@ww321 Are you kidding? Civil war soldiers were climbing over themselves to get their hands on these (if they could afford them). This if for the exact reason you saw, the quick cylinder change,. Also it has a nice strong frame compared to the Colt models of the same era. Then when catridges were more popular, they sold conversion cylinders for these to fire .45 LC (You can get modern conversion cylinders to shoot .45 LC still).
Great Video! I collect single actions, and I'm looking at the Uberti 1858 Conv in 45 Long Colt. There seems to be a loading hatch, but without a gate. Do you use a rod to extract the shells, or is this gun strictly cylinder exchange? Thanks.
It can be easy with a clean, well lubricated weapon. (I reckon i cannot do it as easily with mine.) But I know that it is far more difficult after emptying one or two cylinders.
Black powder soot tends to fill up the small space between the axis and the cylinder.
@damocsell I will try by adding significantly more lube. But i'm not that sure it will be enough. What kind of lubricant do you use ? I don't use WD40, because i don't like its smell. I'd rather use liquid Petroleum jelly (i dont know if it's the way it is called in english. In French, it's called Huile de Vaseline.)
@therewk for above the ball i use a mix of lard and beeswax 70/30 but the ratio changes with the seasons
if you take my advice dont ever use crisco after a period of time it turns into glue.
but the real trick is just a little dob of pure lard to the cyl pin hole every time you slide on a newly loaded cyl the lard washes the crud and re lubricates.
i have used my bullet lube mix for the cyl pin hole as well but it can cause the hammer to not strike the cap
haha I thought you were going to actually load each chamber with powder, wadding, the round and percussion cap seperately in 43 seconds. Still pretty sweet though.
@BeardedHoplite ......An 1860s Cavalry Soldier with '58 Remingtons would carry these in single or double belt pouches with no problems. This is why the nipples are recessed below the surface of the cylinder. a lot of the "New Myths" around C&B guns are formed by people who have not done a lot of research on them and because of guns that are only close to the originals....which fail to have proper safety notches and pins on them......
An 1860's cavalry soldier would load his revolver with the cartridges he was issued.
No records exist showing separate sales of cylinders by Remington or Colt, or of either army issuing them. No examples of "cylinder pouches" exist or appear in equipment returns, period ads, sutler records, photos, or drawings. Pistol cartridges, on the other hand, are everywhere.
The myth is that anyone "back-then" did this. it's a purely modern practice created by lazy reenactors.
@1stMaineCavalry So why did the Govt of the time order '58s from Rem. with special base pins that were harder to remove?.......Maybe because they were doing the speed loader thing,.....it seems easier to me to have extra Cylinders as opposed to extra pistols as others carried....Just cause you can't find a record doesn't mean it didn't happen,.....anything really good was used to pieces/ bought and taken home......bet your still part of the brown thread group Huh?...
Evidence - "If theyd'a had it theyd'a use it doen't make it true. Because some fat farb wants to burn powder as fast as he can doesn't make it history.
I suppose they had stainless steel revolvers too?
Maybe, they have Velcro and wrist watches too?
There's no record of it, so "maybe because?"
The 1860 and 1863 Army regs STATE that the soldier WAS NOT to disassemble his weapons.
@1stMaineCavalry yep govs and armies always have BS regulations does not mean it was not possible
which it obviously is watching this video.
if this firearm was fully adopted and fully utalised by either side it could have shortened the war or changed the outcome i think its an amazing piece of old tech which is still usable today for self defense or hunting.
you will notice that most of the most popular firearms( im thinking peacmaker) that came soon after look very similar.
Great brief on a classic firearm... well done, Nykodymus. Your presentation was smooth and professional... appreciate the fine work. Continued success to you. Cheers.
you seem to know your gun very well, the other guy on here said they make a "conversation" cylinder lol to shoot cartridge .45LC is this true? i dont believe him just cause of his ramblings on his video
@kilog55 Yes, I know my gun very well. Also, yes, there is a conversion cylinder. Several actually. L&D Conversion, Kirst Cartridge Conversion as well. You cna get the conversion in .45 LC or .45 ACP, at least for this revolver. Hope that helps.
@Nykodymus Just an interesting point. I think there was a Clint Eastwood movie where he used a 58 remington. Not sure if it was a cartridge converted model, but he loades a new cylinder in during one scene.
@zednotzee7 Yep.. After posting last night I went and looked it up. What he uses in the film is a converted cylinder to fire cartridges, though I do not know the make. It's something about me that I can remember firearms from certain movies and not recall the name sometimes. Well, I guess the Firearms (When historical) are what makes the movie.
@mike02601 well, FID card stands for firearm indentification card. You will need it to buy the cylinder and bullets in some states, such as MA, NY, CT, CA, VA, NC, FL and few others....And if I'm not wrong the bullets have to be black powder too.
@kilog55 yea the conversions arent limited to the .44 they work with the .36 cal too i think it uses a .38 special round, and they have a latch on the back of the cylinder that folds down you slide your ammo in and rotate the cylinder just like the original cowboy action revolvers they also have a shell pusher that takes the place of your pistols ram rod, this remington style was made to reload like it does mine is a half frame made to load from the front,
@kilog55 you could change the cylinder in the half frame like shown in the video but then you would have to pull the keeper pin and take the barrel off to remove the spent cylinder with a loaded one, its probally just a small amount of time faster than reloading them one by one but a skilled cap and ball handler can load one pretty quick once you get used to it, you get a feel for how much powder to pour in you dont need the measure anymore (still nice to have and use)
It certainly does Nyko, thanks very much for the info! Another thing I found curious about the movie is John Wayne being so surprised to see a young girl with such a huge pistol, and then when she fires it later on in the movie the guy that gets hit with it is gut shot but able to get up and run toward her and tackle her. Oh well, that's Hollywood!
@Devildog21able As the description says, its a Pietta. An no, the action has not been tuned at all. Just a great revolver thats fun to shoot and easy to clean.
I have a question I was hoping someone here could answer? In the movie "True Grit" (the 1969 version) Kim Darby's character is holding a Colt Dragoon and has it pointed at Jeff Corey. She points it, then cocks the hammer back, and then Corey's character says " You better pull that hammer ALL the way back" and then she pulls it back further. What is the purpose of having to pull it back once, then further back? Thanks!
@emjee Most single action revolvers have a two-stage hammer. The first "click" sets the cylinder to free spin so that you can load the chambers and set the nipples on black powder revolvers. On cartridge single action revolvers, it allows for loading and unloading the shells. In order to fire, the hammer has to be drawn back to the second "click" which locks the cylinder in place, and compresses the hammer spring fully to fire. Hope that helps.
@Nykodym Hi! Very nice. I wish I could afford such stuff, but it is enough to see them on youtube. emgee in a question to you referred to True Grit. The gun is a Walker. Even that big gun looked small in Waynes' hand. haha Corey acually said "all the way back until it locks". Sorry for being a smart ass, but I collect such stuff. The first line was "well you'd better cock your piece".
A two-stage hammer also sometimes provides a safety feature, whereby if the gun is knocked while at full-cock so that the sear allows the hammer to slip past, it will be caught in the half-cock notch.
@Nykodymus Generally, the last two audible clicks on a percussion Colt will be the hammer coming into Full-cock...and the last click will be the cylinder stop (or "Bolt") locking the cylinder into position.Depending slightly on how each individual revolver is "timed" you may not readily notice teh final click as it may be simultaneous with the full-cock notch. Enjoyed the vid.....from a long-time C&B shooter.
@emjee One of my favorite movies, but the gun is a Walker. Oops! I saw that in 1969 when I was 14. I only knew because I had read the Dixie Gun Works catalog from cover to cover.
Arguments about the 1858 Remington aside, I've read many times that the fastest reload for ANY cap-and-ball revolver required ANOTHER revolver, or two or three:). If I were there with a choice of weapons, well, let's see -- I'd have two Colt 1860 .44s on my belt and another two in saddle holsters. Also a Smith & Wesson .32 caliber in a shoulder holster. I've read a great many reports about the virtues of the Remington vis-a-vis the Colt, and have tried to sort through them -- read on:) --
@stevevandien Some say the Remington endured fewer cap jams, but the Colt had the better grip. Also that the Remington's skinny cylinder pin -- which facilitated reloading by replacing the cylinder -- often got so gummed-up that one couldn't cock the cylinder without helping it manually. ALSO that the Colt's enormous cylinder pin absorbed huge amounts of grease before the works became gummy and sticky. So who knows for sure? Now the Remington had a solid frame, so it was much (read on) --
@stevevandien OK, y'all, each revolver has its partisans. It all comes down to reliability, and even that approaches a question mark re. this. The Remington's solid frame/top strap prevented many cap jams. Yet the Colt, thanks to its huge cylinder pin, could endure round after round while working freely and smoothly.
@Wadkan007 I only have experience with A. Uberti, but I've heard nothing but good things about Pedersoli. With that said, I don't think you;d go wrong with either one.
ok lets see if it will work this time ok the caps will they stay on from pouch to gun it looks like they might get knocked off from pouch to gun is all.
@ballygeale1 Cabelas listed this pistol for 429.99 USD. With the custom grips from Joe Perkins, they were $305, and the conversion cylinders are $250 USD a piece. Total on this pistol alone, approx. $985 USD.
@Nykodymus You paid $305 for grips???? You mean the wood? Why didn't you just make your own for that money? The whole gun is $430 and the cylinders are $250??? All prices I have quoted are in USD.
@Rooster1Cogburn Well bud, its like this, they are hand made by a master grip maker from African Ebony. On top of that, they are inlaid with sterling silver. Hence the cost. I actually prefer this conversion to say a Cimmaron single action .45 LC. I don't know what it is, but it simply feels better and is much more accurate for me. Worth the investment this far.
@Nykodymus Then why the phuck are you concealing the grips in the video, for Christ's sake! I'd like some African IVORY grips. Like most people I dabbled in ivory trading back in the day, too bad I didn't set aside any ivory for such a project. I'm going to get one of these, I see them in the Cabelas catalog all the time. Can you recommend any other source to purchase that might be cheaper?
@Rooster1Cogburn Easy there tiger. I made this video BEFORE I had the new grips made. I've dabbled in ivory as well, and managed to hold onto a few slim scales. I am planning on knife grips though, as they are too thin for guns. In any case, I don't know of anyplace cheaper to get decent grips for the 1858 Rem's. Its not like I went out and looking for the most expensive! I simply wanted the best that I could find. I got that.
@Nykodymus I just bought one question I have been hearing .451 ball is best but it says to use .440 ball what one will work best and will .440 work cuzz I already got the ball and it fits so idk im new to this so please excuse my stupidity
Yeah. What a pain in the ass though. A royal pain. Black powder is fun and smells great. But after 4 reloads, the time and blisters just suck! So much cleaning afterwards. With filling, loading, packing and waxing, plus cleaning afterwards, it take an average of 10 minutes to pop off 6 rounds and another 10 minutes of cleaning. I have 20 spare cylinders for mine and this gun can keep up with any made after it. In accuracy and longevity as well.
Yeah, that's right. Europe has extremely strict laws on firearms. The closest you can get to a firearm here is an airgun and you may still need permission to own that in some European countries.
Sorry for the late response. I was recently in a motorcycle accident, so I've been in recovery.
At any rate, I have tried this with the percussion caps. I pinch the caps slightly, and dip them in veggie oil before plalcing them on the nipples. I've yet to have them slip off, however, they do need a bit more pressure to pull them off when they are fired.
lovely revolver, im just about to buy that model, any advice on who makes the best one? i have been told pedersoli makes the best quality, is this true?
@gixernel If you can get your hands on a Lyman 1858 Remington do it. I have owned one for 40 years (bought when I was in high school 1970) and have never had any trouble with it. They are not made any more but can be found on gun sale/trade sites like Guns America and others. Mine still after hundreds on rounds locks up like new.
@Zardoz215 thankyou for that advice, i will keep my eye out for one of those also, i have 4 muzzel loading revolvers so far, and plenty more to come, thanks.
@gixernel The beauty of the Remington 1858 is the ability to add sights, shoot conical bullets, its inherent accuracy and being able to quick change a loaded cylinder. Because of the idiotic 1968 gun control act the 1858 is not considered a gun! Im sure this would come as a shock to all the people in war and peace time in the 19th century that were shot with them. So when the government eventually comes for our guns we may still have a hard hitting alternative left.
@Zardoz215 not classed as a gun? strange! it wouldnt make any difference to our goverment, they ban anything regardless! do they make a target model? with target sights fitted? mind, i prefer them to look original myself.
When u actually shoot the first 6 shots the blackpowder residue will make it almost impossible to change the cylinders. Expecially after the 10th or 12th shot.
That is a fast reload! My question is, a #10 cap is too small and hard to press in. A #11 is a little big but sits good. The problem is, even if I crimp the cap to make it tight, a few of them drops inside and jams the lockwork as you fire. How do you keep those spent caps from falling in without having to raise the revolver and shaking them off?
Sorry for the late response. I use a dab of veggie oil on the caps before I fit them to nipple. Creates a nice seal, and a suction effect which keeps them in place, even after firing.
@Nykodymus never thought of that... I just gave them a small pinch just before installing, gave them a little more drag so they normally didn't lock things up.
I've shot both the Colt 1851 and 1860 BP revolvers and had a lot of fun with them. I could never, ever load one with a new cylinder very quickly because of the frame block used to hold them together.
The 1858 New Army is the only one that I've successfully quick cylinder changed before.
Also, the only difference that'd noticed in the blued version and the stainless version is the blued tends to be lighter, and the stainless easier to clean.
Awesome. I have the 1858 Rem in back steel. I noticed that the Stainless steel version is significantly lighter. Have you shot the Black steel version and how do you think the two weapons compare? Thanks.
Impressive. By almost all accounts, Colt percussion revolvers were damn good. But you couldn't reload one nearly as fast as a Remington. Removing a Colt cylinder required removing the barrel first. Try that in combat:). Not surprising that Confederate cavalrymen often carried at least two Colts and sometimes as many as four -- don't know if Union soldiers did the same. Of course, Yankees wouldn't need additional revolvers with a Remington and a couple extra cylinders --
removing a colt cylinder isn't all that hard, so long as your wedge isn't jammed in badly. And the Remington 1858 wasn't issued to anyone in the military, just the colts. The 1858 was used as a private purchase weapon by some of the richer soldiers, both sides.
I forgot to mention, the colt cylinder axis can actually be used to load the revolver if you don't have a ramrod on it, they were designed with the intention of removing the cylinder.
How quickly do you think a Colt cylinder could be removed and replaced? Could it retain that speed under combat conditions? Not trying to start a fight; I'm just curious:) --
The same can be said for a magazine too. The magazine will be a little faster, but not a lot. In close range, you not suppose to try to reload. You will get killed no mater magazine or cylinder. You are suppose to pull a knife or use the butt of the weapon.
One problem i encounter while shooting is that by the 12th or 15th it's very difficult to get the spare cylinder out because of the blackpowder residue around the barrel and cylinder.
So am I correct that this has to be done at about "quarter cock"? On my 1858, by half cock the pawl is sticking out. Seems like you have to get the amount of hammer pull down. (Worried that a slip could lead to a potential misfire with a misaligned cylinder. Not a good situation.)
i got one of this that i won of my uncle playing cards, how much does this gun go for??? my pietta aint crome like urs mines brass with wooden handels
About 150 to 200, You should definately consider the Kirst Konversion kit for it, that way you don't have to load bp rounds, you can fire 45 long colt.
did they reload this way in the civil war?
swaterik1986 1 month ago
Why conversion cylinders so expensive?
9piecewood 1 month ago
I'm surprised the 1858 wasn't anymore popular then it was . I guess 6 rounds was a lot back then ?
ww321 3 months ago
@ww321 Are you kidding? Civil war soldiers were climbing over themselves to get their hands on these (if they could afford them). This if for the exact reason you saw, the quick cylinder change,. Also it has a nice strong frame compared to the Colt models of the same era. Then when catridges were more popular, they sold conversion cylinders for these to fire .45 LC (You can get modern conversion cylinders to shoot .45 LC still).
Vincerama 2 months ago
@Vincerama I guess thats probably true . With limited production and the cost at that time too.
ww321 2 months ago
Where did you get the extra cylinders and how much did they cost? I love the set up you have. Thanks.
satorres82 3 months ago
@satorres82 Cylinders, get them at Cabelas, about $50
Vincerama 2 months ago
Holy crap what i nice gun, how much and where can i get one, or two?
420yendal 3 months ago
The technology of the old west, It is single action army and they had removeable cylinders!
xD
CSnakeV 3 months ago
Great Video! I collect single actions, and I'm looking at the Uberti 1858 Conv in 45 Long Colt. There seems to be a loading hatch, but without a gate. Do you use a rod to extract the shells, or is this gun strictly cylinder exchange? Thanks.
Spiderwire7777 3 months ago
oldwest gun ! beautiful !
maroth3 4 months ago
It can be easy with a clean, well lubricated weapon. (I reckon i cannot do it as easily with mine.) But I know that it is far more difficult after emptying one or two cylinders.
Black powder soot tends to fill up the small space between the axis and the cylinder.
therewk 4 months ago
@therewk the trick to reliable cyl change after firing is in the lubrication if you lube and load it right it will keep
going shot after shot after shot i think im at about 250-300 now without a proper clean.
damocsell 3 months ago
@damocsell I will try by adding significantly more lube. But i'm not that sure it will be enough. What kind of lubricant do you use ? I don't use WD40, because i don't like its smell. I'd rather use liquid Petroleum jelly (i dont know if it's the way it is called in english. In French, it's called Huile de Vaseline.)
therewk 3 months ago
@therewk for above the ball i use a mix of lard and beeswax 70/30 but the ratio changes with the seasons
if you take my advice dont ever use crisco after a period of time it turns into glue.
but the real trick is just a little dob of pure lard to the cyl pin hole every time you slide on a newly loaded cyl the lard washes the crud and re lubricates.
i have used my bullet lube mix for the cyl pin hole as well but it can cause the hammer to not strike the cap
if conditions are cool.
damocsell 3 months ago
@therewk also have a look at my channel i did an experiment changing out 4 cyl in a row using my
"secret formulae" for lube lol. before i worked out the lube trick i would be lucky to get 2 before i could not
remove the cyl pin
damocsell 3 months ago
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crazydriver1978 4 months ago
what a nice piece of art (the gun)
Crylhound 6 months ago
haha I thought you were going to actually load each chamber with powder, wadding, the round and percussion cap seperately in 43 seconds. Still pretty sweet though.
Grungadin 6 months ago
What happens when you empty Cyl. #2? ......
GMG268 7 months ago
wwwDOTtheopenrangeDOTnet/forum/indexDOTphp?topic=326DOT0 I use These,....(Replace the 4 DOTs with . )
GMG268 7 months ago
That's a good idea. Only problem is that you would have to carry a couple of black powder bombs in your pocket.
BeardedHoplite 7 months ago
@BeardedHoplite ......An 1860s Cavalry Soldier with '58 Remingtons would carry these in single or double belt pouches with no problems. This is why the nipples are recessed below the surface of the cylinder. a lot of the "New Myths" around C&B guns are formed by people who have not done a lot of research on them and because of guns that are only close to the originals....which fail to have proper safety notches and pins on them......
GMG268 7 months ago
An 1860's cavalry soldier would load his revolver with the cartridges he was issued.
No records exist showing separate sales of cylinders by Remington or Colt, or of either army issuing them. No examples of "cylinder pouches" exist or appear in equipment returns, period ads, sutler records, photos, or drawings. Pistol cartridges, on the other hand, are everywhere.
The myth is that anyone "back-then" did this. it's a purely modern practice created by lazy reenactors.
1stMaineCavalry 5 months ago
@1stMaineCavalry So why did the Govt of the time order '58s from Rem. with special base pins that were harder to remove?.......Maybe because they were doing the speed loader thing,.....it seems easier to me to have extra Cylinders as opposed to extra pistols as others carried....Just cause you can't find a record doesn't mean it didn't happen,.....anything really good was used to pieces/ bought and taken home......bet your still part of the brown thread group Huh?...
GMG268 5 months ago
"Maybe because"
Evidence - "If theyd'a had it theyd'a use it doen't make it true. Because some fat farb wants to burn powder as fast as he can doesn't make it history.
I suppose they had stainless steel revolvers too?
Maybe, they have Velcro and wrist watches too?
There's no record of it, so "maybe because?"
The 1860 and 1863 Army regs STATE that the soldier WAS NOT to disassemble his weapons.
1stMaineCavalry 5 months ago
@1stMaineCavalry yep govs and armies always have BS regulations does not mean it was not possible
which it obviously is watching this video.
if this firearm was fully adopted and fully utalised by either side it could have shortened the war or changed the outcome i think its an amazing piece of old tech which is still usable today for self defense or hunting.
you will notice that most of the most popular firearms( im thinking peacmaker) that came soon after look very similar.
damocsell 3 months ago
jetloader is cheaper and easyer than have another barrel...
russotragik 7 months ago
@russotragik you do realize that this is a black powder revolver, right?
ironman052992 7 months ago
Pull, Drop.
That was easy ! XD
BaalsJurisdiction 7 months ago
Great brief on a classic firearm... well done, Nykodymus. Your presentation was smooth and professional... appreciate the fine work. Continued success to you. Cheers.
forsakyn1 8 months ago
Did u say they were accurate? Mine won't shoot shit at more than 20 yards
foxhunter3211 8 months ago
im in love with this gun
adudenamedandrei 8 months ago
they are great fun and accurate, i use mine to hunt rabbit and partridge
ninja6kid 8 months ago
That's just as fast as loading a modern revolver..Nice
CosmicDestroyer99 8 months ago
I hope someone can answer this. Is there much of a chance of a percussion cap falling off when its being carried as a quick load spare?
AtholAnderson 8 months ago
you sound like billy bob thornton
lukewilliams010 9 months ago
That is a beautiful pistol. I'm usually not such a fan of nickel plating but it looks very classy there.
Mayes041 9 months ago
Can this be done with most Colt cap-and-ball revolvers? Is there a chance of the percussion cap getting dislodged in the operation?
HaNsWiDjAjA 10 months ago
Great video, I think I need to get a few spare cylinders for my 1858
SitsinShadow 10 months ago
My first revolver is an M1895 Nagant... it hurts to watch this video lol
NormanMatchem 10 months ago
HOLY SHIT! I would not want to face you in a showdown at high noon LOL Great video and beautiful revolver. Is that a Pietta stainless steel?
Rachen30 11 months ago
you seem to know your gun very well, the other guy on here said they make a "conversation" cylinder lol to shoot cartridge .45LC is this true? i dont believe him just cause of his ramblings on his video
kilog55 11 months ago
@kilog55 Yes, I know my gun very well. Also, yes, there is a conversion cylinder. Several actually. L&D Conversion, Kirst Cartridge Conversion as well. You cna get the conversion in .45 LC or .45 ACP, at least for this revolver. Hope that helps.
Nykodymus 11 months ago
@Nykodymus
appreciate it thanks
kilog55 11 months ago
@Nykodymus Just an interesting point. I think there was a Clint Eastwood movie where he used a 58 remington. Not sure if it was a cartridge converted model, but he loades a new cylinder in during one scene.
TheFoundersWereRight 11 months ago
@TheFoundersWereRight The film was called Pale Rider
zednotzee7 11 months ago
@zednotzee7 Yep.. After posting last night I went and looked it up. What he uses in the film is a converted cylinder to fire cartridges, though I do not know the make. It's something about me that I can remember firearms from certain movies and not recall the name sometimes. Well, I guess the Firearms (When historical) are what makes the movie.
TheFoundersWereRight 11 months ago
@TheFoundersWereRight
That scene was in "Pale Rider."
davemarkowitz 11 months ago
@davemarkowitz Yep, We already covered that one. If you look in my last post, I had gone online and looked it up after posting the original comment.
TheFoundersWereRight 10 months ago
@TheFoundersWereRight I was trying to find out which movie that scene is in also.
TheHarleyhillbilly 10 months ago
@TheHarleyhillbilly The movie is Pale Rider
MrUptown714 10 months ago
@MrUptown714 Thanks
TheHarleyhillbilly 10 months ago
@kilog55 They do make a conversion cylinder, but you would need a FID card to buy it . Check it out at cabellas.com
mike02601 8 months ago
@mike02601 yes ive seen them but anyone can buy them you dont need a FID card whatever that is
kilog55 8 months ago
@mike02601 well, FID card stands for firearm indentification card. You will need it to buy the cylinder and bullets in some states, such as MA, NY, CT, CA, VA, NC, FL and few others....And if I'm not wrong the bullets have to be black powder too.
mike02601 8 months ago
@kilog55 yea the conversions arent limited to the .44 they work with the .36 cal too i think it uses a .38 special round, and they have a latch on the back of the cylinder that folds down you slide your ammo in and rotate the cylinder just like the original cowboy action revolvers they also have a shell pusher that takes the place of your pistols ram rod, this remington style was made to reload like it does mine is a half frame made to load from the front,
BlltPrffAsssn 2 months ago
@kilog55 you could change the cylinder in the half frame like shown in the video but then you would have to pull the keeper pin and take the barrel off to remove the spent cylinder with a loaded one, its probally just a small amount of time faster than reloading them one by one but a skilled cap and ball handler can load one pretty quick once you get used to it, you get a feel for how much powder to pour in you dont need the measure anymore (still nice to have and use)
BlltPrffAsssn 2 months ago
It certainly does Nyko, thanks very much for the info! Another thing I found curious about the movie is John Wayne being so surprised to see a young girl with such a huge pistol, and then when she fires it later on in the movie the guy that gets hit with it is gut shot but able to get up and run toward her and tackle her. Oh well, that's Hollywood!
emjee 1 year ago
Very nice!......I will be looking for one of these........Thanks
Devildog21able 1 year ago
Thats pretty fast!..............Your revolver looks like it works smooth,
who manufactured it. Has it had any tune up on the action?...
I am looking at getting one, particularly fond of the 1858....Thanks
Devildog21able 1 year ago
@Devildog21able As the description says, its a Pietta. An no, the action has not been tuned at all. Just a great revolver thats fun to shoot and easy to clean.
Nykodymus 1 year ago
I have a question I was hoping someone here could answer? In the movie "True Grit" (the 1969 version) Kim Darby's character is holding a Colt Dragoon and has it pointed at Jeff Corey. She points it, then cocks the hammer back, and then Corey's character says " You better pull that hammer ALL the way back" and then she pulls it back further. What is the purpose of having to pull it back once, then further back? Thanks!
emjee 1 year ago
@emjee Most single action revolvers have a two-stage hammer. The first "click" sets the cylinder to free spin so that you can load the chambers and set the nipples on black powder revolvers. On cartridge single action revolvers, it allows for loading and unloading the shells. In order to fire, the hammer has to be drawn back to the second "click" which locks the cylinder in place, and compresses the hammer spring fully to fire. Hope that helps.
Nykodymus 1 year ago 3
@Nykodym Hi! Very nice. I wish I could afford such stuff, but it is enough to see them on youtube. emgee in a question to you referred to True Grit. The gun is a Walker. Even that big gun looked small in Waynes' hand. haha Corey acually said "all the way back until it locks". Sorry for being a smart ass, but I collect such stuff. The first line was "well you'd better cock your piece".
madisonelectronic 8 months ago
@Nykodymus
A two-stage hammer also sometimes provides a safety feature, whereby if the gun is knocked while at full-cock so that the sear allows the hammer to slip past, it will be caught in the half-cock notch.
lordsummerisle87 6 months ago
@Nykodymus The gun was a Colt Walker, which makes a nice trivia question.
madisonelectronic 2 months ago
@Nykodymus Generally, the last two audible clicks on a percussion Colt will be the hammer coming into Full-cock...and the last click will be the cylinder stop (or "Bolt") locking the cylinder into position.Depending slightly on how each individual revolver is "timed" you may not readily notice teh final click as it may be simultaneous with the full-cock notch. Enjoyed the vid.....from a long-time C&B shooter.
hotgunz 1 week ago
@emjee One of my favorite movies, but the gun is a Walker. Oops! I saw that in 1969 when I was 14. I only knew because I had read the Dixie Gun Works catalog from cover to cover.
madisonelectronic 8 months ago
@emjee It was a Colt Walker. A nice film mistake.
madisonelectronic 2 months ago
@emjee Also the trigger is locked in place when the hammer is in the "half cock" position so you wont be able to pull it and release the hammer.
blaketheawesomedude 2 months ago
i DIG!
goodnightChesty1775 1 year ago
Arguments about the 1858 Remington aside, I've read many times that the fastest reload for ANY cap-and-ball revolver required ANOTHER revolver, or two or three:). If I were there with a choice of weapons, well, let's see -- I'd have two Colt 1860 .44s on my belt and another two in saddle holsters. Also a Smith & Wesson .32 caliber in a shoulder holster. I've read a great many reports about the virtues of the Remington vis-a-vis the Colt, and have tried to sort through them -- read on:) --
stevevandien 1 year ago
@stevevandien Some say the Remington endured fewer cap jams, but the Colt had the better grip. Also that the Remington's skinny cylinder pin -- which facilitated reloading by replacing the cylinder -- often got so gummed-up that one couldn't cock the cylinder without helping it manually. ALSO that the Colt's enormous cylinder pin absorbed huge amounts of grease before the works became gummy and sticky. So who knows for sure? Now the Remington had a solid frame, so it was much (read on) --
stevevandien 1 year ago
@stevevandien OK, y'all, each revolver has its partisans. It all comes down to reliability, and even that approaches a question mark re. this. The Remington's solid frame/top strap prevented many cap jams. Yet the Colt, thanks to its huge cylinder pin, could endure round after round while working freely and smoothly.
stevevandien 1 year ago
@stevevandien with the correct lubing the problem of the cyl jamming is solved ive got a couple of colts
as well and there is nothing worse than the bloody caps blowing off and jamming under the hammer.
the remington was way ahead of its time
im at nearly 100 shots out of mine with nothing more than wiping of the excess grease off
i cant hardly get through a full cyl out of the colts without a jam
damocsell 1 year ago
dear santa...
xxwesdogxx 1 year ago
@xxwesdogxx "NO!" said santa.
pantherxx010 1 year ago
Cool. Now I want to see it in action. Shoot one cylinder and then switch and shoot the next.
TheManFromAlaska 1 year ago
@TheManFromAlaska Me too:).
stevevandien 1 year ago
Is this black powder and cowboy cartridges only?
Makingnewnamesisdumb 1 year ago
Does this same process work on the cartridge conversion models?
sfsmedic 1 year ago
@sfsmedic Yes, but only if you are using the RD Conversion Cylinders. If you are using a semi-perm conversion with the loading gate, them no.
Nykodymus 1 year ago
Pedersoli or A.Uberti is better
Wadkan007 1 year ago
@Wadkan007 I only have experience with A. Uberti, but I've heard nothing but good things about Pedersoli. With that said, I don't think you;d go wrong with either one.
Nykodymus 1 year ago
@Nykodymus Did you get this from Cabales with that finish job on it?
ImWatchinTheTube 1 year ago
Beast
MrMp5k 1 year ago
nice gun
9806mani 1 year ago
Why didn't more revolvers of the time have those you think?
LieutenantIDan 1 year ago
cool loading video
HunterTom3006 1 year ago
Damn nice looking gun
Nick3889 1 year ago
Not so easy after six shots....
sws674widowmaker 1 year ago
yeah you should try doing this with an original 1858 remington new model army its alot harder
eagle4095 1 year ago
That's a purty piece.
fatsachs 1 year ago
Sweet, might have to pick one of those up to go with my Colt Navy.
jonskowitz 1 year ago
ok lets see if it will work this time ok the caps will they stay on from pouch to gun it looks like they might get knocked off from pouch to gun is all.
GUNS4MIKE1234 1 year ago
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GUNS4MIKE1234 1 year ago
well done
weaponeer 1 year ago
single action?
made2surf17 1 year ago
@made2surf17 Yes
Nykodymus 1 year ago
Awesome!!! reminds me of clint eastwood.
elijahbalong 1 year ago
that is such an advantage over other cap and ball revolvers
macronaria 1 year ago
@macronaria That is a cap and ball revolver. The Remington just had a much better system for switching out cylinders than the Colt models did.
chardtomp 1 year ago
@chardtomp I am aware of this.
macronaria 1 year ago
You've clearly seen Pale Rider :D
norwegianwiking 1 year ago
how much is that gun worth ?
ballygeale1 1 year ago
@ballygeale1 Cabelas listed this pistol for 429.99 USD. With the custom grips from Joe Perkins, they were $305, and the conversion cylinders are $250 USD a piece. Total on this pistol alone, approx. $985 USD.
Nykodymus 1 year ago
@Nykodymus thats how much i got my kimber for
RevolverLover101 1 year ago
@Nykodymus $985? worth every penny i wish mine looked as nice as that
kyler288 1 year ago
@Nykodymus You paid $305 for grips???? You mean the wood? Why didn't you just make your own for that money? The whole gun is $430 and the cylinders are $250??? All prices I have quoted are in USD.
Rooster1Cogburn 1 year ago
@Rooster1Cogburn Well bud, its like this, they are hand made by a master grip maker from African Ebony. On top of that, they are inlaid with sterling silver. Hence the cost. I actually prefer this conversion to say a Cimmaron single action .45 LC. I don't know what it is, but it simply feels better and is much more accurate for me. Worth the investment this far.
Nykodymus 1 year ago
@Nykodymus Then why the phuck are you concealing the grips in the video, for Christ's sake! I'd like some African IVORY grips. Like most people I dabbled in ivory trading back in the day, too bad I didn't set aside any ivory for such a project. I'm going to get one of these, I see them in the Cabelas catalog all the time. Can you recommend any other source to purchase that might be cheaper?
Rooster1Cogburn 1 year ago
@Rooster1Cogburn Easy there tiger. I made this video BEFORE I had the new grips made. I've dabbled in ivory as well, and managed to hold onto a few slim scales. I am planning on knife grips though, as they are too thin for guns. In any case, I don't know of anyplace cheaper to get decent grips for the 1858 Rem's. Its not like I went out and looking for the most expensive! I simply wanted the best that I could find. I got that.
Nykodymus 1 year ago
That makes a single Action Army look slow. Practically, just like changing a mag.
Jdog5785 1 year ago
man, I WILL get that gun for myself eventually. Pale Rider is just epic and wouldn't be without that gun. I love it!
aaoorr12 1 year ago
I .bought mine used with no instruction same name and model,what's the max and min powder charge on this gun.
coldpak82 1 year ago
@coldpak82 I don't have one but I intend to. From what I've read so far, it goes from 1g (apperently equivelant to a case of 9mm para) up to 2.2g.
zepedrofd 1 year ago
Wow, that is a FAST reload...great idea!
ffeijdrug 1 year ago
that is a NICE version of the 1858- where'd you find that
1x93cm 1 year ago
@1x93cm I got mine second hand. I think the original owner bought it at Cabela's,
Nykodymus 1 year ago
@Nykodymus I just bought one question I have been hearing .451 ball is best but it says to use .440 ball what one will work best and will .440 work cuzz I already got the ball and it fits so idk im new to this so please excuse my stupidity
GUNS4MIKE1234 1 year ago
Stainless steel Remington NICE cheaper then the colt if im correct
Nick3889 1 year ago
To those of you who dont "just happen" to know a spare stainless steel cylinder costs about 60$ each and loaded weighs in at just over a pound ...
phylor5333 1 year ago
Can you use a smokeless for black load, may help with the fouling.
2771 2 years ago
Yeah. What a pain in the ass though. A royal pain. Black powder is fun and smells great. But after 4 reloads, the time and blisters just suck! So much cleaning afterwards. With filling, loading, packing and waxing, plus cleaning afterwards, it take an average of 10 minutes to pop off 6 rounds and another 10 minutes of cleaning. I have 20 spare cylinders for mine and this gun can keep up with any made after it. In accuracy and longevity as well.
evesplittheatom 1 year ago
@2771 Don't use anything but black powder or a black powder substitute.
shortstop48873 1 year ago
It can be done but you must lube the cylinder pin first. It was done in combat during the civil war it can be done at the range too.
Zardoz215 2 years ago
Yeah, that's right. Europe has extremely strict laws on firearms. The closest you can get to a firearm here is an airgun and you may still need permission to own that in some European countries.
kattowitz4 2 years ago
Hello,
very difficult. We have very strict laws. I was waiting 6 Month for my S &W 357, Modell 686,
and I HAVE TO TRAIN every week, if not, you have to sell the gun.
Look to England: In the year 1998 the government took all the private guns of 8 millions weapon.owners away.
The reason was the massacre in dunblane.
Its not nice to live in Europe, when you like the shooting sport.
Best wishes to USA
R.
INUIT3333 2 years ago
do it with percussion caps on, and see how well that works out for you.
xkjdhdglksh 2 years ago
Sorry for the late response. I was recently in a motorcycle accident, so I've been in recovery.
At any rate, I have tried this with the percussion caps. I pinch the caps slightly, and dip them in veggie oil before plalcing them on the nipples. I've yet to have them slip off, however, they do need a bit more pressure to pull them off when they are fired.
Nykodymus 1 year ago
why would you need it to be that fast? lol, are you gonna conceal carry that particular firearm?! :)
GunFreak270 2 years ago
lovely revolver, im just about to buy that model, any advice on who makes the best one? i have been told pedersoli makes the best quality, is this true?
gixernel 2 years ago
@gixernel If you can get your hands on a Lyman 1858 Remington do it. I have owned one for 40 years (bought when I was in high school 1970) and have never had any trouble with it. They are not made any more but can be found on gun sale/trade sites like Guns America and others. Mine still after hundreds on rounds locks up like new.
Zardoz215 2 years ago
@Zardoz215 thankyou for that advice, i will keep my eye out for one of those also, i have 4 muzzel loading revolvers so far, and plenty more to come, thanks.
gixernel 2 years ago
@gixernel The beauty of the Remington 1858 is the ability to add sights, shoot conical bullets, its inherent accuracy and being able to quick change a loaded cylinder. Because of the idiotic 1968 gun control act the 1858 is not considered a gun! Im sure this would come as a shock to all the people in war and peace time in the 19th century that were shot with them. So when the government eventually comes for our guns we may still have a hard hitting alternative left.
Zardoz215 2 years ago
@Zardoz215 not classed as a gun? strange! it wouldnt make any difference to our goverment, they ban anything regardless! do they make a target model? with target sights fitted? mind, i prefer them to look original myself.
gixernel 2 years ago
I have wanted one since.... Well... Forever and ever and ever.
evesplittheatom 1 year ago
Cool vid, the Remington looks nice in stainless.
I got one in blue steel, made by Armi San Marco.
Keep on firin'.
Greetz from germany
SharpsShootist 2 years ago
beautiful gun man, i've always wanted a pearl grip black powder
psuedofakerable 2 years ago
oh wow that is a very nice firearm.
klown8745 2 years ago
that is a fuckin dope relolver
fivestars20 2 years ago
thanks for the demonstration. I was just wondering if barrel was easy to change.
Je me renseigne sur la poudre noire sur les forums since quelques days but youtube is really une bonne source d'information now, as good as forum
2GoodKarma 2 years ago
COOL! I bet Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show would love to have you on the team!
I have the blued steel version, and it is such a beautiful gun!
Rachen30 2 years ago
Yes u can reload it fast lilke that but.......
When u actually shoot the first 6 shots the blackpowder residue will make it almost impossible to change the cylinders. Expecially after the 10th or 12th shot.
HunterTom3006 2 years ago
Excellent! Thanks!
blacksheepwall79 2 years ago
That is a fast reload! My question is, a #10 cap is too small and hard to press in. A #11 is a little big but sits good. The problem is, even if I crimp the cap to make it tight, a few of them drops inside and jams the lockwork as you fire. How do you keep those spent caps from falling in without having to raise the revolver and shaking them off?
hoplophobiadoctor 2 years ago
Sorry for the late response. I use a dab of veggie oil on the caps before I fit them to nipple. Creates a nice seal, and a suction effect which keeps them in place, even after firing.
Nykodymus 1 year ago
@Nykodymus never thought of that... I just gave them a small pinch just before installing, gave them a little more drag so they normally didn't lock things up.
weaponeer 1 year ago
Hey Josey Wales!
hoplophobiadoctor 2 years ago
Josey Wales used a pair of Colt Walkers, if memory serves.
CountArtha 2 years ago
Do you half cock it? Mine is a Navy 1851. It's an open top. If I pull the cylinder pin out, I have the gun in two pieces.
hoplophobiadoctor 2 years ago
I've shot both the Colt 1851 and 1860 BP revolvers and had a lot of fun with them. I could never, ever load one with a new cylinder very quickly because of the frame block used to hold them together.
The 1858 New Army is the only one that I've successfully quick cylinder changed before.
Also, the only difference that'd noticed in the blued version and the stainless version is the blued tends to be lighter, and the stainless easier to clean.
Nykodymus 2 years ago
Awesome. I have the 1858 Rem in back steel. I noticed that the Stainless steel version is significantly lighter. Have you shot the Black steel version and how do you think the two weapons compare? Thanks.
tsafa1 2 years ago
The 1858 Remington is the best cap&ball pistol there is in my opinion. I even like it more than my Ruger Old Army.
GunOwnerDan 2 years ago
Impressive. By almost all accounts, Colt percussion revolvers were damn good. But you couldn't reload one nearly as fast as a Remington. Removing a Colt cylinder required removing the barrel first. Try that in combat:). Not surprising that Confederate cavalrymen often carried at least two Colts and sometimes as many as four -- don't know if Union soldiers did the same. Of course, Yankees wouldn't need additional revolvers with a Remington and a couple extra cylinders --
stevevandien 2 years ago
removing a colt cylinder isn't all that hard, so long as your wedge isn't jammed in badly. And the Remington 1858 wasn't issued to anyone in the military, just the colts. The 1858 was used as a private purchase weapon by some of the richer soldiers, both sides.
RE1206 2 years ago
I forgot to mention, the colt cylinder axis can actually be used to load the revolver if you don't have a ramrod on it, they were designed with the intention of removing the cylinder.
RE1206 2 years ago
How quickly do you think a Colt cylinder could be removed and replaced? Could it retain that speed under combat conditions? Not trying to start a fight; I'm just curious:) --
stevevandien 2 years ago
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RE1206 2 years ago
It isn't as fast as the Remington swap, but it isn't nearly as cumbersome as most will have you believe.
RE1206 2 years ago
The same can be said for a magazine too. The magazine will be a little faster, but not a lot. In close range, you not suppose to try to reload. You will get killed no mater magazine or cylinder. You are suppose to pull a knife or use the butt of the weapon.
tsafa1 2 years ago
My last reply is for Stevevandien.
tsafa1 2 years ago
DirtySanchez!!! faahhhkkk!!!
jsbikertrash 2 years ago
using cylinders as magazines is not the most economical idea :D
but carrying a spare cylinder to use as a magazine is quite smart especially for the old revolvers that dont have a frame-break or swing-out cylinder
DestroyerAlexandros 2 years ago
As seen in the movie "The Pale Rider" with Clint Eastwood. AFAIK the only movie that show the changing of a 1858 Remington cylinder ever.
Rothirsch 2 years ago 10
This is absolutely right! I myself own a 1858 like the Author of that clip has.
Greetings from Southwest-Germany!
INUIT3333 2 years ago
@Rothirsch i guess that changing the Cylinder is nothing you would do on a regular basis back in the old days...
LutzDerLurch 1 year ago
Good video, no BS just down to the facts, nice cam angle everything in focus. 10/10 my man !
depoty 2 years ago 14
One problem i encounter while shooting is that by the 12th or 15th it's very difficult to get the spare cylinder out because of the blackpowder residue around the barrel and cylinder.
HunterTom3006 2 years ago
So am I correct that this has to be done at about "quarter cock"? On my 1858, by half cock the pawl is sticking out. Seems like you have to get the amount of hammer pull down. (Worried that a slip could lead to a potential misfire with a misaligned cylinder. Not a good situation.)
flmason 2 years ago
Yes, you are correct. It was done at about 1/4 cock. Just enough to disengage the pawl, and the ratchet arm.
Nykodymus 2 years ago
LAME
mdawgg13 2 years ago
coooool
commandersqwigly 2 years ago 2
i got one of this that i won of my uncle playing cards, how much does this gun go for??? my pietta aint crome like urs mines brass with wooden handels
pomonasss 2 years ago
About 150 to 200, You should definately consider the Kirst Konversion kit for it, that way you don't have to load bp rounds, you can fire 45 long colt.
RedSuit1 2 years ago
Awesome.
amdinga 2 years ago