@antsman88 You smarks are the only sham. McMahon has offered to put Sammartino in the Hall Of Fame many times and tried to make up with him (Jim Ross and many others have publicly said this), but Bruno enjoys being old and bitter, so he refuses to go in the Hall Of Fame or have anything to do with McMahon. Jake Roberts is an over glorified mid carder who is a drunken drug abuser who is always in trouble with the law and near death. Good luck getting him sober to be at the ceremony.
@MRobert21 No, he's just refused to go to the ceremony. They can (and should if it can ever be considered legitimate) still do the right thing and just induct him. As for your point about Robert's drug problems? Well Piper seems to spend half his time high, Steve Austin is a wife beater and Jimmy Snuka alledgedly killed his girlfriend they still put them in. My point is Roberts should be in because of what he was, not what he has become. Although it would be funny sto see him accept it drunk!
@antsman88 You further prove your incredible ignorance. Sammartino HIMSELF has publicly said he wants NOTHING to do with McMahon or his hall of Fame. You smarks ignore how business works and have no clue how halls of fame work. If McMahon put Sammartino in his hall of fame without Sammartino's consent (why McMahon would want to do that for somebody who bashes him non stop is beyond me), then Sammartino could and would sue McMahon for using his name and image without his permission.
@antsman88 Oh no, the Snuka killed his girlfriend LIE you smarks have no shred of proof to back up. Also, the Austin beat his third wife LIE (though his first 2 wives NEVER said he touched them) just because he plead no contest to civil disturbance when Debra was beating on him once. Of course, you can PROVE Piper (who has a solid family and career) is high half the time. PROVE Piper showed up for ANY public appearance he has ever made while high (as Roberts always does) or SHUT UP
@MRobert21 Hey I'm only stating the the words that are there (nb. i said ALLEDGEDLY). Sammartino's already featured on the WWF tagged classics and their stupid top 50 superstars dvd and he hasn't sued them for that. Calm down a bit man, I'm sorry I didn't realise i was offending you so much. Its a fake hall of fame anyway lol
@antsman88 You goof, McMahon owns all rights to Sammartino's old WWF footage, so there is nothing Sammartino can do to stop McMahon from using it any way McMahon wants to. Sammartino was under contract to McMahon when that footage was taken, unlike now, so McMahon can use that footage as he sees fit. By the way, the Tagged Classics are NOT produced by McMahon (Silvervision produces them), hence why they are still labeled as WWF, so McMahon has nothing to do with making thiose.
@antsman88 EVERY person who goes into the Hall Of Fame has to sign a contract with McMahon allowing him to use their name, image, and trademarks on the hall of fame broadcast and forever after that in connection with the hall of fame. Sammartino (along with others like Warrior and Honky Tonk Man) REFUSE to do that, so they CAN NOT be put in the Hall Of Fame. I see you are a 24 year old punk (meaning you NEVER even saw crappy Sammartino), so you have no clue how law and business works
@MRobert21 Hey I'm not one of these who rides on sammartino's dick thinking he was great in the ring. I'm fully aware he wasnt technically great or whatever, my arguement is purely that he built their reputaion in MSG and as such they should acknowledge it.
@antsman88 I apologize for having a low tolerance for stupidity, but you reached my threshold with your nonsense. Here is my last reply to you on this video here as you rate no further time nor effort. The only reason Bruno Sammartino was champion for so long was because he would take half of every year off. When he was gone, Strongbow, Morales, and plenty of others drew just as well as Bruno did. Bruno was crap in the ring and on commentary. Bruno even hated Vince Senior too.
@MRobert21 And I apologise to you for not seeing eye to eye with you. You do seem to have missed my whole point, but nevermind. I have taken your points into consideration. Now please excuse me, you've reached MY threshold of people who take these comments WAAAAAY to seriously. I'm off to get laid. Have a nice day. xxx
@MRobert21 and if you wouldn't mind leaving the personal shots your taking - i was under the impression we could have a converstaion without resorting to personal comments.
@MRobert21 ha, you have got to admit Bruno's reasons for objecting to going in the hall of fame are ridiculous - the whole payment thing for the legends vs the purse celebrities get and his idea that its all about sex and violence etc now.
@antsman88 Bruno Sammartino is a bitter, old, has been, who is angry the wrestling business passed him by back in the 1980's. Sammartino is mad that Hogan, Austin, Cena, and many others were way bigger stars and draws than he ever was. Sammartino is mad that his no talent son Davey, who he forced in to the business, was a giant flop. Davey and Bruno have not talked in decades and rather than blame each other, they both blame McMahon for the fact they hate each other and Davey stunk.
@hoghash78 Yes, a Hogan / Roberts feud would have been stupid. No, it would not have worked as Hogan, McMahon, and Roberts (who all work in the business unlike you) knew when they started doing it it in 1986 and it got the wrong reaction from the crowd (the proto smark heel fans in the northeast killed it by going into business for themselves). When a face is hot you do not split the crowd and get the face under. Hogan had to stay hot and strong for Wrestlemania 3. Now I am done with you.
fantastic match! Jesse had me cracking up a few times too. Such a shame how Dynamite had to back off wrestling soon after, really talented guy. RIP both legends
@SuperNole26 weird I knew he's still alive (just in really bad shape), was confused why I got your reply but I totally garbled up the end of my comment there... bah :P RIP Savage, both (are) legends
@hoghash78 Hogan versus Dog is a terrible idea. The matches would have stunk because both guys needed to be carried in the ring. Dog was a heel earlier in his career, but was not going to be a heel at that point. Face versus face is even worse. You would pit the black fans against the white fans. You would split the audience for no reason and nobody would get over. WWF kept Jake Roberts from a long feud with Hogan in 1986 because he got better pops as a heel than Hogan did as a face.
@hoghash78 That is okay, you have the right to be wrong and I have the right to point out why you are wrong. Ha, ha, LOL, sure McMahon made a lot of mistakes then, which is why he made a million $ regional business into a billion $ global empire. I love it when the web smarks think they know more than the legends who were there and actually did it. As JAKE ROBERTS HIMSELF has said, you do not split the audience or turn the audience against your cash cow baby face (Hogan) when he is on fire.
@MRobert21 It would have been so great if he did though. Hogan has always IMO been OVERRATED!!!. Even as a kid I never knew why fans liked him. His matches were biring & all the same. Maybe I was a little more attitude era ahead of time, cuz I didn't care whether a guy was face or heel. Bret I liked from day one, Dyno same thing. Rick Rude, Macho Man, Nature Boy in the NWA days. Road Warriors I liked. I could care less whether they were being booed or cheered. I liked what I liked.
@TNO73 I know I was done with you on this video, but I will give you 1 response on this new topic. I am NOT a huge Hogan fan and never was, but he is NOT over rated as he is the biggest star in the history of professional wrestling (everyone in the business says that). Hogan had terrific charisma, look, promos, and matches (with Savage, Orndorff, Warrior, Andre, and many others). Keeping Hogan strong was smart business (until 1990) as Hogan, McMahon, Roberts, and the whole company knew.
@MRobert21 I'll agree he was the biggest thing, but I never understood why. I thought he horrible in the ring & promo wise I would have rather listened to the likes of Flair, Savage & especially Roberts. Even his look never did anything for me. I will admit that their was a brief time that I enjoyed The Warrior (his music used to do it for me I think) The Road Warriors had a great look & while they were limited in the ring too. Hogan...in peril, hulks up, finger, big boot leg drop. SNOREFEST!!!
@MRobert21 Also to an extent I think it had a lot to do with the timing & the exposure Vince got with TV. If Flair had been in the WWF when they went national I think with his promos, charisma, & infinatley better in ring work the WWF would have been able to take off inthe same way without Hogan. If you add the Four Horsemen into the mix...WOW. The were heels that totally got over well before the whole attitude era. So for that reason I think Hogan is overrated.
@TNO73 As this is a slightly different topic I will give you 1 comment only on it. Flair was in WWF off and on from the late 1970's and NEVER drew anything there. Flair in WWF from 1991-1993 was a major flop as was his last senior citizen run there. WWF was ALWAYS a face centered company unlike all the other territories, which went broke. Hogan had huge mainstream exposure from his first WWF run, Rocky 3, and then the AWA, which made him big before McMahon made him super big, unlike Flair.
@MRobert21 Superstar BIlly Graham was a heel champ in the late 70's. His title reign was the better part of a year.Over 9 months. I don't ever recall Flair being in the WWF in the late 70's or early 80's. I remember the early 90's, but come on now EVERYONE knows they dropped the ball with what should have easily been the main event at Wrestlemania. A Flair/Hogan match. We have a difference of opinions. I feel Flair & the Horsemen could have been what Stone Cold did for the biz.
@TNO73 Your ignorance keeps dragging me back. Bruno Sammartino (an 8 year AND a 4 year title reign), Pedro Morales (2 year title reign), Bob Backlund (4 year title reign), Hulk Hogan (a 4 year AND a 1 year title reign), Randy Savage (1 year title reign), and Ultimate Warrior (1 year title reign) were all long term FACE champions in a FACE dominated company McMahon Senior started and McMahon Junior continued because FACES draw $ (not heels) in wrestling and have more longevity before fans tire.
@MRobert21 I also LOVE that you always say you are done here. Why are you on here if you hate Dynamite so much & think he is overrated? I'll tell you why you are a T-R-O-L-L! You have some great knowledge, but also you have no idea how to respect others opinions. I have decided to stop feeding you. Dyno WAS AMAZING!!! I think Bret Hart is a top 5 guy all time & he thinks Dynamite Kid was teh best lbs for lbs. of all time. Who am I to disagree with the best there is,was, & ever will be? You Lose!
@TNO73 Some Flair mark you are as you obviously did not buy the Ultimate Ric Flair Collection, which has Flair's first (extremely boring and not over) match from the WWF in the 1970's against jobber Pete Sanchez (I got it despite not loving Flair). Flair periodically appeared in the WWF and AWA in the 1970's and 1980's and never drew $ in either company (unlike Hogan). Flair was not even a draw in all the NWA territories as he could not produce anything in Portland or Kansas City as examples.
@TNO73 Flair and the 4 Horsemen were the exact same as the NWO and killed WCW the same way. WCW had great faces (Magnum, Sting, Nikita, Luger, Windham, Rock And Roll Express, etc.) and the Horsemen buried them (with help from booker Dusty who kept himself as top face despite not drawing) until WCW stopped drawing in 1988 and was sold off (see NWO in 1998). Horsemen drew some (never up north or out west though) from 1985-1987 and then ceased to draw at all (yet they kept getting revived to suck)
@MRobert21 with the various incarnations sure some did suck. but Flair,Blanchard, AA & Windham were good. Certain guys that were in the horsemen were great, so having the best 4 of them together would work. But to say they were like the NWO is wrong. WCW did try to revive them for the wrong reasons. Ask most wrestlers & they'll tell you say the 4H were great. To say they buried people is also wrong. The got great heat. cheating to win. "injuring" guys. they could instantly make a feud.
@MRobert21 ..well nwo was proven alot better than the 4 horsemen...nwo made wcw a serious threat to wwf ..the 4 horsemen didnt do that...and i think what killed wcw was russos lame storylines ...tna got rid of russo as head writer look how fun is turning now
@TheBestEVER4LIFE You are really WRONG about everything and do not know what you are talking about. WCW was NOTHING as a promotion until they brought in the top star from San Antonio (Tully) and the top stars from Georgia (the Andersons) to put with their top star (Flair) to form the first heel super group ever. WCW first went national and competed against the WWF because of the Horsemen. NWO was recycled WWF guys who stopped being over once they were forced to admit they were no longer WWF.
@TheBestEVER4LIFE Enough of the Russo killed WCW stupidity. Bischoff was the guy who lost $80 million in a single year in 1999, which is why he was fired and Russo was hired. Russo never had any financial control in WCW and worked for WCW for less than a year. Your silly TNA comment shows you know nothing. Russo founded TNA with the Jarretts. Russo is still writing TNA, TNA just changed his job title to Senior Writer to get you smarks that whine about him off their back for a little while.
russo killed wcw with the crappy storylines of the new blood and i understand what he was trying to do..give young guys a chance but you cnt just take out all your veteran main eventers in one shot...also making him and david arquette win world championship was great idea...and him remaking same storylines from wwf 1997 was good ideas too..like when abyss threw blk ooze from ceiling on sting could swear i saw that with kane throwing blood on austin from ceiling..his storylines are too looney
@TheBestEVER4LIFE You do not understand ANYTHING, including how to type or use English properly, so I will own and punk you with 1 last comment on this video here before I ignore you after this. If Russo killed WCW, then how come Hall, Nash, and Hogan were trying to get out of WCW back in 1997? If Russo killed WCW, then how come head WCW writer Kevin Sullivan told Jericho in 1997 WCW was sinking like the Titanic? Why did Jericho, Big Slow, and others leave WCW for less $ before Russo was hired
you telling me you gonna ignore me so why ask so many questions?? lol....are you related to that lousy cartoon wrestling writer vince russo?? i bet you was jumping up and down when vince russo and david arquette won the wcw championships..in 1997 nwo was hot goldberg was hot...if anything what killed wcw was fact to stuck too long with nwo storyline and then tried to fix it by bringing in a writer with good ideas but russo was a huge downgrade watch ric flairs shoot on vince russo...or piper's
Even though I'm into indie and mexico/japan promotions, these two were one of the best old skool wrestlers for me to always enjoy as far as classic old skool matches goes... R.I.P. to macho man and the dynamite!!!
@brianjmal You are a boob and are dead wrong. Quoting wiki here, "The Wrestling Classic was a World Wrestling Federation (WWF) pay-per-view (PPV) event that took place on November 7, 1985." Quoting Wiki again about Wrestlemania 1, "It took place on March 31, 1985, at Madison Square Garden in New York City." March comes BEFORE November every year. Neither the Bulldogs nor Savage were yet in WWF in March, 1985, hence they were not at Wrestlemania 1, but were here and at Wrestlemania 2.
@kinkabala That was a great ending, in my opinion. IThe superplex was a great looking move that popped the crowd and established Savage as a guy who can find a way to win.
Holy crap, this was always a dream match and I always forgot that this match even happened, glad to see it, great quality for such a long time ago, hope u upload more dynamite vid's
I'll take Dynamite in his prime over Michaels anyday. Michaels is looking pretty beat up. He was limping around the IGA, in Port McNeil, Vancouver Island, last April. He was up there on a hunting trip. His wife was wearing camouflage, she is hot.
@TooMuchGass It is funny how the smarks say Vince McMahon's hall of fame is not a big deal and is not the actual hall of fame, yet all they do is piss and moan about who is or is not in the McMahon hall of fame. All the whining and crying by smarks about McMahon's hall of fame (unlike the other anonymous halls of fame nobody knows about, such as the hall of fame in Davey Meltzer's mom's basement) PROVES the McMahon hall of fame is the definitive hall of fame and is a MAJOR deal to everybody.
@MRobert21 Honetsly, I think they are trying to make a consious effort into making the WWE HoF legit with the recent inclusions of territory-era wrestlers, such as Abdullah the Butcher, but personally, I just do what smarks SHOULD be doing: Ignore the WWE HoF and pretend it doesn't exist.
@wittw Stupid (what the s in smark really means) smarks being stupid here, but I give you a little credit for admitting you are a stupid smark. Sure, you and the other smarks ignore McMahon's hall of fame, which is why you piss and moan about it non stop including taking the time to write your dribble comment here. Who cares what you and other cry baby smarks think? Millions of people around the world watch and enjoy the yearly ceremony and soon will enjoy the physical hall of fame too
@wittw Sure, you will ignore me now that I owned and punked you by exposing the silliness of your lame comment. I am still waiting for 1 of you idiot smarks to go up to the Funks, Harley Race, Wendi Richter, or any other McMahon Hall Of Famer (including Drew Carey or Pete Rose) and tell them face to face that McMahon's Hall Of Fame does not matter and they do not deserve to be in it, so they can make you eat through a straw. Now, I will ignore you on this video here after this last laugh
@desecrator1000 The smarks who piss moan about McMahon's Hall Of Fame non stop, yet insanely claim at the same time that they do not care about it and that it does not matter are the nerds in a rage. McMahon's Hall Of Fame matters as much as any major corporation that has a Hall Of Fame for employees. McMahon's Hall Of Fame means as much as any sports or entertainment hall of fame that gets thousands of people to watch its inductions live and millions more watching on television
I remember this tournament. I was so pissed when Savage lost to the Junkyard Dog by a countout. First of all, what a sucky way to lose by CO, but to lose to a jobber like JYD is worse. Savage should have this tourny! DK is a douche and a loser and deservedly has MS or some debilitating disease.
@twainname Oh well, no one told you to read it! It was disappointing, anyway. It should have been Savage instead of that jobber JYD. But they would make it up to us when Savage won the King of the Ring tournament in 1987 and Wrestlemania IV in 1988.
Oh thank you again, I was just watching an old copy of the king of the ring from 1987 and now I know who wins it. SOme people do not remember the outcome so its like they are watching classic wrestling for the first time. Spoilers stink! Well, now that I know Macho man won I cannot...Just kidding I already knew. The Macho push was an awesome time in the WWF. He never became a serious contender again until he moved to WCW which is sad. Remember loose lips sink ships! Peace.
The reason that Bruno isn't is because he feels his son should have been in the position Hulk Hogan was in but Dave couldnt wrestle and he wasnt very good on the mic I know Hogan was low on the wrestling skill he was great on the mic and was marketable in a TV environment Vince has asked Bruno several times to join the WWE HOF but he refused same thing with The Ultimate Warrior and Vince hates Warrior the reason Randy wont be asked is Steph accused him of Rape
Watch Hogan in Japan you will change your mind about his wrestling skill. Hogan's opponents had something to do with the myth of his lack of skill; he mostly wrestled bigger less technical guys (David vs Goliath) or new guys who were there based on image instead of skill. When he fought Macho it was a good match. Hogan vs terry Funk or Bob Backland shows some skill. But like I said in Japan he was allowed to open up and his technical side became more evident.
Who said the Rockers was better than the British Bulldogs? That is bullshit. Dynamite Kid and Bulldog have 5 stars matches against the Hart Foundation and have great matches against each other. HBK is a great wrestler but Dynamite Kid was a overall better wrestler. The reason HBK got the big push is because 90% of HBK's fans wear high heels.
Man that was a LOUD ring...not typical of the WWF in that era if I remember right. The reason why I noticed this is as I re-read Flair's book, he makes mention of how hard Sam Mushnick's ring in St. Louis was and how he and Harley got over by taking big bumps on it. Does anyone have comment on that? Was it a different ring that night or perhaps it was mic'd differently?
2 great wrestlers here in the ring both legends and randy savage imo was and always will be better than hogan in every way dynamite best wrestler who ever lived bret hart is the best story teller and ric flair is a 2 faced son of a bitch
@EvodiusTheophile No match that piece of shit was ever in is awesome. He does not deserve credit for being "awesome" he deserves credit for being a coward.
Dynamite Kid is by far the greatest wrestler of all time... Shame what's happened to him. Everyone should be forced to send him lots of cash and get his Sky turned back on!!!
Why should people have to send Tom Billington tons of cash when he made a fortune from wrestling and squandered it on drugs and paying off the wives he used to beat up? Dynamite Kid was good in the ring (not the greatest ever), but he was a real life ass and bully who is now getting exactly what he deserves. I do not do sympathy for people who bring therir bad fortune on themselves and who are notorious for treating others like garbage. Treat people good on the way up since you see them again
@MRobert21 He probably was one of the best ever... Easily better than Bret and on a par with HBK... He wasn't as violent towards his ONE ex wife than say, Stone Cold, or maybe Snuka, who may or may not have killed his girlfriend. And, i'm sorry to say this but beating his wife is not comparable to being paralysed and losing a leg. I don't see how he deserves that. Also, although drugs played a part in him having seizures, it was bad surgery that finished him off. Dynamite Kid Is The Best!
I will never understand the need of fans of people who are great performers at some thing to say they are the best ever and to especially defend them when they are scum as human beings. Billington in his book admits he beat his wife and she got his money because of it (worse than Austin). Billington's FRIENDS in wrestling like Hart say he was a bully and a scum bag. Hart was better in ring and HBK was way better in ring than Dynamite because both were safer to work with and worked more styles
@MRobert21 Sorry... Simply stating that Hart was a better in-ring performer than Tommy shows what you know... Nothing! More styles than Dyno??? You my friend are mental. Do you still own a pair of HitMan shades? You probably think Davy-Boy carried the Bulldogs. You are even more likely to think that Benoit should be removed from wrestling history, that Bret screwed Bret, and that Cena is actually OK! You know the Undertaker isn't really dead, right?
You are just an ignorant limey smark who marks out for your favorites who are from where you are no matter what, so it is pointless responding to you. You are 1 of the ignorant fools who thinks it is okay that Benoit slaughtered a woman and child because he was your favorite vanilla midget. I am not a Hart fan (Bret did screw Bret) but I know he was a safer and better wrestler than the munchkin that ripped Foley's jaw off in 1986. Davey Boy certainly had a far better overall career than Dynamite
Another idiot Benoit mark trying to justify Benoit being a scum bag, which always ticks me off. Benoit's murders were proven by the media and law enforcement to be pre meditated acts that he executed over several days and tried to cover up. The official autopsy (not the fraud Nowinski did months later) showed no drugs or brain damage that forced Benoit to do 2 pre meditated murders. Benoit has been established to be a long term spousal and child abuser.
@MRobert21 I agree. These Benoit worshipers piss me off. Check out their channels and look at their ages. Most of them are in their mid-twenties or younger. Says a lot I think.
@trekfanful You are 100% correct. I LOATHE vanilla midget murder Chris Benoit marks with a passion. They are the worst of the online web smark wrestling fans. Every 1 of them is 25 or younger and started watching wrestling in the Attitude Era and read all the bull crap the dirt sheets and sites used to write praising the little murderous goof (since he was a mole for the sheets and sites). They were making up absurd conspiracy theories about Sullivan and McMahon the day after Benoit's crime.
@HushOnHellsHorizon Your damn right no excuses. His so called "brain damage" was never given any credence from anyone except Christopher Nowinski. Benoit's father heard exactly what he needed to I guess. If he was as brain damaged as they said he would not have been coherent enough to show up at events to take all those chair shots to begin with. He would not even know where he was or what he was doing the majority of the time. I'm not saying he didn't go off the deep end. Obviously he did.
@trekfanful Benoit had no brain damage. The official autopsy by the state of Georgia found no medical or drug conditions in Benoit that would force him to murder. If Benoit had concussions, he would have died flying in a pressurized plane because the pressurization crushes the brains of those with head trauma. Chris Nowinski is a scam artist. His doctors are discredited quacks and none of his alleged findings are published in peer reviewed medical journals. He is trying to extort McMahon.
@HushOnHellsHorizon Your damn right no excuses. His so called "brain damage" was never given any credence from anyone except Christopher Nowinski. Benoit's father heard exactly what he needed to I guess. If he was as brain damaged as they said he would not have been coherent enough to show up at events to take all those chair shots to begin with. He would not even know where he was or what he was doing the majority of the time. I'm not saying he didn't go off the deep end. Obviously he did.
@HushOnHellsHorizon But he still knew right from wrong. He was at no time deemed mentally incompitant. If he was as out of it as some people need to believe then he would not have had it together enough to contact WWE personnel with a bullshit story about food poisoning to try and explain his absence. But I guess it doesn't matter. Go watch some of his matches and cheer for him when he applies the crossface and you imagine him doing it to a tied up Nancy (another sign of his coherence) and a
@trekfanful Benoit knew everything he was doing. It was a cold and calculated 3 day murder suicide rampage that Benoit tried to cover up. Benoit flew from Texas to Georgia, drove an hour to his home, killed Nancy, the next day killed Daniel, sent a bunch of texy messages trying to cover his crimes, then the day after that killed himself because he was a coward who realized he was going to get caught. Media and police investigations proved Benoit was a long term spousal and child abuser too.
@MRobert21 I don't condone what Benoit did, but IN THE RING he modeled himself after one of not the best technicians in the history of the business. A lot of guys have stated that Dynamite Kid is pound for pound one of the best. Bret was great too. In response to the Foley incident Dyno was known to be a jerk , but also very stiff in the ring. BTW I am NOT from England.
TNO73, I do not give a crap what the murderous vanilla midget did in the ring or who his role model does (though making a piece of trash like Tommy Billington your hero is a warning sign of becoming a psycho killer). I loathe all Benoit marks for trying to ignore and / or explain away his crimes and I wish on all of them the fate of Nancy Benoit. I do not like Foley much, but there was no excuse for what Billington did to Foley or for many of his other evil crimes in the ring and locker room.
TNO73, if you want to know who I like from the 1980's, then I will tell you. I liked the Bulldogs in the ring, but they were scum as people (especially Billington) and are overly deified by the smarks. For their in ring abilities in the 1980's, I liked Strike Force (Santana / Martel), Steamboat, Savage, Valentine, US Express (Rotundo / Windham), Race, Pillman, Demolition (Darsow / Eadie), Hennig, and Rockers (Jannetty / Michaels). Shawn Michaels is my favorite in ring wrestler ever.
@MRobert21 I like a lot of the same people as you. But depsite your comments I still think Dyno was one of the best in the ring. Watch his matches with Tiger Mask .People still revere them & emulate them . The difference between us is that I am able to seperate their work from their home life. HBK was kind of a scumbag himself in the early days. I will agree that IN THE RING HBK is amazing, but as a person not so much.
TNO73, I knew you would try to equate HBK and Billington as people. HBK did a lot of drugs and played some politics, but he was never as bad a person as Billington. Of course, the main difference is that Michaels found god, accepted responsibility for his past mistakes, and made amends for what he did wrong in the past (Michaels and Hart are even friends now), which Billington has never done. HBK's many titles, long WWF career, and millions of fans show he was the best in and out of the ring.
@MRobert21 You can't compare by that alone. I will agree that HBK is amazing, bu the also gained his sucess at the right time. During the steroid scandal. Bret paved the way for slightly smaller guys held the WC. Not to mention the fact that Dynamite Kid's injury forced retirement. One of the best matches I have seen was the triple threat at WM20 between HHH, HBK & Benoit. Just imagine what Dk could have been if given a proper singles push?
@TNO73 Forget everything else & compare the two IN THE RING. DK is faster. Possibly stronger (steroids), Technically I think DK is better. HBK has the logevity & titles. The mic skills department isn't even close. HBK could burp a better promo.
Personally I like both. The one thing I will go to my grave though is that Hulk Hogan is quite possibly the most overrated wrestler of all time. He has chrisma, but nothing else. I found even his interviews crap.
@TNO73 ONe final thing of note is that Dk is by all accounts legit tough. Even Jacques Rougeau said he didn't go down after getting punched with a roll of quarters. Plus he innovated the superplex. Not too sure if he innovated the snap suplex, but he is the first person I ever saw use it.
TNO73, Billington was a legit bully who was tough with a sucker punch or other cheap shot (the Rougeaus cured him of that some what). Bob Orton Junior and others did the Superplex before Billington. Snap suplexes have been done by others first too. The smartest move Davey Boy ever made was dumping Billington and going back to the WWF, while Billington spent the last few years of his career struggling in Canadian high school gyms in front of empty crowds.
@MRobert21 No legit tough. Savage asked him to watch his back while in a bar frequented by NWA wrestlers. Had shooting ability. Used the Superplex 1st in Japan in theearly 80's. Empty arenas? Finished in Japan, where he was his most popular. They still appreciate actual talent there.
TNO73, I have nothing left to say about that little twit Tommy Billington, so this is my last word on this subject period. I do not believe Savage needed anybody to watch his back and that was just a bunch of silliness that stuff about Savage needing to be afraid of NWA wrestlers (saying WWF wrestlers, who were all former and future NWA wrestlers, feared NWA wrestlers is like saying Burger King employees fear McDonald's employees). Billington finished up in the dead Bruce Hart Stampede Territory
@MRobert21 Maybe you NEED to have the last word or can't admit when you are wrong, but I'll agree to disagree with you on TB. How can you refute when a guy retired? Savage was Champ & was in a bar where a lot of NWA/WCW guys were. Legitimate fear. Hypothetical. IF Brock lesnar was in a bar & picked a fight with Fedor & got his ass handed to him it would be publicized & hurt both Brock & his organization'sreps. Think about it.
@MRobert21 Being a HBK fan you know he got beat up by some millitary. It was widely know that it happened. Just imagine if it was guys from a RIVAL promotion that did it? No imagine what a guy like Bischoff would have done if HBK was the WWE champ and let's say Sting had beat him up in a public place. It would have BEEN EVERYWHERE. Not saying either of these guys would do that, but what if. That was Savage's thinking.
TNO73, okay, your stupidity did elicit 1 last comment from me here, though not related to the Dynamite Twirp. Michaels got beat up once by 9 MARINES in a bar (unlike a fake tough limey midget who got beat up by only 2 frog Canadian jobbers). Professional fighters get paid to fight and do not beat each other up in bars for free and professional wrestlers are entertainers who do not beat each other up for free. Guys from different wrestling companies always hang out together back then and now.
TNO73, Michaels is in every way better than Billington which is why he is rich (money talks and bull crap walks the mile) and famous, while Billington is a broken down wreck without a penny in England. Michaels had more great matches in a variety of styles, drew more money, and cut way better promos than both Bulldogs combined. The Rockers as a team lasted longer and made more impact than the Bulldogs. Hogan was fine in the ring in the 1980's and his ring work and promos fit his gimmick.
@MRobert21 You can't possibly thnk the Rockers are a better team than the Bulldogs. Also HBK never carried anything. Ever heard of guys like Bret Hart & Undertaker, Steve Austin. You will get no complaints from me as HBK is great.
TNO73, HBK came along at the right time in the early to mid 1990's when wrestling was dead and he had to carry the industry all by himself and then again after the Attitude Era boom was over (you clearly do not know what the right time is). Billington came along at just the right time when the 1980's boom was in full force and his steroid / drug abuse was condoned and he still could not get over as a single wrestler and was only over for a year in his tag team. Would have, could have, didn't.
@MRobert21 name me a wrestler under 6 ft ( like DK) during the 80's Hulkamania that got HUGE singles push. Bret became World Champ during the Steroid scandal & when Hogan bailed. I have tried to be respectful of your opinions, but saying HBK wrestles more styles than DK just shows you are ignorant. Look at ANY publication & or ask anyone that has watched longer than 25 years who is better Bulldogs or Rockers? You will lose!
@TNO73 I try to seperate the work they do/did from their personal lives as well. But what Benoit did goes beyond all that. When I see him it's all I can think. So I choose not to see him at all. I admit that it's unfair to all the guys he worked with but I don't imagine they enjoy thinking about it too much either.
@MRobert21 One other thing I am NOT trying to convince anybody of anything. But if I were an up& coming wrestler why wouldn't you try to emulate someone who is great in the ring. If I were a kid in the mid 80's & liked basketball I would emulate Michael Jordan. You can say whatever you want, but Dyno was techincally sound, innovative, & very respected through out the world for his IN RING ABILITY. Not sure about you, but at the time I could have cared less about how he was outside the ring.
TNO73, of course you are trying to convince me and the rest of the world Billington is the greatest ever and Benoit is great (so great he should be given a free pass on being a multiple murderer), which is why you keep posting these comments on here (there are a lot of smarks out there with the same agenda). I care what guys are like out of the ring because it affects what they do in the ring. I would not emulate some body who I knew was scum as a person and whose work style crippled them.
@MRobert21 I don't think Benoit should be given a free pass. I haven't watched wrestling since I heard what happened. History will remember him 1st as a murderer & 2nd as a wrestler. Before it all happened though I thought Benoit was in the ring the best at that time.
TNO73, Benoit should only be remembered as the murderous little scum bag that he was. I applaud McMahon for erasing that murderous vanilla midget from wrestling history and I would like to help McMahon do that any way I can. Before Benoit became a known killer, I thought he was a bland, boring, dwarf who never drew money and got undeserved pushes by kissing the ass of the smarks and dirt sheets (hence they covered up his spousal abuse and steroids use) and playing politics in the locker room
@TNO73 Who cares what he did in the ring? He doesn't deserve credit for that. I give no credit to him for anything. It's just a matter of having taste. You think Nancy and Daniel cared about how good he may or may not have been when he was choking them to death?
@shteak Benoit can not be removed from wrestling history because there are too many people who feel sorry for him and not his victims. Too many people who who make excuses for him. He can't be removed from history because it already happened. I wish he could though. He was a cowardly piece of shit. Fuck him.
@trekfanful Do not worry, Benoit is removed from history. Vince McMahon owns most of wrestling history and if he says you are gone, then you are gone. These smark Benoit worshippers will fade away and then Benoit will be gone for good. Non fans and casual fans who make up the vast majority of the world population have already forgotten Chris Benoit. The only sad thing is that it erases the career of his victim Nancy who had a far longer and better wrestling career than the vanilla midget did.
@MRobert21 I can appriciate your opinion, but I am curious if you always felt the way you do about Benoit as you do now? calling him the vanilla midget makes me assume you did not. Which I find ridiculous if you say you are a wrestling fan. Benoit was no great talker, but in the ring there were few that were better than him in the ring during his career.
@TNO73 I never cared for Benoit. He was a bland, boring, vanilla, midget who never drew any $ in professional wrestling any place despite being constantly over pushed. Of course I did not go into full LOATHING of the murderous vanilla midget until he committed his heinous crimes and the full truth came out about his murders, drug abuse, spousal / child abuse, bullying, politics, and all the other bad things he did that the wrestling companies and the dirt sheets used to cover up for him.
@TNO73 You Benoit loving smarks who know nothing about working worship him, but he really was not good in the ring as he was stiff and sloppy (see him carelessly breaking Sabu's neck). Lance Storm, who worked with Benoit and trains good wrestlers, will not let his students watch Benoit tapes because Benoit's style was so stiff and sloppy. All the details on how Benoit bullied and played politics to get the pushes he did came out when he died. Now, I am done with you here on the midget topic.
@MRobert21 But you never answered my question! I loved Lance Storm too, but I can totally see why Benoit would have that style seeing how Dyno's style was that way. Plus the fact that in Japan it seems to be the prefered style & that is kind of where both Dyno & Benoit hit it big.
@MRobert21 Sorry you did. I just didn't see it. By the way HBK was a far bigger political guy that HBK or Benoit. Everybody knows that! Also while i would agree with you that HBK is great I personally wouldn't call him the GOAT. IMO based on a less believable style. I prefer Bret to HBK. but that in opinon. Also I think in a 1-1 match Dyno would have wiped the floor with HBK. Mainly cus of his legit shooting ability. I read Macho asked Dyno to be his backup at a hotel when NWA guys were there.
@TNO73 That made a lot of sense that HBK was a bigger political guy than HBK LOL. Shooting ability means 0, though I know Michaels can handle himself fine. I have seen plenty of terrible Bret Hart matches (anything in WCW or Wrestlemania 11). Hart wrestled Flair in 1992 and it stunk. Michaels wrestled Flair 16 years later and it was great. Michaels wins based on that alone. Check out a Mike Graham shoot about what political scum Benoit was. Now, I am done with you on HBK and this video.
jesus christ dynamite is ridiculously juiced here. no wonder his body went to shit, i wonder exactly what he was on here.
desecrator1000 1 week ago
RIP Macho and Elizabeth... :(
jblcn1042 3 weeks ago
Lost classic....awesome match....RIP Mach
huskerhotelfoxtrot 1 month ago
Until Jake Roberts is in the HOF, it is a sham. Respect to those who made it, but it is a whole lot of politics too.
KristaBlueSock 1 month ago
@KristaBlueSock I agree Roberst should be in, but it will ALWAYS be a sham until Bruno Sammartino goes in.
antsman88 1 week ago
@antsman88 You smarks are the only sham. McMahon has offered to put Sammartino in the Hall Of Fame many times and tried to make up with him (Jim Ross and many others have publicly said this), but Bruno enjoys being old and bitter, so he refuses to go in the Hall Of Fame or have anything to do with McMahon. Jake Roberts is an over glorified mid carder who is a drunken drug abuser who is always in trouble with the law and near death. Good luck getting him sober to be at the ceremony.
MRobert21 1 week ago
@MRobert21 No, he's just refused to go to the ceremony. They can (and should if it can ever be considered legitimate) still do the right thing and just induct him. As for your point about Robert's drug problems? Well Piper seems to spend half his time high, Steve Austin is a wife beater and Jimmy Snuka alledgedly killed his girlfriend they still put them in. My point is Roberts should be in because of what he was, not what he has become. Although it would be funny sto see him accept it drunk!
antsman88 1 week ago
@antsman88 You further prove your incredible ignorance. Sammartino HIMSELF has publicly said he wants NOTHING to do with McMahon or his hall of Fame. You smarks ignore how business works and have no clue how halls of fame work. If McMahon put Sammartino in his hall of fame without Sammartino's consent (why McMahon would want to do that for somebody who bashes him non stop is beyond me), then Sammartino could and would sue McMahon for using his name and image without his permission.
MRobert21 1 week ago
@antsman88 Oh no, the Snuka killed his girlfriend LIE you smarks have no shred of proof to back up. Also, the Austin beat his third wife LIE (though his first 2 wives NEVER said he touched them) just because he plead no contest to civil disturbance when Debra was beating on him once. Of course, you can PROVE Piper (who has a solid family and career) is high half the time. PROVE Piper showed up for ANY public appearance he has ever made while high (as Roberts always does) or SHUT UP
MRobert21 1 week ago
@MRobert21 Hey I'm only stating the the words that are there (nb. i said ALLEDGEDLY). Sammartino's already featured on the WWF tagged classics and their stupid top 50 superstars dvd and he hasn't sued them for that. Calm down a bit man, I'm sorry I didn't realise i was offending you so much. Its a fake hall of fame anyway lol
antsman88 1 week ago
@antsman88 You goof, McMahon owns all rights to Sammartino's old WWF footage, so there is nothing Sammartino can do to stop McMahon from using it any way McMahon wants to. Sammartino was under contract to McMahon when that footage was taken, unlike now, so McMahon can use that footage as he sees fit. By the way, the Tagged Classics are NOT produced by McMahon (Silvervision produces them), hence why they are still labeled as WWF, so McMahon has nothing to do with making thiose.
MRobert21 1 week ago
@antsman88 EVERY person who goes into the Hall Of Fame has to sign a contract with McMahon allowing him to use their name, image, and trademarks on the hall of fame broadcast and forever after that in connection with the hall of fame. Sammartino (along with others like Warrior and Honky Tonk Man) REFUSE to do that, so they CAN NOT be put in the Hall Of Fame. I see you are a 24 year old punk (meaning you NEVER even saw crappy Sammartino), so you have no clue how law and business works
MRobert21 1 week ago
@MRobert21 Hey I'm not one of these who rides on sammartino's dick thinking he was great in the ring. I'm fully aware he wasnt technically great or whatever, my arguement is purely that he built their reputaion in MSG and as such they should acknowledge it.
antsman88 1 week ago
@antsman88 I apologize for having a low tolerance for stupidity, but you reached my threshold with your nonsense. Here is my last reply to you on this video here as you rate no further time nor effort. The only reason Bruno Sammartino was champion for so long was because he would take half of every year off. When he was gone, Strongbow, Morales, and plenty of others drew just as well as Bruno did. Bruno was crap in the ring and on commentary. Bruno even hated Vince Senior too.
MRobert21 1 week ago
@MRobert21 And I apologise to you for not seeing eye to eye with you. You do seem to have missed my whole point, but nevermind. I have taken your points into consideration. Now please excuse me, you've reached MY threshold of people who take these comments WAAAAAY to seriously. I'm off to get laid. Have a nice day. xxx
antsman88 1 week ago
@MRobert21 and if you wouldn't mind leaving the personal shots your taking - i was under the impression we could have a converstaion without resorting to personal comments.
antsman88 1 week ago
@MRobert21 ha, you have got to admit Bruno's reasons for objecting to going in the hall of fame are ridiculous - the whole payment thing for the legends vs the purse celebrities get and his idea that its all about sex and violence etc now.
antsman88 1 week ago
@antsman88 Bruno Sammartino is a bitter, old, has been, who is angry the wrestling business passed him by back in the 1980's. Sammartino is mad that Hogan, Austin, Cena, and many others were way bigger stars and draws than he ever was. Sammartino is mad that his no talent son Davey, who he forced in to the business, was a giant flop. Davey and Bruno have not talked in decades and rather than blame each other, they both blame McMahon for the fact they hate each other and Davey stunk.
MRobert21 1 week ago
This ring n arena looks so ghetto
lyles2300 2 months ago
dynamite kid my lord what physique lool ripped man
90mv 3 months ago
@90mv: Unfortunatly you have to remember where it came from.
kanenkitten 3 months ago
two top wrestlers , should be h.o.famers
wilde1978 4 months ago
Savage the best in tourneys!
ceparker32 4 months ago
Hulk Hogan vs. Jake Roberts
Would have been "stupid" as you said.
What is a nice match for you, then.
Where was the fuck up ?
hoghash78 5 months ago
So a feud between Hogan and Roberts would be stupid?
It would have worked.
hoghash78 5 months ago
@hoghash78 Yes, a Hogan / Roberts feud would have been stupid. No, it would not have worked as Hogan, McMahon, and Roberts (who all work in the business unlike you) knew when they started doing it it in 1986 and it got the wrong reaction from the crowd (the proto smark heel fans in the northeast killed it by going into business for themselves). When a face is hot you do not split the crowd and get the face under. Hogan had to stay hot and strong for Wrestlemania 3. Now I am done with you.
MRobert21 5 months ago
fantastic match! Jesse had me cracking up a few times too. Such a shame how Dynamite had to back off wrestling soon after, really talented guy. RIP both legends
marsharent 5 months ago
@marsharent Dynamite Kid is not dead.
SuperNole26 5 months ago
@SuperNole26 weird I knew he's still alive (just in really bad shape), was confused why I got your reply but I totally garbled up the end of my comment there... bah :P RIP Savage, both (are) legends
marsharent 5 months ago
@marsharent Haha all good,i always thought he was dead untill like a year ago.So i understand. lol
SuperNole26 5 months ago
This should have been the final. JYD was worthless even if he was likable
piggyinthehood 7 months ago
@piggyinthehood You little pig...I agree with you totally. Two great workers...JYD was fun. He can tickle me. But Macho and Dynamite brought heat.
Of the subject, What if we had face vs face?
Hogan vs the Dog ? Just a thought.
hoghash78 7 months ago
@hoghash78 Hogan versus Dog is a terrible idea. The matches would have stunk because both guys needed to be carried in the ring. Dog was a heel earlier in his career, but was not going to be a heel at that point. Face versus face is even worse. You would pit the black fans against the white fans. You would split the audience for no reason and nobody would get over. WWF kept Jake Roberts from a long feud with Hogan in 1986 because he got better pops as a heel than Hogan did as a face.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 No dissrespect, but I dissagree with everything you said.
Jake vs. Hogan ?
Uhh, dream match. So many mistakes were made then.
They had unbelievable ability and quality at that time.
hoghash78 5 months ago
@hoghash78 That is okay, you have the right to be wrong and I have the right to point out why you are wrong. Ha, ha, LOL, sure McMahon made a lot of mistakes then, which is why he made a million $ regional business into a billion $ global empire. I love it when the web smarks think they know more than the legends who were there and actually did it. As JAKE ROBERTS HIMSELF has said, you do not split the audience or turn the audience against your cash cow baby face (Hogan) when he is on fire.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 It would have been so great if he did though. Hogan has always IMO been OVERRATED!!!. Even as a kid I never knew why fans liked him. His matches were biring & all the same. Maybe I was a little more attitude era ahead of time, cuz I didn't care whether a guy was face or heel. Bret I liked from day one, Dyno same thing. Rick Rude, Macho Man, Nature Boy in the NWA days. Road Warriors I liked. I could care less whether they were being booed or cheered. I liked what I liked.
TNO73 5 months ago
@TNO73 I know I was done with you on this video, but I will give you 1 response on this new topic. I am NOT a huge Hogan fan and never was, but he is NOT over rated as he is the biggest star in the history of professional wrestling (everyone in the business says that). Hogan had terrific charisma, look, promos, and matches (with Savage, Orndorff, Warrior, Andre, and many others). Keeping Hogan strong was smart business (until 1990) as Hogan, McMahon, Roberts, and the whole company knew.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 I'll agree he was the biggest thing, but I never understood why. I thought he horrible in the ring & promo wise I would have rather listened to the likes of Flair, Savage & especially Roberts. Even his look never did anything for me. I will admit that their was a brief time that I enjoyed The Warrior (his music used to do it for me I think) The Road Warriors had a great look & while they were limited in the ring too. Hogan...in peril, hulks up, finger, big boot leg drop. SNOREFEST!!!
TNO73 5 months ago
@MRobert21 Also to an extent I think it had a lot to do with the timing & the exposure Vince got with TV. If Flair had been in the WWF when they went national I think with his promos, charisma, & infinatley better in ring work the WWF would have been able to take off inthe same way without Hogan. If you add the Four Horsemen into the mix...WOW. The were heels that totally got over well before the whole attitude era. So for that reason I think Hogan is overrated.
TNO73 5 months ago
@TNO73 As this is a slightly different topic I will give you 1 comment only on it. Flair was in WWF off and on from the late 1970's and NEVER drew anything there. Flair in WWF from 1991-1993 was a major flop as was his last senior citizen run there. WWF was ALWAYS a face centered company unlike all the other territories, which went broke. Hogan had huge mainstream exposure from his first WWF run, Rocky 3, and then the AWA, which made him big before McMahon made him super big, unlike Flair.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 Superstar BIlly Graham was a heel champ in the late 70's. His title reign was the better part of a year.Over 9 months. I don't ever recall Flair being in the WWF in the late 70's or early 80's. I remember the early 90's, but come on now EVERYONE knows they dropped the ball with what should have easily been the main event at Wrestlemania. A Flair/Hogan match. We have a difference of opinions. I feel Flair & the Horsemen could have been what Stone Cold did for the biz.
TNO73 5 months ago
@TNO73 Your ignorance keeps dragging me back. Bruno Sammartino (an 8 year AND a 4 year title reign), Pedro Morales (2 year title reign), Bob Backlund (4 year title reign), Hulk Hogan (a 4 year AND a 1 year title reign), Randy Savage (1 year title reign), and Ultimate Warrior (1 year title reign) were all long term FACE champions in a FACE dominated company McMahon Senior started and McMahon Junior continued because FACES draw $ (not heels) in wrestling and have more longevity before fans tire.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 I meant Bob Backlund had a 5, not 4, year title reign. Oops, damn typos. Now, I should hopefully be done on this video. here.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 I also LOVE that you always say you are done here. Why are you on here if you hate Dynamite so much & think he is overrated? I'll tell you why you are a T-R-O-L-L! You have some great knowledge, but also you have no idea how to respect others opinions. I have decided to stop feeding you. Dyno WAS AMAZING!!! I think Bret Hart is a top 5 guy all time & he thinks Dynamite Kid was teh best lbs for lbs. of all time. Who am I to disagree with the best there is,was, & ever will be? You Lose!
TNO73 5 months ago
@TNO73 Some Flair mark you are as you obviously did not buy the Ultimate Ric Flair Collection, which has Flair's first (extremely boring and not over) match from the WWF in the 1970's against jobber Pete Sanchez (I got it despite not loving Flair). Flair periodically appeared in the WWF and AWA in the 1970's and 1980's and never drew $ in either company (unlike Hogan). Flair was not even a draw in all the NWA territories as he could not produce anything in Portland or Kansas City as examples.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@TNO73 Flair and the 4 Horsemen were the exact same as the NWO and killed WCW the same way. WCW had great faces (Magnum, Sting, Nikita, Luger, Windham, Rock And Roll Express, etc.) and the Horsemen buried them (with help from booker Dusty who kept himself as top face despite not drawing) until WCW stopped drawing in 1988 and was sold off (see NWO in 1998). Horsemen drew some (never up north or out west though) from 1985-1987 and then ceased to draw at all (yet they kept getting revived to suck)
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 with the various incarnations sure some did suck. but Flair,Blanchard, AA & Windham were good. Certain guys that were in the horsemen were great, so having the best 4 of them together would work. But to say they were like the NWO is wrong. WCW did try to revive them for the wrong reasons. Ask most wrestlers & they'll tell you say the 4H were great. To say they buried people is also wrong. The got great heat. cheating to win. "injuring" guys. they could instantly make a feud.
TNO73 5 months ago
@MRobert21 ..well nwo was proven alot better than the 4 horsemen...nwo made wcw a serious threat to wwf ..the 4 horsemen didnt do that...and i think what killed wcw was russos lame storylines ...tna got rid of russo as head writer look how fun is turning now
TheBestEVER4LIFE 4 months ago
@TheBestEVER4LIFE You are really WRONG about everything and do not know what you are talking about. WCW was NOTHING as a promotion until they brought in the top star from San Antonio (Tully) and the top stars from Georgia (the Andersons) to put with their top star (Flair) to form the first heel super group ever. WCW first went national and competed against the WWF because of the Horsemen. NWO was recycled WWF guys who stopped being over once they were forced to admit they were no longer WWF.
MRobert21 4 months ago
@TheBestEVER4LIFE Enough of the Russo killed WCW stupidity. Bischoff was the guy who lost $80 million in a single year in 1999, which is why he was fired and Russo was hired. Russo never had any financial control in WCW and worked for WCW for less than a year. Your silly TNA comment shows you know nothing. Russo founded TNA with the Jarretts. Russo is still writing TNA, TNA just changed his job title to Senior Writer to get you smarks that whine about him off their back for a little while.
MRobert21 4 months ago
russo killed wcw with the crappy storylines of the new blood and i understand what he was trying to do..give young guys a chance but you cnt just take out all your veteran main eventers in one shot...also making him and david arquette win world championship was great idea...and him remaking same storylines from wwf 1997 was good ideas too..like when abyss threw blk ooze from ceiling on sting could swear i saw that with kane throwing blood on austin from ceiling..his storylines are too looney
TheBestEVER4LIFE 4 months ago
@TheBestEVER4LIFE You do not understand ANYTHING, including how to type or use English properly, so I will own and punk you with 1 last comment on this video here before I ignore you after this. If Russo killed WCW, then how come Hall, Nash, and Hogan were trying to get out of WCW back in 1997? If Russo killed WCW, then how come head WCW writer Kevin Sullivan told Jericho in 1997 WCW was sinking like the Titanic? Why did Jericho, Big Slow, and others leave WCW for less $ before Russo was hired
MRobert21 4 months ago
you telling me you gonna ignore me so why ask so many questions?? lol....are you related to that lousy cartoon wrestling writer vince russo?? i bet you was jumping up and down when vince russo and david arquette won the wcw championships..in 1997 nwo was hot goldberg was hot...if anything what killed wcw was fact to stuck too long with nwo storyline and then tried to fix it by bringing in a writer with good ideas but russo was a huge downgrade watch ric flairs shoot on vince russo...or piper's
TheBestEVER4LIFE 4 months ago
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piggyinthehood 7 months ago
look how bouncy that ring is. the super plex was ridiculous.
grelleezy 8 months ago
Elizabeth looks very nice ;) lol
misterjakemczilla 8 months ago
I love the crashing sound of the mat. Just walking across it would be thunderous.
stargate121 9 months ago
Even though I'm into indie and mexico/japan promotions, these two were one of the best old skool wrestlers for me to always enjoy as far as classic old skool matches goes... R.I.P. to macho man and the dynamite!!!
Frantyx 9 months ago
Great match that serves as a precursor to Savage's stellar career. RIP Randy, you will be missed!
ricochetphoenix 9 months ago
classic match 2 of the best of all time - thanks for the video !!
ultimatewarriorz1 9 months ago
This was the first WWF PPV, I don't know why neither savage or the bulldoggs were left out of the first wrestlemania
brianjmal 10 months ago
@brianjmal
Savage wasn't in the WWF at the time of the first WM. I think the Bulldogs were but they were splitting their time between WWF and All Japan.
OldSchoolRasslin 9 months ago
@OldSchoolRasslin yes he was, this ppv "wrestling classic" was before wrestlemania
brianjmal 9 months ago
@brianjmal No WM I was like in late March or early April. This was in November. Savage was a new kid on the block here.
trekfanful 5 months ago
@brianjmal You are a boob and are dead wrong. Quoting wiki here, "The Wrestling Classic was a World Wrestling Federation (WWF) pay-per-view (PPV) event that took place on November 7, 1985." Quoting Wiki again about Wrestlemania 1, "It took place on March 31, 1985, at Madison Square Garden in New York City." March comes BEFORE November every year. Neither the Bulldogs nor Savage were yet in WWF in March, 1985, hence they were not at Wrestlemania 1, but were here and at Wrestlemania 2.
MRobert21 1 week ago
ring sounds like shit
SuperIlikefeet 10 months ago
I know Hart and DK wrestled a lot but did DK and Henning every mix it up anywhere ?
kinkabala 1 year ago
what shame dynamites career ended as it did , Benoit was good but om the same level Dk IMO .
crappy ending to match though .
kinkabala 1 year ago
@kinkabala That was a great ending, in my opinion. IThe superplex was a great looking move that popped the crowd and established Savage as a guy who can find a way to win.
mastermold2011 10 months ago
@kinkabala Benoit was as big a piece of shit as anyone.
trekfanful 5 months ago
wow is that mat bouncy?
dantana613 1 year ago
You're all saying "Why isn't Macho Man or British Bulldog in the Hall of Fame?" I have a question why isn't Miss Elizabeth?
rmcg678 1 year ago
Holy crap, this was always a dream match and I always forgot that this match even happened, glad to see it, great quality for such a long time ago, hope u upload more dynamite vid's
RawIsAvila22 1 year ago
I'll take Dynamite in his prime over Michaels anyday. Michaels is looking pretty beat up. He was limping around the IGA, in Port McNeil, Vancouver Island, last April. He was up there on a hunting trip. His wife was wearing camouflage, she is hot.
2507559168 1 year ago
Dynamite is a real shooter and you can tell he's starts bulling Savage around when Savage slapped him Classic Dynamite Kid always the bully
thegoods420 1 year ago
Damn, kid was roided up by this point.
princeDinger 1 year ago
@princeDinger I'm sure it works just like secondhand smoke....probably secondhand roids from hanging around the Bulldog
rtydhg9q 1 year ago
dynamite should have won
angus506 1 year ago
My Match of the Year for WWF '85. Wish it were longer!
creatureofthenight1 1 year ago
What a great match. Both Savage and Dynamite sold like a million bucks.
SuperstarOfWrestling 1 year ago
HOF is not as big of a deal as people think it is.
TooMuchGass 1 year ago
@TooMuchGass It is funny how the smarks say Vince McMahon's hall of fame is not a big deal and is not the actual hall of fame, yet all they do is piss and moan about who is or is not in the McMahon hall of fame. All the whining and crying by smarks about McMahon's hall of fame (unlike the other anonymous halls of fame nobody knows about, such as the hall of fame in Davey Meltzer's mom's basement) PROVES the McMahon hall of fame is the definitive hall of fame and is a MAJOR deal to everybody.
MRobert21 4 months ago
@MRobert21 Honetsly, I think they are trying to make a consious effort into making the WWE HoF legit with the recent inclusions of territory-era wrestlers, such as Abdullah the Butcher, but personally, I just do what smarks SHOULD be doing: Ignore the WWE HoF and pretend it doesn't exist.
wittw 2 months ago
@wittw Stupid (what the s in smark really means) smarks being stupid here, but I give you a little credit for admitting you are a stupid smark. Sure, you and the other smarks ignore McMahon's hall of fame, which is why you piss and moan about it non stop including taking the time to write your dribble comment here. Who cares what you and other cry baby smarks think? Millions of people around the world watch and enjoy the yearly ceremony and soon will enjoy the physical hall of fame too
MRobert21 2 months ago
@MRobert21 in that case, I'll do what everyone should be doing: Ignore YOU.
wittw 2 months ago
@wittw Sure, you will ignore me now that I owned and punked you by exposing the silliness of your lame comment. I am still waiting for 1 of you idiot smarks to go up to the Funks, Harley Race, Wendi Richter, or any other McMahon Hall Of Famer (including Drew Carey or Pete Rose) and tell them face to face that McMahon's Hall Of Fame does not matter and they do not deserve to be in it, so they can make you eat through a straw. Now, I will ignore you on this video here after this last laugh
MRobert21 2 months ago
@MRobert21 nerdrage ftw. the HOF matters!
desecrator1000 1 week ago
@desecrator1000 The smarks who piss moan about McMahon's Hall Of Fame non stop, yet insanely claim at the same time that they do not care about it and that it does not matter are the nerds in a rage. McMahon's Hall Of Fame matters as much as any major corporation that has a Hall Of Fame for employees. McMahon's Hall Of Fame means as much as any sports or entertainment hall of fame that gets thousands of people to watch its inductions live and millions more watching on television
MRobert21 1 week ago
awesome!
kevinjohnsonspencer 1 year ago
either of those two I could be considered the best wrestler of all time
thesongisover 1 year ago
I remember this tournament. I was so pissed when Savage lost to the Junkyard Dog by a countout. First of all, what a sucky way to lose by CO, but to lose to a jobber like JYD is worse. Savage should have this tourny! DK is a douche and a loser and deservedly has MS or some debilitating disease.
handsome102180 1 year ago
@handsome102180
Thanks, I was watching video by video until I read your comment. Ruined all the fun.
twainname 1 year ago
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handsome102180 1 year ago
@twainname Oh well, no one told you to read it! It was disappointing, anyway. It should have been Savage instead of that jobber JYD. But they would make it up to us when Savage won the King of the Ring tournament in 1987 and Wrestlemania IV in 1988.
handsome102180 1 year ago
@handsome102180
Oh thank you again, I was just watching an old copy of the king of the ring from 1987 and now I know who wins it. SOme people do not remember the outcome so its like they are watching classic wrestling for the first time. Spoilers stink! Well, now that I know Macho man won I cannot...Just kidding I already knew. The Macho push was an awesome time in the WWF. He never became a serious contender again until he moved to WCW which is sad. Remember loose lips sink ships! Peace.
twainname 1 year ago
@handsome102180 jyd a jobber lol.....stay off the meth whiteboy!
83getitin 1 year ago
@83getitin Shut up, faggot. JYD was never champion! Just sayin'.....
handsome102180 1 year ago
@handsome102180 neither was chico hoe!! not world champ he was'nt
83getitin 1 year ago
@83getitin Oh yeah I forget. JYD was great because he was black. Same as Obama. How's that coming along btw?
trekfanful 5 months ago
@handsome102180 u right dk is a loser according to rougeau. but jyd is cool though. r.i.p.
weedfan 1 year ago
The reason that Bruno isn't is because he feels his son should have been in the position Hulk Hogan was in but Dave couldnt wrestle and he wasnt very good on the mic I know Hogan was low on the wrestling skill he was great on the mic and was marketable in a TV environment Vince has asked Bruno several times to join the WWE HOF but he refused same thing with The Ultimate Warrior and Vince hates Warrior the reason Randy wont be asked is Steph accused him of Rape
McStarkiller666 1 year ago
@McStarkiller666
Watch Hogan in Japan you will change your mind about his wrestling skill. Hogan's opponents had something to do with the myth of his lack of skill; he mostly wrestled bigger less technical guys (David vs Goliath) or new guys who were there based on image instead of skill. When he fought Macho it was a good match. Hogan vs terry Funk or Bob Backland shows some skill. But like I said in Japan he was allowed to open up and his technical side became more evident.
twainname 1 year ago
Who said the Rockers was better than the British Bulldogs? That is bullshit. Dynamite Kid and Bulldog have 5 stars matches against the Hart Foundation and have great matches against each other. HBK is a great wrestler but Dynamite Kid was a overall better wrestler. The reason HBK got the big push is because 90% of HBK's fans wear high heels.
Bloodsport1 1 year ago
Man that was a LOUD ring...not typical of the WWF in that era if I remember right. The reason why I noticed this is as I re-read Flair's book, he makes mention of how hard Sam Mushnick's ring in St. Louis was and how he and Harley got over by taking big bumps on it. Does anyone have comment on that? Was it a different ring that night or perhaps it was mic'd differently?
shootbinary 1 year ago
HA! Gorilla Monsoon called the Dynamite Kid gay!
1984TalbotFisher 1 year ago
2 great wrestlers here in the ring both legends and randy savage imo was and always will be better than hogan in every way dynamite best wrestler who ever lived bret hart is the best story teller and ric flair is a 2 faced son of a bitch
pornpan96isGay 1 year ago
Anyway, about the match.
It was RARE to see a suplex with both men standing on the top rope. This was a four star match.
mongoose704 1 year ago
Ventura: [about Elizabeth] "...she's one heck of a distraction isn't she Gorilla."
Monsson: "Not to a guy like the Dynamite Kid..."
I'm sorry, but that made me laugh out loud.
EvodiusTheophile 1 year ago
I didn't know that Jay Lethal wrestled Chris Benoit!?! This match is awesome!
EvodiusTheophile 1 year ago
@EvodiusTheophile No match that piece of shit was ever in is awesome. He does not deserve credit for being "awesome" he deserves credit for being a coward.
trekfanful 5 months ago
Jesus Christ! Is the ring made out of a snare drum or something?
jpkayfabe83 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading this man, I've wanted to see this match for quite some time.
DannyTcat 2 years ago
Dynamite Kid is by far the greatest wrestler of all time... Shame what's happened to him. Everyone should be forced to send him lots of cash and get his Sky turned back on!!!
shteak 2 years ago
Why should people have to send Tom Billington tons of cash when he made a fortune from wrestling and squandered it on drugs and paying off the wives he used to beat up? Dynamite Kid was good in the ring (not the greatest ever), but he was a real life ass and bully who is now getting exactly what he deserves. I do not do sympathy for people who bring therir bad fortune on themselves and who are notorious for treating others like garbage. Treat people good on the way up since you see them again
MRobert21 2 years ago
@MRobert21 He probably was one of the best ever... Easily better than Bret and on a par with HBK... He wasn't as violent towards his ONE ex wife than say, Stone Cold, or maybe Snuka, who may or may not have killed his girlfriend. And, i'm sorry to say this but beating his wife is not comparable to being paralysed and losing a leg. I don't see how he deserves that. Also, although drugs played a part in him having seizures, it was bad surgery that finished him off. Dynamite Kid Is The Best!
shteak 2 years ago
I will never understand the need of fans of people who are great performers at some thing to say they are the best ever and to especially defend them when they are scum as human beings. Billington in his book admits he beat his wife and she got his money because of it (worse than Austin). Billington's FRIENDS in wrestling like Hart say he was a bully and a scum bag. Hart was better in ring and HBK was way better in ring than Dynamite because both were safer to work with and worked more styles
MRobert21 2 years ago
@MRobert21 Sorry... Simply stating that Hart was a better in-ring performer than Tommy shows what you know... Nothing! More styles than Dyno??? You my friend are mental. Do you still own a pair of HitMan shades? You probably think Davy-Boy carried the Bulldogs. You are even more likely to think that Benoit should be removed from wrestling history, that Bret screwed Bret, and that Cena is actually OK! You know the Undertaker isn't really dead, right?
shteak 2 years ago
You are just an ignorant limey smark who marks out for your favorites who are from where you are no matter what, so it is pointless responding to you. You are 1 of the ignorant fools who thinks it is okay that Benoit slaughtered a woman and child because he was your favorite vanilla midget. I am not a Hart fan (Bret did screw Bret) but I know he was a safer and better wrestler than the munchkin that ripped Foley's jaw off in 1986. Davey Boy certainly had a far better overall career than Dynamite
MRobert21 2 years ago
@MRobert21 You know benoit had brain damage right? but no excuses i guess, Don't let my markdom Tick you off.
HushOnHellsHorizon 1 year ago
Another idiot Benoit mark trying to justify Benoit being a scum bag, which always ticks me off. Benoit's murders were proven by the media and law enforcement to be pre meditated acts that he executed over several days and tried to cover up. The official autopsy (not the fraud Nowinski did months later) showed no drugs or brain damage that forced Benoit to do 2 pre meditated murders. Benoit has been established to be a long term spousal and child abuser.
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 I agree. These Benoit worshipers piss me off. Check out their channels and look at their ages. Most of them are in their mid-twenties or younger. Says a lot I think.
trekfanful 5 months ago
@trekfanful You are 100% correct. I LOATHE vanilla midget murder Chris Benoit marks with a passion. They are the worst of the online web smark wrestling fans. Every 1 of them is 25 or younger and started watching wrestling in the Attitude Era and read all the bull crap the dirt sheets and sites used to write praising the little murderous goof (since he was a mole for the sheets and sites). They were making up absurd conspiracy theories about Sullivan and McMahon the day after Benoit's crime.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@HushOnHellsHorizon Your damn right no excuses. His so called "brain damage" was never given any credence from anyone except Christopher Nowinski. Benoit's father heard exactly what he needed to I guess. If he was as brain damaged as they said he would not have been coherent enough to show up at events to take all those chair shots to begin with. He would not even know where he was or what he was doing the majority of the time. I'm not saying he didn't go off the deep end. Obviously he did.
trekfanful 5 months ago
@trekfanful Benoit had no brain damage. The official autopsy by the state of Georgia found no medical or drug conditions in Benoit that would force him to murder. If Benoit had concussions, he would have died flying in a pressurized plane because the pressurization crushes the brains of those with head trauma. Chris Nowinski is a scam artist. His doctors are discredited quacks and none of his alleged findings are published in peer reviewed medical journals. He is trying to extort McMahon.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@HushOnHellsHorizon Your damn right no excuses. His so called "brain damage" was never given any credence from anyone except Christopher Nowinski. Benoit's father heard exactly what he needed to I guess. If he was as brain damaged as they said he would not have been coherent enough to show up at events to take all those chair shots to begin with. He would not even know where he was or what he was doing the majority of the time. I'm not saying he didn't go off the deep end. Obviously he did.
trekfanful 5 months ago
@HushOnHellsHorizon But he still knew right from wrong. He was at no time deemed mentally incompitant. If he was as out of it as some people need to believe then he would not have had it together enough to contact WWE personnel with a bullshit story about food poisoning to try and explain his absence. But I guess it doesn't matter. Go watch some of his matches and cheer for him when he applies the crossface and you imagine him doing it to a tied up Nancy (another sign of his coherence) and a
trekfanful 5 months ago
@trekfanful Benoit knew everything he was doing. It was a cold and calculated 3 day murder suicide rampage that Benoit tried to cover up. Benoit flew from Texas to Georgia, drove an hour to his home, killed Nancy, the next day killed Daniel, sent a bunch of texy messages trying to cover his crimes, then the day after that killed himself because he was a coward who realized he was going to get caught. Media and police investigations proved Benoit was a long term spousal and child abuser too.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@HushOnHellsHorizon drugged up Daniel (yet another sign). They don't really matter. He does though. He was the one who entertained you.
trekfanful 5 months ago
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HushOnHellsHorizon 1 year ago
@MRobert21 I don't condone what Benoit did, but IN THE RING he modeled himself after one of not the best technicians in the history of the business. A lot of guys have stated that Dynamite Kid is pound for pound one of the best. Bret was great too. In response to the Foley incident Dyno was known to be a jerk , but also very stiff in the ring. BTW I am NOT from England.
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, I do not give a crap what the murderous vanilla midget did in the ring or who his role model does (though making a piece of trash like Tommy Billington your hero is a warning sign of becoming a psycho killer). I loathe all Benoit marks for trying to ignore and / or explain away his crimes and I wish on all of them the fate of Nancy Benoit. I do not like Foley much, but there was no excuse for what Billington did to Foley or for many of his other evil crimes in the ring and locker room.
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 OK without having to read all the comments on here who do you like? I respect others opinions.
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, if you want to know who I like from the 1980's, then I will tell you. I liked the Bulldogs in the ring, but they were scum as people (especially Billington) and are overly deified by the smarks. For their in ring abilities in the 1980's, I liked Strike Force (Santana / Martel), Steamboat, Savage, Valentine, US Express (Rotundo / Windham), Race, Pillman, Demolition (Darsow / Eadie), Hennig, and Rockers (Jannetty / Michaels). Shawn Michaels is my favorite in ring wrestler ever.
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 I like a lot of the same people as you. But depsite your comments I still think Dyno was one of the best in the ring. Watch his matches with Tiger Mask .People still revere them & emulate them . The difference between us is that I am able to seperate their work from their home life. HBK was kind of a scumbag himself in the early days. I will agree that IN THE RING HBK is amazing, but as a person not so much.
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, I knew you would try to equate HBK and Billington as people. HBK did a lot of drugs and played some politics, but he was never as bad a person as Billington. Of course, the main difference is that Michaels found god, accepted responsibility for his past mistakes, and made amends for what he did wrong in the past (Michaels and Hart are even friends now), which Billington has never done. HBK's many titles, long WWF career, and millions of fans show he was the best in and out of the ring.
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 You can't compare by that alone. I will agree that HBK is amazing, bu the also gained his sucess at the right time. During the steroid scandal. Bret paved the way for slightly smaller guys held the WC. Not to mention the fact that Dynamite Kid's injury forced retirement. One of the best matches I have seen was the triple threat at WM20 between HHH, HBK & Benoit. Just imagine what Dk could have been if given a proper singles push?
TNO73 1 year ago
@TNO73 Forget everything else & compare the two IN THE RING. DK is faster. Possibly stronger (steroids), Technically I think DK is better. HBK has the logevity & titles. The mic skills department isn't even close. HBK could burp a better promo.
Personally I like both. The one thing I will go to my grave though is that Hulk Hogan is quite possibly the most overrated wrestler of all time. He has chrisma, but nothing else. I found even his interviews crap.
TNO73 1 year ago
@TNO73 ONe final thing of note is that Dk is by all accounts legit tough. Even Jacques Rougeau said he didn't go down after getting punched with a roll of quarters. Plus he innovated the superplex. Not too sure if he innovated the snap suplex, but he is the first person I ever saw use it.
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, Billington was a legit bully who was tough with a sucker punch or other cheap shot (the Rougeaus cured him of that some what). Bob Orton Junior and others did the Superplex before Billington. Snap suplexes have been done by others first too. The smartest move Davey Boy ever made was dumping Billington and going back to the WWF, while Billington spent the last few years of his career struggling in Canadian high school gyms in front of empty crowds.
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 No legit tough. Savage asked him to watch his back while in a bar frequented by NWA wrestlers. Had shooting ability. Used the Superplex 1st in Japan in theearly 80's. Empty arenas? Finished in Japan, where he was his most popular. They still appreciate actual talent there.
watch his retirement match HUGE POP
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, I have nothing left to say about that little twit Tommy Billington, so this is my last word on this subject period. I do not believe Savage needed anybody to watch his back and that was just a bunch of silliness that stuff about Savage needing to be afraid of NWA wrestlers (saying WWF wrestlers, who were all former and future NWA wrestlers, feared NWA wrestlers is like saying Burger King employees fear McDonald's employees). Billington finished up in the dead Bruce Hart Stampede Territory
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 Maybe you NEED to have the last word or can't admit when you are wrong, but I'll agree to disagree with you on TB. How can you refute when a guy retired? Savage was Champ & was in a bar where a lot of NWA/WCW guys were. Legitimate fear. Hypothetical. IF Brock lesnar was in a bar & picked a fight with Fedor & got his ass handed to him it would be publicized & hurt both Brock & his organization'sreps. Think about it.
TNO73 1 year ago
@MRobert21 Being a HBK fan you know he got beat up by some millitary. It was widely know that it happened. Just imagine if it was guys from a RIVAL promotion that did it? No imagine what a guy like Bischoff would have done if HBK was the WWE champ and let's say Sting had beat him up in a public place. It would have BEEN EVERYWHERE. Not saying either of these guys would do that, but what if. That was Savage's thinking.
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, okay, your stupidity did elicit 1 last comment from me here, though not related to the Dynamite Twirp. Michaels got beat up once by 9 MARINES in a bar (unlike a fake tough limey midget who got beat up by only 2 frog Canadian jobbers). Professional fighters get paid to fight and do not beat each other up in bars for free and professional wrestlers are entertainers who do not beat each other up for free. Guys from different wrestling companies always hang out together back then and now.
MRobert21 1 year ago
TNO73, Michaels is in every way better than Billington which is why he is rich (money talks and bull crap walks the mile) and famous, while Billington is a broken down wreck without a penny in England. Michaels had more great matches in a variety of styles, drew more money, and cut way better promos than both Bulldogs combined. The Rockers as a team lasted longer and made more impact than the Bulldogs. Hogan was fine in the ring in the 1980's and his ring work and promos fit his gimmick.
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 You can't possibly thnk the Rockers are a better team than the Bulldogs. Also HBK never carried anything. Ever heard of guys like Bret Hart & Undertaker, Steve Austin. You will get no complaints from me as HBK is great.
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, HBK came along at the right time in the early to mid 1990's when wrestling was dead and he had to carry the industry all by himself and then again after the Attitude Era boom was over (you clearly do not know what the right time is). Billington came along at just the right time when the 1980's boom was in full force and his steroid / drug abuse was condoned and he still could not get over as a single wrestler and was only over for a year in his tag team. Would have, could have, didn't.
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 name me a wrestler under 6 ft ( like DK) during the 80's Hulkamania that got HUGE singles push. Bret became World Champ during the Steroid scandal & when Hogan bailed. I have tried to be respectful of your opinions, but saying HBK wrestles more styles than DK just shows you are ignorant. Look at ANY publication & or ask anyone that has watched longer than 25 years who is better Bulldogs or Rockers? You will lose!
TNO73 1 year ago
@TNO73 I try to seperate the work they do/did from their personal lives as well. But what Benoit did goes beyond all that. When I see him it's all I can think. So I choose not to see him at all. I admit that it's unfair to all the guys he worked with but I don't imagine they enjoy thinking about it too much either.
trekfanful 5 months ago
@MRobert21 One other thing I am NOT trying to convince anybody of anything. But if I were an up& coming wrestler why wouldn't you try to emulate someone who is great in the ring. If I were a kid in the mid 80's & liked basketball I would emulate Michael Jordan. You can say whatever you want, but Dyno was techincally sound, innovative, & very respected through out the world for his IN RING ABILITY. Not sure about you, but at the time I could have cared less about how he was outside the ring.
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, of course you are trying to convince me and the rest of the world Billington is the greatest ever and Benoit is great (so great he should be given a free pass on being a multiple murderer), which is why you keep posting these comments on here (there are a lot of smarks out there with the same agenda). I care what guys are like out of the ring because it affects what they do in the ring. I would not emulate some body who I knew was scum as a person and whose work style crippled them.
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 I don't think Benoit should be given a free pass. I haven't watched wrestling since I heard what happened. History will remember him 1st as a murderer & 2nd as a wrestler. Before it all happened though I thought Benoit was in the ring the best at that time.
TNO73 1 year ago
TNO73, Benoit should only be remembered as the murderous little scum bag that he was. I applaud McMahon for erasing that murderous vanilla midget from wrestling history and I would like to help McMahon do that any way I can. Before Benoit became a known killer, I thought he was a bland, boring, dwarf who never drew money and got undeserved pushes by kissing the ass of the smarks and dirt sheets (hence they covered up his spousal abuse and steroids use) and playing politics in the locker room
MRobert21 1 year ago
@TNO73 Who cares what he did in the ring? He doesn't deserve credit for that. I give no credit to him for anything. It's just a matter of having taste. You think Nancy and Daniel cared about how good he may or may not have been when he was choking them to death?
trekfanful 5 months ago
@shteak Benoit can not be removed from wrestling history because there are too many people who feel sorry for him and not his victims. Too many people who who make excuses for him. He can't be removed from history because it already happened. I wish he could though. He was a cowardly piece of shit. Fuck him.
trekfanful 5 months ago
@trekfanful Do not worry, Benoit is removed from history. Vince McMahon owns most of wrestling history and if he says you are gone, then you are gone. These smark Benoit worshippers will fade away and then Benoit will be gone for good. Non fans and casual fans who make up the vast majority of the world population have already forgotten Chris Benoit. The only sad thing is that it erases the career of his victim Nancy who had a far longer and better wrestling career than the vanilla midget did.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 I can appriciate your opinion, but I am curious if you always felt the way you do about Benoit as you do now? calling him the vanilla midget makes me assume you did not. Which I find ridiculous if you say you are a wrestling fan. Benoit was no great talker, but in the ring there were few that were better than him in the ring during his career.
TNO73 5 months ago
@TNO73 I never cared for Benoit. He was a bland, boring, vanilla, midget who never drew any $ in professional wrestling any place despite being constantly over pushed. Of course I did not go into full LOATHING of the murderous vanilla midget until he committed his heinous crimes and the full truth came out about his murders, drug abuse, spousal / child abuse, bullying, politics, and all the other bad things he did that the wrestling companies and the dirt sheets used to cover up for him.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@TNO73 You Benoit loving smarks who know nothing about working worship him, but he really was not good in the ring as he was stiff and sloppy (see him carelessly breaking Sabu's neck). Lance Storm, who worked with Benoit and trains good wrestlers, will not let his students watch Benoit tapes because Benoit's style was so stiff and sloppy. All the details on how Benoit bullied and played politics to get the pushes he did came out when he died. Now, I am done with you here on the midget topic.
MRobert21 5 months ago
@MRobert21 But you never answered my question! I loved Lance Storm too, but I can totally see why Benoit would have that style seeing how Dyno's style was that way. Plus the fact that in Japan it seems to be the prefered style & that is kind of where both Dyno & Benoit hit it big.
TNO73 5 months ago
@MRobert21 Sorry you did. I just didn't see it. By the way HBK was a far bigger political guy that HBK or Benoit. Everybody knows that! Also while i would agree with you that HBK is great I personally wouldn't call him the GOAT. IMO based on a less believable style. I prefer Bret to HBK. but that in opinon. Also I think in a 1-1 match Dyno would have wiped the floor with HBK. Mainly cus of his legit shooting ability. I read Macho asked Dyno to be his backup at a hotel when NWA guys were there.
TNO73 5 months ago
@TNO73 That made a lot of sense that HBK was a bigger political guy than HBK LOL. Shooting ability means 0, though I know Michaels can handle himself fine. I have seen plenty of terrible Bret Hart matches (anything in WCW or Wrestlemania 11). Hart wrestled Flair in 1992 and it stunk. Michaels wrestled Flair 16 years later and it was great. Michaels wins based on that alone. Check out a Mike Graham shoot about what political scum Benoit was. Now, I am done with you on HBK and this video.
MRobert21 5 months ago
One of the best matches ever!
TheGodsofthunder 2 years ago
The fact that neither of these guys are in The Hall of Fame is a shame.
johnnyflocko 2 years ago