i just got a ice box heat exchanger, but didnt realize i would need 3/4 hp chiller to cool my 3k flower room efficently?.....or can i get more heat exchangers and daisy chain them together off one 1/4 hp chiller? cause if i need 1/4 hp chilling power PER LIGHT, thats gonna cost ALOT more than i expected, and will prolly be returning your products...
@Bublonichronic2 You are correct that you would need a MINIMUM of 1/4 ton per light to cool the room. No, you cannot just add heat exchanger to obtain more cooling capacity, sorry it doesn't work like that.
@sbkeen damn man....you think a 3/4 hp chiller will still use less energy than a couple intake/exhauast fans, and a 14000 BTU A/c? 3/4 hp chiller runs at what 4.4 amps? and a a/c at like 3.5b righ? also, just wonderin what you think about making a DIY chiller out of a deep freezer? like runnin coiling in it and makin water pass through that b4 it hits the ice box? sorry for all the questions, tryn to get my shit right on the cheap!
@Bublonichronic2 The amount of energy that you will use, will be dependent upon the brand of chiller and the brand of a/c, and what type of compressor is used in each. As far as the DIY chiller out of a deep freeze, more than likely the compressor on the deep freeze will not have substantial output to give you the results you are looking for. Most freezers have a small (~1000 BTU) compressor, but very heavy insulation with no heat load to achieve very low temperatures.
I can not stop watching these videos! They have really helped me with planning my new setup. I have just about everything I need. 4 Iceboxes for 4 hoods, hydro gen pro, and a chiller.
Gotta ask, what type of pump are you using to force the water through your chiller, res, and ice boxes?
Do you have to get all that stuff? I have a small indoor garden using a 250w light, my ambient temps are on the hot side so with my inline fan on It's capping at 85 deg. Could I just get a res and the ice box 6" and pull off that? I would think it would go ice box - light(cool tube) - then fan pulling air from both.
@sbkeen What is that? Is that the icebox? I'm not trying to spand a lot of money on this, I was thinking of just getting the ice box heat exchanger, a 50 gal res and a pump to fit it all. But you're saying I should put it between my light and fan? Also my fan vents into the attic, but with the I.B. in between the two you think it'll cool my grow cab down?
@enigmasfriend The chiller is a separate item called a "water-chiller". I was unaware that you vent to the attic. If you vent air from your cab to the attic then the Ice Box will not benefit your temperatures, because the Ice Box is designed to be run in a recirculating air setup.
@WholeTruthZ It is removing the heat from the lights and tent via the water that is pumped through the Ice Box. Everyone's garden is slightly different, so there is no set kit that works for everyone, but if you contact our office via email or phone we can provide you with an equipment list for your room.
Thanks for the heads up on the copper coil. I'll change it out for the stainless ASAP. Keep out the grate work you have some of the "COOLEST" products. No punn. Have a safe holiday.
@baseballDUDE32 Very clean setup in your video. The only thing that I will say is that you may want to change out the copper coil that you are using for a stainless steel coil as your nutrient solution can slowly leach copper into solution. But, other than that a very clean and impressive setup. Keep up the awesome work.
@KrayzieDA You have the fan pull the hot air from the hood across the Icebox, which has cold water passing through it, and the heat is transferred from the air into the water and pumped back to the chiller. This type of setup can be very effective in a "sealed" room if setup correctly.
@KrayzieDA As for a controller/timer for the fan that is attached to the Ice Boxes you would want to use the Ice Box Thermostat. If you need a controller/timer for intake/exhaust fan any timer will do. As far as the covers that seal the fans when they aren't running, I think you are referring to the backdraft dampers.
@sbkeen Heres another question that just came to mind.You said in one of your vids to keep the chiller outside but can I just keep it in another room in the house with a window open? And I should be able to do that while keeping my room sealed correct? Just seal up the exits for the manifolds is what I'm guessing.
@KrayzieDA We never recommend placing the chiller inside, because we can't guarantee the BTU output of the unit when it is placed indoors due to the fact that the units are tested outdoors with unlimited ventilation. That being said, if you can provide enough ventilation to the unit that you do not restrict its exhaust in any way then you should be able to run the unit efficiently indoors.
We agree with you about the fans for circulation. We just built this as a display for our products and not an actual functioning garden at the trade show that year.
One thing I wish more people would talk about is the use of a radiator before the chiller. Obviously located outside the grow room, or better yet heating your pool in the winter:D
@givinlivin Yes, that is essentially what our compressorless chiller is, but you can only get your water temperature within 5 degree of ambient air temperature with this method so only people in specific climates may benefit from it. And, you can use a pool as you have mentioned but be sure to have an inline filter that removes the chlorine from the water before it hits the heat exchanger or you will have a green pool from the leached copper.
@willyjones7 Correct, the Ice Boxes will NOT work without a chiller or other cold water source. We would recommend a 1HP Chillking chiller for 2000w in order to provide cooling for the lights and a/c for the room.
@CDXXbuds People have been doing this for years...nothing new. If you live in a cold climate you shouldn't even need to use a chiller for a sealed water-cooled setup. We sell a compressorless chiller that uses 3 amps and cools 36k btu within 5 degrees of outdoor temperature. You should look in to that instead.
Why would I cool all the heat from the lights? That's rediculous! Exhaust the heat from the lights and just cool the garden's air and radiant heat from the light. Then you only need half the chiller and Ice Boxes. Don't get me wrong, its a great product, but the setup is rediculous. I'm going to use these in my new garden but you will not see me wasting money trying to cool the hottest part of the garden when I can just exhaust that heat and spend money just cooling my room.
@CDXXbuds Most professional gardeners grow in a sealed environment to keep in odor and to not waste c02. When ducting air in and out of the garden this is nearly impossible. Also you are having to cut massive holes in the walls or celings of the garden for air ducting, this can be avoided using our setup. Also relying on outdoor air to cool your lights puts you at the mercy of the elements. This includes flucuations in heat and humidity which will effect your garden.
you have a copper heat exchanger coil in your rez. Copper in a low pH solution will leach and is a very bad idea. Never have copper in your nut's solution.
Really clean and cool setup you have!Made me want to build a sealed room!
I have a question: From perspective of pure physics, how is chiller more efficient than A/C?
In both cases heat absorption is performed by the freon filled radiator of chiller or ac unit.
Ice box does the same thing as A/C used directly in the room-it cools air blown through it. And how much heat it absorbs depends on btu rating of water chiller which is functionally identical to ac. Correct me if i am wrong. Thanks!
@greenvertical Please visit our website and click on the articles tab at the top. Scroll down towards the bottom of the page and open the article titled "Chillout: Water Chillers Explained", which will give you much more info on the difference between a/c's and chillers than I can give on this site. Also, keep your eyes open for some new videos where we will run specific tests of the efficiency of chillers vs. a/c's.
What an amazing and beautiful system. I was looking at this in the NGW catalog and the products coming out as far as cooling are simply amazing. Your system puts air cooled to shame. From top to bottom that was so amazing and clean. I am sure anyone who is an indoor gardening person can appreciate how cool this stuff is (no pun intended).
@on3sayjon You will need a 2HP Chillking chiller. You will only be removing CO2 if you are exhausting the air from the lights, but if you are watercooling them then you would just be scrubbing the room with the filter attached to the lights.
Is there any condensation that builds up in the ice boxs? Just wondering because the fan pushing the air through would most likely blow the condensation through as well which would hit the bulbs?? i was looking at getting this product line using two 8in ice boxs for two 600w lights and using in conjunction with that a 8in fan/carbon filter, first do you think that would be over kill? and would the ice box have any affect on the life time of the carbon filter, ie it getting wet/moist? thanks
@ChurnN55 As far as your lights, you would be ok using 1-8" Ice Box with 2 600w. And just place the filter at the beginning of your run of lights to avoid any moisture from entering the filter if you were to experience condensation.
If all you want to do is handle the heat from the lights then you would only need a 1/2HP Chillking chiller, but if you want to add a/c to the room via the Ice Boxes I would recommend a 1HP Chillking.
@ChurnN55 Any condensation is going to be relative to the dewpoint of your room. You can google dewpoint calculator and use the dpcalc.org link to calculate the dewpoint of your room. Anything that is below the dewpoint will condensate, so as long as you set your chiller above your dewpoint you will not have condensation.
@varndizzle125 You really want to focus more on matching your chiller size to your heat load. If your chiller is sized properly, then usually you won't ever need a reservoir any larger than 55-75 gallons and in some cases you can go all the way down to 16 gallons depending on the system type and size.
@OperationGreenOps You should be able to get one from your local retail shop, but if you don't have a shop that you use locally, you can get them online from watercooledgardens com .
If noise is a problem then a duct muffler can be used or the fan can be put on a fan speed controller so that when cooling is not needed the fans will be at an idle, also if you are only cooling the lights and not the room the fans can be turned off during the dark cycle. Also keep in mind that these fans are in a sealed room, the ducting for them does not discharge outdoors which makes it much quiter than a typical setup.
With 4 1000 watt, 4 8" icebox. Question will one 8" fan be sufficient for air flow or should i bump up to 10 inch fan and run thru the 8'' hoods? That would give me about 1000 fpm? Im running off stanard water source?
If you are just trying to cool the light and they are all 8" reflectors you should be fine with an 8" fan. If you are trying to add cooling to the room I would step up to the 10".
It might be possible but not recommended. Putting a 1k watt bulb that close to your plants usually yields detrimental results. I'm not saying it won't grow but the stressof the radiant heat would slow the growth, especially if not using co2. I would recommend 20" for optimal results. Less is more in this instance.
Radiant heat is from radiation from the bulb itself, it is not cooled by the air and passes straight through the glass. So no matter how cold the air is that you pass over the bulb there will always be radiant heat to deal with. This radiant heat is actually good for the ripening in small doses.
Yes I know, we are the inverntors and manufacturers of the heat shield too. Although we would like to sell heat shields to every customer the truth is for a sealed water-cooled setup they are not necessary. The shields are much more beneficial to people using outdoor air to cool their lights, this way the heat can't enter the room. For a water-cooled setup your are cooling all the BTU's in the room one way or another. So there isn't a need to contain these BTU's in the air.
I have one of the Growzilla dual lamp light reflectors with 2 1000 watt hps. What would be the recommended setting to lower the reflector as low as possible? How cool is it possible to get the reflector glass? I will be running a 1/4 hp chiller with a 1000 cfm fan. Thinking about running the rez temp at around 40-50.
Well...to cool it properly you would need an 8" Ice Box since you are cooling 2 bulbs with it. Also you will need either a 1/2 HP ChillKing chiller OR a 1 hp from another manufacturer if you want to keep the water cool...1/4 HP is not even close. Two 1k watt lamps makes 8,000 BTU, a 1/4 HP chiller puts out 2,500 BTU of cooling at best. If you want to use the sytem as the a/c too your chiller would need to be even bigger. Water should be between 50-65F degrees depending on humidity levels.
Can you use the icebox to cool the air going into the reflector. Say i only have one grow light, can I but the icebox at the intake creating a "air conditioning" effect on the reflectors enclosure?
Absolutely, just as long as you don't have any condensation that can get blown in to the reflector. If your humidity is at or below 50% you won't have ANY problems with condensation.
Air conditioning will dehumidify the tent as a side effect. This system will add humidity to the tent. Dehumidifying air also requires a lot of energy and the process generates heat. Running a 3 horse pump must draw even more than a 1000W ballast. I bet pushing air through all those cooling boxes also becomes significant for a true comparison.
This system doesn't add humidity to the room, it is a completely sealed system. If it is condensating it is actually taking humidity out of the air. We sell water-cooled dehumidifiers that take care of the heat...in fact our dehumidifiers blow out cold air adding to the air conditioning. We were not using a 3hp pump, it is a 1/2 HP...we used a 3hp chiller. Even with the pump and dehumidifiers running we can reduce a/c energy usage by 40%, just can't beat that.
It does cost more than a traditional system but the advantages outweigh the additional costs. The ability to control your temperatures makes happy and more productive plants, you can grow in the summer no matter where you live, and significanty saves you energy even allowing an extra light without raising your energy bill. It is the most flexible cooling system offered for gardening allowing you to add new cooling components without needing an a/c technician. Thanks for the comment.
I'm assuming a few things here...you are using the ballast outside the tent, the tent is being used indoors and lastly that the chiller will be put outside away from the tent.
We would recommend using a 1/2 HP ChillKing chiller or a 1 HP chiller of another brand, a 1/6th or 3/10th HP sump pump, and a 30 gallon res. If using a 6" reflectors 2 Ice Boxes would be preferable, with 8" reflectors one would be fine. If using (2) 6" you can run with a higher water temperature for the same results.
Ok, I just saw both videos and i'm loving it! I have been intrested in this product for a while & ready to incorparate it with the rest of my equiptment..here is what i have..a homebox xl tent,(56"x56"x78.75") a radiant 6 A/C reflector, 1000hps hortilux, SP TD-150 6" inline fan,(293cfm max, for light) reflector & fan heat shld, insul ductin, can 66 filter, windtunnel 6 fan,(440cfm)ect..my ? is should I use 1 or 2 ice boxes to cool light and act as an ac for room? & what size chiller, res & pump
I have an ice box and plan on doing a vid on your product. Since it is a running system I can't play with it to much but the chiller is a 1/2 hp set at 67degrees Fahrenheit, 300 gph pump, 25 gallon resiviore the temp averages79 degrees. My next venture is to use a 800gph pump and see how it works then, i'll keep you posted. i like the ice box, I just haven't figured out how to get room to 77 without lowering water temp. might try more air flow (300cfm now). still i give it7 outta 10.
Let us help make it a 10. In order to increase your cooling without lowering your water temp you would need to increase the efficiency of your heat exchange in your garden. This can be done by increasing the airflow, increasing the water flow, or adding an additional Ice Box. All three of the suggestions will bring your room temperature closer to your water temperature. Using the Ice Box to a/c your room can absoultely be done but might require some tweaking to get it just right. Great comment!
I'm a little confused. How is that first light cooled by the Ice Box if the Box is located on the outtake?
EyeThirdThe 2 hours ago
i just got a ice box heat exchanger, but didnt realize i would need 3/4 hp chiller to cool my 3k flower room efficently?.....or can i get more heat exchangers and daisy chain them together off one 1/4 hp chiller? cause if i need 1/4 hp chilling power PER LIGHT, thats gonna cost ALOT more than i expected, and will prolly be returning your products...
Bublonichronic2 3 weeks ago
@Bublonichronic2 You are correct that you would need a MINIMUM of 1/4 ton per light to cool the room. No, you cannot just add heat exchanger to obtain more cooling capacity, sorry it doesn't work like that.
sbkeen 3 weeks ago
@sbkeen damn man....you think a 3/4 hp chiller will still use less energy than a couple intake/exhauast fans, and a 14000 BTU A/c? 3/4 hp chiller runs at what 4.4 amps? and a a/c at like 3.5b righ? also, just wonderin what you think about making a DIY chiller out of a deep freezer? like runnin coiling in it and makin water pass through that b4 it hits the ice box? sorry for all the questions, tryn to get my shit right on the cheap!
Bublonichronic2 2 weeks ago
@Bublonichronic2 The amount of energy that you will use, will be dependent upon the brand of chiller and the brand of a/c, and what type of compressor is used in each. As far as the DIY chiller out of a deep freeze, more than likely the compressor on the deep freeze will not have substantial output to give you the results you are looking for. Most freezers have a small (~1000 BTU) compressor, but very heavy insulation with no heat load to achieve very low temperatures.
sbkeen 2 weeks ago
@sbkeen right on bro, i must say, i appreciate your honesty and advice, peace
Bublonichronic2 2 weeks ago
I can not stop watching these videos! They have really helped me with planning my new setup. I have just about everything I need. 4 Iceboxes for 4 hoods, hydro gen pro, and a chiller.
Gotta ask, what type of pump are you using to force the water through your chiller, res, and ice boxes?
busycloud77 4 weeks ago
@busycloud77 We are using a 1/2 HP Flotec inline pump.
sbkeen 4 weeks ago
Do you have to get all that stuff? I have a small indoor garden using a 250w light, my ambient temps are on the hot side so with my inline fan on It's capping at 85 deg. Could I just get a res and the ice box 6" and pull off that? I would think it would go ice box - light(cool tube) - then fan pulling air from both.
enigmasfriend 1 month ago
@enigmasfriend You would want to use a 1/4 HP chiller, and swap your light and Ice Box in your setup mentioned above to maximize heat removal.
sbkeen 1 month ago
@sbkeen What is that? Is that the icebox? I'm not trying to spand a lot of money on this, I was thinking of just getting the ice box heat exchanger, a 50 gal res and a pump to fit it all. But you're saying I should put it between my light and fan? Also my fan vents into the attic, but with the I.B. in between the two you think it'll cool my grow cab down?
enigmasfriend 1 month ago
@enigmasfriend The chiller is a separate item called a "water-chiller". I was unaware that you vent to the attic. If you vent air from your cab to the attic then the Ice Box will not benefit your temperatures, because the Ice Box is designed to be run in a recirculating air setup.
sbkeen 1 month ago
What is this doing EXACTLY? Is it just reducing the amount of heat produced by the light?
Also is there a complete kit that you can purchase?
WholeTruthZ 1 month ago
@WholeTruthZ It is removing the heat from the lights and tent via the water that is pumped through the Ice Box. Everyone's garden is slightly different, so there is no set kit that works for everyone, but if you contact our office via email or phone we can provide you with an equipment list for your room.
sbkeen 1 month ago
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WholeTruthZ 1 month ago
Thanks for the heads up on the copper coil. I'll change it out for the stainless ASAP. Keep out the grate work you have some of the "COOLEST" products. No punn. Have a safe holiday.
baseballDUDE32 2 months ago
Your cooling system is a grate way to go.
If you get a chance check out my indoor grow room. Thanks
baseballDUDE32 2 months ago
@baseballDUDE32 Very clean setup in your video. The only thing that I will say is that you may want to change out the copper coil that you are using for a stainless steel coil as your nutrient solution can slowly leach copper into solution. But, other than that a very clean and impressive setup. Keep up the awesome work.
sbkeen 2 months ago
How do those ice boxes work at water cooling the lights? And is this setup effective with a "sealed" room?
KrayzieDA 3 months ago
@KrayzieDA You have the fan pull the hot air from the hood across the Icebox, which has cold water passing through it, and the heat is transferred from the air into the water and pumped back to the chiller. This type of setup can be very effective in a "sealed" room if setup correctly.
sbkeen 3 months ago
@sbkeen And there's never any co2 loss either?As theres no air exchange only water cooling going on?
Thanks for the quick reply :)
KrayzieDA 2 months ago
@KrayzieDA Correct. But, most people still will have an intake and exhaust to bring in fresh air once a day.
sbkeen 2 months ago
@sbkeen what controller/timer can I use for them? And what are those covers called that seal the fans when they aren't running?
KrayzieDA 2 months ago
@KrayzieDA As for a controller/timer for the fan that is attached to the Ice Boxes you would want to use the Ice Box Thermostat. If you need a controller/timer for intake/exhaust fan any timer will do. As far as the covers that seal the fans when they aren't running, I think you are referring to the backdraft dampers.
sbkeen 2 months ago
@sbkeen Alright all sounds good.And yeah backdraft damper :P
KrayzieDA 2 months ago
@sbkeen Heres another question that just came to mind.You said in one of your vids to keep the chiller outside but can I just keep it in another room in the house with a window open? And I should be able to do that while keeping my room sealed correct? Just seal up the exits for the manifolds is what I'm guessing.
KrayzieDA 2 months ago
@KrayzieDA We never recommend placing the chiller inside, because we can't guarantee the BTU output of the unit when it is placed indoors due to the fact that the units are tested outdoors with unlimited ventilation. That being said, if you can provide enough ventilation to the unit that you do not restrict its exhaust in any way then you should be able to run the unit efficiently indoors.
sbkeen 2 months ago
sick setup . . . great explanation as well. I was on the fence but now I am definitely going with the chillers over AC
kushtastick 7 months ago
@kushtastick Thanks!! Please contact us if you have any questions.
sbkeen 7 months ago
We agree with you about the fans for circulation. We just built this as a display for our products and not an actual functioning garden at the trade show that year.
sbkeen 9 months ago
looks nice and all but i would still put a couple a big fanns on the wall for better air circulation.
tmdkaaskop 9 months ago
Whats the pump Gph for a system like this?
GardenerofZion 1 year ago
One thing I wish more people would talk about is the use of a radiator before the chiller. Obviously located outside the grow room, or better yet heating your pool in the winter:D
givinlivin 1 year ago
@givinlivin Yes, that is essentially what our compressorless chiller is, but you can only get your water temperature within 5 degree of ambient air temperature with this method so only people in specific climates may benefit from it. And, you can use a pool as you have mentioned but be sure to have an inline filter that removes the chlorine from the water before it hits the heat exchanger or you will have a green pool from the leached copper.
sbkeen 1 year ago
if you are worried about getting cought... this is the way to go! unless you can bury your op and cover with a 3ft deep pond.
2tallbrandon 1 year ago
I sooo want to farm but my gf won't let me.
DSCKSR 1 year ago
@DSCKSR Dump her, TRUST ME!
givinlivin 1 year ago
@DSCKSR time to get a new one. dont something like a woman stop you from doing things you want to do. your way or the highway.
skiweeds 11 months ago
how many cfm's would you recommend to cool 2 1000 watt lamps assuming I'm using the ice boxes as well?
willyjones7 1 year ago
@willyjones7 You want to figure about 250 CFM per Ice Box. We would recommend a Max Fan 8", but any fan with 500-700 CFM would be fine.
sbkeen 1 year ago
A couple questions
These ice boxes wouldn't work without the chiller correct?
and how big of a chiller would you recommend for 2000 watts,
and how close could you bring your lights to the plants with a system like this
willyjones7 1 year ago
@willyjones7 Correct, the Ice Boxes will NOT work without a chiller or other cold water source. We would recommend a 1HP Chillking chiller for 2000w in order to provide cooling for the lights and a/c for the room.
sbkeen 1 year ago
@willyjones7 It is 6-1000w lamps.
sbkeen 1 year ago
Not only that but, in the winter, I will use the lights' exhausted heat to warm my house.
CDXXbuds 1 year ago
@CDXXbuds People have been doing this for years...nothing new. If you live in a cold climate you shouldn't even need to use a chiller for a sealed water-cooled setup. We sell a compressorless chiller that uses 3 amps and cools 36k btu within 5 degrees of outdoor temperature. You should look in to that instead.
sbkeen 1 year ago
@sbkeen Thanks man. I certainly will look into that. Your products look amazing. I will be getting one of your 2HP window units this spring.
CDXXbuds 1 year ago
Why would I cool all the heat from the lights? That's rediculous! Exhaust the heat from the lights and just cool the garden's air and radiant heat from the light. Then you only need half the chiller and Ice Boxes. Don't get me wrong, its a great product, but the setup is rediculous. I'm going to use these in my new garden but you will not see me wasting money trying to cool the hottest part of the garden when I can just exhaust that heat and spend money just cooling my room.
CDXXbuds 1 year ago
@CDXXbuds Most professional gardeners grow in a sealed environment to keep in odor and to not waste c02. When ducting air in and out of the garden this is nearly impossible. Also you are having to cut massive holes in the walls or celings of the garden for air ducting, this can be avoided using our setup. Also relying on outdoor air to cool your lights puts you at the mercy of the elements. This includes flucuations in heat and humidity which will effect your garden.
sbkeen 1 year ago
The coil that we sell is actually stainless steel even though leaching was really minimal on the copper coils that we tested.
sbkeen 1 year ago
you have a copper heat exchanger coil in your rez. Copper in a low pH solution will leach and is a very bad idea. Never have copper in your nut's solution.
bdhcarbon 1 year ago
@sldunn01 Sorry, the unit needs to have clearance as I have stated on all sides except for the back of the unit.
sbkeen 1 year ago
@sbkeen Meaning it needs to be hung in the center of the area?
sldunn01 1 year ago
I have a question about the hydrogen minigen. Can it be used safely in a 24 cubic foot area?
Thanks
sldunn01 1 year ago
@sldunn01 It will be ok if you have a minimum of 16" clearance between the ceiling and top of the unit, and a minimum of 6" on all other sides.
sbkeen 1 year ago
what kind of tent is this?
epicseeds 1 year ago
@epicseeds It is 10'X10' Growlab.
sbkeen 1 year ago
Hey dude you need a link to your website in the description area, much easier to get to you that way.
Cheers
hatchi58 1 year ago
@hatchi58 If you click on "sbkeen" it will take you to our youtube homepage which has the link to our webpage on it.
Best Regards
sbkeen 1 year ago
I'll give you a tenner for the lot!
knottyjohnnydirty 1 year ago
Hey,
Really clean and cool setup you have!Made me want to build a sealed room!
I have a question: From perspective of pure physics, how is chiller more efficient than A/C?
In both cases heat absorption is performed by the freon filled radiator of chiller or ac unit.
Ice box does the same thing as A/C used directly in the room-it cools air blown through it. And how much heat it absorbs depends on btu rating of water chiller which is functionally identical to ac. Correct me if i am wrong. Thanks!
greenvertical 1 year ago
@greenvertical Please visit our website and click on the articles tab at the top. Scroll down towards the bottom of the page and open the article titled "Chillout: Water Chillers Explained", which will give you much more info on the difference between a/c's and chillers than I can give on this site. Also, keep your eyes open for some new videos where we will run specific tests of the efficiency of chillers vs. a/c's.
sbkeen 1 year ago
What an amazing and beautiful system. I was looking at this in the NGW catalog and the products coming out as far as cooling are simply amazing. Your system puts air cooled to shame. From top to bottom that was so amazing and clean. I am sure anyone who is an indoor gardening person can appreciate how cool this stuff is (no pun intended).
coveredinblood1111 1 year ago
Hey SBKEEN i am currently Setting up a room with 4K watts. I am going to water cool my lights.
What size Chiller do you recommend the only AC i will have will be the house AC.
Also If i attach a carbon filter to vent the lights will i be sucking out any Co2??
on3sayjon 1 year ago
@on3sayjon You will need a 2HP Chillking chiller. You will only be removing CO2 if you are exhausting the air from the lights, but if you are watercooling them then you would just be scrubbing the room with the filter attached to the lights.
sbkeen 1 year ago
Is there any condensation that builds up in the ice boxs? Just wondering because the fan pushing the air through would most likely blow the condensation through as well which would hit the bulbs?? i was looking at getting this product line using two 8in ice boxs for two 600w lights and using in conjunction with that a 8in fan/carbon filter, first do you think that would be over kill? and would the ice box have any affect on the life time of the carbon filter, ie it getting wet/moist? thanks
ChurnN55 1 year ago
@sbkeen as well if you could what kind of chiller would you reccomend for this size setup?? much thanks
ChurnN55 1 year ago
@ChurnN55 As far as your lights, you would be ok using 1-8" Ice Box with 2 600w. And just place the filter at the beginning of your run of lights to avoid any moisture from entering the filter if you were to experience condensation.
If all you want to do is handle the heat from the lights then you would only need a 1/2HP Chillking chiller, but if you want to add a/c to the room via the Ice Boxes I would recommend a 1HP Chillking.
sbkeen 1 year ago
@ChurnN55 Any condensation is going to be relative to the dewpoint of your room. You can google dewpoint calculator and use the dpcalc.org link to calculate the dewpoint of your room. Anything that is below the dewpoint will condensate, so as long as you set your chiller above your dewpoint you will not have condensation.
sbkeen 1 year ago
@varndizzle125 You really want to focus more on matching your chiller size to your heat load. If your chiller is sized properly, then usually you won't ever need a reservoir any larger than 55-75 gallons and in some cases you can go all the way down to 16 gallons depending on the system type and size.
sbkeen 1 year ago
where can i get that coil?
OperationGreenOps 1 year ago
@OperationGreenOps You should be able to get one from your local retail shop, but if you don't have a shop that you use locally, you can get them online from watercooledgardens com .
sbkeen 1 year ago
What sort of tubing do you use?
WarMonkey99 1 year ago
@WarMonkey99 We use 1/2" heavy duty, kink-resistant/temperature-resistant tubing.
sbkeen 1 year ago
i have almost every peice of equipment u just displayed can't wait to start using it
86collind 1 year ago
holly fucking shit brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bushnewman 1 year ago
what does that cost?
deadsaid 1 year ago
@deadsaid go to watercooledgardens com for pricing on all of the Hydro Innvoations products.
sbkeen 1 year ago
Nice set up,whats the cost of such a unit for say a 1000wattHPS ?
SuriKartel 1 year ago
What kind of fan were you using behind that ice box?
lazarra101 1 year ago
@lazarra101 We were using an 8" Max-Fan made by can Fan.
sbkeen 1 year ago
If noise is a problem then a duct muffler can be used or the fan can be put on a fan speed controller so that when cooling is not needed the fans will be at an idle, also if you are only cooling the lights and not the room the fans can be turned off during the dark cycle. Also keep in mind that these fans are in a sealed room, the ducting for them does not discharge outdoors which makes it much quiter than a typical setup.
sbkeen 1 year ago
THAT IS TO LOUD. Noise is a problem for many people.
purehotup 1 year ago
@purehotup styrofoam is cheap and efective
TheUnknownGrower 1 year ago
With 4 1000 watt, 4 8" icebox. Question will one 8" fan be sufficient for air flow or should i bump up to 10 inch fan and run thru the 8'' hoods? That would give me about 1000 fpm? Im running off stanard water source?
fishhawkdog 2 years ago
If you are just trying to cool the light and they are all 8" reflectors you should be fine with an 8" fan. If you are trying to add cooling to the room I would step up to the 10".
sbkeen 2 years ago
WOW Thanks for that fast response i will go with the 10" new max by can. THanks mush. Great products by the way.
Have a great weekend
fishhawkdog 2 years ago
Hey there sbkeen. Definitely diggin' this system you are promoting. It is incredible.
My question is this. Where is the best place to look for all the components your company carries? Can I get them all from 1 distributor?
specialcrunch 2 years ago
@specialcrunch Hydrofarm sells all Hydro innovations products
Don612Juan 2 years ago
Thank you for your reply. One one question, given optimal conditions, how low above the plant canopy could i have the light? Would 6-8in be possible?
thanks!
sldunn01 2 years ago
It might be possible but not recommended. Putting a 1k watt bulb that close to your plants usually yields detrimental results. I'm not saying it won't grow but the stressof the radiant heat would slow the growth, especially if not using co2. I would recommend 20" for optimal results. Less is more in this instance.
sbkeen 2 years ago
Radiant heat is from radiation from the bulb itself, it is not cooled by the air and passes straight through the glass. So no matter how cold the air is that you pass over the bulb there will always be radiant heat to deal with. This radiant heat is actually good for the ripening in small doses.
sbkeen 2 years ago
@sbkeen you can actually buy a setup with a cover over the bulb and the light remains totally cool because of this
purehotup 1 year ago
Yes I know, we are the inverntors and manufacturers of the heat shield too. Although we would like to sell heat shields to every customer the truth is for a sealed water-cooled setup they are not necessary. The shields are much more beneficial to people using outdoor air to cool their lights, this way the heat can't enter the room. For a water-cooled setup your are cooling all the BTU's in the room one way or another. So there isn't a need to contain these BTU's in the air.
sbkeen 1 year ago
@sbkeen Thank you. So with the heat shield. Whats the recommended distance of light from plant?
purehotup 1 year ago
I have one of the Growzilla dual lamp light reflectors with 2 1000 watt hps. What would be the recommended setting to lower the reflector as low as possible? How cool is it possible to get the reflector glass? I will be running a 1/4 hp chiller with a 1000 cfm fan. Thinking about running the rez temp at around 40-50.
sldunn01 2 years ago
Well...to cool it properly you would need an 8" Ice Box since you are cooling 2 bulbs with it. Also you will need either a 1/2 HP ChillKing chiller OR a 1 hp from another manufacturer if you want to keep the water cool...1/4 HP is not even close. Two 1k watt lamps makes 8,000 BTU, a 1/4 HP chiller puts out 2,500 BTU of cooling at best. If you want to use the sytem as the a/c too your chiller would need to be even bigger. Water should be between 50-65F degrees depending on humidity levels.
sbkeen 2 years ago
Can you use the icebox to cool the air going into the reflector. Say i only have one grow light, can I but the icebox at the intake creating a "air conditioning" effect on the reflectors enclosure?
sldunn01 2 years ago
Absolutely, just as long as you don't have any condensation that can get blown in to the reflector. If your humidity is at or below 50% you won't have ANY problems with condensation.
sbkeen 2 years ago
Air conditioning will dehumidify the tent as a side effect. This system will add humidity to the tent. Dehumidifying air also requires a lot of energy and the process generates heat. Running a 3 horse pump must draw even more than a 1000W ballast. I bet pushing air through all those cooling boxes also becomes significant for a true comparison.
Gojigwr 2 years ago
This system doesn't add humidity to the room, it is a completely sealed system. If it is condensating it is actually taking humidity out of the air. We sell water-cooled dehumidifiers that take care of the heat...in fact our dehumidifiers blow out cold air adding to the air conditioning. We were not using a 3hp pump, it is a 1/2 HP...we used a 3hp chiller. Even with the pump and dehumidifiers running we can reduce a/c energy usage by 40%, just can't beat that.
sbkeen 2 years ago
It does cost more than a traditional system but the advantages outweigh the additional costs. The ability to control your temperatures makes happy and more productive plants, you can grow in the summer no matter where you live, and significanty saves you energy even allowing an extra light without raising your energy bill. It is the most flexible cooling system offered for gardening allowing you to add new cooling components without needing an a/c technician. Thanks for the comment.
sbkeen 2 years ago
jesus christ this is incredible, but I bet it' cost a ton.
immapwner 2 years ago
I'm assuming a few things here...you are using the ballast outside the tent, the tent is being used indoors and lastly that the chiller will be put outside away from the tent.
We would recommend using a 1/2 HP ChillKing chiller or a 1 HP chiller of another brand, a 1/6th or 3/10th HP sump pump, and a 30 gallon res. If using a 6" reflectors 2 Ice Boxes would be preferable, with 8" reflectors one would be fine. If using (2) 6" you can run with a higher water temperature for the same results.
sbkeen 2 years ago
Ok, I just saw both videos and i'm loving it! I have been intrested in this product for a while & ready to incorparate it with the rest of my equiptment..here is what i have..a homebox xl tent,(56"x56"x78.75") a radiant 6 A/C reflector, 1000hps hortilux, SP TD-150 6" inline fan,(293cfm max, for light) reflector & fan heat shld, insul ductin, can 66 filter, windtunnel 6 fan,(440cfm)ect..my ? is should I use 1 or 2 ice boxes to cool light and act as an ac for room? & what size chiller, res & pump
paperchsn69 2 years ago
I have an ice box and plan on doing a vid on your product. Since it is a running system I can't play with it to much but the chiller is a 1/2 hp set at 67degrees Fahrenheit, 300 gph pump, 25 gallon resiviore the temp averages79 degrees. My next venture is to use a 800gph pump and see how it works then, i'll keep you posted. i like the ice box, I just haven't figured out how to get room to 77 without lowering water temp. might try more air flow (300cfm now). still i give it7 outta 10.
l13l13l 2 years ago
Let us help make it a 10. In order to increase your cooling without lowering your water temp you would need to increase the efficiency of your heat exchange in your garden. This can be done by increasing the airflow, increasing the water flow, or adding an additional Ice Box. All three of the suggestions will bring your room temperature closer to your water temperature. Using the Ice Box to a/c your room can absoultely be done but might require some tweaking to get it just right. Great comment!
sbkeen 2 years ago
Awesome! Heat is the nemesis of the indoor gardener and this is such an efficient way of dealing with it. Kudos to Hydro Innovations!
dfoxmaster 2 years ago