This is simply not true. One can join the masons, just as one can join covens without having to be screened. this is all a load of b.s. He was warned that should he reveal any of the secrets of masonry, to know what to expect. This is simple: death. Why keep it hidden?
In wicca, all it means is that if you leave the coven, you are no longer welcome.
This is clearly a knock by some christian fundy who want to knock out witches and masons. Read dan brown's the lost symbol.
This is simply not true. One can join the masons, just as one can join covens without having to be screened. this is all a load of b.s. He was warned that should he reveal any of the secrets of masonry, to know what to expect. This is simple: death. Why keep it hidden?
In wicca, all it means is that if you leave the coven, you are no longer welcome.
This is clearly a knock by some christian fundy who wants to knock out witches and masons. Read dan brown's the lost symbol.
The history of from where came the Wicca goes much longer in time than the show that Gardner got. Esoteric Masons in orders like GD where already training magic with cunning mans like Old George Pickingill, and none could say if all the mason system is really a version of witchcraft. Or even a preselection to witches. Who could talk would never do.
You all realize it is historical fact that Wicca was invented by Gerald Gardener and that he took many of more esoteric ideas and rituals of masonry and twisted them to make something entirely different.
Of course there are similarities, it's basically a plagiarized version with a completely different spin!
Just as Gandhi said," I love your Christ but you Christians are so unlike your christ."
FYI :: I am not a Freemason, I am Christian Orthodox but I'm also a realist.
If you're a good christian, pray to your God, love your fellow brother, and pray for those who do not follow what you. Afterall this is what being a christian is all about not condemnation.
we are surrounded by rituals and symbols but that doesn't mean are satanic, all religions use heavy ritual and symbols, established satanic religions are not more than 100 to 150 years old, Freemasons almost 400 y.old, so...who copied who? why they don't copy rituals from the church of God (catholics)if they are supposed to be their dark side, their nemesis (Masons don't believe in jesus)
And look at the shriner clip that this video response too. Shriners are masons. Again a different flaver of the same religion. Things are much older then you think, you need to find out about the mystery religions. And are you a witch or a wicca?
@torombolo29 Masons believe in jesus, they believe in all religions, they believe that it is a poerful tool to lead the ignorant by taking scripture out of context and using it to their advantage, how do you think the gay marriage law was overturned? by striking the religious chord of what was considered a holy relationship...did you know that cousins are considered holy union? same as father and daughter, and nowhere does it ban 2 women hooking up.
@torombolo29 If you were truly a Mason, you would know that many, many Masons believe in Jesus. I am not one of them, but most of the brethren in my lodge are.
Hey, you better look into it. Masonry and Witchcraft are certainly connected,,,and if you say your wicca thats the really the same as well. They are all different flavors of the same religion,,,which is EVIL!
You left out Christianity and our entire system of government. The problem is that most Christians know just enough about Christianity and Masonry to make judgments and accusations, not enough to realize they are wrong. The best thing for a Christian to do is keep their heads in the Bible and in church, and avoid anything that might confound their delusion.
LOL yeah of course they are gonna compare them, they are all in the same evangelical group. Were these real Masons they would know what the meaning of the ceremony. To say you kneel infront of the Master as if he was God! No Way, nothing but propaganda here by the greatest breakers of God's commandments.
Jonh 3:16 For God so loved the world (thats you and me) He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes should not perish but have Everlasting life. Religion is man made...as are secret societies. Jesus isn't a Religion...he's all about a Relationship! Praise Him!
Freemasonry,Satanism,Christianity,Judaism,Islam and all the other religions, serve the purposes of the same 'gods' feeding the same system to the same end.The hypnotised sheep or flock are simply bleating about the name of their 'god' - all is one.Total annihilation of the human species.Amen-Ra who art in heaven and in The Egyptian Book of The Dead.Wakey, Wakey.
It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.
The evening meal was being served, and the devil had already prompted Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus. Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God
Did it ever occur to anyone, that all this comes from the same source, one is not before the other just differnt way to the same end. A lot of you need to install a window in your stomach, so you can see where you are walking. And I am pointing finger at jimwaddel the fucktard.
Actually we all copy from something. Even if we didn't mean to, we still do. For instance. I'm sure the freemasons developed those things from different sources...esp members who added to the rituals. I would say that there really is no original "anything" because one way or another...even if it takes hundreds of years...it will be copied. Either accidently or on purpose.
This is talking about witchcraft...BUT...wicca of today comes from the master Masons, out of th OTO...who are Luciferians.
A Luciferian...as a classy why to say "Satanist" in the occult...when it comes down to it...they are exactly the same thing said in the confusion of Time.
TEST ME! I'm not lying to you ...I'm warning you because I really do care.
Yes it is. I'm in Wicca and you take a blood oath by the preist sticking your finger with a pin or needle. It's just to symbolize your binding with the craft and for you to reveal any secret you shall be removed from the craft.
I'm still a Wiccan...I was just saying...that's what happens.
i can honestly say i dont know any wiccan that has done anything of the sort, whats the name of your covern? what order are they in? how many members, just so i can get a feel of what your talking about.
LOL. No longer a Wiccan. I'm in a mystery, oathbound, initiatory, secrecy tradition of Witchcraft. Our coven is doing well and it's not up to you to declare another a Witch. I beleive the HP/S does that.
im sorry i dont understand, why is something thats older meant to be right, if people found out what the oldest religion was i have no doubt people would try and follow it, but what bearing does it posibly have in todays modern world?
...sounds like a cult, or dark witchcraft. no "true" religion has secrets. secrets + religion = cult. i was pagan (sad to say)and there was no oath of any kind needed to practice with the coven.
The fact is, traditional wiccan initiation is directly derived from masonic initiation. Hard to say when that happened, but it is certainly pretty much just as described in, say Gardnerian Craft
Come on. Do you idiots really need another boogieman right now. What a joke....Hey...you....BOOO.
Another Di Di Di. Christians have killed millions more than Wiccans. Shouldn't you be beating a Muslim or something. "wicca to the kiddies, for slavery sake" YOU IDIOT.
It was Masonry that influenced contemporary witchcraft, not the other way around. Gerald Gardner based the rituals of Wicca on his experience in the OTO, which was heavily influenced by Crowley, a former member of the Golden Dawn, which was founded by a handful of Masons and is chock full of Masonic-style rituals and symbolism. Thus Masonry has absolutely nothing to do with contemporary witchcraft, but contemporary witchcraft traces its roots back to Masonry.
The main point that is being made here is that there is a direct PARALLEL between the Masonic lodges and their rituals, with those practiced in witchcraft!! There are so many offshoots of occultism, that to complain that some witches or pagans don't do this or that, is like comparing apples to oranges. Masons have their roots in occultism, and that is the point!
if that was the point then there are so many other analogies he could have made; analogies based on fact. pretty much all of the sound bites about witcraft/wicca were wrong
Um.. Are you psycho? Maybe do some research before posting this.. Perhaps talking to real PAGANS who practice witchcraft. Anyone who decides to use witchcraft THAT way, is abusing.
You don't understand that the growth in witchcraft is by the fellows and networks connected to the masons, they need to attack Christianity, so they started to push witchcraft and wicca to the kiddies, for slavery sake... No holding the american ideas of liberty under witchcraft, and thats why they push it on the young.
Now I'm not religious and i was thinking of goin into either relgions.But its u thats got to undrstnd.If u think wiccans push it onto kids,its not true.Its like growng up in a christian family but do people call that forcing?no.beacause of misconceptions that its related to satanists bt if satan dsnt exist in wicca then how cn they worship hm?think of jesus camps?they call themselves'gods army'There r extreme sides to everything but slavery is not one of them in wicca
if a kid is raised in a christian houshold, does that mean that they are having christianity forced on them? no, so why do you think it is that way when wicca, witchcraft, or anyother religion does it?
bare in mind saying 'do some research' doesnt realy help matters, eather tell them, or let them carry on, live your life the best way you can, rais your kids right, help people when they need it, and when people ask you why you help so many people or why your kids are so well behaved, you can just say 'becasue im pagan, or wiccan'. lead by example, thats the best way to educate people instad of just telling them to do research.
what kind of fucking smear campaign is this? maybe before posting this you should know that most witch initiations don't consist of those things, and many witches never need one. & if they do, no one EVER gets hurt in any way.
Maybe you don't understand that the push toward Witch Craft to the kiddies, is by the Rich of the Earth, like Rockefeller, and the Illuminist outlets which Founding father George Washington warned us about.
It to change the Christian base, so we can be enslaved. More explaination is needed to understand what I'm saying.
A very thin connection.
1NX9 1 year ago
They call it witchcraft but it' is. Watch "Dr Colin Ross on C.I.A mind control" and " Advanced nonlethal weapons"
7711ish 1 year ago
This is simply not true. One can join the masons, just as one can join covens without having to be screened. this is all a load of b.s. He was warned that should he reveal any of the secrets of masonry, to know what to expect. This is simple: death. Why keep it hidden?
In wicca, all it means is that if you leave the coven, you are no longer welcome.
This is clearly a knock by some christian fundy who want to knock out witches and masons. Read dan brown's the lost symbol.
proud to bea witch
BrianEMusic 1 year ago
This is simply not true. One can join the masons, just as one can join covens without having to be screened. this is all a load of b.s. He was warned that should he reveal any of the secrets of masonry, to know what to expect. This is simple: death. Why keep it hidden?
In wicca, all it means is that if you leave the coven, you are no longer welcome.
This is clearly a knock by some christian fundy who wants to knock out witches and masons. Read dan brown's the lost symbol.
proud to bea witch
BrianEMusic 1 year ago
who cares if people want to pretend they are witches or believe god grants you three wishes if you repent and give him 10% of your cash.
smokeymctokem 1 year ago
Great vid
rocksmart23 1 year ago
The history of from where came the Wicca goes much longer in time than the show that Gardner got. Esoteric Masons in orders like GD where already training magic with cunning mans like Old George Pickingill, and none could say if all the mason system is really a version of witchcraft. Or even a preselection to witches. Who could talk would never do.
gledincardoso 2 years ago
You all realize it is historical fact that Wicca was invented by Gerald Gardener and that he took many of more esoteric ideas and rituals of masonry and twisted them to make something entirely different.
Of course there are similarities, it's basically a plagiarized version with a completely different spin!
bboyGrimes 2 years ago
Just as Gandhi said," I love your Christ but you Christians are so unlike your christ."
FYI :: I am not a Freemason, I am Christian Orthodox but I'm also a realist.
If you're a good christian, pray to your God, love your fellow brother, and pray for those who do not follow what you. Afterall this is what being a christian is all about not condemnation.
peace
boaz1144 2 years ago
i made a very specific comment about iniciations, i know about what you talking about, but that's not of my interest. have a good day
torombolo29 3 years ago
we are surrounded by rituals and symbols but that doesn't mean are satanic, all religions use heavy ritual and symbols, established satanic religions are not more than 100 to 150 years old, Freemasons almost 400 y.old, so...who copied who? why they don't copy rituals from the church of God (catholics)if they are supposed to be their dark side, their nemesis (Masons don't believe in jesus)
torombolo29 3 years ago
Do you know about the mystery religions?
And look at the shriner clip that this video response too. Shriners are masons. Again a different flaver of the same religion. Things are much older then you think, you need to find out about the mystery religions. And are you a witch or a wicca?
Robodoon 3 years ago
masons dont believe in jesus? LOL
RompeChocha305 2 years ago
oh yea they do. more then u i bet.
FLYpaperNETWORK 2 years ago
@torombolo29 Masons believe in jesus, they believe in all religions, they believe that it is a poerful tool to lead the ignorant by taking scripture out of context and using it to their advantage, how do you think the gay marriage law was overturned? by striking the religious chord of what was considered a holy relationship...did you know that cousins are considered holy union? same as father and daughter, and nowhere does it ban 2 women hooking up.
fodabonita 1 year ago
@torombolo29 If you were truly a Mason, you would know that many, many Masons believe in Jesus. I am not one of them, but most of the brethren in my lodge are.
richcapo 11 months ago
wow... obviously you are the biggest idiot on this planet and will believe anything that you see or hear...
debategirl21 3 years ago
Hey, you better look into it. Masonry and Witchcraft are certainly connected,,,and if you say your wicca thats the really the same as well. They are all different flavors of the same religion,,,which is EVIL!
Robodoon 3 years ago
You left out Christianity and our entire system of government. The problem is that most Christians know just enough about Christianity and Masonry to make judgments and accusations, not enough to realize they are wrong. The best thing for a Christian to do is keep their heads in the Bible and in church, and avoid anything that might confound their delusion.
bilgerburg 2 years ago
LOL yeah of course they are gonna compare them, they are all in the same evangelical group. Were these real Masons they would know what the meaning of the ceremony. To say you kneel infront of the Master as if he was God! No Way, nothing but propaganda here by the greatest breakers of God's commandments.
Toledowrap 3 years ago
Jonh 3:16 For God so loved the world (thats you and me) He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes should not perish but have Everlasting life. Religion is man made...as are secret societies. Jesus isn't a Religion...he's all about a Relationship! Praise Him!
rureyeswideopen2 3 years ago
Well said!
geriatricguru 3 years ago
be not confused but understand the purpose
Toledowrap 3 years ago
Freemasonry,Satanism,Christianity,Judaism,Islam and all the other religions, serve the purposes of the same 'gods' feeding the same system to the same end.The hypnotised sheep or flock are simply bleating about the name of their 'god' - all is one.Total annihilation of the human species.Amen-Ra who art in heaven and in The Egyptian Book of The Dead.Wakey, Wakey.
DaftAida 3 years ago
Religion, religion, religion, I tend not to care much.
PwnzorBob 3 years ago
RUBBISH.
People know shit all about free-masonary.
OR witchcraft.
Jeebus. So ridiculous.
slayerette 4 years ago
John 13:1-3 [ Jesus Washes His Disciples' Feet ]
It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.
The evening meal was being served, and the devil had already prompted Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus. Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God
ZakiusUK 4 years ago
Funny how the devil is blamed for Judas' betrayal, considering without it Jesus does not die on the cross for all mankind.
Seems to me that judas did the right thing by helping Jesus fulfill the prophecy and save mankind.
Sophomoric morality ftw.
EricWolfborn 3 years ago
yeah thats why jesus states that all 12 disciples will be with him in heaven ...your absolutely right people who blame satan are wrong ;)
alpha56667 3 years ago
Jesus was predestined to die on the cross by God and was killed by the Elders and Priests for what he preached.
CL121076 3 years ago
He was not predestined to die on the cross by God
hoogys 2 years ago
Yep, he was made for that role.
CL121076 2 years ago
then consider yourself a luciferian. or a mason for that matter.
hoogys 2 years ago
where is jesus in witchcraft? water to wine!
if wiccans are satanist then christians are jews. since jews don't believe in jesus, you're going to hell. have fun!
donkeyfly69 4 years ago
Jesus is the only way as the bible states it, truly and fully as a Christian.
John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
ZakiusUK 4 years ago
Did it ever occur to anyone, that all this comes from the same source, one is not before the other just differnt way to the same end. A lot of you need to install a window in your stomach, so you can see where you are walking. And I am pointing finger at jimwaddel the fucktard.
witchman1 4 years ago
all i got from this is that the witches copied from the Masons, so what else is there, this vid has more holes than a block of swiss cheese
Toledowrap 4 years ago 2
Actually we all copy from something. Even if we didn't mean to, we still do. For instance. I'm sure the freemasons developed those things from different sources...esp members who added to the rituals. I would say that there really is no original "anything" because one way or another...even if it takes hundreds of years...it will be copied. Either accidently or on purpose.
WitchyBoy1989 4 years ago 3
My point being that it does not make them similar in content.
Toledowrap 4 years ago
i used to be wiccan but in no way was i ever asked to take an oath or anything.
i could pray and hold rituals freely amongst my peers without even joining the group.
there is no blood oath
donkeyfly69 4 years ago
Great video! You certainly have eyes for seeing!
weavingspider 4 years ago
This is talking about witchcraft...BUT...wicca of today comes from the master Masons, out of th OTO...who are Luciferians.
A Luciferian...as a classy why to say "Satanist" in the occult...when it comes down to it...they are exactly the same thing said in the confusion of Time.
TEST ME! I'm not lying to you ...I'm warning you because I really do care.
TEST ME!
Robodoon 4 years ago
so you're a jew then? lol
i'm sure some new age/wicca does come from masonic roots but most of it predates masons and christianity
donkeyfly69 4 years ago
Do wiccans not come from the druid side of the house? Perhpas same period different parts of the world, who really cares which came first, I don't,
Toledowrap 4 years ago
@Robodoon okay, testing...are you a master mason?
fodabonita 1 year ago
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CALLSIGNxGEPPATO 1 year ago
blood oath? this is defenitly not anything to do with wicca, this is eather some messed up witch craft or some extream satanisme.
BforBailey104 4 years ago 2
Yes it is. I'm in Wicca and you take a blood oath by the preist sticking your finger with a pin or needle. It's just to symbolize your binding with the craft and for you to reveal any secret you shall be removed from the craft.
I'm still a Wiccan...I was just saying...that's what happens.
WitchyBoy1989 4 years ago
i can honestly say i dont know any wiccan that has done anything of the sort, whats the name of your covern? what order are they in? how many members, just so i can get a feel of what your talking about.
BforBailey104 4 years ago
Being it's the Gardnerian tradition...I can say nothing about it...(oath bound). sorry.
WitchyBoy1989 4 years ago
no worrys, im a bit to tired tonight to even think strait anyway, long day at work.
BforBailey104 4 years ago
It's true. I've been initiated into the Gardnerian tradition as well. Gerald Gardner did borrow bits from the Masons.
PaxBahehb 4 years ago
You may be wiccan, but you are no witch. I can go back in introductions to the craft to the 16th century. How far does your Wicca go back? 1950?
jimwaddell 4 years ago
LOL. No longer a Wiccan. I'm in a mystery, oathbound, initiatory, secrecy tradition of Witchcraft. Our coven is doing well and it's not up to you to declare another a Witch. I beleive the HP/S does that.
WitchyBoy1989 4 years ago
hp/s doesn't have the "right" to declare you a witch, you do that yourself through your actions/beliefs.
donkeyfly69 4 years ago
im sorry i dont understand, why is something thats older meant to be right, if people found out what the oldest religion was i have no doubt people would try and follow it, but what bearing does it posibly have in todays modern world?
BforBailey104 4 years ago
kudos
donkeyfly69 4 years ago
...sounds like a cult, or dark witchcraft. no "true" religion has secrets. secrets + religion = cult. i was pagan (sad to say)and there was no oath of any kind needed to practice with the coven.
donkeyfly69 4 years ago
To boil it down is to learn how fear controls the weak.
JamJells 5 years ago
The fact is, traditional wiccan initiation is directly derived from masonic initiation. Hard to say when that happened, but it is certainly pretty much just as described in, say Gardnerian Craft
plowjack 5 years ago
Come on. Do you idiots really need another boogieman right now. What a joke....Hey...you....BOOO.
Another Di Di Di. Christians have killed millions more than Wiccans. Shouldn't you be beating a Muslim or something. "wicca to the kiddies, for slavery sake" YOU IDIOT.
jimid64 5 years ago
It was Masonry that influenced contemporary witchcraft, not the other way around. Gerald Gardner based the rituals of Wicca on his experience in the OTO, which was heavily influenced by Crowley, a former member of the Golden Dawn, which was founded by a handful of Masons and is chock full of Masonic-style rituals and symbolism. Thus Masonry has absolutely nothing to do with contemporary witchcraft, but contemporary witchcraft traces its roots back to Masonry.
caelarent 5 years ago
The main point that is being made here is that there is a direct PARALLEL between the Masonic lodges and their rituals, with those practiced in witchcraft!! There are so many offshoots of occultism, that to complain that some witches or pagans don't do this or that, is like comparing apples to oranges. Masons have their roots in occultism, and that is the point!
vigilance77 5 years ago
Yes
Robodoon 5 years ago
if that was the point then there are so many other analogies he could have made; analogies based on fact. pretty much all of the sound bites about witcraft/wicca were wrong
donkeyfly69 4 years ago
Um.. Are you psycho? Maybe do some research before posting this.. Perhaps talking to real PAGANS who practice witchcraft. Anyone who decides to use witchcraft THAT way, is abusing.
babyxphantom 5 years ago 2
You don't understand that the growth in witchcraft is by the fellows and networks connected to the masons, they need to attack Christianity, so they started to push witchcraft and wicca to the kiddies, for slavery sake... No holding the american ideas of liberty under witchcraft, and thats why they push it on the young.
Robodoon 5 years ago
Now I'm not religious and i was thinking of goin into either relgions.But its u thats got to undrstnd.If u think wiccans push it onto kids,its not true.Its like growng up in a christian family but do people call that forcing?no.beacause of misconceptions that its related to satanists bt if satan dsnt exist in wicca then how cn they worship hm?think of jesus camps?they call themselves'gods army'There r extreme sides to everything but slavery is not one of them in wicca
schmile 5 years ago 2
I don't think this is Wicca. But more extreme.
enigmastarr8 5 years ago
if a kid is raised in a christian houshold, does that mean that they are having christianity forced on them? no, so why do you think it is that way when wicca, witchcraft, or anyother religion does it?
BforBailey104 4 years ago 2
bare in mind saying 'do some research' doesnt realy help matters, eather tell them, or let them carry on, live your life the best way you can, rais your kids right, help people when they need it, and when people ask you why you help so many people or why your kids are so well behaved, you can just say 'becasue im pagan, or wiccan'. lead by example, thats the best way to educate people instad of just telling them to do research.
BforBailey104 4 years ago 3
what kind of fucking smear campaign is this? maybe before posting this you should know that most witch initiations don't consist of those things, and many witches never need one. & if they do, no one EVER gets hurt in any way.
clockiewitch 5 years ago 2
Maybe you don't understand that the push toward Witch Craft to the kiddies, is by the Rich of the Earth, like Rockefeller, and the Illuminist outlets which Founding father George Washington warned us about.
It to change the Christian base, so we can be enslaved. More explaination is needed to understand what I'm saying.
Robodoon 5 years ago
christianity is what allows you to be enslaved
donkeyfly69 4 years ago
wrong. Jesus is the only way. God bless u.
ZakiusUK 4 years ago
that's ok
keep your god to yourself
donkeyfly69 4 years ago 5