@858wells because theyre completely different engines. people simply need to grow up and stop arguing over minor things. calling 2 vastly different engines the same thing wont help
@858wells because theyre completely different engines. people simply need to grow up and stop arguing over minor things. calling 2 vastly different engines the same thing wont help
@858wells because theyre completely different engines. people simply need to grow up and stop arguing over minor things. calling 2 vastly different engines the same thing wont help
@RiceKiller191 cuz people like arguing, lol. but as much as i love lt1s, ls1 is better in every aspect. except low end torque, i guess, but thats more than made up by the higher peak torque, higher hp, greater efficiency, etc. not really opinion.
@RiceKiller191 oh, i dunno. you cant bore an ls1 much without getting new liners, since its aluminum block. but you can bore it out plenty. the block is the same for the 6.2L LS3. the LS7 has different bore spacing, so that wouldnt work, but still.
@pepene93 I'm guessing you've never seen a side by side comparison of the dyno graphs of these engines. The LS1 still has more low end torque at all RPMs I don't understand where several people get the idea that LT1s are faster in the low RPMs. The LT1 might seem faster because the power starts dropping off and the hard acceleration feeling disappears where in the LS1 it just continues and it's also harder to launch the quicker LS1 off the line.
@pepene93 What dyno graphs are you looking at? I hope it's a C5 vette vs. a c4 vette comparison since the f body graphs are artificially reduced so that customers won't see that the cheaper f body makes the same power as a corvette. At the 3000 RPM you claim the LS1 makes about 25lb'ft more than the LT1 There is no point at any RPM that the LS1 makes less lb/ft of torque than the LT1. Just so you know I own an LT1 so I'm no LS1 fanboy.
PrimeraRSTKD: alot of people think an LT1 cannot take out a stock LS1. i've proved them wrong on several occassions!!! I for one beleive you've
taken your share of LS1's. but for us LT1 owners it's always the same,people refuse to beleive that yes GOOD running LT1's can and do beat LS1's sometimes!!!
F-body guy here. i'm 53 so no b.sing my 93 119,000 mi LT1 formuila, I/E, chip, 160 stat,
(i'm auto and still have the shit 2.73's) have run door to door with a shit load of stock auto LS1's. just my experience i respect everyone's car. 53 and racing since 1974,
a cammed lt1 is a force to reckon with. a cammed lt1 vs a cammed ls1 the lt1 will win. weird. i have owned both and love them to death. lt1 is an amazing motor! stock though ls1 is almost a joke its so fast. good stuff!
I dont know why there is so much bickering between these. Realistically the LS1 doesnt have THAT much more power than the LT1. The ls1 camaro ss have 325hp to the LT1 SS's 305. The main difference is where the power is at. All it took was a cheap homemade intake and weight reduction for my LT1/a4 to run 13.4. Then after e/h, 3.73s and a small 2095 coverter, im running into the 12s fairly easy on street tires. So low 14s stock to 12s for about a grand, now that bad id say. Both are good motors.
@circlelt1 Don't go by advertised horsepower. In reality the LS1 is closer to 350hp. And 12's for an LS1 is as easy as swapping tires - nothing else. Both are respectable powerplants.
LS1: Modern small block. Efficient, smooth, reliable, advanced.
LT1: Old school small block. Torquey, badass sound, reliable still.
There's no doubt LS1 is faster, but not by much.
You know what I say though? It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. And when my LT1 is roaring across the town with its knee snapping torque off the line, I feel alive; and that's all I can ever ask for.
@crackerisntme Yes, the block will stand more abuse. But in order to take any advantage of that, you'd have to get forged internals, strengthen both the heads and the bottom end.
Still...it's a fucking engine block. Shit's expensive.
@crackerisntme If I wanted to get like a 1000hp outta the car yeah definitely. For handling or just daily driving the lighter aluminum block's kinda makes more sense.
I love these LSx vs LTx comparos. Simple fact is it takes more to make a LTx compare to a bolt-on only LSx. I tune both and while I have quick cars from both under my belt it still takes less on a LSx to get the job done. My bolt-on M6 00 LS1 Camaro runs 12.2@112mph cosistantly. Trap speed is low but I also have a 9" and 28" slicks too. Car makes 342rwhp. Good vid and stop the bickering over these too great platforms. At least neither is a Ford or Import!
so is the exhaust stock? im asking because i'm buying an lt1 car and it'll save me a bit of money if i can keep the stock exhaust and get good hp from it for awhile till i swap it out later on
@hemiowner105 Get some good long tubes and a y pipe. Then get a $25 cut-out for the cat back and you should be good. If you want to run cam only look into the cc503. Its a mean cam that has seen 350rwhp in many m6 setups with the stock heads and bottom end.
The car in the video I have no clue about what it has. If I had to guess i'de say hotcam with exhaust and a cai.
i don't know. it was on the video i watched just before this one. it was like a car and driver video where they were talking about the features, etc. of the new model year cars.
i know what cam only is and full bolt on are as well. i have built many cars in my time. i have an lt1 car and i know what it takes to pull on an ls1 like that. with out knowing exactly whats in both cars then assuming a car has something it does or does not is stupid. Cam only should be cam,and springs on an lt1. bolt on only would be external bolt ons. but what would they be on an ls1 car,headers,exhaust,intake ,CAI,programmer..ect... the list goes on.
@95z28onjuice "Cam only" usually implies someone hasn't gone further into the internals than the cam. Supporting mods are normally assumed to be included. A cam only car could have everything under the sun, so long as the heads and rotating assembly aren't messed with.
@bbrice5798 I know it made less power due to the fact it got fucking walked from a roll. I dont give a rats ass if it was an auto or not. I've owned my car for 5+ years, and I have a auto and dont have any problems with m6 cars from a roll. I've also seen MANY auto's that are just as strong as m6 cars from a roll. Inless its a 2:73 car then shut the hell up. My buddies stock 02 AUTO LS1 trapped 109mph. Take your auto excuses else where pansy.
Again... arguing with you is like arguing with a retard.
When my car was an auto I used to race M6 cars w/ similar mods as mine. Guess what on a roll, I get walked at the end of my 3rd. But on digs, I smoked them.
BTW, my Ls1 stalled auto trapped 110 so who gives a fuck what your buddy did. Fuckin' moron. You= stupid and I can't fix stupid.
BTW, just for shits and giggles Lt1 cammed car will make similar HP as Ls1 with bolt ons.
@bbrice5798 Also tool bag TRAP speed is tells how a car runs on the highway. A 109 or 110mph stock ls1 will walk a 107mph speed on the highway m6 or not. Trap speed is EVERYTHING is a roll race. Now please got find me abunch of stock m6 that trap over 110mph. There arnt many. Also I'de like to know how you hit 110mph totally stock??? I think you are a lying assbag. The only reason his car was so strong stock was due to the ls6 block, and like all over 01/02's the ls6 intake..
@bbrice5798 You totally missed the point of why I brought up trap speeds in the first place, idiot.
BTW a bolt-on ls1 and cammed lt1 do make close to the same PEAK HP. A baby cammed lt1 anyways.. However the LT1 makes more power under curve. Do you even know what that is? How long have you owned a 4th gen f-body and been around the game? I don't think for very long.
Your car is a slow pile of shit that would get ate up by alot of cammed lt1s in this same roll with your slow 110mph trap..
Never I did mentioned anything about stock LS1 trapping 109-110 will walk a car trapping 107 or won't walk either way. What the fuck are you talking about? You are high as a KITE in special olympics.
Dumbass get your facts straight, LS6 block has nothing to do with a car trapping 109. Sounds like a newb statement to me.
Why don't you ask yourself that question.
Did you even finished school?? Keep flipping them burgers son, maybe someday you'll have yourself a LS1 instead of daydreaming about your buddy's car.
I'm not butt hurt at all... Matter of fact I find this entertaining. Took you long enough to reply, why? You had to think for awhile for a good comeback?
I couldn't compound to one reply because it was too long so I had to chop it up a little.
BTW, I don't need to see if LS6 blocks run stronger stock... They run (01-02) better stock because of 1. better intake HOWEVER, they run smaller cam compared to earlier models. Why don't you look that up? Sounds like you don't know jack shit about LS1s. That's okay, you have already proven to everybody that you're ignorant.
It's fast enough for me for bolt ons. With weight reduction and some suspension done, it'll run mid to high 11s... Yep it's what your anchor LT1 can't do. You still didn't answer my question though... With your Lt1 bolt ons, what did it ran again??? That's right, keep avoiding it... Low 12s @ 110 MPH is pretty fast for a bolt on car, how was yours for a bolt on LT1 car?
What's pathetic is you can't answer my question, instead you dance around it. What's even more pathetic? You know that your car when it was bolt ons, it would NOT pull 110 MPH trap speed. So you pile more *ucking mods ie bolt ons/c/h/stall/juice to run what mid 11s to which what LS1s do w/ bolt ons/susp/wt red. Shit, add a cam it's low 11s- high 10s... That's right ALL MOTOR.
Just face it you're in DENIAL. I'm not replying to you anymore... You're stupid and that's the end of this convo.
@bbrice5798 You don't seem to know shit..... You think a 2,9xxlb, dart headed LT1 car needs nitrous to run into the 11's? LOL My heads out of the box flow alot more air then a stock ls1 head. Keep running your mouth idiot LS1 owner I find it pretty funny.
I'm located in Missouri if you are close you should bring that turd out so I can laugh at it, then rape the living shit out of it. Hell I can even loan you my wet kit. Again LOL at you talking shit.
wow finaly a good clean race of lt1 vs ls1 with no smack talk! both are beautiful engines i drive a camaro z28 ls1 and i cant seem to understand why so much shit talk in forums with lt1 vs ls1..i love both engines we should both be talking smack on ricers and mustangs not on ourself lol
finally! Someone else who thinks the same as i do haha fuck ls1 vs lt1 arguements theyre both great motors lt has great low end torque and ls has great top end either way they both rape the hell out of most newer cars. if there was no lt1 thered be no ls1 and if there was no tpi thered be no lt1 lol either its fuck rice go muscle ;)
yeah.. my cuzin just got a LT1 yesterday lol and that shit is hooked up though the ad on craigslist said it had comp cams and rockers and lifter full exhaust headers and 4 inch offroad pipes and shift kit and has a ram air ss hood and yes the hood has a functional ram air and we didnt belive all that crap he said it had and as soon as we test drove it it fkn hauls ass i might be racing him 2day or 2mrw 2 see whos faster im kind of nervouse though he might beat me cause that think felt siick!
i got a ls1 camaro by the way.. but yeah even if he was 2 beat me i wouldnt hate on his car ill be happy for him go LT1's ho LS1's both great engines with potential to grow! heck a ls1 with cams runs low 12's and if it has headas and cams combo with bolt ons thats dipping into 11's go muscle all the way!
@lajefadecarebear The shit talk comes mostly from LS1 owners. They feel they have the superior GM product, which, from an engineering perspective, is true. But it's like hating your left hand because it's not as adept as your right.
hmmm i see ur point but sometimes lt1 owners come at me all crazy talking smack but i dont see the point were both on the same side here...i always jump in on a argument thats shit talking about lt1 or ls1 ill stick up for both but i dont see the point in arguing ourself
@hipnaughtic well said, only to find out that with a little training your left hand can function just as, if not better than your right. if you know what i mean.
@lajefadecarebear i agree with you..sorry i was late..lol...i have the lt1 and really i dont care much about how much a camaro can do damage to another camaro...we got to ride the ponys and cook some rice..not each other...
@lajefadecarebear agreed. I love em both as well. I just bought a '93 Lt1 formula myself and after im done with this car would like to get into a 98-02 SS. Just to experience both. But in my opinion GM's L series motors are unbeatable and are swapped into EVERYTHING from Miata's to BMW's.
@OneMic6 Hey bud, Im a mustang guy but my freind has a 95 z28 lt1 and it is nasty!!! I agree with what you said about the L sereis engines, they are unbeatable. If i could have my perfect mustang gt it would be my 02 mustang gt body with a lt1 or ls1 engine!!
@mistress313 personally hate mustangs but thats because im an f-body car. regardless I respect a good build and I have seen a couple foxbodies with a LS1 under the hood. So for you to do that in an '02 would definitely be unique and smart at the same time. If you end up doing that swap definitely shoot me a message. Wouldn't mind seeing how it comes out. I love following others builds
@OneMic6 I owned a '94 Trans Am and now own a '98 Z28. The LS1 is much faster in stock form and picks up much more power with bolt-ons, but I still love the LT1; they do sound better.
there are plenty of imports out there (what you call a ricer) that can hold there own to either of those motors....i have a 07 mazdaspeed 6 (2.3T) and have wasted my buddies 98 lt1 ta from a dig...from a roll i can walk him and if i brake boost it's even worse...he's got cbe...i have cai, hypertech, a fatass passenger and heavy ass 20s.
@hhstp and ls1 off lt1 last year was 97 98 got ls1 and with your mods im gonna call bullshit on you beating either one unless A. trans am is screwed up B. trans am cant drive
@trans275 Dude. I was the passenger. I thought the ta would win, but Jeff (hhstp) walked him. The ms6 is deceivingly fast. The Trans Am was a 97 lt1, 60k miles, and auto... He pulled away from a 30roll, a dig, and 50 roll. All there is too it.
@lajefadecarebear both are awesome engines i drive a 97 camaro z28 30th LT1 with bolt ons and love it to death...much better use of our time to hate on mustangs and ricers...
Holy shit and that's a Firehawk, which basically has the same hp rating as the base model c5 vette and the LT1 is already faster with just a cam swap.
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LS1's are beastly. Make that a 6 speed LS1 and it would be an excellent race. I'm looking at an LS1 corvette with bolt on's and a cam. Should easily run alot faster than these two. I cannot wait.
@mike510 Lol are you crazy, ls1 has a way better top end. It's been proven time and time again.
f34rthe4banger 3 weeks ago
No top end pull for you LS1!!! haha nice
mike510 5 months ago
@mike510 bolts ons- thats why haha
mellenjuice 2 months ago
lets just start calling them L1s. who cares about the L or S. there both amazing blocks
858wells 7 months ago
@858wells because theyre completely different engines. people simply need to grow up and stop arguing over minor things. calling 2 vastly different engines the same thing wont help
pepene93 5 months ago
@858wells because theyre completely different engines. people simply need to grow up and stop arguing over minor things. calling 2 vastly different engines the same thing wont help
pepene93 5 months ago
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@858wells because theyre completely different engines. people simply need to grow up and stop arguing over minor things. calling 2 vastly different engines the same thing wont help
pepene93 5 months ago
Not sure why they're the LT/LS shit talking. LS1 is definitely better IMO. but they're both in F-body's, so who gives a damn right?
RiceKiller191 7 months ago
@RiceKiller191 cuz people like arguing, lol. but as much as i love lt1s, ls1 is better in every aspect. except low end torque, i guess, but thats more than made up by the higher peak torque, higher hp, greater efficiency, etc. not really opinion.
pepene93 5 months ago
@pepene93 True, and boring a LT1 is a lot safer since the cylinder walls are thicker.
RiceKiller191 5 months ago
@RiceKiller191 oh, i dunno. you cant bore an ls1 much without getting new liners, since its aluminum block. but you can bore it out plenty. the block is the same for the 6.2L LS3. the LS7 has different bore spacing, so that wouldnt work, but still.
pepene93 5 months ago
@pepene93 Yeah 383 LS1 is about the most you can go, safely. Either way were on the same page lol
RiceKiller191 5 months ago
@pepene93 I'm guessing you've never seen a side by side comparison of the dyno graphs of these engines. The LS1 still has more low end torque at all RPMs I don't understand where several people get the idea that LT1s are faster in the low RPMs. The LT1 might seem faster because the power starts dropping off and the hard acceleration feeling disappears where in the LS1 it just continues and it's also harder to launch the quicker LS1 off the line.
raulz28 2 weeks ago
@raulz28 i actually have. up until around 3k rpm, the lt1 makes more torque
pepene93 2 weeks ago
@pepene93 What dyno graphs are you looking at? I hope it's a C5 vette vs. a c4 vette comparison since the f body graphs are artificially reduced so that customers won't see that the cheaper f body makes the same power as a corvette. At the 3000 RPM you claim the LS1 makes about 25lb'ft more than the LT1 There is no point at any RPM that the LS1 makes less lb/ft of torque than the LT1. Just so you know I own an LT1 so I'm no LS1 fanboy.
raulz28 2 weeks ago
mustang all the way,svt cobra bitches.
alansta08 8 months ago
@alansta08 supercharged faggot. only way ford has ever been able 2 beat chevy but rock on with the short 2 years of glory u guys did have
psykho15 7 months ago 4
@psykho15 LOL
bestlude 7 months ago
@psykho15 man you hit it right on the money...motor on motor ford don't have nothing to run with chevy!!!
lt11997 7 months ago
damn, that makes me want a cam :)
ztwntyn8 9 months ago
what cam are you running?
i expected a little more from the ls1, but cam only lt1's pull hard
willymywonka 11 months ago
That sucks that the cammed LT barley beat a bolton LS. What cam is in the LT?
steelcityracer1320 1 year ago
What bolt ons does the ls1 have?
But i agree I love both lt1s and ls1s, lt1s are just cheaper
355camaro93 1 year ago
decent race.ls1 did good considering the lt1 had a cam and depending on the specs of the cam too
loveburningaway 1 year ago
thats a firehawk too correct?>
ooBROHEEMfilms 1 year ago
PrimeraRSTKD: alot of people think an LT1 cannot take out a stock LS1. i've proved them wrong on several occassions!!! I for one beleive you've
taken your share of LS1's. but for us LT1 owners it's always the same,people refuse to beleive that yes GOOD running LT1's can and do beat LS1's sometimes!!!
use2slam2 1 year ago
@use2slam2 i beat em all the time but im nowhere near stock
MrJasonz28 1 year ago
cammed lt1... the most feared car i can think of at our local street races... awesome.
imcdowel 1 year ago
F-body guy here. i'm 53 so no b.sing my 93 119,000 mi LT1 formuila, I/E, chip, 160 stat,
(i'm auto and still have the shit 2.73's) have run door to door with a shit load of stock auto LS1's. just my experience i respect everyone's car. 53 and racing since 1974,
back then in my 70 340 duster.
use2slam2 1 year ago
@use2slam2
My 200k 93 bolt ons, gears and stalled Z28 beats those LS1 :)
PrimeraRSTKD 1 year ago
i agree, i drive a95 lt1 camaro and i love them ,both.Both engines are killer especially with bolt on
hemperghent 1 year ago
The LT1 cam was SO weak, I bet that car picked up 50hp from it.
dsm2xtreme 1 year ago
a cammed lt1 is a force to reckon with. a cammed lt1 vs a cammed ls1 the lt1 will win. weird. i have owned both and love them to death. lt1 is an amazing motor! stock though ls1 is almost a joke its so fast. good stuff!
imcdowel 1 year ago
hey anyone out there that has a lt1 m6 what kinda gas do u get out of it??? if u drive it nice :P
psykho15 1 year ago
@psykho15 i get 10 mpg drive hard or slow..
camilo19201920 1 year ago
@psykho15 My best gas mileage was 24 mpg on the hwy
derj68 1 year ago
@psykho15 My best gas mileage was 25 mpg on the highway.
derj68 1 year ago
@derj68 do you have any mods??
psykho15 1 year ago
@psykho15 bolt on stuff . long tube headers, 3" Y into a 4" exhaust system, K&N cold air intake 58mm throttle body and ported intake manifold.
derj68 1 year ago
Had that car been a 6-spd it would have been all LS1.
N20LT4 1 year ago
i love my 95 z28 lt1 even though its stock
jtgdup 1 year ago
I dont know why there is so much bickering between these. Realistically the LS1 doesnt have THAT much more power than the LT1. The ls1 camaro ss have 325hp to the LT1 SS's 305. The main difference is where the power is at. All it took was a cheap homemade intake and weight reduction for my LT1/a4 to run 13.4. Then after e/h, 3.73s and a small 2095 coverter, im running into the 12s fairly easy on street tires. So low 14s stock to 12s for about a grand, now that bad id say. Both are good motors.
circlelt1 1 year ago
@circlelt1 Don't go by advertised horsepower. In reality the LS1 is closer to 350hp. And 12's for an LS1 is as easy as swapping tires - nothing else. Both are respectable powerplants.
N20LT4 1 year ago
@LSxPwrdZ Amen brother.... And I love my built LT1, but the only thing Id trade it for is a built LS !
mavsformula 1 year ago
LS1: Modern small block. Efficient, smooth, reliable, advanced.
LT1: Old school small block. Torquey, badass sound, reliable still.
There's no doubt LS1 is faster, but not by much.
You know what I say though? It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. And when my LT1 is roaring across the town with its knee snapping torque off the line, I feel alive; and that's all I can ever ask for.
AmirGTR 2 years ago 4
@AmirGTR But since the LT1 is an iron block and not aluminum cant it withstand more abuse and isn't it more reliable than the LS1?
crackerisntme 1 year ago
Theoretically, yes. Then again I have never heard of the aluminum blocks having any real problems but they do weigh something like 100-150 lbs less.
zraffz 1 year ago
@crackerisntme Yes, the block will stand more abuse. But in order to take any advantage of that, you'd have to get forged internals, strengthen both the heads and the bottom end.
Still...it's a fucking engine block. Shit's expensive.
AmirGTR 1 year ago
@AmirGTR Yea no kidding lol I know what you mean, but still I would rather have an iron block other than an aluminum one.
crackerisntme 1 year ago
@crackerisntme If I wanted to get like a 1000hp outta the car yeah definitely. For handling or just daily driving the lighter aluminum block's kinda makes more sense.
AmirGTR 1 year ago
I love these LSx vs LTx comparos. Simple fact is it takes more to make a LTx compare to a bolt-on only LSx. I tune both and while I have quick cars from both under my belt it still takes less on a LSx to get the job done. My bolt-on M6 00 LS1 Camaro runs 12.2@112mph cosistantly. Trap speed is low but I also have a 9" and 28" slicks too. Car makes 342rwhp. Good vid and stop the bickering over these too great platforms. At least neither is a Ford or Import!
LSxPwrdZ 2 years ago
Great video man! Come on people, Both are GREAT motors. I hate LT vs LS agruments. We both have some of the greatest motors built. Much respect!
95WhiteTransam 2 years ago 27
@95WhiteTransam couldnt agree moreso
FDallaround 2 years ago
Ooooo... Couldn't break away! LS and LT's are monsters!
mannyzx1 2 years ago 6
when u say cam only,you mean it has stock exhaust as well? what size cam?
hemiowner105 2 years ago
@hemiowner105 Cam only always means bolt-ons to. I dont think anyones tossing a cam in with stock manifolds on.
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
so is the exhaust stock? im asking because i'm buying an lt1 car and it'll save me a bit of money if i can keep the stock exhaust and get good hp from it for awhile till i swap it out later on
hemiowner105 2 years ago
@hemiowner105 Get some good long tubes and a y pipe. Then get a $25 cut-out for the cat back and you should be good. If you want to run cam only look into the cc503. Its a mean cam that has seen 350rwhp in many m6 setups with the stock heads and bottom end.
The car in the video I have no clue about what it has. If I had to guess i'de say hotcam with exhaust and a cai.
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
all i know is back in 1994 the LT1 only had 260 hp stock, after that i have no idea
lancelo96 2 years ago
@lancelo96 Was it a cast iron engine? Only the cast headed models were 260hp....
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
@ Elteemullet
i don't know. it was on the video i watched just before this one. it was like a car and driver video where they were talking about the features, etc. of the new model year cars.
lancelo96 2 years ago
i know what cam only is and full bolt on are as well. i have built many cars in my time. i have an lt1 car and i know what it takes to pull on an ls1 like that. with out knowing exactly whats in both cars then assuming a car has something it does or does not is stupid. Cam only should be cam,and springs on an lt1. bolt on only would be external bolt ons. but what would they be on an ls1 car,headers,exhaust,intake ,CAI,programmer..ect... the list goes on.
95z28onjuice 2 years ago
What cam does the lt have in it? Cam only i bet not im sure he has headers. but no the less a very nice pull on an ls1 car.
95z28onjuice 2 years ago
@95z28onjuice "Cam only" usually implies someone hasn't gone further into the internals than the cam. Supporting mods are normally assumed to be included. A cam only car could have everything under the sun, so long as the heads and rotating assembly aren't messed with.
RaggedRides 2 years ago
It would have been different outcome if it was M6 LS1 w/ bolt ons.
Autos are turd on roll racing. Dig is another story.
Good race.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
@bbrice5798 Wrong. The ls1 made less power and lost. End of story.
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
Is this your car? How do you know it (LS1) made less power? You got the facts to prove it?
The only thing that this video proved is:
LS1 AUTOmatic, bolt ons got slowly walked by a CAMMED LT1 M6 w/ full bolt ons on " roll races".
Lets see some dig runs, I bet the outcome is different.
I don't even know I why I bother to respond w/ idiotic remarks in the internet. Its like trying to argue with a retard.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
@bbrice5798 I know it made less power due to the fact it got fucking walked from a roll. I dont give a rats ass if it was an auto or not. I've owned my car for 5+ years, and I have a auto and dont have any problems with m6 cars from a roll. I've also seen MANY auto's that are just as strong as m6 cars from a roll. Inless its a 2:73 car then shut the hell up. My buddies stock 02 AUTO LS1 trapped 109mph. Take your auto excuses else where pansy.
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
Again... arguing with you is like arguing with a retard.
When my car was an auto I used to race M6 cars w/ similar mods as mine. Guess what on a roll, I get walked at the end of my 3rd. But on digs, I smoked them.
BTW, my Ls1 stalled auto trapped 110 so who gives a fuck what your buddy did. Fuckin' moron. You= stupid and I can't fix stupid.
BTW, just for shits and giggles Lt1 cammed car will make similar HP as Ls1 with bolt ons.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
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ElteeMullet 2 years ago
@bbrice5798 Also tool bag TRAP speed is tells how a car runs on the highway. A 109 or 110mph stock ls1 will walk a 107mph speed on the highway m6 or not. Trap speed is EVERYTHING is a roll race. Now please got find me abunch of stock m6 that trap over 110mph. There arnt many. Also I'de like to know how you hit 110mph totally stock??? I think you are a lying assbag. The only reason his car was so strong stock was due to the ls6 block, and like all over 01/02's the ls6 intake..
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
@bbrice5798 You totally missed the point of why I brought up trap speeds in the first place, idiot.
BTW a bolt-on ls1 and cammed lt1 do make close to the same PEAK HP. A baby cammed lt1 anyways.. However the LT1 makes more power under curve. Do you even know what that is? How long have you owned a 4th gen f-body and been around the game? I don't think for very long.
Your car is a slow pile of shit that would get ate up by alot of cammed lt1s in this same roll with your slow 110mph trap..
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
You are so fucking stupid, it's annoying, all this blabber coming out of your mouth, all bullshit.
For one I didn't say my LS1 was stock, I said,
my Ls1 stalled auto trapped 110 so who gives a fuck what your buddy did. Reading comprehension>you.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
Never I did mentioned anything about stock LS1 trapping 109-110 will walk a car trapping 107 or won't walk either way. What the fuck are you talking about? You are high as a KITE in special olympics.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
Dumbass get your facts straight, LS6 block has nothing to do with a car trapping 109. Sounds like a newb statement to me.
Why don't you ask yourself that question.
Did you even finished school?? Keep flipping them burgers son, maybe someday you'll have yourself a LS1 instead of daydreaming about your buddy's car.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
@bbrice5798 The LS6 blocked cars ran stronger stock... Look it up tool. Also LOL at you 10 replys, but hurt a little?
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
I'm not butt hurt at all... Matter of fact I find this entertaining. Took you long enough to reply, why? You had to think for awhile for a good comeback?
I couldn't compound to one reply because it was too long so I had to chop it up a little.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
BTW, I don't need to see if LS6 blocks run stronger stock... They run (01-02) better stock because of 1. better intake HOWEVER, they run smaller cam compared to earlier models. Why don't you look that up? Sounds like you don't know jack shit about LS1s. That's okay, you have already proven to everybody that you're ignorant.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
My car is slow POS? Compare to yours? I think not. Tell me when did yours ran low 12s just bolt ons and nothing else done??
Keep replying to my post, it'll just make you look even dumber for everyone to see. Good day, imbecile.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
@bbrice5798 Yes your car is a slow pile of fuck compared to mine.
LOW 12's AT A BREAK NEAK SPEED OF 110MPH OMG THATS SO FAST!!1!!1!1!! LOL at anyone who thinks a 110mph car is anything close to fast.
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
It's fast enough for me for bolt ons. With weight reduction and some suspension done, it'll run mid to high 11s... Yep it's what your anchor LT1 can't do. You still didn't answer my question though... With your Lt1 bolt ons, what did it ran again??? That's right, keep avoiding it... Low 12s @ 110 MPH is pretty fast for a bolt on car, how was yours for a bolt on LT1 car?
bbrice5798 2 years ago
BTW, it's a break NECK speed... You can't even spell words correctly... pathetic.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
@bbrice5798 Boy you really got me good there fucker!
The only thing that is pathetic is your 110mph trap speed with a modded ls1.
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
What's pathetic is you can't answer my question, instead you dance around it. What's even more pathetic? You know that your car when it was bolt ons, it would NOT pull 110 MPH trap speed. So you pile more *ucking mods ie bolt ons/c/h/stall/juice to run what mid 11s to which what LS1s do w/ bolt ons/susp/wt red. Shit, add a cam it's low 11s- high 10s... That's right ALL MOTOR.
Just face it you're in DENIAL. I'm not replying to you anymore... You're stupid and that's the end of this convo.
bbrice5798 2 years ago
@bbrice5798 You don't seem to know shit..... You think a 2,9xxlb, dart headed LT1 car needs nitrous to run into the 11's? LOL My heads out of the box flow alot more air then a stock ls1 head. Keep running your mouth idiot LS1 owner I find it pretty funny.
I'm located in Missouri if you are close you should bring that turd out so I can laugh at it, then rape the living shit out of it. Hell I can even loan you my wet kit. Again LOL at you talking shit.
ElteeMullet 2 years ago
Not bad considering the LT1 had a passenger....the M6 helps but still impressed....nice
Louie1fit 2 years ago
wow finaly a good clean race of lt1 vs ls1 with no smack talk! both are beautiful engines i drive a camaro z28 ls1 and i cant seem to understand why so much shit talk in forums with lt1 vs ls1..i love both engines we should both be talking smack on ricers and mustangs not on ourself lol
lajefadecarebear 2 years ago 31
finally! Someone else who thinks the same as i do haha fuck ls1 vs lt1 arguements theyre both great motors lt has great low end torque and ls has great top end either way they both rape the hell out of most newer cars. if there was no lt1 thered be no ls1 and if there was no tpi thered be no lt1 lol either its fuck rice go muscle ;)
matt09oh 2 years ago
yeah.. my cuzin just got a LT1 yesterday lol and that shit is hooked up though the ad on craigslist said it had comp cams and rockers and lifter full exhaust headers and 4 inch offroad pipes and shift kit and has a ram air ss hood and yes the hood has a functional ram air and we didnt belive all that crap he said it had and as soon as we test drove it it fkn hauls ass i might be racing him 2day or 2mrw 2 see whos faster im kind of nervouse though he might beat me cause that think felt siick!
lajefadecarebear 2 years ago
wats all done to ur ls1?
matt09oh 2 years ago
nothing its stock just k&n intake and flow master dual exhaust thats why i think hes gonna beat me
lajefadecarebear 2 years ago
yea hes should beat u ur pretty damn stock still lol i really wanna get an ls1 and magnacharge it
matt09oh 2 years ago
i got a ls1 camaro by the way.. but yeah even if he was 2 beat me i wouldnt hate on his car ill be happy for him go LT1's ho LS1's both great engines with potential to grow! heck a ls1 with cams runs low 12's and if it has headas and cams combo with bolt ons thats dipping into 11's go muscle all the way!
lajefadecarebear 2 years ago
@lajefadecarebear The shit talk comes mostly from LS1 owners. They feel they have the superior GM product, which, from an engineering perspective, is true. But it's like hating your left hand because it's not as adept as your right.
hipnaughtic 1 year ago
@hipnaughtic
hmmm i see ur point but sometimes lt1 owners come at me all crazy talking smack but i dont see the point were both on the same side here...i always jump in on a argument thats shit talking about lt1 or ls1 ill stick up for both but i dont see the point in arguing ourself
lajefadecarebear 1 year ago
@hipnaughtic yup all the ls1 guys talk so much shit..i have an lt1..and to put it in short words..iv taken care of the ls1
camilo19201920 1 year ago
@hipnaughtic but i never to shit to a fellow maro..
camilo19201920 1 year ago
@hipnaughtic well said, only to find out that with a little training your left hand can function just as, if not better than your right. if you know what i mean.
imcdowel 1 year ago
@lajefadecarebear i agree with you..sorry i was late..lol...i have the lt1 and really i dont care much about how much a camaro can do damage to another camaro...we got to ride the ponys and cook some rice..not each other...
camilo19201920 1 year ago 2
@lajefadecarebear agreed. I love em both as well. I just bought a '93 Lt1 formula myself and after im done with this car would like to get into a 98-02 SS. Just to experience both. But in my opinion GM's L series motors are unbeatable and are swapped into EVERYTHING from Miata's to BMW's.
OneMic6 1 year ago
@OneMic6 Hey bud, Im a mustang guy but my freind has a 95 z28 lt1 and it is nasty!!! I agree with what you said about the L sereis engines, they are unbeatable. If i could have my perfect mustang gt it would be my 02 mustang gt body with a lt1 or ls1 engine!!
mistress313 1 year ago
@mistress313 personally hate mustangs but thats because im an f-body car. regardless I respect a good build and I have seen a couple foxbodies with a LS1 under the hood. So for you to do that in an '02 would definitely be unique and smart at the same time. If you end up doing that swap definitely shoot me a message. Wouldn't mind seeing how it comes out. I love following others builds
OneMic6 1 year ago
@OneMic6 I owned a '94 Trans Am and now own a '98 Z28. The LS1 is much faster in stock form and picks up much more power with bolt-ons, but I still love the LT1; they do sound better.
hipnaughtic 1 year ago
@lajefadecarebear i agree but i still be talkin shit to fools who know everything
MrJasonz28 1 year ago
there are plenty of imports out there (what you call a ricer) that can hold there own to either of those motors....i have a 07 mazdaspeed 6 (2.3T) and have wasted my buddies 98 lt1 ta from a dig...from a roll i can walk him and if i brake boost it's even worse...he's got cbe...i have cai, hypertech, a fatass passenger and heavy ass 20s.
hhstp 1 year ago
@hhstp sorry...97 lta
hhstp 1 year ago
@hhstp and ls1 off lt1 last year was 97 98 got ls1 and with your mods im gonna call bullshit on you beating either one unless A. trans am is screwed up B. trans am cant drive
trans275 1 year ago
@trans275 Dude. I was the passenger. I thought the ta would win, but Jeff (hhstp) walked him. The ms6 is deceivingly fast. The Trans Am was a 97 lt1, 60k miles, and auto... He pulled away from a 30roll, a dig, and 50 roll. All there is too it.
devonreed05 1 year ago
@hhstp lt1s were not around in 98 haha
5418central 1 year ago
@hhstp lt1s were not around in 98 u fuckin liar haha
5418central 1 year ago
@5418central omg im so baked bros
5418central 1 year ago
@5418central im plowed
5418central 1 year ago
@5418central Look at comments dbag, I corrected myselft
hhstp 1 year ago
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hhstp 1 year ago
@lajefadecarebear your my new hero! ---->1995 z28 m6
hellcat320 1 year ago 2
@lajefadecarebear both are awesome engines i drive a 97 camaro z28 30th LT1 with bolt ons and love it to death...much better use of our time to hate on mustangs and ricers...
97z28street 1 year ago
@97z28street i love mine too bright metallic purple lol
lt11997 7 months ago
keep in mind that manuals dominate from a roll...
Ajsccrman 2 years ago 3
Holy shit and that's a Firehawk, which basically has the same hp rating as the base model c5 vette and the LT1 is already faster with just a cam swap.
gixxerfanatic 2 years ago
thats not a firehawk haha
it just has the hood
B1ZZ4R3 2 years ago
Gixx.. Be it a TransAm, Camaro, Corvette or GTO, all LS1s make about the same power. 300rwhp is average for all of them. Ratings are just ratings.
RaggedRides 2 years ago 3
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LS1's are beastly. Make that a 6 speed LS1 and it would be an excellent race. I'm looking at an LS1 corvette with bolt on's and a cam. Should easily run alot faster than these two. I cannot wait.
nevermissclancom 2 years ago
had him the whole time, gained a car length
nice vid
dmb1995ta 2 years ago 2
wonder what cam he was running in the lt1....
joshjones1984 3 years ago
yea me too.
twcblackhand6970 3 years ago
so are the lt1s they bolth are fast as fuck
killapimp360 3 years ago
ya it was a good race have to do it again sometime
transamdreamer 3 years ago
exactly how I expected that race to go lol, goo run. Very close
Feenyxxx95 3 years ago
Good race! Ls1s are beastly i must admit.
1994camaroz28 3 years ago 3