Whats up with all of the Mormon videos?

[thesignsoflife7]

You give the 'Book of Mormon' much too much credit.

I spent 26 years being immersed in Elizabethan English. Smith's attempt at mimicking the KJV is a bad joke. It's a linguistic slap in the face, a sorry bastardization of the poetic scriptures, a poor rehash of Biblical themes and concepts, with page after page of repetitive phrases and contrived stories.

Shall I go on?!

Meanwhile all the TBMs can do is goad and mock.

It's sad.

[drowsy4]

Wjy did Joseph Smith join the Methodist Church? Even after his, so called, vision.

[motleycrue24]

@drowsy4 he never joined methodist his mother did but joseph wasent really sure what church was right..then he stumbled over james 1;5....then the vision

[marcopolo8765]

But what we really want to know is. What sin you could not overcome that got you exed or caused you to leave the church and become a dilrod. This is not normal behavior. People that don't believe in something anymore just leave and they dont look back. They don't make a life about spreading lies about it. This is driven by something other than findings claim to have found. I find out things are bad all the time. I don't spend my life fighting with them afterwards. A little looney there

[slu2com]

Marcopolo, good to see you back. It's been about 1 year.

Problem is that you have said all of this before.

Here is the thing about leaving a cult. When the cult has been your whole life for several decades, leaving it and not looking back is not something that most people usually do.

Not just Mormonism, but also other cults like Scientology, and others... Lots of detractors deal with their pain by talking about their experiences with others.

[marcopolo8765]

So how many more years do you think it will take before the pain is gone? I really do wish I could help you with that pain. But it would seem that most times "detractors" have no wish to deal with it in any other way than to spread more of it. Misery loves company sort of thing. Does it have to be that hard? Ever considered counciling? Do you see this behavior as healthy or working for you yet? What is it gonna take before the pain is gone? Hinckley dieing. Did you get satifaction then?

[slu2com]

marcopolo8765 says:

"So how many more years do you think it will take before the pain is gone?"

I say: Marco, you're the one digging up bones here. The last response before yours on this video was 4 months ago. The last time I uploaded a video to this account was longer than that ago. It's been a real long time since I've had much to say about Mormonism. It's weird, and sometimes painful. But after one has left the church for about 10 years, it gets kinda boring. I've moved on.

[208crew]

I was born and raied Catholic and not once have I heard, or have I said "My church is true" That is a bold statement. I live in Idaho, I know a fair amount about Mormons. I agree that Catholics and Mormons have some things in common. Catholicism was the first Christian religion, so why do people put it in a diffrent category? There is so much discrimination towards anything other then Mormonism here.

[moparmonster1965]

I grew up strict Roman Catholic and while I'm fond of its imagery and symbolism, I find it has no authority for anything it claims, exactly like Mormonism.

[MrNirom]

And there are how many different variants of religions from the one Bible? Who is right? The Mennonites.. or the Baptist. Obviously not the Catholics right.. yet they believe in the Bible only. Then GiftoAll says that Jesus is the Rock.. yet in the bible.. Jesus never calls himself the Rock.. he calls Peter the Rock. If Christ tells us to pray to his father and our Father.. then who is Christ to us? our sister? our cousin? What? One Bible and 1000's of different beliefs.. whew!

[Rockwellthe2ND]

Many other religions claim theres is the only way. As a Mormon I have been told many many times I am not saved and yet Mormons believe any Muslims, Hindus ect are not going to hell but Mormons are, according to many evangelicals. Also, "Christains are not divided" This is ludicrous. I have lived in the south and you even made a statement that the Catholics are like Mormons. No one on earth has authority to say weather Mormons are saved. I know that this Church is true and that God answers sincer

[holidays61397]

Hey Nimrod...do you believe the Bible is God's inerrant Word? Yes or no?

[GiftoAll]

Hi Slu, thanks for the video you sent. I see that Nirom is still apologizing daily. With that, lets bring up LDS ideas of who or what is the rock? It's Jesus not revelation. And who is Jesus? Here's what Isaiah 9: 6 says.

For unto Us a Child is born, unto Us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

So, Mrnirom, Jesus is not our older spirit brother.

[MrNirom]

And from the time the Apostles were killed.. revelation ceased for the next 1800 years leaving man all alone. And allowing all sorts of Gospels to be worshiped. Many false prophets arrised. Then the Lord did call a 14 year boy to be his messenger in these last days. At age 17.. heavenly messengers taught him. By age 25, many of the old prophets and apostles had visited him and restored the Gospel to the earth.  The restoration was foretold and it came to pass before the 2nd coming of Christ.

[slu2com]

"And from the time the Apostles were killed.. revelation ceased for the next 1800 years"

Incorrect, and it would do you much good to see my video on "Historical Christianity" It was one of the first videos that I did on YouTube. 

The Catholics and the Mormons are the ones in most doctrinal error, and the 1st church continued through Montanus, all the way through to now via the Mennonites and even Baptists.

I cited the encyclopedia sources that I used to illustrate the lineage Check it

[MrNirom]

If you cited the encyclopedia for the lineage.. then the entire world should be in the same wagon train with you.. right? We should all be there. Well.. I guess it doesn't work that way. Darn it anyway.

[MrNirom]

Yet their interpretation, and additional doctrines are un-Biblical.

Where in the Bible does it say revelation is dead? If it was not for revelation.. you wouldn't have the writings you have now. Revelation has always been needed so that man understands what it is that God wants. Prior to 1830.. man was left on his own without Revelation and had one Bible.. and how many Gospels came out of that one Bible? Well.. Catholics, Baptist, Evangelical, Methodist, Prest.. etc. Which "Gospel"???

[MrNirom]

Christ told Peter he would build his Church on this rock.. the rock of Revelation.. which is what Peter received from our Father in Heaven regarding who Jesus was. Without that revelation.. no man would know that Jesus was the Christ. The gates of Hell can not prevail against Revelation from God. And a church without revelation from God.. Hell can prevail against it. Becasue man no longer knows what God wants.

[slu2com]

SLU2: Yet their interpretation, and additional doctrines are un-Biblical.

MrNirom: Where in the Bible does it say revelation is dead?

SLU2: Absolutely no idea what you are talking about? Unless you mean the scriptures in the Bible such as is in the last book that say to add nothing to it.

But I believe God gives revelations still. Still talks to people. Has spoken to me.

But I do not think that he gives contridictory or un-Biblical relevant revelations. Like in the LDS.

[randy109]

Religion is what is left after God has left the building...

[slu2com]

Exactly! Right on!

[GeneralHospitalNS]

one thing i tell you i dont like people named mr nirom a satan worshiper i am against satan worshiper in fact i delcared on you guys today in fact if i meet a satan worshiper and says hail satan in front of me i well beat the living day lights out of him.

[MrNirom]

Religion is nothing more than a "congregation" of believers. The "Christians" became a religion. It was a different belief than what the Jews believed, or what the majority of the Greeks or Romans worshiped.

So your opposition to a "religion" is your association with those that believe that certain doctrines are correct or not?

So tell me.. when you worship on Sunday.. where do you go?

[slu2com]

" "If you believe that.. why are you not a member?"

I have a relationship with God. Religion is like the Pharisees and Sagisees, a bureaucracy, a machine.

When Christ came, he set up a church not a religion. He wasn't going around asking for tithes, building church buildings/temples/meeting houses.

Christ's church is much more organic. Much more of a relationship than a religion.

I congregate with believers, not with religions.

[MrNirom]

And so where did the members of the "original" church go? You know.. the Apostles and such? Where did it go? If it was not for the Catholic Church.. you would not even have a bible to be reading. The bible you read came out of the reformation of Martin Luther. The Bible that you read is much different than the Catholic Bible. Somebody made a decision at sometime not to "include" the scripture they had into the new scriptures. The "new" bible set them apart from the Catholics.

[slu2com]

"And so where did the members of the "original" church go? "

I thought that you watched my video on "Historical Christianity". Please refer to the second page of my video list.

Thanks.

[MrNirom]

If all men believed the same doctrine.. there would be no need for "religion" would there?

But to be able to identify to others what is that you believe, you have to call yourself something so others will know what you believe. That is religion. Your "religion" is identified as non-denominational. In the old days.. that was called being "unchurched".

I find it funny that you mention that there were no church buildings/temples/meeting houses being built. Did they need them at that time?

[slu2com]

"I find it funny that you mention that there were no church buildings/temples/meeting houses being built. Did they need them at that time?"

No more than now.

[MrNirom]

Wow.. you are just now making a comment to something I posted 3 months ago?

LOL

[slu2com]

Believe it or not, the world doesn't revolved around you, and neither does my time.

Yeah, it took me three months to get to you. I put you at the very bottom of my list of things to do. Blah!

[slu2com]

What's also noticeable is how quick you were to respond, yet as usual you had nothing to add to the conversation. =(

[MrNirom]

Yea.. I responded quickly because I happened to be on line at the time you posted.

In the letter to the Galatians.. Gal 1:6-12 Paul was writing to the Galatians.. not the entire world. You can't use the remarks he made to them and apply it where ever you want it. That is taking the scripture out of context. He was specifically addressing them concerning what was happening there in Galatia. This is how people pervert the Gospel and writings of the Bible.

[slu2com]

" Gal 1:6-12 Paul was writing to the Galatians"

The context is, that there were self professed Christians who were changing the gospel in little ways, and thus perverting scriptures. Paul said if ANYONE brings you any other gospel that what we have given you (the church), let them be accursed.

Mormonism uses some of the same words and lingo, and scriptures. Yet their interpretation, and additional doctrines are un-Biblical. Galations 1:6-8 applies to the LDS doctrine.

[MrNirom]

It is man who determines the "religion" and is based on specific beliefs.

But the Lord did require A tithing, only they practiced a higher form of the law called the United Order. I am surprised you missed that in the new testament.

Remember the story of the husband and wife in Acts Chapter 5? They were giving their money on what they sold their property for to the Apostles, and then died because they cheated.

If you missed the United Order scripture just go to Chapter 4:32-37.

[MrNirom]

Yes.. Christ did set up a Church.

Luke 11:49 49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles....

1 Cor. 12:28 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles•, secondarily prophets•, thirdly teachers•, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments•, diversities of tongues.

Eph. 4: 11 11 And he gave• some, apostles•; and some, prophets•; and some, evangelists•; and some, pastors• and teachers•;

[MrNirom]

So tell me.. You left the LDS church and decided to attach yourself to none.. that's fine.

What I don't understand.. is you say that LDS, Catholics and other teach false doctrine.

Pray tell which one teaches the true doctrine?

And by doctrine.. I mean that anyone who would belong.. who think the same way about everything.

Please point that "religion" out to me. You know my next question would be.. "If you believe that.. why are you not a member?"

[slu2com]

" "If you believe that.. why are you not a member?"

I have a relationship with God. Religion is like the Pharisees and Sagisees, a bureaucracy, a machine.

When Christ came, he set up a church not a religion. He wasn't going around asking for tithes, building church buildings/temples/meeting houses.

Christ's church is much more organic. Much more of a relationship than a religion.

I congregate with believers, not with religions.

[MrNirom]

Ok.. here is this.

[MrNirom]

I love Jesus.. you love Jesus.. and millions of people love Jesus.. but we do not share the belief in him. We do not share the same interpertation of what he said. We do not share the same understanding.

Yes.. he wanted people to follow him. But the right way. What you call the body of Christ is not the same as the mind of Christ. You have to follow where both go. United in the body is not united in the mind.

To be truely united,it would be one Lord, one faith, one baptism. Eph 4:5

[slu2com]

I agree that there are some religions teaching false doctrine. Such as the LDS church, the Catholic church and a hand full of others.

However, in the NT there were at least 7 churches that Paul taught that all had different traditions, and yet they were all a part of the body of Christ.

Same with in the Book of Revelations. Same thing, 7 churches...

Christ is unity. If you choose to not be a part of the body of Christ, and if the LDS church decides the same. That is between you.

[MrNirom]

The 7 churches were all of the same faith. They were converts to Christianity. Of course they had different traditions.. some were Jewish, and others were Gentile. Some had believed in Greek Gods.. others in Roman. So their backgrounds were different.. and that became the problem he was writing about. To let traditions go.. and follow the new. To become new.

You believe the LDS teach false doctrines.. I don't. I feel you do.

We are still brothers and sisters and God is our Father.

[MrNirom]

We are still of the family of God. And what the Lord had in mind was the perfecting of the saints. To all have one mind, to be ONE in Christ as he is ONE in the Father and the Father is ONE in him. All of the same understanding. Not to worship the same God in millions of different ways.. but one way. That is the unity that is talked about.

Paul had a very difficult time with the Jews. Before they would convert a gentile to Christ they would first convert him to Judaism. NO he would say.

[MrNirom]

Christianity is not divided?

Wow.. what a statement.

Baptism.. yes or no?

Baptism by immersion or sprinkle or not needed?

Saved by Grace? by works? or both?

God, Jesus, HG... 1 person? 3 Persons? 3 persons/One God?

You can just watch the "Christian" tv channels and see the differences in what they teach. Who do you believe? You can't say.. the bible is my guide, becasue the bible is their guide too.

There needs to be someone guiding man. Prophets guide men.

[slu2com]

"Christianity is not divided?"

When I say true Christianity is united. I speak of the Body of Christ.

Paul said "As the body is one, it has many members"..

The true fellowship of God is with other parts of the body.

True disciples do not let traditions get in the way of having fellowship.

For example at creationfest ./org you will say an annual gathering of 50,000 Christians where hundreds of different churches (and differnt faiths) gather and worship together.

[paintvp]

Hi Slu. I believe the church to be kind, moral and helpfull to the community. Since they have a description of God that is different than the Bible are they going to end up in trouble? I know most Christians would say yes. There is the saving grace of Christ. Many near death episodes tell of physical torture, fire. Next, love and peace enters the scene. They have gone from the pit into paradise. Is this grace available at death? At that point they realize who Jesus really is. The true God!

[TheHeroic]

So much to fullfill, to hang up our lives on. For what. To be more glorified in ourselves or significant in the name of Jesus. why take a detour when there is "pardon".

I'd say systems ask for requirements while God asks for nothing but your will. I turn to Jesus not Joseph Smith.

[clownay]

Why did you leave the church?

[Jarkko1983]

Joseph smith's family had just joined their churches too, so there was no walking away from the faith of the fathers in their case. sorry but you should have learned the lds history and theology before believeing the anti friends. Clearly you don't While I do, and I will be posting videos about most of these topics you think you know something, apostasy wil be there too backed with bible and history aswell, so stay tuned for those videos, cause u can't refute them with any evidence.

[utahpirateradio]

"Joseph smith's family had just joined their churches too, so there was no walking away from the faith of the fathers in their case. "

Actually, Joseph Smith's parents and kin were rooted in their faith before Joseph Smith ever conceived his own faith. You are clearly wrong. Joseph Smith had even joined the church of his father, which is the Methodist church (despite what LDS apologists incorrect state to the contrary).

If you weren't subscribed to a white-washed version you would know

[john813what]

I left the church after my mission. I was working for Deseret Book at the time. I read myself out of the Church in Deseret Book. The glossy history that the Church has taught since correlation is not the exact history. Much has been changed. FARMS and FAIR have done a decent job of re-sanitizing the history but a lot has been damaged. The Church has been losing members for many years now. It is a true crisis (damn internet). What offends me is that this guy left the church to be born again.

[Jarkko1983]

I think this guy never knew the lds theology otherwise he wouldn't have left, he gives in this video a list of changes that aren't even true, or might have parts of true things in wrong context. Doctrines the bom teaches that aren't in the bible is first that why bad things happen to good people, bible never answers this anywhere. plus early christians had the similiar temple ceremony untill 400 ad, yes with some masonic similiarities, so smith restored truth again as proved before.

[utahpirateradio]

"he gives in this video a list of changes that aren't even true,"

I challenge you to prove your assertion here. I also accuse you plainly of bearing false witness. Prove me wrong, or I uphold my statement about your deceitfulness.

[rpmess]

Oh no no no no....EXCUSE ME??? OK I understood Mormon Theology perfectly well and THAT is the reason I chose to denounce the religion.

[slbrail87]

good stuff. i can totally relate to this video, too.

[behindzioncurtaincom]

"I surely know that if I was making videos opposing Catholics or Muslims it def wouldn't be cause I am being influenced by good, it would obvious be evil."

It is interesting how many Mormons will use this guilt trip against others, while ignoring the fact that most of Joseph Smith's career as prophet, seer, revealator and president, he spoke out venomously against other faith on a regular basis. In fact, it was his distain for other religions that started the LDS faith.

[WordsAndWisdom]

Who do you think is the influence behind your passion to speak against a particular faith.

I surely know that if I was making videos opposing Catholics or Muslims it def wouldn't be cause I am being influenced by good, it would obvious be evil.

The spirit of contention is of the devil, not of God.

So at least your aware and someone told ya.

Peace man.

[GorillaSaint]

completely reject the apostacy "theory"

why is that may i ask?

[behindzioncurtaincom]

Because the "apostacy theory" purposed by the LDS is that God's authority completely left the earth for a time.

I reject it based on several things. You can watch my video called "Historical Christiantiy" to get a larger view of what I believe in the topic.

But 1 reason I completely reject the LDS "complete apostacy" theory is Matthew 16:18.

The second, is the priesthood topic. I've made several videos on that topic.

[GorillaSaint]

matt 16:18...annnnnd?

(2 tim. 4:3-4)

(amos 8:11-12)

matthew 16:18 is simply EISEGESIS

i,of course have used only two references but its all over the place within the bible,its just a topic that would have to take alot of time.But just to pick out,theres the Paul's vision in 2 timothy:3-4 of course,2 thessalonians 2:1-4 2, tim. 3:1-5....

[slu2com]

A few months ago I made a video called "Historical Christianity".

If you search for that term "Historical Christianity" in YouTube, you'll find my video.

This arguement is very deep obviously, only because some people have been led astray to beleive in this falacy of a "total apostasy".

But if you look at Jesus' words, and realize who truly has the priesthood (alone), and who is truly our mediator between God. You will see the total apostasy is impossible.

[slu2com]

Oh, and here is a video for you:

youtube. com/watch?v=MIMzDUtG7HU&featur­e=related

[GorillaSaint]

i can see a member got cought up in mormon critic material,and let satan do the rest.I must say,it is to some extent humorous.

[slu2com]

"i can see a member got cought up in mormon critic material,and let satan do the rest.I must say,it is to some extent humorous"

I can see a Mormon with their blinders on. Not humorous.

[slbrail87]

so, as a supposed "christian", you find it HUMOROUS that a person was led away from the "truth" by satan? That's pretty sick and pretty unchristian if you ask me.

[rpmess]

Ok so becasue a person uses their brain to make an educated decision about an ideal or doctrine and decide to against it comes from Satan??? And "Unchristian" HUH???

[GorillaSaint]

no no dont worry i saw that,nothing really that i havnt heard or stikes me in any way

but your right i reject "total apostocy" too

it wasnt a total apostasy,it was a great apostasy.Now i know theres alot to get into,but just think,even if you dont believe in apostasy,just look at the list of different churches and reformation everywhere with almost or merely obviously different message and teachings.If christs only church carried through,it would be here today.

[slu2com]

"but your right i reject "total apostocy" too"

Cool. Because most LDS believe in this "complete apostasy" or "total apostasy". Here is a reference.

B.H. Roberts, an LDS Seventy and LDS Church historian, in his introduction to the History of the Church, stated that the LDS Church is founded upon this very premise. He wrote, "Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (vol. 1:XL).

[GorillaSaint]

thats your reasoning,a single quote to pronounce as VIEW.Yes to say "complete"is a little overbarring but fact is,there was an apostasy,and not the first.I have the chart of all the known apostles of christ of when they were killed off and how.Maybe he meant complete as in,whats truth without its fullness but idk dont take that from me,haha.Anyway,questions just ask

thanks

[slu2com]

A single quote? You obviously didn't listen to my video. That was just one more supporting quote to the idea.

As for the apostasy. Absolutely, there has always been a falling away.

It is no less evident in the LDS faith. During Joseph Smith's presidency many of his close associates, including all 3 of the "witnesses" and scribes left his religion.

After Joseph Smith died, his wife son, and many hand picked apostles and leaders broke from Brigham Young and went their own way. ETC

[slu2com]

Now there is between 100-200 disagreeing Mormon sects.. Apostasy is very obvious even in the so-called "restored church".

But a COMPLETE APOSTASY?? Hogwash!

[GorillaSaint]

see many critics will present something such as this and hope that well forget our testimony and leave the church.these documents and events have been well known to church historians for many years. Furthermore, there are many experts on church history that are fully aware, faithful, actively attending church members. There are no facts that unarguably disprove the authenticity of the church. As always it comes down to faith and a personal witness between an individual and the Lord.

[slu2com]

"see many critics will present something such as this and hope that well forget our testimony and leave the church."

You give yourself too much credit. Im not just a critic, but also a former member. I myself am a 5th generation Mormon.

Here is my motive. To not only inform Mormons of my experience, but to encourage other investigators to look deeper than the missionaries discussions, and take a look at Mormonism from an opposing point of view. It would be silly to just get one side.

[oakfire12]

slu2com, im a non american LDS member and i must say out of all the anti-mormon crap thats on the internet u at least arnt rude about it which is why i have spent the time listening to some of ur videos.

some of the points u make are insteresting and while it doesnt change my beliefs i do enjoy listening and the challenge of the antimormon. im going to prepare alittle and get back to u on some of the points u made here.

[behindzioncurtaincom]

Thank you, I look forward to your responses. Thanks for the respectful reply.

[jordysoccer]

what does christ mean in jhn 10:16 when he says he has sheep not of this fold and they should hear my words?

[behindzioncurtaincom]

"what does christ mean in jhn 10:16 when he says he has sheep not of this fold and they should hear my words?"

Who did Christ come and bring His ministry too?

The Jews..  Right?

Paul brought the Word to the Gentiles.

[jordysoccer]

shall we read on? "Them also I must bring, and they shall hear MY voice and there should be one fold and ONE shepherd."

[behindzioncurtaincom]

"shall we read on? "Them also I must bring, and they shall hear MY voice and there should be one fold and ONE shepherd."

And Paul DID hear Christ's voice.

[behindzioncurtaincom]

shall we read on? "Them also I must bring, and they shall hear MY voice and there should be one fold and ONE shepherd."

Paul DID hear Christ's voice, and united the Jews and the Gentiles unto on fold, and ONE shepherd.  I think it was 1 Corinthians 1 that Paul emphasized that there is only 1 Shepherd.

[behindzioncurtaincom]

If you are saying that the ENTIRE fold should hear Christs voice personally, then I guess we have an entirely different issue. Because I don't think that individual LDS person hears Christ's voice any more or less than the average Christian does.

[jordysoccer]

all im saying is that Christ said they shall hear his voice. not every single person but a people as a whole. And he didn't say Paul's voice. So he must have been referring to his dealings in america. I also never said anything about an LDS person hearing Christ's voice any more than others, thats just totally off the subject, or your confused with our discussion. And i cant help you with that.

[slu2com]

Right and all I am saying is that there were two groups. The Jews and the Gentiles.

Christ brought the message to the Jews first, and then to the Gentiles.

Whats wrong with Christ letting Paul hear his voice? Is that no different than letting Joseph Smith hear his voice?

Jesus hasn't let every person of the "fold" you speak about hear his voice. That is a rediculas notion.

[jordysoccer]

im saying the people will hear Christs voice not pauls voice. and i just said not everyone in the fold will hear it. you should probably actually read my post before you criticizing it.

[AdroneNoMore]

That was interesting. Thanks for posting it.

I am not surprised at the email you received, it is the typical way of thinking in the lds church. It's pretty much just a few million members all sharing one brain.

[slu2com]

Thanks for the comment BTW, and I subscribed to your videos. Great testimony of your conversion!

[MistyAnn0414]

Thank you for your comment and subscribing to my videos.:)

[slu2com]

I enjoyed your testimony, thanks for sharing!

[MistyAnn0414]

The email you received is the typical mindset of the LDS people. If you're not for them, you're against them. I hope and pray that though your videos you are able to reach others who are questioning the LDS church, and they will be lead to the REAL Jesus.