Why can't the military branches get along and save it for the enemy instead of fighting over who is the most special spec ops -_-. Im Air Force Services and I am more tactical then all of you because I said so too =P.
fuck you too army and marines that talk shit about the USAF! wake up call buddy. you're alive and if you were dying in combat I would resperate you and drag your sorry ass back home! just remember...the DOD makes the air force their best kept secret for fighting force and manpower. i don't need to fucking brag about it at a bar or crash a party just to remember i have a goddamn penis. stop and listen fuckers. air force is smart and VERY VERY STRONG!!! so lick your wounds and STFU!
@LucidDream101 dude stfu and stop dissing our armed forces. just because you favor the airforce doesnt mean you need to give marines and army shit. No armed force is better than the other, each has its special job, Our armed forces are our armed forces, If you can accept that then get the fuck out of this country
@xBABYxKICKERx hey asswipe! i wasn't "dissing" the armed forces. i was telling the other asshats that where "dissing" the USAF to up and go fuck themselves. obviously you need a little bit too huh?
@LucidDream101 take a look at what you just said and the comment before, you contradict yourself so hard its not even funny. youre a dumbass saying "fuck you too army and marines" and saying you wernt dissing on them
Im working on getting my EMT and SCUBA certification before I go to MEPS. Im also going to do Volunteer Fire Fighter on the side. This should all help get me to where I need to be. I am going to be a USAF PJ, and I will not quit. Failure is not an option.
he mentioned if u pass the indoc you make it all the way but luckily instead of the 10 week indoc they have a 2 week selection course and the pre scuba, drown proffin, budddy breathin all that intense stuff is taught At the combat diver course in advanced skills training, after you graduate a 3 star level so if you fail the intense water sesions youre already a cct and just recycle the dive cours
A Ranger finds the snake, plays with the snake, then eats it. Force Recon follows the snake and gets lost. Navy SEAL expends all ammunition, several grenades and calls for naval gunfire in a failed attempt to kill the snake. Snake bites the SEAL then retreats to safety. AF PJ wounds the snake in first encounter then feverishly works to save the snake's life. Army SF makes contact with the snake, builds rapport, wins its heart and mind and trains it to kill other snakes.
@BDHedges Haha it's all good bro. And honestly, I could give a SHIT about Tier 1 SEAL Team 6. Honestly, I just want to be a SEAL. Don't even have my eyes set on SEAL Team 6 and Tier 1. What happens happens, but I'm not looking for the glory of Tier 1. I just wanna be on a physically challenging, TEAM oriented group after football's over. If I don't have that, I don't think I'd be able to live with myself lol. I need a new team sport killin jihadi fucksticks haha. Aight g'nite bud, and good luck
i added the its two years part honetly just to add it, indoc is 11 weeks and the pipeline is 2 years...apart from a break down of the pipeline those are the two time tables.
@BDHedges Indoc is actually 9 weeks, but I don't mean to badger. Haha, no I'm not a SEAL, but I hope to be after I get my degree. My mom has lived in Coronado (home of SEAL training) since I was 14, so it's long been a dream. I currently am a D1 football player and after my playing career plan to enlist on a SEAL contract. Before seeing the SEALs on the beach for myself when my mom moved there, I wanted to be a Ranger thanks to Black Hawk Down lol. Tellin the truth, u can look me up if you want.
@seancul55 nope indoc is 11 weeks, they have added a 2 week intro course that starts at the week 3 standards. i am about to go through the 11 weeks, my best friend who i was a groomsmen for just went through 11 weeks. nah an i dont wanna look you up...its late and im tired i dont even know why im arguing with some random dude on face book. i dont even know why i got so defenseive over PJ. i dont care. I want to be a pj and people can say what they want about pj. good night.
@seancul55 i have to disagree with the physical fittness thing man. i live by moody air force base and i train for pj indoc 5 days a week. several pjs have come out to help me train. those guys are beast...at everything, especially crossfit. also i have trained with two seals. i couldnt tell a difference man. honestly i think Howard Wasdin was just more confortable with his team, which makes sense.
@BDHedges That's sick man! Honestly, that's cool that you have a dream and are going for it. No doubt PJs are crazy fit, I'm not arguing that at all. However, you can't know what kind of shape DEVGRU operators are in. And these weren't just any PJs he was talking about, he was talking about the 24th Special Tactics Squadron, the elite of the elite PJs. Just weren't quite at the SEALs' level according to his experience. I don't mean to take anything away from PJs man, sorry if it sounds it.
@stolly27 Dude, i don't know. The phony PJ/CCT dude things he's black ops or some shit lol. All I know is I'm pretty done with this video. Fuck, I was done with it like 2 months ago lol. Fuckers can't drop it LOL
Another thing you maybe don't know, Sean, is that - while Indoc has a 90% fail rate, teh PJs do the same training as the SEALS, PLUS they take an additional 6 months to go get their National Registry passed and become Paramedics - not EMT's, not dirt medicine, but actual, bonafide, takes an Associates Degree, National Registry of Paramedic test.
I am only trying to educate you. PJs do Combat Dive, Airborne School, HALO/HAHO school, PJU, SERE, all the warfighting techniques the SEALs do.
@shepd1 The PJs DO NOT have a Hell Week. Hell Week is unique to the SEALs only. It is why they prefer to work with other Team guys over Rangers, Army SF, etc. NO OTHER UNIT IN THE WORLD goes through Hell Week. The PJs however have a sort of "Hell Day" that they call "Extended Training Day" near the end of Indoc. This is basically ONE day of Hell WEEK. I'm sorry, but you're pulling this "Hell Week, then ETD" thing out of your ass bud. PJs go through one sleepless night of PT, not 6 in a row.
@shepd1 In SEAL Team 6 by Howard Wasdin, he mentions the AF PJs and CCTs in Mogadishu. He says they're great guys, and invaluable for their specific skill expertise, but that they ARE NOT as physically fit, NOR are they as good in a firefight. He does say he loved hanging out with his PJ and CCT buddies and that he liked them being around for their skills, but they simply were NOT on the same athletic or tactical playing field as the SEALs. Read it. Straight from the mouth of a Tier 1 operator.
@seancul55 Wasdin def says "Although not held to as high a tatical standard ( standards such as PHYSICAL FITNESS remained THE SAME) as SEALs"...direct quote...and if they were not as good in a fire fight why the hell would pjs be deployed as part of seal teams?...pull your head out of your ass
@TheBobby8922 Dude, you're failing as a troll right now. God, my comments were from like a month ago lol. "Although the air force CCTs and PJs were not as specialized in skills like door-kicking...", "NOT HELD TOO AS HIGH A TACTICAL STANDARD." Sounds to me they're not as good in a firefight, you agree? And I lost motivation to find it, but there's a part in the book where Wasdin talks about PJs falling out on PT runs... but whatever lol. PJs are deployed with SEAL Teams to care for the wound
@TheBobby8922 ...ed. This frees up the SEAL hospital corpsman to kick in more doors with the other SEALs. Same deal with CCTs. They bring them in to call in airstrikes and shit so that the SEALs can focus on the DA part. CCTs and PJs are NOT incorporated because of their warfighting proficiency - they'd just bring another SEAL along if that was what they needed. They're used for their UNIQUE skills.
@TheBobby8922 ". On a SEAL Team Six boat crew of eight men assaulting a building, the addition of a PJ, who could take care of patching up bullet wounds, freed up a SEAL hospital corpsman to kick more doors. Likewise, the addition of a CCT carrying a radio on his back and calling for air support freed up a SEAL radioman to carry other mission-essential gear on his back and help with the door-kicking. " PJs/CCTs were also not as prepared "particularly for close-quarters combat training." - Wasdin
@seancul55 Definitely not true man... Controllers get just as much training in CQB training as SEALs do.. especially if they're attached to Team 6. CCT HAS to get as much training and sometimes more to stay current w/ partner services b/c they don't always know who they're going to attach to.
@Stephenson21 You sir, have no backup to say anything. An elite DEVGRU/ST6 operator (Howard Wasdin), who worked with the 24th STS personally stated that PJs/CCTs were not as prepared "particularly for close-quarters combat training." He further states "Although the air force CCTs and PJs were not as specialized in skills like door-kicking...", "NOT HELD TOO AS HIGH A TACTICAL STANDARD." I'll take a Tier 1 operator's opinion over some youtube junky's any day of the week.
@seancul55 Friends, This is proof Osama was killed a long time ago. The Jesuit Illuminati Globalist only decided to stage this false-flag death for their own nefarious purposes in order to bring the whole world in subjection to the Papacy. The Jesuits have been in the 2nd phase of this global preparation for the final inquisition since October 2009. It all started after the conclusion of the Vatican 2 Council in 1965. The ecumenical movement was part of this plan.
@seancul55 HAHA it's funny you talk like you read it in a book.... oh wait... that's exactly what you did. You're taking what 1 guy said who of course will ALWAYS make his career field look and sound better.. it's what we all do in our jobs competing in the spec ops world. The one difference b/t you and I is that you read it in a book.... and my team and I are in Afghanistan right now doing the work. And honestly I could care less what you think you know about the different spec ops groups.
@seancul55 So YOU sir, have no backup to say anything... I'll take the experience and actually working with the teams over some youtube junky's opinion any day of the week
@Stephenson21 YOU sir, a a piece of shit phony motherfucker. May I ask your name, rank, class number, and graduation date so I can pass it on to retired Senior Chief Don Shipley to see if you really are what you say you are? He can see if you're a SEAL, and knows people that can verify if you're a PJ/CCT as well. People like you fucking sicken me, stolen valor motherfucker. Don't pull some BS like "I'm a tech sarg deployed in Qatar doing maintanence" either. Ppl like you sicken me. Fuck off
Haha wow man... once again... you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about! You think you know something b/c you KNOW a guy that was a SEAL?! Congrats man! And it's really not secret information to give you so I could care less, so here you go homes:
SSgt Stephenson, John R
Combat Controller at 23STS Hurlburt Field FL
Currently Deployed again to Afghanistan attached to an ODA
@seancul55 Having said that.. There are some awesome SEALS, SFODA, Rangers, and Marine Recon guys that I've worked or trained with! I was simply trying to point out a couple facts that you may not have known from the civilian side.. that was it man. So please... next time you go and throw out phrases like "stolen valor"... think about the slight chance that the person actually HAS done something for the GWOT by killing terrorists. That is all
@Stephenson21 I'm gonna pass that info along regardless. If you are who you say you are, I'm man enough to apologize, but you have NO IDEA how many fucking phonies there are on facebook and youtube. You can't trust anyone. It fucking sickens me to the core. Just this past week I ran into 5 phony Green Berets and a phony SEAL. The Senior Chief (youtube account buds131) says there's like 300 phonies for every true SEAL out there. So, I hope you are who you say you are.
@seancul55 No offense taken, and yes.. I do agree with you on phonies. Nothing pisses me off more than being out in public and hearing guys trying to claim that stuff that aren't... or in the regular AirForce claiming our job. But I try not to let it bother me b/c I'd be pissed off all the time. If they're a legit SF/Spec Ops.. then they usually don't proclaim it... most of the time. But I like that you call people out on it haha.
@Stephenson21 Well, passed your info along. They can only confirm SF/SEALs at this time, but I actually believe you. You didn't give up any bullshit "that's classified" shit (no it isn't), and went above and beyond what I asked. You also haven't claimed any dumbshit like "15 purple hearts, 3 MOHs, 58 combat deployments, 13 nukes defused, 1235525234 confirmed kills..." Thanks for your service, man. Any advice between the typical "don't quit" on getting through? My Mom lives in Cornonado, so SEAL
@seancul55 Plain and simple.. like you said "Don't Quit!" But to take it further.. If you don't make it.. it should be b/c you got cut medically b/c of an injury or possibly just didn't pass some phase of studies or meet the requirements. At least that was my philosophy. That way I could at least tell people I never quit. But yeah man Godspeed in training... Embrace the suck and have a good time with it!!!
@Stephenson21 is something I've been wanting for a while. In college playing football know. Grad in 2014 then trying to enlist on an SO contract in the Navy. Peace, and stay safe man.
@seancul55 The biggest thing I tell guys coming in (and it's the same for SEALS) is.. the water-con is what gets most people. If you're in college football you're already in way better shape than most dudes that'll come in (you'd be surprised at how many guys come in totally out of shape) But yeah bro, the land smokings won't get you... work on the breath hold and doing underwaters and what not. The farthest you'll have to go as a standard is a 50m underwater.
@Stephenson21 Going back to what I said prior, PJs/CCTs don't get the same training in CQB as the Tier 1 guys at DEVGRU/Delta. I don't know about how CCTs compare to "regular" SEALs and SF, but Wasdin is VERY clear that at the Tier 1 level the focus on CQB (or CQC as he referred to it) is at a whole other level, and the 24th STS guys they had with them in Mogadishu weren't at the same level. Either way though, they're all pretty bad ass. Getting through one of those pipelines is holy shit hard.
@seancul55 He may have been right, maybe on that mission his jtac wasn't up to par, which sucks, but he shouldn't group the whole career field in with that statement that's all I was saying. I will say that on a regular level... CCT's, SEALs and ODA's all go to the same shooting and driving schools. And at the tier 1 level it's the same.. I got to visit the 24STS (our tier 1 group) and they had the same schools and training as team6/Delta depending on who they were attached to at that time.
@shepd1 And to finish, they DO NOT go through the same training as SEALs. The SEALs spend nearly 2 years on warfighting and tactics from 3rd Phase at BUD/S, to SQT, to on Team training for a year before they are deemed deployable for their first tour. Yes, PJs do Free Fall training. Yes they do Combat Diving training. But they only do 5.5 weeks of the latter. That's the SEALs' baby. They spend two months on it in BUD/S to just get the BASIC requirements,then spend MONTHS in SQT and years in Team
Seancul, Hell week is the SAME thing as the USAF Spec Ops Hell week. PJs do it as well. NOT one day, but a whole week. I don't know if the SEALs do a ETD at the end of Hell Week, but the PJs do. At the end of an impossibly hard week of hell (called the same thing), they finish with the ETD. Perhaps you don't know this. I guess that's right.
I am not fighting you about SEALs having a tough row to hoe, but they are simply not put through more than the PJs. Period.
@shepd1 PJs don't have Hell Week, and never will. Furthermore, even if they had a tough week they called "Hell Week," it wouldn't be the same as SEAL Hell Week. SEAL Hell Week is LITERALLY 5 days 6 nights straight with maybe 3 hours TOTAL for the week of sleep. They go 3 days without sleep, only stopping PT for meals and Doc visits, then 1 hour of sleep, then another day, then 1 hour, then another day, 1 hour, then half a day until Hell Week is secured on Saturday. PJ ETD is merely 20 hours.
@seancul55 actually the last etd of BALLz 2 was just 12 hours, started out with 36 finished with 23. the water con is the difference. buds doesnt offer the level of water con that indoc does.
@BDHedges argue with you on Water Confidence. Hands/feet tied drown proofing,4 mile ocean swims,50 meters underwater tests were a 1/3 of the class pass out under ? 2 mths for BASIC underwater diving certification? YEARS in the Teams and SQT perfecting it??? I'm sorry, but the SEALs are the premier maritime force of the United States. Not even Delta operators deny this. SEALs OWN the water. Nothing the PJs do compares in the water. 2 letters out of the 4 in SEAL stand for water, remember that.
@DasBeatz Not really. Many make BANK in private security, physical training, etc. Plus, corporations clamber over ex-military members - especially SOF operators because of their cool under pressure, leadership, and TEAMWORK abilities. They're almost always safe picks to outperform their civilian colleagues. Plus, the SEALs work as a Fraternity: ex-SEALs look after their own.
@seancul55 Good luck for SEAL training. Remember this though: It doesn't matter what your limits are, expect them to be broken in the SEALs. And also, don't build up to much muscle content. Fat floats, Muscle sinks. The better the Fat/Muscle ratio, the better swimming skills
@seancul55 If you believe you can do it, you can. "You got to want it, want it bad" - Jesse Ventura BUD/S class 58 Vet. With those two last phrases of advice, I hope you are ready for the SEALs mentally, which is the most important part
I'M Air Force TACP whn i was in afganistan marines saved my ass when i was in panama i saved a couple of navy seals asses were all equal we all do different things if not for army, marines, airforce, and navy europe you would be speaking german so be thankful for us
I have two friends who are former Marine officers/SEALS who went through the PJ pipeline (one tried and failed). Both said that SEAL training, while very tough, was just not as difficult. SEALS graduated a far higher percentage of people. There are about 10x as many SEALS. PJs simply have to do everything SEALS do and also become Paramedics.
@shepd1 To quote Senior Chief Don Shipley (Ex SEAL) and Petty Officer Lalo Roberti (Ex SEAL), passing Spec Ops training is all about motivation and will power. When asked to go to Ranger School both declined because they didn't feel the need for "another kick in the balls." SEALs that give it a shot (as well as Rangers and PJs that try BUD/S) have already accomplished what they want, and they don't have the real MOTIVATION to do PJ training. Put his Team in danger, and the SEAL finishes 1st...
@shepd1 I'm glad you're proud for your son, but come on now... And Marines are NOT on the same playing field as SEALs, so just cuz your Marine officer friend failed doesn't mean jack. And if they SEAL failed that doesn't mean much either, as he likely DOR'd because he just didn't care anymore, he's already a SEAL for chrissakes! That is... if they aren't figments of your imagination. No SEAL would put PJ training over BUD/S and SQT. Sooo wrong. Hell Week vs Extended Training Day? LOLOLOLOL
@shepd1 All of PJ training has a 90% fail rate, including Indoc. BUD/S has a 75-80% fail rate. However, that's just BUD/S. That doesn't count the dropped candidates from BUD/S Prep, Indoc, SQT, and the probationary period in the Teams. It's not rare for 200 candidates to enter Indoc, and only 110 start First Phase, and from First Phase only 16 pass BUD/S. Those 90 Indoc fails don't count towards the fail rate at BUD/S. So DECEPTIVELY, PJ training fail% LOOKS higher. ETD vs Hell Week? cmon
@seancul55 i dont know man.....the water con at PJ indoc is second to none. I agree with the numbers but it doesnt mean one is harder than the other. Men can run, hump, ruck, push, pull, carry, jump, crawl, roll, press and stress for days (hell week) and it still will not amount to the stress of being under water for just a few minutes (ETD). Also the PJ pipeleine has a rough washout rate for those who grad indoc. and its 2 years. I submit that overall PJ is tougher than SEAL. Just sayin.
@BDHedges I like how you think through things, so just bare with me here.NSW Prep is 10 Weeks, BUD/S Indoc 5 weeks, BUD/S 6 months, Jump School 3 Weeks, SQT 6 months, plus one year of on team training before deployment (they don't tell us about what "Team Training" IS exactly for obvious tactical reasons). From SEAL contract to deployment is over 2 years. I'm assuming you know that SEALs are our nation's PREMIER maritime force, right? PJ "water con" is NOTHING on SEALs hydro training, just ask
@seancul55 I think it is logical that the guys who are tasked with saving seals if something goes wrong would have gone through tougher training. my point is pjs are seals 911 call. why would seal call guys who are worse then them for help? and why would they take them along? i dont believe either is superior on the battlefield. but training wise...para rescue wins. also my friend who jus graduated pj indoc passed out 4 times. so if "hydro trainng" is harder, what are they doing? killing them?
@BDHedges BD, it is not logical. First, PJs rarely if ever come to the aid of SEALs. They primarily go after downed airmen, see Black Hawk Down. Secondly, they are called by the SEALs not to help them fight their way out of trouble, but to tend to the wounded since they are better trained in medicine, so that the other SEALs may continue the fight, which they in turn are better trained for than the PJs. Mentally, the Paramedic course is tough, but the physical side of PJ is not SEAL training.
@BDHedges Read my post to shep. Howard Wasdin, ex-SEAL Team 6 member says PJs are valuable for their lifesaving skills, but are not on the same athletic playing field, nor are they as useful in a fire fight. But that's not the PJs job description. They get to the hard to get to places and tend to the wounded. SEALs have a very different, more physical, violent job description. It's just a fact bro. Watch BUD/S 234 by Discovery. You'll see guys passing out left and right, and with broken legs!
also i never said pj training was longer, you assumed i said that then told me you "like how i think things out" which to me is an insult on my ability to think logically......ya i never said it was longer, please read my comment again.
@BDHedges No, not insulting, sincere. Many people are simply PJ/SEAL/Army SF, etc fanboys that just scream and yell (figuratively, it's a keyboard) without any facts. You brought up real points without being rude or childish. I thought you were someone I could have a good debate with. Didn't mean to sound insulting. You said PJ training was tough, AND it's 2 years, as IF that's longer than SEAL training. Granted that's the jump I made, but why else would you bring it up? SEAL training is 2+years
I see a lot of uninformed, ignorant nonsense on this string from people who either a) know nothing of which they speak, or b) merely want to spout lies.
USAF PJ's are the elite, the best, the most tough of every spec op's pipeline. Period. It wasn't "easier back in the day," either. My son's Indoc class started 85, and 7 made it through Indoc. SEVEN. These young men are our very best and are there for those of you morons who sit idly by in your mom's upstairs bedroom and bash the military.
@shepd1 False, SEAL training has always been toughest. The hardest part of PJ training is Indoc (9 Weeks). The hardest part of Indoc is Extended Training Day (ETD), 20 hours straight of all out hell. Sounds tough, huh? Try on HELL WEEK for size. 5 and a half "ETDs" in a row, with 4 hours sleep TOTAL over the course of the week. 20 hours of PT a day, a meal every 6 hours. Just to get to First Phase where Hell Week is you have the PST, BUD/S Prep, BUD/S Indoc.... Only Easy Day Was Yesterday
@seancul55 I agree with you, everyone has a calling and I am preparing myself to become a PJ, although PJ indoc is no joke, seals have it harder...either way who cares which one is harder, chances are no one here could survive either one of them. People should just have respect for one another. If I ever got shot in combat, I would definitely want to see a PJ by my side!!
@seancul55 You make a very good point... A Hell NIGHT doesn't even compare to 5 days of no sleep b/c you don't experience the symptoms like hallucination until like night 3. I can speak from experience b/c what most people don't know is CCT goes through 5 days of ball-smoking training w/ about 1/2hr of sleep a day. Luckily for us (unlike SEALS) we do ours in our last selection school in NC whereas SEALS do it in the very beginning. Just had to add that in b/c I take pride in my job as well lol
@Stephenson21 Haha I hear ya man. Crazy thing is from SEALs I've communicated with and read about, Hell Week isn't even close to the coldest, most tired, most painful experience compared to their time in the Teams. They usually say, it's "just a stepping stone." Well fuck me... lol
@TheF455 Dude First you enlist AT 17 years old or Higher (take the PAST(physical abilities and stanima test!! when u pass u get it as a MOS..Then the hardest to come by....INDOC COURSE where they select PJs and CCTS... Then u have to complete Hell night!!after that 2 years of training and 1 year of team training..to see if u can get picked for SAS and UNSF. after that ur set and stone>>
@snarfizzle you're confused. that's ok cuz america is a place where the naive/trolls can still legally misinform. It's a right you have in few other places because of: "the biggest waste of money on the planet, american armed forces." Enjoy these undeserved rights while you can, you waste of good o2.
Air Force PJ's were flying 30 mins away waiting to be called if there was an issue with the Bin Laden raid, per CNN.com. They were the one's to be called on the rescue the S.EA.L.'s. But like most of us military memebers, it's all of us supporting every branch.
PJs usually try to avoid fire if possible, but they are trained to be able to fight like the other Special Ops if necessary, and will go behind enemy lines/on the front line if the mission requires them to do so.
They are paramedics, but first and foremost, they are combatants, so they do carry weapons into combat and take enemy fire.
If you're interested in PJs, the Air Force website has a lot of information you may find useful.
PJs are fucking awesome. If I were enlisting at 18 today, that would be my goal. Sadly, I didn't join the military till 34 so I'm just a regular medic. Great job though, I wish I'd started younger.
If anyone here is a U.S. PJ please contact me through a private message I have a lot of questions and i am hoping to go to the Air Force Academy and be a pilot or a PJ
@violinwesley yes the job is called a CRO or combat rescue officer, they go through all the same training right there with the enlisted guys training to be a PJ
@Benelli1989 When I was a PJ it was the only career field in the military that was enlisted only we used to pride ourselfs on that. Training is tough but its alot more watered down these days, They havent down crossovers in years, I don't think they are even allowed in the military anymore.
@Benelli1989 All the trainees get on the wall in the deep end of the pool, Mask/fins/twin 80 tanks and weight belt no regulator, Instructor yells Prepare to crossover.CROSSOVER Then each side swims at each other on the bottom one side gos high and other low. And a team of instructors ride your back pull off your mask grap fins etc. You do a set of 8 But someone always made use do 16, 8 to 12 lanes wide, And you only get 10/12 seconds to rest between crossovers, This washout 65% only alone!
@lv2surf hmm not sure. dont recall them having tanks til dive school in florida. i remembering hearing about swimming across high and low and the cadre would grab on to you they called it sharking i think....again im not a PJ my brother is. oh well regardless the training, same mission!!
@Benelli1989 I went through OLJ Pararescue indoc School in 1985/86 They havent done the crossovers since the 80s they even did them at Army SF Scuba School Key West Fla. Where we all went to then I heard the DOD outlawed them due a drowning at Scuba School. The current Pararescue program is alot easier than what it used to be. We over a 90% washout rate at the OLJ and had 6 in the pipeline and graduated 5 from KAFB N.M.
@lv2surf oh wow...i dont think that means its a cake walk now though...and a guy did die in my brothers indoc...he was close to age 40 and when he passed out during underwaters the civilan ex pj who was like 60 jumped in and couldnt lift him back up. they kept it very secret.....hour later they were back in the water....did they do green feet tattoo on the ass back then?
@Benelli1989 No its by no means a cakewalk But the standards have been lowered ask any old school PJ, PJs started in the 1940s when a plane went down in Berma with a high ranking Press member aboard. PJs have a history thats almost as old as the AIr Force ,The green feet tatto started in Vietnam 60s era as the symbol of the HH-3/53 Jolly Green Giant heli. We used to spray paint feet on AF Bases water towers to let all know we were there. Many a Air Force bases have green feet on the water tower.
@violinwesley yes the job is called a CRO or combat rescue officer, they go through all the same training right there with the enlisted guys training to be a PJ
I like airforce i maybe the kid but i'm thinking about joining a branch (hope you all know what i mean by branch) army is proably where i'm going to go (strong sea stomach but still not that strong rough sea and i'm turning green) still airforce is cool but not really a techy fly the most high tech thing thats worth millions with weapons (talking basically all the aircraft in airforce) still army then maybe army rangers still time will tell go America and its Armed focres here and there!!!!
I just came home from Marine Corps OCS due to an ankle injury. I think I'd rather be on the enlisted side, so I'm considering going for PJ selection! Much respect to ALL branches of the military. PJs are bad ass.
Water is not the hard part....it's floating. Just remember to breath evenly and smoothly. When you tread water, frog kick. Do NOT start fluttering your legs....you WILL wear yourself out faster. I was a prior US Navy Aircrew Candidate. The biggest trick to water survival is to stop thinking about how scared you are of it.
Im a Senior and know im joining the AF. I have been an Air force child my whole life along with my brothers and it is a great life. My dad is an E9 in the mechanic field but I wanna do pararescue or combat control. Can anyone that is in tell me what it is like?
Alright this is how it goes. 1/5th the people arguing on here and talking about their tours probably served together. 1/5th are little kids who read wikipedia and then come to you tube to show people they know EVERYTHING!! 1/5th are searching "Why Is The The Chair Force?". 1/5th are trying to find out "Air Force really has Special Forces" (Yes they have the best, BTW). And 1/5th are just trolls who have wikipedia up and youtube up waiting for people to combat.
My son is in Afghanistan (USAF Special Op's) Two of his buddy's from H.S are Marine's, two cousin's are Infantry, a CSM for an uncle, AF dad and grandpa along with an Army grandpa and uncle. They all respect each other and what they have done, and they have so much respect and appreciation for what he does. All branches defend the USA.
Nice, another gung-ho video of the guys who throw grenades at aid worker hostages, torture "suspects", then deny it and shoot their own support teams. Whoo hoo...or D'oh! You decide
SEALS are the best warriors in the modern world hands down...chairforce "specops" can take a back seat behind basic army and Marine Corps infantry.... fuck commericals... its what your unit does in the battle field and these pussies dont do much...
@Apocalyspe7 E man actualy the PJ's do in fact much. If you are in combat and one bullet strikes you and you are to far from a base ore to far from a city ore you are in a mountain area with your team than the first thing that you will hope is that some PJ's will arrive to take you safely back to base because thats one of there specialty, save your life and bring you back to base.
@bennyronny Bullshit... Marines got Navy Corpsman, army has there own medics embeded in thier units... each has the capability of flying wounded infantry back to safe zones... i guess they must be spec ops capable too...
@CXMilburn Alright highspeed.... did 2 combat tours myself 2004, 2006.... I worked alongside rangers once, and deployed with seals and force recon with the 11th MEU... never did i see or even hear about pjs doing shit... not on the news, radio, nothing... all of the above got war stories pjs not so much... but hey your the hardest thing the chair force gots to offer congrats
I think its funny... The pride these internet "Marines" have. You don't hear about our endeavors as much because we don't talk about them. The Combat Controllers, the PJ's, S.E.R.E. school? All Air Force. PJ's serve everyone, not just our branch, and S.E.R.E. school TEACHES Marines, GB's, S.E.A.L.s, and anyone in SOCOM how to survive. Keep touting your banners as "The Best", but don't forget who keeps you there.
Special OPS!
WallStreetIsMine 1 week ago
Why can't the military branches get along and save it for the enemy instead of fighting over who is the most special spec ops -_-. Im Air Force Services and I am more tactical then all of you because I said so too =P.
fbibarbie 4 months ago
@markspark60 Prime Ribs is Services call sign I thought.
fbibarbie 4 months ago
fuck you too army and marines that talk shit about the USAF! wake up call buddy. you're alive and if you were dying in combat I would resperate you and drag your sorry ass back home! just remember...the DOD makes the air force their best kept secret for fighting force and manpower. i don't need to fucking brag about it at a bar or crash a party just to remember i have a goddamn penis. stop and listen fuckers. air force is smart and VERY VERY STRONG!!! so lick your wounds and STFU!
LucidDream101 4 months ago
@LucidDream101 dude stfu and stop dissing our armed forces. just because you favor the airforce doesnt mean you need to give marines and army shit. No armed force is better than the other, each has its special job, Our armed forces are our armed forces, If you can accept that then get the fuck out of this country
xBABYxKICKERx 4 months ago
@xBABYxKICKERx hey asswipe! i wasn't "dissing" the armed forces. i was telling the other asshats that where "dissing" the USAF to up and go fuck themselves. obviously you need a little bit too huh?
LucidDream101 4 months ago
@LucidDream101 take a look at what you just said and the comment before, you contradict yourself so hard its not even funny. youre a dumbass saying "fuck you too army and marines" and saying you wernt dissing on them
xBABYxKICKERx 4 months ago
u guys should see pararescue training.. like omg....
backatchalol 5 months ago
Im working on getting my EMT and SCUBA certification before I go to MEPS. Im also going to do Volunteer Fire Fighter on the side. This should all help get me to where I need to be. I am going to be a USAF PJ, and I will not quit. Failure is not an option.
perilous000 5 months ago
@perilous000 you're a true man! god bless your soul! you have your mind in the right place and you better fucking achieve!!! that's an order, son!
LucidDream101 4 months ago
he mentioned if u pass the indoc you make it all the way but luckily instead of the 10 week indoc they have a 2 week selection course and the pre scuba, drown proffin, budddy breathin all that intense stuff is taught At the combat diver course in advanced skills training, after you graduate a 3 star level so if you fail the intense water sesions youre already a cct and just recycle the dive cours
caint wait to be a CCT
HOOYAH CCT!!!!!!
divecommando 6 months ago
Story of the snake.
A Ranger finds the snake, plays with the snake, then eats it. Force Recon follows the snake and gets lost. Navy SEAL expends all ammunition, several grenades and calls for naval gunfire in a failed attempt to kill the snake. Snake bites the SEAL then retreats to safety. AF PJ wounds the snake in first encounter then feverishly works to save the snake's life. Army SF makes contact with the snake, builds rapport, wins its heart and mind and trains it to kill other snakes.
foxychocho 6 months ago 2
@foxychocho priceless
DarkRaven69 6 months ago
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piratephil2 7 months ago
i just finished ocs for the marines and have delcined my commission and have enlisted, just waiting to ship to boot for the air force.
BDHedges 7 months ago
@BDHedges Haha it's all good bro. And honestly, I could give a SHIT about Tier 1 SEAL Team 6. Honestly, I just want to be a SEAL. Don't even have my eyes set on SEAL Team 6 and Tier 1. What happens happens, but I'm not looking for the glory of Tier 1. I just wanna be on a physically challenging, TEAM oriented group after football's over. If I don't have that, I don't think I'd be able to live with myself lol. I need a new team sport killin jihadi fucksticks haha. Aight g'nite bud, and good luck
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 Dammit Sean, it's you again!? LoL
jasonbournetodie 7 months ago
@jasonbournetodie Haha ya
seancul55 7 months ago
not just some punk* lol im sleepy
BDHedges 7 months ago
lol nah man youre good, im glad i was talking to someone who wants to join in the teir 1 fight now just be a punk. be good man
BDHedges 7 months ago
@seancul55 are you training for seal? are you a seal?
BDHedges 7 months ago
i added the its two years part honetly just to add it, indoc is 11 weeks and the pipeline is 2 years...apart from a break down of the pipeline those are the two time tables.
BDHedges 7 months ago
@BDHedges Indoc is actually 9 weeks, but I don't mean to badger. Haha, no I'm not a SEAL, but I hope to be after I get my degree. My mom has lived in Coronado (home of SEAL training) since I was 14, so it's long been a dream. I currently am a D1 football player and after my playing career plan to enlist on a SEAL contract. Before seeing the SEALs on the beach for myself when my mom moved there, I wanted to be a Ranger thanks to Black Hawk Down lol. Tellin the truth, u can look me up if you want.
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 nope indoc is 11 weeks, they have added a 2 week intro course that starts at the week 3 standards. i am about to go through the 11 weeks, my best friend who i was a groomsmen for just went through 11 weeks. nah an i dont wanna look you up...its late and im tired i dont even know why im arguing with some random dude on face book. i dont even know why i got so defenseive over PJ. i dont care. I want to be a pj and people can say what they want about pj. good night.
BDHedges 7 months ago
@seancul55 i have to disagree with the physical fittness thing man. i live by moody air force base and i train for pj indoc 5 days a week. several pjs have come out to help me train. those guys are beast...at everything, especially crossfit. also i have trained with two seals. i couldnt tell a difference man. honestly i think Howard Wasdin was just more confortable with his team, which makes sense.
BDHedges 7 months ago
@BDHedges That's sick man! Honestly, that's cool that you have a dream and are going for it. No doubt PJs are crazy fit, I'm not arguing that at all. However, you can't know what kind of shape DEVGRU operators are in. And these weren't just any PJs he was talking about, he was talking about the 24th Special Tactics Squadron, the elite of the elite PJs. Just weren't quite at the SEALs' level according to his experience. I don't mean to take anything away from PJs man, sorry if it sounds it.
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 why is this guy comparing devgru to bj?..what a fucking idot..
stolly27 4 months ago
@stolly27 Dude, i don't know. The phony PJ/CCT dude things he's black ops or some shit lol. All I know is I'm pretty done with this video. Fuck, I was done with it like 2 months ago lol. Fuckers can't drop it LOL
seancul55 4 months ago
@seancul55 i'll tell u what dud sts is a tier 1 special operations of the usaf.
stolly27 4 months ago
@stolly27 the 24th embeds with tier 1 units, i'll give you that. but again, i'm done with this vid lol
seancul55 4 months ago
Take away there pay checks, body armor and porn, and they'll quit.
In the end it is always the local Militia that stands 100% behind the American People!
No pay, no fancy metals for killing kids, no media support.
The Few The Proud The American Patriot's!
A.R.M.
Freedom3777 8 months ago
@Freedom3777 The militia doesn't do shit. I'd like to see them in Afghanistan without pay, body armor, and porn too and see how far they get.
bubbabobroy 7 months ago
Where do I go to sign up?
Gootch82 8 months ago
Another thing you maybe don't know, Sean, is that - while Indoc has a 90% fail rate, teh PJs do the same training as the SEALS, PLUS they take an additional 6 months to go get their National Registry passed and become Paramedics - not EMT's, not dirt medicine, but actual, bonafide, takes an Associates Degree, National Registry of Paramedic test.
I am only trying to educate you. PJs do Combat Dive, Airborne School, HALO/HAHO school, PJU, SERE, all the warfighting techniques the SEALs do.
shepd1 8 months ago
@shepd1 The PJs DO NOT have a Hell Week. Hell Week is unique to the SEALs only. It is why they prefer to work with other Team guys over Rangers, Army SF, etc. NO OTHER UNIT IN THE WORLD goes through Hell Week. The PJs however have a sort of "Hell Day" that they call "Extended Training Day" near the end of Indoc. This is basically ONE day of Hell WEEK. I'm sorry, but you're pulling this "Hell Week, then ETD" thing out of your ass bud. PJs go through one sleepless night of PT, not 6 in a row.
seancul55 7 months ago
@shepd1 In SEAL Team 6 by Howard Wasdin, he mentions the AF PJs and CCTs in Mogadishu. He says they're great guys, and invaluable for their specific skill expertise, but that they ARE NOT as physically fit, NOR are they as good in a firefight. He does say he loved hanging out with his PJ and CCT buddies and that he liked them being around for their skills, but they simply were NOT on the same athletic or tactical playing field as the SEALs. Read it. Straight from the mouth of a Tier 1 operator.
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 Wasdin def says "Although not held to as high a tatical standard ( standards such as PHYSICAL FITNESS remained THE SAME) as SEALs"...direct quote...and if they were not as good in a fire fight why the hell would pjs be deployed as part of seal teams?...pull your head out of your ass
TheBobby8922 6 months ago
@TheBobby8922 Dude, you're failing as a troll right now. God, my comments were from like a month ago lol. "Although the air force CCTs and PJs were not as specialized in skills like door-kicking...", "NOT HELD TOO AS HIGH A TACTICAL STANDARD." Sounds to me they're not as good in a firefight, you agree? And I lost motivation to find it, but there's a part in the book where Wasdin talks about PJs falling out on PT runs... but whatever lol. PJs are deployed with SEAL Teams to care for the wound
seancul55 6 months ago
@TheBobby8922 ...ed. This frees up the SEAL hospital corpsman to kick in more doors with the other SEALs. Same deal with CCTs. They bring them in to call in airstrikes and shit so that the SEALs can focus on the DA part. CCTs and PJs are NOT incorporated because of their warfighting proficiency - they'd just bring another SEAL along if that was what they needed. They're used for their UNIQUE skills.
seancul55 6 months ago
@TheBobby8922 ". On a SEAL Team Six boat crew of eight men assaulting a building, the addition of a PJ, who could take care of patching up bullet wounds, freed up a SEAL hospital corpsman to kick more doors. Likewise, the addition of a CCT carrying a radio on his back and calling for air support freed up a SEAL radioman to carry other mission-essential gear on his back and help with the door-kicking. " PJs/CCTs were also not as prepared "particularly for close-quarters combat training." - Wasdin
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 Definitely not true man... Controllers get just as much training in CQB training as SEALs do.. especially if they're attached to Team 6. CCT HAS to get as much training and sometimes more to stay current w/ partner services b/c they don't always know who they're going to attach to.
Stephenson21 5 months ago
@Stephenson21 You sir, have no backup to say anything. An elite DEVGRU/ST6 operator (Howard Wasdin), who worked with the 24th STS personally stated that PJs/CCTs were not as prepared "particularly for close-quarters combat training." He further states "Although the air force CCTs and PJs were not as specialized in skills like door-kicking...", "NOT HELD TOO AS HIGH A TACTICAL STANDARD." I'll take a Tier 1 operator's opinion over some youtube junky's any day of the week.
seancul55 5 months ago
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@seancul55 Friends, This is proof Osama was killed a long time ago. The Jesuit Illuminati Globalist only decided to stage this false-flag death for their own nefarious purposes in order to bring the whole world in subjection to the Papacy. The Jesuits have been in the 2nd phase of this global preparation for the final inquisition since October 2009. It all started after the conclusion of the Vatican 2 Council in 1965. The ecumenical movement was part of this plan.
bornbythesea 5 months ago
@seancul55 HAHA it's funny you talk like you read it in a book.... oh wait... that's exactly what you did. You're taking what 1 guy said who of course will ALWAYS make his career field look and sound better.. it's what we all do in our jobs competing in the spec ops world. The one difference b/t you and I is that you read it in a book.... and my team and I are in Afghanistan right now doing the work. And honestly I could care less what you think you know about the different spec ops groups.
Stephenson21 4 months ago
@seancul55 So YOU sir, have no backup to say anything... I'll take the experience and actually working with the teams over some youtube junky's opinion any day of the week
Stephenson21 4 months ago
@Stephenson21 YOU sir, a a piece of shit phony motherfucker. May I ask your name, rank, class number, and graduation date so I can pass it on to retired Senior Chief Don Shipley to see if you really are what you say you are? He can see if you're a SEAL, and knows people that can verify if you're a PJ/CCT as well. People like you fucking sicken me, stolen valor motherfucker. Don't pull some BS like "I'm a tech sarg deployed in Qatar doing maintanence" either. Ppl like you sicken me. Fuck off
seancul55 4 months ago
@seancul55
Haha wow man... once again... you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about! You think you know something b/c you KNOW a guy that was a SEAL?! Congrats man! And it's really not secret information to give you so I could care less, so here you go homes:
SSgt Stephenson, John R
Combat Controller at 23STS Hurlburt Field FL
Currently Deployed again to Afghanistan attached to an ODA
Bronze Star Recipient from last rotation here
Graduated Pipeline 2007 Team 26
Stephenson21 3 months ago
@seancul55 Having said that.. There are some awesome SEALS, SFODA, Rangers, and Marine Recon guys that I've worked or trained with! I was simply trying to point out a couple facts that you may not have known from the civilian side.. that was it man. So please... next time you go and throw out phrases like "stolen valor"... think about the slight chance that the person actually HAS done something for the GWOT by killing terrorists. That is all
Stephenson21 3 months ago
@Stephenson21 I'm gonna pass that info along regardless. If you are who you say you are, I'm man enough to apologize, but you have NO IDEA how many fucking phonies there are on facebook and youtube. You can't trust anyone. It fucking sickens me to the core. Just this past week I ran into 5 phony Green Berets and a phony SEAL. The Senior Chief (youtube account buds131) says there's like 300 phonies for every true SEAL out there. So, I hope you are who you say you are.
seancul55 3 months ago
@seancul55 No offense taken, and yes.. I do agree with you on phonies. Nothing pisses me off more than being out in public and hearing guys trying to claim that stuff that aren't... or in the regular AirForce claiming our job. But I try not to let it bother me b/c I'd be pissed off all the time. If they're a legit SF/Spec Ops.. then they usually don't proclaim it... most of the time. But I like that you call people out on it haha.
Stephenson21 3 months ago
@Stephenson21 Well, passed your info along. They can only confirm SF/SEALs at this time, but I actually believe you. You didn't give up any bullshit "that's classified" shit (no it isn't), and went above and beyond what I asked. You also haven't claimed any dumbshit like "15 purple hearts, 3 MOHs, 58 combat deployments, 13 nukes defused, 1235525234 confirmed kills..." Thanks for your service, man. Any advice between the typical "don't quit" on getting through? My Mom lives in Cornonado, so SEAL
seancul55 3 months ago
@seancul55 Plain and simple.. like you said "Don't Quit!" But to take it further.. If you don't make it.. it should be b/c you got cut medically b/c of an injury or possibly just didn't pass some phase of studies or meet the requirements. At least that was my philosophy. That way I could at least tell people I never quit. But yeah man Godspeed in training... Embrace the suck and have a good time with it!!!
Stephenson21 3 months ago
@Stephenson21 Haha I hear ya man, thanks again. I'll def take your advice on this one. Take care over there man and do work. Be prayin for ya man.
seancul55 3 months ago
@Stephenson21 is something I've been wanting for a while. In college playing football know. Grad in 2014 then trying to enlist on an SO contract in the Navy. Peace, and stay safe man.
seancul55 3 months ago
@seancul55 The biggest thing I tell guys coming in (and it's the same for SEALS) is.. the water-con is what gets most people. If you're in college football you're already in way better shape than most dudes that'll come in (you'd be surprised at how many guys come in totally out of shape) But yeah bro, the land smokings won't get you... work on the breath hold and doing underwaters and what not. The farthest you'll have to go as a standard is a 50m underwater.
Stephenson21 3 months ago
@Stephenson21 Going back to what I said prior, PJs/CCTs don't get the same training in CQB as the Tier 1 guys at DEVGRU/Delta. I don't know about how CCTs compare to "regular" SEALs and SF, but Wasdin is VERY clear that at the Tier 1 level the focus on CQB (or CQC as he referred to it) is at a whole other level, and the 24th STS guys they had with them in Mogadishu weren't at the same level. Either way though, they're all pretty bad ass. Getting through one of those pipelines is holy shit hard.
seancul55 3 months ago
@seancul55 He may have been right, maybe on that mission his jtac wasn't up to par, which sucks, but he shouldn't group the whole career field in with that statement that's all I was saying. I will say that on a regular level... CCT's, SEALs and ODA's all go to the same shooting and driving schools. And at the tier 1 level it's the same.. I got to visit the 24STS (our tier 1 group) and they had the same schools and training as team6/Delta depending on who they were attached to at that time.
Stephenson21 3 months ago
@shepd1 And to finish, they DO NOT go through the same training as SEALs. The SEALs spend nearly 2 years on warfighting and tactics from 3rd Phase at BUD/S, to SQT, to on Team training for a year before they are deemed deployable for their first tour. Yes, PJs do Free Fall training. Yes they do Combat Diving training. But they only do 5.5 weeks of the latter. That's the SEALs' baby. They spend two months on it in BUD/S to just get the BASIC requirements,then spend MONTHS in SQT and years in Team
seancul55 7 months ago
Seancul, Hell week is the SAME thing as the USAF Spec Ops Hell week. PJs do it as well. NOT one day, but a whole week. I don't know if the SEALs do a ETD at the end of Hell Week, but the PJs do. At the end of an impossibly hard week of hell (called the same thing), they finish with the ETD. Perhaps you don't know this. I guess that's right.
I am not fighting you about SEALs having a tough row to hoe, but they are simply not put through more than the PJs. Period.
shepd1 8 months ago
@shepd1 PJs don't have Hell Week, and never will. Furthermore, even if they had a tough week they called "Hell Week," it wouldn't be the same as SEAL Hell Week. SEAL Hell Week is LITERALLY 5 days 6 nights straight with maybe 3 hours TOTAL for the week of sleep. They go 3 days without sleep, only stopping PT for meals and Doc visits, then 1 hour of sleep, then another day, then 1 hour, then another day, 1 hour, then half a day until Hell Week is secured on Saturday. PJ ETD is merely 20 hours.
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 actually the last etd of BALLz 2 was just 12 hours, started out with 36 finished with 23. the water con is the difference. buds doesnt offer the level of water con that indoc does.
BDHedges 7 months ago
@BDHedges argue with you on Water Confidence. Hands/feet tied drown proofing,4 mile ocean swims,50 meters underwater tests were a 1/3 of the class pass out under ? 2 mths for BASIC underwater diving certification? YEARS in the Teams and SQT perfecting it??? I'm sorry, but the SEALs are the premier maritime force of the United States. Not even Delta operators deny this. SEALs OWN the water. Nothing the PJs do compares in the water. 2 letters out of the 4 in SEAL stand for water, remember that.
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 Yeah but when a seal retires he has no civilian jobs
DasBeatz 7 months ago
@DasBeatz Not really. Many make BANK in private security, physical training, etc. Plus, corporations clamber over ex-military members - especially SOF operators because of their cool under pressure, leadership, and TEAMWORK abilities. They're almost always safe picks to outperform their civilian colleagues. Plus, the SEALs work as a Fraternity: ex-SEALs look after their own.
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 Good luck for SEAL training. Remember this though: It doesn't matter what your limits are, expect them to be broken in the SEALs. And also, don't build up to much muscle content. Fat floats, Muscle sinks. The better the Fat/Muscle ratio, the better swimming skills
DEVGRUxDELTA 6 months ago
@DEVGRUxDELTA I hear ya man. Thanks for the support. Just gonna keep workin. One day at a time bro.
seancul55 6 months ago
@seancul55 If you believe you can do it, you can. "You got to want it, want it bad" - Jesse Ventura BUD/S class 58 Vet. With those two last phrases of advice, I hope you are ready for the SEALs mentally, which is the most important part
DEVGRUxDELTA 6 months ago
"I'm in the air force and I have a mustache"
People have to understand, we give each other shit all the time, but when it comes down to it we all do get along and like eachother.
madcatmk3 8 months ago
I'M Air Force TACP whn i was in afganistan marines saved my ass when i was in panama i saved a couple of navy seals asses were all equal we all do different things if not for army, marines, airforce, and navy europe you would be speaking german so be thankful for us
kllyjrd 8 months ago
When SEALS, Force Recon, Rangers, Green Berets and Delta need to call 911, THEY call PJs.
shepd1 8 months ago
Seancul, you are simply wrong.
I have two friends who are former Marine officers/SEALS who went through the PJ pipeline (one tried and failed). Both said that SEAL training, while very tough, was just not as difficult. SEALS graduated a far higher percentage of people. There are about 10x as many SEALS. PJs simply have to do everything SEALS do and also become Paramedics.
shepd1 8 months ago
@shepd1 To quote Senior Chief Don Shipley (Ex SEAL) and Petty Officer Lalo Roberti (Ex SEAL), passing Spec Ops training is all about motivation and will power. When asked to go to Ranger School both declined because they didn't feel the need for "another kick in the balls." SEALs that give it a shot (as well as Rangers and PJs that try BUD/S) have already accomplished what they want, and they don't have the real MOTIVATION to do PJ training. Put his Team in danger, and the SEAL finishes 1st...
seancul55 8 months ago
@shepd1 I'm glad you're proud for your son, but come on now... And Marines are NOT on the same playing field as SEALs, so just cuz your Marine officer friend failed doesn't mean jack. And if they SEAL failed that doesn't mean much either, as he likely DOR'd because he just didn't care anymore, he's already a SEAL for chrissakes! That is... if they aren't figments of your imagination. No SEAL would put PJ training over BUD/S and SQT. Sooo wrong. Hell Week vs Extended Training Day? LOLOLOLOL
seancul55 8 months ago
@shepd1 All of PJ training has a 90% fail rate, including Indoc. BUD/S has a 75-80% fail rate. However, that's just BUD/S. That doesn't count the dropped candidates from BUD/S Prep, Indoc, SQT, and the probationary period in the Teams. It's not rare for 200 candidates to enter Indoc, and only 110 start First Phase, and from First Phase only 16 pass BUD/S. Those 90 Indoc fails don't count towards the fail rate at BUD/S. So DECEPTIVELY, PJ training fail% LOOKS higher. ETD vs Hell Week? cmon
seancul55 8 months ago
@seancul55 i dont know man.....the water con at PJ indoc is second to none. I agree with the numbers but it doesnt mean one is harder than the other. Men can run, hump, ruck, push, pull, carry, jump, crawl, roll, press and stress for days (hell week) and it still will not amount to the stress of being under water for just a few minutes (ETD). Also the PJ pipeleine has a rough washout rate for those who grad indoc. and its 2 years. I submit that overall PJ is tougher than SEAL. Just sayin.
BDHedges 7 months ago
@BDHedges I like how you think through things, so just bare with me here.NSW Prep is 10 Weeks, BUD/S Indoc 5 weeks, BUD/S 6 months, Jump School 3 Weeks, SQT 6 months, plus one year of on team training before deployment (they don't tell us about what "Team Training" IS exactly for obvious tactical reasons). From SEAL contract to deployment is over 2 years. I'm assuming you know that SEALs are our nation's PREMIER maritime force, right? PJ "water con" is NOTHING on SEALs hydro training, just ask
seancul55 7 months ago
@seancul55 I think it is logical that the guys who are tasked with saving seals if something goes wrong would have gone through tougher training. my point is pjs are seals 911 call. why would seal call guys who are worse then them for help? and why would they take them along? i dont believe either is superior on the battlefield. but training wise...para rescue wins. also my friend who jus graduated pj indoc passed out 4 times. so if "hydro trainng" is harder, what are they doing? killing them?
BDHedges 7 months ago
@BDHedges BD, it is not logical. First, PJs rarely if ever come to the aid of SEALs. They primarily go after downed airmen, see Black Hawk Down. Secondly, they are called by the SEALs not to help them fight their way out of trouble, but to tend to the wounded since they are better trained in medicine, so that the other SEALs may continue the fight, which they in turn are better trained for than the PJs. Mentally, the Paramedic course is tough, but the physical side of PJ is not SEAL training.
seancul55 7 months ago
@BDHedges Read my post to shep. Howard Wasdin, ex-SEAL Team 6 member says PJs are valuable for their lifesaving skills, but are not on the same athletic playing field, nor are they as useful in a fire fight. But that's not the PJs job description. They get to the hard to get to places and tend to the wounded. SEALs have a very different, more physical, violent job description. It's just a fact bro. Watch BUD/S 234 by Discovery. You'll see guys passing out left and right, and with broken legs!
seancul55 7 months ago
also i never said pj training was longer, you assumed i said that then told me you "like how i think things out" which to me is an insult on my ability to think logically......ya i never said it was longer, please read my comment again.
BDHedges 7 months ago
@BDHedges No, not insulting, sincere. Many people are simply PJ/SEAL/Army SF, etc fanboys that just scream and yell (figuratively, it's a keyboard) without any facts. You brought up real points without being rude or childish. I thought you were someone I could have a good debate with. Didn't mean to sound insulting. You said PJ training was tough, AND it's 2 years, as IF that's longer than SEAL training. Granted that's the jump I made, but why else would you bring it up? SEAL training is 2+years
seancul55 7 months ago
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myke9096 8 months ago
what is this job?
TheSpipsy 8 months ago
I see a lot of uninformed, ignorant nonsense on this string from people who either a) know nothing of which they speak, or b) merely want to spout lies.
USAF PJ's are the elite, the best, the most tough of every spec op's pipeline. Period. It wasn't "easier back in the day," either. My son's Indoc class started 85, and 7 made it through Indoc. SEVEN. These young men are our very best and are there for those of you morons who sit idly by in your mom's upstairs bedroom and bash the military.
shepd1 8 months ago
@shepd1 False, SEAL training has always been toughest. The hardest part of PJ training is Indoc (9 Weeks). The hardest part of Indoc is Extended Training Day (ETD), 20 hours straight of all out hell. Sounds tough, huh? Try on HELL WEEK for size. 5 and a half "ETDs" in a row, with 4 hours sleep TOTAL over the course of the week. 20 hours of PT a day, a meal every 6 hours. Just to get to First Phase where Hell Week is you have the PST, BUD/S Prep, BUD/S Indoc.... Only Easy Day Was Yesterday
seancul55 8 months ago
@seancul55 I agree with you, everyone has a calling and I am preparing myself to become a PJ, although PJ indoc is no joke, seals have it harder...either way who cares which one is harder, chances are no one here could survive either one of them. People should just have respect for one another. If I ever got shot in combat, I would definitely want to see a PJ by my side!!
leomitz 8 months ago
@seancul55 You make a very good point... A Hell NIGHT doesn't even compare to 5 days of no sleep b/c you don't experience the symptoms like hallucination until like night 3. I can speak from experience b/c what most people don't know is CCT goes through 5 days of ball-smoking training w/ about 1/2hr of sleep a day. Luckily for us (unlike SEALS) we do ours in our last selection school in NC whereas SEALS do it in the very beginning. Just had to add that in b/c I take pride in my job as well lol
Stephenson21 3 months ago
@Stephenson21 Haha I hear ya man. Crazy thing is from SEALs I've communicated with and read about, Hell Week isn't even close to the coldest, most tired, most painful experience compared to their time in the Teams. They usually say, it's "just a stepping stone." Well fuck me... lol
seancul55 3 months ago
this is so awesome how does one get into the air force spec ops?
TheF455 9 months ago
@TheF455 Dude First you enlist AT 17 years old or Higher (take the PAST(physical abilities and stanima test!! when u pass u get it as a MOS..Then the hardest to come by....INDOC COURSE where they select PJs and CCTS... Then u have to complete Hell night!!after that 2 years of training and 1 year of team training..to see if u can get picked for SAS and UNSF. after that ur set and stone>>
ronniebass21 9 months ago
yeah, id rather not contribute to the biggest waste of money on the planet that is the american armed forces.
have pride in that.
snarfizzle 9 months ago
@snarfizzle you're confused. that's ok cuz america is a place where the naive/trolls can still legally misinform. It's a right you have in few other places because of: "the biggest waste of money on the planet, american armed forces." Enjoy these undeserved rights while you can, you waste of good o2.
SteevilKnievel 9 months ago
Air Force PJ's were flying 30 mins away waiting to be called if there was an issue with the Bin Laden raid, per CNN.com. They were the one's to be called on the rescue the S.EA.L.'s. But like most of us military memebers, it's all of us supporting every branch.
psu5150 9 months ago
seals, recon, ranger, PJS, all that matters is we would each die for our brothers.
so everyone stop bitching.
82nd airborne.
MrNickyweed 9 months ago
@TheRickIRL Yes, I am aware of that, thank you.
mistergrin 10 months ago
All the military guys are awesome! God bless them all.
cowbellpeaceprize 10 months ago
The Air Force also has a "Warrior Ethos".
mistergrin 10 months ago
...and what is STS? are they a seperate AFSC than PJ, TACP, and CCT? or "are" TACP, PJ, and CCT the STS??
ohaman17 11 months ago
@ohaman17
If I'm not mistaken, then STS encompasses TACP, PJs, and CCTs. Special Tactics Officers (STOs), however, are the officer counterparts of CCTs.
SAGEmovieproductions 10 months ago
@SAGEmovieproductions How about combat weather?
mistergrin 10 months ago
@mistergrin
True. I had forgotten about them. Thanks!
SAGEmovieproductions 10 months ago
@SAGEmovieproductions Oh no, don't mention it, I wasn't suggesting or reminding you about them, I was just asking. Hahaha!
mistergrin 10 months ago
if you are a PJ, will you be front lin/ behind enemy line combat? are they a direct fighting force?
ohaman17 11 months ago
@ohaman17
PJs usually try to avoid fire if possible, but they are trained to be able to fight like the other Special Ops if necessary, and will go behind enemy lines/on the front line if the mission requires them to do so.
They are paramedics, but first and foremost, they are combatants, so they do carry weapons into combat and take enemy fire.
If you're interested in PJs, the Air Force website has a lot of information you may find useful.
SAGEmovieproductions 10 months ago
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Their bad asses. I have big respect.
applecri5p 11 months ago
PJs are fucking awesome. If I were enlisting at 18 today, that would be my goal. Sadly, I didn't join the military till 34 so I'm just a regular medic. Great job though, I wish I'd started younger.
stillmattwest 11 months ago
pussies ,,,,,,hahahahhha fucked head come out of fantasies and atleast fight a real war .....u are fucked in every coener of the world ..sissiesssss
meinkimpf 11 months ago
@meinkimpf What the hell? please grab a dictionary and think through your response before you post some cryptic chain of words next time
Tcm0240 11 months ago
@Tcm0240 just two words made for you .... FUCK OFF.....you got it dick head buahahahahaha
meinkimpf 11 months ago
@meinkimpf What? What are you talking about?
mistergrin 10 months ago
I used to be a PJ and we worked and trained with alot of sister services and trained them as well , What do you think JSOC stands for.
lv2surf 11 months ago
@lv2surf Joint Service Operations Command? :/ I'm completely guessing here haha
violinwesley 11 months ago
@violinwesley JSOC/ Joint Special Operations Command, PAFB NC
lv2surf 11 months ago
WHAT ABOUT HAND TO HAND COMBAT? Are these air force special ops units trained in any form of hand to hand or cqc?
orduni90 11 months ago
If anyone here is a U.S. PJ please contact me through a private message I have a lot of questions and i am hoping to go to the Air Force Academy and be a pilot or a PJ
mredgebass 11 months ago
16 Years Security Forces, I've always wanted to be one of these guys.
HuntHawaii808 11 months ago
Marines are better!!!!!!!!
Yeah, that was a joke. I think Marine fan boys should probably grow up someday.
CaptainAmerica322 1 year ago
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mistergrin 10 months ago
are air force officers permitted to be in this type of career field? :/
violinwesley 1 year ago
@violinwesley yes the job is called a CRO or combat rescue officer, they go through all the same training right there with the enlisted guys training to be a PJ
Benelli1989 11 months ago
@Benelli1989 ahh thanks very much!
violinwesley 11 months ago
@Benelli1989 When I was a PJ it was the only career field in the military that was enlisted only we used to pride ourselfs on that. Training is tough but its alot more watered down these days, They havent down crossovers in years, I don't think they are even allowed in the military anymore.
lv2surf 11 months ago
@lv2surf explain a crossover...they might just have a different term for it....are they like 10 ups?
Benelli1989 9 months ago
@Benelli1989 All the trainees get on the wall in the deep end of the pool, Mask/fins/twin 80 tanks and weight belt no regulator, Instructor yells Prepare to crossover.CROSSOVER Then each side swims at each other on the bottom one side gos high and other low. And a team of instructors ride your back pull off your mask grap fins etc. You do a set of 8 But someone always made use do 16, 8 to 12 lanes wide, And you only get 10/12 seconds to rest between crossovers, This washout 65% only alone!
lv2surf 9 months ago
@lv2surf hmm not sure. dont recall them having tanks til dive school in florida. i remembering hearing about swimming across high and low and the cadre would grab on to you they called it sharking i think....again im not a PJ my brother is. oh well regardless the training, same mission!!
Benelli1989 9 months ago
@Benelli1989 I went through OLJ Pararescue indoc School in 1985/86 They havent done the crossovers since the 80s they even did them at Army SF Scuba School Key West Fla. Where we all went to then I heard the DOD outlawed them due a drowning at Scuba School. The current Pararescue program is alot easier than what it used to be. We over a 90% washout rate at the OLJ and had 6 in the pipeline and graduated 5 from KAFB N.M.
lv2surf 9 months ago
@lv2surf oh wow...i dont think that means its a cake walk now though...and a guy did die in my brothers indoc...he was close to age 40 and when he passed out during underwaters the civilan ex pj who was like 60 jumped in and couldnt lift him back up. they kept it very secret.....hour later they were back in the water....did they do green feet tattoo on the ass back then?
Benelli1989 9 months ago
@Benelli1989 No its by no means a cakewalk But the standards have been lowered ask any old school PJ, PJs started in the 1940s when a plane went down in Berma with a high ranking Press member aboard. PJs have a history thats almost as old as the AIr Force ,The green feet tatto started in Vietnam 60s era as the symbol of the HH-3/53 Jolly Green Giant heli. We used to spray paint feet on AF Bases water towers to let all know we were there. Many a Air Force bases have green feet on the water tower.
lv2surf 9 months ago
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@violinwesley yes the job is called a CRO or combat rescue officer, they go through all the same training right there with the enlisted guys training to be a PJ
Benelli1989 11 months ago
I like airforce i maybe the kid but i'm thinking about joining a branch (hope you all know what i mean by branch) army is proably where i'm going to go (strong sea stomach but still not that strong rough sea and i'm turning green) still airforce is cool but not really a techy fly the most high tech thing thats worth millions with weapons (talking basically all the aircraft in airforce) still army then maybe army rangers still time will tell go America and its Armed focres here and there!!!!
lemonkids3 1 year ago
I just came home from Marine Corps OCS due to an ankle injury. I think I'd rather be on the enlisted side, so I'm considering going for PJ selection! Much respect to ALL branches of the military. PJs are bad ass.
DeltaLimaNiner 1 year ago 3
Didn't mean to flag this. But are these guys pj's or cct's?
LyricalElixars 1 year ago
@LyricalElixars Both. They have members from both speaking.
Glock3260 1 year ago
<~~~~~~~~~S.E.R.E. FASOGRULANT, Brunswick ME graduate here!
MOTODESIGN09 1 year ago
Oh man I'm going to join the Air force CSAR team but water just scares me. Gotta drop my nuts soon.
IsRens 1 year ago
@IsRens
Water is not the hard part....it's floating. Just remember to breath evenly and smoothly. When you tread water, frog kick. Do NOT start fluttering your legs....you WILL wear yourself out faster. I was a prior US Navy Aircrew Candidate. The biggest trick to water survival is to stop thinking about how scared you are of it.
MOTODESIGN09 1 year ago
@MOTODESIGN09 I'll take that into consideration, thanks for the advice.
IsRens 1 year ago
@MOTODESIGN09 You dont do frog kick to stay afloat. Egg beater is what they will teach you. Much more efficient.
Glock3260 1 year ago
@viktore86
Thanks man its the truth. I wanna be STO or CRO and I'll be backin SEALS, Rangers or rescuin them so I agree.
2014usafsto 1 year ago
Im a Senior and know im joining the AF. I have been an Air force child my whole life along with my brothers and it is a great life. My dad is an E9 in the mechanic field but I wanna do pararescue or combat control. Can anyone that is in tell me what it is like?
Dameit15 1 year ago
@USMCFUCKYEA
I appreciate that!
drothefuture 1 year ago
Alright this is how it goes. 1/5th the people arguing on here and talking about their tours probably served together. 1/5th are little kids who read wikipedia and then come to you tube to show people they know EVERYTHING!! 1/5th are searching "Why Is The The Chair Force?". 1/5th are trying to find out "Air Force really has Special Forces" (Yes they have the best, BTW). And 1/5th are just trolls who have wikipedia up and youtube up waiting for people to combat.
-Future USAF PJ Indoc Class of 11'
drothefuture 1 year ago
My son is in Afghanistan (USAF Special Op's) Two of his buddy's from H.S are Marine's, two cousin's are Infantry, a CSM for an uncle, AF dad and grandpa along with an Army grandpa and uncle. They all respect each other and what they have done, and they have so much respect and appreciation for what he does. All branches defend the USA.
dinkersmom 1 year ago
SEAL's and Pararescue =total badasses
skadooshcovers 1 year ago
Nice, another gung-ho video of the guys who throw grenades at aid worker hostages, torture "suspects", then deny it and shoot their own support teams. Whoo hoo...or D'oh! You decide
thesidewindersleeps 1 year ago
@thesidewindersleeps
How the hell are you to give out such crap! It is easy to be an armchair quaterback.
YOu are one of those guys who will never amount to much.
gascap12 1 year ago
@gascap12 How much do I pay you for the forcast?. You are on of those guys who will only play tough from behind a keyboard.
BTW learn to spell before you respond to one of my comments, idiot.
thesidewindersleeps 1 year ago
People IN the military don´t bad-talk other branches...only wannabes and little kids, so stop talking like you´re in.
I´m in the Air Force, and I love the Marines, Navy, Army and the Coast Guard, we´re ALL equal!
viktore86 1 year ago 76
@viktore86 u got that right. my brother is in the navy. god bless the US Military.
USSWISCONSIN64 1 year ago
@viktore86 It's a Marines thing...
USAFJUNKIE 1 year ago
@viktore86 We need to change our battle cry.
thebossfrost 1 year ago
@viktore86
BS there was and is "bad talk" all over the place and fighting too... and I speak from experience, not some wanna be or little kid.
omar1s1 1 year ago
@viktore86
Well Im in the Air Force. And we shit all over anyone else.
rccwilliams 1 year ago 16
@viktore86 The PJ's are badass....Thats from a former Navy man. :)
stevegreen65 11 months ago
@viktore86 Well said.
vancityguy 8 months ago
Hardcore.
mauledkitten 1 year ago
way more than half fail!!
motoxdood 1 year ago
people think they can do this shit and half of them fail.
FreePrizeMoney 1 year ago
@FreePrizeMoney
98% wash out rate.
RSHotchicky666 1 year ago
SEALS are the best warriors in the modern world hands down...chairforce "specops" can take a back seat behind basic army and Marine Corps infantry.... fuck commericals... its what your unit does in the battle field and these pussies dont do much...
Apocalyspe7 1 year ago
@Apocalyspe7 E man actualy the PJ's do in fact much. If you are in combat and one bullet strikes you and you are to far from a base ore to far from a city ore you are in a mountain area with your team than the first thing that you will hope is that some PJ's will arrive to take you safely back to base because thats one of there specialty, save your life and bring you back to base.
bennyronny 1 year ago
@bennyronny Bullshit... Marines got Navy Corpsman, army has there own medics embeded in thier units... each has the capability of flying wounded infantry back to safe zones... i guess they must be spec ops capable too...
Apocalyspe7 1 year ago
@Apocalyspe7 so yeah im pretty sure your retarded......you should have been in iraq with me during one of my three tours and told that to my face....
CXMilburn 1 year ago
@CXMilburn Alright highspeed.... did 2 combat tours myself 2004, 2006.... I worked alongside rangers once, and deployed with seals and force recon with the 11th MEU... never did i see or even hear about pjs doing shit... not on the news, radio, nothing... all of the above got war stories pjs not so much... but hey your the hardest thing the chair force gots to offer congrats
Apocalyspe7 1 year ago
@Apocalyspe7
I think its funny... The pride these internet "Marines" have. You don't hear about our endeavors as much because we don't talk about them. The Combat Controllers, the PJ's, S.E.R.E. school? All Air Force. PJ's serve everyone, not just our branch, and S.E.R.E. school TEACHES Marines, GB's, S.E.A.L.s, and anyone in SOCOM how to survive. Keep touting your banners as "The Best", but don't forget who keeps you there.