This technology would have allowed the Federation to whoop the Dominion in a matter of days in the latter war. Guess they regretted not developing it later when they suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties and saw their Fleet destroyed.
One of my fav episodes. I've always wondered with all the alien races with more advanced technology than the federation they've become friends and advanced technology like this they've had at their disposal why they didn't have an easier time defeating the Borg.
@Perion Klingon cloaks sound different from Romulan cloaks (and from this one). I too am more of a fan of the Klingon cloaking sound. It's just...cooler.
@1ownjoo2 If memory serves it was from the fact that the Romulans traded cloaking devices for some D-7 Battlecruisers, guess the Romulans didn't have big ships of their own until later. Even so I preferred the Search for Spock Cloak sound, I don't mind the Klingons and Romulans having different sounds by TNG/DS9 era, in fact that makes sense as they would have likely made adjustments to the technology on their own afterwards.
In deplomacy, it's all about the wording "forbidden from developing their own cloaking technologies", so no federation member race may develope cloaking tech, why not buy them from a nuetral party like the ferengi, i'm shure if the bought them regularly the ferengi would find ways to develope them better so as to render the ones sold obsolete, therefore enshuring the continued business with the federation. The romulans couldn't do anything about it, because they didn't break it... just bent it.
They couldn't operate them, either. The Romulans loaned the Federation a cloaking device for the Defiant, but it was only allowed to be operated under two conditions, in the Gamma quadrant, and with the Romulan officer onboard to operate it. It wasn't even a Federation cloaking device.
Of course, later seasons these rules were broken.
And Romulans are paranoid mother!#$%ers anyway. Bending the rules would enuf for them to start a war.
Well it was wishful thinking on my part...im just saying the phase cloak would have been a backup up plan...I think starfleet shortchanged Sisco by not supplying his fleet with sovereign class starships and the phase cloak. Yeah stupid odo did cure the founders after bashir cured him..his character was so annoying.
Also, it wasn't stupidity to decloak in front of the Romulans; it was foresight. Picard knew the Romulans would eventually find out one way or another. If they tried to hide it further and they found out, the Romulans would be like, "You broke the treaty, and you were preparing tools of war to use against us." Decloaking in front of them shows that they're not hiding anything, that something has happened and they want to resolve the issue as openly and cooperatively as possible.
@TheSmithersy That´s right but in that timeline they are at war with the klingons and treatys become useless...the only thing that counts in time of war is your own advantage and thats what you see in all good things...anyway good point :)
@Benjemen85 Also because the Klingons conquored the Romulan Empire in that timeline so the Federations tteaty was with a defunct state and was therefore no longer in effect
@pyr0static I have wondered this too for many years... my guess is some sort of 'matter displacement' or perhaps since they are out of phase the phase displacement has shifted all of the enterprise into a subspace layer in which the asteroid matter does not exist so thus they actually are not physically occupying the same dimensional space as the asteroid... does that make sense???
@pyr0static - True enough, but remember that this is a show where you can see a ship from the front when it's traveling faster than light speed (which, if a spaceship did in real life, would be impossible). ;)
@Glacier36 that is the federations main problem all powers around them(klingons and romulans) have their own cloaking technologie only the federation was stupid enough to sign the treaty of algeron well maybe they will produce a new series soon and they will change that fact!
@1tryingtoimprove They were probably saving this surprise as a backup if sisco and co failed...Poor dominion really didnt know who they were messing with...first their changelings were toast w section 31 virus and im sure a phase cloaked enterprise e plus a phase cloaked soveriegn/galaxy/defiant class fleet was waiting to pulverize them!
@rocco24a That sounds good although I'd think if the Federation had all that ready they could have used it against the Borg in the later movie where Picard was told to patrol the Romulan border because the Federation leaders wrongly thought he'd be easily influenced by the Borg having once been one.
They could have phased right through Borg shields.
@1tryingtoimprove - For that matter, why didn't the Borg ever assimilate and use cloaking technology? They assimilated plenty of Federation information and personnel, so they had to have known about it.
The only answer I could give if I were arguing for the other side of those issue would be to say perhaps the Borg had never assimilated any scientists who had working knowledge of how to build cloaking technology.
But that argument would have to assume that the Borg never do any research as a collective and never gain any knowledge through experimentation and it all comes, only through assimilation.
@JMcH perhaps it's more that the Borg never saw any need for a cloaking device. They tend to arrive, publicly announce their intention to assimilate everyone, and then assimilate everyone. They don't really ambush as such.
@hewhosayszonk - Think of what they could've accomplished with cloaking technology in "First Contact." They'd have made it to Earth and traveled back in time before anyone figured out what was happening. ;)
@MegaFederation Actually, if being "out of phase" with other matter caused the ship and crew not to interact with it, it's not much of a stretch for the ship not to interact with the photons bouncing off of it, either. In fact, that might be the whole principle behind the cloak (the invisibility being a side effect of being out of phase). In which case, they probably had to use some sensor trick to be able to see anything on the viewscreen.
@alfonso1501 You know section 31 is all over that.... wait a min is that Admiral in any section 31 DS9 plots..... (i think my mind just invented it but i'm not sure!)
@mockhazzard it was a new technology which this Admiral was developing called a 'Phase Cloak' which allowed you to essentially be in a parallel dimension therefore enabling you pass through solid objects as you were technically in different dimensions. When you phased out of cloak, you hoped that you were not in the middle of something solid, like the pegasus was.
@fjccommish The cloak from the Pegasus was a prototype cloak with an interphase generator built into it. That allowed the phase cloak to to change the material state of the perspective ship it is attached to into a state that can pass through objects and potentially other phenomena that the ship could not before (like the asteroid). Other species had experimented with that technology (the Romulans in a different episode, and i believe they mention the Klingons experimenting with it).
@CrimsonMystery The trick of any science fiction is to not create a technology that is overpowered. Insane overkill may be fun at times, but makes for poor story telling, as it'll get boring very fast.
So they "nerfed" the cloaking technology in ST. Only breaking that rule in Star Trek 6 (if I recall).
This is the same as they did with the rule that the Federation could not have cloaking technology, even if that were a really stupid tactical decision, as almost everybody else had it.
@AGrandt I actually liked the Undiscovered Country, the movie I was talking about in my post was actually Star Trek Nemis, the Reman ship Scimitar could also fire through cloak for no explained reason in that movie...
If the federation stripped the cloaking component out of the device and just retained the property that let the ship pass through matter it wouldn't be a violation of the treaty and would be a really powerful tool.
@Nonsensei436 That sounds like a VERY sound idea, and if perfected, would have given/would give the Federation a fairly decisive advantage over many threats.
No govt in their right mind would ever turn down such powerful technology! They speak of now of British scientists making tanks disappear! Its a shame they waited till DS9 to give the feds a cloak and only on one ship at that! Id have NEVER given up cloak as it could save so many lives if you cant be seen and avoid unessasary battles. Imagine the exploring you could do as well without being detected so you dont have to worry about borders! lol
@Niche79 I'm sorry to burst your bubble. but there's a reason the Federation are forbidden to use cloaking Devices.
At the end of the Romulan War, the treaty the established the Neutral Zone between the two superpowers also stated that the Federation would be expresly forbidden from developing their own cloaking technologies. The only reason the Defiant has a Cloakign Device was becasue it was on the EXPRESS PERMISSION from the Romulans.
@Glacier36 And they couldn't use it in the Alpha Quadrant. Although Sisko did it a few times and prayed he'd get away with it. Which, of course, he did.
@Glacier36 wrong treaty, you're talking about the neutral zone treaty, the cloak prohibition came from the treaty of Algeron sixty years before this episode took place.
Disengage the cloak right in front of the Romulans.... sure.... let's take an internal Federation matter and make it an awkward, potentially dangerous diplomatic incident. Great episode, but that last bit made no sense.
@toasteroven2001 But how then was it gravy for the defiant to have a cloak? I dont see why they wouldnt have a cloak if not for just defensive purposes and situations like this. What about the meta-phasic shields? That protect from temperature extremes. Would a cloak not be a new found necessity? ESPECIALLY a phasing cloak. That has killer applications for defense. Just think...why run from the borg when u can phase cloak out?
@Ressurrector Because this was a cloak that was developed in defiance of a treaty signed with the Romulans. The Federation was not supposed to develop cloaking technology. The Defiant had a cloak because it was provided by the Romulans.
The Federation having a cloak of any kind would have been a good excuse for the Romulans to declare war. Why decloak in front of them? They didn't know, and they didn't have to.
Sheesh, know what you're talking about before you argue.
@toasteroven2001 I wasn't aware I was arguing...I simply asked what about the cloak on the Defiant. Of course it was against star fleet regulations to have a cloak, I think I remember the Romulan thing now. (Them giving them the cloak for Defiant). I dunno why you would want to expose it to them intentionally. Picard was doing that because he was basically a dudley do right character. Kirk wouldn't have I don't think. But mainly I was just sayin how a cloak has more than offensive abilities.
made perfect sense if you realize how good Romulan Espionage networks are. 1000 people at that moment knew about the phasing cloak, you really think all 1000 will be able to keep their lips sealed amongst friends and others? The Romulan presense in that area already showed that they knew something was up, Picard doing that was more going "Yea look someone screwball did this, our bad we're going to fix it."
@toasteroven2001 - "let's take an internal Federation matter and make it an awkward, potentially dangerous diplomatic incident. Great episode, but that last bit made no sense." The idea is that you're showing the Romulans that truth is paramount, and that thus the Federation can be trusted, and thus can be a friend one day.
You mean on the Pegasus? I've always guessed that the ship was spinning slowly, listing, and when she decloaked, it was backwards with the engineering section in the rock.
Image if Borg had this tech
xsf908 2 days ago 4
Good plot.
Not that trivial combat trash in later saga.
After Gene Roddenberry, the original producer of Star Trek died, to be exact.
mrteemumilto 2 days ago
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That "trivial combat trash" took several seasons to develop.
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NerdyTerdyGang 6 days ago
@NerdyTerdyGang Season 7, episode 12: "The Pegasus"
AGrandt 5 days ago
@NerdyTerdyGang Season 7, episode 12: "The Pegasus"
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I belive this was from TNG Eppisode The Pegasus Experiment if i recall.
FLAME4564 5 days ago
Things a computer should be able to handle: 0:11
LKBM 1 week ago
"We will reach the rock face in 5 seconds."
(10 seconds later, they reach the rock face. Stupid editors.)
JMcH 3 weeks ago
I want a cloaking device for my car man. DECLOAK AND FIRE, AHAHAH!
wilde1 3 weeks ago
This technology would have allowed the Federation to whoop the Dominion in a matter of days in the latter war. Guess they regretted not developing it later when they suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties and saw their Fleet destroyed.
BloodofPatriots 3 weeks ago
What the fuck is John Locke doing on the Enterprise!!!!
Ralastar 1 month ago
One of my fav episodes. I've always wondered with all the alien races with more advanced technology than the federation they've become friends and advanced technology like this they've had at their disposal why they didn't have an easier time defeating the Borg.
andyt1313 1 month ago
oh thats how the island dissappeared
AliTubelog 1 month ago
Is it a cloaking device or an oscillation overthruster?
kdreibel 1 month ago
I always preferred the sound of the cloak in Search for Spock, sounded downright menacing.
Perion 1 month ago
@Perion Klingon cloaks sound different from Romulan cloaks (and from this one). I too am more of a fan of the Klingon cloaking sound. It's just...cooler.
Azdgari1 1 month ago
@Azdgari1 I dunno every time I hear them cloak in DS9/TNG they always sound the same as Romulan ones.
Perion 1 month ago
@Perion
The Romulans gave the Klingons cloaking tech... or was it that the klingons stole it from them... this was a very long time ago of course.
1ownjoo2 1 month ago
@1ownjoo2 If memory serves it was from the fact that the Romulans traded cloaking devices for some D-7 Battlecruisers, guess the Romulans didn't have big ships of their own until later. Even so I preferred the Search for Spock Cloak sound, I don't mind the Klingons and Romulans having different sounds by TNG/DS9 era, in fact that makes sense as they would have likely made adjustments to the technology on their own afterwards.
Perion 1 month ago
In deplomacy, it's all about the wording "forbidden from developing their own cloaking technologies", so no federation member race may develope cloaking tech, why not buy them from a nuetral party like the ferengi, i'm shure if the bought them regularly the ferengi would find ways to develope them better so as to render the ones sold obsolete, therefore enshuring the continued business with the federation. The romulans couldn't do anything about it, because they didn't break it... just bent it.
theBEARDEDcanuck 2 months ago
@theBEARDEDcanuck
They couldn't operate them, either. The Romulans loaned the Federation a cloaking device for the Defiant, but it was only allowed to be operated under two conditions, in the Gamma quadrant, and with the Romulan officer onboard to operate it. It wasn't even a Federation cloaking device.
Of course, later seasons these rules were broken.
And Romulans are paranoid mother!#$%ers anyway. Bending the rules would enuf for them to start a war.
Draknfyre 1 month ago
who ever agrees to not develop cloaking technology is retarded. The whole alpha Q has it except federation
spike378 2 months ago
DS9 used the cloaking device
altha2008 2 months ago
They should have de-clocked behind the warbird and then opened fire.
Q3hero 2 months ago
@Q3hero oh god not TV Picard he'd never do that. now, movie Picard? he'd break down crying then open fire with every weapon then ram them.
kranktank 2 months ago
Well it was wishful thinking on my part...im just saying the phase cloak would have been a backup up plan...I think starfleet shortchanged Sisco by not supplying his fleet with sovereign class starships and the phase cloak. Yeah stupid odo did cure the founders after bashir cured him..his character was so annoying.
rocco24a 2 months ago
Also, it wasn't stupidity to decloak in front of the Romulans; it was foresight. Picard knew the Romulans would eventually find out one way or another. If they tried to hide it further and they found out, the Romulans would be like, "You broke the treaty, and you were preparing tools of war to use against us." Decloaking in front of them shows that they're not hiding anything, that something has happened and they want to resolve the issue as openly and cooperatively as possible.
eamonnwalker 3 months ago
@TheSmithersy That´s right but in that timeline they are at war with the klingons and treatys become useless...the only thing that counts in time of war is your own advantage and thats what you see in all good things...anyway good point :)
Benjemen85 3 months ago
@Benjemen85 Also because the Klingons conquored the Romulan Empire in that timeline so the Federations tteaty was with a defunct state and was therefore no longer in effect
TeknomanScimitar 2 months ago
How come the space inside the ship doesn't appear to be full of rock?
pyr0static 3 months ago
@pyr0static I have wondered this too for many years... my guess is some sort of 'matter displacement' or perhaps since they are out of phase the phase displacement has shifted all of the enterprise into a subspace layer in which the asteroid matter does not exist so thus they actually are not physically occupying the same dimensional space as the asteroid... does that make sense???
bgdrewsif 3 months ago
@bgdrewsif - Nope. They just didn't have enough money.
JMcH 3 weeks ago
@JMcH LOL, I still like my explanation more...
bgdrewsif 3 weeks ago
@pyr0static - Because it's too damn hard to produce such an effect convincingly on a TV budget.
JMcH 3 weeks ago
@JMcH Actually since there would be no light penetration, the most accurate render would be a black screen until they cleared it. :P
pyr0static 3 weeks ago
@pyr0static - True enough, but remember that this is a show where you can see a ship from the front when it's traveling faster than light speed (which, if a spaceship did in real life, would be impossible). ;)
JMcH 3 weeks ago
@Glacier36 that is the federations main problem all powers around them(klingons and romulans) have their own cloaking technologie only the federation was stupid enough to sign the treaty of algeron well maybe they will produce a new series soon and they will change that fact!
Benjemen85 3 months ago
@Benjemen85: But then if you see in the episode All Good Things..., the Federation eventually do get cloaking devices.
TheSmithersy 3 months ago
@TheSmithersy - Probably because of the new coziness with the Romulans after the last TNG movie.
JMcH 3 weeks ago
@TheSmithersy - Oops. I was wrong. It's because in that alternate future, the Klingons had defeated the Romulans.
JMcH 3 weeks ago
0:52 When the cloaking device powers up, Data is like, "Holy shit!"
Amar7605 3 months ago
the Enterprise in the original seires once used a cloaking device
Alex2424121 4 months ago
Captain: "As Captain, I'm placing you under arrest."
Hah haaa!--Oh, wait... :| Riker!? Oh...
GraysonPeddie 4 months ago
Why didn't they use this technology against the Borg and against the Dominion?
1tryingtoimprove 4 months ago
@1tryingtoimprove They were probably saving this surprise as a backup if sisco and co failed...Poor dominion really didnt know who they were messing with...first their changelings were toast w section 31 virus and im sure a phase cloaked enterprise e plus a phase cloaked soveriegn/galaxy/defiant class fleet was waiting to pulverize them!
rocco24a 2 months ago
@rocco24a That sounds good although I'd think if the Federation had all that ready they could have used it against the Borg in the later movie where Picard was told to patrol the Romulan border because the Federation leaders wrongly thought he'd be easily influenced by the Borg having once been one.
They could have phased right through Borg shields.
Didn't Odo cure the founders of that disease?
1tryingtoimprove 2 months ago
@1tryingtoimprove - For that matter, why didn't the Borg ever assimilate and use cloaking technology? They assimilated plenty of Federation information and personnel, so they had to have known about it.
JMcH 3 weeks ago
@JMcH That is an excellent point.
The only answer I could give if I were arguing for the other side of those issue would be to say perhaps the Borg had never assimilated any scientists who had working knowledge of how to build cloaking technology.
But that argument would have to assume that the Borg never do any research as a collective and never gain any knowledge through experimentation and it all comes, only through assimilation.
1tryingtoimprove 3 weeks ago
@JMcH perhaps it's more that the Borg never saw any need for a cloaking device. They tend to arrive, publicly announce their intention to assimilate everyone, and then assimilate everyone. They don't really ambush as such.
hewhosayszonk 1 week ago
@hewhosayszonk - Think of what they could've accomplished with cloaking technology in "First Contact." They'd have made it to Earth and traveled back in time before anyone figured out what was happening. ;)
JMcH 1 week ago
Thank you!
ttow1944 4 months ago
Shouldn't the Enterprise be filled with solid rock instead of showing up only on the view screen?
MegaFederation 4 months ago
@MegaFederation Don't ask too many questions.
aluisious 3 months ago
@MegaFederation Actually, if being "out of phase" with other matter caused the ship and crew not to interact with it, it's not much of a stretch for the ship not to interact with the photons bouncing off of it, either. In fact, that might be the whole principle behind the cloak (the invisibility being a side effect of being out of phase). In which case, they probably had to use some sensor trick to be able to see anything on the viewscreen.
eamonnwalker 3 months ago
@eamonnwalker - Nah. The effects people were lazy and had only a limited budget to work with.
JMcH 3 weeks ago
Xhepos from the yogscast
bilytion 4 months ago
what episode is this?
MORPHIOUS1011 4 months ago
@MORPHIOUS1011 7x12 "The Pegasus"
Hookan91 4 months ago
I guess now that Romanlus is blown up we can have cloaked ships in Trek.
shadowedge69 4 months ago
was the treaty of alderan signed before or after it's destruction? xD
ODOMAN123 4 months ago
Romulans are all like "WHAT THE FUCK HOLY SHIT!!"
BULLSHIT1173 5 months ago 12
John Locke!\
Odbarc 5 months ago
Section 31 would take care of that cloaking device...
alfonso1501 5 months ago
@alfonso1501 You know section 31 is all over that.... wait a min is that Admiral in any section 31 DS9 plots..... (i think my mind just invented it but i'm not sure!)
CmdrTobs 4 months ago
what?! since when did cloak allow you to pass through solid rock?
mockhazzard 6 months ago
@mockhazzard this one does, look the episode and you will understand...
SirTydus1992 6 months ago
@mockhazzard it was a new technology which this Admiral was developing called a 'Phase Cloak' which allowed you to essentially be in a parallel dimension therefore enabling you pass through solid objects as you were technically in different dimensions. When you phased out of cloak, you hoped that you were not in the middle of something solid, like the pegasus was.
TownElder 4 months ago
I thought cloaks made the ships invisible, not invulnerable.
fjccommish 7 months ago
@fjccommish The cloak from the Pegasus was a prototype cloak with an interphase generator built into it. That allowed the phase cloak to to change the material state of the perspective ship it is attached to into a state that can pass through objects and potentially other phenomena that the ship could not before (like the asteroid). Other species had experimented with that technology (the Romulans in a different episode, and i believe they mention the Klingons experimenting with it).
DMarrs09 7 months ago
@DMarrs09 Thanks for the explanation. It was worthy of a Vulcan science officer I once knew.
fjccommish 7 months ago
@syg068 You can't use hyperdrive and a cloaking device at the same time. Stick this
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alexthetrekkie111 7 months ago
@alexthetrekkie111 just like you cant fire while cloaked. Unless you speak Shakespeare :P
johnkerry7 5 months ago 19
@johnkerry7 Or make a franchise killing movie...
CrimsonMystery 1 week ago
@CrimsonMystery The trick of any science fiction is to not create a technology that is overpowered. Insane overkill may be fun at times, but makes for poor story telling, as it'll get boring very fast.
So they "nerfed" the cloaking technology in ST. Only breaking that rule in Star Trek 6 (if I recall).
This is the same as they did with the rule that the Federation could not have cloaking technology, even if that were a really stupid tactical decision, as almost everybody else had it.
AGrandt 5 days ago
@AGrandt I actually liked the Undiscovered Country, the movie I was talking about in my post was actually Star Trek Nemis, the Reman ship Scimitar could also fire through cloak for no explained reason in that movie...
CrimsonMystery 4 days ago
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alexthetrekkie111 7 months ago
Locke! Get back to the island damn you!
bdcollecter 7 months ago
If the federation stripped the cloaking component out of the device and just retained the property that let the ship pass through matter it wouldn't be a violation of the treaty and would be a really powerful tool.
Nonsensei436 9 months ago
@Nonsensei436 That sounds like a VERY sound idea, and if perfected, would have given/would give the Federation a fairly decisive advantage over many threats.
wildside316 8 months ago
No govt in their right mind would ever turn down such powerful technology! They speak of now of British scientists making tanks disappear! Its a shame they waited till DS9 to give the feds a cloak and only on one ship at that! Id have NEVER given up cloak as it could save so many lives if you cant be seen and avoid unessasary battles. Imagine the exploring you could do as well without being detected so you dont have to worry about borders! lol
Niche79 1 year ago
@Niche79 I'm sorry to burst your bubble. but there's a reason the Federation are forbidden to use cloaking Devices.
At the end of the Romulan War, the treaty the established the Neutral Zone between the two superpowers also stated that the Federation would be expresly forbidden from developing their own cloaking technologies. The only reason the Defiant has a Cloakign Device was becasue it was on the EXPRESS PERMISSION from the Romulans.
Glacier36 1 year ago 30
@Glacier36 Maybe the Romulans allowed the Defiant to carry a cloaking device BECAUSE of it's use here.
BADALASS 9 months ago
@Glacier36 And they couldn't use it in the Alpha Quadrant. Although Sisko did it a few times and prayed he'd get away with it. Which, of course, he did.
heymrk 7 months ago
@Glacier36 It was a bad treaty. The Federation should never have signed it.
Sodiumreactor 4 months ago
@Sodiumreactor I believe the Federation agreed to that stipulation at the time was because to show the Romulans how serious they were about peace.
ejungleska 3 months ago
@Glacier36 wrong treaty, you're talking about the neutral zone treaty, the cloak prohibition came from the treaty of Algeron sixty years before this episode took place.
TeknomanScimitar 2 months ago
@TeknomanScimitar I apologize, I was under the belief it was the Neutral Zone Treaty that established the restrictions. Thank you for correcting me.
Glacier36 2 months ago
Man, the enterprise cloaking is just.....well.....awesome.
gornhorror 1 year ago 2
Disengage the cloak right in front of the Romulans.... sure.... let's take an internal Federation matter and make it an awkward, potentially dangerous diplomatic incident. Great episode, but that last bit made no sense.
toasteroven2001 1 year ago
@toasteroven2001 But how then was it gravy for the defiant to have a cloak? I dont see why they wouldnt have a cloak if not for just defensive purposes and situations like this. What about the meta-phasic shields? That protect from temperature extremes. Would a cloak not be a new found necessity? ESPECIALLY a phasing cloak. That has killer applications for defense. Just think...why run from the borg when u can phase cloak out?
Ressurrector 1 year ago
@Ressurrector Because this was a cloak that was developed in defiance of a treaty signed with the Romulans. The Federation was not supposed to develop cloaking technology. The Defiant had a cloak because it was provided by the Romulans.
The Federation having a cloak of any kind would have been a good excuse for the Romulans to declare war. Why decloak in front of them? They didn't know, and they didn't have to.
Sheesh, know what you're talking about before you argue.
toasteroven2001 1 year ago
@toasteroven2001 I wasn't aware I was arguing...I simply asked what about the cloak on the Defiant. Of course it was against star fleet regulations to have a cloak, I think I remember the Romulan thing now. (Them giving them the cloak for Defiant). I dunno why you would want to expose it to them intentionally. Picard was doing that because he was basically a dudley do right character. Kirk wouldn't have I don't think. But mainly I was just sayin how a cloak has more than offensive abilities.
Ressurrector 1 year ago
@toasteroven2001
made perfect sense if you realize how good Romulan Espionage networks are. 1000 people at that moment knew about the phasing cloak, you really think all 1000 will be able to keep their lips sealed amongst friends and others? The Romulan presense in that area already showed that they knew something was up, Picard doing that was more going "Yea look someone screwball did this, our bad we're going to fix it."
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@toasteroven2001 - "let's take an internal Federation matter and make it an awkward, potentially dangerous diplomatic incident. Great episode, but that last bit made no sense." The idea is that you're showing the Romulans that truth is paramount, and that thus the Federation can be trusted, and thus can be a friend one day.
NameCallingIsWeak 9 months ago
OMG, I was going to watch this episode soon! YOU'VE RUINED IT FOR ME!! DX
Ben10Joshua 1 year ago
I was looking for this video . . . Thanks.
Imagine what story lines could have been generated if the Federation could have continued to use the cloaking device.
MegaCubic 2 years ago
only part about this scene that bugs me is the fact that no rock passed through the bridge
ibreakkidslegs 2 years ago
You mean on the Pegasus? I've always guessed that the ship was spinning slowly, listing, and when she decloaked, it was backwards with the engineering section in the rock.
MrPsychic8472 2 years ago
no i mean when the enterprise went through the rock... they were all standing on the bridge like O_O and nothing passed through the bridge
ibreakkidslegs 2 years ago
I'm guessing it was just too expensive to do a special effect for it, and would have been kinda weird.
MrPsychic8472 2 years ago
nice
brownprider100 2 years ago 4
thanks..
astorm13298 2 years ago
so lost...
st4nd4u 2 years ago
if your not a star trek fan you would be lost... lol .
astorm13298 2 years ago 19