While studying Judiasm I noticed that the Conservative and Reform communities have strong involvement by women while the Orthodox community is dominated by men with only a marginal peripheral involvement by women. There is a dissonance that needs to be addressed but the actions of the Kotel Women only produce the hysterical reaction to the " other"- the stamping of the feet , the cry of "ossur" and worse yet, violence.
If these silly women were actually interested in Judaism, and not their feminist rights, they would respect the primary source texts and what is written their concerning tallit, tefillin etc. Any scholar with more than a cretin's level of intelligence can see what these people are trying to do.
My son, fear thou Hashem and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change - Proverbs 24:21
As far as I know, the western wall is a public place. I don't think this is a religious issue anymore; it's a human rights issue. Do Israeli women have the same rights as their male counterparts? What about women's right to freedom of expression? Isn't this aptitude toward women a sort of religious segregation?. What's next? Are they going to force women to sit in the back of the public buses, like the KKK used to do with blacks in the segregated states? Very Slippery road.
The Kotel is NOT an Orthodox synagogue. It just so happens that Orthodox Jewish men run the Kotel. Therefore, you're argument is completely invalid.
Also, it is clearly stated in this (beautifully made) video that this is NOT a "political provocation." Women have every right to pray at the Wall the same way men do. No where in the Torah does it state that women who wish to wear prayer shawls or tefillin may not do so.
There must be a way to accommodate all who come in the name of G-d to pray. Perhaps a "mechitza" on the woman's side of the wall that permits respect for all practices. Kol Yisrael areivim zeh ba zeh.
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This is nothing more than a political provocation.
The Wall is sacred mainly because for hundreds of years orthodox Jews prayed there, it is an first and foremost an orthodox synagogue.
I find your behavior disrespectful and rude toward the people praying at the wall.
You are more than welcome to pray as you wish in your temples but in an orthodox synagogue you should respect the practices that are held there for hundreds of years.
@elivingt -- did you ever consider that "hundreds of years ago", the only Jews in the region were Mizrachi/Sephardi? We do not have these "orthodox", "conservative", "reform" movements. European orthodoxy did not come into existence until fairly modern times, and they were not in Israel until even more recently! When my parents' generation first came to Israel, there was no Mechitza. The way it should be, in my opinion.
@elivingt In reality not even the Orthodox and their predecessors (pre-1800) entertained the notion that the Kotel haMa`aravi's plaza is an Orthodox synagogue until about the 1990's. Only at some point at that time did Orthodox powers-that-be establish it's an Orthodox synagogue. Please don't try to pull the wool over everybody's eyes and expect to get away with it.
Why can't these women be left alone at the wall? Pray the way you want and leave other people alone! If Muslims came in and kick you out of the Kotel because they don't like the way you pray, you would be upset. Why does it hurt you for these women to wrap themselves in something that brings them closer to Judaism?
And p.s. I'm an Orthodox woman. I do my own thing and let others do the same. Live and let live!
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These poor women have nothing else to do but this? Can you just keep the Torah the way it was given? We really don't need the "reforms" of Reform Judaism. You don't want to be called "Orthodox"? Then just be and be called a "Shomer Torah U'mitzvot". The Torah gives men and women plenty of ways to do his commandments and honor him. Don't change them.
I got a question why can't women in the orthodox movement be Rabbis only to deal with issues only pertain to them?
naphtalite 4 months ago
Although Im Orthodox and STRONGLY disagree with what they are doing I do not agree with how some of the men throw chairs and curse at them.
KingOystar 4 months ago
While studying Judiasm I noticed that the Conservative and Reform communities have strong involvement by women while the Orthodox community is dominated by men with only a marginal peripheral involvement by women. There is a dissonance that needs to be addressed but the actions of the Kotel Women only produce the hysterical reaction to the " other"- the stamping of the feet , the cry of "ossur" and worse yet, violence.
IanHunedoara8 8 months ago
I see many of their heads uncovered, why do they ignore Halacha?
yos5499 8 months ago
@yos5499
i am single no need cover nothing
krungan 5 months ago
If these silly women were actually interested in Judaism, and not their feminist rights, they would respect the primary source texts and what is written their concerning tallit, tefillin etc. Any scholar with more than a cretin's level of intelligence can see what these people are trying to do.
My son, fear thou Hashem and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change - Proverbs 24:21
Yoshiyahu613 1 year ago
Shalom,
As far as I know, the western wall is a public place. I don't think this is a religious issue anymore; it's a human rights issue. Do Israeli women have the same rights as their male counterparts? What about women's right to freedom of expression? Isn't this aptitude toward women a sort of religious segregation?. What's next? Are they going to force women to sit in the back of the public buses, like the KKK used to do with blacks in the segregated states? Very Slippery road.
RabinoBoricuaVirtual 2 years ago
Re: elivingt's comment -
The Kotel is NOT an Orthodox synagogue. It just so happens that Orthodox Jewish men run the Kotel. Therefore, you're argument is completely invalid.
Also, it is clearly stated in this (beautifully made) video that this is NOT a "political provocation." Women have every right to pray at the Wall the same way men do. No where in the Torah does it state that women who wish to wear prayer shawls or tefillin may not do so.
Keep up the good work, WOW!
miribea26 2 years ago 2
There must be a way to accommodate all who come in the name of G-d to pray. Perhaps a "mechitza" on the woman's side of the wall that permits respect for all practices. Kol Yisrael areivim zeh ba zeh.
sfrantbrooks 2 years ago
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This is nothing more than a political provocation.
The Wall is sacred mainly because for hundreds of years orthodox Jews prayed there, it is an first and foremost an orthodox synagogue.
I find your behavior disrespectful and rude toward the people praying at the wall.
You are more than welcome to pray as you wish in your temples but in an orthodox synagogue you should respect the practices that are held there for hundreds of years.
elivingt 2 years ago
@elivingt , if you look at pictures of the Kotel from 1910-1930, you will see that men and women prayed together there without a mechitsa!
nombei7 1 year ago 2
@elivingt -- did you ever consider that "hundreds of years ago", the only Jews in the region were Mizrachi/Sephardi? We do not have these "orthodox", "conservative", "reform" movements. European orthodoxy did not come into existence until fairly modern times, and they were not in Israel until even more recently! When my parents' generation first came to Israel, there was no Mechitza. The way it should be, in my opinion.
discus88 1 year ago
@elivingt In reality not even the Orthodox and their predecessors (pre-1800) entertained the notion that the Kotel haMa`aravi's plaza is an Orthodox synagogue until about the 1990's. Only at some point at that time did Orthodox powers-that-be establish it's an Orthodox synagogue. Please don't try to pull the wool over everybody's eyes and expect to get away with it.
ZviJ1 1 year ago
You can do want you want but you need to respect the ancient traditions of the Kotel.Pray on it .
27long 2 years ago
@27long And what, pray tell, are those ancient traditions?
ZviJ1 1 year ago
Why can't these women be left alone at the wall? Pray the way you want and leave other people alone! If Muslims came in and kick you out of the Kotel because they don't like the way you pray, you would be upset. Why does it hurt you for these women to wrap themselves in something that brings them closer to Judaism?
And p.s. I'm an Orthodox woman. I do my own thing and let others do the same. Live and let live!
thdju 2 years ago 7
@thdju Islam gives the right of any non-believer to practice as how they wish
oofeewise 1 year ago
@thdju These women aren't prophets or prophetesses. They're trying to redefine Judaism.
emencz 1 month ago
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These poor women have nothing else to do but this? Can you just keep the Torah the way it was given? We really don't need the "reforms" of Reform Judaism. You don't want to be called "Orthodox"? Then just be and be called a "Shomer Torah U'mitzvot". The Torah gives men and women plenty of ways to do his commandments and honor him. Don't change them.
zfeld 3 years ago
Looks GREAT... I can't wait to see it !!!!!
goodfilms4u 3 years ago 4
I desperately want to get into contact with WOW - but I'm unable to. Does anyone know how I can?
channahbatchayimlabe 3 years ago 3