I"m sorry I don't care what any society tells me....I am going to drive my Cadillac Escalade and ride my Harley Davidson as much and as often as I see fit!
renewables could have built themselves if they could match oil - windmills, solar concentrators could have been built in c19th; we had bicycles and electric trains, even today i do think private cars could be eliminated. (including using teleworking). I dont beleive renewables can match fossil-fuels. hydrogen fuel cell was invented at same time as internal combustion engine. Fossil-Fuels were like a lottery win. renewables are like low income from shit job.
I just have one question. In the Venus Project/Zeitgeist Movement's vision, machines will free humans of labor. Who fixes the machines? Everything breaks down eventually.
@UnchainTheNight1 Thanks for the question. Machines provide abundance of all biological and quality of life needs and reduce the need for human labor, especially with respect to dirty and unsafe jobs, menial labor, and unnecessary physical labor. People will still work, like being the techs that fix, upgrade and advance technical systems if that's what they love to do. The point is that when your life needs are covered in abundance, you're free to work whatever your passionate about.
@TZMSocialEvolution Thanks for the answer. I know for myself, I'd like to contribute to science. In the world TZM envisions, I could get the education. In our current reality, I can't do it because I can't afford a $100K and upwards education.
@UnchainTheNight1 Exactly, which is why I chuckle when people say that no one would do anything in such a world, because when people are truly free to learn whatever they want and it never jeopardizes their quality of life, there will be plenty of people who will do all kinds of amazing things. But in today's system, we have people who never have the chance to even try, or those who don't want a lifetime of debt on their shoulders, so they don't.
@prahaai1 Thanks for the info. Masdar is another one. Right thinking. It probably won't be as robust as what's possible, but it's a step in the right direction.
100 years ago, we didn't have the technology to fly, either... Look what we've done since then. Saying we don't have to technology to do this now, is like saying that it's pointless to send our children to school to learn the latest and greatest, in hopes that one of them will be the pioneer that takes us to that place.
TVP is not only focused on a power beam, it goes beyond that, the one thing that make me support TVP is the answer to this question: can we pass from scarcity to abundance with the actual technology? and the answer is yes, all the other things will flow fast when we surpass scarcity.
I really hope that the venus project will become our real life status but
"June 5, 1975 NASA JPL Goldstone Demonstration of high power long distance wireless power transmission successfully transmitted 34kw of electrical power a distance of 1.5km at an efficiency of greater than 82%. At the time, it was the world record for high power long distance wireless power transmission, and it may remain the world record yet today"
the power beam that,the power beam this,,what the hell is the power beam?with current wireless energy transfer technology only a few watts can be transmited,there is not (yet) a "power beam" that can transfer 2500MWs as claimed on their website
@schizokinesis A low intensity focused microwave beam. Just research the topic and you'll find all sorts of literature on it from NASA, JAXA and other various scientific industry websites.
@ItsAReefer Really? So I guess all the NASA, JAXA and independent research on the subject showing that it can be done is wrong? Doubtful. I'm not going into long discussions on this. The research is out there and easy to find. Go read it. :)
@TZMSocialEvolution The research isn't wrong. Your over inflation of it's potential is wrong. There is no technology that can send thousands of megawatts of power wirelessly from orbit. I'm all for science and green energy, but the Venus project is people clinging to irrational dogma. Religion is believing something no matter what the evidence says. The Venus project is ill thought out pseudo science babble.
@ItsAReefer Ah, here we go. I was wondering when you were just going to attack TVP out of anger or fear. Typical. Look, TVP talks about a LOT more than just orbital energy systems. We advocate the entire spectrum of green energy systems as a means to clean up the planet and provide abundant energy for all people to live high standards of life. The problem you have, is that realistically you can't pigeonhole us, because we have countless works out there that would destroy your argument. Peace.
Other advancements include puncture-resistant tires, infra-red and night vision designed into windshields, proximity sensors that "see" pedestrians and cyclists, electric sports cars like the Tesla Roadster, liquid cooled ceramic braking systems combined with elevating tail wings as seen on the Bugatti Veyron (100 KM/hr to 0 in 2.3 secs), gasoline to hydrogen conversion, solar skins, automated driving systems, contour seating, advanced machining to reduce component parts and much more.
Few people realize the vast technological applications that exist today for advancing automobiles such as 360 degree sensor systems when combined with wireless car-to-car communications can prevent any type of collision from occuring because each vehicle on the road is not only aware of each other but are in direct communication with each other through on-board computers. Due to both cost & affordability within the monetary system these advancements come about painfully slow. We can change this.
@prowlingligressa On some level, sure, but nothing like what we have today at all. Even calling it govt is a misnomer if based on today's definition of govt. A govt is supposed to govern something, no matter the scale or task. All depts would be comprised of subject matter experts who are qualified to handle issues in that dept that need to be solved. No different than space shuttle program depts who manage the proper functioning of the shuttle for missions.
good info its great but the music... doesn't suit the values of the project and movement. its cheap & sounds like fake hip hop mixed with a lousy new age trippy vibe
Nikola Tesla had a plan to generate free power for everyone, But J.P. Morgan was his backer and didn't want to give away free anything. Tesla built some contraption where you could just stick a light bulb in the ground and it would work. Too bad they suppressed his work and burned down his warehouse. Think about where we'd be at today.
@Juefawn Probably no more different than when nature converts it into energy in one giant volcano blast, or earthquake. The difference being that we can do it in slow, controlled methods, whereas nature does it in dramatic fashion. lol. Oh, and of course we can use that energy to live off of, whereas when nature erupts, it's more catastrophic and disastrous.
As a geoscience undergrad I can tell you that it doesn't at all, all your doing is taking out thermal energy that would be lost to space as infrared radiation otherwise. There's not even any concern for cooling down the earth since 99% of geothermal energy is generated by radioactive decay and only 0.5% of what is there today is left over from the initial hot condition.
Since you have the training, there's a question I've had. Does the earth's core generate more heat all the time by virtue of the spin of the earth; what I mean is, if we take a lot of heat out over time, will it be replaced and if not, will that cause problems over time? 99% of geothermal is radioactive decay, really?? In some ways, that's quite worrisome. Thanks for your time
@signalfire6 Nah the spin of the earth is an insignificant contributor to geothermal energy. And in practice it's nigh impossible to take enough heat out of the Earth to make a difference, there is alot of energy down there and an endless stream of decaying atoms to produce more, quite literally we could power our entire civilisation on geothermal for hundreds of thousands of years and never notice a difference.
@signalfire6 Worrisome? Hardly, it's just the way the Earth works, in fact Granites contain enough decaying material that there is a (tiny unless deep underground) measurable difference in temperature between a granitic intrusion and the surrounding rock. This property is another avenue being considered for geothermal extraction using what's known as the "dry rock" method.
I had never heard before that radioactive decay caused '99% of geothermal energy'. At the moment, anything radioactive is worrisome :-/ My understanding on geothermal was it was leftover heat at the core from the initial formation of the planet and gravitic compression.
@signalfire6 Ah, well as I've explained that's quite incorrect. You should also look up some real material on radiation, science is getting over it's cold war fears and realising that radiation isn't the bogeyman we thought it was.
Workers in British reactors receive a lower annual dosage than every citizen of Iran, because the background radiation there is higher. Even studies around Chernobyls red forest have revealed highly irradiated animals living perfectly healthy lives.
Can someone tell me how long distance wireless power is possible and if it is available today? if not then the premise of the video is wrong. good work xd
@3108711289 Who said anything about long distance wireless power? Tesla tried that...no workie. There is short range wireless power, which is possible within homes, but limited.
@3108711289 Oh that. lol. Well, I guess one could think of that as long distance wireless, but not really. The beam still goes to a receiving station and is then distributed conventionally to buildings. It's not like the beam is spread over the planet so every can "access the waves". It's just solar power, but instead of collected on Earth with all the reducers in play, it's collected in space in raw form.
@3108711289 What words did I put in your mouth? I told you what it was. And yes, the technology does exist, else Japan would not have invested it as a major project by JAXA, nor would NASA have done the research 30+ years ago and found it viable. The issue has never been capability, but cost. Go learn something before coping an attitude.
my friend, you implied that i said that the energy goes to each individual house which had nothing to do with what i was saying. thats why i got mad. was that a purposeful diversion or a unconcetrated ramble? if long distance wireless, as you say, has been in use for 30 yrs some applications would have used it, regardless of cost. im sry for outburst, lets keep it civil. p.s. found nothing linking jaxa to long distance wireless but in the future it will def exist.
@3108711289 Just google: Jaxa space based solar power, and you'll find several articles from JAXA itself on the subject. I have to know, what are you meaning by long distance wireless? I think we're having a disconnect in terms here.
Energy transmission (wireless) has existed for decades (radio, xray, gamma ray, microwave, etc). All this tech does is convert raw solar power in orbit and beam it to a receiving station on Earth, which is then distributed conventionally (with wires).
I love the Venus project. Naysayers, I don't see you doing anything about our sorry state of affairs. The thing I love about Jacque is that he's not trying to get you to buy in to his ideas he's just telling you about them. His system is far better than the one we have now and he even says, "there is no such thing as a perfect model"..or "perfect system"..you just work with what you have and make it better and better each time. (I'm paraphrasing that)
I readily agree with the vast majority of ideas and plans in the Venus Project and TZM, but am put off by the sensational production with which information is shared/expressed. I truly have cultivated an altruistic love for humanity and universal existence, but the tone of the videos...just sort of reminds me of the watching the "Cyberdyne" orientation video at the beginning of the Terminator ride at Universal Studios.
Where's the love? Give the facts and drop the sensationalism, be inviting.
@rrupple85 Catch 22...if I make it too flowery, then people think this is a hippie dope smoking "peace and love" movement. It's a bit of both, but either extreme could be expressed and whined about. As an engineer, I'd rather sensationalize the technology, knowing full well that by using one, you automatically fix the other.
It would also help to have a narrator voice that is clear instead of the "muffled" sound that is projected.. it makes the video sound like it came from the basement of someone in the late 1980's.
The main argument against The Venus Project should be "common sense". Jacques Fresco once suggested that a robot medical doctor be used to treat us and that all cars have a pendule to avoid drunk drivers. How can the man with all solutions for our problems elaborate so technologically dissimilar answers?
If you think that it makes sense, you should discuss your ideas with your pairs, such as a stone or an apple.
@Hassebrawbier It's a pendulum to avoid driving drunk, not avoid drunk drivers, and sometimes the best solution is the easiest solution. A pendulum would react to lateral drift, self correcting the car.
Just because one solution is simple & the other is complex doesn't discount the validity of the solutions presented. If that doesn't make sense, then you're just too ignorant to get it, like a stone or apple.
If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Don't write on a wall with such idiocy.
@TZMSocialEvolution "A pendulum would react to lateral drift, self correcting the car [when u r drunk]."
epic lol. So every time the road curves the car will think ur drunk, prevent u from turning and cause u to crash.
Fresco's solution to drunk driving is just as idiotic as his solution of eliminating money to better allocate resources. when u think his ideas through, u realize how unworkable they r
@kajmobile Oh right, as if the car can't align itself between the road lines using a laser tracking system and GPS coordination, using them as the baseline standard with which to determine the drift within the baseline. You're a fucking idiot. Come back to me when you have an ounce of intelligence in your hollow melon.
@kajmobile Why not? I'm okay with updating my thinking and applying a new and improved idea. Apparently you are not. All good. Now, you can litter my wall with more nonsense, or just be on your way and drift into the nothingness of cyberspace...where you belong. Just note, whatever you reply next, I won't reply. I have better things to do with my life than deal with pointless online debates on a Youtube thread.
@Beef1188 "He was just stating an example on how cars can be made safer"
and i was simply stating that his example doesnt work! and just like fresco is WRONG about how to make cars safe, he is wrong in claiming we dont need money or a govt.
the majority of what to produce is SUBJECTIVE so there is no correct scientific answer in what to produce. people demand FAR more than what we can produce so u need to ration. and u wont have enough volunteers so u need to pay people to work.
@kajmobile If you introduce access instead of property then the required amount of production would diminish severely. You don't need a drill or an angle grinder everyday, so if you could pick that up from a library-like institution instead of buying it - how would that not work?
Say what you will, automation if progressing on its own, its just a matter of time when technological unemployment will be so high that it would be meaningless to charge for anything since nobody would have any money.
@Beef1188 renting only works for a limited amount of goods that's y only a limited amount of goods r rented today. but if u forced people to rent everything that could be rentable that still only makes up a small % of total goods and does not eliminate the need to ration with money
if permanent unemployment from technology still hasnt happened after hundreds of years of automation, y do u think it will happen in the future? people will always find a way to be useful
@kajmobile Sure, i agree with that but unfortunately, the stockholders of companies and factories don't. Their blind obsession towards making profits by any means necesary actually signifies that they will reach out for maximum automation because its cheaper, doesn't need brakes or lunch and does the work up to 10 times faster.
You see, nobody doesn't have to do anything. The very core of the system is built so that it is ultimately self destructive and is moving toward TVP-like stuff by itslef.
although capitalism is self destructive, govts keep the system propped up. they intervene in the market with labor and welfare policies to make it perform better so that people dont overthrow it.
we r NOT moving towards an RBE where we eliminate money and stop paying people to work. what makes u say that we r!?! it is impossible to effectively run an economy without using money to ration and without paying people to work
@kajmobile No, we're not moving towards a resource based economy, we are moving towards a disaster that will trigger either "it" or some form of communism, basically bringing people back to the stone age.
Welfare? When almost everybody is unmeployed then will you put the whole planet on welfare? Don't fool yourself, since before the steam age, 80% of the workforce has migrated to the service sector and even now the service sector itself is beginning to be automated (eg vending machines etc)...
@Beef1188 ur whole premise is based on everyone becoming unemployed. but what makes u think everyone will be unemployed?
we have been automating for hundreds of years. it never has caused permanent unemployment. if even today's very advanced automation hasnt caused permanent unemployment, y do u think that will be changing in the near future!?!
just because we can automate some service jobs doesnt mean people no longer need to work!!
ur premise is ludicrous and not supported by facts.
@kajmobile What? hundreds of years? what is wrong with you? The first treadmill has appeared barely in 1890, how is from 1890 to 2011 hundreds of years?
Can't you see what's going on? Greece is bust, had to be bailed out twice now, ireland is rockbottom poor, next is portugal. The stock crashed in 2008 and is still limping, as for automation, due to these facts, factories are automating even more to survive, because automation is cheaper than labour.
the treadmill didnt mark the beginning of machinery or automation. the industrial revolution began in the 1700s and we used human saving machinery long b4 that
"Greece is bust"
just because the govt spends more than what it gets in taxes doesnt mean greece is bust or that we no longer need money or to pay people
@kajmobile There is an old saying: "There is not a bigger blind man then the one who doesn't wan't to see".
Whatever you say, however you put it, even if the TVP were not to exist, one thing is certain: The way things are is not working anymore. Half the planet is rioting, the other half is choking on exhaust vents, while oil production is still peaking when in fact we are using so much we can't pump it fast enough!
Are you gonna say its not true? why? because the TV said so?
@Beef1188 the problem with TVP is it recommends absurd solutions to real problems.
to solve poverty and inequality it says to eliminate money instead of just allocating income more equally and making sure everyone has a minimum income
and just because some people volunteer, it says to stop paying people altogether and have everyone volunteer.
and just because u dont vote on how to build a plane, u should never vote on anything.
@kajmobile What else do you do huh? What the fuck else? If you were an elevator man and get laid off because of electronics what the fuck will he do? what the fuck can he do?
Is there a name for that private little world of yours? where everything is ok, everybody works for max salary and they are all happy?
You are a spoiled little city boy who thinks gas comes from gas stations, milk from bottles and bread from bakeries. Tell me, your daddy buy your first car?
@Beef1188 "If you were an elevator man and get laid off because of electronics what the fuck will he do?"
r u really saying that the only job that exists is being an elevator man? and once u get fired from being an elevator man u can never get a job again!?!?
u guys just arent dealing with reality. despite the ever increasing progress of automation, the size of our workforce continues to GROW. there is no such thing as permanent unemployment from technology. there will always be jobs to do
@kajmobile Of course they are... underpaid, half time - half salary jobs, some of my friends need 2 jobs just to pay the bills. Sure they survive, but anyone decent would say what would be the point in surviving if you cannot live?
You're a spoiled daddy's boy who has it made and never had things squeal for you. Somebody should throw your ass into the street and make you work 2 jobs just so that you could pay a moldy apartment and have barely enough for something to eat.
@Beef1188 im glad u now see the absurdity of ur original claim that permanent technological unemployment exists. automation DOESNT cause permanent unemployment.
now hopefully i can get u to see that the answer to low wages is NOT to make everything free and refuse to pay workers.
the answer is to use money to pay people a more equal salary. if income was divided equally in the US, u would make $126k per year. the solution is better allocation of income
@kajmobile lol. You act as though money is as relevant as oxygen. Newsflash, it's not, and your solution becomes irrelevant within a Technical Abundance paradigm, and that's what we're heading towards. The longer you hold onto your frayed rope, the greater the chance it will snap and you'll plummet off the cliff. It's okay though. You keep trying to desperately hold onto broken ideologies. The rest of the world is advancing past you.
@TZMSocialEvolution Since the demand for labor far exceeds the available labor, money is a way to ration labor.
You say you no longer need money because of a "Technical Abundance paradigm". Fine. Then tell me SPECIFICALLY how a "Technical Abundance paradigm" rations labor or does away with the need to ration labor.
"The rest of the world is advancing past you."
Tell me SPECIFICALLY where in the world a society is advancing towards running their economy without using money.
@kajmobile You're awfully fond of rationing. I'm not. I'd rather let people work their passion while still having a high standard of living, and not have their work be a labor of necessity to survive & enrich someone else financially, but a work of passion to enlighten and enrich themselves & others around them.
Open source free information sharing like Wikipedia, open source free software like Linux, Firefox, etc. Time banking (free), organic food give away programs (Toronto does this), etc.
@TZMSocialEvolution "You're awfully fond of rationing. I'm not. I'd rather let people work their passion while still having a high standard of living"
How does letting people "work their passion" do away with the need to ration!?! And do you think the need to ration just magically goes away because you are not fond of it!?
@kajmobile Oh, and this will be my last reply to you, because you're not really worth my time. For every one of YOU out there, there are dozens of others moving towards a world without such rationing methods for survival. In short, screw rationing. That's a form of slavery we no longer need to adhere too. If you don't get that, if you can't comprehend that, and if you can't see the obvious examples of that, then too bad for you. I'm not hand holding you through it. Laters.
@TZMSocialEvolution "there are dozens of others moving towards a world without such rationing methods"
dont u think it requires more than just dozens of people to change a country's economic system?
dont u think u would get more than just a few dozen people if u had a better economic plan than just "screw rationing", everything is free, work only if u want to?
So your solution to the problem of rationing is to just ignore it despite the fact that the whole purpose of an economy is to ration. There would be no such thing as an economy if we didn't have to ration.
And your solution to people who criticize this approach to problem solving is to ignore them too.
So basically your solution to problems is to ignore them? Do you really think that is a recipe for improving the world?
@kajmobile But it isn't equal, that's what this is all about; about companies trying to profit by any means necesary, which in one turn means miserable salaries and on another - downsizing workforce. Essentially at the moment jobs are replaceable, but company greed will cause more and more automation, people only work in factories because it wasn't automated yet or company doesn't know it can be automated.
Ask yourself, who will get laid off first when a company is in trouble?
@Beef1188 "But it isn't equal, that's what this is all about"
DemandTheGoodLife(dot)com shows how to get more equal income in our current system by using taxes to pay everyone an extra $45k per year.
but if u want socialism like what TVP wants where the means of production r not privately owned for profit, u still need to ration production. an RBE wont work because u will have shortages in everything, u wont have enough volunteers and a computer cant make subjective allocation decisions
@kajmobile True, but if you looked more closely then you would see that TVP is not talking about ownership abundance but access abundance, which means you by definition don't have one of everyhting at home and if you needed something, say, a power drill, you go to library-like place and borrow it.
What would mean in this example is that with EXISTING levels of production (but automated) access abundance can be achieved. You just take stuff, use it, and give it back to the "library"!
@Beef1188 "TVP is not talking about ownership abundance but access abundance"
we already covered this.
renting only works for a limited amount of goods that's y only a limited amount of goods r rented today. the overwhelming majority of things u consume r not rentable.
even if u forced people to rent everything that could be rentable that still only makes up a small % of total goods. it does not eliminate the need to ration with money
plus when renting is free people will rent vastly more
@Beef1188 in order to make an economy without private ownership work, u need to price everything u make based on total labor hours. (to make it relevant in 2011 terms, u can just multiply labor hours by $60). so a widget that took 2 labor hours to produce will cost $120
ur total production would then be added up and divided up among the population as income. this way demand matches supply
view: watch?v=5U4e6ALxOhk
view all 3 videos. he is a published prof. on how a computer can run an economy
@kajmobile Then we're both barking into the moon. We are both making assumption based on presently awailable information, while time moves forward and nothing remains the same.
@TZMSocialEvolution Thank you for your reply, but I still can´t find it. Do you know the band or artist of that song? How exactly is it called, becuse I am searching for it a couple of days. Its important to me, I really appreciate your answer. Thank you.
@TZMSocialEvolution Coool, I got it. You have no idea how glad I am to have it. Thank you a lot, I appreciate your kindness to help me. take care, bye
GEOTHERMAL new studies show the destrusction of the environment around the GEOT sites flora fauna is vanishing the exaust contains CO2 and other material like heavy metals. energie production is not very efficient. turbines cannot run on the raw steam. high maintinance.
POWERSAT 20 times the energy able to be collected on the ground.beam has only 1/4 the power of the sun? hello ?how dioes that work?it doesnt. the beam would have to be denser. geosyncronus orbit= eclipse by moon or earth or both. ever heard of solar winds (meaning masses of onboard fuel) ever heard how much fuel is used to put a sat up in orbit?and it aint bio diesel.
as usual the only good thing in this TZM vid is the music.
SUNPOWER 18mw "Peak power" it couldnt power a town of 18000 nevermind any industry running robots or machines. the complete installation (transportation to fundations to solarcell) uses as much energy as it produces in its life time. it only works in the day. efficentcy of 15% (10%less if it gets to warm) doesnt work well with clouds. daily maintinance needed. needs wastefull /sensitive inverter technology
Improve the human condition: a flux of generational activity, competition, and psychogenic divisions within a mosaic global membership. Religious ideology speaks of "A World to Come" out of the crucible of life: messianic revolution, violence, war and peace. The West speaks of Westernization as Americanization and Globalization as Democratization: The End of History & The Clash of Civilizations. Technology has changed; but what of human nature and "The process of individualization?"
We can use technology to improve the human condition, everything to small changes to making human society better such as proposed in the Venus Project, to genetic modification which presents us with limitless possabilities.
Lewis Mumford explored the dynamics of Technics and Civilization in The City in History and The Pentagon of Power--while looking at the nature of the Human Being being human. "The Mind Alive" and "Understanding Fear in Ourselves and Others" by the Overstreet's explores the human condition and the process of individualization as a "Genius for Life." The Venus Project identifies an adult alternative: to participate knowingly in the creative mystique of a counter-cultural revolution.
@TZMSocialEvolution Jacque Fresco definitely deals with New World Organizations. The design illustrations are truly "Visionary" and "Planetary" in scale.
In 1974, I intuitively wanted to attend graduate school at the University of South Florida after graduating from FAU, an upper-division university with a progressive educational ideology.
If I had know of Jacque Fresco, I would have sought him out; instead, I sought out A&E firms in West Palm Beach looking for a mentor, but never found one.
@spiritech999 Ah, your use of NWO is far different than what it typically means in my experience. New World Order nonsense of big giant governments working together with banks so the elite rule the masses. Screw that! lol. We at TVP are completely opposed to that.
But yes, New World Organizations, as in 21st century thinking, is definitely the mind set.
@TZMSocialEvolution exactly ! the conatations that come with NWO are completely counter productive. A New World Order/organisation could be good or bad depending on the motivations behind the new system, this is one of the main sources of opposition towards The Venus Project that critics come up with and I find it incredibly infuriating, its a shame people jump to such ill-informed conclusions, but i geuss thats what the zeitgeist movement is trying to change
You can increase sphelar effiency by putting mirrors around cells to create box or sphere mirrors - more time beam cross cells more energy will be generated.
Now all we need is wireless energy transmission technology and a fleet of space shuttles to build the solar grid (don't those require fossil fuels to escape earth's gravity well?) If the power beam has an energy deisty 1/4 that of solar rays, then 4x more energy can be collected from a single solar ray than the power beam. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? Fusion power is far more practical. and how does this solve our environmental problems. Oil is necessary for making solar cells.
@BigDickandLittleJon Rocket fuel is hydrogen and oxygen, not fossil fuels. You need to learn the difference between energy density and energy. Plus, raw power beamed from space isn't disrupted by the atmosphere, day/night, or weather conditions, so you get full power 24/7/365, which is impossible using land based solar systems. Fusion still makes nasty waste, and is always "10 years away". It may still be achievable, but these other systems are proven now.
@TZMSocialEvolution The propellant mixture in SRBs consist of ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer, 69.6% by weight), aluminum (fuel, 16%), iron oxide (a catalyst, 0.4%), a polymer (such as PBAN or HTPB, 12.04%), and an epoxy curing agent (1.96%). This propellant is commonly referred to as Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant, or simply APCP. None of these components can be respectively isolated, mined, polymerized, or extracted without expending fossil fuels.
@BigDickandLittleJon See, you didn't mention the SRB's, you said Shuttle, and I am picky about the two. I don't like the SRB's either, but their pollution footprint isn't as bad as what cars shove out on a regular basis throughout the world, so I prefer to tackle the larger problems first.
I led a team that actually built an APCP rocket in college, went to 30k feet with a cool camera on board. Nice to see you've posted technical info, instead of just blabbing opinion. I respect this.
@TZMSocialEvolution Please define "raw power" as you are using it in the context of the proposed energy beam. What exactly are you proposing the orbital solar grid will send to earth? What form of energy that is? Photons? Radio waves? How will the satellite convert the solar energy into this form and direct it towards earth? Then how will it be collected and transformed into electricity for use on the surface? Until these problems are conclusively solved, the entire plan is a pipe dream.
@BigDickandLittleJon It's microwave energy, converted from direct solar radiation. Look up Space Based Solar Power and you'll find plenty of info on how it works. Plus I talk about it in my book. Every question you asked is covered and done. The plan is not a pipe dream, else Japan wouldn't be actually doing it. Again, do the research and you'll find the answers.
@TZMSocialEvolution A working fusion reactor has been constructed in Europe and we are not far from building one that will be large enough to produce more power than is required to contain the reaction. One step at a time. The direct "waste products" are Helium-4 and the neutron. The Helium-4 is
nothing to be concerned about - it's ordinary stable Helium. The structure of the fusion reactor does become irradiated and must not be added to the environment (but there are good solutions for that)
@TZMSocialEvolution please show me the evidence that these systems are proven?? where? rocket fuel is not just hydrogen and oxygen(they are only last stage fuels ) and you need to learn about energy density to :-P
Sometimes when I try to converse with someone about the technology of The Venus Project they flip and say the robots will enslave the human race. I think that's the only reason a lot of people- excluding trolls- are irrationally instantly against the project: Because they won't get their heads out of the movie theaters and into reality. I'm honestly a bit disgusted that these are people today. At least an intelligent person occasionally stands up and isn't afraid of being shot down by others.
ya, solar windows, beaming electricity from outer space, indoor gardening, plasma lighting, plasma technology, electric cars, and more could have been yours years ago ladies and gentlemen! this nutjob says so, so shall it be! forget the fact that the combustible engine is less than 100 years old, gimme a break. Lay down the CO2 bong and the global warming crack pipe... google "new ice age 1975" next time you check this page from Mom's basement.
@jgilmorejgi The more U talk, the more ignorant U prove yourself to be. Keep going, your shovel isn't nearly worn out enough.
U should study science history before U speak more. For example, Space Based Solar Power was conceived in 1968 by Dr. Peter Glaser. The physics has always existed. It was in the late 80's that the tech caught up to the physics.
Note: I'm not a global warmingist, a-hole. I just know, for fact, based on science and technical advancement, that we can do better.
@jgilmorejgi I just noticed that you 'liked' the Electric Universe. Funny how you come here and attack provable, demonstrated science and technology, but 'like' the Electric Universe theoretical science that hasn't been proved one bit, yet.
Oh, and FYI: I have talked with Mr. Thornhill several times and support his research and theories on several levels. Alternative thinking is a good thing. It still needs to be proved, but they're getting there.
@jgilmorejgi Nice try, but it's not Capitalism that drives innovation. It's curious scientific minded people that yearn to push physics and science to the next level.
The business people USE those scientists and their accomplishments for their own profit motivated ends...like JP Morgan did with Tesla.
In fact, Capitalism is HURTING our growth now, because it's simply not profitable to provide abundant energy, food, shelter, etc. to the world, even though we can. How nice...bullshit.
@TZMSocialEvolution SO you want Communist Anarchist Technocracy and prbly allso Transhumanism? Because this is what The Venus Project it, try visitng actt.com or what it communist anarchist?
@MagnitudePerson Not Communist (see videos on that). Def. not Anarchy (too violent). Not Technocracy (no credits, plus other differences). Absolutely not Transhumanism (no cyberpeople).
Every assertion you've made is bogus. Prove your claims, if you can. Show where we say such things. If you're just projecting what you "think", well, then that's on you, not on the Venus Project. There's a difference between fact and unsubstantiated personal opinion, a big one.
@jgilmorejgi How? Because honestly, if it wasn't for Capitalism and the need for profit over progress/people, this advanced technology would have been employed years ago around the globe and we would not be burning fossil fuels at all (using just the Energy example).
What you think is Capitalism progress is actually a shackle, because this stuff could have been done long ago, but profits are more important than doing the right thing. One must focus on time lines to get a proper perspective.
@TZMSocialEvolution Or State-socialism market socialism, Communism/Anarchism, Technocracy works better because they have a detailed TRANSISTING, unlike this where Roxxane and the Juqhe guy dont konw what to do and just yells excuses, pathetic
@MagnitudePerson No big government (virtually no government). We have a transition plan, but obviously you've not taken the time to find or read it. Pathetic is right, on your end.
I"m sorry I don't care what any society tells me....I am going to drive my Cadillac Escalade and ride my Harley Davidson as much and as often as I see fit!
EasternMerchant 3 months ago
Technology isn't the reason that The Venus Project is an utopia - politics is!
Mire082 3 months ago
When we have abundant, cheap, renewable energy, we need to get electric cars that can use this energy, and get off our oil drunkenness.
tgt305 6 months ago
@tgt305 -
renewables could have built themselves if they could match oil - windmills, solar concentrators could have been built in c19th; we had bicycles and electric trains, even today i do think private cars could be eliminated. (including using teleworking). I dont beleive renewables can match fossil-fuels. hydrogen fuel cell was invented at same time as internal combustion engine. Fossil-Fuels were like a lottery win. renewables are like low income from shit job.
walter0bz 5 months ago
They didn't discuss actually getting those satellites in orbit........
shadowsir 6 months ago
That Powersat thing is brilliant. When will we see it in use?
kaakatin 7 months ago
please tell me what the song is that plays in the beginning, I like it.
cobaltslayer 8 months ago
@cobaltslayer Copy and paste this in the search bar here on Youtube: watch?v=7E5fLiD35_c
Video titled: Ave Maria Remix von infokrieger23
TZMSocialEvolution 8 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Thank you :)
cobaltslayer 8 months ago
please tell me what the song is, I like it.
cobaltslayer 8 months ago
I just have one question. In the Venus Project/Zeitgeist Movement's vision, machines will free humans of labor. Who fixes the machines? Everything breaks down eventually.
UnchainTheNight1 9 months ago
@UnchainTheNight1 Thanks for the question. Machines provide abundance of all biological and quality of life needs and reduce the need for human labor, especially with respect to dirty and unsafe jobs, menial labor, and unnecessary physical labor. People will still work, like being the techs that fix, upgrade and advance technical systems if that's what they love to do. The point is that when your life needs are covered in abundance, you're free to work whatever your passionate about.
TZMSocialEvolution 8 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Thanks for the answer. I know for myself, I'd like to contribute to science. In the world TZM envisions, I could get the education. In our current reality, I can't do it because I can't afford a $100K and upwards education.
UnchainTheNight1 8 months ago
@UnchainTheNight1 Exactly, which is why I chuckle when people say that no one would do anything in such a world, because when people are truly free to learn whatever they want and it never jeopardizes their quality of life, there will be plenty of people who will do all kinds of amazing things. But in today's system, we have people who never have the chance to even try, or those who don't want a lifetime of debt on their shoulders, so they don't.
TZMSocialEvolution 8 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Absolutely. Keep up the good work.
UnchainTheNight1 8 months ago
panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en110526-3/en110526-3.html
The town is already made in Japan.
prahaai1 9 months ago
@prahaai1 Thanks for the info. Masdar is another one. Right thinking. It probably won't be as robust as what's possible, but it's a step in the right direction.
TZMSocialEvolution 9 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution The correct link is : popsci.com/science/article/2011-05/panasonic-plans-sustainable-smart-town-japan-2014
The other one doesn't work.
I love your project. :)
prahaai1 9 months ago
@prahaai1 link dosnt work
Zrego1987 8 months ago
of course, Tesla invented it a long time ago
stealthtank91 9 months ago
I don't really get Powersat. Can electricity really be sent through the air?
Luxembourglover 9 months ago
100 years ago, we didn't have the technology to fly, either... Look what we've done since then. Saying we don't have to technology to do this now, is like saying that it's pointless to send our children to school to learn the latest and greatest, in hopes that one of them will be the pioneer that takes us to that place.
pablojr2 9 months ago
TVP is not only focused on a power beam, it goes beyond that, the one thing that make me support TVP is the answer to this question: can we pass from scarcity to abundance with the actual technology? and the answer is yes, all the other things will flow fast when we surpass scarcity.
MetalBox10 11 months ago
Great work on these vids
JRD123456 1 year ago
I really hope that the venus project will become our real life status but
"June 5, 1975 NASA JPL Goldstone Demonstration of high power long distance wireless power transmission successfully transmitted 34kw of electrical power a distance of 1.5km at an efficiency of greater than 82%. At the time, it was the world record for high power long distance wireless power transmission, and it may remain the world record yet today"
schizokinesis 1 year ago
the power beam that,the power beam this,,what the hell is the power beam?with current wireless energy transfer technology only a few watts can be transmited,there is not (yet) a "power beam" that can transfer 2500MWs as claimed on their website
schizokinesis 1 year ago
@schizokinesis A low intensity focused microwave beam. Just research the topic and you'll find all sorts of literature on it from NASA, JAXA and other various scientific industry websites.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago 3
@TZMSocialEvolution Can't use microwaves. Microwaves will be absorbed by the moisture in the air.
ItsAReefer 1 year ago
@ItsAReefer Really? So I guess all the NASA, JAXA and independent research on the subject showing that it can be done is wrong? Doubtful. I'm not going into long discussions on this. The research is out there and easy to find. Go read it. :)
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution The research isn't wrong. Your over inflation of it's potential is wrong. There is no technology that can send thousands of megawatts of power wirelessly from orbit. I'm all for science and green energy, but the Venus project is people clinging to irrational dogma. Religion is believing something no matter what the evidence says. The Venus project is ill thought out pseudo science babble.
ItsAReefer 1 year ago
@ItsAReefer Ah, here we go. I was wondering when you were just going to attack TVP out of anger or fear. Typical. Look, TVP talks about a LOT more than just orbital energy systems. We advocate the entire spectrum of green energy systems as a means to clean up the planet and provide abundant energy for all people to live high standards of life. The problem you have, is that realistically you can't pigeonhole us, because we have countless works out there that would destroy your argument. Peace.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@ItsAReefer THE HATERS...THEY ARE HATING. ;)
petrus4 1 year ago
Other advancements include puncture-resistant tires, infra-red and night vision designed into windshields, proximity sensors that "see" pedestrians and cyclists, electric sports cars like the Tesla Roadster, liquid cooled ceramic braking systems combined with elevating tail wings as seen on the Bugatti Veyron (100 KM/hr to 0 in 2.3 secs), gasoline to hydrogen conversion, solar skins, automated driving systems, contour seating, advanced machining to reduce component parts and much more.
GimmeTheReason 1 year ago
Few people realize the vast technological applications that exist today for advancing automobiles such as 360 degree sensor systems when combined with wireless car-to-car communications can prevent any type of collision from occuring because each vehicle on the road is not only aware of each other but are in direct communication with each other through on-board computers. Due to both cost & affordability within the monetary system these advancements come about painfully slow. We can change this.
GimmeTheReason 1 year ago
Who will run or govern all these departments? I don't understand. There has to be government on some level no?
prowlingligressa 1 year ago
@prowlingligressa On some level, sure, but nothing like what we have today at all. Even calling it govt is a misnomer if based on today's definition of govt. A govt is supposed to govern something, no matter the scale or task. All depts would be comprised of subject matter experts who are qualified to handle issues in that dept that need to be solved. No different than space shuttle program depts who manage the proper functioning of the shuttle for missions.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
good info its great but the music... doesn't suit the values of the project and movement. its cheap & sounds like fake hip hop mixed with a lousy new age trippy vibe
sorry :))
NAIVADA 1 year ago
Soundtrack to this anyone?
velvetheat08 1 year ago
Nikola Tesla had a plan to generate free power for everyone, But J.P. Morgan was his backer and didn't want to give away free anything. Tesla built some contraption where you could just stick a light bulb in the ground and it would work. Too bad they suppressed his work and burned down his warehouse. Think about where we'd be at today.
Don't Forget Tesla!
sethzky77 1 year ago
My question is, how does converting the earth's magma/heat into energy change the environment, and the crust of the earth, over time?
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn Probably no more different than when nature converts it into energy in one giant volcano blast, or earthquake. The difference being that we can do it in slow, controlled methods, whereas nature does it in dramatic fashion. lol. Oh, and of course we can use that energy to live off of, whereas when nature erupts, it's more catastrophic and disastrous.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago 2
@TZMSocialEvolution That's a great answer thank you.
Juefawn 1 year ago
@Juefawn
As a geoscience undergrad I can tell you that it doesn't at all, all your doing is taking out thermal energy that would be lost to space as infrared radiation otherwise. There's not even any concern for cooling down the earth since 99% of geothermal energy is generated by radioactive decay and only 0.5% of what is there today is left over from the initial hot condition.
Kenslov 1 year ago
@Kenslov
Since you have the training, there's a question I've had. Does the earth's core generate more heat all the time by virtue of the spin of the earth; what I mean is, if we take a lot of heat out over time, will it be replaced and if not, will that cause problems over time? 99% of geothermal is radioactive decay, really?? In some ways, that's quite worrisome. Thanks for your time
signalfire6 11 months ago
@signalfire6 I think your reply came to me, not Kenslov, unless it came to both of us.
TZMSocialEvolution 11 months ago
@signalfire6 Nah the spin of the earth is an insignificant contributor to geothermal energy. And in practice it's nigh impossible to take enough heat out of the Earth to make a difference, there is alot of energy down there and an endless stream of decaying atoms to produce more, quite literally we could power our entire civilisation on geothermal for hundreds of thousands of years and never notice a difference.
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Kenslov 11 months ago
@signalfire6 Worrisome? Hardly, it's just the way the Earth works, in fact Granites contain enough decaying material that there is a (tiny unless deep underground) measurable difference in temperature between a granitic intrusion and the surrounding rock. This property is another avenue being considered for geothermal extraction using what's known as the "dry rock" method.
Why worrisome if I can ask?
Kenslov 11 months ago
@Kenslov
I had never heard before that radioactive decay caused '99% of geothermal energy'. At the moment, anything radioactive is worrisome :-/ My understanding on geothermal was it was leftover heat at the core from the initial formation of the planet and gravitic compression.
signalfire6 11 months ago
@signalfire6 Ah, well as I've explained that's quite incorrect. You should also look up some real material on radiation, science is getting over it's cold war fears and realising that radiation isn't the bogeyman we thought it was.
Workers in British reactors receive a lower annual dosage than every citizen of Iran, because the background radiation there is higher. Even studies around Chernobyls red forest have revealed highly irradiated animals living perfectly healthy lives.
Kenslov 11 months ago
Interesting video but it is in need of compression for faster loading. It was stalling about every 3-5 seconds...very very very S...L...O....W
gr8light 1 year ago
@gr8light Worked for me?
Juefawn 1 year ago
Can someone tell me how long distance wireless power is possible and if it is available today? if not then the premise of the video is wrong. good work xd
3108711289 1 year ago
@3108711289 Who said anything about long distance wireless power? Tesla tried that...no workie. There is short range wireless power, which is possible within homes, but limited.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution
3:07 - 3:18
that looks like long distance wireless power to me.
3108711289 1 year ago
@3108711289 Oh that. lol. Well, I guess one could think of that as long distance wireless, but not really. The beam still goes to a receiving station and is then distributed conventionally to buildings. It's not like the beam is spread over the planet so every can "access the waves". It's just solar power, but instead of collected on Earth with all the reducers in play, it's collected in space in raw form.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution
Talk about putting words in my mouth. that i do not appreciate. and to end this; that technology does not exist (but might in ten years)
3108711289 1 year ago
@3108711289 What words did I put in your mouth? I told you what it was. And yes, the technology does exist, else Japan would not have invested it as a major project by JAXA, nor would NASA have done the research 30+ years ago and found it viable. The issue has never been capability, but cost. Go learn something before coping an attitude.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution
my friend, you implied that i said that the energy goes to each individual house which had nothing to do with what i was saying. thats why i got mad. was that a purposeful diversion or a unconcetrated ramble? if long distance wireless, as you say, has been in use for 30 yrs some applications would have used it, regardless of cost. im sry for outburst, lets keep it civil. p.s. found nothing linking jaxa to long distance wireless but in the future it will def exist.
3108711289 1 year ago
@3108711289 Just google: Jaxa space based solar power, and you'll find several articles from JAXA itself on the subject. I have to know, what are you meaning by long distance wireless? I think we're having a disconnect in terms here.
Energy transmission (wireless) has existed for decades (radio, xray, gamma ray, microwave, etc). All this tech does is convert raw solar power in orbit and beam it to a receiving station on Earth, which is then distributed conventionally (with wires).
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
I love the Venus project. Naysayers, I don't see you doing anything about our sorry state of affairs. The thing I love about Jacque is that he's not trying to get you to buy in to his ideas he's just telling you about them. His system is far better than the one we have now and he even says, "there is no such thing as a perfect model"..or "perfect system"..you just work with what you have and make it better and better each time. (I'm paraphrasing that)
LightCyrus 1 year ago
amazing.congratulations
sclarenonz 1 year ago
what is the name of 1st song?
silw3striux9 1 year ago
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silw3striux9 1 year ago
I never heard of something like a power transmitting system.
Is that really possible with reasonable efficiency at all ?
halo2pc 1 year ago
@halo2pc yes,sure it is
willywirth1 1 year ago
I readily agree with the vast majority of ideas and plans in the Venus Project and TZM, but am put off by the sensational production with which information is shared/expressed. I truly have cultivated an altruistic love for humanity and universal existence, but the tone of the videos...just sort of reminds me of the watching the "Cyberdyne" orientation video at the beginning of the Terminator ride at Universal Studios.
Where's the love? Give the facts and drop the sensationalism, be inviting.
rrupple85 1 year ago 3
@rrupple85 Catch 22...if I make it too flowery, then people think this is a hippie dope smoking "peace and love" movement. It's a bit of both, but either extreme could be expressed and whined about. As an engineer, I'd rather sensationalize the technology, knowing full well that by using one, you automatically fix the other.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago 6
@rrupple85
It would also help to have a narrator voice that is clear instead of the "muffled" sound that is projected.. it makes the video sound like it came from the basement of someone in the late 1980's.
BeyondDGrave 1 year ago
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rrupple85 1 year ago
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rrupple85 1 year ago
First time I've seen some of these ideas. Very cool.
barrywilliamsmb 1 year ago
The main argument against The Venus Project should be "common sense". Jacques Fresco once suggested that a robot medical doctor be used to treat us and that all cars have a pendule to avoid drunk drivers. How can the man with all solutions for our problems elaborate so technologically dissimilar answers?
If you think that it makes sense, you should discuss your ideas with your pairs, such as a stone or an apple.
Hassebrawbier 1 year ago
@Hassebrawbier It's a pendulum to avoid driving drunk, not avoid drunk drivers, and sometimes the best solution is the easiest solution. A pendulum would react to lateral drift, self correcting the car.
Just because one solution is simple & the other is complex doesn't discount the validity of the solutions presented. If that doesn't make sense, then you're just too ignorant to get it, like a stone or apple.
If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Don't write on a wall with such idiocy.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago 20
@TZMSocialEvolution Douglas your work for the VP is amazing! And the ease at which you dispel the invalid, insulting remarks is entertaining:)
First they laugh then they.....get a clue
blaziermissy 1 year ago 2
@TZMSocialEvolution "A pendulum would react to lateral drift, self correcting the car [when u r drunk]."
epic lol. So every time the road curves the car will think ur drunk, prevent u from turning and cause u to crash.
Fresco's solution to drunk driving is just as idiotic as his solution of eliminating money to better allocate resources. when u think his ideas through, u realize how unworkable they r
kajmobile 11 months ago
@kajmobile Oh right, as if the car can't align itself between the road lines using a laser tracking system and GPS coordination, using them as the baseline standard with which to determine the drift within the baseline. You're a fucking idiot. Come back to me when you have an ounce of intelligence in your hollow melon.
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution so now a laser tracking system that follows lines is what u really meant and not a pendulum that responds to lateral drift?
the lols keep rolling
spare urself further embarrassment and just delete these comments.
kajmobile 10 months ago
@kajmobile Why not? I'm okay with updating my thinking and applying a new and improved idea. Apparently you are not. All good. Now, you can litter my wall with more nonsense, or just be on your way and drift into the nothingness of cyberspace...where you belong. Just note, whatever you reply next, I won't reply. I have better things to do with my life than deal with pointless online debates on a Youtube thread.
TZMSocialEvolution 10 months ago
@kajmobile He was just stating an example on how cars can be made safer. One doesn't have to do with the other.
Stop attacking him just so that you would have someone to pick on! Its not his fault these topics are beyond your comprehension.
Beef1188 10 months ago
@Beef1188 "He was just stating an example on how cars can be made safer"
and i was simply stating that his example doesnt work! and just like fresco is WRONG about how to make cars safe, he is wrong in claiming we dont need money or a govt.
the majority of what to produce is SUBJECTIVE so there is no correct scientific answer in what to produce. people demand FAR more than what we can produce so u need to ration. and u wont have enough volunteers so u need to pay people to work.
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile If you introduce access instead of property then the required amount of production would diminish severely. You don't need a drill or an angle grinder everyday, so if you could pick that up from a library-like institution instead of buying it - how would that not work?
Say what you will, automation if progressing on its own, its just a matter of time when technological unemployment will be so high that it would be meaningless to charge for anything since nobody would have any money.
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 renting only works for a limited amount of goods that's y only a limited amount of goods r rented today. but if u forced people to rent everything that could be rentable that still only makes up a small % of total goods and does not eliminate the need to ration with money
if permanent unemployment from technology still hasnt happened after hundreds of years of automation, y do u think it will happen in the future? people will always find a way to be useful
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile Sure, i agree with that but unfortunately, the stockholders of companies and factories don't. Their blind obsession towards making profits by any means necesary actually signifies that they will reach out for maximum automation because its cheaper, doesn't need brakes or lunch and does the work up to 10 times faster.
You see, nobody doesn't have to do anything. The very core of the system is built so that it is ultimately self destructive and is moving toward TVP-like stuff by itslef.
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 stockholders dont agree with what?
although capitalism is self destructive, govts keep the system propped up. they intervene in the market with labor and welfare policies to make it perform better so that people dont overthrow it.
we r NOT moving towards an RBE where we eliminate money and stop paying people to work. what makes u say that we r!?! it is impossible to effectively run an economy without using money to ration and without paying people to work
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile No, we're not moving towards a resource based economy, we are moving towards a disaster that will trigger either "it" or some form of communism, basically bringing people back to the stone age.
Welfare? When almost everybody is unmeployed then will you put the whole planet on welfare? Don't fool yourself, since before the steam age, 80% of the workforce has migrated to the service sector and even now the service sector itself is beginning to be automated (eg vending machines etc)...
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 ur whole premise is based on everyone becoming unemployed. but what makes u think everyone will be unemployed?
we have been automating for hundreds of years. it never has caused permanent unemployment. if even today's very advanced automation hasnt caused permanent unemployment, y do u think that will be changing in the near future!?!
just because we can automate some service jobs doesnt mean people no longer need to work!!
ur premise is ludicrous and not supported by facts.
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile What? hundreds of years? what is wrong with you? The first treadmill has appeared barely in 1890, how is from 1890 to 2011 hundreds of years?
Can't you see what's going on? Greece is bust, had to be bailed out twice now, ireland is rockbottom poor, next is portugal. The stock crashed in 2008 and is still limping, as for automation, due to these facts, factories are automating even more to survive, because automation is cheaper than labour.
Its happening in front of you man!
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 "The first treadmill appeared in 1890"
the treadmill didnt mark the beginning of machinery or automation. the industrial revolution began in the 1700s and we used human saving machinery long b4 that
"Greece is bust"
just because the govt spends more than what it gets in taxes doesnt mean greece is bust or that we no longer need money or to pay people
"The stock crashed in 2008"
and completely rebounded
"factories are automating"
and still hasnt caused permanent unemployment
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile There is an old saying: "There is not a bigger blind man then the one who doesn't wan't to see".
Whatever you say, however you put it, even if the TVP were not to exist, one thing is certain: The way things are is not working anymore. Half the planet is rioting, the other half is choking on exhaust vents, while oil production is still peaking when in fact we are using so much we can't pump it fast enough!
Are you gonna say its not true? why? because the TV said so?
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 yes there r problems in the world. but the solution is NOT to eliminate money and stop paying people to work.
and half the world is NOT rioting.
and the world works just fine for most of the people in the developed world.
TVP solutions r not grounded in reality. and TVP followers make claims not grounded in facts.
kajmobile 8 months ago
@Beef1188 the problem with TVP is it recommends absurd solutions to real problems.
to solve poverty and inequality it says to eliminate money instead of just allocating income more equally and making sure everyone has a minimum income
and just because some people volunteer, it says to stop paying people altogether and have everyone volunteer.
and just because u dont vote on how to build a plane, u should never vote on anything.
it is one absurd idea after another
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile What you said is entirely subjective and empirically unfounded. You >picked< your truth!
Money is the reason for powerty. Food producers throw away food because its cheaper than to ship to starwing children in africa.
The people you vote for are the people who get the most money to get into the goverment. You call that free democracy?
Automation means having almost no one to work because they are not needed. What purpose would there be in having money if nobody could earn it?
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 "Money is the reason for powerty"
this is what i mean about absurdity. people r poor because they LACK money not because they have money!!
"The people you vote for are the people who get the most money"
people r not forced to vote for the ones with the most money. thats not how democracy works! u vote for WHOEVER u want.
"Automation means having almost no one to work"
another absurdity. name a single economy that has no workers. automation means U DO SOMETHING ELSE.
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile What else do you do huh? What the fuck else? If you were an elevator man and get laid off because of electronics what the fuck will he do? what the fuck can he do?
Is there a name for that private little world of yours? where everything is ok, everybody works for max salary and they are all happy?
You are a spoiled little city boy who thinks gas comes from gas stations, milk from bottles and bread from bakeries. Tell me, your daddy buy your first car?
Butt whipe...
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 "If you were an elevator man and get laid off because of electronics what the fuck will he do?"
r u really saying that the only job that exists is being an elevator man? and once u get fired from being an elevator man u can never get a job again!?!?
u guys just arent dealing with reality. despite the ever increasing progress of automation, the size of our workforce continues to GROW. there is no such thing as permanent unemployment from technology. there will always be jobs to do
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile Of course they are... underpaid, half time - half salary jobs, some of my friends need 2 jobs just to pay the bills. Sure they survive, but anyone decent would say what would be the point in surviving if you cannot live?
You're a spoiled daddy's boy who has it made and never had things squeal for you. Somebody should throw your ass into the street and make you work 2 jobs just so that you could pay a moldy apartment and have barely enough for something to eat.
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 im glad u now see the absurdity of ur original claim that permanent technological unemployment exists. automation DOESNT cause permanent unemployment.
now hopefully i can get u to see that the answer to low wages is NOT to make everything free and refuse to pay workers.
the answer is to use money to pay people a more equal salary. if income was divided equally in the US, u would make $126k per year. the solution is better allocation of income
see: DemandTheGoodLife(dot)com
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile lol. You act as though money is as relevant as oxygen. Newsflash, it's not, and your solution becomes irrelevant within a Technical Abundance paradigm, and that's what we're heading towards. The longer you hold onto your frayed rope, the greater the chance it will snap and you'll plummet off the cliff. It's okay though. You keep trying to desperately hold onto broken ideologies. The rest of the world is advancing past you.
TZMSocialEvolution 8 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Since the demand for labor far exceeds the available labor, money is a way to ration labor.
You say you no longer need money because of a "Technical Abundance paradigm". Fine. Then tell me SPECIFICALLY how a "Technical Abundance paradigm" rations labor or does away with the need to ration labor.
"The rest of the world is advancing past you."
Tell me SPECIFICALLY where in the world a society is advancing towards running their economy without using money.
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile You're awfully fond of rationing. I'm not. I'd rather let people work their passion while still having a high standard of living, and not have their work be a labor of necessity to survive & enrich someone else financially, but a work of passion to enlighten and enrich themselves & others around them.
Open source free information sharing like Wikipedia, open source free software like Linux, Firefox, etc. Time banking (free), organic food give away programs (Toronto does this), etc.
TZMSocialEvolution 8 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution "You're awfully fond of rationing. I'm not. I'd rather let people work their passion while still having a high standard of living"
How does letting people "work their passion" do away with the need to ration!?! And do you think the need to ration just magically goes away because you are not fond of it!?
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile Oh, and this will be my last reply to you, because you're not really worth my time. For every one of YOU out there, there are dozens of others moving towards a world without such rationing methods for survival. In short, screw rationing. That's a form of slavery we no longer need to adhere too. If you don't get that, if you can't comprehend that, and if you can't see the obvious examples of that, then too bad for you. I'm not hand holding you through it. Laters.
TZMSocialEvolution 8 months ago
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@TZMSocialEvolution "there are dozens of others moving towards a world without such rationing methods"
dont u think it requires more than just dozens of people to change a country's economic system?
dont u think u would get more than just a few dozen people if u had a better economic plan than just "screw rationing", everything is free, work only if u want to?
kajmobile 8 months ago
@TZMSocialEvolution "and this will be my last reply to you"
So your solution to the problem of rationing is to just ignore it despite the fact that the whole purpose of an economy is to ration. There would be no such thing as an economy if we didn't have to ration.
And your solution to people who criticize this approach to problem solving is to ignore them too.
So basically your solution to problems is to ignore them? Do you really think that is a recipe for improving the world?
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile But it isn't equal, that's what this is all about; about companies trying to profit by any means necesary, which in one turn means miserable salaries and on another - downsizing workforce. Essentially at the moment jobs are replaceable, but company greed will cause more and more automation, people only work in factories because it wasn't automated yet or company doesn't know it can be automated.
Ask yourself, who will get laid off first when a company is in trouble?
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 "But it isn't equal, that's what this is all about"
DemandTheGoodLife(dot)com shows how to get more equal income in our current system by using taxes to pay everyone an extra $45k per year.
but if u want socialism like what TVP wants where the means of production r not privately owned for profit, u still need to ration production. an RBE wont work because u will have shortages in everything, u wont have enough volunteers and a computer cant make subjective allocation decisions
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile True, but if you looked more closely then you would see that TVP is not talking about ownership abundance but access abundance, which means you by definition don't have one of everyhting at home and if you needed something, say, a power drill, you go to library-like place and borrow it.
What would mean in this example is that with EXISTING levels of production (but automated) access abundance can be achieved. You just take stuff, use it, and give it back to the "library"!
Beef1188 8 months ago
@Beef1188 "TVP is not talking about ownership abundance but access abundance"
we already covered this.
renting only works for a limited amount of goods that's y only a limited amount of goods r rented today. the overwhelming majority of things u consume r not rentable.
even if u forced people to rent everything that could be rentable that still only makes up a small % of total goods. it does not eliminate the need to ration with money
plus when renting is free people will rent vastly more
kajmobile 8 months ago
@Beef1188 in order to make an economy without private ownership work, u need to price everything u make based on total labor hours. (to make it relevant in 2011 terms, u can just multiply labor hours by $60). so a widget that took 2 labor hours to produce will cost $120
ur total production would then be added up and divided up among the population as income. this way demand matches supply
view: watch?v=5U4e6ALxOhk
view all 3 videos. he is a published prof. on how a computer can run an economy
kajmobile 8 months ago
@kajmobile Then we're both barking into the moon. We are both making assumption based on presently awailable information, while time moves forward and nothing remains the same.
Time will tell who's right.
Beef1188 8 months ago
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@Beef1188 "We are both making assumption"
You think the need to ration is an unfounded assumption I'm making!? lol
if u took a basics economics course, u would learn differently.
but does ur common sense really tell u that people will demand only what they do now if u made everything free!?!?!?!
stop getting ur education from utube conspiracy movies and use textbooks instead.
kajmobile 8 months ago
Hello guys,
can somebody help me to identify a music at the beginning of this movie? Not only movie is great and helpful, music too.
Somebody knows an artist of that first song? I´ll be very grateful for any ideas or something similar. Thanks a lot..
green25441 1 year ago
@green25441 I posted the link to the opening song on Youtube earlier in this thread.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Thank you for your reply, but I still can´t find it. Do you know the band or artist of that song? How exactly is it called, becuse I am searching for it a couple of days. Its important to me, I really appreciate your answer. Thank you.
green25441 1 year ago
@green25441 Copy and paste this in the search bar here on Youtube:
watch?v=7E5fLiD35_c
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Coool, I got it. You have no idea how glad I am to have it. Thank you a lot, I appreciate your kindness to help me. take care, bye
green25441 1 year ago
@green25441 It's the Ave Maria Remix.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
GEOTHERMAL new studies show the destrusction of the environment around the GEOT sites flora fauna is vanishing the exaust contains CO2 and other material like heavy metals. energie production is not very efficient. turbines cannot run on the raw steam. high maintinance.
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
POWERSAT 20 times the energy able to be collected on the ground.beam has only 1/4 the power of the sun? hello ?how dioes that work?it doesnt. the beam would have to be denser. geosyncronus orbit= eclipse by moon or earth or both. ever heard of solar winds (meaning masses of onboard fuel) ever heard how much fuel is used to put a sat up in orbit?and it aint bio diesel.
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
SPEHLAR solar glass.minimum of 10 60 watt bulbs to power a small modell train. even more inefficient than the SUNPOWER system.
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
as usual the only good thing in this TZM vid is the music.
SUNPOWER 18mw "Peak power" it couldnt power a town of 18000 nevermind any industry running robots or machines. the complete installation (transportation to fundations to solarcell) uses as much energy as it produces in its life time. it only works in the day. efficentcy of 15% (10%less if it gets to warm) doesnt work well with clouds. daily maintinance needed. needs wastefull /sensitive inverter technology
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
@spiritech999
So you basically saiyng we should quit all attempts at improving our current condition?
Takua38000 1 year ago
@Takua38000
Improve the human condition: a flux of generational activity, competition, and psychogenic divisions within a mosaic global membership. Religious ideology speaks of "A World to Come" out of the crucible of life: messianic revolution, violence, war and peace. The West speaks of Westernization as Americanization and Globalization as Democratization: The End of History & The Clash of Civilizations. Technology has changed; but what of human nature and "The process of individualization?"
spiritech999 1 year ago
@spiritech999
We can use technology to improve the human condition, everything to small changes to making human society better such as proposed in the Venus Project, to genetic modification which presents us with limitless possabilities.
Takua38000 1 year ago
@Takua38000
Lewis Mumford explored the dynamics of Technics and Civilization in The City in History and The Pentagon of Power--while looking at the nature of the Human Being being human. "The Mind Alive" and "Understanding Fear in Ourselves and Others" by the Overstreet's explores the human condition and the process of individualization as a "Genius for Life." The Venus Project identifies an adult alternative: to participate knowingly in the creative mystique of a counter-cultural revolution.
spiritech999 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Jacque Fresco definitely deals with New World Organizations. The design illustrations are truly "Visionary" and "Planetary" in scale.
In 1974, I intuitively wanted to attend graduate school at the University of South Florida after graduating from FAU, an upper-division university with a progressive educational ideology.
If I had know of Jacque Fresco, I would have sought him out; instead, I sought out A&E firms in West Palm Beach looking for a mentor, but never found one.
spiritech999 1 year ago
@spiritech999 Ah, your use of NWO is far different than what it typically means in my experience. New World Order nonsense of big giant governments working together with banks so the elite rule the masses. Screw that! lol. We at TVP are completely opposed to that.
But yes, New World Organizations, as in 21st century thinking, is definitely the mind set.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution exactly ! the conatations that come with NWO are completely counter productive. A New World Order/organisation could be good or bad depending on the motivations behind the new system, this is one of the main sources of opposition towards The Venus Project that critics come up with and I find it incredibly infuriating, its a shame people jump to such ill-informed conclusions, but i geuss thats what the zeitgeist movement is trying to change
TheHappydead 1 year ago
You can increase sphelar effiency by putting mirrors around cells to create box or sphere mirrors - more time beam cross cells more energy will be generated.
liutasx 1 year ago
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Solar farms...so cool. Watch this!
benjaminblack12 1 year ago
Now all we need is wireless energy transmission technology and a fleet of space shuttles to build the solar grid (don't those require fossil fuels to escape earth's gravity well?) If the power beam has an energy deisty 1/4 that of solar rays, then 4x more energy can be collected from a single solar ray than the power beam. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? Fusion power is far more practical. and how does this solve our environmental problems. Oil is necessary for making solar cells.
BigDickandLittleJon 1 year ago
@BigDickandLittleJon Rocket fuel is hydrogen and oxygen, not fossil fuels. You need to learn the difference between energy density and energy. Plus, raw power beamed from space isn't disrupted by the atmosphere, day/night, or weather conditions, so you get full power 24/7/365, which is impossible using land based solar systems. Fusion still makes nasty waste, and is always "10 years away". It may still be achievable, but these other systems are proven now.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution The propellant mixture in SRBs consist of ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer, 69.6% by weight), aluminum (fuel, 16%), iron oxide (a catalyst, 0.4%), a polymer (such as PBAN or HTPB, 12.04%), and an epoxy curing agent (1.96%). This propellant is commonly referred to as Ammonium Perchlorate Composite Propellant, or simply APCP. None of these components can be respectively isolated, mined, polymerized, or extracted without expending fossil fuels.
BigDickandLittleJon 1 year ago
@BigDickandLittleJon See, you didn't mention the SRB's, you said Shuttle, and I am picky about the two. I don't like the SRB's either, but their pollution footprint isn't as bad as what cars shove out on a regular basis throughout the world, so I prefer to tackle the larger problems first.
I led a team that actually built an APCP rocket in college, went to 30k feet with a cool camera on board. Nice to see you've posted technical info, instead of just blabbing opinion. I respect this.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Please define "raw power" as you are using it in the context of the proposed energy beam. What exactly are you proposing the orbital solar grid will send to earth? What form of energy that is? Photons? Radio waves? How will the satellite convert the solar energy into this form and direct it towards earth? Then how will it be collected and transformed into electricity for use on the surface? Until these problems are conclusively solved, the entire plan is a pipe dream.
BigDickandLittleJon 1 year ago
@BigDickandLittleJon It's microwave energy, converted from direct solar radiation. Look up Space Based Solar Power and you'll find plenty of info on how it works. Plus I talk about it in my book. Every question you asked is covered and done. The plan is not a pipe dream, else Japan wouldn't be actually doing it. Again, do the research and you'll find the answers.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution A working fusion reactor has been constructed in Europe and we are not far from building one that will be large enough to produce more power than is required to contain the reaction. One step at a time. The direct "waste products" are Helium-4 and the neutron. The Helium-4 is
nothing to be concerned about - it's ordinary stable Helium. The structure of the fusion reactor does become irradiated and must not be added to the environment (but there are good solutions for that)
BigDickandLittleJon 1 year ago
@BigDickandLittleJon I look forward to seeing the research papers on this.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@BigDickandLittleJon your going to have to give me the link to that so i can show my boss:-)
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution please show me the evidence that these systems are proven?? where? rocket fuel is not just hydrogen and oxygen(they are only last stage fuels ) and you need to learn about energy density to :-P
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
Sometimes when I try to converse with someone about the technology of The Venus Project they flip and say the robots will enslave the human race. I think that's the only reason a lot of people- excluding trolls- are irrationally instantly against the project: Because they won't get their heads out of the movie theaters and into reality. I'm honestly a bit disgusted that these are people today. At least an intelligent person occasionally stands up and isn't afraid of being shot down by others.
Xreaper2070 1 year ago
@Xreaper2070 then try and shoot me down psyco!!
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
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Xreaper2070 1 year ago
Thanks for this Awesome Video that only shows a fraction of what is possible today... Great Job !
FieserxFettsack 1 year ago
@FieserxFettsack and only shows a fraction of what is possible in the future.
lookingforthemeaning 1 year ago
ya, solar windows, beaming electricity from outer space, indoor gardening, plasma lighting, plasma technology, electric cars, and more could have been yours years ago ladies and gentlemen! this nutjob says so, so shall it be! forget the fact that the combustible engine is less than 100 years old, gimme a break. Lay down the CO2 bong and the global warming crack pipe... google "new ice age 1975" next time you check this page from Mom's basement.
jgilmorejgi 1 year ago
@jgilmorejgi The more U talk, the more ignorant U prove yourself to be. Keep going, your shovel isn't nearly worn out enough.
U should study science history before U speak more. For example, Space Based Solar Power was conceived in 1968 by Dr. Peter Glaser. The physics has always existed. It was in the late 80's that the tech caught up to the physics.
Note: I'm not a global warmingist, a-hole. I just know, for fact, based on science and technical advancement, that we can do better.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@jgilmorejgi I just noticed that you 'liked' the Electric Universe. Funny how you come here and attack provable, demonstrated science and technology, but 'like' the Electric Universe theoretical science that hasn't been proved one bit, yet.
Oh, and FYI: I have talked with Mr. Thornhill several times and support his research and theories on several levels. Alternative thinking is a good thing. It still needs to be proved, but they're getting there.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
hmmm..
jgilmorejgi 1 year ago
score another point for capitalism.
jgilmorejgi 1 year ago
@jgilmorejgi Nice try, but it's not Capitalism that drives innovation. It's curious scientific minded people that yearn to push physics and science to the next level.
The business people USE those scientists and their accomplishments for their own profit motivated ends...like JP Morgan did with Tesla.
In fact, Capitalism is HURTING our growth now, because it's simply not profitable to provide abundant energy, food, shelter, etc. to the world, even though we can. How nice...bullshit.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago 2
@TZMSocialEvolution SO you want Communist Anarchist Technocracy and prbly allso Transhumanism? Because this is what The Venus Project it, try visitng actt.com or what it communist anarchist?
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
@MagnitudePerson Not Communist (see videos on that). Def. not Anarchy (too violent). Not Technocracy (no credits, plus other differences). Absolutely not Transhumanism (no cyberpeople).
Every assertion you've made is bogus. Prove your claims, if you can. Show where we say such things. If you're just projecting what you "think", well, then that's on you, not on the Venus Project. There's a difference between fact and unsubstantiated personal opinion, a big one.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@jgilmorejgi How? Because honestly, if it wasn't for Capitalism and the need for profit over progress/people, this advanced technology would have been employed years ago around the globe and we would not be burning fossil fuels at all (using just the Energy example).
What you think is Capitalism progress is actually a shackle, because this stuff could have been done long ago, but profits are more important than doing the right thing. One must focus on time lines to get a proper perspective.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
FREE ENERGY equals ONE MAN
NIKOLA TESLA Your legacy will on live on
I SALUTE YOU THANK YOU RESPECT
RahanSarwev 1 year ago
Are those Isohunt links legal downloads or do they violate copyright laws?
Nannirk 1 year ago
@Nannirk It's not for sale anywhere, so there's no copyright to protect.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution So this is the only way to get it then?
Nannirk 1 year ago
@Nannirk Yes.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago
@TZMSocialEvolution Or State-socialism market socialism, Communism/Anarchism, Technocracy works better because they have a detailed TRANSISTING, unlike this where Roxxane and the Juqhe guy dont konw what to do and just yells excuses, pathetic
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
@MagnitudePerson No big government (virtually no government). We have a transition plan, but obviously you've not taken the time to find or read it. Pathetic is right, on your end.
TZMSocialEvolution 1 year ago