I must say that he totally knows how to being off a finalle - as much passion, fire and superb technique as the first notes of the opening - breathtaking - Bravo!
Surely Rach composed the most beautiful music the world has know. Everytime I listen I hear something new and achingly sweet. This time it's the trumpets breaking through around 5:13. Shouting on top of the melody. Sublime.
@jjaus Absolutely. I know hardly anything about classical music and am primarily a Rock and Pop kind of guy, but when I heard one of his Preludes on the radio about a year ago it was a revelation. His ear for melody was incredible. And you're right about the end of this piece too, the way that the whole orchestra begins to swell always sends shivers right through me. Sublime is definitely the right word.
Of course I have to take my hat off to 'The Kid', as I now call him but also to the film crew that made people listen to the music rather than be effected by facial mannerism or some other cute bit of photography that has nothing to do with whats coming from his finger tips or others performing. If you observe his lh in particular his not faking 1 damn note!!! Kid, I tip my hat to you, the conductor/orchestra and film crew, one fine Youtube experience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[@steypustjori] - i read somewhere that Rachmaninov could play C-G-C-G with his left hand, and the chord C-E-G-C-E with his right hand, using the fingering 2-1-3-4-5 (i.e thumb under 2nd finger). don't know how true that is though
Incredible performance of one of the most intensely beautiful works of music ever written - especially love the very very end (at 5.48), sounds like something from another (and better) world. (maybe that's what heaven sounds like (?)).
What Ozawa pulls out from the trumpets at the mega-climaxes at 5:15 and 5:38 goes beyond any consideration. It gives me goose bumps every time I hear it (I was there live btw!!!)
@Steypustjori Rachmaninov could not only strike a thirteenth, s Van Cliburn can, but he could also add other notes to the octave, whereas Cliburn only plays the octave. Now, that's BEEG!!
"Hmmm, looking for some light entertainment, I might watch Rachmaninoff's third piano concerto."
Post - Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto:
"I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish..."
Horowitz has the most imppossible tempo in history 1941 recording(on youtube)... and the most outstanding in 1930(also in youtube), I think this one is not memorable because of speed, but for clarity and beautiful phrasing...
R u guys kidding me? How come human being can play the piano faster than this?? Let me know who could play this one faster than Kissin. Maybe he only can do faster than this!!! And the ending part was a little slow(thats true) but it doesnt mean anything. How many times has he played this #3 do you think? He doesnt have to play with the same way every single time..
It will take some digging but there is a video of Horowitz and the new york symphony with Zubin Mehta conducting. To see the joy that Horowitz had playing this is worth the price of the video. It's a much more muscular interpretation of the Rach 3 than Kissin -- who by the way was technically flawless, but lacks the emotion that Horowitz has in his interpretation. I'd like to see Kissin play this in about 10 more years. But Kissin was brilliant..
his hands are incredible from 3:17 on! they're virtually a blur, and I think he's playing those octaves with his thumb paired with all four fingers. absolutely outstanding. I think this is the best recording of this concerto I've heard, at least of those on youtube. I give credit to both Kissin and the conductor/orchestra for uniting so successfully.
Kissin is brilliant. I've seen him play in person. However, Horowitz is still the best. After all, he had the blessing of the composer himself. Old Sergei walked onstage to embrace Volodya in LA in 1942 after he played it at the Hollywood Bowl. Romantic pieces like this should not be played as fast as Argerich does it. But, to each his own.
There is an excellent recording of Horowitz playing the Rach 3 in 1978. He also recorded it in 1953 and was supposed to have been the very first to record it in 1930. If you listen to the 1953 and the 1978, you can hear the difference in the interpretations of 50 year old and a 75 year old. The later recording has much more color, but the 1953 is very dynamic. Horowitz did not play the Ossia, by the way. Rachmaninoff didn't, so neither did he. (They were very close.)
Hi I was listening to the 1939 recording on youtube played by Rach himself. Is It just me or is this 39 version infinitely better, especially the ending.
That's fine. I respect that =) But do take a time and explore your option. check out Horowitz version of Rach. You might change your opinion. If not then that's fine, everyone has different taste.
Rachmaninoff is one of my all time favorite composers and his Rach 3 is MY ALLTIME FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Evgeny Kissin!!!!!!!!!! WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gosh....such a unique interpretation there at the end. When one thought he was going to take it half tempo he turned on the gears and RIPPED the piano apart! And those are my technical fightin' words! :P
yes it is better than horowitz, if horowitz was better why does he play chopins polonaises shit and a load of other music, he knows a shit load of music but does,nt play it as good as kissin, look at hungarian raps no 2 he rearange it and focked it up he tuk the romance out of it, its just your tast thats all, an u are not tallanted to say whos better anyway if u was u would not be here slaggin him down.
I agree that Kissin sounds better than Horowitz in these YouTube videos. But that is probably an unfair comparison because Horowitz was **well** past his prime when he was recorded - in some of these videos Horowitz was in his 70s/80s. Kissin is at the peak of his powers.
i havent realy herd horowitz play when he was younger,i didn't look at it in that perspective, or it may be there playing style but i have always like kissin since i started playing the piano, the way he plays his stuff is how i like it aswel as my piano teacher, but i supose its a lot to do with what style people like, but the amount of music horowitz plays, i guess that makes him a better pianist in the long run because he bin going longer but this will be the same for kissin in about 35 years
Looks as if u are losing this argument, and rightfully so. And also, making a joke of someone's name is very cheap too, taking away credit from those reasonable things u might have said...
wsp67326: I can appreciate your enthusiasm, strong feeling, and a knowledge of how hard it is to be extr. successful in the biz. But dasteufelhund is absolutely right about what he says about the comparisons of pianists with what you like to call "gimmicks". I'd also like to say, WADResp., it seems outrageous that you say LL's 'gimmick' is his gestures; when every person I've ever read says THEY HATE HIS GESTURES!!! How could THAT be a gimmick TOWARDS his success?? His gest's hurt his career
For someone to come along and say Lang Lang is using a gimmick is pretty outrageous. He's very obviously feeling the music. Even as he's said: 'what the composer intended.'
And with so many people's complaints on so many pianist's performances being all technique but lacking feeling; and finally there's feeling and people call it a gimmick! Just because you don't like his facial expressions doesn't bring into question a performer's authenticity..
I would say that Argerich was pretty technically incredible, and yet, when she has wanted to, she has shown incredible feeling as well. She never goes into seizures to get there. Look, LL can flat out play, but so can many many others. He's not the phenom, in my opinion, that the true giants are. He may get there, someday.
Also, I don't believe a brilliant concert pianist needs to have a "gimmick" to make it in the business. I'd sure love to hear what gimmicks the great concert pianists in the past century had..
A gimmick is anything used to promote yourself, right? In the music world, do you realize how incredibly difficult it is to make it big? Seriously, do you? Just because you have abilities does not make one a star pianist. There are literally thousands of great pianists out there clamoring for the stage and the riches that accompany it. To get anywhere, you need to be phenomenal or have a "gimmick" (or know the right people). Any child prodigy is a pianist with a gimmick, for example.
Listen to yourself, your screwed up logic places the most brilliant scientists, musicians, philosophers all under "gimmick" umbrella. Then you must accuse Kissin, perlman, most of the professional players "gimmick" You are just simply screwed beyond believe
I have obviously gone over your head; to make this simple for your feeble mind, all I am saying is that one must market oneself to get ahead in the piano world. Some do that by way of phenomenal talent, some by talent at an early age, and others of so-so talent use but something extra that makes them stand out from the crowd. For example, Liberace was okay as a pianist; but he made it big with flamboyancy. Bang Bang is good, but nothing special, in my opinion. Thus, he uses stage antics.
It is indeed true that one needs to edge others out in the field of music, but look around, if we are taking a small circle of these piano prodigies, they all have technique, musicality, and something more than the rest of us, than stage antics seems really petty don't you think? Lang is one of the pianist that I listen to and I love many others, for the player that he is at this age of his game, I think he is an asset to the piano world. That is saying he does good things,contin...
Although Lang is inconsistent from time to time on interpretation (I've heard on multiple occasions), he does have special moments. When they do appear it's magical. If a pianist's characteristic or personality, much of what we imply through music, is nuissances (gimmick), then we have a world of gimmicks of gimmicking artists. Pessesmistic don't you think? Gimmicks can elimnated by just listen to CDs instead of live performances, but then, what's the point of a live performance?
The ending is sooo expressive! By far one of my favorites of this concerto is Lang Lang's and Kissin's.
Who says if a pianist have near perfect technique that he cannot be expressive? This certainly proves it wrong. Chills in my spine when Kissin reached the climax. BRAVO!
I just observed a Rach 3 performance by Lang Lang and Dutoit. I must admit, Lang Lang has came a long way from that kind of mannerism, or act of his early performances. When I watched it, I almost thought it was like he was riding a horse and I was almost surprised Dutoit allowed it. But I kept coming back to him, he has settled a lot now, and I treasure his playing more just as I love the Argerich's legendary Rach3 and Kissin's too. Simply incredible and electrifying
Treasuring Lang Lang? Ouch! He has not "settled" nearly enough for me. I'd like to see him when he's 50 and the silly mannerisms have given way to serious music making.
I am speaking of comparison of his playing then and now. Namely his performance of the Chopin Nocturn. In case you failed to grasp the implication in my post. But then why do people relate one's mature playing with age instead of the potential and flexibility of what they can offer? This might, and will be Lang's greatest ability. I don't think his mannerism will ever go away, so will that turn you away even when he reaches perfection? If so then you miss the whole point.
I'm afraid you are missign the whole point yourself; Lang Lang is all about promotion and silly gimmicks. He has the same abiltiies as many other pianists out there, but has to find a niche to market himself. He has caught himself up with the gimmickry that he won't get the chance to perfect anything. Besides, to perfect something, you have to actually care about hitting the correct notes once in a while. He needs to relearn everything to that extent. Kissin is a treasure; Lang Lang is not.
Tell me, how do you know it's a gimmick? Have you talked to Lang Lang himself and he told you so? What source made you think this is a gimmick if not a reflection of his state of mind is during his performance? I don't know about you, but I listen to his CD and his performance sounds pretty good to me and in live performance it sounds better. Every musician move about when they perform, it is natural to him, then who are we to say it's a gimmick? Get over his gestures and listen.
wikijk, tell me, how many fantastic pianists are out there? in every music school, you will find tons of excellent performers; to make it in the business, you have to have a gimmick, or you have to be phenomenally good. In my humble opinion, Lang Lang is not phenomenally good. He plays well, but his interpretations and abilities are nothing special. To me, Kissin has far more ability and provides the music world so much more than LL. Thus, in my opinion, LL is all gimmick to get where he is
Simply bullshit logic. What is natural to one is a gimmick to another, WHY? because his movement disturbs you visually? then don't look! I hear and see his movement and inflections are intertwined, to accuse him of using gimmick to make it in the business, you insult all professional musician's effort and accomplishment in music making. Tell me, is playing piano one handed a gimmick? His teacher Fleisher can answer you through his playing.
what disturbs me is his awful interpretations; I could care less about his movements. All I said was, in my opinion, his movements were a way to distinguish himself from other pianists out there. To insult Fleisher is really low. You know as well as I that he suffered a terrible malady. His "gimmick" was his phenomenal performing abilities, before and after he suffered that blow. Enjoy Bang Bang all you want; my tastes are different from yours, obviously.
To take Fleisher into this post is to place your post in context of what you are conveying. And your accusation of Lang's gimmick is on par of attacking Fleisher of making a name by using one hand. You even said it yourself, Lang's "gimmick" is his "phenomenal performing abilities" That is not gimmick, that is hard earned skill, if that is what he's known, then he rightfully earned his place on the world stage, and funny you spoke of Argerich, contin..
I have obviously upset you; look at it this way: the pianist James Barbagallo (who's he?) once said, "if you want to do something easy, be a brain surgeon, don't do this". Concert pianist is an incredibly difficult career; I almost tried it myself. The competition is HUGE; unless you are already one of the truly phenomenally gifted pianists throughout the world (and don't know the right people), you need something else. Much of the concert world is marketing; but, they are all great pianists
Argerich's incredible stamina and technique according to you is also a "gimmick", anything that is amazing and incredible would fit your definition of "gimmick" give me a break, then Mozart and Bach would be a gimmick too according to you? Ridiculous. You have a very different taste alright, and you don't even what it is.
Yes, phenomenal talent is one way to set yourself apart from other competitors in the piano world. It's called marketing. She won the Chopin competition and used that to bolster her career. I don't use the term "gimmick" in a bad way here; everything is a business (as much as we probably don't like to think that way) and everybody competes with everyone else. That is the way this works. Bravo to all these pianists for being some of the very few to make it in this ultracompetitive world.
Have you even studied and compared his recordings along with others? Or you're stuck on the image of his gesture that you don't bother to listen to anything that he plays now? I will admit he has bad pieces but he certainly is right up there with the likes of Kissin.
I disagree with your comparison with Kissin; as one example of MY comparisons, why don't you listen adn not watch both perform the Grunfeld arrangement of Die Fledermaus waltzes. Kissin, at a much younger age, I might add, performs and sounds so much more mature and musical. I don't actually watch Bang Bang; I just can't stand his interpretations be it via CD or here on youtube. You obviously like LL; bravo. Enjoy his performances and recordings to your heart's content. I do not.
Well, I know the Die Fledermaus Waltz example and it is a perfect example of Lang being stupid, but then, look at him, it was apparent that he is just showing off in front of the audience and letting it roll as they would without much care of the discipline. So Do we take that into account that he does this on other pieces? Well then we should bring a set of dice to his performances/cds everything it's on.
There is a clear difference between characteristic, personality than your fucking word gimmick. Know the difference before you use it blindly. Lang's performance has a consistent characteristic. To imply gimmick his aural presentation must be inferior than his visual, which is certainly not the case. His performance sounds and looks fluid and at moments magical. Gimmick my ass. If you don't hear music just because Lang's "gimmick" then go listen to a machine.
watch his Islamey here on youtube (when he was 18)(pretty lame interpretation compared with, say Berezovsky or Sgouros); he doesn't go about with silly gestures and such then. In my opinion, he realized that he was nothing special (and, in my opinion, he isn't; much of his performances border on atrocious, but, far, far better than I will ever be, admittedly), and thus needed something to market himself to the music world. If you enjoy his work, wonderful. I, for one, will skip it, happily.
This is what is called unsurpassed artistry. Just look at the poise of this humble man. Then compare lang lang's 'performance' to this one. Then ask 'which of these performances do you think Rachmaninov would approve of?' Maestro Kissin obviously reveres the composer and his masterpiece.
has anyone heard Olga Kern's interpretation? I find it to be the most emotionally moving of all. The way a Russian pianist performs this flagship is phenomenal. Just type Olga Kern in the search box and be prepared for an astonishing performance!
i have heard olga play this live and in a private rehearsal just feet away from her. i met her twice and she is a delight. i am a huge fan of hers, however, i heard a recital of hers recently that i was not fond ot. she missed a lot of notes and used too much pedal in scarlatti. but she missed ZERO notes in the Rach. third. just ONE semi-smudge in the entire piece. i was waiting for her to miss a note and she never did. i could not believe what i was seeing and hearing.
Excellent stuff-we now have an intelligent and informed debate going on here.HBYeti-my view exactly-every person's response to this huge masterpiece will be different-that's why it is a great work of art.
I agree w/ JasonERAU & disagree w/yvesangiere. Argerich's performance is unbelievably colorful, not just fast. Her sound is inimitable (as was Rachmaninoff's). Ashkenazy's performances are rather mundane, especially with Ormandy. Askenazy became a traitor to romantic pianism after his defection. His early performances are beautifully conceived, but he became more and more cerebral, until he was as much an "iceman" as Maurizio Pollini.
As for Kissin's performance - I find it too exaggerated.
After finishing Kissin's Rach 3, it is my opinion that his playing was very good, but the orchestra was much too overpowering. It may just be because this recording was not placed close enough to the piano.
I agree with HBYeti, I have relentlessly listened to around 25 different version of the Rach 3, and they all have a different take. Heck, the difference between Horowitz's own recordings such as the 1951 and the 1978(?) Argerich's was stunning, Berman's is powerful, Lang Lang's is retarded, Kissin's is exquisite, Ashkenazy's was moving. All have their own quality, there is no "best."
Everybody has their own favorite version of the Rach 3. It is based on the emotions that the interpretation excite in each individual person. There is no best rach 3.
I've read some garbage on here today.Liszt probably not an exceptional pianist if alive now-garbage.Kissin as good as Horowitz-garbage.Anyone else got any unfounded rubbish to dispose of?
Please, anyone listen to Martha Argerich's interpretation of this piece, unbeatable. Type in "Rach Repost" to see Argerich play Rachmaninov's Third. It is legendary.
The first time I listened to the recording of Argerich, I was amazed. Made 'legendary' by the marketing machine of Philips only, it was the most nerv wrecking 3rd of Rach I've ever heard. Too fast, to unstable and nothing close to the performance of one of the better 3rd of Rachmaninov: Vladimir Ashkenazy. The best is a personal thing.
i agree - Martha rocks. for sheer romanticism Olga Kern's interpretation is fun. Kissin is a bit too precious for my taste...and he could do with a haircut or, at the very least, some strong-holding gel.
Correction. Kissin = Horowitz Reincarnate. Though I have yet to find Liszt reincarnate, the closest to liszt is probably Rachmaninov, that or Cziffra.
How could anyone know a Liszt reincarnate? No one ever heard Liszt play. We'll never know how great a pianist he was. My guess is, he would be good but not outstanding today.
I love the way Kissin and Ozawa enhance the 2 musical orgasms at 5:19 and 5:38 by slowing down and stretching time, with those trumpets screaming... ohhh
thanks glaucio... Evgeny Kissin's slow introduction might be for contrasting effect, because he isn't slow in 99% of the rest of the concerto... he's a great pianist and I'm a big fan of his!
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The best performance of the rachmaninoff pianoconcerto no. 3
G1GAR0 1 month ago
That left hand. That damn left hand
korlock3000 2 months ago 3
I must say that he totally knows how to being off a finalle - as much passion, fire and superb technique as the first notes of the opening - breathtaking - Bravo!
Isiscat7 4 months ago
Kissin ,Ozawa and the Boston SO.
menzel290563 5 months ago
it's all in the hair.........
cisdolce 8 months ago 3
That's heroic!
0403kyo 9 months ago
I like the way he play the slow part of this movement
0403kyo 9 months ago
Who is the conductor???
LegendOD20 11 months ago
@LegendOD20 Seiji Ozawa i think
TheLastOfTheFinest80 11 months ago
This is the best piece of music I will ever hear. I enjoyed Kissin more than Horowitz, Argerich or Kern.
pperezklein 1 year ago 2
Surely Rach composed the most beautiful music the world has know. Everytime I listen I hear something new and achingly sweet. This time it's the trumpets breaking through around 5:13. Shouting on top of the melody. Sublime.
jjaus 1 year ago 2
@jjaus Absolutely. I know hardly anything about classical music and am primarily a Rock and Pop kind of guy, but when I heard one of his Preludes on the radio about a year ago it was a revelation. His ear for melody was incredible. And you're right about the end of this piece too, the way that the whole orchestra begins to swell always sends shivers right through me. Sublime is definitely the right word.
AllShookDown1 1 year ago
I think the video is sped up for his final run. The movement of his head and the conductors body look unnatural.
Broopster 1 year ago
@Broopster Nevermind it's just a crappy camera
Broopster 1 year ago
wow
cleveroonie 1 year ago
Of course I have to take my hat off to 'The Kid', as I now call him but also to the film crew that made people listen to the music rather than be effected by facial mannerism or some other cute bit of photography that has nothing to do with whats coming from his finger tips or others performing. If you observe his lh in particular his not faking 1 damn note!!! Kid, I tip my hat to you, the conductor/orchestra and film crew, one fine Youtube experience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hilocomtoot 1 year ago
[@steypustjori] - i read somewhere that Rachmaninov could play C-G-C-G with his left hand, and the chord C-E-G-C-E with his right hand, using the fingering 2-1-3-4-5 (i.e thumb under 2nd finger). don't know how true that is though
doggtaggz 1 year ago
i love from 3:18 to 4:15!!! so intense and insane, just the way i like it. =P
XxRAlfstaxX 1 year ago
Incredible performance of one of the most intensely beautiful works of music ever written - especially love the very very end (at 5.48), sounds like something from another (and better) world. (maybe that's what heaven sounds like (?)).
radamik 1 year ago 3
Evgeny Kissin is so beautiful !
masa960115 1 year ago
What Ozawa pulls out from the trumpets at the mega-climaxes at 5:15 and 5:38 goes beyond any consideration. It gives me goose bumps every time I hear it (I was there live btw!!!)
voolare 1 year ago
Does anybody know
how big hands Rachmaninoff had?
Steypustjori 1 year ago
C to G on each hand, an octave then a fifth lol
JonRob2109 1 year ago
@Steypustjori Rachmaninov could not only strike a thirteenth, s Van Cliburn can, but he could also add other notes to the octave, whereas Cliburn only plays the octave. Now, that's BEEG!!
rectalspike 1 year ago
Pre - Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto:
"Hmmm, looking for some light entertainment, I might watch Rachmaninoff's third piano concerto."
Post - Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto:
"I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish, I am a fish..."
sstuddert 1 year ago
??????????????
acorntechnique 1 year ago
Horowitz has the most imppossible tempo in history 1941 recording(on youtube)... and the most outstanding in 1930(also in youtube), I think this one is not memorable because of speed, but for clarity and beautiful phrasing...
Tatsu999999 1 year ago
the beginning is really nice. of course i like all of it.
sageSPH 2 years ago
R u guys kidding me? How come human being can play the piano faster than this?? Let me know who could play this one faster than Kissin. Maybe he only can do faster than this!!! And the ending part was a little slow(thats true) but it doesnt mean anything. How many times has he played this #3 do you think? He doesnt have to play with the same way every single time..
rang5882 2 years ago
ummm...Rachmaninoff maybe?
sageSPH 2 years ago
rachmaninov, sorry
sageSPH 2 years ago
argerich's rach 3, known for its speed.
For speed go figure out cziffra hamelin...etc
tommy9882 2 years ago
thats right, argerich's rach3 is really fast, but have heard horowitz 1941's?, that one is also very fast and nicee
eltachimetro 2 years ago
It will take some digging but there is a video of Horowitz and the new york symphony with Zubin Mehta conducting. To see the joy that Horowitz had playing this is worth the price of the video. It's a much more muscular interpretation of the Rach 3 than Kissin -- who by the way was technically flawless, but lacks the emotion that Horowitz has in his interpretation. I'd like to see Kissin play this in about 10 more years. But Kissin was brilliant..
phillycap 2 years ago
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shevansilva 2 years ago
i LOVE it. this is so amazing :D
missprincess1119 2 years ago 5
I didn't much care for the ending. It was a little too slow for my taste. Other than that he did a great job!
lenz555 2 years ago
Totally agree. Needs a faster ending - but bloody good job on the rest :D
tamegomaith93 2 years ago
4:44-5:20 is the best climb-up and the best climax I've ever heard *tear*
Guitarhayabusa 2 years ago 4
his hands are incredible from 3:17 on! they're virtually a blur, and I think he's playing those octaves with his thumb paired with all four fingers. absolutely outstanding. I think this is the best recording of this concerto I've heard, at least of those on youtube. I give credit to both Kissin and the conductor/orchestra for uniting so successfully.
stevethedondo 2 years ago 3
outstanding
marianomanto 2 years ago
Kissin is brilliant. I've seen him play in person. However, Horowitz is still the best. After all, he had the blessing of the composer himself. Old Sergei walked onstage to embrace Volodya in LA in 1942 after he played it at the Hollywood Bowl. Romantic pieces like this should not be played as fast as Argerich does it. But, to each his own.
dale731 2 years ago 7
I loved this performance... but I also love Dear Old Vlad. Any ideas where I can here him play this? Thank you.
ComposerInUK 2 years ago
There is an excellent recording of Horowitz playing the Rach 3 in 1978. He also recorded it in 1953 and was supposed to have been the very first to record it in 1930. If you listen to the 1953 and the 1978, you can hear the difference in the interpretations of 50 year old and a 75 year old. The later recording has much more color, but the 1953 is very dynamic. Horowitz did not play the Ossia, by the way. Rachmaninoff didn't, so neither did he. (They were very close.)
dale731 2 years ago 3
Hi I was listening to the 1939 recording on youtube played by Rach himself. Is It just me or is this 39 version infinitely better, especially the ending.
Speedsacspeed 2 years ago
Great footage!!
firesoftheempyrean 2 years ago 4
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
amazing technique meets
killer interpretation.
kissin is GOD
cisdolce 2 years ago 4
Evgeny Kissin is so amazing, he just plays so relaxed, nothing fazes this guy at all.
zm177 2 years ago 24
OMG, Kissim you are terrific. Exquisite
performance! Just the best.
whizkid7562 2 years ago 3
No way. I have to disagree. Horowitz is the best.
bilibalala 2 years ago
That's fine except that I hold to my opinion
and, of course, you have your opinion and that 's important. If you still do not agree,
that's your problem.
whizkid7562 2 years ago
That's fine. I respect that =) But do take a time and explore your option. check out Horowitz version of Rach. You might change your opinion. If not then that's fine, everyone has different taste.
bilibalala 2 years ago 2
No really, Horowitz's version is the best. There really isn't much to say. Esthetically and objectively, Horowitz's version is superior.
Manx123 2 years ago
Rachmaninoff is one of my all time favorite composers and his Rach 3 is MY ALLTIME FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Evgeny Kissin!!!!!!!!!! WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MillerMusicStudiosTV 3 years ago 5
When you sit next time in an aeroplane with a beautiful view listen to this music!
renatwotwo 3 years ago 3
i do that :D
Chopinco 2 years ago
my goodness! :-O
nicevidbro 3 years ago 4
Gosh....such a unique interpretation there at the end. When one thought he was going to take it half tempo he turned on the gears and RIPPED the piano apart! And those are my technical fightin' words! :P
cubanbach 3 years ago 5
Kissin is amazing...
EdiEllerymissing 3 years ago 15
woooooooooooow
q8pianist 3 years ago
He is Divine!!!!!
HiyaHolaHey 3 years ago 3
look at his hand at 5:40 O_O simply unbelievable
Darksephiroth901 3 years ago
i think u meant 5:50
PsychoSuo9000 3 years ago
ups I was wrong i'm sorry :D
Darksephiroth901 3 years ago
well done, much better than in the M 1
The most difficult part is from 3:35, man
synswill 3 years ago
This man is a piano god.
Tanellthyon 3 years ago
If they ever make a video game called "Piano Hero," I'm going to download this third movement and kick everyone's ass
blazerr 3 years ago 3
lolz ;D
rainIand 3 years ago
beatiful but no where near by a million miles as good as horowitz.
phantomxr 3 years ago
yes it is better than horowitz, if horowitz was better why does he play chopins polonaises shit and a load of other music, he knows a shit load of music but does,nt play it as good as kissin, look at hungarian raps no 2 he rearange it and focked it up he tuk the romance out of it, its just your tast thats all, an u are not tallanted to say whos better anyway if u was u would not be here slaggin him down.
latchy01234 3 years ago
I agree that Kissin sounds better than Horowitz in these YouTube videos. But that is probably an unfair comparison because Horowitz was **well** past his prime when he was recorded - in some of these videos Horowitz was in his 70s/80s. Kissin is at the peak of his powers.
eip81 3 years ago 2
i havent realy herd horowitz play when he was younger,i didn't look at it in that perspective, or it may be there playing style but i have always like kissin since i started playing the piano, the way he plays his stuff is how i like it aswel as my piano teacher, but i supose its a lot to do with what style people like, but the amount of music horowitz plays, i guess that makes him a better pianist in the long run because he bin going longer but this will be the same for kissin in about 35 years
latchy 3 years ago
fantastic!!!!!!
chantal7210 3 years ago
I love this piece of music. I've got the SuperAudio CD from Lang Lang. 5 Stars!
kortjentje 3 years ago
god why must we write essays in here
watch the vid and give your 2 sense
samyooljackson 3 years ago
Extraordinary!
Great music. Great musician.
chevychase 3 years ago
LISTEN TO THE DAMN MUSIC
for christ's sake
4ngry4nus 3 years ago
wsp67326 !
Looks as if u are losing this argument, and rightfully so. And also, making a joke of someone's name is very cheap too, taking away credit from those reasonable things u might have said...
dzsoni8 3 years ago
wsp67326: I can appreciate your enthusiasm, strong feeling, and a knowledge of how hard it is to be extr. successful in the biz. But dasteufelhund is absolutely right about what he says about the comparisons of pianists with what you like to call "gimmicks". I'd also like to say, WADResp., it seems outrageous that you say LL's 'gimmick' is his gestures; when every person I've ever read says THEY HATE HIS GESTURES!!! How could THAT be a gimmick TOWARDS his success?? His gest's hurt his career
craig7233 3 years ago
For someone to come along and say Lang Lang is using a gimmick is pretty outrageous. He's very obviously feeling the music. Even as he's said: 'what the composer intended.'
And with so many people's complaints on so many pianist's performances being all technique but lacking feeling; and finally there's feeling and people call it a gimmick! Just because you don't like his facial expressions doesn't bring into question a performer's authenticity..
craig7233 3 years ago 2
I would say that Argerich was pretty technically incredible, and yet, when she has wanted to, she has shown incredible feeling as well. She never goes into seizures to get there. Look, LL can flat out play, but so can many many others. He's not the phenom, in my opinion, that the true giants are. He may get there, someday.
wsp67326 3 years ago
Also, I don't believe a brilliant concert pianist needs to have a "gimmick" to make it in the business. I'd sure love to hear what gimmicks the great concert pianists in the past century had..
Or Yundi Li for that matter....
BTW, Kissin is awesahahme.
craig7233 3 years ago 2
A gimmick is anything used to promote yourself, right? In the music world, do you realize how incredibly difficult it is to make it big? Seriously, do you? Just because you have abilities does not make one a star pianist. There are literally thousands of great pianists out there clamoring for the stage and the riches that accompany it. To get anywhere, you need to be phenomenal or have a "gimmick" (or know the right people). Any child prodigy is a pianist with a gimmick, for example.
wsp67326 3 years ago
Wsp67326:
Listen to yourself, your screwed up logic places the most brilliant scientists, musicians, philosophers all under "gimmick" umbrella. Then you must accuse Kissin, perlman, most of the professional players "gimmick" You are just simply screwed beyond believe
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
I have obviously gone over your head; to make this simple for your feeble mind, all I am saying is that one must market oneself to get ahead in the piano world. Some do that by way of phenomenal talent, some by talent at an early age, and others of so-so talent use but something extra that makes them stand out from the crowd. For example, Liberace was okay as a pianist; but he made it big with flamboyancy. Bang Bang is good, but nothing special, in my opinion. Thus, he uses stage antics.
wsp67326 3 years ago
Wsp67326:
It is indeed true that one needs to edge others out in the field of music, but look around, if we are taking a small circle of these piano prodigies, they all have technique, musicality, and something more than the rest of us, than stage antics seems really petty don't you think? Lang is one of the pianist that I listen to and I love many others, for the player that he is at this age of his game, I think he is an asset to the piano world. That is saying he does good things,contin...
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
wsp67326
Although Lang is inconsistent from time to time on interpretation (I've heard on multiple occasions), he does have special moments. When they do appear it's magical. If a pianist's characteristic or personality, much of what we imply through music, is nuissances (gimmick), then we have a world of gimmicks of gimmicking artists. Pessesmistic don't you think? Gimmicks can elimnated by just listen to CDs instead of live performances, but then, what's the point of a live performance?
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
sobran las palabras....
gpablito14 3 years ago
Look at his left hand at 3:35 to 3:40!!!
Kissin is INCREDIBLE -
I got to see him play Brahms 1 in Toronto and he did the best performance of it that I've ever heard.
toomash 3 years ago
I don´t like this performance at all. And I do not like Kissin. Sorry. (But 5´37 - 5´39 amazing moment.)
Centrotoma 3 years ago
shut up retarded brainless maggot, you don't have the right to even speak about Kissin
JOHNNYWADTON 3 years ago
Wow - that was incredibly rude and ignorant. It's an OPINION. Don't take it personally. Jeez...
CMDeon 3 years ago
SHUT THE HELL UP!! Evgeny Kissin is a great pianist.
pianojjab79 3 years ago
Stupid comment unless you provide a good reason. Why don't you like this? Be detailed.
wikijk 3 years ago
BRAVO !!!!!! His hands have such command of the keyboard... His fingers strike the ivory with power and precision. The music is astounding!
hackru 3 years ago
better than his Rach3 recording
vkstksla51 4 years ago
It's the same on the CD
bitchass888 3 years ago
The ending is sooo expressive! By far one of my favorites of this concerto is Lang Lang's and Kissin's.
Who says if a pianist have near perfect technique that he cannot be expressive? This certainly proves it wrong. Chills in my spine when Kissin reached the climax. BRAVO!
TheIshter 4 years ago 2
kind of a dorky haircut, but he doesn't make mistakes. Incredible pianist.
handyjake 4 years ago
This performance was breathtaking and awe inspiring.
Not the 'circus, self-important' act of Mr. Lang Lang.
Organboi, do you actually attend a concert, listen and wait for a mistake to be made?
I find that sad.
catharticartist1 4 years ago
I just observed a Rach 3 performance by Lang Lang and Dutoit. I must admit, Lang Lang has came a long way from that kind of mannerism, or act of his early performances. When I watched it, I almost thought it was like he was riding a horse and I was almost surprised Dutoit allowed it. But I kept coming back to him, he has settled a lot now, and I treasure his playing more just as I love the Argerich's legendary Rach3 and Kissin's too. Simply incredible and electrifying
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
Treasuring Lang Lang? Ouch! He has not "settled" nearly enough for me. I'd like to see him when he's 50 and the silly mannerisms have given way to serious music making.
CMDeon 3 years ago
I am speaking of comparison of his playing then and now. Namely his performance of the Chopin Nocturn. In case you failed to grasp the implication in my post. But then why do people relate one's mature playing with age instead of the potential and flexibility of what they can offer? This might, and will be Lang's greatest ability. I don't think his mannerism will ever go away, so will that turn you away even when he reaches perfection? If so then you miss the whole point.
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
I'm afraid you are missign the whole point yourself; Lang Lang is all about promotion and silly gimmicks. He has the same abiltiies as many other pianists out there, but has to find a niche to market himself. He has caught himself up with the gimmickry that he won't get the chance to perfect anything. Besides, to perfect something, you have to actually care about hitting the correct notes once in a while. He needs to relearn everything to that extent. Kissin is a treasure; Lang Lang is not.
wsp67326 3 years ago
wsp67326
Tell me, how do you know it's a gimmick? Have you talked to Lang Lang himself and he told you so? What source made you think this is a gimmick if not a reflection of his state of mind is during his performance? I don't know about you, but I listen to his CD and his performance sounds pretty good to me and in live performance it sounds better. Every musician move about when they perform, it is natural to him, then who are we to say it's a gimmick? Get over his gestures and listen.
wikijk 3 years ago
wikijk, tell me, how many fantastic pianists are out there? in every music school, you will find tons of excellent performers; to make it in the business, you have to have a gimmick, or you have to be phenomenally good. In my humble opinion, Lang Lang is not phenomenally good. He plays well, but his interpretations and abilities are nothing special. To me, Kissin has far more ability and provides the music world so much more than LL. Thus, in my opinion, LL is all gimmick to get where he is
wsp67326 3 years ago
wsp67326:
Simply bullshit logic. What is natural to one is a gimmick to another, WHY? because his movement disturbs you visually? then don't look! I hear and see his movement and inflections are intertwined, to accuse him of using gimmick to make it in the business, you insult all professional musician's effort and accomplishment in music making. Tell me, is playing piano one handed a gimmick? His teacher Fleisher can answer you through his playing.
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
what disturbs me is his awful interpretations; I could care less about his movements. All I said was, in my opinion, his movements were a way to distinguish himself from other pianists out there. To insult Fleisher is really low. You know as well as I that he suffered a terrible malady. His "gimmick" was his phenomenal performing abilities, before and after he suffered that blow. Enjoy Bang Bang all you want; my tastes are different from yours, obviously.
wsp67326 3 years ago
wsp67326
To take Fleisher into this post is to place your post in context of what you are conveying. And your accusation of Lang's gimmick is on par of attacking Fleisher of making a name by using one hand. You even said it yourself, Lang's "gimmick" is his "phenomenal performing abilities" That is not gimmick, that is hard earned skill, if that is what he's known, then he rightfully earned his place on the world stage, and funny you spoke of Argerich, contin..
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
I have obviously upset you; look at it this way: the pianist James Barbagallo (who's he?) once said, "if you want to do something easy, be a brain surgeon, don't do this". Concert pianist is an incredibly difficult career; I almost tried it myself. The competition is HUGE; unless you are already one of the truly phenomenally gifted pianists throughout the world (and don't know the right people), you need something else. Much of the concert world is marketing; but, they are all great pianists
wsp67326 3 years ago
wsp67326
Argerich's incredible stamina and technique according to you is also a "gimmick", anything that is amazing and incredible would fit your definition of "gimmick" give me a break, then Mozart and Bach would be a gimmick too according to you? Ridiculous. You have a very different taste alright, and you don't even what it is.
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
Yes, phenomenal talent is one way to set yourself apart from other competitors in the piano world. It's called marketing. She won the Chopin competition and used that to bolster her career. I don't use the term "gimmick" in a bad way here; everything is a business (as much as we probably don't like to think that way) and everybody competes with everyone else. That is the way this works. Bravo to all these pianists for being some of the very few to make it in this ultracompetitive world.
wsp67326 3 years ago
wsp67326
Have you even studied and compared his recordings along with others? Or you're stuck on the image of his gesture that you don't bother to listen to anything that he plays now? I will admit he has bad pieces but he certainly is right up there with the likes of Kissin.
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
I disagree with your comparison with Kissin; as one example of MY comparisons, why don't you listen adn not watch both perform the Grunfeld arrangement of Die Fledermaus waltzes. Kissin, at a much younger age, I might add, performs and sounds so much more mature and musical. I don't actually watch Bang Bang; I just can't stand his interpretations be it via CD or here on youtube. You obviously like LL; bravo. Enjoy his performances and recordings to your heart's content. I do not.
wsp67326 3 years ago
Well, I know the Die Fledermaus Waltz example and it is a perfect example of Lang being stupid, but then, look at him, it was apparent that he is just showing off in front of the audience and letting it roll as they would without much care of the discipline. So Do we take that into account that he does this on other pieces? Well then we should bring a set of dice to his performances/cds everything it's on.
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
wsp67326
There is a clear difference between characteristic, personality than your fucking word gimmick. Know the difference before you use it blindly. Lang's performance has a consistent characteristic. To imply gimmick his aural presentation must be inferior than his visual, which is certainly not the case. His performance sounds and looks fluid and at moments magical. Gimmick my ass. If you don't hear music just because Lang's "gimmick" then go listen to a machine.
dasteufelhund 3 years ago
watch his Islamey here on youtube (when he was 18)(pretty lame interpretation compared with, say Berezovsky or Sgouros); he doesn't go about with silly gestures and such then. In my opinion, he realized that he was nothing special (and, in my opinion, he isn't; much of his performances border on atrocious, but, far, far better than I will ever be, admittedly), and thus needed something to market himself to the music world. If you enjoy his work, wonderful. I, for one, will skip it, happily.
wsp67326 3 years ago
i love how someone recorded this in a live concert from the balcony. bravo!
organboi 4 years ago
This is what is called unsurpassed artistry. Just look at the poise of this humble man. Then compare lang lang's 'performance' to this one. Then ask 'which of these performances do you think Rachmaninov would approve of?' Maestro Kissin obviously reveres the composer and his masterpiece.
organman52 4 years ago
lang lang fucker is pure evil...and it looks like he's getting a rim job when he plays.
organboi 4 years ago
Kissin is an amazing pianist. I heard him live a couple of yrars ago and he was incredible.
cattleman6420012000 4 years ago
the end was really breathtaking...well done..
helmsdeep84 4 years ago
Exelente, meagnífico,monumental, muy buen aporte, te felicito, se puede deducir que tienes buen gusto musical.
charly2030 4 years ago
Prestissimo and marcatissimo, Bravo!
hackru 4 years ago
grandissimo, porca vacca.
klebedish 4 years ago
His musicianship is amazing, and he misses very few notes. he is truely an astounding pianist, the best of our time
cwitty91 4 years ago
has anyone heard Olga Kern's interpretation? I find it to be the most emotionally moving of all. The way a Russian pianist performs this flagship is phenomenal. Just type Olga Kern in the search box and be prepared for an astonishing performance!
classicalchump3 4 years ago
i have heard olga play this live and in a private rehearsal just feet away from her. i met her twice and she is a delight. i am a huge fan of hers, however, i heard a recital of hers recently that i was not fond ot. she missed a lot of notes and used too much pedal in scarlatti. but she missed ZERO notes in the Rach. third. just ONE semi-smudge in the entire piece. i was waiting for her to miss a note and she never did. i could not believe what i was seeing and hearing.
organboi 4 years ago
Excellent stuff-we now have an intelligent and informed debate going on here.HBYeti-my view exactly-every person's response to this huge masterpiece will be different-that's why it is a great work of art.
ric55 4 years ago
I agree w/ JasonERAU & disagree w/yvesangiere. Argerich's performance is unbelievably colorful, not just fast. Her sound is inimitable (as was Rachmaninoff's). Ashkenazy's performances are rather mundane, especially with Ormandy. Askenazy became a traitor to romantic pianism after his defection. His early performances are beautifully conceived, but he became more and more cerebral, until he was as much an "iceman" as Maurizio Pollini.
As for Kissin's performance - I find it too exaggerated.
heathersma 4 years ago
After finishing Kissin's Rach 3, it is my opinion that his playing was very good, but the orchestra was much too overpowering. It may just be because this recording was not placed close enough to the piano.
Animefreak76 4 years ago
I agree with HBYeti, I have relentlessly listened to around 25 different version of the Rach 3, and they all have a different take. Heck, the difference between Horowitz's own recordings such as the 1951 and the 1978(?) Argerich's was stunning, Berman's is powerful, Lang Lang's is retarded, Kissin's is exquisite, Ashkenazy's was moving. All have their own quality, there is no "best."
Animefreak76 4 years ago
Everybody has their own favorite version of the Rach 3. It is based on the emotions that the interpretation excite in each individual person. There is no best rach 3.
HBYetiMunchen 4 years ago
I've read some garbage on here today.Liszt probably not an exceptional pianist if alive now-garbage.Kissin as good as Horowitz-garbage.Anyone else got any unfounded rubbish to dispose of?
ric55 4 years ago
My goodness those long, spider-like fingers:0).
urgrad03 4 years ago
Please, anyone listen to Martha Argerich's interpretation of this piece, unbeatable. Type in "Rach Repost" to see Argerich play Rachmaninov's Third. It is legendary.
JasonERAU 4 years ago
The first time I listened to the recording of Argerich, I was amazed. Made 'legendary' by the marketing machine of Philips only, it was the most nerv wrecking 3rd of Rach I've ever heard. Too fast, to unstable and nothing close to the performance of one of the better 3rd of Rachmaninov: Vladimir Ashkenazy. The best is a personal thing.
yvesvangelre 4 years ago
i agree - Martha rocks. for sheer romanticism Olga Kern's interpretation is fun. Kissin is a bit too precious for my taste...and he could do with a haircut or, at the very least, some strong-holding gel.
glenngould99 4 years ago
LONG LIVE MARTHA ARGERICH
JasonERAU 4 years ago
WOW Kissin> Horowitz??? I don't know about that. He does have some crazy hair though, and that makes me like him more. But Horowitz was a baaaadass
jtsmizzack 4 years ago
Love it, 5:45
EdwensClassics 4 years ago
Correction. Kissin = Horowitz Reincarnate. Though I have yet to find Liszt reincarnate, the closest to liszt is probably Rachmaninov, that or Cziffra.
TheCrazyHairPianist 4 years ago
How could anyone know a Liszt reincarnate? No one ever heard Liszt play. We'll never know how great a pianist he was. My guess is, he would be good but not outstanding today.
ssprokofiev 4 years ago
oooohhhhhhh no!!!
IloveAlexisBledel689 4 years ago
Kissin > Horowitz
DrLectr 4 years ago
Wow... Thanks for sharing this
gracias por subirlo !
yoryoryo 4 years ago
wow. perfect camera placement.
and those hands were made for the rach3.
veege04 4 years ago
I looooooooooooove Rachmaninov!!!
It looks so easy to play :O But it isn't believe me...
pianostef 4 years ago
Excellent, this goes with my favorite performances.
svensdascha 5 years ago
No, Voolare, those are not enhancements. that is the way it is written. Very nice performance.
jimjennings 5 years ago
Voolare is right those passages are stretched a bit. Fantastic performance!
KennYWooD2 4 years ago
I love the way Kissin and Ozawa enhance the 2 musical orgasms at 5:19 and 5:38 by slowing down and stretching time, with those trumpets screaming... ohhh
voolare 5 years ago
thanks glaucio... Evgeny Kissin's slow introduction might be for contrasting effect, because he isn't slow in 99% of the rest of the concerto... he's a great pianist and I'm a big fan of his!
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loayove 5 years ago
hey glaucio, thank´s for sharing this...
anblanco333 5 years ago