I think kind of the reverse of what you said. no crime is infinite so infinite punishment is just. this thought is framed within the idea of heaven and hell. murdering a child might be infinite but remember that that child is going to heaven after making the crime not infinite but just a moment in time for an infinite soul. the person that commited the crime however is going to suffer for the rest of enternity. I don't see this as just.
what i meant is infinite punishment is always unjust in the context of heaven and hell. this is because murder is not permant but just a point of change of someones soul. an individual can kill an innocent person but that person will spend the rest of enternity in heaven so how can you punish them with enternal suffering.
I agree punishment without purpose seems meaningless. but thats not to say that i against with taking harmful individuals out of society not for their own sake but for ours. if some is a perpetual violent criminal then and reform is unable to be acheived then they deserve to be prison not because it helps them but because its cheaper to society to lock them up.
Any punishment, with or without purpose, does not make any good. The very act of punishment indicates the helplessness of punisher, does not matter a parent is punishing his child or God punishes somebody. In the last case the omnipotent God failed to avoid punishment revealing His weakness, which sounds contradicting.
Murderers should die, rapists should die, child molesters should die, it's that simple. An eye for an eye. We should hold public executions of such criminals. Liberals keep them alive and have created laws to help them go free only to do it again. Liberals support murdering babies. Partial term abortion is murder.
What? Lack of compassion? I have no compassion for such criminals. They should be executed immediately. Life is all about making the right choices. These types of criminals are pure evil. What about the victim? There is no such thing as a victimless crime.
That definition appears in dictionaries. Has been there for quite some time. Your comment is sort of true. Global warming enthusiasts have been referred to as part of a religious movement for example.
You and I are of like mind. My approach is to think of violators as faulty machines; they either need to be fixed, segregated, or decommissioned. But, practically speaking, I don't actually condone the decommissioning (capital punishment) of people since our justice system is as flawed as humans can be. We sometimes convict innocent people despite what we would like to believe. Punishment is only useful if it serves as a disincentive or as a method to reform; both of which may be questionable.
I think kind of the reverse of what you said. no crime is infinite so infinite punishment is just. this thought is framed within the idea of heaven and hell. murdering a child might be infinite but remember that that child is going to heaven after making the crime not infinite but just a moment in time for an infinite soul. the person that commited the crime however is going to suffer for the rest of enternity. I don't see this as just.
kanondrum 3 years ago
what i meant is infinite punishment is always unjust in the context of heaven and hell. this is because murder is not permant but just a point of change of someones soul. an individual can kill an innocent person but that person will spend the rest of enternity in heaven so how can you punish them with enternal suffering.
kanondrum 3 years ago
I wonder if depth of suffering and lengh of suffering are ever commensurable.
From the point of view of length of suffering, I completely agree with you.
I do not subscribe to punishment for its own sake. Punishment without purpose (learning, reform, ...) seems meaningless to me, and thus, unjust.
Cimbolic 3 years ago
I agree punishment without purpose seems meaningless. but thats not to say that i against with taking harmful individuals out of society not for their own sake but for ours. if some is a perpetual violent criminal then and reform is unable to be acheived then they deserve to be prison not because it helps them but because its cheaper to society to lock them up.
kanondrum 3 years ago
I agree. Some people must be isolated from society in order to protect society.
I would not consider that to be "punishment". It's an isolation that is unfortunately necessary.
Cimbolic 3 years ago
Any punishment, with or without purpose, does not make any good. The very act of punishment indicates the helplessness of punisher, does not matter a parent is punishing his child or God punishes somebody. In the last case the omnipotent God failed to avoid punishment revealing His weakness, which sounds contradicting.
wholethinker 3 years ago
I agree with you that "the very act of punishment indicates the helplessness of the punisher." An excellent observation.
Yes divine punishment seems very paradoxical to me.
In a sense, all punishment is blind if it is meant only to cause suffering.
Cimbolic 3 years ago
Murderers should die, rapists should die, child molesters should die, it's that simple. An eye for an eye. We should hold public executions of such criminals. Liberals keep them alive and have created laws to help them go free only to do it again. Liberals support murdering babies. Partial term abortion is murder.
tiitytat 3 years ago
Labeling and lack of compassion.
Cimbolic 3 years ago
What? Lack of compassion? I have no compassion for such criminals. They should be executed immediately. Life is all about making the right choices. These types of criminals are pure evil. What about the victim? There is no such thing as a victimless crime.
tiitytat 3 years ago
I do not believe in "evil".
I do not believe than vengeance accomplishes anything.
Cimbolic 3 years ago
Then you do not believe in "good" either. However, you do believe in judging others. Do you even believe in yourself?
tiitytat 3 years ago
You are using the word "believe" in two different senses.
Cimbolic 3 years ago
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion
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These are the words studied by the U S Supreme Court to determine that Atheism is a religion.
Result. Under the laws of the United States of America, Atheism is classified as a religion.
Atheism
Protestantism
Judaism
Buddhism
Hinduism
etc and so on
GreatSatan1 3 years ago
GS1,
By that definition, any obsession qualifies as a "religion". :)
Cimbolic 3 years ago
That definition appears in dictionaries. Has been there for quite some time. Your comment is sort of true. Global warming enthusiasts have been referred to as part of a religious movement for example.
GreatSatan1 3 years ago
Hmmmmm ....
Maybe I don't have to pay taxes on my obsessions. :)
Cimbolic 3 years ago
Maybe not!. lo)
GreatSatan1 3 years ago
You and I are of like mind. My approach is to think of violators as faulty machines; they either need to be fixed, segregated, or decommissioned. But, practically speaking, I don't actually condone the decommissioning (capital punishment) of people since our justice system is as flawed as humans can be. We sometimes convict innocent people despite what we would like to believe. Punishment is only useful if it serves as a disincentive or as a method to reform; both of which may be questionable.
LogicSolver 3 years ago
I am in total agreement with you, LS.
Cimbolic 3 years ago
It's a good thing I don't believe in infinity ;)
PoopShoot1102 3 years ago
:-)
Cimbolic 3 years ago
I disagree that murder of a child outweighs infinite punishment, though no amount of punishment can ever undo the crime.
PoopShoot1102 3 years ago
It's always difficult to compare infinities.
Cimbolic 3 years ago