Do u guys think a 21-years old wounded soviet tank sergeant are able to modify the whole design of the early version of Ak-47? to be honest i doubt that... the Russian must've captured the Third Reich's technology during the downfall, including the complete tech of Sturmgewehr... only the Russian did is to improve and upgrade the parts for a better reliability and muzzle velocity etc....
@ssdwellah He copied most of the design, and he copied a few other attributes from other guns-some of the firing mechanism form the M1 Garand, for example.
@SuperSmashyfication They made it in response to the semi automatic M1 Garand and M1 carbine after the G43 semi automatic rifle proved too expensive and unreliable in combat.
@Nigelmalibu Actually the MP40 was expensive when it came to parts and labor compared to the Karabiner 98k, but the Karabiner was bolt-action. So they had to find the middle ground, which is this gun. Plus the MP40 would never have been able to compete with the PPSh41 anyway.
@SuperSmashyfication yeah, 50 round barrel clip.(mp40) it was a stamped gun so they could quite easily mass produce it, in the same way they were able to mass produce these but yes the pps was a very Leet smg. any thing that is stamped can be made rather easily.
@Nigelmalibu Yeah, not the mention it gave the Russians vastly superior firepower when the rest of the world was stuck with bolt-action or semi-auto rifles.
@SuperSmashyfication dont forget they also had bolt action rifles, and there was a huge shortage of them, it wasnt until '43 that they actually had their military might in full swing. vastly good firepower (at very close range) nothing else. still the mp40 was probably way cheaper to produce
@SuperSmashyfication to what are you referring? im referring to the MASS SHORTAGE of weapons that the red army had until 1943. Also they had NO assault rifles only an SMG (pps) - (in very short supply that only the small amount of elite troops were given) and the other assortment of rifles that was given to around 55% of their army, the rest were left with what they could bring from home (nothing).
@SuperSmashyfication how is that even relavent to "the mp40 was a useless gun" of course bolt action or intermediate range assault rifle is more useful than just bolt action, i never said it wasnt...? all i said was counter points. the only thing that the pps had over the mp40 was a smaller round (less range) and a bigger clip whilst making it slightly more expensive to produce. the mp40 was smaller so it was more useful for tank crews etc and had a larger round so it did more damage when it hit
@Nigelmalibu Hey, I wasn't looking for an argument. I was simply sharing information and opinions about some great guns, and I hoped you would do the same. I was merely pointing out that the Russian mass-production of PPSh-41s (which FYI were mostly made of recycled Mosin-Nagant barrels, cheap wooden stocks and stamped mechanism parts) gave the Soviets an edge in firepower. I was also saying that the Germans having an assault rifle as well as bolt-action gave them an edge too.
@SuperSmashyfication My bad, i thought you were haha most people usually are :) i actually found out a few things i didnt know before, and im glad knowledge is power. it was actually a 71round barrel clip, what a mighty SMG - I give it more credit than i did earlier havin said all this the rusians were at a real loss for weapons till about the time the germans were 40km from moscow city centre. but they did kick some arse during their winter. Bolt action rifles i found out also were realy cheap
@Nigelmalibu Yeah cool, then again EVERYONE was having trouble getting their hands on weapons because of all the trade embargoes and blockades. America was probably the only place not having supply issues.
@SuperSmashyfication Not as much as russia or germany I believe, if you've seen the movie enemy at the gates, its one rifle between two soldiers :-S and germany's logistics went from being great to aweful in a few days, they had so many different cartridges and so many different guns etc, I also heard that america did basically everything short of going to war with nearly all the other countries of europe before and after they got invaded. They call it Zionism or something like that?
I'd imagine that the 7.62x33 was a little underpowered for the actual bullet, given the ranges at which it was to fight. 5.56 and 7.62x39 both have a bit more powder behind them, therefore can be used in longer distance engagements.
Its amazing the Germans developed such an incredible weapon. If Hitler had not prevented its deployment, one wonders what it would have altered in the war.
@MrTurdFurgeson i think you made a typo. its a 7.92X33 not 7.62 . the russians were obsessed with the numbers 762 their tank barrels were 76.2mm some with 85mm also. I agree it probably would have done a bit better with being a X35 instead of X33 as much more than that, for the width of the bullet being greater than an AK47 (and many other small arms used throughout the war) it would have too much recoil. it already has (i think) 110gr out of the factory with 125gr being available now
@MrLiszthoven It is surprizingly accurate. "... can be fired on full auto with a good degree of accuracy" cant really compare this to the K98 and the Lee Enfield and the springfeild that its being put up against, which have a much longer cartridge was a relatively short cartridge, it probably could have been 2mm longer but any more than that, too much recoil for it is a 7.92 round and as Bigmek456 says, it is accurate
I own 2 AKs and love them. The design is amazing in its simplicity. But when it came to innovation the Germans were the best. A huge amount of post-WW2 military tech was largely influenced by Germany.
@T55Storm But if it was used in World War 2, and the video says it stayed in service for 2 years, then it can't have stayed in service until 1960 can it?
@DragonCommando1998 Any gun has the possibility to stay in service till the present day its just the STG44 stayed in East german Service Until 1960 when it was replaced By the Soviet AKM & it was only 1 or 2 battalions worth its eather the researchers didnt find out or they didnt want to confuse
@DragonCommando1998 but it did in East Germany til 1960. Thats when it was replaced with a new one. Do research on it, it will show you that it was in service for longer time. The guys on the military channel dont do all their research. Thats why.
the vid is wrong, it was used for much more than 2 years.. in the years following the war it was issued to east german soldiers, romania, czecoslovakia, hunghary and yugoslavia. it can even still be found on the battlefields of afghanistan and iraq, and even africa (which i think is unfortunate because they should be in museums or for sale to respectable owners as pieces of history)
actually the mp44 was used in designing the sks rifles and then if you combine the looks of the sks and mp44 you can see how the ak 47 got its looks. it got the caliber from the sks. sks is a nice rifle but got replaced rather quick by the ak so theres a bunch of them you can buy pretty cheap, but nice gun a little more accurate than the ak but it is certain that it isnt as famous.but seriously look at the two rifles and combine parts to see how it makes out the ak.
@brucetravers16 SKS has like 0 things in common with the STG44 other then they do both fire intermediate cartridges. They are completely different weapons. The SKS is a semi automatic rifle where the STG44 is a select fire assault rifle. The mechanics are quite different between the two. SKS is a short stroke piston rifle where the STG44 is a long stroke piston rifle.
Short service length..? In years, maybe, but the amount on action and the conditions these weapons saw is a different matter. All of the stg´s were issued to frontline troops and especially to Waffen-SS units that were used more or less regularily as so-called fire brigade units to launch quick counter attacks etc. 2 years of WWII in Russian front or Normandie is more than enough of a service record because these rifles were never kept in gun lockers of a garrison but always in the field.
@Werwolf889 Yes but the AK-47 was heavliy influenced by the STG44. Sure it doesnt have the same insides but why would it? It wouldnt be an AK if it did.
ಠ_ಠ ..... the first assault rifle was the federov avtomat (1915) it had selective fire capabilities and was chambered in 6.5x50mm round and had a pistol grip
Amazing, the STG44 was so far ahead of the competition, it was on it's own. Easy to control on full auto, the gas system and barrel actually hold their positions, unlike the AK47. Brilliant gun, it should be top of the list. How can an 8clip garand compare to 500 rds per min? Beyond one's comprehension.
@arriviste2020 How doesn't the AK hold its positions when its fired? I don't think the STG44 is nearly as refined as the AK is. The STG44 didn't get the chance to improve over time like the AK did. I believe the Germans had the intentions of replacing the STG44 with STG45, but didn't get the chance as the war ended.
@arriviste2020 All gun barrels wobble to a degree. It's a fact. I've seen that video where they show a close up of the AK, but don't show a close of the M16. The M16's handguards cover most of the barrel so you can't see how the barrel shakes in slow motion very much.
The gun has to absorb / deal with the reaction. The STG44, firing under actual combat conditions is easier to handle than an Ak47 , especially where repeat target acqusition is required. Again, look at actual combat film footage.
@arriviste2020 It's really difficult to draw any conclusions from old black and white film..... It's not like you can see if they hit or killed what they were shooting at.
Not if one is familiar with using assault rifles. Observe the muzzle action of the STG, ...follow the bolt recycling, Observe the position of the STG against the firer's shoulder each time the trigger is depressed and the action cycled. One picture and all that.
@arriviste2020 I am. I've fired many semi automatic version of AK's and AR15's, etc. I don't deny the STG44 is probably more controllable in full auto and has less recoil, but that is mostly due to the fact that when loaded, weighs almost 3-4 pounds more then a loaded AK and fires a bullet of the same grain as an AK, but comes out the muzzle nearly 100 ft/s less. The gas system the STG44 has is nearly the same as an AK. Long stroke piston with piston attached to operating rod.
Semi auto is poles apart from full auto.The gas system on the STG is more efficent than the AK. It also drives the action in a straight line, the return system, which absorbs the initial reaction, is also more efficient. I believe that there are some U.S. comparison demo's and the majority opinion favoured the STG in ease of operation. Film of Normandy and the Eastern front would seem to echo that sentiment.
@arriviste2020 Maybe theoretically that's true. The STG44 has been dead for 67 years,where the AK is still alive and kicking. The AK keeps being updated. From what I read an AK-74 is almost as accurate as a M4, so why doesn't that inefficent gas system apply there when it operates exactly the same as a regular AK.
STG 44's have been used in Iraq by insurgents etc. I very much doubt if anything in the AK family is on par with the accuracy of the M4. The latest model's of the AK family are as different as chalk and cheese to the originals. Everyone likes to improve, otherwise there would not be different types of weapons. The simple act of an expanding gas operating a piston rod has been refined by using different metals, length of rod, area being struck by gas, etc. Some dispense with the rod.
@arriviste2020 That doesn't mean anything. Insurgents will use what ever can shoot no matter what it is. A lot of Afghans use Enfield rifles. There's no real army anymore that uses a STG44 anymore, but plenty with the AK. The internals have changed a bit, yes.
It means something to the people that are using them. Some Afghans are using an Enfield for accuracy. In fact, going backward to move forward. Ak-47's can lay down fire, but not much beyond 300 mtr's (approx). Soviets wanted fiepower, not interested in individual riflemen being trained. They got the "burp" gun and loved it. Sk next then the Ak47, all great for close order work . Has anyone actually improved on the STEN guns cheapness, method of operation and ability to kill people?
@arriviste2020 It's not like they have a choice though. You would be a fool to take a 67 year old STG44 if you could get a newly made assault rifle. Yeah, I imagine some are using them for same reason we use M14's. Intermediate cartridges we use today just aren't as effective at long range.
@arriviste2020 I'm pretty sure they practiced marksmanship just like any army teaches. In my SKS book, they mention about specific requirements for accuracy the soldier had to fufill. There aren't spray and pray weapons, but there are spray and pray people. The Sten gun really wasn't that great from what I read in reliability. I'm sure there are a lot better SMG's out there.
Russia did not have the time or instructors to turn out excellent infantrymen. Between Joe Stalin demanding supplies and aid from the West, to forestall Russia's capitulation to Germany, (Yes, Joe Stalin used that wording)plus the numbers of Officers and other ranks which he had purged, the training of the Russian army was sorely lacking. The STEN gun killed just as efficiently as a sub-machine gun costing 10 times as much. It had issues with safety not reliability. It 's an example.
@arriviste2020 That was WW2 though. I'm sure after WW2 they had plenty of experienced men. I imagine they learned the hard way though. Most of their money was spent on the military, so much so that they went broke and dissolved.
Stalin's purges had effect far beyond the conclusion of WW2, A disproportionate number of the Russian forces were conscripts. Post war records indicate that very clearly. It could also be readily ascertained in the debacle in Afghanistan, and other various "incidents" within the armed forces. Russia destroyed it's self from within, all driven by their paranoia, and deliberate propaganda generated by their government.
This program is biased, they give this bad score for being in service for only 2 years but that was becuse the germans lost the war! This would probably get a high lifespan if the Germans won the war. And I don´t like the fact that assault rifles and regular rifles are sharing this list. It makes no sense.
@ShitList2010 It´s hard to speculate how the world would be but Hitler had no intention to takeover America, now you might wonder why Hitler started war with America that was becuse americans had breaking their neutrality very early, Roosevelt gave permission to American fighter pilots to fight for the brits, America supplied the brits with war materiel and American ships attacked german sub-marines etc.
Search on youtube: "Hitler declares war on the zionist state: USA"
@Werwolf889 Yes I agree. The AK-47 does use a long stroke piston gas system and piston attached to the operating rod, but to be honest, there are a lots of designs prior to the STG44 that used a piston attached to the operating rod design.
I find it highly likely that captured german scientist were a help in the developement of the AK-47, though its not a copy, the bolt, operation, safety are all different. Similar, but on the inside, no.
ಠ_ಠ ..... the first assault rifle was the federov avtomat (1915) it had selective fire capabilities and was chambered in 6.5x50mm round and had a pistol grip another rifle called the cei rigotti(1900) also had selective fire capabilities and was chambered in 6.5x52mm round both of these came way before the stg44
Neither the Stg.44 nor the AK-47 were first. An earlier example of assault rifle is the Federov Avtomat from 1915, and I'm not sure that was the first either!
its strange how the stg 44 and stg 45 were/are considered part of the Nazis wonder weapon program. They were revonlutionary, but compared to what was on the drawing board....
Why do so many people say the Avtomat Kalashnikova is a copy of the SGT-44, They share only similar external profile and AK prototypes look NOTHING like the SGT (primarily because the Ak was based of the SKS-45 which owed to older Russian automatics) the SGT fires a sorter and wider 8x33mm wheras the AK fires a 7.62x39mm. moral, Apply research before you make assumptions
@ndcpro1998 THAT'S WHY AK47 IS #1 RIGHT?AND THE M16 #2 ?
the Avtomat Kalashinikova 47 or Ak 47 is one the most revolutionary weapons ever built
sure the STG was great but no where as revolutionary and Effective as the Ak considering the fact they fire the same caliber rounds
The m16 is one of the best Assault rifles that exists with It's 3 round burst faster than any of the H&K mp5 weapon series and the really less recoil makes it better than any close combat weapon.
@run00n0 No you don't. You probably own some civilian, semi-automatic only Romanian WASR-10/63 or some Chinese made MAK-90. You're full of shit on that one as well.
@run00n0 I never say that the AK-47 was shit or any of it, but without the concept of the StG, I doubt that any of the present AUG, M16 or any "assault rifle". And we never know how the StG performs, both on stopping power and reliability, since the weapon is designed almost 70 years ago. Hitler probably burned down all the documents, including the StG's field reports, and the weapon is rarer than rare these days so we'll probably never know. And the M16 is the best? It jams like shit man.
man im not putting down any of the german weapons, in fact i like quite alot of them, i just want to finally proove that the ak is different from the stg in certain ways, its just a big arguement and i want to try and end it, and ya i hate nazis, big deal, after what they have done to my grandparents in the war i think i have the right to hate on nazi skin heads
The revolutionary concept of the guns is not the only criteria for ranking them. That's why your (and my) precious Sturmgewehr 44 isn't on the top of the list. Hope that helps
Don't quite understand why such an important step forward in infantry firearms, should be a lowly 9th position. Something very odd there, one has to say! Anyone out there of the same opinion?
@MrVeggie247 no he hates it when people compare the stg 44 to his ak because they look the same but the internals of the guns are completely different, in short, they look the same yes, but on the inside they are completely different.
@TheRunawayjew And you shut your damn mouth your just putting the STG-44 down because your a runaway jew, just like the people who make these shows couldn't accept Nazi inventions possibly being in the top of any category
@MrVeggie247 The AK-47 and the StG 44 are mechanically different. While the AK-47 is a long-stroke piston operated rifle, the StG 44 uses delayed roller action.
@1JesseW The STG44 is long stroke piston gas operated rifle just like the AK is. You're thinking of the STG45. The STG45 uses a roller delayed blowback action.
@rossmum The FAL is nothing like the AK. The FAL has a short stroke piston, the AK a long stroke piston attached to the operating rod like the STG44. The AK has a rotating bolt, the FAL has a tilting bolt like the STG44.
im only looking at thhis since my friend went to the eastern front and dug up an old bolt section of a riffle and also found a gun that looks like a ak and he said this is it since he has played call of duty ww2
lol i love how people believe that germany is still a nazi state its called our generations do not listen in history class, they also refer to russia as the soviet union the soviet union collapsed it is russia yes both countries have a history of great guns germany has just built more advanced guns
@SargentGunnery the AK-47 design was based on the STG44 assault rifle. The only differences was the AK-47 was made in the Soviet Union, and was, in my opinion, more reliable weapon.
It seems to me that many of the generals in the Nazi army simply didn't listen to their Fuhrer; Perhaps if they did the war would've had a different outcome.
Not that I'm pro-Hitler or anything. I'm just saying that it would be interesting to consider that.
@Ebvardh I think the German military did well in spite of the Fuhrer, not because of him. Hitler's generals didn't listen to him because he was not a great strategist. If they had ignored him completely, they probably wouldn't have invaded Russia, which split their forces that were eventually lost to the Russian winter.
@dimitboris not all Germans are evil, stop blaming the modern Germans who have to suffer stereotypes, and have to pay for the sins of their ancestors. Stop hating! The war is over! Quit the meanness!!
@bebe4235 one more thing we russians got better weapons than those piece of shit bastard they must be nuked by the soviet union all you germans are the pests of this world that must be killed at once!!!
@BigMek456 also ypu wish that your people can kiss and suck balls coz all you germans are fucktard fags you just showed how incompetent and stupid your people are :D
@dimitboris What can we thank germany for today? All the medical research. The v2 rocket technology. Fighter Jet technology. Lets not forget what stalin did. He killed over 50 million of his own people. The Russians were the true evil back then..
@Punisher7654 the germans are the true evil if we are evil we could have fought you amerikans in ww1 and ww2 and invade your nation but we did not these germans are bastards pigs shits whatever they are and comrade stalin is right germans dont have the right to live in this earth
@dimitboris Oh Right, Lets see what your "comrade" would of done to you. He would of most likely put you in a soviet camp because he felt you were too much of a "threat"
STG44 stayed in East German Service until 1960! & Yugoslav service until the late 70's!!
T55Storm 1 week ago
If they gave it to all german soldiers in 1944...Imagine :D
KiNOV4 2 weeks ago
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Do u guys think a 21-years old wounded soviet tank sergeant are able to modify the whole design of the early version of Ak-47? to be honest i doubt that... the Russian must've captured the Third Reich's technology during the downfall, including the complete tech of Sturmgewehr... only the Russian did is to improve and upgrade the parts for a better reliability and muzzle velocity etc....
CrazySoon9413 1 month ago
The service length is kind of silly sometimes. The war ended, of course the service length is short.
Vofsebjeff 1 month ago
Why does the AK47 have such a similar appearance, design, and cartridge? Did Mikhail Kalashnikov actually copy some captured rifles/plans?
ssdwellah 2 months ago
@ssdwellah Yes, The AK-47 was ACTUALLY a copy of the Stg-44, surprisingly enough
Aviator1141 2 months ago
@Aviator1141 Wrong, the guts of an AK are nothing whatsoever like the Stg-44.
Do not listen to this man.
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@voltage17121712 they are a lot alike dumbass
Aviator1141 1 month ago
@voltage17121712 yeah one has a rolling bolt and the ak fires 7.62 and the sturmgewehr fires something like 7.82 or 7.92
mastererik323 1 month ago
@mastererik323 AK fires 7.62x39mm STG Fires 8x33mm (7.92)
T55Storm 3 weeks ago
@mastererik323 AK 47=7.62x39
StG44=7.92x33
cdan626 2 weeks ago
@ssdwellah
I'd say so...
WatchRyder 1 month ago
@ssdwellah He copied most of the design, and he copied a few other attributes from other guns-some of the firing mechanism form the M1 Garand, for example.
cdan626 2 weeks ago
No roof on the car whats the point of it being bullet proof
ripkerse 2 months ago
the ak47 (the most reliable/mass produced gun of all time) is a copy of the stg-44
BigSammy1000 2 months ago
@BigSammy1000 mass produced yes most reliable no
SuomiBroadcast 2 months ago
@Werwolf889 i read the basis of the sks was built off this.
Arctic10mm 2 months ago
They only bothered making this because the MP40 was useless.
SuperSmashyfication 3 months ago
@SuperSmashyfication They made it in response to the semi automatic M1 Garand and M1 carbine after the G43 semi automatic rifle proved too expensive and unreliable in combat.
mauiboynokaoi 2 months ago
@mauiboynokaoi Really? Thank you friend, you have taught me something new.
SuperSmashyfication 2 months ago
@SuperSmashyfication The MP40 was an awesome weapon. It was a smg, not a rifle. very cheap reliable gun.
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
@Nigelmalibu Actually the MP40 was expensive when it came to parts and labor compared to the Karabiner 98k, but the Karabiner was bolt-action. So they had to find the middle ground, which is this gun. Plus the MP40 would never have been able to compete with the PPSh41 anyway.
SuperSmashyfication 2 months ago
@SuperSmashyfication yeah, 50 round barrel clip.(mp40) it was a stamped gun so they could quite easily mass produce it, in the same way they were able to mass produce these but yes the pps was a very Leet smg. any thing that is stamped can be made rather easily.
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
@Nigelmalibu Yeah, not the mention it gave the Russians vastly superior firepower when the rest of the world was stuck with bolt-action or semi-auto rifles.
SuperSmashyfication 2 months ago
@SuperSmashyfication dont forget they also had bolt action rifles, and there was a huge shortage of them, it wasnt until '43 that they actually had their military might in full swing. vastly good firepower (at very close range) nothing else. still the mp40 was probably way cheaper to produce
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
@Nigelmalibu Yeah, but bolt-action and assault rifle is always more useful than just bolt-action.
SuperSmashyfication 2 months ago
@SuperSmashyfication to what are you referring? im referring to the MASS SHORTAGE of weapons that the red army had until 1943. Also they had NO assault rifles only an SMG (pps) - (in very short supply that only the small amount of elite troops were given) and the other assortment of rifles that was given to around 55% of their army, the rest were left with what they could bring from home (nothing).
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
@SuperSmashyfication how is that even relavent to "the mp40 was a useless gun" of course bolt action or intermediate range assault rifle is more useful than just bolt action, i never said it wasnt...? all i said was counter points. the only thing that the pps had over the mp40 was a smaller round (less range) and a bigger clip whilst making it slightly more expensive to produce. the mp40 was smaller so it was more useful for tank crews etc and had a larger round so it did more damage when it hit
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
@Nigelmalibu Hey, I wasn't looking for an argument. I was simply sharing information and opinions about some great guns, and I hoped you would do the same. I was merely pointing out that the Russian mass-production of PPSh-41s (which FYI were mostly made of recycled Mosin-Nagant barrels, cheap wooden stocks and stamped mechanism parts) gave the Soviets an edge in firepower. I was also saying that the Germans having an assault rifle as well as bolt-action gave them an edge too.
SuperSmashyfication 2 months ago
@SuperSmashyfication My bad, i thought you were haha most people usually are :) i actually found out a few things i didnt know before, and im glad knowledge is power. it was actually a 71round barrel clip, what a mighty SMG - I give it more credit than i did earlier havin said all this the rusians were at a real loss for weapons till about the time the germans were 40km from moscow city centre. but they did kick some arse during their winter. Bolt action rifles i found out also were realy cheap
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
@Nigelmalibu Yeah cool, then again EVERYONE was having trouble getting their hands on weapons because of all the trade embargoes and blockades. America was probably the only place not having supply issues.
SuperSmashyfication 2 months ago
@SuperSmashyfication Not as much as russia or germany I believe, if you've seen the movie enemy at the gates, its one rifle between two soldiers :-S and germany's logistics went from being great to aweful in a few days, they had so many different cartridges and so many different guns etc, I also heard that america did basically everything short of going to war with nearly all the other countries of europe before and after they got invaded. They call it Zionism or something like that?
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
So it's not too accurate, according to this programme.
MrLiszthoven 4 months ago
@MrLiszthoven
I'd imagine that the 7.62x33 was a little underpowered for the actual bullet, given the ranges at which it was to fight. 5.56 and 7.62x39 both have a bit more powder behind them, therefore can be used in longer distance engagements.
Its amazing the Germans developed such an incredible weapon. If Hitler had not prevented its deployment, one wonders what it would have altered in the war.
MrTurdFurgeson 3 months ago
@MrTurdFurgeson i think you made a typo. its a 7.92X33 not 7.62 . the russians were obsessed with the numbers 762 their tank barrels were 76.2mm some with 85mm also. I agree it probably would have done a bit better with being a X35 instead of X33 as much more than that, for the width of the bullet being greater than an AK47 (and many other small arms used throughout the war) it would have too much recoil. it already has (i think) 110gr out of the factory with 125gr being available now
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
@MrLiszthoven you can hit someones head standing when the target is 100 metres away. until 300 metres accurate. military channel lies.
BigMek456 3 months ago
@MrLiszthoven It is surprizingly accurate. "... can be fired on full auto with a good degree of accuracy" cant really compare this to the K98 and the Lee Enfield and the springfeild that its being put up against, which have a much longer cartridge was a relatively short cartridge, it probably could have been 2mm longer but any more than that, too much recoil for it is a 7.92 round and as Bigmek456 says, it is accurate
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
I own 2 AKs and love them. The design is amazing in its simplicity. But when it came to innovation the Germans were the best. A huge amount of post-WW2 military tech was largely influenced by Germany.
JGD1985 4 months ago
the STG44 stayed in german service until 1960!
T55Storm 4 months ago 19
@T55Storm Really?? WOW nice!! hoping i can find one for sale. they are a sexy rifle
Nigelmalibu 2 months ago
@T55Storm But if it was used in World War 2, and the video says it stayed in service for 2 years, then it can't have stayed in service until 1960 can it?
DragonCommando1998 3 weeks ago
@DragonCommando1998 Any gun has the possibility to stay in service till the present day its just the STG44 stayed in East german Service Until 1960 when it was replaced By the Soviet AKM & it was only 1 or 2 battalions worth its eather the researchers didnt find out or they didnt want to confuse
T55Storm 3 weeks ago
@DragonCommando1998 but it did in East Germany til 1960. Thats when it was replaced with a new one. Do research on it, it will show you that it was in service for longer time. The guys on the military channel dont do all their research. Thats why.
mexicanelitesniper 2 weeks ago
@mexicanelitesniper It was also used by Yugoslav paratroopers right untill 1980s
PanterausfG 2 weeks ago
@T55Storm So why they said the service length is low then?
Sgtkillbot 1 week ago
@Sgtkillbot its wrong
T55Storm 1 week ago
the vid is wrong, it was used for much more than 2 years.. in the years following the war it was issued to east german soldiers, romania, czecoslovakia, hunghary and yugoslavia. it can even still be found on the battlefields of afghanistan and iraq, and even africa (which i think is unfortunate because they should be in museums or for sale to respectable owners as pieces of history)
420JimmyX 5 months ago
actually the mp44 was used in designing the sks rifles and then if you combine the looks of the sks and mp44 you can see how the ak 47 got its looks. it got the caliber from the sks. sks is a nice rifle but got replaced rather quick by the ak so theres a bunch of them you can buy pretty cheap, but nice gun a little more accurate than the ak but it is certain that it isnt as famous.but seriously look at the two rifles and combine parts to see how it makes out the ak.
brucetravers16 5 months ago
@brucetravers16 SKS has like 0 things in common with the STG44 other then they do both fire intermediate cartridges. They are completely different weapons. The SKS is a semi automatic rifle where the STG44 is a select fire assault rifle. The mechanics are quite different between the two. SKS is a short stroke piston rifle where the STG44 is a long stroke piston rifle.
esh325 5 months ago
Short service length..? In years, maybe, but the amount on action and the conditions these weapons saw is a different matter. All of the stg´s were issued to frontline troops and especially to Waffen-SS units that were used more or less regularily as so-called fire brigade units to launch quick counter attacks etc. 2 years of WWII in Russian front or Normandie is more than enough of a service record because these rifles were never kept in gun lockers of a garrison but always in the field.
StPaul76 5 months ago
@Werwolf889 Yes but the AK-47 was heavliy influenced by the STG44. Sure it doesnt have the same insides but why would it? It wouldnt be an AK if it did.
ibilliedyourmomhard 5 months ago
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ಠ_ಠ ..... the first assault rifle was the federov avtomat (1915) it had selective fire capabilities and was chambered in 6.5x50mm round and had a pistol grip
jmantime 5 months ago
Stg44 rocks.
Stg44baby 5 months ago
Amazing, the STG44 was so far ahead of the competition, it was on it's own. Easy to control on full auto, the gas system and barrel actually hold their positions, unlike the AK47. Brilliant gun, it should be top of the list. How can an 8clip garand compare to 500 rds per min? Beyond one's comprehension.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 How doesn't the AK hold its positions when its fired? I don't think the STG44 is nearly as refined as the AK is. The STG44 didn't get the chance to improve over time like the AK did. I believe the Germans had the intentions of replacing the STG44 with STG45, but didn't get the chance as the war ended.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
View film footage of both weapons being used in (a) actual combat, and (b) comparison via high speed film. All self explanatory really.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 All gun barrels wobble to a degree. It's a fact. I've seen that video where they show a close up of the AK, but don't show a close of the M16. The M16's handguards cover most of the barrel so you can't see how the barrel shakes in slow motion very much.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
The gun has to absorb / deal with the reaction. The STG44, firing under actual combat conditions is easier to handle than an Ak47 , especially where repeat target acqusition is required. Again, look at actual combat film footage.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 It's really difficult to draw any conclusions from old black and white film..... It's not like you can see if they hit or killed what they were shooting at.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
Not if one is familiar with using assault rifles. Observe the muzzle action of the STG, ...follow the bolt recycling, Observe the position of the STG against the firer's shoulder each time the trigger is depressed and the action cycled. One picture and all that.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 I am. I've fired many semi automatic version of AK's and AR15's, etc. I don't deny the STG44 is probably more controllable in full auto and has less recoil, but that is mostly due to the fact that when loaded, weighs almost 3-4 pounds more then a loaded AK and fires a bullet of the same grain as an AK, but comes out the muzzle nearly 100 ft/s less. The gas system the STG44 has is nearly the same as an AK. Long stroke piston with piston attached to operating rod.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
Semi auto is poles apart from full auto.The gas system on the STG is more efficent than the AK. It also drives the action in a straight line, the return system, which absorbs the initial reaction, is also more efficient. I believe that there are some U.S. comparison demo's and the majority opinion favoured the STG in ease of operation. Film of Normandy and the Eastern front would seem to echo that sentiment.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 Maybe theoretically that's true. The STG44 has been dead for 67 years,where the AK is still alive and kicking. The AK keeps being updated. From what I read an AK-74 is almost as accurate as a M4, so why doesn't that inefficent gas system apply there when it operates exactly the same as a regular AK.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
STG 44's have been used in Iraq by insurgents etc. I very much doubt if anything in the AK family is on par with the accuracy of the M4. The latest model's of the AK family are as different as chalk and cheese to the originals. Everyone likes to improve, otherwise there would not be different types of weapons. The simple act of an expanding gas operating a piston rod has been refined by using different metals, length of rod, area being struck by gas, etc. Some dispense with the rod.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 That doesn't mean anything. Insurgents will use what ever can shoot no matter what it is. A lot of Afghans use Enfield rifles. There's no real army anymore that uses a STG44 anymore, but plenty with the AK. The internals have changed a bit, yes.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
It means something to the people that are using them. Some Afghans are using an Enfield for accuracy. In fact, going backward to move forward. Ak-47's can lay down fire, but not much beyond 300 mtr's (approx). Soviets wanted fiepower, not interested in individual riflemen being trained. They got the "burp" gun and loved it. Sk next then the Ak47, all great for close order work . Has anyone actually improved on the STEN guns cheapness, method of operation and ability to kill people?
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 It's not like they have a choice though. You would be a fool to take a 67 year old STG44 if you could get a newly made assault rifle. Yeah, I imagine some are using them for same reason we use M14's. Intermediate cartridges we use today just aren't as effective at long range.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
Intermediate cartridges were just that. Sometimes beggars can't be choosers when it comes to firearms.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 I'm pretty sure they practiced marksmanship just like any army teaches. In my SKS book, they mention about specific requirements for accuracy the soldier had to fufill. There aren't spray and pray weapons, but there are spray and pray people. The Sten gun really wasn't that great from what I read in reliability. I'm sure there are a lot better SMG's out there.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
Russia did not have the time or instructors to turn out excellent infantrymen. Between Joe Stalin demanding supplies and aid from the West, to forestall Russia's capitulation to Germany, (Yes, Joe Stalin used that wording)plus the numbers of Officers and other ranks which he had purged, the training of the Russian army was sorely lacking. The STEN gun killed just as efficiently as a sub-machine gun costing 10 times as much. It had issues with safety not reliability. It 's an example.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 That was WW2 though. I'm sure after WW2 they had plenty of experienced men. I imagine they learned the hard way though. Most of their money was spent on the military, so much so that they went broke and dissolved.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325
Stalin's purges had effect far beyond the conclusion of WW2, A disproportionate number of the Russian forces were conscripts. Post war records indicate that very clearly. It could also be readily ascertained in the debacle in Afghanistan, and other various "incidents" within the armed forces. Russia destroyed it's self from within, all driven by their paranoia, and deliberate propaganda generated by their government.
arriviste2020 5 months ago
@arriviste2020 And you know the bullet already has left the barrel even before the moving parts begin to cycle.
esh325 5 months ago
I've been wondering this if the stg44 or mp44 is the grandfather of assault rifles or ak so who's the father?
Pearlharbor350 5 months ago
3:10 Are those Russians using AK-47? Those where made after ww2. WTF?
reptilesgamers0 5 months ago
@reptilesgamers0 No, it's clearly a STG44.
esh325 5 months ago
@esh325 I don't see it? I see an AK-47.
reptilesgamers0 5 months ago
This program is biased, they give this bad score for being in service for only 2 years but that was becuse the germans lost the war! This would probably get a high lifespan if the Germans won the war. And I don´t like the fact that assault rifles and regular rifles are sharing this list. It makes no sense.
Nefus1988 6 months ago
@Nefus1988
if germany had won the war the military channel wouldn't exist
ShitList2010 5 months ago
@ShitList2010 It´s hard to speculate how the world would be but Hitler had no intention to takeover America, now you might wonder why Hitler started war with America that was becuse americans had breaking their neutrality very early, Roosevelt gave permission to American fighter pilots to fight for the brits, America supplied the brits with war materiel and American ships attacked german sub-marines etc.
Search on youtube: "Hitler declares war on the zionist state: USA"
Nefus1988 5 months ago
i love it how the english people pronounce the german sturmgewehr :) greetings from germany
Sn0ww1 6 months ago
@Werwolf889 Yes I agree. The AK-47 does use a long stroke piston gas system and piston attached to the operating rod, but to be honest, there are a lots of designs prior to the STG44 that used a piston attached to the operating rod design.
esh325 6 months ago
I find it highly likely that captured german scientist were a help in the developement of the AK-47, though its not a copy, the bolt, operation, safety are all different. Similar, but on the inside, no.
motlencore89 6 months ago
AK47 is copied by STG44
kakajunnmunn 6 months ago
@kakajunnmunn its the other way around, ak47 got the basic pattern from the STG44, just look at the name, the number is the year they created it.
freedomis4all 6 months ago
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ಠ_ಠ ..... the first assault rifle was the federov avtomat (1915) it had selective fire capabilities and was chambered in 6.5x50mm round and had a pistol grip another rifle called the cei rigotti(1900) also had selective fire capabilities and was chambered in 6.5x52mm round both of these came way before the stg44
jmantime 6 months ago
Ak47 and stg44 should be switched because the ak47 is a copy
Bishopx97 6 months ago
@Bishopx97 The outlne siluette platform is a copy, but the internal system is a world apart
LoneWolf051 6 months ago
you cant place this one at #9 i stoped watching this show because they mess everything up this one should atleast be 3rd
FearOps 6 months ago
Neither the Stg.44 nor the AK-47 were first. An earlier example of assault rifle is the Federov Avtomat from 1915, and I'm not sure that was the first either!
Penpendragon 6 months ago
@Penpendragon The Avtomat was the first successful assault rifle, and I do believe it was the worlds first ever assault rifle as well.
LoneWolf051 6 months ago
I checked on it, ak-47 is a different animal, BUT very very heavily influenced, so my statement is more or less true..
MrVeggie247 7 months ago
wtf is up with the egg-head
thetangledhand 7 months ago
0:14 sturmgewher 44 koff koff queer
thetangledhand 7 months ago
its strange how the stg 44 and stg 45 were/are considered part of the Nazis wonder weapon program. They were revonlutionary, but compared to what was on the drawing board....
CubbieWorld101 7 months ago
stg started it all
nejinaji 7 months ago
Why do so many people say the Avtomat Kalashnikova is a copy of the SGT-44, They share only similar external profile and AK prototypes look NOTHING like the SGT (primarily because the Ak was based of the SKS-45 which owed to older Russian automatics) the SGT fires a sorter and wider 8x33mm wheras the AK fires a 7.62x39mm. moral, Apply research before you make assumptions
MrFrostmourne1 7 months ago
imagine that the germans started using this weapon when they invented it who knows what map of eourope would look like.......
predopp 7 months ago
G36 Series: EPIC
Mauser K98K: AWESOME
G3 Series: SUPER
MP40: THE BEST
StG 44: LEGENDARY
AK47: Rip-off from the StG 44
M16: SHIT
ndcpro1998 7 months ago
@ndcpro1998 THAT'S WHY AK47 IS #1 RIGHT?AND THE M16 #2 ?
the Avtomat Kalashinikova 47 or Ak 47 is one the most revolutionary weapons ever built
sure the STG was great but no where as revolutionary and Effective as the Ak considering the fact they fire the same caliber rounds
The m16 is one of the best Assault rifles that exists with It's 3 round burst faster than any of the H&K mp5 weapon series and the really less recoil makes it better than any close combat weapon.
run00n0 7 months ago
@run00n0 God, I'm sick of these video game playing faggots that don't know anything about firearms.
The MP44 fired a 7.92x33 round, the AKM series of rifles fires a 7.62x39 M43 ball round.
Please shut the fuck up and stop pretending like you know shit, when you obviously don't.
skankuser 7 months ago
@skankuser sorry
run00n0 7 months ago
@skankuser sorry I don't know much WWII weapons but I actually own a AK-47
run00n0 7 months ago
@run00n0 No you don't. You probably own some civilian, semi-automatic only Romanian WASR-10/63 or some Chinese made MAK-90. You're full of shit on that one as well.
skankuser 7 months ago
@skankuser No I'm pretty sure I'm using Nato clip AK with a EO tech
run00n0 7 months ago
@run00n0 Pretty sure now you're just being a trolling faggot.
Do explain though what a "Nato clip AK" though.
skankuser 7 months ago
@skankuser no no no ndcpro1998 is fag
and You know soviet magazine to NATO clip conversion , select fire upgrade so it's easier use and also the rail changes
basic Ak-47 modernization
run00n0 7 months ago
@run00n0 I never say that the AK-47 was shit or any of it, but without the concept of the StG, I doubt that any of the present AUG, M16 or any "assault rifle". And we never know how the StG performs, both on stopping power and reliability, since the weapon is designed almost 70 years ago. Hitler probably burned down all the documents, including the StG's field reports, and the weapon is rarer than rare these days so we'll probably never know. And the M16 is the best? It jams like shit man.
ndcpro1998 7 months ago
@chrisrogerrabbit If the weapon did not serve its purpose then you can't say its good. However, i do agree they add in too many external factors.
beohel 7 months ago
man im not putting down any of the german weapons, in fact i like quite alot of them, i just want to finally proove that the ak is different from the stg in certain ways, its just a big arguement and i want to try and end it, and ya i hate nazis, big deal, after what they have done to my grandparents in the war i think i have the right to hate on nazi skin heads
TheRunawayjew 8 months ago
The revolutionary concept of the guns is not the only criteria for ranking them. That's why your (and my) precious Sturmgewehr 44 isn't on the top of the list. Hope that helps
TheMp44drophyd 8 months ago
Don't quite understand why such an important step forward in infantry firearms, should be a lowly 9th position. Something very odd there, one has to say! Anyone out there of the same opinion?
arriviste2020 8 months ago
How is it the #9 assault rifle it should be #1 since it was the first ever made!
hunterziegelmann 8 months ago
Wunderwaffe!!!
timjunior5 8 months ago
Hmm, figured this would be higher
Treblaine 8 months ago
@Treblaine but there are New Weapons in there like the Ak, and this gun was made in WW2.
TheFIFABoys 8 months ago
Kalashnikov doesn't like it when people compare his AK to the STG 44... Because ITS THE SAME BLOODY GUN
MrVeggie247 8 months ago 32
@MrVeggie247 : Kalashnikov has copyed Simonov's SKS and made if fullyauto and gave it a removable magzine !!
sargon08 8 months ago
@MrVeggie247 no he hates it when people compare the stg 44 to his ak because they look the same but the internals of the guns are completely different, in short, they look the same yes, but on the inside they are completely different.
TheRunawayjew 8 months ago
@TheRunawayjew Actually, he gave all the credit from his AK To the SturmGewehr44 Stupid... learn your history!!!
therealetorin 8 months ago
@therealetorin dude tell you what, go watch tales og the gun :AK-47 listen to everything comrade Kalashnikov says then tell me to learn my history
TheRunawayjew 8 months ago
@TheRunawayjew And you shut your damn mouth your just putting the STG-44 down because your a runaway jew, just like the people who make these shows couldn't accept Nazi inventions possibly being in the top of any category
therealetorin 8 months ago
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TheRunawayjew 8 months ago
@MrVeggie247 except ak47 had less recoil and alot more damage
wensp167 7 months ago
@wensp167
damage?!
gtfo video game nerd
ViPeRtEhTiGeR 7 months ago
@ViPeRtEhTiGeR trolll gtfo the internet
wensp167 7 months ago
@ViPeRtEhTiGeR oh btw faggot i said alot more damage i meant it in real life
wensp167 7 months ago
@MrVeggie247 And it was influences of M1 Garand, also.
tubveh 7 months ago
@MrVeggie247 no, cause the germans beat him to it
SuperMachinegunner 6 months ago
@MrVeggie247 um the ak-47 fires 7.62mmx39mm and the stg-44 fire 7.92mmx33mm and stg-44 had alot less recoil
joevick12345 5 months ago
@MrVeggie247 The AK-47 and the StG 44 are mechanically different. While the AK-47 is a long-stroke piston operated rifle, the StG 44 uses delayed roller action.
1JesseW 4 months ago
@1JesseW The STG44 is long stroke piston gas operated rifle just like the AK is. You're thinking of the STG45. The STG45 uses a roller delayed blowback action.
esh325 4 months ago
@esh325 You're right, my bad. :)
1JesseW 4 months ago
@esh325 You're right, my bad. :)
1JesseW 4 months ago
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rossmum 4 months ago
@rossmum The FAL is nothing like the AK. The FAL has a short stroke piston, the AK a long stroke piston attached to the operating rod like the STG44. The AK has a rotating bolt, the FAL has a tilting bolt like the STG44.
esh325 4 months ago
Yeah I'm an idiot and got that backwards, I should know better. That'll teach me to hit "post" without re-reading!
rossmum 4 months ago
Seriously though thanks for calling me on that
rossmum 4 months ago
im only looking at thhis since my friend went to the eastern front and dug up an old bolt section of a riffle and also found a gun that looks like a ak and he said this is it since he has played call of duty ww2
lkj802 8 months ago
he said stg43 but its stg44 and this is a tv show man thats bad
MrWardog1234 9 months ago
@MrWardog1234 you're an idiot
Kullg4r 8 months ago
@Kullg4r no i aint
MrWardog1234 8 months ago
@MrWardog1234 Pretty sure you are. What makes you think that a TV will have the facts right any more than anything else?
Kullg4r 8 months ago
@Kullg4r leave me alone
MrWardog1234 8 months ago
@MrWardog1234 Answer my question and I will.
Kullg4r 8 months ago
@Kullg4r i was trying 2 be funny so there
MrWardog1234 8 months ago
@MrWardog1234 Is that right?
Kullg4r 8 months ago
@Kullg4r yes now
MrWardog1234 8 months ago
Lost the war or not, Germany kicked some serious ass, no denying that.
jimmyxx3 9 months ago
the commentator skipped the "overall length" :0
c00lb0y10 9 months ago
Should be No.1. Why? Because without this...There would have been no Assault rifles for quite awhile.
kop4321 9 months ago 35
@kop4321 these are rifles in general, so no it should not be number 1
ermaslv44 6 months ago
@SuperWorldwide23 m2 carbine? alot of soldiers aparently hated it like the m16
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
should have been higher up due to its revolutionary design with out this no ak 47 no m16 and we'd still probable be using smgs and semi auto rifles
TheAlexagius 9 months ago
All of today's assault rifles are based off this.
OMGisnipedU 9 months ago
lol i love how people believe that germany is still a nazi state its called our generations do not listen in history class, they also refer to russia as the soviet union the soviet union collapsed it is russia yes both countries have a history of great guns germany has just built more advanced guns
andrewubaldi 9 months ago
AHAHAH AK-47 original i don't think so...
yoyopy 10 months ago
Am I the only one who thinks it looks like the AK 47?
SargentGunnery 10 months ago
@SargentGunnery the AK-47 design was based on the STG44 assault rifle. The only differences was the AK-47 was made in the Soviet Union, and was, in my opinion, more reliable weapon.
bebe4235 9 months ago
this is before the ak47
marcuscyj 10 months ago
It seems to me that many of the generals in the Nazi army simply didn't listen to their Fuhrer; Perhaps if they did the war would've had a different outcome.
Not that I'm pro-Hitler or anything. I'm just saying that it would be interesting to consider that.
Ebvardh 10 months ago
@Ebvardh I think the German military did well in spite of the Fuhrer, not because of him. Hitler's generals didn't listen to him because he was not a great strategist. If they had ignored him completely, they probably wouldn't have invaded Russia, which split their forces that were eventually lost to the Russian winter.
james82182 10 months ago
@james82182 Indeed, it was a very stupid move to fight against Russia.
They never learn, the Western Europeans. Stay clear of Russia!
Ebvardh 10 months ago
@james82182 thats because all Germans are fucking evil damn i fucking hate those godamned people a comment from Russia fuck all Germans
dimitboris 9 months ago
@dimitboris not all Germans are evil, stop blaming the modern Germans who have to suffer stereotypes, and have to pay for the sins of their ancestors. Stop hating! The war is over! Quit the meanness!!
bebe4235 9 months ago
@bebe4235 one more thing we russians got better weapons than those piece of shit bastard they must be nuked by the soviet union all you germans are the pests of this world that must be killed at once!!!
dimitboris 9 months ago
@bebe4235 all germans must die in order for them to be forgiven by us russians they must shed their blood first by ending their lives
dimitboris 9 months ago
@dimitboris Someone's mad because everything Germans make is fucking amazing.
German weapons, German cars, German beer. Nuff said.
CLA1RV0YANT 9 months ago
@CLA1RV0YANT germans are all bullshit fuckers they suck balls :D
dimitboris 9 months ago
@dimitboris maybe u wish that they suck balls because your a fag.
BigMek456 9 months ago
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dimitboris 9 months ago
@BigMek456 also ypu wish that your people can kiss and suck balls coz all you germans are fucktard fags you just showed how incompetent and stupid your people are :D
dimitboris 9 months ago
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Punisher7654 9 months ago
@dimitboris What can we thank germany for today? All the medical research. The v2 rocket technology. Fighter Jet technology. Lets not forget what stalin did. He killed over 50 million of his own people. The Russians were the true evil back then..
Punisher7654 9 months ago
@Punisher7654 the germans are the true evil if we are evil we could have fought you amerikans in ww1 and ww2 and invade your nation but we did not these germans are bastards pigs shits whatever they are and comrade stalin is right germans dont have the right to live in this earth
dimitboris 9 months ago
@dimitboris Oh Right, Lets see what your "comrade" would of done to you. He would of most likely put you in a soviet camp because he felt you were too much of a "threat"
Punisher7654 9 months ago