You obviously only listened to the 1st 20 secs. of Gaucho or have a tin ear. Yes, the sax head on Gaucho ... stylistic ripoff --hits some key notes --captures herky jerky feel of Jarret's head. But, to say "Gaucho" rips off Jarret is beyond ridiculous -cretinous, really. Once the voc. melody enters (you know the part of the song that actually IS the song?) there is the faintest relation to Jarret's composition (merely, the metrical fragmentation). Think Brahms 1st to Beethoven's 9th --dig?
It's amazing to me that KJ sued SD and won. Sure there's a similarity between this song and the groove that SD sets up at the beginning of Gaucho. But the chords in the turn-around, verse and chorus of the SD song are totally (and beautifully) original.
I was kind of upset about the lawsuit, seeing at how "original" music is nowadays, but after hearing the Album version, I have no real opinion on the matter..
Don and Walt OBVIOUSLY where influenced by this song, using the melody and solo bits, but the syncopation is straight Gaucho! Gaucho does have more changes and a different format too.
Do you think it was a further crafting, a tribute, or a remix?
To hear Jarret's original, just search the song title in Google video.
I've come across this tune the same way most people have, I think. Obviously there's a striking similarity, however this is blues-y jazz, and given the same 'striking similarities' between so many, many, many blues records KJ probably shouldn't have kicked up such a fuss.
Musician Mag 1980: MM: Have you ever listened to that up against 'Gaucho' ? BECKER: No. MM: I'm not casting any aspersions..it's pretty interesting... BECKER: Parenthetically it is, yeah (uneasy laughter). MM: Off the record? FAGEN: Off the record, we were heavily influenced by that particular piece of music. BECKER: I love it. MM: We were talking about borrowing... FAGEN: H***, we steal. We're the robber barons of rock 'n' roll. Run a google search for David Breskin's interview of Steely Dan.
actually Long As You Know... came BEFORE Gaucho, and Donald Fagan was so "inspired" by the tune that basically he ripped if off and then came Gaucho - same groove, same key and a lot of the same licks. This pissed Keith Jarrett off and he sued Steely Dan for copyright infringement - and WON! Jarrett now has co-composer credit for Gaucho!
There are lots of songs in the same groove and key and Gaucho sure has them with the Jarret track. Now actually SING Gaucho up against this and see where you end up!!!! If Jarret can win for this, the game is up for many, many others. Trust me, there are MUCH WORSE culprits in music walking around scott free.
You obviously only listened to the 1st 20 secs. of Gaucho or have a tin ear. Yes, the sax head on Gaucho ... stylistic ripoff --hits some key notes --captures herky jerky feel of Jarret's head. But, to say "Gaucho" rips off Jarret is beyond ridiculous -cretinous, really. Once the voc. melody enters (you know the part of the song that actually IS the song?) there is the faintest relation to Jarret's composition (merely, the metrical fragmentation). Think Brahms 1st to Beethoven's 9th --dig?
dobbsgeorge 1 year ago
It's amazing to me that KJ sued SD and won. Sure there's a similarity between this song and the groove that SD sets up at the beginning of Gaucho. But the chords in the turn-around, verse and chorus of the SD song are totally (and beautifully) original.
gnukev 2 years ago
I was kind of upset about the lawsuit, seeing at how "original" music is nowadays, but after hearing the Album version, I have no real opinion on the matter..
Don and Walt OBVIOUSLY where influenced by this song, using the melody and solo bits, but the syncopation is straight Gaucho! Gaucho does have more changes and a different format too.
Do you think it was a further crafting, a tribute, or a remix?
To hear Jarret's original, just search the song title in Google video.
BJtheBassist 2 years ago
I've come across this tune the same way most people have, I think. Obviously there's a striking similarity, however this is blues-y jazz, and given the same 'striking similarities' between so many, many, many blues records KJ probably shouldn't have kicked up such a fuss.
The chorus is the best part of Gaucho, anyway :)
zebpedersen 2 years ago 2
the sax break in the middle sounds more like Aja - that might be another $1m
richmilton 2 years ago
fair game - the tune's a banger. i'm not fussed one way or the other. stely dan are awesome. keith jarrett is too, obvilously. its all good
peace
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madalpeters 2 years ago
i love this tune. it's so easy to get into.
anacardian 3 years ago
Musician Mag 1980: MM: Have you ever listened to that up against 'Gaucho' ? BECKER: No. MM: I'm not casting any aspersions..it's pretty interesting... BECKER: Parenthetically it is, yeah (uneasy laughter). MM: Off the record? FAGEN: Off the record, we were heavily influenced by that particular piece of music. BECKER: I love it. MM: We were talking about borrowing... FAGEN: H***, we steal. We're the robber barons of rock 'n' roll. Run a google search for David Breskin's interview of Steely Dan.
hamdemon99 3 years ago 3
This totally rips off Gaucho :)
habyss 3 years ago
actually Long As You Know... came BEFORE Gaucho, and Donald Fagan was so "inspired" by the tune that basically he ripped if off and then came Gaucho - same groove, same key and a lot of the same licks. This pissed Keith Jarrett off and he sued Steely Dan for copyright infringement - and WON! Jarrett now has co-composer credit for Gaucho!
milesosland 3 years ago
I knew that. I was being sarcastic.
habyss 3 years ago
I see you don't know much about Fagen and Becker milesosland.
MilesTaiIsPrower 2 years ago
There are lots of songs in the same groove and key and Gaucho sure has them with the Jarret track. Now actually SING Gaucho up against this and see where you end up!!!! If Jarret can win for this, the game is up for many, many others. Trust me, there are MUCH WORSE culprits in music walking around scott free.
candelise 2 years ago