Since the HST power cars were reengined with MTU power units, hey suffer terrible trouble keeping their feet on a damp rail. The driver only has 5 power notches and wheelspin starts in notch 3. The MTU seemsto deliver its torque in a way that the wsp cant cope with. The driver is only warned of wheelslip when it gets so bad that wsp intervenes and cus the power. Nothing the driver can do without risking coming to a stop!
The huge amount of sparking indicates that all the slippery/greasy residu on the tracks is already complete gone, these wheels are grinding into the rails by now.
It can be caused by a failure in the control system of the rear power car.
I noticed this years ago with a multiple of 2 locomotives, where the second locomotive kept 1 or 2 notches higher than the front engine, causing it to slip on the wet tracks and almost comming to a stop on the steepest part of the line.
It was the rear power car. The only indication of spin on the rear for the driver would be a red light in the front power car; he would have no idea of the severity of the spin especially if the front power car was not spinning as I expect was so, so he would have been doing what most other driver would have done and thats to give it some to get the train moving a bit and then drop the power back the repeat until moving nicely.
What you have to remember is dainton is a very steep bank with track greasers, this coupled with bad weather, rain and leaf fall makes driving up it hard. More so if slowed down or stopped for any reason. If the driver had not taken the action he did the delay to this train and all other services in the area would have been huge.
If so, then a typical boil in the bag driver who has no idea about the serious damage he is doing to those wheelsets and the track. The tread profile would be shot after that, i wouldn't want to ride it at any speed.....
The skill of driving has been lost...semi-skilled machine operators now i say...
but if the front power car wasnt powerful enough, it wouldnt wheelslip. it would just be really slow or come to a stop. thats what happens when too much power is put down at once. much the same as wheelspin on a car when you floor it
what I do on rail sim when I get stuck i keep the brakes on fully then engine on full whack and wait for the revs to build then let go of the brakes quickly and bobs ur uncle!
@60037 Funny, not what i hear from the fitters in Laira, totaly the opposite infact.
formidable38 1 year ago
BBC News: Train Driver wakes up to find horse's head in his bed.
Police say they suspect Network Rail employees are responsible.
mcgherkinstudios 1 year ago
that could cause a lineside fire nice vid
gm66power 1 year ago
gawd that must had hurt the rails,well done for photoing this!
vorlonb3 2 years ago
Since the HST power cars were reengined with MTU power units, hey suffer terrible trouble keeping their feet on a damp rail. The driver only has 5 power notches and wheelspin starts in notch 3. The MTU seemsto deliver its torque in a way that the wsp cant cope with. The driver is only warned of wheelslip when it gets so bad that wsp intervenes and cus the power. Nothing the driver can do without risking coming to a stop!
DreadedWobble 2 years ago
Looks very severe!
The huge amount of sparking indicates that all the slippery/greasy residu on the tracks is already complete gone, these wheels are grinding into the rails by now.
It can be caused by a failure in the control system of the rear power car.
I noticed this years ago with a multiple of 2 locomotives, where the second locomotive kept 1 or 2 notches higher than the front engine, causing it to slip on the wet tracks and almost comming to a stop on the steepest part of the line.
dieselmupke 2 years ago
Grinder HST
djmadboy2 2 years ago
I notice that they've replaced a section of track on the up line of Dainton bank recently (last 4 months). Wonder if it's related.
Finchowned 2 years ago
It was the rear power car. The only indication of spin on the rear for the driver would be a red light in the front power car; he would have no idea of the severity of the spin especially if the front power car was not spinning as I expect was so, so he would have been doing what most other driver would have done and thats to give it some to get the train moving a bit and then drop the power back the repeat until moving nicely.
Bulwark41 2 years ago
What you have to remember is dainton is a very steep bank with track greasers, this coupled with bad weather, rain and leaf fall makes driving up it hard. More so if slowed down or stopped for any reason. If the driver had not taken the action he did the delay to this train and all other services in the area would have been huge.
Bulwark41 2 years ago
bloody hell! How much damage to the wheels and track? take it easy
HSTHoward 2 years ago
i wouldnt trust that driver with my life. its constantly spinning. idiot must be whacking too much power down.!!
i mean im not a driver but i know that slowly building power is the key to getting up a bank. not straight into full whack like this idiot is doing!
Sephy69 2 years ago
Thats one hell of alot of fucked up wheels and rail right there.
formidable38 2 years ago
Hard to tell, was that powercar leading?
If so, then a typical boil in the bag driver who has no idea about the serious damage he is doing to those wheelsets and the track. The tread profile would be shot after that, i wouldn't want to ride it at any speed.....
The skill of driving has been lost...semi-skilled machine operators now i say...
spankeysimian 2 years ago
appantly it was to do with bad weather and also to do with the frpnt power car not makeing enough power :)
broomboi 2 years ago
but if the front power car wasnt powerful enough, it wouldnt wheelslip. it would just be really slow or come to a stop. thats what happens when too much power is put down at once. much the same as wheelspin on a car when you floor it
Sephy69 2 years ago
what was the story dan?
mattenigmaevolution 2 years ago
surely thats not normal..u can't tell me an HST set cudn't get up a hill like that..the driver must have been really poor for that to happen!
mattenigmaevolution 2 years ago
Great vid,certainly seen anything like that!!
alberta45562 2 years ago
what I do on rail sim when I get stuck i keep the brakes on fully then engine on full whack and wait for the revs to build then let go of the brakes quickly and bobs ur uncle!
bronzeonion 3 years ago
Yeah but that a simulator *Bangs Head*
alberta45562 2 years ago
lol, I know but what would happen If you tried it in real life!
bronzeonion 2 years ago
Nowt mate cos the brake pipe governor would stop you taking power.
wieege 2 years ago
Nothing mate. The Brake Pipe Governor would stop you getting power.
wieege 2 years ago
and that is all comeing from a hst?
the driver must of been really Shit because they normally hammer dainton bank
brillant footage by the way mate 5 stars
broomboi 3 years ago