Krishnamurti & Bernard Levin: Part 1 (of 3)

[residue102]

its funny the comments on here... what do you call it, garden variety seekers? sunday drivers? lol. Krishnamurti can explain it. but it doesnt really make it better than those who have attained it but cant put it into words. the listener will understand within his own framework of understanding shaped by his internal fire with which he really wants to know. woe ie

[wegotop]

So grateful we can listen to this TODAY!



[RefugeeInExile]

Levin asks exactly what the most frustrated part of me would ask K he's a brilliant interviewer , I would push K for the responses more like Levin does and it makes this probably the best interview on awakening or whatever there is, I always felt it was just me, and each other person the same, I side tracked a lot but K is living it right there, he's in the place and I and you can be K is intelligent and brilliant but not superhuman he is you and I at the drop of a hat, best wishes to all who w

[usdubey]

Bernard Levin starts with the phrase 'timelessness of east and restlessness of the west'. Is "TIMELESSNESS" private property of the so called "EAST" or the "RESTLESSNESS" private property of the so called "WEST"? Isn't this divisive way of thinking the cause of inward conflict? Your mind is the residue of entire humanity. Unless one realizes this fact how can he be light to his own self ?

[Adeikov]

I understand what he says, my logic is like a razor, my imagination is like an amoeba able to cover and feel the structure of what is said, and as I hold it in my grasp, I can see the correlates with reality. I get better at this ever year, my mind becomes like an amoeba and razor-like in logic.

[DieTheDeath]

@Adeikov how poetic

[brianjsmith1895]

K taught , it seems, that Thought is the root of the 'me', the selfish mind. He said that for 70 years or so. And on his deathbed he said NO ONE had 'got it'. Why can't we understand what he said ? Could it be that Thought is NOT the root, at all ? Dawkins has described nDNA as "a selfish, greedy, unconscious, survival machine". Does that not sound uncannily like K's description of the 'me' ? The very centre of thought is 'me', and we are not creating it, the machine within, is.

[joetylerdale]

@brianjsmith1895 Verry good observation.I believe you brought me a "Zen" moment.

[humblevoyageur3F3]

Bonjour à tutes et à tous

Si quelqu'un(e), se sent capable de soustitrer en Français, d'avance, un million de mercis!

Très cordialement

Humblevoyageur3F3

[jluctube]

@humblevoyageur3F3

Bonjour, vous pouvez trouver la transcription de cet entretien dans "Krishnamurti en questions" en Livre de Poche. Cordialement.

[kr00ked]

i have a hard time understanding what he means by no conflict? i love and hate how he does not give you answers but makes you figure them or learn them for yourselves

[Tao33316]

@kr00ked

You need to pay closer attention to what he is saying. You must be a Light unto Yourself. The wisdom of another cannot be handed over to another. The words in a book, or those spoken in this video, are pointing to something much deeper. He is actually telling you the answer, but you do not yet possess the inner knowledge to understand him --- and when you do, you will not need him.

[sclogse1]

@kr00ked

I've read everything by K. Don't sweat it wondering about love and hate. The conflict he speaks of comes from the duality of the mind. This duality comes from not living in the present...which produces anxiety, fear, confusion, envy, you name it. The mind then uses the present as a means to an end, for psychological security. When the mind is always trying to become, it is in conflict. When the mind projects what it thinks is secure for it...the projection comes from an insecure mind.

[RossTheHick]

God, I wish they still interviewed intelligent people like Krishnamurti, instead of all these self-righteous dumbasses like Chris Brown and Charlie Sheen. Journalism in America has gone to hell.

[MeMeMeNaughty]

The interviewer isn't great, I think he's almost too reverential.

[PitchfeverAcademy]

I LOVE the awkward silence from :35 to :40. K's the man!

[TheFirstSky]

each man is the story of mankind

[tegoy666]

real life yoda

[deniz1496]

the interviewer is good, been able to extract the purity from JK...

[krustyegg]

Thought is wholly insuffient to understand ourseleves and the world properly. That clear. Nothing new in that, its been said before 1000s of years ago along with all the other good sense wisdom and wot not thats generally ignored.

So heres a question,

"why hasnt humanity moved on, developed consciousness beyond thinking?"

Is it because people dont want to? Because then we couldnt take ourselves so god damn seriously after that? I suspect so. Very dissapointing.

[FathomlessJoy]

@krustyegg I've read K for 20 years and now watch his videos. I'm still tortured by thought - constantly becoming, thinking of the future, pouring over the past, with brief breaks. Why do I continue? I think it's because of conditioning - not as an abstraction, but the brain cells themselves, as physical things, are conditioned to to this, they have a life of their own and have set in motion (the same direction as all mankind) and in order to STOP and TURN AROUND is extremely difficult!

[krustyegg]

@FathomlessJoy and in order to STOP and TURN AROUND is extremely difficult! Damn right; particularly when the predomiant wisdom is to treat everyone and everything as isolated flukes of infinite, random probablities. And as you say conditioning plays a big part in all this it does not allow one to observe the interconnected state of all, so called, events and causes. Thinking is a very good servant but a very poor master for that very reason.

Keep at it guys we'll get there.

[FathomlessJoy]

@krustyegg It's like a stampede. One sees they are all running off a cliff, can it stop in the middle of the stampede and turn around and get other cows to stop? If it does and doesnt get trampled by others, then maybe it is the only one left, lonely and frightened because all of his friends are dead. Are any of us willing to risk being trampled AND willing to stand alone? When I quit drinking and smoking, I thought everyone would quit and they would stop selling booze/smokes in stores. Wrong!

[krustyegg]

@FathomlessJoy it is the only one left, lonely and frightened because all of his friends are dead. Are any of us willing to risk being trampled AND willing to stand alone?

To be or not to be that is the question; whether it's nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or to take up arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them.

There comes a time when we ask deep questions of our lives and the only satisfyng answers are those that reflect our own depths.

[gregdshand]

He's like a real world Yoda!

[KrfNYC2]

I've done some reading on Shaminism, meditation and all sorts of ideas and methods regarding spirituality (I'm currentyl reading the Tao Te Ching). And I find that these texts describe lour lives on Earth as something so simple to enjoy. They al seem to express that if one simply does not desire, does not think, does not worry...one will be free, at peace and happy. I plan on reading Awakening of Intelligence soon (After Ghandi's Satyagraha).

[xaxisxophiodes]

this guy just calms me down. i can be far more aware when he speaks. relaxing, no?

[loneck]

Thx for video, very interesting.

[fusionhar]

wake up people.

The truth not only hurts, it IS fact.

This human beings embarkation on life should be forever in our gratitude.

[rehanajana]

K was directly overshadowed by the Buddha. In Buddha lifetime he was the grandson the son of Rahula, Buddha's son. Incidentally the whole theosophical society was the reincarnation of Buddhas closest disciples and relatives.

The entire theosophical society was esoterically a group reincarnation of Lord Buddha

[DeathNeedsTime]

@rehanajana Really. Sure about that are you.

[rehanajana]

@DeathNeedsTime I'm 100% sure . Things like this there is no you of proving in a phenomenal sense. These things can be known through the silence of the mind in meditation only .

Also HPB in that life was Rahulas's wife and Damodar Mavalanar the Indian theosophist was Buddha's wife.

[rehanajana]

@DeathNeedsTime ...... Also W Q Judge was Rahula

[coibad]

thank U for sharing

Merci!

[amalhallab]

thanks

[Juanster23]

7:17 Its funny, because the Buddha said.... be a light unto yourself. The teachings of Krishna mirror that of Gautama Buddha.

[Love2GoHiking]

@Juanster23 Yes but the attitude in buddhism as it has now become does not mirror that found here in Jiddu.

[theseanze]

Yeah, he gets awkward and says that to change the approach, but he could have continued on the point of Jesus's words that the words we read weren't his. He probably spoke some form of local Hebrew, Gospel writers used Greek, and now we have it in English, with centuries of Church beaurocratic political filtering, cultural re-interpreting, etc...

[ipublica]

@Juanster23 I believe that K was a reincarnation of the Buddha.

[cluster976]

@DeathNeedsTime do you have proof of what you're saying? If so, could you post it to us also? Thanks!

[aloozer]

@ipublica Buddhas don't reincarnate as they've left the cycle of samsara permanently.

[aloozer]

@Juanster23 That particular phrase yes I agree, but I wouldn't say the same for all of what Krishnamurti had taught. Not to discredit Krishnamurti though.

[Juanster23]

@aloozer There is a book called, Can Humanity Change? Krishnamurti in dialogue with Buddhists. K's teachings are very similiar to that of buddhist ones. I practice meditation and they're very similar to one another. Choiceless awareness is vipassana meditation.

[closetome]

5 star

[PhillipLWilcher]

Sorrow has its own beauty. Tears of sorrow contain a sedative not present when we cry tears of joy, so I've been told.

As a composer I challenge myself more and more. Challenge is a part of evolution - yes? Being afraid, or lets just say tentative, can diminish your creativity, perhaps - but something is always at work somewhere. I sometimes hesitate to start a new piece of music because I am sometimes afraid an idea won't work or even that it will work too well.......

[THEFARSEER2]

Awesome post!!

[PhillipLWilcher]

Truth and Love.

Perhaps it is that the greater Truth is that everything we experience in this time called life, both good and bad, is a variation on a theme and that theme ultimately is LOVE. If you live a life without heartache and hardship you live an unbeautiful life.

Life's most rewarding journey for me is within. In the broader scheme of later things it might well be found that the entire history of mankind is contained in every human embryo. We are each other and all that has been.

[wonderwhaz797]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you mean that heartache and hardship is just being able to feel? To be sensitive? Like crying when you see war or having a challenging moment in your life build up your character?

[PhillipLWilcher]

A challenging moment in your life that builds up your character - yes. Consider nature - compare the vast expansive plains of almost nothingness that remain untouched by trauma - flat - and then compare them to those terrains shaped and sculpted by trauma beneath the earth's surface...the beauty of entwining mountain ranges, fiords, a glacier shifting....

I'm not sure if I'm making sense.

[wonderwhaz797]

Okay, but it seems that when the brain is challenged in a rough way, the human reacts instead of being proactive and therefore sorrow begins, but it need not be so. You can take a challenge and flow with it, but I have to admit, I'm conditioned and resist quite a bit. I guess maybe that means I'm blocking my own growth, damming the river so to speak, because I'm scared and that diminishes my own creativity. I guess maybe it's growth I'm not ready for, but it also seems like ugly postponement.

[PhillipLWilcher]

In art, and especially music, joy and sorrow seem irrelevant. Beauty reigns supreme. In art, something "ugly" can be exquisitely beautiful. Consider some of Delacroix's paintings.

Maybe there's a hidden reason for being "conditioned" to resist in that there's something more there yet to make itself evident to you. I'm not sure. My mother suffered more than her fair share of illnesses throughout her life and she remained stoic.

[PhillipLWilcher]

I sometimes wonder why she had to suffer so much when she caused no suffering to others and the only answer I have for it is that perhaps she chose it for herself before entering this life as a part of some development or spiritual need. Other than that, it makes little sense to me.

[PhillipLWilcher]

Challenges: In 1997 I suffered a shattering breakdown which took me two years to recover from. The mental strength it took to overcome such a challenge was such to cause another breakdown, but somehow you come through. Several years ago I was assaulted, quite violently. I nearly died. On waking in hopsital my immediate concern was for the welfare of the youths who atacked me. I needed for them to know I was alive.

[behinddacurtain]

its not as tragic as u but i had to quit with something i loved the most it heard me so bad mentaly that half of my face paralyzed, the doctors didnt knew why but i read a book "the power of positiv thinking" while reading that book i was crying because i knew why it had happened to me, since that day I try to change into thinkin positive and feel no more hate and everything is great since than

[PhillipLWilcher]

Thank you for sharing that with me.

I can't say I've actually felt hatred towards anyone or anything in my life - more so feelings of disappointment at times, and frustration perhaps. It's all good though. Positive thinking can take a measure from us too, I feel, but it's the only way to go. Finding some creative outlet by which feelings can be manifested also helps. Blessings......

[PhillipLWilcher]

I had no feeling of anger towards them. truthfully the physical pain I suffered was so great I would not allow it to touch my spirit. I wrote a letter to the newspaper forgiving the youths. I would have liked to have met with them, hold out a hand and say want to give friendship a go now?

Whatever we go through, it's ultimately a variation on a theme and that them is surely love. Faith plays a part. Sorry if I've overdone the reply! LOL!

[xinvisiblex23]

thanks for posting !!!!!!

[cosmicjazzer]

Thank you for posting this. K transmits a palpable stillness and beauty.

[djlookwood]

Direct Perception is the childs primary sense. Education and Indoctrination obliterate that sense, purposefully. Insecurity, personal and communal obliterates that sense.

[pozlotus]

another amazing clip

[Zally23]

Seastarwatcher, you're provided a great service by posting these videos. Thank you.

The story of Krishnamurti and his whole view of the world is unique.

[ONEQUALREASON]

seastarwatcher thanks for the posted videos of Krishnamurti.

The Light shines from within if one understand Noise.

One Reason

LOVE

All Is Equal

[SENAFOREVER]

to watch

[SENAFOREVER]

Merci de tout coeur, this is a joy to wash.

[capekmira]

Truth is also Love. And who whould dare to say that love can not be transmited...Truth can be found in human relationhips..Truth is something which is constantly being shared otherwise is is not the Truth..it can be found anywhere because it can come ANYWHERE!

[dirtycelinefrenchman]

Truth is an abstraction, and people who live in the world of abstractions are referred to as being insane. god is also an abstraction. and since truth is anywhere that very lack of any definite spaceness would also mean that it is at the same time also nowhere, thus an abstraction, i.e., not existing in reality, like god, which, as an abstract definition for that which transcends all human categories, also neither exists nor does not exists, or, if you prefer it, both exists and does not exist.

[capekmira]

It seems that you got caught up in a dualism..a very dangerous one as it leaves you no space to decide! Furthermore the abstraction as you have written about it would deserve much more inquiry..It seems that you have come up with a conclusion that can not be satisfactory nor true..Abstraction is never the truth! Unless you really understand this and put this into practice you will have to suffer..on the contrary Truth is the END of all abstractions and without Truth there is no life and happines

[inoidontknow]

its beautiful

[tahery3]

Is it not great that we can see this for free?

[mp4ever31]

hell yeahs

[silversobe]

It better stay that way o.O

[deniz1496]

@tahery3 this is indeed a good comment

[vincikd007bg008]

@tahery3 How do ya get free internet on ur Personal Computer

[Jangaboo]

hi...its strange...human beings yet we don't actually know what we are...to watch and see yourself on why you do things and how you react to things to get a better grasp of yourself...