@MrMasterMind172 war ended but the rebel spirit was never crushed for 10 years after the war former confederate soldiers became guerilla fighters terrorizing the newly established state governments that were often military governments with former union army commanders appointed as the heads.
@zyzor If rebel "spirit" means victory, then feel free to believe so. I'm not a northerner nor southerner, but the history books say the Union was the victor in the war.
This charge was doomed to fail since Lee ever got the idea no matter what Lee could have done differently even if everything thing worked up to what Lee was hoping for and then some it still would have failed Longstreet said it himself that no 15'000 men could take that ridge I'm inclined to take his word for it.
I plan to go to Gettysburg in the 2013 reanactment to see for myself what those men would have had to do to succeed will my opinion change maybe but right now doesn't look like it.
@ZombieSurvivalist11 Yeah i've been there a few times and the movie portrays the open space they attacked across pretty well, if its not the actual thing. Even if it hadnt been such open ground they probably would have failed as there were a lot of Federals relatively close to cemetary ridge who could have reinforced without causing holes elsewhere. The whole battle was a poor idea though. They should have forced the Union to attack.
@ZombieSurvivalist11 I have just enjoyed a fleeting first visit and planning a return for 2013/150th anniversary. Having seen it I am convinced that Sickles moving to attack saved a Confederate assault along Cemetery Ridge. The artillery failed in its objective but the distance for Pickett and Pettigrew to cross was too great. Lee was in a difficult situation regarding supplies and his opponent was defending -- very difficult decisions to make.
The Sickles controversy is another I'd like to look into as my regiment I reenact under is from his brigade maybe you and I will see each other there when the time comes.
@Dasaver101 I have large portions of family in both North Carolina and Massachusetts and have lived in both states. I would have been one of the ones literally shooting at my own brother during a pickets charge scenario... that would really really suck. I think I would have to intentionally miss or something depending on what state I was fighting against. : /
"General Cleburne seemed to be more despondent than I ever saw him. I was the last one to receive any instructions from him, and as I saluted and bade him good-bye I remarked, ‘Well General, there will not be many of us that will get back to Arkansas,’ to which he replied, 'Well, Govan, if we are to die, let us die like men.'"
I say all wars should be fought like the civil war was, bloody a painful, and the officers were in more danger than today, then maybe war would be fought less.
@Mr2000hate I agree 110%. Sadly, America no longer produces Great Men, such as Armistead, Chamberlain, Buford, Longstreet, and Lincoln like it used to.
@360Nomad you said "no longer produces" stop taking back what you said whenever someone confronts you it makes you a coward, and have reasons before you say things without thinking next time
@360Nomad honestlyi think Armistead would rather have been sipping lemonade, making love to his wife and managing his plantation than getting shot at. Heroes arise during times when they are needed, there are more heroes than you can imagine.
@8peregrint8 Well then the Armisteads of this world need to get out of their plantations and save the world (again). Because we're gonna be repeating Gettysburg if they don't.
@360Nomad Bullshi*. We produce great leaders EVERY DAY. We just don't use them for military purposes, right now. If there had never been a civil war, you would have never heard of Grant, et al. If there had never been a WWI or WWII, you would have never heard of Eisenhower, Patton, MacArthur, or Bradley for that matter.
@mceltix2011 You watch the news lately? Apparently there are no great leaders left in Washington. They're all arguing over Bullshit like taxing the rich or whether or not Obama's a Muslim (so what if he is?). All the great leaders you speak off need to step up to the plate soon or we're gonna be repeating Gettysburg.
War was about slavery, that's certain. I still think the Confederates were cooler, though. Good the bluebellies won though, I suppose. The CSA would not have worked at all as an independent nation.
@JoeyLeafRunner as an avid lover of history Ive looked through these issues and am not in anyway convinced that slavery was minor everything some how comes back to the issue of slavery making it major in the case of the Civil war sure there were other things but it all some how comes back to the issue of slavery
THATS THE STYLE LOU THATS THE STYLE!!!!!! --- grew up watching this movie over and over again and that line and this song has Lou is going over the wall with his hat held high gets me till this day. Awesome movie.
Pickett never forgave Lee. He said "That old man killed my whole battalion". He and other Generals did not want to have the charge, but followed Lee's orders. I believe this is one of the very few mistakes Lee made. Later when Lee told Pickett to bring his battalion, Pickett answered "Sir, I have no battalion." At the 75 year commemoration of the War and at a re-enactment of Pickett's Charge, the former Union men could not watch and ran to meet the former Confederate men. They hugged and cried.
@woz30 Thank you. I don't know a lot of the military terms, as you can tell, but I am fascinated by history. When I heard that comment in the documentary it just stuck in my mind. I thought it was so incredibly sad. I appreciate your correction. Thanks.
@Artexerxes101 Thank you. I don't know the correct terms as you can see. I do appreciate your comment, but I've been told at least once. Perhaps more. Thanks. I think I'm going to learn military jargon!
woz30 Thank you. I don't know a lot of the military terms, as you can tell, but I am fascinated by history. When I heard that comment in the documentary it just stuck in my mind. I thought it was so incredibly sad. I appreciate your correction. Thanks.
@MyMoppet52 Just want to correct you a bit, Picket said "I have no division", not battalion. Pickets charge should never have happened like it did, but the blame can not be laid only at Lee's door, his plan was actually very complex and if it had been executed like he wanted to the union would have been in dire problems. The confederate cannonade was also not as effective as it should be, in many ways one can view picket's charge as the "battle of the Somme" of the ACW.
@Ramniir No, they weren't all dead yet. There were still some survivors of the War left. Some even did step-dancing though some couldn't even walk. Tonight the national news reported the last known survivor of WWI passed away. History has a way of sneaking up on the current times.
People like to talk about Pickett's charge as being something amazing, but they had all the artillery prep they could muster at their disposal, and only advanced over one mile of ground.
At the battle of Franklin, Confederate troops had to advance on entrenched Federals with almost no artillery prep from only one battery, over two miles of open ground. Nashville/Franklin/Spring Hill was the campaign of forlorn hope. The Western theater doesn't get any of the attention it deserves.
When they said Pickett's division was virtually destroyed they spoke the truth. It's hard to believe that a whole division could be wiped out but it happened nonetheless. My hats off to those brave boys
I am British, but have studied about the American civil war, War in itself is stupid....but, a Civil war...kin against kin??? now that is insane...Just like the English civil war x 2.... Absolutely ludicrous
@6704645 No kidding. What's worse is that it was over slavery. No matter how it was cut, that was the core issue. Though arguably, we weren't having so many kin fight one another towards the end.
One of the corps at Gettysburg were Dutch immigrants and there were several Irish regiments on both sides.
The Irish... I wonder how the Southern aligned Irish would have taken to having British support... not well I think.
@FLJBeliever1776 The 11th Corps was not made up of Dutch immigrants, but Germans. In the 19th century, many Americans referred to German immigrants as "Dutch" or "Dutchmen." It's a corruption of the German word describing their own ethnicity: Deutsch. When you see references to the Dutch or Dutchmen as to the 11th Corps it's in reference to it large number of German-speaking soldiers not immigrants from the Netherlands.
@FLJBeliever1776 Slavery was not the core issue. The main issue was the balance of power between a central federal government & the government of an individual state. That same issue is present today,however, ironicly, it's the Republicans who represent state rights and Democrats are pro big federal government. Slavery was the catalyst but war probably would had occurred even if slavery was not threatened to be abolished.
@woz30 I'm not sure where you got your information, but you mixed up the two parties by mistake.
As for the core issue, it had always been slavery. If you look back to two enactments by Congress, you will find that slavery had been a core issue, if not THE core issue. Furthermore, if the South had truly meant to fight for State's Rights, why is it that they threw a fit when California voted to be One, Free State and tried hard to break up California into two pieces?
@psymaster1234 Only its not fiction, but reality that shattered several divisions so badly that in all likelihood, their colors were retired.
Truthfully, I think both sides should have gotten the MOH, there was simply that much courage to outweigh the stupidity of both sides, like a couple of ANV officers nearly having a duel in the middle of a battle!
i have watched this before whn i was young... though i didnt quite understand, i love everything abt it... e bravery, e music whch perfectly fits e movie especially Randy Edelman - Main Title whch was a song i never forget for years... im watching it all again, Gettysburg, Gods and Generals... both movies depicting e american civil war... god bless
They were brave men indeed, and should be remembered as such, but I must agree with President Woodrow Wilson, himself a virginian, who said: "Because I love the south, I rejoice in the failure of the Confederacy."
It was an abominable government, based on the abominable belief that all men are not created equal. Long live the Union.
@Aslaug75 Don't believe everything the textbooks say. research true history. Lincoln himself declared the negroe not equal to the white man and put a plan together to send them all back to Africa, stating that both races would be better off.
The Civil War was not all based on slavery. The south tried to prevent a lot of the federal mess we have today.
Another note, union army was segregated. Southern army was integrated. food for thought.
@Vladimast . Lincoln didn't consider black men his equal but he publicily stated that never a moment in his life did he think slavery was moral and honestly when you compare him to his opposite in the confederate white house in Richmond you shouldn't be throwing stones considering you live in a glass house. You say that the confederate army was intergrated but thats only because the confederacy was ondeaths door. and if it wasnt based on slavery what was it based on?
That was one of my favorite moments in the movie, the Irish Brigade truly shined in that moment, but the Confederates under Armistead shined even brighter
I remember being a kid, I would have the movie Gettysburg playing, and have all my civil war figurines set up and setting up all the pieces in accordance to the movie. I had over 3,000 civil war pieces ( a lot were passed down). Got tired of p laying with the figurines and joined the hobby. I'm pressing 30 these days and that soundtrack, that movie only take me back to fond childhood memories! I just got back in to the hobby for the 150th cycle! Been busy with the Army.
@Alexandros1294. Yes, most hist. textbooks are. Lee didn't try to avoid "huge engagements," (there were a few pretty big ones to come) but the US finally got some decent field commanders at the top (Grant for exmp.) while the South steadily lost their most able ones. Lee never lost his nerve, but he never came close to numerical equaility again. Fewer men+ better opponents= less chance of a favorable position for battle. That's quite a bit over simplified, but maybe will help.
"Up men! Up! And to your posts! Let no man forget, that you are from old Virginia!"
"VIRGINIA! VIRGINIA! VIRGINIA!"
Love the movie. And people, shut your mouths about the war. It's over, no amount of wishing is going to change that. Besides, I don't remember anything in the video that says start discussions and arguments on the Civil War. Listen to this masterpiece and be awed by it!
For those who were talking about other nations that also had slavery before,during, and/or after the American Civil War, most of those nations didn't pride themselves on freedom, rights, and brotherhood as the United States has in the past and does to this to this day.
Just started reading the Oxford History of America (ten books, each with at least 800 pages, sigh) and i must say that the Civil War was far more complicated than i imagined. I also learned that slavery indeed was a main reason for the war, a fact that I thought was a later fabrication by the Yankees to make them look better. But i still retain my old belief that the Union did something unforgivable when unleashing Sherman, whom also was involved in the slaughter of the indians.
To Faxe90Swe, In regards to Sherman. He may have unleashed the hells of war on the south in quick fashion but maybe look at it this way too. The war ended quicker. The tactic of walking in a nice neat line up to the enemy was killing tens of thousands. Imaging if that war just kept going on! It had to end. Total war ended it.
I'm sorry dude but most of the south was to poor to even own slaves, that many men would not die for slaves they did not have. And if you look at the debates about the slaves before the war the south was already moving to freeing them. and if you read some of what Lincoln says BEFORE the war he did not care about the slaves at all he just wanted the US to make it's mind up and free them or not and they tryed to force the south and the south wanted to be able to make its own mind up.
But as long as there were slaves, these slave-less 75% percent of the Southern population would never haft to be considered the lowest class. And as for freeing the slaves: no, no, no. They expanded slavery (the Kansas-Nebraska Act) and legitimized it nationally (the Dred Scott case). The South even tried to get the United States into annexing Cuba and the 400, 000 slaves residing there. The South as a whole wanted an empire for slavery, an ambition kept fresh until the outbreak of war.
@Faxe90Swe Um no, much of the South did not care for slavery, for example many Generals in the Confederate Army in the Civil War wanted African Americans fighting along side them as a cause for freedom. Lt. Gen. James Longstreet: "We should have freed the slaves, then fired on Fort Sumpter." Slavery was a part of their industry, as it was in much of the world, but what you have just suggested is that the South is a mindless government who just wants a slavery empire. And you my friend are wrong.
"as it was in much of the world"... except for Portugal, I don´t know any other country that still retained slavery in the 1860`s.
I don´t say that they were mindless, on the contrary, they did whatever it took to advance their own society and its institutions - that sounds perfectly natural to me!
You are very rude to say that im wrong you know, and it´s very arrogant. Why not "in my opinion, you are wrong". Proves that you can´t be a Southerner, eh?
the generals on the north were idiots, and they would treat there soldiers like animals really. I think Grant even said it does not reallly matter if one of my soldiers dies, now grant had nothing to do with gettysburg, but the same theme could be felt throughout the union army. And because of it the soldiers on the norht had low morale. So i would have to say that the South fouhgt with more heart.
The North had low morale for alot of things 1 being that they really did not understand what they where fighting for. if you do alot of research it is pretty clear that the South was not fighting for slaves most of the south was to poor to even own slave, and many of the South Generals even said they should have let the slave free before starting the war that way it could not be used to make them look bad, witch is what the north did
Setting aside your terrible grammar and spelling, I will say this, a chief cause of the Civil war was the issue of State's rights. That being said we must also look at the other issues of the day, such as the introduction of several states which were admitted as either slave states or free states. This terrible system eventually lead to in balance from which we see threats of succession, and those threats becoming a reality with the election of Abraham Lincoln.
no i'll tell u what lost Picketts charge was the fence it slowed them down big time and the north cut them to pieces at that fence , that south actually got to the stone wall unlike the norht at fredericksburg who never got within 50 yards of it, the south fought with 10X more heart then the north
You got any sources for that? No, I didn't think so.
There are lots of factors for why Pickett's charge was a failure. Such as the CSA artillery overshooting, for example. You can never pick out single causes for why battles and wars go as they do. And making ridiculous statements like "the south fought with 10X more heart than the north" is just plain disrespectful. You don't think the Union soldiers had heart marching towards the wall at Fredericksburg?
If you read what many of what the Union soldiers wrote it is pretty clear the Union did not have very good morale, And as for the South after Pickett's charge many of them wanted to charge again. You won't find any good info about the war if you just read textbook crap the North won the war they are NOT going to put down that they had low morale and the south put up a better fight. The South had less mman less fire power and the north had more deaths by the end of the war.
"Outside the Appalachian highlands many of the nonslaveholders were linked to the ruling class by ties of kinship, aspirations for slave ownership, or mutual dislike of Yankees and other outsiders. A caste system as well as a form of labor, slavery elevated all whites to the ruling caste and thereby reduced the potential for class conflict. However poor and illiterate some whites may have been, they were still whites." James M. McPherson (who, for the record, do mention low Union morale)
Hmm. What I remember from History Class last year was that he never got in any huge engagements anymore and tried his hardest to avoid them. Like I said, my memory is hazy, and school textbook history is.... pathetic.
Robert E. Lee never lost the will to fight. He only surrendered to save the lives of his men. He actually said that he would rather die than surrender, and after the war he said that he wished he had fought to the death.
Oh, the moment what the Pickett's charge was stopped by the federal artillery shots a lot over the confederate soldiers... and the union infantry shots the muskets with anger and reveange, remembering Bull Run (The two ones), Fredericksburg and another battles in Virginian soil... the General Hooker's horribles and bloody mistakes
Judging from this charge, you can really see the bands to the British: Balaklava, Spioenkop, Op. Goodwood, Bunker Hill, Fontenoy, Ticonderoga etc. etc. (Surely, all armies have made themselves guilty of bad decisions, but I think the Anglo-Saxons, including Americans, top the list) P.S. No offense intended.
@Faxe90Swe No, I think they are simply better documented. I notice all those battles were in conflicts that the British were victorious in. Indeed, all of those battles mentioned had the British attacking. Besides if you measure up British victories against her defeats you'll clearly find the British have a very positive ratio.
@Talbot6832 Umm, I´m not sure what you´re talking about. Indeed the British has a good victory/defeat ratio in war, but when it comes down to the actual battles of the wars, then the ratio is a bit more balanced. All of those battles i mentioned ended in complete carnage for the British, even though they in some of the examples won the battle in the end (like Bunker hill).
Anyway, what i wrote was meant as a joke (if you refer to the comment I think you are).
@raiders1815 the command for the charge alone, it was suicide, yes. But for the men themselves in the charge, they did what was asked of them to the very end, and it was indeed glorious.
@MrCopperhead1861 The command for the charge alone ended in slaughter, yes. But for the men themselves in the charge, they did what was asked of them to the very end, and died fighting for what they believed and trusted in. It was indeed glorious.
imagine this was one of the last times a general ran in front of his troops in an assault. they usually sit comfortable a few miles behind lines now, or even in an entirely different country, with technology to send their orders
so inspiring
Chubachus 10 hours ago
done but not defeated long live the south!!!!!
zyzor 1 week ago in playlist Soundtrack
@zyzor If they weren't defeated, the war would still be going on
MrMasterMind172 1 week ago
@MrMasterMind172 war ended but the rebel spirit was never crushed for 10 years after the war former confederate soldiers became guerilla fighters terrorizing the newly established state governments that were often military governments with former union army commanders appointed as the heads.
zyzor 1 week ago
@zyzor If rebel "spirit" means victory, then feel free to believe so. I'm not a northerner nor southerner, but the history books say the Union was the victor in the war.
MrMasterMind172 1 week ago
This charge was doomed to fail since Lee ever got the idea no matter what Lee could have done differently even if everything thing worked up to what Lee was hoping for and then some it still would have failed Longstreet said it himself that no 15'000 men could take that ridge I'm inclined to take his word for it.
I plan to go to Gettysburg in the 2013 reanactment to see for myself what those men would have had to do to succeed will my opinion change maybe but right now doesn't look like it.
ZombieSurvivalist11 1 month ago
@ZombieSurvivalist11 Yeah i've been there a few times and the movie portrays the open space they attacked across pretty well, if its not the actual thing. Even if it hadnt been such open ground they probably would have failed as there were a lot of Federals relatively close to cemetary ridge who could have reinforced without causing holes elsewhere. The whole battle was a poor idea though. They should have forced the Union to attack.
refugeeca 4 weeks ago
@ZombieSurvivalist11 I have just enjoyed a fleeting first visit and planning a return for 2013/150th anniversary. Having seen it I am convinced that Sickles moving to attack saved a Confederate assault along Cemetery Ridge. The artillery failed in its objective but the distance for Pickett and Pettigrew to cross was too great. Lee was in a difficult situation regarding supplies and his opponent was defending -- very difficult decisions to make.
1oldgit 3 weeks ago
@1oldgit Indeed
The Sickles controversy is another I'd like to look into as my regiment I reenact under is from his brigade maybe you and I will see each other there when the time comes.
ZombieSurvivalist11 3 weeks ago
@Dasaver101 I have large portions of family in both North Carolina and Massachusetts and have lived in both states. I would have been one of the ones literally shooting at my own brother during a pickets charge scenario... that would really really suck. I think I would have to intentionally miss or something depending on what state I was fighting against. : /
8peregrint8 3 months ago
GREAT MOVIE, in my opinion, and the music is just gorgeous....All the actors in this movie, did a great job, I think.
dougssmookie 3 months ago
FOR VIRGINIA!!
Rdockerywhat 4 months ago
"General Cleburne seemed to be more despondent than I ever saw him. I was the last one to receive any instructions from him, and as I saluted and bade him good-bye I remarked, ‘Well General, there will not be many of us that will get back to Arkansas,’ to which he replied, 'Well, Govan, if we are to die, let us die like men.'"
Ottoman1337 6 months ago
I say all wars should be fought like the civil war was, bloody a painful, and the officers were in more danger than today, then maybe war would be fought less.
wadens1 6 months ago
They had some balls to walk into enemy fire.
redsoul888 7 months ago
"Boys!!! at the double quick!..." Lo, you are my heto T_T
vass02 7 months ago
One person was owned by the Union canister D:
vass02 7 months ago
Lou Armistead is a true american hero, we could use a few more men like him. A hero always leads from the front
Mr2000hate 7 months ago
@Mr2000hate I agree 110%. Sadly, America no longer produces Great Men, such as Armistead, Chamberlain, Buford, Longstreet, and Lincoln like it used to.
360Nomad 7 months ago
@360Nomad ridiculous; I'm a great man; speak for yourself
8peregrint8 7 months ago
@8peregrint8 I didn't we stopped producing great men. We just produce a lot fewer than before.
360Nomad 7 months ago
@360Nomad you said "no longer produces" stop taking back what you said whenever someone confronts you it makes you a coward, and have reasons before you say things without thinking next time
8peregrint8 7 months ago
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360Nomad 7 months ago
@8peregrint8 Look, I said "America no longer produces Great Men...like it used to." That means essentially the same thing.
360Nomad 7 months ago
@360Nomad honestlyi think Armistead would rather have been sipping lemonade, making love to his wife and managing his plantation than getting shot at. Heroes arise during times when they are needed, there are more heroes than you can imagine.
8peregrint8 7 months ago
@8peregrint8 Well then the Armisteads of this world need to get out of their plantations and save the world (again). Because we're gonna be repeating Gettysburg if they don't.
360Nomad 6 months ago
@360Nomad Troops will be gathered in line formations???, it would be suicide.
jermster17 6 months ago
@jermster17 Not exactly. But at the rate we're going, we might as well start beating each other with canes on the floor of Congress.
360Nomad 6 months ago
@360Nomad
Somehow I feel we'd get more done that way. But, the last statesman died decades ago, all we have now are politicians.
Ottoman1337 6 months ago
@Ottoman1337 Except Ron Paul. A true statesman.
brettdusek 5 months ago
@360Nomad Bullshi*. We produce great leaders EVERY DAY. We just don't use them for military purposes, right now. If there had never been a civil war, you would have never heard of Grant, et al. If there had never been a WWI or WWII, you would have never heard of Eisenhower, Patton, MacArthur, or Bradley for that matter.
mceltix2011 7 months ago
@mceltix2011 You watch the news lately? Apparently there are no great leaders left in Washington. They're all arguing over Bullshit like taxing the rich or whether or not Obama's a Muslim (so what if he is?). All the great leaders you speak off need to step up to the plate soon or we're gonna be repeating Gettysburg.
360Nomad 6 months ago
War was about slavery, that's certain. I still think the Confederates were cooler, though. Good the bluebellies won though, I suppose. The CSA would not have worked at all as an independent nation.
PyjamaShark9 7 months ago
@PyjamaShark9 the CSA was doomed from the beginning
sk8nboomer900 7 months ago
"Move quickly boys, but save your strength for the top!"
thufir420 7 months ago 6
Boys! At the double quick!
PyjamaShark9 7 months ago
3:14-4:12 Best Part :D
360Nomad 8 months ago
The Union Forever!
odonnell1218 8 months ago
Great song
ThePimpycat 8 months ago
Best Civil War movie ever!!!
sradley89 8 months ago 2
Give 'em double canister! That's it Cushing, DOUBLE CANISTER!!!
hancock63 8 months ago
Slavery was a very minor issue at the beginning. Believe it or not, that's fact. When Virginia voted for secession slavery was not mentioned once.
JoeyLeafRunner 8 months ago
@JoeyLeafRunner as an avid lover of history Ive looked through these issues and am not in anyway convinced that slavery was minor everything some how comes back to the issue of slavery making it major in the case of the Civil war sure there were other things but it all some how comes back to the issue of slavery
mgk22 8 months ago
THATS THE STYLE LOU THATS THE STYLE!!!!!! --- grew up watching this movie over and over again and that line and this song has Lou is going over the wall with his hat held high gets me till this day. Awesome movie.
humm1na 8 months ago
To the front boys 1,2!! WERE WITH YOU GENERAL!!
zacher456 8 months ago
Im a yankee
xMarines52x 9 months ago
every war movie should have this music on the last battle ;]
tranqu2016 9 months ago
every war movie should have this music on the last baatle ;]
tranqu2016 9 months ago
Lo ruined the ending for me, sun of a bitch with your half ass acting, but the music went perfectly
Crazyman1212 9 months ago
@Crazyman1212 The actor, Richard Jordan, did an amazing job considering he had a brain tumor that would claim his life shortly after filming
RR1176 9 months ago
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RR1176 9 months ago
Pickett never forgave Lee. He said "That old man killed my whole battalion". He and other Generals did not want to have the charge, but followed Lee's orders. I believe this is one of the very few mistakes Lee made. Later when Lee told Pickett to bring his battalion, Pickett answered "Sir, I have no battalion." At the 75 year commemoration of the War and at a re-enactment of Pickett's Charge, the former Union men could not watch and ran to meet the former Confederate men. They hugged and cried.
MyMoppet52 10 months ago 13
@MyMoppet52 Division not Battalion.
woz30 9 months ago
@woz30 Thank you. I don't know a lot of the military terms, as you can tell, but I am fascinated by history. When I heard that comment in the documentary it just stuck in my mind. I thought it was so incredibly sad. I appreciate your correction. Thanks.
MyMoppet52 9 months ago
@MyMoppet52 Just a correction: Pickett commanded a division, not a battalion.
Artexerxes101 3 months ago
@Artexerxes101 Thank you. I don't know the correct terms as you can see. I do appreciate your comment, but I've been told at least once. Perhaps more. Thanks. I think I'm going to learn military jargon!
woz30 Thank you. I don't know a lot of the military terms, as you can tell, but I am fascinated by history. When I heard that comment in the documentary it just stuck in my mind. I thought it was so incredibly sad. I appreciate your correction. Thanks.
MyMoppet52 5 months ago
MyMoppet52 3 months ago
@MyMoppet52 if the cavalry had not failed the charge would had been successful
ivanlegenda 3 months ago
@MyMoppet52 You are correct, but it was division not battalion.
njdevil281 1 month ago
@MyMoppet52 Just want to correct you a bit, Picket said "I have no division", not battalion. Pickets charge should never have happened like it did, but the blame can not be laid only at Lee's door, his plan was actually very complex and if it had been executed like he wanted to the union would have been in dire problems. The confederate cannonade was also not as effective as it should be, in many ways one can view picket's charge as the "battle of the Somme" of the ACW.
PPJ93 1 month ago
@MyMoppet52 75 years later? They weren't dead, and were running?
Ramniir 3 weeks ago
@Ramniir No, they weren't all dead yet. There were still some survivors of the War left. Some even did step-dancing though some couldn't even walk. Tonight the national news reported the last known survivor of WWI passed away. History has a way of sneaking up on the current times.
MyMoppet52 3 weeks ago
People like to talk about Pickett's charge as being something amazing, but they had all the artillery prep they could muster at their disposal, and only advanced over one mile of ground.
At the battle of Franklin, Confederate troops had to advance on entrenched Federals with almost no artillery prep from only one battery, over two miles of open ground. Nashville/Franklin/Spring Hill was the campaign of forlorn hope. The Western theater doesn't get any of the attention it deserves.
Ottoman1337 10 months ago
Give them the cold steel!
rvg25k 10 months ago
Slaughter: They choose to die like men with Honor and fight for what was right to them, regardless of the price. Glory
nhriley2002 10 months ago
When they said Pickett's division was virtually destroyed they spoke the truth. It's hard to believe that a whole division could be wiped out but it happened nonetheless. My hats off to those brave boys
civilwarcorporal 10 months ago
@civilwarcorporal More like hopeless romantics. Longstreet said it would fail and it did, with irreversible results for the Army of Northern Virgina.
Lee had what... 4 corps and by battle's end he had two shot up corps, one destroyed corps, and the last was completely destroyed?
FLJBeliever1776 10 months ago
I am British, but have studied about the American civil war, War in itself is stupid....but, a Civil war...kin against kin??? now that is insane...Just like the English civil war x 2.... Absolutely ludicrous
6704645 1 year ago
@6704645 No kidding. What's worse is that it was over slavery. No matter how it was cut, that was the core issue. Though arguably, we weren't having so many kin fight one another towards the end.
One of the corps at Gettysburg were Dutch immigrants and there were several Irish regiments on both sides.
The Irish... I wonder how the Southern aligned Irish would have taken to having British support... not well I think.
FLJBeliever1776 11 months ago
@FLJBeliever1776 The 11th Corps was not made up of Dutch immigrants, but Germans. In the 19th century, many Americans referred to German immigrants as "Dutch" or "Dutchmen." It's a corruption of the German word describing their own ethnicity: Deutsch. When you see references to the Dutch or Dutchmen as to the 11th Corps it's in reference to it large number of German-speaking soldiers not immigrants from the Netherlands.
mkeogh76 10 months ago
@mkeogh76 Make sense now, than you.
FLJBeliever1776 10 months ago
@FLJBeliever1776 Slavery was not the core issue. The main issue was the balance of power between a central federal government & the government of an individual state. That same issue is present today,however, ironicly, it's the Republicans who represent state rights and Democrats are pro big federal government. Slavery was the catalyst but war probably would had occurred even if slavery was not threatened to be abolished.
woz30 9 months ago
@woz30 I'm not sure where you got your information, but you mixed up the two parties by mistake.
As for the core issue, it had always been slavery. If you look back to two enactments by Congress, you will find that slavery had been a core issue, if not THE core issue. Furthermore, if the South had truly meant to fight for State's Rights, why is it that they threw a fit when California voted to be One, Free State and tried hard to break up California into two pieces?
It was all about Slavery.
FLJBeliever1776 9 months ago
@FLJBeliever1776 it was all about representation in congress free states to that of slave states.
classicrocker2142 8 months ago
FREDRICKSBURG! FREDRICKSBURG!
markmason1000 1 year ago 24
@markmason1000 the demise of the USA
Anon1913 3 months ago
@Anon1913 thats what 2nd corps men yelled after they repulsed Picketts Charge
markmason1000 3 months ago
@markmason1000 yes I know, I'm a confed
Anon1913 3 months ago
"Virginians! Who will follow me?"
His charge reminds me of Last Samurai. DX
psymaster1234 1 year ago
@psymaster1234 Only its not fiction, but reality that shattered several divisions so badly that in all likelihood, their colors were retired.
Truthfully, I think both sides should have gotten the MOH, there was simply that much courage to outweigh the stupidity of both sides, like a couple of ANV officers nearly having a duel in the middle of a battle!
FLJBeliever1776 11 months ago
i have watched this before whn i was young... though i didnt quite understand, i love everything abt it... e bravery, e music whch perfectly fits e movie especially Randy Edelman - Main Title whch was a song i never forget for years... im watching it all again, Gettysburg, Gods and Generals... both movies depicting e american civil war... god bless
zxd3stin27xz 1 year ago
They were brave men indeed, and should be remembered as such, but I must agree with President Woodrow Wilson, himself a virginian, who said: "Because I love the south, I rejoice in the failure of the Confederacy."
It was an abominable government, based on the abominable belief that all men are not created equal. Long live the Union.
Aslaug75 1 year ago 5
@Aslaug75 Don't believe everything the textbooks say. research true history. Lincoln himself declared the negroe not equal to the white man and put a plan together to send them all back to Africa, stating that both races would be better off.
The Civil War was not all based on slavery. The south tried to prevent a lot of the federal mess we have today.
Another note, union army was segregated. Southern army was integrated. food for thought.
Vladimast 3 months ago
@Vladimast . Lincoln didn't consider black men his equal but he publicily stated that never a moment in his life did he think slavery was moral and honestly when you compare him to his opposite in the confederate white house in Richmond you shouldn't be throwing stones considering you live in a glass house. You say that the confederate army was intergrated but thats only because the confederacy was ondeaths door. and if it wasnt based on slavery what was it based on?
markmason1000 3 months ago
Awesome.
TheLegolasguy 1 year ago
Armistead was a great leader. I hope he's in heaven
mike28156 1 year ago 7
@mike28156 he is definitely...
zxd3stin27xz 1 year ago
@zxd3stin27xz probably so
mike28156 1 year ago
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360Nomad 4 months ago
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@mike28156 Seems like we still need him down on Earth.
360Nomad 4 months ago
Only 1 dislike click because retards doesn't look for sounds like these : >
RomanBMW 1 year ago
May those brave sons of Virginia rest easy knowing they will be remembered and honored for all time.
PalaceofDallas 1 year ago
"Get up men! Fire!"
That was one of my favorite moments in the movie, the Irish Brigade truly shined in that moment, but the Confederates under Armistead shined even brighter
Spartanz1170 1 year ago
I remember being a kid, I would have the movie Gettysburg playing, and have all my civil war figurines set up and setting up all the pieces in accordance to the movie. I had over 3,000 civil war pieces ( a lot were passed down). Got tired of p laying with the figurines and joined the hobby. I'm pressing 30 these days and that soundtrack, that movie only take me back to fond childhood memories! I just got back in to the hobby for the 150th cycle! Been busy with the Army.
brokenspears 1 year ago
@brokenspears You are just like me but your older, ah I will never forget those days
Spartanz1170 1 year ago
@brokenspears That sounds so fun! Childhood memories are the best :)
Butternut731863 1 year ago
@Alexandros1294. Yes, most hist. textbooks are. Lee didn't try to avoid "huge engagements," (there were a few pretty big ones to come) but the US finally got some decent field commanders at the top (Grant for exmp.) while the South steadily lost their most able ones. Lee never lost his nerve, but he never came close to numerical equaility again. Fewer men+ better opponents= less chance of a favorable position for battle. That's quite a bit over simplified, but maybe will help.
poncho109jab 1 year ago
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Butternut731863 1 year ago
"Up men! Up! And to your posts! Let no man forget, that you are from old Virginia!"
"VIRGINIA! VIRGINIA! VIRGINIA!"
Love the movie. And people, shut your mouths about the war. It's over, no amount of wishing is going to change that. Besides, I don't remember anything in the video that says start discussions and arguments on the Civil War. Listen to this masterpiece and be awed by it!
Omnikron228 1 year ago
For those who were talking about other nations that also had slavery before,during, and/or after the American Civil War, most of those nations didn't pride themselves on freedom, rights, and brotherhood as the United States has in the past and does to this to this day.
Warcauser 1 year ago
The snare drums are the best part.
Nightmonkey17 1 year ago
love that movie....... watch it over and over again
t3hQuickscopeTheory 1 year ago
"General Lee, I have no division." DUM DUM DUM
SHADOWFREAK55 1 year ago 4
"Virginias, Virginias!! With me!! Who will come with me?!?" General Armistead.
demeandr121 1 year ago 5
I may not support the South's ideas back during the war but one should pay respect for those who charged an onslaught with valor.
Warcauser 1 year ago 18
And so they marched to their deaths but they live forever in the annuals of history! RIP brave soldiers!
Gruntvc 1 year ago
watching those soldiers go into unyielding fire and seeing the shells exploding and the whistling flares with the part at 1:00 playing moved me
zacher456 1 year ago
I blew my car speakers on the addiction of this song.
julius923 1 year ago 3
VIRGINIA!
ThePunisher1978 2 years ago 5
GIVE EM THE COLD STEEL!
spongee0112 2 years ago 18
Definitely my favorite song from the movie. Next to fife and gun.
bullyboy1863 2 years ago 2
Great book to read about Civil War is April 1865.
Sight19 2 years ago 3
@Sight19 thanks for recommending it
mappoprimo 2 years ago
No problem. There is also a history channel movie about the book called the same. It is not nearly as good though!
Sight19 2 years ago
Just started reading the Oxford History of America (ten books, each with at least 800 pages, sigh) and i must say that the Civil War was far more complicated than i imagined. I also learned that slavery indeed was a main reason for the war, a fact that I thought was a later fabrication by the Yankees to make them look better. But i still retain my old belief that the Union did something unforgivable when unleashing Sherman, whom also was involved in the slaughter of the indians.
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
To Faxe90Swe, In regards to Sherman. He may have unleashed the hells of war on the south in quick fashion but maybe look at it this way too. The war ended quicker. The tactic of walking in a nice neat line up to the enemy was killing tens of thousands. Imaging if that war just kept going on! It had to end. Total war ended it.
GMBregoli 2 years ago
I'm sorry dude but most of the south was to poor to even own slaves, that many men would not die for slaves they did not have. And if you look at the debates about the slaves before the war the south was already moving to freeing them. and if you read some of what Lincoln says BEFORE the war he did not care about the slaves at all he just wanted the US to make it's mind up and free them or not and they tryed to force the south and the south wanted to be able to make its own mind up.
IRONiHonakoo 2 years ago
But as long as there were slaves, these slave-less 75% percent of the Southern population would never haft to be considered the lowest class. And as for freeing the slaves: no, no, no. They expanded slavery (the Kansas-Nebraska Act) and legitimized it nationally (the Dred Scott case). The South even tried to get the United States into annexing Cuba and the 400, 000 slaves residing there. The South as a whole wanted an empire for slavery, an ambition kept fresh until the outbreak of war.
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
Exactly.
PajamaShark9 2 years ago
@Faxe90Swe Um no, much of the South did not care for slavery, for example many Generals in the Confederate Army in the Civil War wanted African Americans fighting along side them as a cause for freedom. Lt. Gen. James Longstreet: "We should have freed the slaves, then fired on Fort Sumpter." Slavery was a part of their industry, as it was in much of the world, but what you have just suggested is that the South is a mindless government who just wants a slavery empire. And you my friend are wrong.
Movieman88773 2 years ago 2
@Movieman88773
"as it was in much of the world"... except for Portugal, I don´t know any other country that still retained slavery in the 1860`s.
I don´t say that they were mindless, on the contrary, they did whatever it took to advance their own society and its institutions - that sounds perfectly natural to me!
You are very rude to say that im wrong you know, and it´s very arrogant. Why not "in my opinion, you are wrong". Proves that you can´t be a Southerner, eh?
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
@Faxe90Swe
Brazil was the only other slaveholding country in the 1860's besides the United States and the Confederacy.
lothaw 1 year ago
@lothaw
And Portugal.
Faxe90Swe 1 year ago
@lothaw Saudi Arabia had slavery well into the 1980's.....
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
the generals on the north were idiots, and they would treat there soldiers like animals really. I think Grant even said it does not reallly matter if one of my soldiers dies, now grant had nothing to do with gettysburg, but the same theme could be felt throughout the union army. And because of it the soldiers on the norht had low morale. So i would have to say that the South fouhgt with more heart.
faasprabbit 2 years ago
The North had low morale for alot of things 1 being that they really did not understand what they where fighting for. if you do alot of research it is pretty clear that the South was not fighting for slaves most of the south was to poor to even own slave, and many of the South Generals even said they should have let the slave free before starting the war that way it could not be used to make them look bad, witch is what the north did
IRONiHonakoo 2 years ago
Setting aside your terrible grammar and spelling, I will say this, a chief cause of the Civil war was the issue of State's rights. That being said we must also look at the other issues of the day, such as the introduction of several states which were admitted as either slave states or free states. This terrible system eventually lead to in balance from which we see threats of succession, and those threats becoming a reality with the election of Abraham Lincoln.
Grumpycline 2 years ago 2
@Grumpycline
And you complain about grammar and spelling?! "threats of succession"! You don´t mean secession, by chance?
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
no i'll tell u what lost Picketts charge was the fence it slowed them down big time and the north cut them to pieces at that fence , that south actually got to the stone wall unlike the norht at fredericksburg who never got within 50 yards of it, the south fought with 10X more heart then the north
DagameYea 2 years ago
You got any sources for that? No, I didn't think so.
There are lots of factors for why Pickett's charge was a failure. Such as the CSA artillery overshooting, for example. You can never pick out single causes for why battles and wars go as they do. And making ridiculous statements like "the south fought with 10X more heart than the north" is just plain disrespectful. You don't think the Union soldiers had heart marching towards the wall at Fredericksburg?
PhilipTT 2 years ago 7
If you read what many of what the Union soldiers wrote it is pretty clear the Union did not have very good morale, And as for the South after Pickett's charge many of them wanted to charge again. You won't find any good info about the war if you just read textbook crap the North won the war they are NOT going to put down that they had low morale and the south put up a better fight. The South had less mman less fire power and the north had more deaths by the end of the war.
IRONiHonakoo 2 years ago
"Outside the Appalachian highlands many of the nonslaveholders were linked to the ruling class by ties of kinship, aspirations for slave ownership, or mutual dislike of Yankees and other outsiders. A caste system as well as a form of labor, slavery elevated all whites to the ruling caste and thereby reduced the potential for class conflict. However poor and illiterate some whites may have been, they were still whites." James M. McPherson (who, for the record, do mention low Union morale)
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
If I remember right, after Gettysburg, didn't Robert E. Lee lose the will to fight?
Alexandros1294 2 years ago
No.
IRONiHonakoo 2 years ago
Hmm. What I remember from History Class last year was that he never got in any huge engagements anymore and tried his hardest to avoid them. Like I said, my memory is hazy, and school textbook history is.... pathetic.
Alexandros1294 2 years ago
Robert E. Lee never lost the will to fight. He only surrendered to save the lives of his men. He actually said that he would rather die than surrender, and after the war he said that he wished he had fought to the death.
Lesnar316F5 1 year ago
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mappoprimo 2 years ago
@DagameYea yep! ;)
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!! (rebel shout)
mappoprimo 2 years ago 2
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Butternut731863 1 year ago
"Over the fence, lads, but save your strength for the top, and get over the fence quickly!" (Brigadier General Richard Brooke Garnett, CSA)
Braincase43 2 years ago 2
For old VIRGINIA!
sebs42 2 years ago 4
Heritage not hate
tommygun6644 2 years ago 5
I got ancestors on both ends of this war. I'll echo that.
goldenhide 2 years ago 2
Oh, the moment what the Pickett's charge was stopped by the federal artillery shots a lot over the confederate soldiers... and the union infantry shots the muskets with anger and reveange, remembering Bull Run (The two ones), Fredericksburg and another battles in Virginian soil... the General Hooker's horribles and bloody mistakes
SAUL2004 2 years ago
Judging from this charge, you can really see the bands to the British: Balaklava, Spioenkop, Op. Goodwood, Bunker Hill, Fontenoy, Ticonderoga etc. etc. (Surely, all armies have made themselves guilty of bad decisions, but I think the Anglo-Saxons, including Americans, top the list) P.S. No offense intended.
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
I agree, the fire arms had exceeded the tactics.
1961sd 2 years ago 2
Indeed, and then have bobwire and deep defense added to that and you have World War 1.
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
its barbed wire, hence why it is so painful
jvdunn 2 years ago 4
Thank you for the correction.
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
English are terrible commanders Saxons on the other hand rock and you must know there is a difference
AdmiralPrussia 2 years ago
Haha, Anglo-saxons is a term for the English and Americans etc. It does not have much to do with the actual saxons, at least not in our days.
Faxe90Swe 2 years ago
@Faxe90Swe No, I think they are simply better documented. I notice all those battles were in conflicts that the British were victorious in. Indeed, all of those battles mentioned had the British attacking. Besides if you measure up British victories against her defeats you'll clearly find the British have a very positive ratio.
Talbot6832 1 year ago
@Talbot6832 Umm, I´m not sure what you´re talking about. Indeed the British has a good victory/defeat ratio in war, but when it comes down to the actual battles of the wars, then the ratio is a bit more balanced. All of those battles i mentioned ended in complete carnage for the British, even though they in some of the examples won the battle in the end (like Bunker hill).
Anyway, what i wrote was meant as a joke (if you refer to the comment I think you are).
Faxe90Swe 1 year ago
"Thats the style, Lo! That's the style!" That was an epic moment - the music at 0:57 really makes me picture the glory of Picketts Charge.
Berlin1811 2 years ago 34
2:39 does it for me!
jg2904 2 years ago 2
@Berlin1811 glory? more like suicide
raiders1815 11 months ago
@raiders1815 the command for the charge alone, it was suicide, yes. But for the men themselves in the charge, they did what was asked of them to the very end, and it was indeed glorious.
Berlin1811 11 months ago
@Berlin1811 Glory? It was slaughter!
MrCopperhead1861 10 months ago
@MrCopperhead1861 The command for the charge alone ended in slaughter, yes. But for the men themselves in the charge, they did what was asked of them to the very end, and died fighting for what they believed and trusted in. It was indeed glorious.
Berlin1811 10 months ago
@Berlin1811 Come on boy, what will you think of yourself tomorrow? Virginians, who will come with me?
RR1176 10 months ago
geez think of all the courage those men had marching a half mile on open ground wal under fire and the heat,
cloud45s 2 years ago 2
God bless Armistead who bravely led his virginian during the Pickett's charge
sgtSoupy 2 years ago 48
@sgtSoupy And Garnett, Haskell, Pettigrew, Trimble, Mahone, Kemper, and all the other brave soldiers who made that charge.
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GETTYSBURGbook 1 year ago
@sgtSoupy
He only charged with 1 virginian?
IndyRamMan 11 months ago
imagine this was one of the last times a general ran in front of his troops in an assault. they usually sit comfortable a few miles behind lines now, or even in an entirely different country, with technology to send their orders
GorinRedspear 2 years ago 11
Don't you love how Brigadier General Armistead has three stars when he should have had only one?!!! LOL
FrieLegos 2 years ago