@MrVerzGTP Pretty bold statement considering. Ok. I will play with the grand prix crowd once again. Supercharged cars don't lose power @ 6,000rpm? When did I say that? If you are dealing with a centrifugal than no, they do not btw, but in owning a grand prix I'm sure you think the only supercharger that matters is a roots style charger lol. Gtps are notorious for losing top end fast, not just because of the supercharger, but the gear ratio and the 4 speed auto its attached to.
even with a perfect launch theres no way this car would hit 60 in under 5 seconds...if you even said 6 seconds id still have trouble believing it..even with a supercharger the 4 speed auto trannys in these cant put the power to the ground..and even if you can its not worth the money, time or effort to tune these cars.
Damn that car is quick. I got a 99 se 3.8 and it will smoke most other 4 doors and it is close to stock. I could imagine what you could do with that. Nice video. Keep them coming.
the fun part is once you hit 20+ lbs of boost.. then there is pretty much no correction... its what makes those turbo cars that are stock at nearly 20psi so great in high elevations.. (32 generally is 0 correction but 20+ is almost none)
its basically creating atmospheric pressure by running boost, so the elevation doesn't have as much effect on it.. like you said, the 12psi pulley would only give you like 9 or 10psi.. but still reduces by nearly 1/2 the correction you would get otherwise.
you keep saying that but you fail to understand the concept of timing and not racing with a speedometer vid... you don't actually race so what else do you have right?
Haha bharsen, the GP in this video would wipe the road with your GTO. This video was taken at 6,000 feet ABOVE sea level and it still moves just as fast as your GTO does at seal level. My GTP would also hand you your ass, from a dig or roll. I have already beaten a couple 09 dodge challengers, which are just as fast as your GTO. I pulled 3-4 cars on them. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, so shut your cocksucker, you french fried faggot.
just because you can make up stories doesn't help your case there kiddo.... you can say you rape F16's for all i care but your rap sheet and lack of proof is all I need to know you are full of shit lol
your car is slow and your excuse for everything is elevation and a mouth of a 4 year old... grow up and learn to back up your wigger mouth with facts tough guy XD
you have made up enough information for about 300 4 year olds... and have about the same mentality... get over yourself and stop spewing out false information, pricing and specs... because they are all wrong
and it's good to know that a car can be a at sea livel... what is that brethren to a sea lion?
So because i keep proving your sorry ass wrong, you tell me that i'm making everything up without any evidence of your own to back it up? lol you are one pathetic piece of monkey shit. I paid $300 for my cam shaft, which uses all stock valvetrain parts, and i put it in myself. All you do is dig your own hole only to fall into them a few comments later, douche bag.
a cam is at the very least 600 dollars not including installation and tuning.... even a GTP owner agreed with me there but yet you still want to act like a child and cry to the crib
do yourself a favor, stop making figures up, speedo E-racing on the internet and running your mouth and try actually racing once in awhile... because I know you don't considering all you have is a speedometer video starting from a roll because you know your car is shit from a stop
LOL my car is shit from a stop?? Do you even know anything about roots style blowers? Low end torque is their specialty you fuckin idiot. Who the hell had filled your head with so much BS? Once again my cam was $300, and i put it in MYSELF! It's a baby cam and It uses a 100% stock valvetrain moron. Not like you wosuld know that anyway.
you haven't even been to the track to know what you car does in the first place... which is mid 13's if you're lucky
you are a child amongst men when it comes to cars actually worth racing and coming to the table with a brain and some facts to argue with
and might I also say you are still screaming like a little boy about how a supercharged car with thousands of dollars put into it can "keep up" with a bone stock car... which is funny to me XD
your cars are 13 second cars at the track... look at drag times it's kind of hard to argue statistics with speedo vids gentlemen XD
there are 7 pages of times for grand prix GTP's.... pages 3-4-5 are all 13 second passes... 6 and 7 are 14 second passes and only on the 1st and 2nd pages do GTP's start running 12's
GTP's can't hold a candle to cars that were designed to go fast stock without a large wallet... that is fact, sorry to rain on your parade
next time might I suggest you not invest thousands of dollars into a slow car and try and compare it to a stock vehicles performance... it just makes you look like an idiot and it's nothing to brag about XD
400 dollars makies my car go from low 13's to high 12's... 400 dollars makes your car go from high 14's to mid 14's
I rest my case... should of bought a civic, those poor bastards love to argue horsepower per dollar when it doesn't matter in the slightest
Haha no, 400 dollars makes our cars go from high 14's to high 13's. It's always better to BLOWN mod wise. I think you forgot that i'm buying a GTO here very shortly too. You act as if i hate them. You're a fucking douche whistle who doesn't know his ass from a manhole cover.
in your other video's you have aid you have never been to the track.... and continue to say that with "SLICKS" and 12PSI you should be a 12.8-12.9 car.... and you say your street tire 12PSI setup would embarrass my 12.7@106MPH GTO with just a CAI and a tune?
last I checked 22 year old inbreds don't have 4 cars all newer than yours and would make it look like a POS... your car is just another laughing stock pile to add to the youtube list of people who have no conception of racing, modding or automobiles
well, I mean you ARE modding a FWD car for drag racing.... so that in itself tells most you are the idiot here
You know, about 6 months ago I commented your video against those Mustangs saying nice job, and go GM. Giving you props. I love GTO's always have. I don't know why you are talking shit to me...I didn't instigate any fights or say anything rude to you.
But it's whatever man. I know what I like, and I could care less if you don't.
I only talk shit to those that talk shit to me... when you and V3 started thinking GTP can keep up with F16 with said money put into them and started quoting bogus times, horsepower numbers, pricing and the lot.
you just have to sit down and ask yourself if ZZP performance and a ASE certified master tech knows what they are talking about... because most of my info is pulled off of ZZP performance itself... the same company you guys glorify
I do love ZZP. They have a Twin Turbo GP GT that runs 8.65 @ 158MPH...on a stock crankshaft. It's right there on the site, now I think thats really cool. If you don't that's fine, but I know what kind of cars I like. Yours and mine being two of them. If you don't like mine then just get off my videos...
I went to yours 1 year ago because I love GM and GTO's, not because I wanted to talk shit.
ZZP also states the stock tranny will only hold the amount of power/PSI I specified... but you saiud that was false information and that I'm an inbred, and that I have a small penis, and that I'm clueless, and I'm an idiot
last I checked all I did was quote times, numbers and problems that will go wrong with your car as certain mods will be added
now who is talking shit to whom?
go ahead, review... I'll wait
moral? I talk cars while other people run their mouths
ONCE AGAIN. If these cars are so slow, why did this one reach 70 in the exact time it took your GTO to reach 70? This is at 6,000 feet too. But wait, our cars ''arn't shit from a stop'' lol how many times are you gonna ignore this comment you fucking inbred douche rocket?
I iignore it because comparing speedo's online is pointless and many factors tie into the acceleration of a vehicle... downhill slopes, uphill slopes, temperature... then again I'm not expecting someone as clueless as you to understand that either
keep being the bottom feeder of the performance word... it suits you well
on street tires my 0-60 is a solid high 4 second pass... on drag radials it get's knocked down a good half a second
if GTP's are known for having shitty top end but awesome low end and LSX engines are known for their top end... I'll let you figure that one out mister E racer online XD
and actually... since you keep on pushing pointless information I actually did compare my cars 0-60 to this ones.... my 0-60 is a full second faster... this car does it in 6, mine pulls closer to 5
because if you did it you would spin even worse than what you did... the fact this FWD platform has to be peddled is the same reason why it's a slob from a stop
on drag radials I can rev on the stock stall and then hit the floor on green with nothing but a peep from the rear tires... making ALL WHP & torque available from 0MPH, peddling and spinning disregards any numbers you are making to the wheels
Are you fucking braindead? His 0-60 was exactly 5 seconds too, dipshit. He takes off at 3 seconds and hits 60 at 8 seconds. You do the math genius. His 0 to 70 was 6 seconds. So again, JUST as quick as your GTO except this was done at 6,000 feet DA lol.
And no, you said 12.9 the first time you lying sack of monkey shit.
I also see that you found out that i really did only pay $300 for my cam, lol hence why you didn't comment on that. And if you didn't...go look on ZZP and tell me how much a ''VS CAM'' cost, then get back to me dumbass. Since you ''claim'' to get all your facts about GTP's from there.
$314 NOT INCLUDING pushrods, valvesprings and retainers.... and I know for a fact someone as clueless as you wouldn't be able to install a cam himself so you can stop that story right now
half of the things I don't comment that you say because you say too much BS for the most part... nobody in their right mind would be able to sit here and take EVERYTHING you say seriously and argue it lol
The VS cam DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY VALVETRAIN MODS you fucking idiot. Did you read the entire description of that cam, sped? I doubt it. Theonly exta money i had to spend with that cam was a $50 install kit that cam with gaskets, timing chain dampener, and coolant o-rings. Juts admit that you don't know jack shit about my car and i will shut up, sped.
if the VS cam doesn't require any valvetrain mods then it's a POS cam that isn't gaining you any power... a real cam would cause valve float on the stopck setup
and good luck on the GTO if all you can afford is a half assed cam and a wrong wheel drive car that you can't afford to mod anymore XD
I on the other hand am selling my GTO for a dodge... that of a V10 variety to sit next to my porsche
The GTO is the exact same price as i paid for my GTP in 2005 you fucking retard. You really think you drive such an expensive car??? lmao. I already told you that the VS cam was just a baby cam too you illiterate fuck. It still adds 35-50 HP, that's not bad at all. Not like you would know any of this anyway. Good luck with your make believe Viper and Porsche lol.
a cam adding 35-50BHP? are you serious? you actually think this is a good gain?
a simple dyno tune netted me a 25RWHP... you have a lot to learn son... A LOT
never said I drove an expensive car, I said I drove a faster car... if both cars were the same exact price and the GTO is 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 I really don't know what else you have to argue with lol
Why the fuck do you keep comparing a stock GTP to a stock GTO you retard. Do you think that i don't know that the GTO would rape a stock GTP?
I modded my car because i love to see the look on people's faces (especially idiots like you) when my family grocery getter rapes their V-8 sports/muscle car.
I have beat GTO's before you bird brain, what makes yours so special? Maybe if you actually new how to mod a car it might be special. I think you're just ''special'' though.
I am older than you are KID. And i am much bigger and much stronger than you are too. Not like you would have the balls to say any of this shit to me in person anyway lol. Why don't you bring your GTO hear is you're so rich and can aford such an EXPENSIVE car like your GTO lol.
so you fail at the car discussion and going back into wigger E-thug mode?
lol, cool I guess
you aren't 6'9", it doesn't take genius to see that from your crappy walk around vid
and looking at your rapsheet on youtube it seems absolutel NOBODY likes you and you get repeated comments stating exactly what I say to you... imagine that?
empty threats and BS over the internet without even an adress to back up what you babble on about... that is what you are, hope you like it XD
Do you want to see a fucking picture of me standing next to other people you dipshit? I am too 6'9'' and you're obviously just JEALOUS because you are about 5'7'' 130 lbs with a 3 inch pecker. You can't tell shit from my walk arohnd video you blind as a bat retard.
no, I don't want to see a picture.. because by your mouth breather voice and want to prove yourself online you are probably trying to get in my pants... lol
god I feel sorry for you, to think there were people so emotionally distraught
Aww i'm offering to prove to you that i really am as big as i say i am, but you refuse to let me? lmao you're just as fucking retarded as i thought you were. This right here proves it.
I'm trying to get in your pants by showing you a pic of my massive body that you don't believe exists? LOL what a sorry little homophobic hobbit you are.
make a video of just hardcore you are man... so I can laugh at it along with the rest of youtube XD
the only thing that's sorry here is you calling yourself "massive" when 250 lbs is considered average weight for a 6'9" person and trying to prove yourself over the internet
you get so upset and try to prove how big and tall you are... when all I can do is laugh, don';t you understand you are pretty much an internet comedy right now over at the AUTOMOTIVE forum I moderate?
It's not my fault you are jealous of my size. Then you try to make it seem like i'm ''trying to get in your pants'' when i offer to prove you wrong. What a pansy.
even if you did you would still look like a weak insecure person with no brain.
in the end you are full of empty threats, 4 year old names, nothing to back up what you say and not even an address to confirm where "coming over here" is
at the end of the day all of that put together makes you the pussy, no matter how much you would like to say against it
Lol this GP the grand prix went 0 to 60 in 5 seconds flat, exactly like your GTO. What is so hard to comprehend about that? The fact that this video was taken at 6,000 feet just makes your car seem all the more slower.
you keep repeating that... only it was 0-60 in 6 seconds (according to the video which in itself should be neglected due to timing differences in video and all that good electronic stuff, uphill, downhill, weather, temp etc etc etc)
and 6,000ft means nothing when you are running FI and comparing it to a N/A car lol
5 SECONDS!!! NOT 6 SECONDS....do you know how to count??? He takes off at 3 seconds and hits 60 at 8 seconds!! You are a complete retard, wow...just wow...
And what the hell would FI have to do with how thin the air is you moron? Each car would get the same air. The SC wouldn;t spinning any faster to make up for the lack of air molecules. Once again, you're a retard.
I don't think the owner of this GP was really seeing 12 psi either. I think it was more like 9 or 10. He said that awhile back and that would seem more likely.
if you go to the NHRA website it says under tech_specss/altitude that s/c and turbo'd cars only get 1/2 correction.. they konw what they are talking about if you dont believe me. i was pointing out that really it depends on how much boost you are running.
How many times do i need to own your ignorant ass? You might as well just grab a shovel. You know nothing about automobiles or how to mod them. And where's your video of your GTO running the ''12.7'' that you already told me was 12.9 once before lol. You fucking jacking ass.
why are you concerned about what his car runs? The only thing that matters is what you run.. there is always someone faster out there. this guy runs 14.4.. i have a buddy that runs at the same track.. 13.5 in a cheap old dart n/a :)
I already told you it was 12.7 @ 106MPH with mickey thompsons, it's been that way since the beginning of racing season this year
and like mishre said... you aren't really owning anything, you are avoiding comments and just gloating when in reality you just left80 discussions unanswered because you don't know how to answer them lol
The A4's are actually the ones that usually run the better times. And his is an M6 too with a dyno tune he claims, so he should be trapping over 110 easily.
Where did you even say that you were an A4?? I just looked at your video again and you are in fact an A4, but like it matters anyway. You're still underestimating my car big time because you have NO knowledge about them whatsoever.
you keep saying I have no knowledge about your car when you're the one that knows squat about mine XD
and I hate to break it to you buddy but I knw enough to put you oout to dry where all you can say is "YOU KNOW NOTHING!" but not tell me any "knowledge" of your own because I already spelled it out for you
now that the discussion is taking the attention of people that know what they are talking about look at where you are.... cornered with nothing to give
@bharsen Wow I had forgotten just how fucking STUPID you really are. The above statement will prove this. So supercharged cars don't lose power at 6,000 ft now? LOL! You sir are a fucking moron. You should be driving a fucking Honda you fucking ricer.
porsches are bitch cars, you talk shit on gtp's because you have a gto? i really hope you know that gto's are over rated and have no balls until 3rd gear. your car is a joke i'll whoop it's ass with easy bolts on my sentra 1.8 lol
porsches are one of the most well balanced and put together sportcars on the road today.. the 911 still outperforms every car in it's class all the wy up the latter to the 911 turbo. but you wouldn't know anything about that in you'r 15-16 second sentra would you?
no friend, I hate to tell you but your sentra is cannon fodder for even regular 3800 SE grand prix's
P.S. no balls until third gear... A.K.A 0-60 in under 5 seconds on street tires
go back to pretending you know about cars XD
why do I always attract the clueless slow ricer mentality children in debates? it would be nice to sit down and talk with someone who knows SOMETHING about automobiles
is that all you can say after I walked another GTP owner through the complete modding process and problems/weak points he will encounter on his setup?
people like you are funny, because you claim people don't know anything when you bring nothing to the table yourself... all it is is made up figures thrown out there to try and make you feel better that you spend thousands of dollars to still be slower than a stock car
gto's are a joke is more like it, take it stock for stock against any car in it's price range thats classed as a sports car and watch it get fucked up.
Your making fun of a car thats good for 170MPH stock while your driving a Sentra..... When you compare a GTO you compare it to a M3, Porsche 911 Carrera, and a Terminator are all even and the GTO is cheapest. Get your facts right.
I hold true to my offer. Lets see that Sentra get to 140....... Or is it unsafe to go over 100?
forget for a moment I bought my LS2 GTO for 19K and ran low 13's out of the box and high 12's with 400 bucks invested let's compare MSRP's and 1/4 times to this brilliant comment 2006 GTO $31,250 @ high 12's-low 13's 2004 BMW M3 $47,100 @ mid 13's 2004 porsche 911 carrera $68,600 @ low-mid 13's 2008 porsche cayman S $51,100 @ low-mid 13's 2006 350Z $28,000 @ high 13's-low 14's all of the SRT8 lineup from dodge costs 5K more for the same performance
Hahah watch out we have a magazine racer on our hands! :D you ever go to the track yourself bud? :D if you read the mags when they get the pro driver behind the wheel its upper 12s in the LS2 GTO magazine drivers suck horribly, about as bad as a guys first time at the track.
yuuup, a flawless run will yield high 12's and some drivers have seen on the upwards of 109MPH traps out of a bone stock M6 LS2... mostly on average I would quote them as low 13 second cars trapping around 105MPH
if you are saying LS2 GTO's run 14's you really need to kill yourself because I ran a 13.3 @ 104 bone stock as my first pass in the car after owning it for about 2 weeks
that being said this is why you guys will never win... you say something that is totally wrong, then roll the facts into something else and take the fact you are clueless in the first place and sweep it under the carpet with a BS statement that has no merit in the original topic at hand
I never race at that track. I was on vacation and took a roadtrip out there to see some family. Happened to be in the Vancouver area and stopped by for a Test and Tune night. I'm pretty sure my best ET was a 13.3 on 10 pounds of boost.
I always race at Bandimere. So racing anywhere else would be throwing false times out in the public, which I don't wanna do.
I looked at my work schedule just now. Took off March 16th - April 2nd. We must have gone late March or something because it was a full 1/4. We took like 5-6 cars down there and we all raced until it got rained out.
I'm not saying that my or your car is a rocket ship. I'm just saying man, GTP's can be quick with some mods and can hang with bigger V8's.
It's just facts dude. There is nothing astonishing/stupid/make believe/false/retarded about a GTP being able to run hard...just like any other car. If you think that your car is superior to every GTP, then by all means, be my guest. I don't walk around saying I can beat every GTO because simply, I can't beat every GTO. Much like you cant beat every GTP.
I moderate a mustang forums and I still call my GTO slow in the street and strip section... there are 3.73 basic bolt on S197's that run mid-high 12's all motor and make my GTO look like a bag of tools... so I don't know where you are getting this picture of me
there is a fine boundary of a GTP being able to run hard with little money... and that usually ends in 13's... with tons of cash ready to replace everything by all means... have at 12's
However, I think you said you spent 21k on the car? Something in that price range if I recall...
Anyway, I bought my car for about 6500 bucks and put maybe another 3500 into it. (For the current setup, not the 13.3)
So, in reality, you have spent twice the money I have to run slightly quicker than me. Not saying you wasted money, cause granted, 12's is a damn good time for a street car, but not everyone wants a GTO, people have different tastes...
I find it funny how you have to research the PIR 2009 schedule to confirm my 13.3...
All I remember is that it was the 2nd Late Night Drags of the year.Whenever the fuck that was. I didn't go to Oregon to race, I went to see family. Sorry I don't remember exact dates so you can confirm that my car can hang with yours.
I find it funny you went in April and ran a low 13 on an 1/8 mile track... then you went in March.
but never decided to mention that you ran this sea level time before this debate... this also rolled off of the statement LS2 GTO's run 14's
I never said your car couldn't hang with mine either, it will just be hard pressed to beat mine... and to me i stated that was a waste considering I'm still a stock car pretty much
You're comparing a 4 door saloon FWD V6 3.8 Liter Buick engine that alot of 90's and late model 2000 GM's have to one of GM's flagship LS series engines...I would hope to god that you would beat my modified 3.8 liter with a stock LS2.
Making a FWD V6 keep up with a 400HP GTO is a waist of money? Come on...I guarantee I spent less overall then you have. Including the car.
#1 it's pointless to compare change of times and inflation with the cost of cars... because that's all you are doing with the money argument
#2 your "V6 3.8 Buick engine" is an engine derived from the fastest american production car of the 80's... so don't try and pull the lowly buick in the corner routine either
I think it's a waist of money to mod ANY FWD car to drag... could be a GTP, SRT4 or a damn cobalt for all I care,,, unless you think FWD is better for drag racing?
....the L67's in the GTP don't put out near the amount of power of the older GNx motors did.
Thats like comparing the 5.7 LT1 to a 5.7 LS1...the changes are staggering. The 80's Buick V6 weren't even a series. All about High HP and High Torque. L67's get 30MPG and put out maybe 200WHP...not really intended as being a fast production car.
240BHP compared to 270 something if I remember correctly... it's not that drastic of a drop and still doesn't negate you still have the bulletproof shortblock that the GNX's of old have.... and that bulletproof shortblock is what is letting you push the power... everything else that surrounds the engine and makes the car is what isn't
most catback exhausts flow pristine on all modern cars... people just swap them for sound
I think you are forgetting about the stock supercharger... there is no way it will handle the heat soak if the GTP is running low 12's... which leads to more cooling mods, a race gas tune (cost in gasoline now) and/or a ported M90...
and then once you do that... or swap to turbo/larger supercharger unit, now your driveline is screwed, CV axles will let go.... tires to plant the power etc etc
CV axles snap because of too much power being put down. Spinning tires is not putting power down.
Anyway, we're not really getting anywhere with this conversation. I respect you and your car, GTO is a badass car for sure. If you don't like mine, that's fine by me.
get a fox body mustang for $500-1000.. get a small block chevy engine for < 2000 throw some n20 on it and some slicks.. now you are smoking tons of cars people spent 30k+ on brand new.. and cheaper than what you did for your 4 door car. argueing money is irrilevant ;)
Half the things you don't comment on because you are puzzled beyond believe. That's why you had to go to ZZP to get the tiniest shred of knowledge about these cars so you wouldn't look AS stupid.
@MrVerzGTP Pretty bold statement considering. Ok. I will play with the grand prix crowd once again. Supercharged cars don't lose power @ 6,000rpm? When did I say that? If you are dealing with a centrifugal than no, they do not btw, but in owning a grand prix I'm sure you think the only supercharger that matters is a roots style charger lol. Gtps are notorious for losing top end fast, not just because of the supercharger, but the gear ratio and the 4 speed auto its attached to.
bharsen 4 weeks ago
Wow, nice. Is this auto or manual?
Naturalhit 6 months ago
man i <3 grand prixs. LONG LAST PONTIAC
SuperKazra 8 months ago
3800 series II engines are beasts
c5corvette100 9 months ago
5 seconds for a grand prix is astonishing. especially considering its 2 seconds quicker than stock
stickit2damanleosis 1 year ago
That seemed pretty quick.
KandAshow 1 year ago
notice the beginning of the video takes about 2 seconds off? if at 7 seconds he's going 60, subtract 2 and that gives you 5 seconds to 60.
thats a nice 3.8 you have there.
SXSic 1 year ago
even with a perfect launch theres no way this car would hit 60 in under 5 seconds...if you even said 6 seconds id still have trouble believing it..even with a supercharger the 4 speed auto trannys in these cant put the power to the ground..and even if you can its not worth the money, time or effort to tune these cars.
however i have a solution..
get a better car..
jrzguitarist 1 year ago
@jrzguitarist you dont know anything
rob16875 1 year ago
you can hear the supercharger
EmilianClarinet 1 year ago
not bad, so you have rockers/ headers/ intercooler, basically?
JDMGTP 1 year ago
@JDMGTP
On this video, yes...new setup is alot better.
3800GTV6 1 year ago
@3800GTV6 that's what I've gathered from your other posts
JDMGTP 1 year ago
huh no tune on it and its running that smooth how did ya accompolish that???? and is it streetable for everyday use????
corekid420 1 year ago
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Nice Downhill acceleration.
XxKobeBryantxX24 1 year ago
@XxKobeBryantxX24
Nice lack of knowledge you fucking toolbag.
3800GTV6 1 year ago 9
Damn that car is quick. I got a 99 se 3.8 and it will smoke most other 4 doors and it is close to stock. I could imagine what you could do with that. Nice video. Keep them coming.
aypllepay 1 year ago
how mutch waz it to do the swap i have a 1998 all whit gt 4 door with 123k
MrSrh508 2 years ago
@MrSrh508 like 2k
killdac 1 year ago
What i love about these cars is they are total sleepers. I was not expecting that at all.
WOTGTP98 2 years ago
God damn that was quick I wish my SSEI could do that LOL. I just need the stop being lazy and start modding my car already LOL.
workensmart 2 years ago
Very Nice
GTPseriesll 2 years ago
wow nice grand prix love these cars ^^
arandombmxer 2 years ago
Damn that was quick, nice gtp man.
427badass 2 years ago
Thanks man!
3800GTV6 2 years ago
Is it a GTP or a GT
I have a 2001 silver 2 door GTP
macljord 2 years ago
WOW lets post a video of a extremely slow car. What a douche
white69mach1 2 years ago
meh. he might have knocked a couple tenths off.. letsee it next time it goes to the track..
Mishre 2 years ago
A couple tenths when adding an IC, headers, and like 4 psi?
His car is tuned for E-85 now too.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
concurred
Piperporsche180944 2 years ago
whats it matter? 12.9 or 12.7 is still faster than a 14.4 adjusted for a DA of 8000ft even..
they are mid 13sec cars.. hardly fast..
Mishre 2 years ago
Lol you DO realize that this GP didn't have as many mods for the 14.4 pass right?
All it had was 3.5 pulley, rockers, intake, and a canned tune.
In this vid it is IC'ed, has headers, 3.0 pulley, and a better tune. So your mid 13 second guess is way off buddy.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
exactly
Piperporsche180944 2 years ago
the fun part is once you hit 20+ lbs of boost.. then there is pretty much no correction... its what makes those turbo cars that are stock at nearly 20psi so great in high elevations.. (32 generally is 0 correction but 20+ is almost none)
Mishre 2 years ago
its basically creating atmospheric pressure by running boost, so the elevation doesn't have as much effect on it.. like you said, the 12psi pulley would only give you like 9 or 10psi.. but still reduces by nearly 1/2 the correction you would get otherwise.
Mishre 2 years ago
Good thing this vid is here.. I was going to buy a GTP till i saw how slow they are.. I'm gonna get an evo instead.
Mishre 2 years ago
Lol yeah that's why this GTP is just as fast as your GTO......@ 6,000 feet!!!!
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
you keep saying that but you fail to understand the concept of timing and not racing with a speedometer vid... you don't actually race so what else do you have right?
bharsen 2 years ago
at 12 psi you get approximately 1/2 DA correction.. so.. maybe 3000ft?
my aunt likes her GTP she says its peppy.
Mishre 2 years ago
I knew someone with half a brain would chime in eventually... i grew tired of hearing about this guys epic biceps XD
bharsen 2 years ago
Oh and BTW i still have the stock tranny will all my mods it has ran fine for over 50k miles. No slippage at all...unlike your brain.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
shhh, it's ok... we all know you fail at life
bharsen 2 years ago
Haha bharsen, the GP in this video would wipe the road with your GTO. This video was taken at 6,000 feet ABOVE sea level and it still moves just as fast as your GTO does at seal level. My GTP would also hand you your ass, from a dig or roll. I have already beaten a couple 09 dodge challengers, which are just as fast as your GTO. I pulled 3-4 cars on them. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, so shut your cocksucker, you french fried faggot.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
just because you can make up stories doesn't help your case there kiddo.... you can say you rape F16's for all i care but your rap sheet and lack of proof is all I need to know you are full of shit lol
your car is slow and your excuse for everything is elevation and a mouth of a 4 year old... grow up and learn to back up your wigger mouth with facts tough guy XD
bharsen 2 years ago
What did i make up dumbass? The GP in this vid moves just as fast as your GTO except the GP is at 6000 feet and you're at sea livel. LOL you lose!
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
you have made up enough information for about 300 4 year olds... and have about the same mentality... get over yourself and stop spewing out false information, pricing and specs... because they are all wrong
and it's good to know that a car can be a at sea livel... what is that brethren to a sea lion?
grow up kid
bharsen 2 years ago
So because i keep proving your sorry ass wrong, you tell me that i'm making everything up without any evidence of your own to back it up? lol you are one pathetic piece of monkey shit. I paid $300 for my cam shaft, which uses all stock valvetrain parts, and i put it in myself. All you do is dig your own hole only to fall into them a few comments later, douche bag.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
a cam is at the very least 600 dollars not including installation and tuning.... even a GTP owner agreed with me there but yet you still want to act like a child and cry to the crib
do yourself a favor, stop making figures up, speedo E-racing on the internet and running your mouth and try actually racing once in awhile... because I know you don't considering all you have is a speedometer video starting from a roll because you know your car is shit from a stop
bharsen 2 years ago
LOL my car is shit from a stop?? Do you even know anything about roots style blowers? Low end torque is their specialty you fuckin idiot. Who the hell had filled your head with so much BS? Once again my cam was $300, and i put it in MYSELF! It's a baby cam and It uses a 100% stock valvetrain moron. Not like you wosuld know that anyway.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
I know plenty... so you know anything about a FWD setup? how about the stock suyspension setup?
I repeat, your car is shit from a stop
bharsen 2 years ago
My GTP would own you from a stop, tard.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
no, it wouldn't... lol
you haven't even been to the track to know what you car does in the first place... which is mid 13's if you're lucky
you are a child amongst men when it comes to cars actually worth racing and coming to the table with a brain and some facts to argue with
and might I also say you are still screaming like a little boy about how a supercharged car with thousands of dollars put into it can "keep up" with a bone stock car... which is funny to me XD
bharsen 2 years ago
Dude our cars would embarass you at the track. This video was on like 10 psi lol Spinning all of first.
If you wanna run my new setup, by all means...
3800GTV6 2 years ago
your cars are 13 second cars at the track... look at drag times it's kind of hard to argue statistics with speedo vids gentlemen XD
there are 7 pages of times for grand prix GTP's.... pages 3-4-5 are all 13 second passes... 6 and 7 are 14 second passes and only on the 1st and 2nd pages do GTP's start running 12's
GTP's can't hold a candle to cars that were designed to go fast stock without a large wallet... that is fact, sorry to rain on your parade
bharsen 2 years ago
next time might I suggest you not invest thousands of dollars into a slow car and try and compare it to a stock vehicles performance... it just makes you look like an idiot and it's nothing to brag about XD
400 dollars makies my car go from low 13's to high 12's... 400 dollars makes your car go from high 14's to mid 14's
I rest my case... should of bought a civic, those poor bastards love to argue horsepower per dollar when it doesn't matter in the slightest
bharsen 2 years ago
Haha no, 400 dollars makes our cars go from high 14's to high 13's. It's always better to BLOWN mod wise. I think you forgot that i'm buying a GTO here very shortly too. You act as if i hate them. You're a fucking douche whistle who doesn't know his ass from a manhole cover.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
again with the no brain quoting of BS performance times
you aren't buying a GTO, with the way you talk you wouldn't have enough money to buy a tonka truck
bharsen 2 years ago
in your other video's you have aid you have never been to the track.... and continue to say that with "SLICKS" and 12PSI you should be a 12.8-12.9 car.... and you say your street tire 12PSI setup would embarrass my 12.7@106MPH GTO with just a CAI and a tune?
lol, I'm done with this guy too
bharsen 2 years ago
Lol once again, you're an inbred.
Those times = Old setup. At 6000 feet none the less. Your high 12 second car would run high 13's up here. Ask any Coloradan...
3800GTV6 2 years ago
post vids of your new setup....
ohhh, wait... lol
last I checked 22 year old inbreds don't have 4 cars all newer than yours and would make it look like a POS... your car is just another laughing stock pile to add to the youtube list of people who have no conception of racing, modding or automobiles
well, I mean you ARE modding a FWD car for drag racing.... so that in itself tells most you are the idiot here
bharsen 2 years ago
Whatever helps you sleep at night mate.
You know, about 6 months ago I commented your video against those Mustangs saying nice job, and go GM. Giving you props. I love GTO's always have. I don't know why you are talking shit to me...I didn't instigate any fights or say anything rude to you.
But it's whatever man. I know what I like, and I could care less if you don't.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
I only talk shit to those that talk shit to me... when you and V3 started thinking GTP can keep up with F16 with said money put into them and started quoting bogus times, horsepower numbers, pricing and the lot.
you just have to sit down and ask yourself if ZZP performance and a ASE certified master tech knows what they are talking about... because most of my info is pulled off of ZZP performance itself... the same company you guys glorify
::shrug::
bharsen 2 years ago
I do love ZZP. They have a Twin Turbo GP GT that runs 8.65 @ 158MPH...on a stock crankshaft. It's right there on the site, now I think thats really cool. If you don't that's fine, but I know what kind of cars I like. Yours and mine being two of them. If you don't like mine then just get off my videos...
I went to yours 1 year ago because I love GM and GTO's, not because I wanted to talk shit.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
ZZP also states the stock tranny will only hold the amount of power/PSI I specified... but you saiud that was false information and that I'm an inbred, and that I have a small penis, and that I'm clueless, and I'm an idiot
last I checked all I did was quote times, numbers and problems that will go wrong with your car as certain mods will be added
now who is talking shit to whom?
go ahead, review... I'll wait
moral? I talk cars while other people run their mouths
bharsen 2 years ago
No...stock tranny cant handle shit for power. I'm first to admit that. Hell I actually just blew mine about 2 weeks ago.
Gotta think though bro, I came to your page 1 year ago giving you props...not talking shit.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
ONCE AGAIN. If these cars are so slow, why did this one reach 70 in the exact time it took your GTO to reach 70? This is at 6,000 feet too. But wait, our cars ''arn't shit from a stop'' lol how many times are you gonna ignore this comment you fucking inbred douche rocket?
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
I iignore it because comparing speedo's online is pointless and many factors tie into the acceleration of a vehicle... downhill slopes, uphill slopes, temperature... then again I'm not expecting someone as clueless as you to understand that either
keep being the bottom feeder of the performance word... it suits you well
bharsen 2 years ago
It spun all the way through 1st and still got to 70 just as fast as your RWD powerhouse GTO lol. That's kinda sad...
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
on street tires my 0-60 is a solid high 4 second pass... on drag radials it get's knocked down a good half a second
if GTP's are known for having shitty top end but awesome low end and LSX engines are known for their top end... I'll let you figure that one out mister E racer online XD
bharsen 2 years ago
and actually... since you keep on pushing pointless information I actually did compare my cars 0-60 to this ones.... my 0-60 is a full second faster... this car does it in 6, mine pulls closer to 5
again, props on the preschool counting man lol
bharsen 2 years ago
I didn't punch it until about 10-15 mph though.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
because if you did it you would spin even worse than what you did... the fact this FWD platform has to be peddled is the same reason why it's a slob from a stop
on drag radials I can rev on the stock stall and then hit the floor on green with nothing but a peep from the rear tires... making ALL WHP & torque available from 0MPH, peddling and spinning disregards any numbers you are making to the wheels
Wingeddonut 2 years ago
Yeah thats why I love my slicks at the track lol
3800GTV6 2 years ago
Are you fucking braindead? His 0-60 was exactly 5 seconds too, dipshit. He takes off at 3 seconds and hits 60 at 8 seconds. You do the math genius. His 0 to 70 was 6 seconds. So again, JUST as quick as your GTO except this was done at 6,000 feet DA lol.
And no, you said 12.9 the first time you lying sack of monkey shit.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
keep making shit up, this is quite amusing
lol
bharsen 2 years ago
I also see that you found out that i really did only pay $300 for my cam, lol hence why you didn't comment on that. And if you didn't...go look on ZZP and tell me how much a ''VS CAM'' cost, then get back to me dumbass. Since you ''claim'' to get all your facts about GTP's from there.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
$314 NOT INCLUDING pushrods, valvesprings and retainers.... and I know for a fact someone as clueless as you wouldn't be able to install a cam himself so you can stop that story right now
half of the things I don't comment that you say because you say too much BS for the most part... nobody in their right mind would be able to sit here and take EVERYTHING you say seriously and argue it lol
bharsen 2 years ago
The VS cam DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY VALVETRAIN MODS you fucking idiot. Did you read the entire description of that cam, sped? I doubt it. Theonly exta money i had to spend with that cam was a $50 install kit that cam with gaskets, timing chain dampener, and coolant o-rings. Juts admit that you don't know jack shit about my car and i will shut up, sped.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
if the VS cam doesn't require any valvetrain mods then it's a POS cam that isn't gaining you any power... a real cam would cause valve float on the stopck setup
and good luck on the GTO if all you can afford is a half assed cam and a wrong wheel drive car that you can't afford to mod anymore XD
I on the other hand am selling my GTO for a dodge... that of a V10 variety to sit next to my porsche
so good luck with that XD
bharsen 2 years ago
The GTO is the exact same price as i paid for my GTP in 2005 you fucking retard. You really think you drive such an expensive car??? lmao. I already told you that the VS cam was just a baby cam too you illiterate fuck. It still adds 35-50 HP, that's not bad at all. Not like you would know any of this anyway. Good luck with your make believe Viper and Porsche lol.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
lol I have my Porsche in my video's already
a cam adding 35-50BHP? are you serious? you actually think this is a good gain?
a simple dyno tune netted me a 25RWHP... you have a lot to learn son... A LOT
never said I drove an expensive car, I said I drove a faster car... if both cars were the same exact price and the GTO is 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 I really don't know what else you have to argue with lol
bharsen 2 years ago
That's 35-50 WHP not BHP you twat waffle.
Why the fuck do you keep comparing a stock GTP to a stock GTO you retard. Do you think that i don't know that the GTO would rape a stock GTP?
I modded my car because i love to see the look on people's faces (especially idiots like you) when my family grocery getter rapes their V-8 sports/muscle car.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
thing is it won't.... so why did you do it? LOL
bharsen 2 years ago
I have beat GTO's before you bird brain, what makes yours so special? Maybe if you actually new how to mod a car it might be special. I think you're just ''special'' though.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
where is your video of you beating a GTO?
where is your dyno video of you seeing 50FWHP?
where is your 1/4 mile time videos?
where are your racing videos?
again, stop making things up... it gets boring after awhile
bharsen 2 years ago
I have a video of me beating an LT1 firebird with headers by about 8-10 cars in the 1/8 mile.
I'm sorry that i don't carry a camera everywhere i go lol. Where's your video of you beating a 3.0 pullied GTP? Douche.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
don't need one, I have video of me beating faster cars
you don't have a single racing video to even give the thought that you would race a GTO... lol
your mouth is funny though, "I'm 6'9" 250lbs and I swear at people I feel inadequate against online... MOOO!"
grow up kid, seriously
bharsen 2 years ago
I am older than you are KID. And i am much bigger and much stronger than you are too. Not like you would have the balls to say any of this shit to me in person anyway lol. Why don't you bring your GTO hear is you're so rich and can aford such an EXPENSIVE car like your GTO lol.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
so you fail at the car discussion and going back into wigger E-thug mode?
lol, cool I guess
you aren't 6'9", it doesn't take genius to see that from your crappy walk around vid
and looking at your rapsheet on youtube it seems absolutel NOBODY likes you and you get repeated comments stating exactly what I say to you... imagine that?
empty threats and BS over the internet without even an adress to back up what you babble on about... that is what you are, hope you like it XD
bharsen 2 years ago
Do you want to see a fucking picture of me standing next to other people you dipshit? I am too 6'9'' and you're obviously just JEALOUS because you are about 5'7'' 130 lbs with a 3 inch pecker. You can't tell shit from my walk arohnd video you blind as a bat retard.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
no, I don't want to see a picture.. because by your mouth breather voice and want to prove yourself online you are probably trying to get in my pants... lol
god I feel sorry for you, to think there were people so emotionally distraught
bharsen 2 years ago
Aww i'm offering to prove to you that i really am as big as i say i am, but you refuse to let me? lmao you're just as fucking retarded as i thought you were. This right here proves it.
I'm trying to get in your pants by showing you a pic of my massive body that you don't believe exists? LOL what a sorry little homophobic hobbit you are.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
make a video of just hardcore you are man... so I can laugh at it along with the rest of youtube XD
the only thing that's sorry here is you calling yourself "massive" when 250 lbs is considered average weight for a 6'9" person and trying to prove yourself over the internet
you get so upset and try to prove how big and tall you are... when all I can do is laugh, don';t you understand you are pretty much an internet comedy right now over at the AUTOMOTIVE forum I moderate?
bharsen 2 years ago
It's not my fault you are jealous of my size. Then you try to make it seem like i'm ''trying to get in your pants'' when i offer to prove you wrong. What a pansy.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
I just told you to make a badass video of you dancing in front of your car with unicorns man, that would be badass... show me how huge you are dude
XDXDXD!!!
what a waste of life
bharsen 2 years ago
Why do you keep making all these little gay ass faces at me you faggot? You really are a nancy boy huh.
And i just sent you a pic of me standing next to one of my friends who is 5'10''. Go jerk off to it, douche whistle.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
no, you diddn't... nice front though
even if you did you would still look like a weak insecure person with no brain.
in the end you are full of empty threats, 4 year old names, nothing to back up what you say and not even an address to confirm where "coming over here" is
at the end of the day all of that put together makes you the pussy, no matter how much you would like to say against it
XD!
^^ theres the faces you love
bharsen 2 years ago
Check your inbox, homo. I sent you a link to one of my pics. You probably saw it and you're even more jealous. Aww poor baby...
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
I did... there is nothing there
not that I wanted to see someone inferior anyways
bharsen 2 years ago
Lol this GP the grand prix went 0 to 60 in 5 seconds flat, exactly like your GTO. What is so hard to comprehend about that? The fact that this video was taken at 6,000 feet just makes your car seem all the more slower.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
you keep repeating that... only it was 0-60 in 6 seconds (according to the video which in itself should be neglected due to timing differences in video and all that good electronic stuff, uphill, downhill, weather, temp etc etc etc)
and 6,000ft means nothing when you are running FI and comparing it to a N/A car lol
bharsen 2 years ago
5 SECONDS!!! NOT 6 SECONDS....do you know how to count??? He takes off at 3 seconds and hits 60 at 8 seconds!! You are a complete retard, wow...just wow...
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
stop yelling, it makes you look like more of an idiot
keep counting clocks for racing... it seems to be all you're... not good at :-/ lol
bharsen 2 years ago
And what the hell would FI have to do with how thin the air is you moron? Each car would get the same air. The SC wouldn;t spinning any faster to make up for the lack of air molecules. Once again, you're a retard.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
a DA of 6000' equates to 11.78psi of air pressure. Percent loss is going to be absolute pressure divided by absolute pressure at sealevel
14.7psi / 14.7psi = 1 (sealevel has no power loss so no correction)
11.78psi / 14.7psi = 80.1% NA (19.9% less power for the NA car))
(11.78psi + 14.7psi) / (14.7psi + 14.7psi) = 90.07% (9.93% less power or 50% correction for 14.7psi boost)
Mishre 2 years ago
That doesn't make any sense at all bro. The air is the same for both cars. And the SC can only spin so fast without having to drop pulley size.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
I don't think the owner of this GP was really seeing 12 psi either. I think it was more like 9 or 10. He said that awhile back and that would seem more likely.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
if you go to the NHRA website it says under tech_specss/altitude that s/c and turbo'd cars only get 1/2 correction.. they konw what they are talking about if you dont believe me. i was pointing out that really it depends on how much boost you are running.
Mishre 2 years ago
again, falling back excuses isn't going to save you from the fact you have no idea what you are rambling about... havn't been for the past 5 dasys
you keep jumping around from subject to subject trying to prove things you can't
bharsen 2 years ago
What Mishre said is referring to turbo's not SC's...get a clue you tool.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
it's you that need s to get a clue...
automotive math > you
bharsen 2 years ago
?
both forms will be effected
how do you say it?.... tool
lol
bharsen 2 years ago
How many times do i need to own your ignorant ass? You might as well just grab a shovel. You know nothing about automobiles or how to mod them. And where's your video of your GTO running the ''12.7'' that you already told me was 12.9 once before lol. You fucking jacking ass.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
why are you concerned about what his car runs? The only thing that matters is what you run.. there is always someone faster out there. this guy runs 14.4.. i have a buddy that runs at the same track.. 13.5 in a cheap old dart n/a :)
Mishre 2 years ago
I already told you it was 12.7 @ 106MPH with mickey thompsons, it's been that way since the beginning of racing season this year
and like mishre said... you aren't really owning anything, you are avoiding comments and just gloating when in reality you just left80 discussions unanswered because you don't know how to answer them lol
bharsen 2 years ago
No you said 12.9 the first time you dolt. You're a fake, just admit it. And where's the video huh? Let's see some ''proof''.
Why would i answer to all of your nonsense? That would be like competing in the special olympics...which you probably already do.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
looks like you are just as sad as your car... my bad, sorry I bothered you XD
you won't answer because you are wrong about it tough girl
Piperporsche180944 2 years ago
106 mph is slow too, for a tuned GTO. You should be trapping at least 110.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
no, 106MPH is actually a very fast trap for a stock A4 with no power mods
Piperporsche180944 2 years ago
The A4's are actually the ones that usually run the better times. And his is an M6 too with a dyno tune he claims, so he should be trapping over 110 easily.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
I'm an A4 bro, learn to read a regular sherlock holmes you are man XD
bharsen 2 years ago
Where did you even say that you were an A4?? I just looked at your video again and you are in fact an A4, but like it matters anyway. You're still underestimating my car big time because you have NO knowledge about them whatsoever.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
you keep saying I have no knowledge about your car when you're the one that knows squat about mine XD
and I hate to break it to you buddy but I knw enough to put you oout to dry where all you can say is "YOU KNOW NOTHING!" but not tell me any "knowledge" of your own because I already spelled it out for you
now that the discussion is taking the attention of people that know what they are talking about look at where you are.... cornered with nothing to give
bharsen 2 years ago
@bharsen Wow I had forgotten just how fucking STUPID you really are. The above statement will prove this. So supercharged cars don't lose power at 6,000 ft now? LOL! You sir are a fucking moron. You should be driving a fucking Honda you fucking ricer.
MrVerzGTP 4 weeks ago
porsches are bitch cars, you talk shit on gtp's because you have a gto? i really hope you know that gto's are over rated and have no balls until 3rd gear. your car is a joke i'll whoop it's ass with easy bolts on my sentra 1.8 lol
dredknought 2 years ago
Yes!!!!
3800GTV6 2 years ago
BWAHAHAH
so not only do you guys think you have rocket ship GTP's but you think a nissan sentra can achieve beyond high 12's with simple bolt on's?
bharsen 2 years ago
porsches are one of the most well balanced and put together sportcars on the road today.. the 911 still outperforms every car in it's class all the wy up the latter to the 911 turbo. but you wouldn't know anything about that in you'r 15-16 second sentra would you?
no friend, I hate to tell you but your sentra is cannon fodder for even regular 3800 SE grand prix's
bharsen 2 years ago
P.S. no balls until third gear... A.K.A 0-60 in under 5 seconds on street tires
go back to pretending you know about cars XD
why do I always attract the clueless slow ricer mentality children in debates? it would be nice to sit down and talk with someone who knows SOMETHING about automobiles
bharsen 2 years ago
Quit pretending you know anything about automobiles you piece of monkey shit.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago
is that all you can say after I walked another GTP owner through the complete modding process and problems/weak points he will encounter on his setup?
people like you are funny, because you claim people don't know anything when you bring nothing to the table yourself... all it is is made up figures thrown out there to try and make you feel better that you spend thousands of dollars to still be slower than a stock car
bharsen 2 years ago
Because you have such huge displacement! 1.8L! Its a Sentra, how cute. Give your sister her car back.
I bet you pinks my little bitch 2.5L Porsche will molest you.
PS. GTO's are no joke. Your car might stay within 20 cars from 40 to 120mph.
You belong on some comedy tour if you think your 1.8L Sentra can hang with a Toyota Camry V6 let alone a LS2 GTO and a "bitch Porsche". Cute....
Piperporsche180944 2 years ago
gto's are a joke is more like it, take it stock for stock against any car in it's price range thats classed as a sports car and watch it get fucked up.
dredknought 2 years ago
Your making fun of a car thats good for 170MPH stock while your driving a Sentra..... When you compare a GTO you compare it to a M3, Porsche 911 Carrera, and a Terminator are all even and the GTO is cheapest. Get your facts right.
I hold true to my offer. Lets see that Sentra get to 140....... Or is it unsafe to go over 100?
Piperporsche180944 2 years ago
bharsen 2 years ago
High 12's low 13's???
Every car magazine and Road Course tester can't claim anything better than a 14.0 stock...lol
Example #1 = /watch?v=5ZliO4rUPvg
Example #2 = /watch?v=dxFZZyO44jo
3800GTV6 2 years ago
Hahah watch out we have a magazine racer on our hands! :D you ever go to the track yourself bud? :D if you read the mags when they get the pro driver behind the wheel its upper 12s in the LS2 GTO magazine drivers suck horribly, about as bad as a guys first time at the track.
Mishre 2 years ago
yuuup, a flawless run will yield high 12's and some drivers have seen on the upwards of 109MPH traps out of a bone stock M6 LS2... mostly on average I would quote them as low 13 second cars trapping around 105MPH
bharsen 2 years ago
if you are saying LS2 GTO's run 14's you really need to kill yourself because I ran a 13.3 @ 104 bone stock as my first pass in the car after owning it for about 2 weeks
bharsen 2 years ago
Low 13's out of 6 liters of V8 fury?
I ran that on a mere 10 PSI at PIR in Portland Oregon lol
But I don't race there so I'm not gunna put up phony video's or timeslips because I race in Denver.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
you ran that at a track you don't race at?
way to mindfuck yourself
that being said this is why you guys will never win... you say something that is totally wrong, then roll the facts into something else and take the fact you are clueless in the first place and sweep it under the carpet with a BS statement that has no merit in the original topic at hand
bharsen 2 years ago
I never race at that track. I was on vacation and took a roadtrip out there to see some family. Happened to be in the Vancouver area and stopped by for a Test and Tune night. I'm pretty sure my best ET was a 13.3 on 10 pounds of boost.
I always race at Bandimere. So racing anywhere else would be throwing false times out in the public, which I don't wanna do.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
what time of year did you run low 13's @ PIR? month? time of day?
bharsen 2 years ago
Went out there in...April? I know I got a few passes then it got rained out.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
funny... because in April PIR is an 1/8 mile track for the whole entire month regarding test and tune
bharsen 2 years ago
It was the late night drags on a Friday. I believe some tire company hosts the event.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
I repeat... the entire month of april is 1/8 mile races at PIR
and you ran low 13's right?
bharsen 2 years ago
I looked at my work schedule just now. Took off March 16th - April 2nd. We must have gone late March or something because it was a full 1/4. We took like 5-6 cars down there and we all raced until it got rained out.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
sure the story is straight now?
bharsen 2 years ago
I'm not saying that my or your car is a rocket ship. I'm just saying man, GTP's can be quick with some mods and can hang with bigger V8's.
It's just facts dude. There is nothing astonishing/stupid/make believe/false/retarded about a GTP being able to run hard...just like any other car. If you think that your car is superior to every GTP, then by all means, be my guest. I don't walk around saying I can beat every GTO because simply, I can't beat every GTO. Much like you cant beat every GTP.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
I moderate a mustang forums and I still call my GTO slow in the street and strip section... there are 3.73 basic bolt on S197's that run mid-high 12's all motor and make my GTO look like a bag of tools... so I don't know where you are getting this picture of me
there is a fine boundary of a GTP being able to run hard with little money... and that usually ends in 13's... with tons of cash ready to replace everything by all means... have at 12's
THIS is where I am coming from
bharsen 2 years ago
Agreed with the above part of the statement.
However, I think you said you spent 21k on the car? Something in that price range if I recall...
Anyway, I bought my car for about 6500 bucks and put maybe another 3500 into it. (For the current setup, not the 13.3)
So, in reality, you have spent twice the money I have to run slightly quicker than me. Not saying you wasted money, cause granted, 12's is a damn good time for a street car, but not everyone wants a GTO, people have different tastes...
3800GTV6 2 years ago
no, so in reality you bought an older car with less quality for speed...
again... you aren't arguing prices, you are arguing inflation at the rate of time against a newer car
price of a bathtub.... 300 bucks, price of some wheels, tires a seat and a steering wheel? a grand used... price of a used LS2? 3K
congrats, you have a $4,300.00, 600lbs bathtub that can run 6's and trap 200MPH
case in point, what do you REALLY want to be driving?
bharsen 2 years ago
Lol you're a sarcastic ass, but i like you. I'm a gtp guy, but that shit made hella sense and was funny as hell.
Maxmaj1q 2 years ago
I find it funny how you have to research the PIR 2009 schedule to confirm my 13.3...
All I remember is that it was the 2nd Late Night Drags of the year.Whenever the fuck that was. I didn't go to Oregon to race, I went to see family. Sorry I don't remember exact dates so you can confirm that my car can hang with yours.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
I find it funny you went in April and ran a low 13 on an 1/8 mile track... then you went in March.
but never decided to mention that you ran this sea level time before this debate... this also rolled off of the statement LS2 GTO's run 14's
I never said your car couldn't hang with mine either, it will just be hard pressed to beat mine... and to me i stated that was a waste considering I'm still a stock car pretty much
bharsen 2 years ago
You're comparing a 4 door saloon FWD V6 3.8 Liter Buick engine that alot of 90's and late model 2000 GM's have to one of GM's flagship LS series engines...I would hope to god that you would beat my modified 3.8 liter with a stock LS2.
Making a FWD V6 keep up with a 400HP GTO is a waist of money? Come on...I guarantee I spent less overall then you have. Including the car.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
#1 it's pointless to compare change of times and inflation with the cost of cars... because that's all you are doing with the money argument
#2 your "V6 3.8 Buick engine" is an engine derived from the fastest american production car of the 80's... so don't try and pull the lowly buick in the corner routine either
I think it's a waist of money to mod ANY FWD car to drag... could be a GTP, SRT4 or a damn cobalt for all I care,,, unless you think FWD is better for drag racing?
bharsen 2 years ago
....the L67's in the GTP don't put out near the amount of power of the older GNx motors did.
Thats like comparing the 5.7 LT1 to a 5.7 LS1...the changes are staggering. The 80's Buick V6 weren't even a series. All about High HP and High Torque. L67's get 30MPG and put out maybe 200WHP...not really intended as being a fast production car.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
240BHP compared to 270 something if I remember correctly... it's not that drastic of a drop and still doesn't negate you still have the bulletproof shortblock that the GNX's of old have.... and that bulletproof shortblock is what is letting you push the power... everything else that surrounds the engine and makes the car is what isn't
bharsen 2 years ago
The only bad part on these cars is the transmission. Everything else is awesome.
Torquey as hell for a V6, heads flow decent for a pushrod motor, hell even the stock catback exhaust flows well down to low 12's.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
most catback exhausts flow pristine on all modern cars... people just swap them for sound
I think you are forgetting about the stock supercharger... there is no way it will handle the heat soak if the GTP is running low 12's... which leads to more cooling mods, a race gas tune (cost in gasoline now) and/or a ported M90...
and then once you do that... or swap to turbo/larger supercharger unit, now your driveline is screwed, CV axles will let go.... tires to plant the power etc etc
bharsen 2 years ago
Your last statement kinda contradicts itself lol
CV axles snap because of too much power being put down. Spinning tires is not putting power down.
Anyway, we're not really getting anywhere with this conversation. I respect you and your car, GTO is a badass car for sure. If you don't like mine, that's fine by me.
Have a good day mate
3800GTV6 2 years ago
also, most GM pushrod motors have heads that flow more than decent.... they flow the equivelent CFM of a Ford 4V OHC engine with 2V's per cylinder
the torque obviously comes from the M90 and it's also what will tear apart the car once more horsepower than the stock M90 can handle is acheived
bharsen 2 years ago
it's amazing what actually talking cars will uncover about a persons knowlege on a subject isn't it?
unless you just want to go back to shouting "NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT" like Vrz3's approach... that seemed to be getting somewhere XD
bharsen 2 years ago 2
Agreed, talking cars is much more sustainable then throwing out asinine comments.
3800GTV6 2 years ago
get a fox body mustang for $500-1000.. get a small block chevy engine for < 2000 throw some n20 on it and some slicks.. now you are smoking tons of cars people spent 30k+ on brand new.. and cheaper than what you did for your 4 door car. argueing money is irrilevant ;)
Mishre 2 years ago
"argueing money is irrilevant ;) "
Then why are you arguing?
3800GTV6 2 years ago
Half the things you don't comment on because you are puzzled beyond believe. That's why you had to go to ZZP to get the tiniest shred of knowledge about these cars so you wouldn't look AS stupid.
V3rzGTP 2 years ago