You have a great design, one suggestion is to extend the height to reduce the foaming and find a nice level of consumption of amps to have a consistent flow also you may wish to insulate the plates from the top therefore isolating the resistance to the reaction chamber which is immersed. There is something else you may wish to attempt - introduce the plates from the sides under the chamber and utilize an "S" honeycomb chamber with a return tube or a miniature radiator design to prevent foam.
i want to say target u mess up every thing by your ads at 15 secs at a time do u really want to keep me away from your store your doing it by these ads jk 12 2010
If the poles inside the tube creates a spark you will have create a bomb,insulate your contacts before you hurt yourself,other then that it's a great comcept and great idea..try to build a smaller unit for cars..if the unit is to big and installed in a car you be sitting on a bomb,by useing several small chambers this will be more safe for the use in cars,the Hydro gas need to leave the chamber quickly to not be a dangerous device,if you lite a match,you will see what I am talking about
@FireFoxKing12 It is just plastic wrap, held in place by a PVC fitting with a PVC collar over it that fits tightly. It also make a convenient way to refill.
If I am understanding it correctly, you have a greater HH0 output at the moment of start up. If ths is so, try to do a circuit to give impulses to the cell instead of dc (even instead of PWM). Than, to control the flow, you can control the number of impulses per second.
I invented a breakthrough source of energy that violates the law of conservation of energy. I have a PROOF that there are phenomena which violate the law of conservation of energy. I am looking for $6M for a prototype and patents.
I invented a breakthrough source of energy that violates the law of conservation of energy. I have a PROOF that there are phenomena which violate the law of conservation of energy. I am looking for $6M for a prototype and patents.
I invented a breakthrough renewable source of energy that violates the law of energy conservation. I have a proof that there are phenomena that violate the law of energy conservation. I am looking for $6M for a prototype and patents.
I invented a breakthrough renewable source of energy that violates the law of energy conservation. I have a proof that there are phenomena that violate the law of energy conservation. I am looking for $6M for a prototype and patents.
I'm just wondering Zero... do you have a sell price? That is, if you discovered something amazing that would solve our energy woes, would you sell out?
What are your convictions? It's just that so many brilliant minds in times past have sold out their brilliance to the highest bidder and as a result, the corporations have got rich, while humanity has suffered.
I'm just wondering if someone came up and gave you a check with $1,000,000,000 on it for your inventions, would you take it?
Well it's inspiring to know that you are not one of the ignorant, fearful, or power hungry men who would willfully destroy such knowledge.
I think your vision of the future might not quite be attainable though. Given the rather slight energy density of uncompressed HHO, I think it's probably impossible to provide as much energy as you mentioned on your website.
Nevertheless... keep at it. I strongly hope that somebody proves me wrong! I look forward to the day!
You can get a foam material from a high performance shop that they use in racing fuel cells, But you must clean it very good first in vinegar then sodium hydroxide ,over night to let any impurity out ,for if you don't ,you will get your shear of rust! Comes in all different colors.
hi Zero fossil fuel, nice unit, i am building the same type at present zero, can you tell me what you used to seal the base, i am useing silicone, top quality with {-40c to +200c} this should do fine, what you think zero, any advice on that would be cool zero.
About the foam. I was thinking of the air filters you find in some of the old forced air furnaces. They have a very course, long strand fiber glass filter in a cardboard holder about half an inch thick.
A couple layers of this installed below the bolts, maybe right on the surface, and held down from the bolts with something wrapped arond the shrink wrap may work.
Zero Great work! I was wondering if Ohms law could be applied to the HHO circuit To find the happy medium between max gas output with minimum Heat production Ive been having trouble finding the ohm value across The terminals of my HHO cell it seams to very greatly for no reason.
I under stand That the amount of bakingsoda changes the resistance Across the terminals witch could be used for the adjustment to satisfy Ohms law. I would appreciate any comment from anybody on
how do you get such good efeicency in a cell ive got a cell i made i like to use more electrolizer so i get more gas quiker i have a 10 cell on a 12 volt battery charger pulling 40 amps i get 2.08 MMW
Zero, you might want to consider using 2 layers of window screen to filter the foam bubbles. I've done this on one of my cells, and it has worked very well.
I'd rather not create the foam in the first place. In that regard the 3M White Marine adhisive I used previously worked like a champ. I think I'm going to revert back and keep the goop for repairing my running shoes. ;-)
Hey Z, Love what you are doing here. I've watched all of your clips and soaking in alot of knowledge...thanks. Doesn't the foaming disapate under vacuum? I would think that if the engine is demanding the gas in those bubbles it would not allow them to stay in the chamber to even cause foam.
hello mate. nice work! can´t you use an anti-foam in the electrolyte? an inert one like the ones used in the production of vinegar (some types of silicon).
What are you using for electrolyte? You should not be retaining foam for that long of a time. I fear this will cause water to enter your engine very easily.
Amazing Job, Im learning more everyday. With how far the work seems to be moving along, is it worth machining the cell out of a single piece of metal? Similar to a heat sink on the top of computer processor
thats a beautiful, elegant (and well thought out) system you are building.... Note; i'm still useing all stainless; ribbon for conductor, and 3/8 feedthrough bolts... but i may reconsider! ya doin nice work!
A very nice looking cell. would it not be better to attach the power connections to the bottom of the cell.This would remove the power leads out of the gas stream.this way you would have to run the cell dry, before there is any chance of cross arcing or ignition due to heat or a design malfuction. I have found 15-20 + amps will heat up S.S. ready rod due to resistance over time. Just a thought.
Hi zerofossilfuel. I like your cell very much. Perhaps a positive pressure relief valve would be a nice feature. Brewery suppliers have nice brass pressure valves set to pop at different values. Perhaps atmospheric pressure could be another factor contributing to efficient hydroxy production. Great work so far. I have learned a lot.
i didnt use goop or any glue and it foamed up. strange thing is i did a coil setup with poor results and it didnt foam i did 5 plate and it foamed up and it was just a cell that was exposed in tank water and did same in baking soda with distilled water
Yo. Im looking to make a HHO unit and i really like your design. I had a couple questions if you dont mind answering so please email me at.... THANKS!
great work, just like to ask, how can you come up with the 5.40 mmw computation? and how much water are you using for this cell and are you using baking soda, how much?
Resonant cells. Finally. Autoresonant circuits? Not yet. Working meyer's replica would do it even if you have to keep adjusting frequency manualy. I have heard there are "universal" frequencies some 42+khz producing decent amount of HHO while ambient conditions may slightly vary without loosing production. Auto adjustment would be great but that could be the next step. Brute force is getting old and more or less perfected - lets move on to HV resonant systems. Very efficient & Very high output!
Very nice work Zero, I've seen all but a few of your videos. Thank you for doing the interviews and video of the event, that was awesome. We're keeping the fire burning, even down here in Texas.
Hey Zero great work on all your projects. I know you are moving to a dry cell but I have a chemistry background and have been in the plating industry for 22 years. I wondered if you have tried 3M platers tape. You could both seal and isolate the edges with this and it is made to withstand both alkiline and acidic environment.
Zero Here is the link to the 3m platers tape in the second post. They have variuos sizes and thickness so you could use this for both sealing of the plate edge and separation of the plates. If you see some you would like to try email me the information and I will get some for your testing.
Well as I thought youtube will not allow links so if you look on the 3M website and search the product number 1280, 1279, 1278, 851 you will see all the different types. I hope it helps.
Hello ZFF; I know u say that you are only one man, but i just got 2 know if you have had a chance to do any tests with the trapezoidal nickel plates?. Thanks.
Perhaps the excessive foam is from the Marine Goop contaminating the water. I noticed on my own cell, I had no foam the first day I tested it. The second day I got lots of foam, suggesting the electrolyte had become contaminated.
Hi ZZF, have you tried using perforated plate / mesh? I think it can supress those foam (looks like beer). Using more additive may interact with the electrolyte.
also did you change to the acrilic glue as you mentioned? this seems like more foam then in the past, oh yeah the nylon washers mentioned will give you the edges around the holes I have this in my cell now and it seems like the current leakage is a problem you might re consider
Zero, great cell, good job. Looks as efficient as you can get. Looking forward to see the results with it hooked up to your electronics... Did you look at the idea that I posted in your last video with the separate L/C circuit? I think that it would be easier to tune and keep in resonance by taking the WFC capacitance out of the equation. The waveform that I got in the simulation looked like Meyer's step-charge pulse train. Please let me know what you think. Looking forward to the show video.
Zero, Love the videos and I am looking forward to seeing more!! I started out making my unit with stainless steel ca ridge bolt with fender washers that in put inside of a 3in pvt with a sheet of stainless overing the inside, I was wondering if instead of using fe3nderwashers as the plates on a bolt should I try to sandwiching in stainless scrubby pad's to maximize the area as well as minimize the space between the anode and cathode of the cell ? What are your thoughts ?
That type cell will produce way too much heat, thus, you are wasting your time and money. You need to follow the directions shown on these videos. Use the experience that those of us that have been building and experimenting with these cells for a while, AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS. No matter how small it may seem, "minor" details can mean the difference between success and blowing up your work and/or yourself or having a very inefficient cell.
While I agree to the quality of the videos in their approach, and in the detailed thought and time thinking about these effects. I wanted to relate to underlying physics of the experiments to see if there was things that we could do in improve the results. If we merely copy processes we will get no more results better than the experiments. Taking what we know and adding to this knowledge base is what we should all strive for not just the duplication but the improvement of results.
We now have our video up for the production test of our cell. For the test we increased our temperature and got even better results. See the video under SPPACELABS. Yes there is 2 P's. Hope your weekend was interesting and productive. Can't wait to see and or hear what you found in Maryland, I think that was where you were going.
I am very interested in the new unit that you are taking to the show. It seems like what you are posting is "old technology" compared to what you friends and you are actually showing
If you dont want the foam rising up and getting to the terminals, you might be able to, somehow, drop a glass tube down over each terminal, with the tube sealed top and bottom. Then the foam can rise up and out and not hurt anything. I also second the notion of shaking the cell, to work the foam back down.
I am being told, and it's probably true, that my foam is a result of my use of the goop marine adhesive. I'm hoping it settles down after a while once the chemicals that produce the foam leach out. Otherwise I have to look at additives unless I rebuild with precision cut grooves for the acrylic.
I found that is the cell is sitting on a table not moving I get foam. If the cell is in the car and the water is sloshing around the foam disapates. Try slightly shaking your cell on the bench and you may notice the foam disapate. This is what I found others may have a different result.
I did. Doesn't work. it rises around the edges to find it's way out the barbed fitting. Maybe if I make it big enough to seal it off all the way around the circumference of the tank.
why don't you keep it running and let the form comes out of the Barbe fitting for a while... Then it will eventually produce less and less form towards something negligible.
Hi Z, first thanks for all your efforts i have gone to zero bubbles to good production because of you and others sharing your stuff. any way as to the foaming i saw a program in africa where they were plauged by mozzies from tier wells, they put a layer of polastyrene balls over the water so they coudnt lay eggs. maybe you could do something similar and have a cone shape mesh over your gas out pipe so it cant be blocked! just a thought keep them coming and thanks again. Les
Not that I mind your endless experimentation, but in the end you make it appear that this technology is a high-tech affair that is totally beyond what the average guy can do. How come you never show your gear running in a car, and how much mileage you save? I hope to see your work in some ready-to-go form at the HHO Games & Exposition, where there will be many other inventors like you.
You should re evaluate your theory on current leakage from the edges. My testing has shown that leakage current is actually greatest on the face of the plates and not on the edges of the plates. It has not been untill recently that someone has posted the results of what i have been trying to disprove with edge plate current loss. Keep up the great work.
a calculaton question: how lean? If I would like to run an engine completely on hho gas, lets say a 2l engine. It would draw 0,5l of fresh air + hho gas per round - that is at max 6000rpm = 3000l of air an hho gas per minute. How lean can the mixture be, to work, so I would know how much hho I would have to produce in order to have a full hho engine. with your cell of 5,4 ml hho per minute, per watt output I could calculate the current I need to produce. -
Running entirely on HHO would be a perpetual motion machine. The reason HHO works in gas or desil cars is that the fuel droplets burn at a much slower rate than vapor. The HHO explosion is vaporizing gas and causing more of it to explode vs burn in the cylinder. HHO makes more of the fuel explode vs burn. Burning gas is too slow to push the cylinder. The fuel mileage increase overcomes the water to gas back to water conversion loss for a net gain. No free energy, just more efficient.
I would like to go to the conference but it is a 12 hour round trip and gas is killing me. Help us, Zero. You're our only hope! Figure out how to split water, through the spark plug, during compression. Just like Stan did.
The only thing I can think of is that some kind of nebulizing effect happens in the bubbler and dense vapor vanishes when subjected to engine heat. I don't detect any vapor droplets in my tube after the bubbler or tube going into the intake. Your thoughts please.
ZERO, my cell in my vehicle closely replicates the efficiency of your zero cell. Just a little over 1 LPM, I run @ 11.75 V @ 20 Amps. My bubbler goes down about 400 ml of water @ 1 hr. of drive time. what would cause this?? I have installed a fuel filter canister catch after the bubbler as a secondary precaution for excess foam or corrosive koh vapors entering into my engine. Totally dry. Where does the bubbler water go?? I have to re-fill about every 80 miles. (bubbler only holds 750 ml)
If you have one of your lines running to direct manifold vacuum only, this will cause your water to boil away. Its not related to heat but due to differences in pressures. Example if you were to leave a space capsule in space without any space suit and float freely into the vacuum of space due to the pressure differences your blood would boil right away. Same with water and vacuum. If you have a a/c vacuum pump, test with sealed water cont and watch what happens.
The rate at witch water will boil away scot is all dependent upon how air tight your electrolizer tank is. There are ways to deal with the effects of vacuum on your electrolizer tank. Hope this sheds some light on your problem.
BTW keep it up and going ZeroFossilFuel you do all of these different designs and features and share all test results and videos and tips to us all. Great job man respect for you.
Hi zero, was just wondering if this new cell has got glue on the top and bottom between the plates, and if so how is it holding up. I was wondering if possibly some kind of paint might work, it might be necessary to rough up a small section of the plates to make it stick better. I will try it myself soon.
Thanks for posting all your research and keep up the good work.
They no longer make an alternator for any vehicle nowadays that's any less than 70 amps. The one in my truck is stock, 140. Even rebuilt older GM alternators, are more than 35. If the alternator for your old vehicle is only 35 amps, and hasn't been replaced yet. Rebuilts are retrofit to have quite a bit more power, in the exact same form factor.
But for sure, any vehicle that's newer has quite a bit more juice than 35 amps output.
This is quite true for the newer vehicles, especially those manufactured late 90s. SUVs are meant for burning more fuel, so it comes with big alternators, commonly over 200A. Additional power is needed for heating seats, windows and fancy stuff.
I was referring to the average consumer vehicle, which is not restricted to USA, having the majority of cars build before 90.
It is best to check Alternator rating of the particular vehicle, before you hook any additional loads to it.
I think my crimp connections may have been the cause of my cell exploding. Now that you mentioned it, I was using crimp connections with stranded #8 copper wire inside my cell. The issue of arcing never occured to me. I'm in the process of redesigning my system with better connections. QUESTION: Why do you need neutral plates?
Usage of Nutral plates is a clever arrangement. As an example, 5 cells series configuration only uses 6 plates. Otherwise, you will have to use 10 plates to make 5 cells.
In a 5 cell (nutral plate) configuration, if you apply 12 v on the furthermost plates, you get 12/5=2.5v in each cell. This is close to the optimal voltage you can have per cell. If you apply 12V per cell (in non nutral plate configuration), over 9V is contributing to heat and wasted.
hi zff, i will try a scotch brand scouring pad and it if works will publish the vids on my channel. nice to see you back and look forward to your future videos. fizzy
Z, what is your limit on your alternator? i see you start of at 20amps- how long and what amps are you looking before it gets too hot. very interesting. oh all of which does it stsay cool on the front of the vehicle. thanks z .
An average alternator on a consumer vehicle can draw upto 30-35 amps at maximum. 10-20 amps is already drawing by the vehicle systems, especially with headlights on. Unless you fix an extra alternator, drawing about 20 amps means driving it on its limits, which is not good for the poor thing.
I wonder if you couldn't get your hands on a small acrylic tube, a faucet aerator and some nylon screen material?
In theory, you could force the foam through a couple layers of screen material wrapped around the tube, with tiny holes drilled in, and finally through the stainless steel aerator before it can exit the chamber and flow into the bubbler.
This way, I believe there would never be enough liquid to overflow the bubbler as has happened in the past.
Not that I know for sure but. I have a feeling that bubbles caused by baking soda. Also because of the bubbles H is going back to water. I wonder if there is a alternative for baking soda?
TouchOdeath: We have to respect the forum owner whatever and whichever his/her take is. If we don't get along with their vision, things they do or the words they use, the door is wide open for get lost. This is our freedom too :)
It is very simple to respect or leave, than entangling with comments of no-so-entertaining nature. Just my view :)
I learned by studying the work they posted first and keeping my questions focused. If you ask an intelligent question that I have not answered in my FAQ, I will usually answer it, if I have time.
What I don't have time for is the hoards who write me to ask what's already been answered.
Great work, I have just built a new test cell and your research was the main inspiration. Good luck at the exhibition, I hope you come back with some intresting information.
ZFF, do you use baking soda? If yes. Then throw it far away from cell! It allow maybe 1/4 of cell real efficency. Start using NaOH or KOH! They make your cell much more efficency! Best efficency you get when: NaOH is 30% of water OR KOH is 28% of water.
How do you drill holes in the acrylic without making it crack???
Also on the copper comment. I tested copper by placing a copper wire and a stainless steel wire inside a bucket, Copper on negative - stainless on positive. I ran it for 1:30 and it didnt corrode. Longer testing needs to be done of course to comfirm that it does or does not corrode over time. Copper on Positive corrodes in seconds.
I have not understood why you 'smart' people have not understood that.
You may use a milling bit, instead of standard metal or wood drill bit. But you should be careful not to force all the way down with milling bit, but to use soft push pull action while it passes the acrylic through.
Now you have almost perfect CELLS in series (no leakage current). This type of cell will draw current based on electrolyte concentrate, plate distance, temperature and material. Gas production depends on surface area and material only (probably surface treatment too). That is only if we put close to 2V per cell. If you go bellow, production suffers. Anything above 2V is contributing to heat, not affecting the production of Gas.
nice :) :)
81chrischris 4 weeks ago
why dont you try a drycell
bongobermo1 2 months ago
You have a great design, one suggestion is to extend the height to reduce the foaming and find a nice level of consumption of amps to have a consistent flow also you may wish to insulate the plates from the top therefore isolating the resistance to the reaction chamber which is immersed. There is something else you may wish to attempt - introduce the plates from the sides under the chamber and utilize an "S" honeycomb chamber with a return tube or a miniature radiator design to prevent foam.
EnochianBorg 8 months ago
@EnochianBorg The Batt-Cell is going to beat this design by a large margin.
ZeroFossilFuel 8 months ago
How long does the water last in an combustion assist type situation? And what types of maintenance is required? i.e. cleaning element replacement
HaiRuiDe 10 months ago
i want to say target u mess up every thing by your ads at 15 secs at a time do u really want to keep me away from your store your doing it by these ads jk 12 2010
joyful54 1 year ago
If the poles inside the tube creates a spark you will have create a bomb,insulate your contacts before you hurt yourself,other then that it's a great comcept and great idea..try to build a smaller unit for cars..if the unit is to big and installed in a car you be sitting on a bomb,by useing several small chambers this will be more safe for the use in cars,the Hydro gas need to leave the chamber quickly to not be a dangerous device,if you lite a match,you will see what I am talking about
pcxcity 1 year ago
is the cilinder hermitic closed? if u let it go will it create pressure inside>?or is that only initial efect? yr invention is pretty cool
ThierryLouis 1 year ago
@ThierryLouis did you miss the pressure cap ? I was wondering if that is just a piece of plastic wrap..
FireFoxKing12 11 months ago
@FireFoxKing12 It is just plastic wrap, held in place by a PVC fitting with a PVC collar over it that fits tightly. It also make a convenient way to refill.
ZeroFossilFuel 11 months ago
nice beer...
ThierryLouis 1 year ago
@ThierryLouis Thanks! I get that a lot! ;-)
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
could you imagine seeing a 6 foot tall 3 foor wide one of these
Si3z3 1 year ago
If I am understanding it correctly, you have a greater HH0 output at the moment of start up. If ths is so, try to do a circuit to give impulses to the cell instead of dc (even instead of PWM). Than, to control the flow, you can control the number of impulses per second.
darrenhello2 1 year ago
i have in the past used some Cream of tartar is the common name for potassium hydrogen tartrate, an acid salt that has a number of uses in cooking
this has stopped foaming when i used baking sodas, it worked for me in the past.
thom in scotland.
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henrykay01 1 year ago
add some antifoam to the solution.
mikeyz75 2 years ago
I did try it. It's only effective for a brief period then fades.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
I'm just wondering Zero... do you have a sell price? That is, if you discovered something amazing that would solve our energy woes, would you sell out?
What are your convictions? It's just that so many brilliant minds in times past have sold out their brilliance to the highest bidder and as a result, the corporations have got rich, while humanity has suffered.
I'm just wondering if someone came up and gave you a check with $1,000,000,000 on it for your inventions, would you take it?
graceoverall 2 years ago
For your answer go to my web site and click the "About us" link.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
Well it's inspiring to know that you are not one of the ignorant, fearful, or power hungry men who would willfully destroy such knowledge.
I think your vision of the future might not quite be attainable though. Given the rather slight energy density of uncompressed HHO, I think it's probably impossible to provide as much energy as you mentioned on your website.
Nevertheless... keep at it. I strongly hope that somebody proves me wrong! I look forward to the day!
graceoverall 2 years ago
this is based on Stan Meyers patents. He ca'nt sell
Juggalokb 1 year ago
A) It is NOT based on Meyers patents and
B) Even if it was, the patents have expired.
Get a clue.
ZeroFossilFuel 1 year ago
crap load of form! Nice work tho
RisingSun350 2 years ago
Try Form Fee , sale it @ pet stores for Fish Tanks!
RisingSun350 2 years ago
How well does the cellophane membrane on your blow-out device hold up to the vacuum of the engine?
sodapop503 2 years ago
Very well, but I have graduated from pulling vacuum on the cells.
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
great video.thanks for this vid.
ecco1347 2 years ago
Hello Sir,
i have question, how i can make that cells?
and how i connect them into ? any help or any diagram will be really help me.
thank you
adeelrizvi2 2 years ago
You can get a foam material from a high performance shop that they use in racing fuel cells, But you must clean it very good first in vinegar then sodium hydroxide ,over night to let any impurity out ,for if you don't ,you will get your shear of rust! Comes in all different colors.
beginerhydro 3 years ago
hi Zero fossil fuel, nice unit, i am building the same type at present zero, can you tell me what you used to seal the base, i am useing silicone, top quality with {-40c to +200c} this should do fine, what you think zero, any advice on that would be cool zero.
thanks, thom in scotland.
NEON271156 3 years ago
Please read my FAQ
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
i dont understand, FAQ, where about ?. zero, !.
NEON271156 3 years ago
Follow the white rabbit.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
About the foam. I was thinking of the air filters you find in some of the old forced air furnaces. They have a very course, long strand fiber glass filter in a cardboard holder about half an inch thick.
A couple layers of this installed below the bolts, maybe right on the surface, and held down from the bolts with something wrapped arond the shrink wrap may work.
Stormrunner0002 3 years ago
Zero Great work! I was wondering if Ohms law could be applied to the HHO circuit To find the happy medium between max gas output with minimum Heat production Ive been having trouble finding the ohm value across The terminals of my HHO cell it seams to very greatly for no reason.
I under stand That the amount of bakingsoda changes the resistance Across the terminals witch could be used for the adjustment to satisfy Ohms law. I would appreciate any comment from anybody on
This matter.Thanks
yapyap66 3 years ago
helo zero, how did you insulate the tabs? thanks..:-)
wiwizpot 3 years ago
Great educational video - thanks.
You are helping me save money and time with my own experiments.
This is very much appreciated.
Rich2150x 3 years ago 3
i would like as the same question
How much Potassium Hydroxide did you back in 8XX video you told us how much Potassium Hydroxide you used?
cemkarakurt 3 years ago
How much Potassium Hydroxide did you back in 8XX video you told us how much Potassium Hydroxide you used?
embalmer214 3 years ago
10 grams per liter
flipster12000 3 years ago
how do you get such good efeicency in a cell ive got a cell i made i like to use more electrolizer so i get more gas quiker i have a 10 cell on a 12 volt battery charger pulling 40 amps i get 2.08 MMW
danielhattie2000 3 years ago
What does MMW stand for.
mikeyidh 3 years ago
Milliliters per Minute per Watt of energy input.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Zero, you might want to consider using 2 layers of window screen to filter the foam bubbles. I've done this on one of my cells, and it has worked very well.
HHO4ALL 3 years ago
I'd rather not create the foam in the first place. In that regard the 3M White Marine adhisive I used previously worked like a champ. I think I'm going to revert back and keep the goop for repairing my running shoes. ;-)
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Hey Z, Love what you are doing here. I've watched all of your clips and soaking in alot of knowledge...thanks. Doesn't the foaming disapate under vacuum? I would think that if the engine is demanding the gas in those bubbles it would not allow them to stay in the chamber to even cause foam.
stickittooil 3 years ago
Worse.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
thats why you make sure the connections are under water. connections at the top have potential to arc and go kabbom.
smartlasertech 3 years ago
amps, brother, amps. what if you reduced the cell count by half then wired them together in paralel to reduce currunt draw then push amps into it?
domsmummy 3 years ago
hello mate. nice work! can´t you use an anti-foam in the electrolyte? an inert one like the ones used in the production of vinegar (some types of silicon).
hug
Lontr3x 3 years ago
Tried it. Doesn't last.
Thanks for watching!
Z
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
What are you using for electrolyte? You should not be retaining foam for that long of a time. I fear this will cause water to enter your engine very easily.
nasanction 3 years ago
Amazing Job, Im learning more everyday. With how far the work seems to be moving along, is it worth machining the cell out of a single piece of metal? Similar to a heat sink on the top of computer processor
mrlaither 3 years ago
thats a beautiful, elegant (and well thought out) system you are building.... Note; i'm still useing all stainless; ribbon for conductor, and 3/8 feedthrough bolts... but i may reconsider! ya doin nice work!
harveyeaston 3 years ago
A very nice looking cell. would it not be better to attach the power connections to the bottom of the cell.This would remove the power leads out of the gas stream.this way you would have to run the cell dry, before there is any chance of cross arcing or ignition due to heat or a design malfuction. I have found 15-20 + amps will heat up S.S. ready rod due to resistance over time. Just a thought.
Regards ,
ssweeneytodd 3 years ago
Applying full voltage to terminals entering in submersion is very difficult to keep from leaking. I'd rather deal with keeping the gas contained.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Hi zerofossilfuel. I like your cell very much. Perhaps a positive pressure relief valve would be a nice feature. Brewery suppliers have nice brass pressure valves set to pop at different values. Perhaps atmospheric pressure could be another factor contributing to efficient hydroxy production. Great work so far. I have learned a lot.
jtbartlett 3 years ago
at 4:14 it looks like a HUUUGE beer ^^'
Sven2Perroy 3 years ago
i didnt use goop or any glue and it foamed up. strange thing is i did a coil setup with poor results and it didnt foam i did 5 plate and it foamed up and it was just a cell that was exposed in tank water and did same in baking soda with distilled water
dacoffee2222 3 years ago
b(dot)betiol(at)gmail(dot)com
or send me back a message thanks again
0BigCountry0 3 years ago
Yo. Im looking to make a HHO unit and i really like your design. I had a couple questions if you dont mind answering so please email me at.... THANKS!
0BigCountry0 3 years ago
great work, just like to ask, how can you come up with the 5.40 mmw computation? and how much water are you using for this cell and are you using baking soda, how much?
thanks zero
MobBossJome 3 years ago
A gortex membrane may stop the bubbles but let the gas pass
DJSteveLongley 3 years ago
Not using goop marine adhesive will eliminate the need to suppress the foam too.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Resonant cells. Finally. Autoresonant circuits? Not yet. Working meyer's replica would do it even if you have to keep adjusting frequency manualy. I have heard there are "universal" frequencies some 42+khz producing decent amount of HHO while ambient conditions may slightly vary without loosing production. Auto adjustment would be great but that could be the next step. Brute force is getting old and more or less perfected - lets move on to HV resonant systems. Very efficient & Very high output!
minde4000 3 years ago
Very nice work Zero, I've seen all but a few of your videos. Thank you for doing the interviews and video of the event, that was awesome. We're keeping the fire burning, even down here in Texas.
TheMrWho1 3 years ago
Hey Zero great work on all your projects. I know you are moving to a dry cell but I have a chemistry background and have been in the plating industry for 22 years. I wondered if you have tried 3M platers tape. You could both seal and isolate the edges with this and it is made to withstand both alkiline and acidic environment.
Regards
Secondamend
secondamend 3 years ago
Never heard of it. Where would one find it?
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Zero Here is the link to the 3m platers tape in the second post. They have variuos sizes and thickness so you could use this for both sealing of the plate edge and separation of the plates. If you see some you would like to try email me the information and I will get some for your testing.
Regards
Secondamend
secondamend 3 years ago
Well as I thought youtube will not allow links so if you look on the 3M website and search the product number 1280, 1279, 1278, 851 you will see all the different types. I hope it helps.
Regards
secondamend 3 years ago
Hello ZFF; I know u say that you are only one man, but i just got 2 know if you have had a chance to do any tests with the trapezoidal nickel plates?. Thanks.
Eragonaiedail 3 years ago
I haven't run my cell much, but I used JB Weld to assemble it the first time. I didn't get any foam.
joewilder 3 years ago
Perhaps the excessive foam is from the Marine Goop contaminating the water. I noticed on my own cell, I had no foam the first day I tested it. The second day I got lots of foam, suggesting the electrolyte had become contaminated.
joewilder 3 years ago
That's exactly right. I need either to
A) Chemically supress the foam with an additive,
B) Ultrasonically break up the foam, or
C) Precision machine grooves in the acrylic panels to receive the SS plates and give up on Goop altogether.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Hi ZZF, have you tried using perforated plate / mesh? I think it can supress those foam (looks like beer). Using more additive may interact with the electrolyte.
snooex 3 years ago
hey Z great work have been following for a few weeks trying to catch up just wanted to suggest
maybe 5200 or 4200 marine sealant
Starved4answers 3 years ago
Can I use nylon washer, nuts and bolt to make the cells spacer ?
zizuazi 3 years ago
Sure! I may try that myself pretty soon to avoid the foaming I get from the goop adhesive.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
also did you change to the acrilic glue as you mentioned? this seems like more foam then in the past, oh yeah the nylon washers mentioned will give you the edges around the holes I have this in my cell now and it seems like the current leakage is a problem you might re consider
Starved4answers 3 years ago
Sorry, can not come over to US to be a part of it, but I hope I can see your monster thing :)
tangoinasia 3 years ago
Zero, great cell, good job. Looks as efficient as you can get. Looking forward to see the results with it hooked up to your electronics... Did you look at the idea that I posted in your last video with the separate L/C circuit? I think that it would be easier to tune and keep in resonance by taking the WFC capacitance out of the equation. The waveform that I got in the simulation looked like Meyer's step-charge pulse train. Please let me know what you think. Looking forward to the show video.
slider1860 3 years ago
I've been following your videos for awhile..
Some friends and I are all working on cells..
I know of many others building cells...
In basements, garages, cottages..
You are inspiring!
washingmachine23 3 years ago
Great videos - Fascinating! Look forward to the show reports :)
StealthModeLondon 3 years ago
Zero, Love the videos and I am looking forward to seeing more!! I started out making my unit with stainless steel ca ridge bolt with fender washers that in put inside of a 3in pvt with a sheet of stainless overing the inside, I was wondering if instead of using fe3nderwashers as the plates on a bolt should I try to sandwiching in stainless scrubby pad's to maximize the area as well as minimize the space between the anode and cathode of the cell ? What are your thoughts ?
livehazelgreentraffi 3 years ago
Live,
That type cell will produce way too much heat, thus, you are wasting your time and money. You need to follow the directions shown on these videos. Use the experience that those of us that have been building and experimenting with these cells for a while, AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS. No matter how small it may seem, "minor" details can mean the difference between success and blowing up your work and/or yourself or having a very inefficient cell.
-Hoosier In Virginia
hoosierinva 3 years ago
While I agree to the quality of the videos in their approach, and in the detailed thought and time thinking about these effects. I wanted to relate to underlying physics of the experiments to see if there was things that we could do in improve the results. If we merely copy processes we will get no more results better than the experiments. Taking what we know and adding to this knowledge base is what we should all strive for not just the duplication but the improvement of results.
livehazelgreentraffi 3 years ago
We now have our video up for the production test of our cell. For the test we increased our temperature and got even better results. See the video under SPPACELABS. Yes there is 2 P's. Hope your weekend was interesting and productive. Can't wait to see and or hear what you found in Maryland, I think that was where you were going.
fossilless 3 years ago
Waiting to see the videos from Maryland 6/28-6/29.thanks for all the info.keep up the awesome work!!!
daddub1 3 years ago
Great set of videos, keep up the good work bud
dingoguts 3 years ago
vinegar ?
the404man 3 years ago
It has been suggested. With the new tank design it will be easier to try different electrolytes.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
I am very interested in the new unit that you are taking to the show. It seems like what you are posting is "old technology" compared to what you friends and you are actually showing
jajessee 3 years ago
Truth be told, all brute force is old technology.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
If you dont want the foam rising up and getting to the terminals, you might be able to, somehow, drop a glass tube down over each terminal, with the tube sealed top and bottom. Then the foam can rise up and out and not hurt anything. I also second the notion of shaking the cell, to work the foam back down.
SSparks555 3 years ago
I am being told, and it's probably true, that my foam is a result of my use of the goop marine adhesive. I'm hoping it settles down after a while once the chemicals that produce the foam leach out. Otherwise I have to look at additives unless I rebuild with precision cut grooves for the acrylic.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
=o) i learned.
gasmatd 3 years ago
I found that is the cell is sitting on a table not moving I get foam. If the cell is in the car and the water is sloshing around the foam disapates. Try slightly shaking your cell on the bench and you may notice the foam disapate. This is what I found others may have a different result.
dram6262 3 years ago
PS try using a green 'Scotch' pad on the surface
Zolar1 3 years ago
I did. Doesn't work. it rises around the edges to find it's way out the barbed fitting. Maybe if I make it big enough to seal it off all the way around the circumference of the tank.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
How about a Coffee Filter?
Zolar1 3 years ago
why don't you keep it running and let the form comes out of the Barbe fitting for a while... Then it will eventually produce less and less form towards something negligible.
kaveendra 3 years ago
Hey Zero!
Excellent work!
I was wondering about something - are those neutral plates (2 each outer side) going from the outer electrodes to the walls of the tank?
I wish I could win the lotto - then I could meet you and donate a FAT check for your R & D...
Also, have you tried a couple of strainer spoons? I tried them. Amps started at 9.5 @ room temp and went to 10.5 @ 150F.
I still can't afford to buy proper research equipment darn it. I don't know what my output is, sigh.
Zolar1 3 years ago
oopppss i meant from zero bubbles to good production
AvAgOaTHHO 3 years ago
Hi Z, first thanks for all your efforts i have gone to zero bubbles to good production because of you and others sharing your stuff. any way as to the foaming i saw a program in africa where they were plauged by mozzies from tier wells, they put a layer of polastyrene balls over the water so they coudnt lay eggs. maybe you could do something similar and have a cone shape mesh over your gas out pipe so it cant be blocked! just a thought keep them coming and thanks again. Les
AvAgOaTHHO 3 years ago
I have heard that cirtric acid won't foam and works just as well as KOH, any input?
adrnalizer 3 years ago
Zero, what type of a set up would it take to run a 5.9 6cyl. Diesel Engine?
Thanks for your research.
wvacanti 3 years ago
We're only supplementing with, not "running on" HHO.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Not that I mind your endless experimentation, but in the end you make it appear that this technology is a high-tech affair that is totally beyond what the average guy can do. How come you never show your gear running in a car, and how much mileage you save? I hope to see your work in some ready-to-go form at the HHO Games & Exposition, where there will be many other inventors like you.
jousterusa 3 years ago
How come you haven't watched ALL the videos I made before asking questions that have already been answered?
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
You should re evaluate your theory on current leakage from the edges. My testing has shown that leakage current is actually greatest on the face of the plates and not on the edges of the plates. It has not been untill recently that someone has posted the results of what i have been trying to disprove with edge plate current loss. Keep up the great work.
kiacell2007 3 years ago
Hi ZFF,
a calculaton question: how lean? If I would like to run an engine completely on hho gas, lets say a 2l engine. It would draw 0,5l of fresh air + hho gas per round - that is at max 6000rpm = 3000l of air an hho gas per minute. How lean can the mixture be, to work, so I would know how much hho I would have to produce in order to have a full hho engine. with your cell of 5,4 ml hho per minute, per watt output I could calculate the current I need to produce. -
sirbedebair 3 years ago
Hydrogen can run as lean as 100:1.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Running entirely on HHO would be a perpetual motion machine. The reason HHO works in gas or desil cars is that the fuel droplets burn at a much slower rate than vapor. The HHO explosion is vaporizing gas and causing more of it to explode vs burn in the cylinder. HHO makes more of the fuel explode vs burn. Burning gas is too slow to push the cylinder. The fuel mileage increase overcomes the water to gas back to water conversion loss for a net gain. No free energy, just more efficient.
yeshuason 3 years ago
I would like to go to the conference but it is a 12 hour round trip and gas is killing me. Help us, Zero. You're our only hope! Figure out how to split water, through the spark plug, during compression. Just like Stan did.
dreamwhileyousleep 3 years ago
The only thing I can think of is that some kind of nebulizing effect happens in the bubbler and dense vapor vanishes when subjected to engine heat. I don't detect any vapor droplets in my tube after the bubbler or tube going into the intake. Your thoughts please.
scotchrks 3 years ago
ZERO, my cell in my vehicle closely replicates the efficiency of your zero cell. Just a little over 1 LPM, I run @ 11.75 V @ 20 Amps. My bubbler goes down about 400 ml of water @ 1 hr. of drive time. what would cause this?? I have installed a fuel filter canister catch after the bubbler as a secondary precaution for excess foam or corrosive koh vapors entering into my engine. Totally dry. Where does the bubbler water go?? I have to re-fill about every 80 miles. (bubbler only holds 750 ml)
scotchrks 3 years ago
If you have one of your lines running to direct manifold vacuum only, this will cause your water to boil away. Its not related to heat but due to differences in pressures. Example if you were to leave a space capsule in space without any space suit and float freely into the vacuum of space due to the pressure differences your blood would boil right away. Same with water and vacuum. If you have a a/c vacuum pump, test with sealed water cont and watch what happens.
kiacell2007 3 years ago
The rate at witch water will boil away scot is all dependent upon how air tight your electrolizer tank is. There are ways to deal with the effects of vacuum on your electrolizer tank. Hope this sheds some light on your problem.
kiacell2007 3 years ago
can this be used on a diesel P.U. ?
jim0987iuytr 3 years ago
From reports I have seen hho gas seems to combust better in a diesel.
SPPACELABS 3 years ago
how many amps you pushing?
animobil 3 years ago
I wonder if anti-foam that is used in hot tubs would keep the foam down?
Sierra8561 3 years ago
Looking into that too. SOmeone even suggested maybe a Rollaids tablet? Hmmmm
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Very NICE!
Thank you so much!
Rallikorva 3 years ago
Thanks for emphasizing safety, I cringe when people use crimps too except when an open container is used.
cribcat1 3 years ago
Mr.Z, what is your electrolyte?
Please go see my home made Dry Cell made with SS 316 FOIL 0.002 mil. Just click on "Banyan23" to see my 4 videos.
Again... What is your electrolyte concentration?
Thanks for your time!
Keep the good work!
Banyan23 3 years ago
alt-nrg*org
FAQ
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Z what am i looking to as a goal? how much HHO per minut? how much max amps?
MightyCentaur 3 years ago
BTW keep it up and going ZeroFossilFuel you do all of these different designs and features and share all test results and videos and tips to us all. Great job man respect for you.
minde4000 3 years ago
What in the world is that foam? Must not come from soda... What are you using as catalyst?
minde4000 3 years ago
Hi zero, was just wondering if this new cell has got glue on the top and bottom between the plates, and if so how is it holding up. I was wondering if possibly some kind of paint might work, it might be necessary to rough up a small section of the plates to make it stick better. I will try it myself soon.
Thanks for posting all your research and keep up the good work.
markj30 3 years ago
Koh eats paint.
autos432 3 years ago
Doh! ;-)
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
They no longer make an alternator for any vehicle nowadays that's any less than 70 amps. The one in my truck is stock, 140. Even rebuilt older GM alternators, are more than 35. If the alternator for your old vehicle is only 35 amps, and hasn't been replaced yet. Rebuilts are retrofit to have quite a bit more power, in the exact same form factor.
But for sure, any vehicle that's newer has quite a bit more juice than 35 amps output.
musicmancanada 3 years ago
This is quite true for the newer vehicles, especially those manufactured late 90s. SUVs are meant for burning more fuel, so it comes with big alternators, commonly over 200A. Additional power is needed for heating seats, windows and fancy stuff.
I was referring to the average consumer vehicle, which is not restricted to USA, having the majority of cars build before 90.
It is best to check Alternator rating of the particular vehicle, before you hook any additional loads to it.
kaveendra 3 years ago
maybe some sort of poly mesh screen I've seen some pretty fine poly mesh used for filters.
foamfingermaker 3 years ago
Shouldn't be any foam if your using KOH or NAOH if you are it is eating your silicone and contaminating your cell water.
Vistal1 3 years ago
Hey, Zero
I think my crimp connections may have been the cause of my cell exploding. Now that you mentioned it, I was using crimp connections with stranded #8 copper wire inside my cell. The issue of arcing never occured to me. I'm in the process of redesigning my system with better connections. QUESTION: Why do you need neutral plates?
eandatoo 3 years ago
Usage of Nutral plates is a clever arrangement. As an example, 5 cells series configuration only uses 6 plates. Otherwise, you will have to use 10 plates to make 5 cells.
In a 5 cell (nutral plate) configuration, if you apply 12 v on the furthermost plates, you get 12/5=2.5v in each cell. This is close to the optimal voltage you can have per cell. If you apply 12V per cell (in non nutral plate configuration), over 9V is contributing to heat and wasted.
kaveendra 3 years ago
Nice work Z...
dlwammo 3 years ago
Looks very nice :) Well done mate.
MadStu1978 3 years ago
hi zff, i will try a scotch brand scouring pad and it if works will publish the vids on my channel. nice to see you back and look forward to your future videos. fizzy
FIZZYH2O 3 years ago
Great job Bro!
SGiHunter 3 years ago
Z, what is your limit on your alternator? i see you start of at 20amps- how long and what amps are you looking before it gets too hot. very interesting. oh all of which does it stsay cool on the front of the vehicle. thanks z .
apsert 3 years ago
An average alternator on a consumer vehicle can draw upto 30-35 amps at maximum. 10-20 amps is already drawing by the vehicle systems, especially with headlights on. Unless you fix an extra alternator, drawing about 20 amps means driving it on its limits, which is not good for the poor thing.
kaveendra 3 years ago
I wonder if you couldn't get your hands on a small acrylic tube, a faucet aerator and some nylon screen material?
In theory, you could force the foam through a couple layers of screen material wrapped around the tube, with tiny holes drilled in, and finally through the stainless steel aerator before it can exit the chamber and flow into the bubbler.
This way, I believe there would never be enough liquid to overflow the bubbler as has happened in the past.
maceblackhammer 3 years ago
Great work Zero,you have come a long way!
bornman88 3 years ago
hey I wish I could come but I live in The Netherlands.
flashback1234 3 years ago
alt-nrg? What does nrg stand for?
wh333t 3 years ago
LOL, say it out loud.
E N E R G Y
Austiclees 3 years ago
Not that I know for sure but. I have a feeling that bubbles caused by baking soda. Also because of the bubbles H is going back to water. I wonder if there is a alternative for baking soda?
JHONYTEEMD 3 years ago
Zero is using KOH (Potassium Hydroxide) as per his previous videos and according to his FAQ. Other possible choice is NaOH (Sodium Hydroxide).
kaveendra 3 years ago
Baking Soda is NaHCO3 and it is also possible to use as an electrolyte
kaveendra 3 years ago
Oooh. Thanks for that.
wh333t 3 years ago
Thank you for the update!
You've come a long way in a short time and have inspired many of us.
I look forward to the next series "camera man in tow".
I work with people all day long that run their mouths without doing any research,
we call it thinking with their mouths; maybe here we can call it thinking with fingers.
vulpine61 3 years ago
Hi Z, Not sure if you tried using ultrasonic fogger, it will actually clear the bubbles, will solve your foaming issue.
bennytan777 3 years ago
Yes I know. I remember SirHOAX's demo. It was very impressive. I'm thinking of a Hemholtz driver as the transducer.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Thank you Kaveendra!!
ZFF: Your FAQ says this: "No. I do not have time to privately mentor noobs."
Thats fine because your insulting all your past teachers along with the youtube posters who have helped you.
TouchOdeath 3 years ago
TouchOdeath: We have to respect the forum owner whatever and whichever his/her take is. If we don't get along with their vision, things they do or the words they use, the door is wide open for get lost. This is our freedom too :)
It is very simple to respect or leave, than entangling with comments of no-so-entertaining nature. Just my view :)
kaveendra 3 years ago
I learned by studying the work they posted first and keeping my questions focused. If you ask an intelligent question that I have not answered in my FAQ, I will usually answer it, if I have time.
What I don't have time for is the hoards who write me to ask what's already been answered.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Nice web page,will be looking foward to seeing you there and saying Hi. I was headed that way to go fishing/crabing any how.
crazzieg 3 years ago
looks great Zero! NOW lets figure out how to knock the HO bubbles of the plates quicker to bump up eff. another step. Good luck on trip.
Petico
peticopower 3 years ago
Great work, I have just built a new test cell and your research was the main inspiration. Good luck at the exhibition, I hope you come back with some intresting information.
Thanks
markj30 3 years ago
ZFF, do you use baking soda? If yes. Then throw it far away from cell! It allow maybe 1/4 of cell real efficency. Start using NaOH or KOH! They make your cell much more efficency! Best efficency you get when: NaOH is 30% of water OR KOH is 28% of water.
Careica 3 years ago
I really hate it when people ask questions or leave comments without first reading my FAQ.
It is an insult.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Ditto
xxmodifiedracer 3 years ago
Its so good to see the unit coming together. Thanks again.
pondman27 3 years ago
awsome looking cell!
humantestdummy 3 years ago
How do you drill holes in the acrylic without making it crack???
Also on the copper comment. I tested copper by placing a copper wire and a stainless steel wire inside a bucket, Copper on negative - stainless on positive. I ran it for 1:30 and it didnt corrode. Longer testing needs to be done of course to comfirm that it does or does not corrode over time. Copper on Positive corrodes in seconds.
I have not understood why you 'smart' people have not understood that.
TouchOdeath 3 years ago
You may use a milling bit, instead of standard metal or wood drill bit. But you should be careful not to force all the way down with milling bit, but to use soft push pull action while it passes the acrylic through.
kaveendra 3 years ago
On copper issue, why you run after copper in the first place? Stainless Steel is proven intert to the process both as anode and cathode.
Adding different metals means more parameters to tweak, thus blurring the goal, which is to achieve most gas production on series SS cell.
If you need to test different metals in anode and cathode, that is a whole different story, and we also would like to know your results.
kaveendra 3 years ago
Now you have almost perfect CELLS in series (no leakage current). This type of cell will draw current based on electrolyte concentrate, plate distance, temperature and material. Gas production depends on surface area and material only (probably surface treatment too). That is only if we put close to 2V per cell. If you go bellow, production suffers. Anything above 2V is contributing to heat, not affecting the production of Gas.
I hope this explains your observations.
kaveendra 3 years ago
I am sure you will bring back lot of interesting stuff for us to see.
kaveendra 3 years ago
Rather than just percolate through the cell.
rextolen 3 years ago