2009 World Pro BJJ Cup Under 65kg Final: Rafael Mendes vs. Rubens Cobrinha

[TheJohnson022]

Pra quem não entende o que é Jiu Jitsu acha que é amarração

[jiujitsuroxsox]

@poganla123 u can stall in mma

[salazeta]

alguém poderia me explicar pq o Mendes ganhou? o Cobrinha foi desclassificado pq?

vale galera abraço.

[bootyluva]

What the hell. Jiu jitsu is for fighting not getting tangled up and getting points.

[jiujitsuroxsox]

Y r ppl mad about this game? It's a technical SPORT bjj match - not wrestling, vale tudo, or mma not even any of the other thing ppl said in the comments! If u don't like it find a new hobby!! It's not like anyone in a million yers will ever be good enough to submit either one of these ppl - which is y these matches are so technical! This is slick technical SPORT bjj! SPORT bjj! SPORT

[jiujitsuroxsox]

@pedroivosa so your argument is because 50/50 is hard to pass it should be banished? I can't pass open guard easily does tht mean I should try to banish open guard? How bout my half guard in my last 2 tournmenrs combined no one fully passed my half guard. Should they banish tht to. A tight triangle is hard to base up in I guess they should banish tht. S mount is hard to escape let's get rid of tht!!!!!! Learn to expand not complain

[alexandre025530]

pow 50/50 e muito bom pra se usar e tao da ora que os irmaos miyoo so uza ela e ganha absoluto com ela

[limalimao28]

a 50/50 parece dança do acasalamento...Mendes curte acasalar e não lutar..=]

[limalimao28]

50/50 = amarração



[TheGarbagebelly]

These guys DO NOT like each other :) 50/50 should not be banned, and I believe EVERY submission should be allowed at the black belt level...EVERY submission. neck cranks, heel hooks, you name it. 50/50 is "boring" but it's something you have to prevent and escape and play with. These things make the game more interesting to me. Watch a real arte suave fighter like Marcelinho or Jacare Souza; they aren't messing around with legs locks, they pass guard/sweep & submit, and they ESCAPE 50/50

[pedroivosa]

@TheGarbagebelly

This is a sport, not a "Vale Tudo". You can't do neck cranks because it's dangeours to health ;P

[pedroivosa]

This guard: 50/50 should be Banished!!!!!!! This is a boring game and almost impossible to escape.

Essa porra dessa guarda tinha que ser banida!!!! amarrona demais

[2submit]

when they post real low reminds me of tho tarantulas fighting

[lucas84126]

os 2 melhores do mundo

na categoria tinha q ser brazuka e nois

[ichujini]

When it comes to finals, i think you should go with whatever will get you the win. Yes, not as entertaining, but would you have done differently against Cobrinha in the FINALS? These are elite athletes, not WWE entertainers. Although, I still think points < Submission. :) Everybody likes to see a finish.

[black0Rsnap]

When is the next ADCC? i cannot find it on the internet

[CassianoWeissheimer]

ô luta amarrada da porra

[giovaniabomai]

mendes is shit

[ph33ric]

bunk.

[snackguilherme]

a melhor luta cara !

[GrahamPeckhamBJJ]

they need to mute the speaking...wow, video would be 10x better if i could understand what their saying.

[bagelgod]

Go ahead and try to punch someone who has you in 50/50. You're just going to annoy the guy who's applying an inverse heel hook on you, tell me how that goes.

(Hint: See Imanari fights. Everybody limps when they're done fighting him.)

[woolrocks]

@bagelgod Don't get me wrong, I'm a blue belt in BJJ and I have been training for 3 years. But look at all the BJJ blackbelts who transition to MMA and easily get ko'd on the ground. Guards like 50/50 guard, half guard and x-guard are NOT effective in high level MMA. Defense is just as important as offense, and those guards do not have great potential for defense. Sure, some guys make good use of those guards, but they are ACTIVE, and not stalling!

[speshalsauz]

@woolrocks What BJJ black belts are you talking about that easily get KO'd on the ground? I'd like to know who they are.

[giovaniabomai]

que luta chata

[240kankan]

ugly game.why not just punch his face?

[rollinaldo]

amarrajitsu

#boring

[chesterfieldking]

double butt scoot ftw

[bagelgod]

To the guys who think it's so cheap: If cobrinha can't get out of it, if he can't pass, and won't give up the sweep, then he should lose! If he had let Mendes sweep him earlier he wouldn't be stuck in 50/50, and could try to work his own bottom game. Sometimes you gotta give up a battle to win the war. Instead he was stubborn and paid the price.

[woolrocks]

@bagelgod BJJ should be about attacking, not stalling in 50/50 guard. Don't get me wrong, it can be very offensive if subs and sweeps are done. No problem with that guard in particular, but people need to attack and not be content to stall. The guy on top should always maintain position regardless if it's sport BJJ or a self defense situation, top is always more advantageous. Adding some punches to the equation immediately changes the guard and stalling is punished by a blow to the face.

[DannyDaBaga]

@woolrocks You're retarded.

[woolrocks]

@DannyDaBaga How so? BJJ is supposed to be an art of self defense. Positions in BJJ are rewarded by points where you have a) the most opportunity for control, and submission and b) the least likelihood that you'll get hit. 50/50 guard meets none of those criteria. Mount and back are the rewarded the most points because of this. If you're on the bottom, you should be playing guard as if your opponent can hit you. You should be trying to stand up, sweep, or submit and not just sit there and stall.

[DannyDaBaga]

@woolrocks That isn't how the point system works. I dont know what kind of BJJ you're doing but in the many comps. ive been to, it is not based off of chances to get hit. The closest to that is advantages for almost completing a submission. You seem like one of those Cage Heads that try to MMA everything. If you actually trained your ass off to try to win one of these tournaments. I'm pretty sure you would do w/e you could to stop your opponent from scoring points on you in the last minutes.

[woolrocks]

@DannyDaBagaI'm a blue belt in BJJ. I've been training for 3 years now. The points system by the IBJJF was created with the things that I've mentioned in mind. Think about it: You get the most points for being in mount and back control because you have control of your opponent. Controlling the opponent limits your chances of being hit! Side Control doesn't get as many points because there is more opportunity for being hit and losing control! BJJ is a submission art, not a points art!

[DannyDaBaga]

@woolrocks This IBBJF sounds retarded. Like one tournament I went to conducted by cage heads that allowed slamming and gave no points for any positions. Only for takedowns and reversals. GAY.

[woolrocks]

@DannyDaBaga IBJJF is the International Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Federation. You seem to be a BJJ guy, and I'd expect you to know that. They are the organization that run the Worlds, and other major BJJ tournaments around the world. Some BJJ tournaments do allow slamming as a viable way to get out of submission- look up International Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and the tournaments they host. Point is, if some one is standing up and going to slam you, let go! Stand up! Sit out! etc...

[getthetapjj]

Mendes was trying to transition to X-guard or the back the whole time while in 50/50 on bottom. That's why he keeps trying to swing out to the side and back, and insert his reverse butterfly hook. He almost gets it at 4:30, but Cobrinha is not giving up that transition. If he can't take Cobrinha's back, then he'll take the sweep if it presents itself. If you watch any of his or his brother's fights, that is what they do in this position.

[hillramez]

50/50 is bull shit its like the gayest thing ever invented it defets the whole perpose of jijitsu being the best for of street fighting seriuos mendes is a dick

[marceloecintia2]

massa!!!!!!!

[blindwonder]

I think until it gets developed a little better, that 50/50 guard is much cooler for no gi. Without the inverted heel hook, right now that guard is a little boring.

[rob2093124]

i wish they showed bjj matches on usa tv

[SuperSneakySteve]

I hate fights like this. He's just stalling and trying to win with a stupid sweep. They should fight to submit the guy not play this game.

[WelderGuy4130]

It is frustrating watching such talented BJJ players get thwarted by strange locked up positions like that. Whats more, is its becoming more and more common. Fighters getting one sweep, or take-down, and finding a funky position to stall out in, that appears to have no potential submissions, or transitions.

[mateah]

in case u haven noticed these feather and rooster weight guys very rearly pass eachothers guards because they are so skilled at recovering, and thats why you rarely see submission attempts because of the inability to pass guard..

but u see foot attacks very often just because u dont have to pass the guard to attack the legs

[OffspringFTW65]

@SuperSneakySteve I know, i wisht here were more submission only tournaments...there wud be like 5 10 min videos to cover one like this haha, iv heard of one that lasted for 3 hours too!

[SakoYo]

@SuperSneakySteve Jiujitsu guys should start playing that game against boring wrestlers at tournaments so they know how it feels like to get stalled out for the entire match and lose by 2 points.

[poganla123]

@SuperSneakySteve as long as thier sport jiu jitsu they will be people always fightiing for points and stalling, but in mma when your opponent can punch your fucking face in you have no choice but to fight back and attack

[DBKK]

@SuperSneakySteve seriously, compridos fights suck.

[decebal01]

pathetic. those guys have no idea of stand up fighting. their throwing abilities are not poor, they are not existent! pathetic!

[druryroflz]

This is not a judo competition.

[decebal01]

but as a "complete" grappler one should be able to now how to throw, don't you think? i also blame judokas which have only little skills in groundfighting. this is pure competitive sports, not the art of fighting.

why do you think that the guard (doesn't matter if it's closed, open, butterfly, spider, half or rubber) is so important? a succecfull throw will bring u in cross, side or full mount or knee on belly and not in guard.

[druryroflz]

I'm not entirely sure about Mendes' standing game but I know Cobrinha has quite good leg takedowns. And they are so good at sweeping that there is nothing wrong with them pulling guard.

[whiteboybjj]

With the rules of sport Jiu Jitsu, this is a very competitive match, not MMA. Many of these guys are pure BJJ and do not cross over to the MMA world while many others do. Your points is what? That BJJ is not real fighting? You are correct, this is the sport side, just like football is a sport. There are established rules for specific competitions.

[unitedseven7]

i m so confused

it is considered a sweep at 3 30

[MiauZi69]

who wasnt confused in this fight? Oo

[mateah]

maybe u were confused cause you dont undrstand jiu jitsu or any of the positions. i can tell you that there wasnt anything confusing in this fight

[mateah]

ofcourse its a sweep! for it to be considered a sweep u have to start in a bottom position in some sort of guard, and if you reverse so that you end on top then u have completed the sweep.

for example if you attack the omoplata and your opponent rolls out of it as a defense then you get points for the sweep.. (the opponts swept himself)

[MiauZi69]

Sry but I dont like this fighting style ... I wouldnt even call it fighting anylonger.

[mateah]

u just said it yourself..FIGHTINGSTYLE!!

[theboywithwings]

its not fighting its grappling

[robertirez]

your stupid

[quangngy]

Well, pretty much everyone in the UFC or any MMA organization would tell u otherwise.

[Alchy21]

ur american right?

[MiauZi69]

I know understand it, but I still think that this scoringsystem is silly. Thx for the explanation.

[mateah]

ur welcome.

but you also have to understand that there are jiu jitsu players that dont care about the points, they just go after submissions, to finish the fight asap. and many fighters are so interesting to watch cause they are so aggressive yet rediciusly technical...

[freeUSmind]

lame

[radamez85]

50/50 in my opinion is just like any other position a part of jiujitsu. it might not be pretty but its a fact we must live with it. I also believe the position is a very interesting one, and i love what the Mendes brothers are doing with it.

50/50, na minha opinião é igual a qualquer outro cargo uma parte do jiujitsu. ele pode não ser bonito, mas é um facto temos de viver com ela. Creio também que a posição é muito interessante, e eu amo o que os irmãos Mendes estão fazendo com ele.

[osiellee]

q luta chata da peste! guarda horrivel

[jahzera2]

cara, essa guarda eh feia demais, mas sei la, tem gente que se sente confortavel com ela e aplica, ta pra gosto individual

[dasflip]

é só o cobrinha ir pra chave de panturilha. nao quis arriscar...perdeu

[jer1901]

essa guarda 50/50 e horrorosa.. pode ate ser uma inovaçao i tal mas e muito feia cara. a luta fica amarrada sim nem adianta falar que nao fica, e so olhar i ver q fica..

mas pelos resultados parece ser muito eficiente pois os irmaos mendes vem se destacando no mundo d jiu jitsu usando essa guarda!

assim como guarda aranha um dia foi uma inovaçao a 50/50 e a mais nova! realmente quem compete vai ter que aprender a sair dela pq concerteza vai continuar sendo usada. MAS CARALHO E FEIO D+ RS

[kenpoevolution]

seriously the 50\50 is going to kill jiu jitsu. stalls the essence of the art. just my opinion.

[Snoochy2006]

People said the same thing about Spider Guard and De La Rvia Guard. People just don't know how to use it aggressively. Ryan Hall does fine with it. Its not my thing, I like Spider Guard.

[brureggae]

Poh tão falando de mais

Eu já vi neguinho puxar pra guarda fechada e a luta ficar mais amarrada que essa aí. Os dois são tops do jiu e ninguém quer perder

Agora quero ver o Rafael fazer essa guarda em vocês que tão falando de mais pra ver se a luta vai ficar amarrada.

[dieggmnus]

friki fight

[palasystem]

Que Luta feia da porraaaaaaaaaaa

[satiro91]

a luta fica amarrada? sim, fica.... mas faz lembrar uma passagem de guarda do barbosa em cima do soca, em que o próprio barbosa dizia que eles estavam estudando uma forma de bloquear aquela passagem, e disse que isso que faria o jiu jitsu evoluir, esse comentário saiu na gracie magazine há alguns anos, a guarda 50 50 está aí, estudem um jeito de passa-la, é para isso que serve o jiu-jitsu, soluções novas, para novos problemas.

[JulianoSaddock]

Aos 7:15 parecia quando dois cachorros cruzam e o macho fica preso na fêmea e tenta sair e não consegue kkkk... Posição feia...

[alt3kx]

rafael mendes e um cuzao prendeu a luta u tempo todo

[higgs03]

they both wanted to play the same game i think. It would be nice to see them fight in a submission only event. I think they are both great anyway.

[graxxxahabib]

jiujitsu tem que ser pra frente...buscando finalizacao...tem que ser um tipo de luta que qq pessoa entenda...eh p causa dessas lutas que falam que jj eh coisa de boiola...agora vai v a luta do terere com garcia em 2003...qq leigo entende quem ta ganhando!!!!

[ballistikarena]

nothing boring about these two for the trained eyes of a jiujitsu player,there is so much about that position they are in some type of 50/50 interesting to see how it is set and how or whats the way out its an interesting match and thats my opinionat that level ,not boring ,the position was set on purpose by raphael watch from the begining as they both pull guard.who said that some one has to be beaten its a competition cobrinha is good so is raphael with this great guard that gave him the win.

[cadyification]

Mendes has a good strategy to tie up Cobrinha, but man, how boring. He got the win but far from beating him. my2cents.

[prismhsqk]

not for nothing what a cheap guard just meant for racking up tournament points never tried to advance never tried to be offensive, but thats good tournament strategy i guess. he got the win but he didnt beat cobrinha just my opinion

[sagazjiujitsu]

os dois são fenomenos no jiu jitsu,mas ,essa luta foi ridpicula,trravada,eu arriscaria falar que foi até uma tatica do mendes apostar nesse jogo contra o cobrinha no decorrer da luta,mas enfim,os 2 são feras demais.

[carrera4sema]

o rafael mendes prendeu a luta mais nada..............

[joaopnz]

O Rafael e irmao gemeo do Guilherme, ? Eles lutam no mesmo peso certo ? Acho que vi uma entresta com eles na Gracie Magazine, mais ja vendi a revista hehe !

[fazhatsu]

E só pra fala o Rafael Mendes foi campeao do ADCC de 2009! que é disputado sem kimono!

só pra informar pessoas que nao sabem o que falam! (sharkboladeth) rs

[howesteve]

O ADCC vai ser disputado em setembro. Ele ganhou a *seletiva*.

Só pra "só pra informar pessoas que nao sabem o que falam".

[fazhatsu]

Justamente... a seletiva. Eu nao coloquei isso na resposta... mas era seletiva sim. Mas enfim, ele ganho... serviu de referencia para o cara que disse que ele sem kimono nao faz nada!

[fazhatsu]

E falando sobre a luta.. concordo com os cara ai embaixo, respeite e treine muito... os cara são fera, eles estao em outro nivel. Os brasileiros detonaram em todas as categorias.. Jiu Jitsu Puro... É isso ai .. Show de raspagens.. tecnicas.. malicias.. e tudo mais. Show!!!

e digo mais .. sou FAN do Rafael Mendes!

[fazhatsu]

Nossa que comentario idiotaaa mano... qui mané perde patrocinio o que mano... nao sabe nao fala!

manéé mesmo...

[ptm2020]

interesting sweeps going on

[ivan1122sakamoto]

cobrinha errou em troca a calca delle do patrocinador delle que a keiko,e buterrier, pe da koral deu aza pra ele kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk,vai perde o contrato delle por issoo

[sharkboladeth]

ixiiii sem kimono é batata... da naum

[preal10]

sharkboladeth, vc deve ser um iniciante ou ta falando muita besteira; engracado um ze ninguem falando de 2 campeoes mundiais kkkkkkk, isso se chama alto nivel e respeito, vai treinar seu bocudo.

[sharkboladeth]

deixei um recadinho pra vc lá cuzaum hehehehe!!!

[sharkboladeth]

ninguem mostro o jiu ai.... sem kimono esse rafael ai num é nada... pode até ganhar mais jiu jitsu amarrão da naum!!!

[sharkboladeth]

nossa amarrões d+... imagina o leozinho vieira ai?? putzzz ia deitar e rolar!!!

[Vazquez71]

well its so obvious both competitors prefer to be in the guard.

[alheerdt]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz...........

[rocha110]

achei essa luta um lixo... tao emocionante qto um jogo da velha. os dois querendo jogar por baixo de qq jeito (triste)... o guardeiro so puxa pra guarda qdo o oponente faz questao de jogar por cima. se esse é o futuro do jiu jitsu, eu to meio por fora e vou ter q me atualizar pra gostar e conseguir assistir isso.

[binho2k]

Precisa se atualizar entao, dois dos maiores lutadores atuais representando o Brasil no Jiu Jitsu Mundial. Luta fera, infelizmente o forte dos dois eh por baixo, por isso a insistencia em jogar por baixo, os dois se conhecem demais, e sabiam que quem ficasse por cima estaria em desvantagem.

Dale Corinha e Rafael, grande luta!!!!!

[rocha110]

muito ruinzinha mesmo. bonita de se ver é uma luta do jean jacques no adcc ou mesmo do roleta (q sempre jogou por baixo) no pano. mas isso ai ta triste... virou so um jogo de pontos e vantagens. imagina se o falecido helio visse isso ai... sai fora... vou ficar no saudosismo.

[polca1234]

essa luta foi muito louca >muito legal show de bola!!!!!!!!!

[jitsubr]

Muito obrigado pelo post! Grande luta, embolação total, quero ver mês q vem no mundial!

[dekehead]

ha! Raphael used Cobrinha's own sweep against him... nice

[brasamexicojj]

PARABENS RAFA MENDES! VOCE MERECE

[fishyjj08]

They need to broadcast tournaments like this in the US. This match was awesome-so technical

[cv0669]

man that first sweep is awesome

[StallionRGA]

Some are trying.

The IBJJF tournaments especially the Worlds are very well organized.

Even GrapplersQuest has been running top torunaments there year.

The main problem is for media and TV partners to step up to get the space on the small screen this sport deserves.

[gkoprulu]

What are you talking about.. US organizations suck big time.. please tell me how many hours you had to wait for your fights in a tournament. I am no expert in BJJ but i remember waiting 5-6-7 hours if not more for a fight.

[DeltaSigChi4]

You're right about one thing. You're no expert. A five-to-seven hour delay from a scheduled bracket start is not typical for any tournaments in any state. Perhaps you should compete more before you continue equating one experience as the typical U.S. competition experience. Just a thought.

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[ScottieBJJ]

Honestly it's not rare to come at 9 AM for a GQ and not get your first match until 9 PM

[DeltaSigChi4]

Perhaps. But your match was NEVER scheduled for 9A. Maybe you should look at the schedule. If I go to Worlds, on Thursday at 5A, it is a decision I made and my fault entirely, and if my first match is at Saturday 2P, having been scheduled for Saturday 1P the whole entire time I cannot fault IBJFF for "making" me "wait over two days". Let's get serious.

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[sickstyle83]

I've seen that in GQ, and other smaller events. But much to the IBJJF's credit, the longest I've gone past scheduled start is about 45 mins. So I am Agreeing with you, but you should check out the PAN, or the Worlds, you'd like how tight they stay to the schedule. (i've only competed at blue in IBJJF)

[goatfury]

Try out a U.S. Grappling event if you get a chance. We do a pretty good job with start times and sometimes even run a little ahead.

[radamez85]

if only we can get this level of professionalism in the united states competition scene.

thank u again!

[bjjartist]

Because GQ and NAGA allow weigh-ins all day during the tournament so they have to make brackets on the fly. If they did weigh-ins all day Friday and tournament day(Saturday) 7-9am tournaments would start 10am no problem.