its simple they were both kids had no money both chasing the dream to become the champ, and tyson fucked lewis up and then went on to become the champ, he didnt have a father and lewis had that fat mum always around to help him.
Tyson became the undisputed UNDEFEATED heavyweight champ then don king took over fucked his head with that horrid religion islam and ever since allah came into his life tyson flame that cus created was then over
Now, if Lewis can outbox Tyson while badly hurt how can one say that Lewis would lose to Tyson in his prime? This is dumb and unfounded, a young Lewis had the speed and footwork to dance away from danger. If Lewis wasn't fit, no way he could beat even a faded Tyson. Discipline and passion sets Lewis apart! I am nothing against Tyson but too many dimwitted Tyson fans out there who doesn't know shit talk too much. Nothing wrong to be Tyson's fan, being an ignorant one is retarded. Dumb fucks!
There are definitely more Tyson fans out there, because people would normally like the one who brings more excitement in the ring rather than one who fight like a mathematician. Like Dempsey and Tunney, who would you rather watch? I mean, whether you are a Brit or not Lewis' achievements cannot be denied. Just because he has long arms and tall, that is not the only reason he is a great. People who who say that probably don't know much about boxing other than the excitement it brings. (continue)
Poor Mike must have forgot what really happened when they sparred. Yes he bloodied Lennox in their first round but remember what happened after that MIke? Let me remind you. Lennox got the better of you and you couldn't get near him.
Lewis showed Tyson how to box clever, not just the big haymakers that Tyson was resorting to. If he was training well and hadn't done time for rape, then maybe,just maybe, it would've been a different story. but the boxing history book I have says Lewis was victorious. and older, and was given a title from Tyson to save this happening years earlier. Tyson was good but don't get carried away, he was second best to Lewis.
Tyson's career disintegrated in the 1990s after Douglas upset him; suddenly, he became better known for his notoriety. At one time uncommonly fast and powerful in the ring, he exchanged the Spartan gym for the high life — buying mansions, including one with 38 bathrooms. He collected white Bengal tigers, expensive jewelry and dozens of exotic automobiles — when he wasn't getting drunk or high or carousing with strippers.
Frankly, if Tyson take good care of himself and take fights seriously he wouldn't be so messed up today and as much as I like Lewis, he would be better than him if Tyson was as disciplined as Lewis was. I can't stomach the fact that he quit his against a Kevin 'Average Joe' McBride. His career started blasting all the way up, but come crashing all the way down in the end. I am not hater, just not a fan. Nonetheless, he become a better man after that Lewis fight....
When the bull and matador are in their primes and they fight, The bull almost always wins because his fire burns hotter, it may not last as long but it burns hotter. Duran vs. Leonard 1, Frazier-Ali 1 etc.
ya lewis relied on his size and reach because he could, but tyson relied on his speed and power because he could
those arnt skills
Lewis was more skilled because he had a better technique and controlled the ring, dictating the fight, makin his opponents fight his fight, and lose because of it.
Tyson could only be successful as an aggressor and if that didnt work, like against lewis, he was out of options
@bigmoney749 - Absolutely. Size and reach is not enough against iron Mike. If Lewis didn't have such good boxing skills, there is no way he'd win. Mike burst into the boxing when only old faded heavyweights and 2nd tier fighters were around. Anyone who deny Lewis has no idea what the sweet science is really about...
@expressivechild ur right size and reach is not enough to beat iron mike.....but it is enough when iron mike is not iron anymore and just fought for money....why cant u brits just face the facts lewis won all of his fights cuz of his reach and height...if lewis was tysons height he wudent even made it to the amateur boxing
@fktheworld1 - You are just another typical stuck up American. Lewis had to fight the way he fight because of his reach and height, and Lewis defeat many heavyweight giants who has longer reach and taller than he is. Whenever Tyson lose a fight, people (typically Americans) come up with retarded excuses like he didn't train, he didn't care, and all that bullshit. Like Cuz dies, Hoffa dies. If this is true, then he has no heart. But Americans, like you are would deny Lewis because he is a Brit.
@expressivechild no im not making any excuse buster beat tyson fair and square and so did holyfield.....but u and i and everyone knows tyson was way pasted his prime fighting lewis and u know he was just fighting for money as he was bankrupt....
but u also have to take into account he also spend 4 years in prison thats it i aint makin any excuse we all know lewis caught tyson was out of his prime
@fktheworld1 - Honestly, a lot of great fighters are not actually 'tall and long' if you do your homework before saying Lewis is great only for his reach and size, another thing about you Americans, you guys think that any Lewis fan has to be a Brit? Well, I am not. But hell, what can I expect from another American?
@expressivechild all the great fighters have longer reach and r taller u fool.....there was no fighter in the history of boxing who did what tyson did with his heigh and reach.....if u put lewis in tysons body lewis wudent even make it past sparing ameture boxers
@bigmoney749 tyson was a better champion will be remember as a much better champion and if we take skill tyson has everything a boxer needs, mike will be remembered in yrs to come generations like frazier and ali im affraid lewis wont hahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahah
@bigmoney749 something tyson can say i was undefeated undisputed heavy weight champ, legends can say that im afriad lewis cant, hel be another anyday champ, he fought a tyson that had taken 6 years out of the ring mainly down to islam the evil of this world
@berealandstaytrue You wouldn't happen to be Tim Tebow in reality, would you? Tyson did not take six years out of the ring prior to fighting Lewis. Idk where you got that from. Also, fighters are judged on their entire careers, not their careers up to their first loss. 41-2-1 is better than 50-6 1NC. Also, Tyson was supposed to fight Lewis in 1996 but Mike ducked him and even paid him $4 million when Lewis sued him for loss of earnings.
@bigmoney749 yea he did 4 years in jail the another 19 months off after the lewis fight, he never ducked lewis it was the two promoters that didnt agree on terms, lewis ducked ruiz thats why he gt stripped of his belt. tyson record is much better than lewis he fought better people amd did alot more for the sport.
@berealandstaytrue you need to put the crack pipe down,, lewis has one of the best boxing records in the sport, much better than tysons, you fool go check it out,,
@dean24uk what records got to do with anything michael spinks has a better record than lewis something like 30 fights 1 defeat! its about the path they take what they achieve! lewis fought people out of prime and on his terms!! do u kno what a legend is, ali foreman tyson because in one stage of their career they were the UNDISPUTED UNDEFEATED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP, thats what seperates legends from champs
@berealandstaytrue you fool, He became undisputed champion after defeating Evander Holyfield in November 1999 dont talk to me you know fuck all a record is kept for a reason, thats what, and PROFESIONALS have called him a legend, not my words theres,but you are too thick to research before you open your mouth, foreman said lewis is one oif the best heavyweights of all time, and he was,
@dean24uk sorry dumb ass u didnt read it properly i put in cap locks but still didnt register, UNDEFEATED undisputed heavyweight champ. lewis had a loss and a draw on rec before he became champ. and foreman has called many fighters the greatest of all time dont go by his judgement. Lewis had a lucky draw for fights, were the fuck was he at 21 - 28 waiting for the good champs to get old
@berealandstaytrue who did a prime tyson really fight..? a 38 year old larry holmes...blah.. spink lmao, spink had brown skid marks on those white trunks before the bell even rang..sadly for lewis and tyson, there was no really great heavy weights in the 80s, there were some good fighters, i mean there not pro,s for nothing, but who was about ?
This fight was a massive let down. I hoped for Tyson to win, that he lost was not really the letdown. But the fight was BORING, ONESIDED, and Tyson didnt appear to have any desire to even try to win the fight. He was probably in a decent shape just not the shape and the mental state required to win a fight of this magnitude.
LENNOX LEWIS retired because he didn't think MUHAMMAD ALI will fight him to prove his "greatness". He could get a READY JOB as a COMEDIAN! The COWARD WAITED until 1996 to call out MIKE TYSON who had fought 4 TIMES in 9 YEARS and SMOKED more POT than CHEECH + CHIONG! The COWARD couldn't beat a POST-HEART ATTACK RUIZ ERA version of EVEANDER HOLYFIELD so EXPERTS are not surprised at the NEWS of LENNOX LEWIS'S RETIREMENT due to lack of action with typical PENSIONER MUHAMMAD ALI!
@bobsinno oh my god... is this... Cowardzaghe? COME ON MAN, GO DOWN TO JOB CENTRE PLUS AND FIND SOME FUCKING WORK. I'M SO BORED OF WATCHING BOXING VIDEOS AND FINDING MY BLOOD PRESSURE RISING BECAUSE OF YOUR FUCKING MAD OPINIONS. Ok, I can concede Calzaghe made a fucking fool of himself. But Lennox? Lennox was fucking great. Not that fan friendly, sure but come on- you clearly know boxing- how can you deny his skill as a fighter, irrespective of opposition? Please comment me back seriously.
Tyson would have had to have taken him out in the first 6 rounds... once he went past that his power diminished rapidly. Tyson also claims to have a respiratory condition that affected him in the second half of fights which is why he started so fast... I could see Lewis giving him an awful beating in the last 6 if he got through the onslaught, which he has the size and skill to do.
Look at footage of Tyson v Green, Tucker and Smith... head movement significantly reduces.
Either Tyson should be applauded for fighting with such a condition, which means he was crazy and his heart was incredible for fighting with such a condition...OR...there may be something else to look at. Tyson had a problem when he was very young, prior to boxing. He was a fat kid before he picked up boxing. Most fat kids have problems but most of the time there is a simple solution: Get your fat ass up, clean your diet, and exercise.
It's amazing what that does. Young, Fat, and not working out is bad and may give the impression of something wrong that can't be fixed when it actually can by simply doing what is healthy for you: Eat right and excericse.
Now was that Tyson's problem? Don't know. I just don't know with the kind of training he had to go through in Castskill wouldn't have killed him since he was pushed hard.
But maybe if that is in his mind then maybe it causes a problem to conserve or even speeds up his heart-rate because of worry. Don't know.
For Tyson, he started out fast and threw a lot of power shots. He changed tactics in how he fought at different points of his career, even in his prime...mostly to conserve energy it seems.
Fighting much bigger guys might be the reason you can wear out faster but because he put the early work in, the opponents tend to be beaten up mentally and physically by the second half as well. But even Bigger guys, if pushed, if not allowed to control the pace, can burn out quicker than they want. Big mid-section on a lot of those big guys too.
Almost all of his opponents were beaten before they went into the ring...they reckon Spinks had to be persuaded to come out! Holyfield, Lewis, Foreman... those 3 wouldn't have been frightened, which in turn would have frightened Mike.
Tyson was never really tested in his prime, although he was as exciting as any boxer to watch.
Tyson was tested, even against fighters that didn't fear him but just not to the extent of others like Ali and so on. The bad part to this all is that we don't know how good Tyson was at his peak because he wasn't the same fighter after he left his original team which was after Spinks. That training, that mind-set and so on, was the key to Tyson winning the title.
Not only wasn't he as good physically and technically, but mentally he declined without proper training. Confidence is built in training. It's knowing you are prepared for everything; Rooney helped him with that. Tyson was on his own and he proved he couldn't handle it so that was the biggest failure: Bad choices.
I agree... I'm not trying to run Tyson down... I loved watching his fights as a kid.
The thing is you don't know if the respiratory thing is true.... was it after fighting Clifford Etienne when Tyson claimed to have been fighting with a broken back?! lol
Tyson's back was messed up, just not "broken." He actually had back troubles as far back as the amateurs but at that point, I think it was about the motorcycle accident.
There was something else to it as well...like a pinch nerve or something with his spine. It caused him to go down in sparring without being touched. Just blacked out. Same fight because Freddie was training him.
I bring up the Fat Kid thing because I've heard it first-hand from family members that are in the medical field. Sometimes, well, most of the time I think it just comes down to Fat Kid has been lazy and needs to run and eat better. Now there are other factors like genetics and environment which could be Tyson's case...don't know; maybe a mix of both.
But I just wonder with that type of training he did, which is pretty insane while in Catskill, if someone with very bad breathing troubles would survive. Now maybe it did put a "cap" on how good his stamina could get. But Tyson even out of shape wasn't even to bad since you think he would have been taken out sooner although maybe that just comes down to toughness. Not sure.
I think his body just may have had a "cap" because of the way he was built but not sure. Just throwing that out there.
In the end, I think Tyson was kind of a wasted talent. His fault though because he made the bad choices to throw it all a way. It's just at that age, with his continued progression, looking more relaxed and confident as the years went on up until he got rid of Rooney...you wonder if there would have been a difference with his fights with Douglas, Holyfield, Lewis...
But...it wasn't the case. I just don't think it was the same exact fighter. But it is a shot at him Mentally and how he handled his reign as Champion since he made the choices of course.
Like saying you want to "retire" after you just blasted out Spinks makes you scratch your head. The motivation was gone. He couldn't handle the life-style. And even not knowing how to retire which he could have done after that fight is a shot at his decision making.
lewis was massive.tyson was way a better boxer skill, head movement,speed and combos.he needed to be as he couldnt rely on his size like lewis.i am british but in my eyes lewis was only good because of his size and reach,he doesnt even know how to dance on his size 17 feet,very flat footed,no head movement and relied on his long arms and hight.lets be honest tyson in his prime was fantastic to watch in every way and i think would of beat lewis when he was fit.lewis didnt need to be as fit.
hghshannon,Tyson was a great knockout artist i agree,but he never learned what to do if he could'nt KO the opponent,thats why i differ in opinions from you on this one.Lennox could KO equally well as Tyson but he was also a clever boxer if he needed to be.
Nice video of the young lad by the way,looks like he's enjoying himself.
@hghshannon You act like size is this unquestionable advantage.. its not. It takes skill to put a large body to good use in boxing. And Tyson was a freak of nature, if anyone had the physical advantage I think its him- at 15 years old he had the force of a grown man, and this combined with his stockyness made him an ideal in-fighter. Lennox defnitately deserves credit for his technical prowess, and I think he could beat Tyson prime vs prime.
@hghshannon I'm sorry but thats rubbish. Lewis only good because of his height? Please- Lewis is technically one of the best boxers we've ever seen in the sport- just because he didnt need to move or dance, that doesn't predicate success- otherwise today Nikolai Valuev would be the greatest fighter in the world. No, Lewis was unbelievably skillful when it came to choosing his shots, putting himself behind the jab, breaking down his opponents systematically and not taking unnecessary risks.
@gangsterchronicle I agree completely. Being great because of your gifts doesn't make you inferior to someone who is great in spite of the gifts they dont have
for example, Lewis-Tyson, Ali-Frazier, Holyfield-Lewis, Holyfield-Bowe
Ali was bigger and better than Frazier, Lewis bigger and better than Tyson and Holyfield, and Bowe bigger and better than Holyfield
I rest my case
btw i liked the comment with Valuev, he sucks balls
Other way round Lewis had the more skill thats why he beat every decent boxer of the 1990's and early 2000's. Thats why tyson got so fucked up when amazing boxers showed up and Lewis went on to beat the best,a dn what the hell you on about using his body type to his advantage is what every boxer should do dumbass.
@403766 I agree totally. I liked Tyson very much and loved to see him fight, but in my book, lewis is the best heavyweight of his era. He was clearly ready to continue against Oliver McCall when the ref stopped it and the lucky punch against Hasim Rahman was pretty well revenged in the rematch. Of course he uses his size as you mention. That´s why we have middleweights, so smaller guys can box too :-)
@Bjoernbaks face the facts lewis without his reach and height wud be a tomato can....the guy had no boxing skills at all just jabbed and grabed the whole fight....but he was one of the best grabers in boxing history ill give him that...
a prime tyson vs this tomato can?? this tomato can wud run back to his pussy country of british and never come to america....
@expressivechild u brits deserve it u fukin ugly english men.....every brit hates tyson just cuz hes american and yet ur saying americans hate lewis cuz hes a ugly weak english men??.....i never seen a brit like tyson over lewis so fuk u pussys who need brits in this world.....
@fktheworld1 - Typical racist like you don't deserve a place in youtube. But whatever, so called boxing fans like you are only interested in brutal fights and knockouts. You don't know nothing about the sweet science I bet.. And btw, did Marciano, Frazier, Dempsey, Louis, had long range? I can go on with that since you have the nerve to say something as retarded as 'all great fighters have long range and height'. Damn.. Guys like you should seriously learn something about boxing.
@expressivechild no fighter had short reach like tysons and short height like tysons so STFU u just was boxing so u can see ur gay brit lewis huge fighter naked the whole fight so u can jerk off to the fight fukin pussy
@hghshannon tyson didnt now how to box he had no ring intelligence what he had were reflexes handspeed and power lewis was a boxer puncher who could adapt his gameplan for each opponent he was multi-dimensional tyson one-dimensional he couldnt box on the back foot
@hghshannon - Typically, most people only know the excitement that boxing brings and to watch someone like Iron Mike is always better than a watching a 'mathematician' in the ring. Whether you are a Brit or not is not the point. The point is your comment here is really dimwitted. And 16 other Tyson hardcore fans agreed with you. Lewis is known by boxing experts as a man who moves very well for his massive size. He is also known to be very disciplined in preparation for his fights. (continue)
@hghshannon - He weighed at about 250 pounds in his prime. Flat footed? He is pretty fleet footed for a man his size and weight and even by watching his fights one can tell. I am not sure why you say he didn't have to be as fit? He had been lazy and arrogant at times, causing him fights in two occasions but he avenged it all didn't he? He had some of the most impressive KOs despite being a 'safety first' boxer. Another guy who said Mike would beat Lewis in his prime and shit...
Tyson sayd it as simple as possible...He knew he could not win,he was not in shape to win against anybody as he sayd it...To Mike it was simply a Good Pay Day...
As for Don KIng-Tyson receaved betwen 20 to 30 Million in a Court Desigion...
it's funny to me that manny steward said that tyson was one of the greatest fighters of the past 50 yrs.Oliver mcall said the hardest puncher he ever fought was buster douglas, mcall has the toughest chin in boxing if lewis fought buster on that fateful night in tokyo he would have been crushed that was a man possesed
mr pmack how could lewis lose in court with a wbc contractual no.1 contender agreement any lawyer worth their salt would win and you know it. U said 89 tyson was shit lewis fought a 36 yr old ray mercer who was robbed in my opinion but to be objective me must analyze there whole career in full detail not just by this video and there bullshit fight. i luv boxing and want the best to fight the best in there prime
well you can only beat whoever is available at the time pmack! and who did lewis beat for that matter and you must be an idiot if you think tyson didnt have a good chin. the truth of the matter is the late eighties was just as the same as the late nineties when supposedly lewis was at his prime who did lewis beat that is worth half a shit bsides holyfield? and look at both fighters in there peaks and what they did and how they boxed and how they won there fights you will have your answer!
let's deal with the facts Lennox is a smart fighter and deserving champ but he never beat Mcall by decision or K.O and he never had to take the step aside money Tyson offered him which makes him look stupid. 96 Holyfield wins by K.O, 89 Tyson wins by K.O and here is something from left field a sane 99 Ibeabuchi wins by decision 2 times and then lewis fades into oblivion but these are hypothetical. By the way tyson does have a good chin Lewis himself said so after their fight
Comparing lewis to tyson is a big joke. Being a business man hasnnt got anything to do with boxing itsits about who was better at their peaks n tyson would have knocked lewis out clean and to think otherwise is stupied. i bet you also think calzaghe would have beaten roy jones at his peak?
Oh hell, this again. I have said previously, a prime Roy Jones junior would have nothing to gain from a match against Calzaghe. It's hypothetical and therefore pointless to argue. But could a guy who trains in a barn in Wales beat a prime Roy Jones junior? I would not say impossible but highly unlikely. Jones junior was extremely good at what he did.
Boxing is a science so I don't think Tyson would win (over Lewis), he is not very diverse, and never was a fighter with a tough jaw.
tyson 1 of the greatest and yeah would have knocked out lewis clean out in his prime and of course lewis wanted to fight him in 96 he had just come out of prison and he might have took a beating of lewis in 02 but he took it like a man. In 10yr no body will remember lewis but iron mike tyson will live on.
That is such opininionated nonsense. Tyson will be remembered for having the fastest KO and being the youngest heavyweight, but also for biting Holyfield's ear, being a convicted rapist, and retiring broke. Doing guest appearances on tv to raise money.
Lewis retired with all previous defats avenged (one of only 3 boxers in history), he is also a business man and a smart boxer. Lewis is one of the greatest of this recent era (a greater boxer than Tyson, who only fought one way).
It's so fuckin sad how guys like Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield and all those glorious champs have most likey taken steroids. Look how fuckin skinny Lewis and Holyfield were when they were 20. It's impossible to gain so much weight and still maintain such a low body fat percentage. Holyfield could easily make 175 early his career. When he kicked Douglas' ass he weighed 208 and years later when he fought guys like Tyson he weighed 230+. And all of a sudden he has heart problems ...
Look at their bone structure. They are actually built big. It isn't impossible to gain weight if you eat the right food and have the right exercise and genetics. If you are eating hamburgers, probably no but eating lean meat such as eye fillet and scotch fillet, no chicken skin, cooking with vegetable oil (such as safflower or sunflower) instead of cooking in animal fat. Nutrition and biology (modern boxers have sports nutritionists and dietitions, and srict balanced diets).
well Lewis is a big guy, But no way Holyfield drags up from 175 to 220 and still has under 10% body fat. that's impossible without roids regardless of how good your nutrition is.
Roy Jones was tested positive for roids, Vitali Klitschko was tested positive and many many more good boxers. So I don't think it's that unlikely evander took roids, too.
Tyson was a shadow of his former self when they fought in 2002 he was getting high on weed when he should have been getting fit for the fight, both fighters in their prime there would only be one winner and that would clearly be tyson
lewis took on allcomers...tyson picked and chose his chumps and avoided potential losses until he had no choice..and then lost. story of tyson's life...a pice of work in and out of the ring.
so when lewis were at amateur stage he were in his prime? think it through
tyson weeded his way out of a fight wi lewis in 1996 (tyson wouldve been in a better state to fight lewis then)
lewis were also in one of his bestest form when he fought tyson, tyson hardly landed a punch, so how can you tell if tyson wouldve knocked lewis out when tyson were in his prime? you cant, so dont go dealing out justice thats beyond your power
Americans are the worst losers EVER.. and if your (Americans) reeding this post thinking Tyson was better, you are pathetic. Evryone loses even you fat fucks. Be real men and stop hideing behind the "he was past his prime" shit.... He was the same age (virtually) as Lewis, Im sure all this past his prime shit would be all over the place in Ricky Hatton beat Floyd Mayweather.... But since its the other way around we (English foke) just say fair enough he was (is) a better fighter.
Yeah Georg Foreman the greatest analyst, this is the guy who named all his kids "George" right?
Crazy man!
But here you can see the differents between the bodies, as they were young.
I am sure all the fighters, who try to beat Tyson took illegal drugs to build up their bodies, cause they knew, they have no chance against a natural power builded body like Mikes.
Foreman is also a rich business man. So his opinion is valid. There is too much at stake for the boxers to be untested for any kind of performance enhancing drug. So your opinion is not valid. Anyone can gain weight quickly with the right diet and exercise (and also genetics).
I thought the topic was his boxing ability not his popularity,popularity dont win you fights.I remember Tyson as being a thug ,rapist ,wife beater,who converted to Islam to hide behind religion as a publicity stunt,yea a real nice guy would'nt you say?? Tyson's prime was 3 years,Lewis applied his trade at the top of the pile for over 10 yrs,and was a gentleman and good example for the sport.
Tyson was not creation of media.He was a awsome boxer. Like i sayd over and over again. Awry boxer reaches his peak at a different time in his carrier! Tysons peak was betwen 1986 and 1992. Lewises peak was betwen 1995 and 2000. And if they wouldew ewer meat at ther peaks Tyson would destroyed him!Simple Mathematics IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BOXING. Tyson get more applause eavn Today than Lewis. Cus in awryone,s eyes and boxing experts, Tyson was the True Champion of the Era.
So prior to his jail sentence what did Tyson do? For the most part he beat chumps which is what you normally do when you are coming up like Tyson was. So Tysons last year of boxing before jail was 91 right?
Lewis was a much smarter boxer than Tyson and would have beat him with his brain if need be. He would just use his height and reach advantage to control the fight. he would keep Tyson off him with his jab and back up when need be sort of how he outpointed David Tua. Lewis has a 13 inch reach advantage with a 7 inch height advantage.
Who did Mike Tyson beat for the heavyweight championship? Trevor Berbick yup thats right folks the great Trevor Berbick!!!! come on Im sure you all remember Berbick for his losses against such greats as Bernardo Mercado, Renaldo Snipes, ST Gordon, Carl Williams, Jimmy Thunder, Lyle McDowell and Tony LaRosa.
Is is Mike Tyson's fault he was the champion at the time? What kind of argument is this? Lewis was fighting in yet another fucking Olympics while Tyson was undisputed champion of the world. But let me guess, Tyson was ducking him then too.
Don't say he was to good as an amateur either. He was 24-3 and didn't qualify for the Olympics. The great fighters will fight literally hundreds of amateur bouts. He had much to learn but his people knew they were sitting on a gold mind. He was handled wrong from the beginning. He had amazing hand speed, unbelievable quickness to close on his opponent and packed a hell of a punch but he never learned to box.
The heavyweight division was weak with old man Holmes still beating people. Tyson was exciting and all his real competition was still fighting in the amateur ranks learning to box.
You can't be boxing and be a lunatic believe it or not. Tyson was exposed against Douglas and once he was he never had a chance in the sport. He never learned what to do if he couldn't KO the person. Trust me no one is so much better than the field that they don't have to resort to knowing how to box as they made Tyson appear. It was a shame and those people who think Tyson was a great champion bought into to what his promoters were selling.
You say James Buster Douglas beat him in his prime but ,Douglas was tko'd by David Bey who finished his career with a record of 18 wins and 11 losses with 1 draw
Douglas was tko'd by Mike White who finished his career with a record of 26 wins and 13 losses with 1 draw
Douglas lost a decision to Jesse Ferguson who finishes his career with 26 wins and 18 losses , i rest my case.
Tyson was a creation of the Media. They fed him bums and fooled everyone into thinking he was a great boxer. He NEVER beat a great boxer in his prime, Tyson might be the most overated boxer of all time.
Of the modern day heavyweights only Holyfield shares Lewis's honourable record of making himself available to fight anyone, anywhere. Mike Tyson paid $4m not to fight him. It was not step aside money, it was payment in lieu of court costs which would have inevitably followed Tyson's refusal to fight, a reluctance which led to his surrender of the World Boxing Council title.
Tyson only did well in the sparing match in the first round then lewis took over for the rest. Tyson was the one who was duckin lewis, in fact most of the fighters out there ducked lewis coz they knew he'd knock fuck out of them
BINGO! Notice how they say his 'prime ended' when he lost to Douglas rather than admitting the truth... by the way, he was 24 at that loss... meaning his 'prime' ended at 23?!? Ridiculous.
It wouldn't hae been close in their prime.... tyson would have killed lewis in both of thier primes... many forget tyson's fighting style really went down after cuz died and dan roony left. When he was at his best with roony as his trainer it would not have been close.
During those three years between 1985 and 1988 Tyson only fought bums,some of them where well below the cruiserweight limit of 200lbs,but thats not his fault,but it does flatter his record.
Five out of Tysons first 10 heavyweight pro fights where against no hoper cruiserweights,then against an old Larry and a load of rubbish boxers to pad his record.
in 96 tyson was already passed it.....in 2002 he was even worse than in 96, so it comes no surprise I think lennox would of won that. Mike would have a better chance in the early 90s and late 80s...lewis had completely filled out his frame yet.
The thing is m8, Lennox wanted an Olympic gold before he went pro,so after failing to do so in 1984 he achieved his goal in 1988,the only reason Tyson did'nt feature in the Olypics is because he did'nt even qualify,loosing 3 fights in the selection process,2 losses to Tillman and also Payne.
its a joke though tyson and lewis fighting when theyre both ready for the nursing home
and then lewis wins and lewis goes down as better then tyson, I really dont care if tyson wanted to fight lewis in his prime or not , the whole point they never did, also it's not always up to the boxer on who they want to fight, I doubt tyson was worried about lewis, Its just good managment to dodge
in there prime tyson wud hav killed him like he did wen they were kids lennox got the easy way to the title by beating the hasbins tht y he beat tyson cause tyson was out of his prime
Casual boxing fans should shut the fuck up about Tyson and first do some research about Lewis before yapping their mouths! Tyson would NOT knock out Lewis.. Ever.. Lewis was vey calm outside of the ring and to the CASUAL fan, that's boring.. But inside the ring Lennox Lewis IS the greatest heavyweight of all time.. YES, he would beat Ali too, I'm sure.. Just ask George Foreman, even HE says Lewis is the greatest! I admit, Ali and Tyson are the greatest boxing ICONS of all time, big difference..
Douglas was the best fighter for that one night because he was motivated and in shape. He always had potential to be a all time great. He was just lazy.
how u can all lewis and holyfield bums is beyond me man...look at the state of the heavyweight division nowadays..thats bums..lewis holyfield and tyson are all top ten ATG heavyweights.
Oh please, Mercer was still in top form, and he put up a hell of a fight. Morrison and Tua are both better than anyone Tyson ever beat. Don't forget that Tommy Morrison kicked Ruddock's ass, something Tyson couldn't do. As for having problems with Klitschko - Klitschko is good, so there's no shame in that.
Tyson never beat a top flight fighter in his prime. The best he ever did was take Razor Ruddock (who went the distance with him) and Tony Tucker (who had a broken hand in the fight). That's not a legend's list of opponents. Now, look at Lewis: He beat Mercer, he beat Holyfield, he beat Klitschko, he beat Morrison, he beat Tua, he beat everyone.
Of course a prime Tyson would get his ass kicked by a prime Lewis. Tyson didn't do so well against Lewis in 1984, he ran from fighting him in 96, and he got his ass kicked in 2002. Quit making excuses for Tyson.
By the way, Mercer and Klitchsko represent victories over two fighters that Tyson NEVER could have beaten. Lewis didn't run from Klitschko, he had to retire at some point and he had nothing left to prove. Klitscko is lucky he didn't get killed or blinded by Lewis
You mean "lose" not "loose" Tyson had his ass kicked around the ring by five time loser Buster Douglas. As for Lewis' losses, they were quick stoppages - both protest worthy - and Lewis came back to dominate them, whereas Tyson never had a chance to beat guys like Holyfield or Lewis. As for Mercer and Klitschko, Mercer lost to Lewis, clearly, even if it was close. As for Klitschko, you keep forgetting that Klitchko's face was practically ripped off by Lewis' punches.
Facts: Tyson lost to Douglas at age 24. Tyson got his ass kicked by a 20-1 underdog Holyfield, who had heart problems and who had struggled against Bobby Czyz
Fact: Tyson ducked Lewis in 1996. Watch this video to see.
These are are not opinions or rumors. They are facts. You don't even seem able to grasp the very video that's posted here. You're delusional.
like i said. Lewis didnt have kids. His first born was born in 04 to his girlfriend of 4 years. Tyson and him fought in 02 and that was tyson son miguel tyson he held after the fight, so how can you get upset at a comment like that when you dont even have kids at the time. Seriously do you think lennox would let mike take his son back to mikes locker room and be with his son by himself. Google lennox first born and you will see the article.
Lewis beat him in 84, Tyson ducked and ran from him in 96 and got his head handed to him in 2002. What more do you need? Lewis NEVER took risks with guys, he had Tyson beat by the third round and then played it safe, making sure to punish Tyson. Remember also that 1) Lewis hurt his hand before the fifth and 2) He wanted to beat Tyson up before knocking him out because of what Tyson said about his kids. Lewis was better than Tyson, period.
Lewis ended up handling Tyson easily in 1984, but Tyson fans go around acting like Tyson won... I guess you can believe whatever you want when you don't know what you're talking about. Tyson also ducked Lewis in 1996!
I saw a video on here were lewis trainer said lewis didnt dominate either and it was about even. Also Tyson didnt duck lewis in 96.Lewis was the #1 contender but just came off a dissapointing win and instead mike wanted to unify the titles. He had more to gain by doing that. Of course lewis camp is gonna say that, they wanted a shot at the title. FWIW they were suppose to fight in the late 80's and also early 90's but lewis said "I dont wanna fight that guy he is an animal". I got the links.
its simple they were both kids had no money both chasing the dream to become the champ, and tyson fucked lewis up and then went on to become the champ, he didnt have a father and lewis had that fat mum always around to help him.
Tyson became the undisputed UNDEFEATED heavyweight champ then don king took over fucked his head with that horrid religion islam and ever since allah came into his life tyson flame that cus created was then over
Tyson forever
berealandstaytrue 3 months ago
It's a damn shame the 184 "sparring" of them was never recorded at all ... as I understand it, they fought off and on for weeks.
Nominay 10 months ago
Now, if Lewis can outbox Tyson while badly hurt how can one say that Lewis would lose to Tyson in his prime? This is dumb and unfounded, a young Lewis had the speed and footwork to dance away from danger. If Lewis wasn't fit, no way he could beat even a faded Tyson. Discipline and passion sets Lewis apart! I am nothing against Tyson but too many dimwitted Tyson fans out there who doesn't know shit talk too much. Nothing wrong to be Tyson's fan, being an ignorant one is retarded. Dumb fucks!
expressivechild 11 months ago
There are definitely more Tyson fans out there, because people would normally like the one who brings more excitement in the ring rather than one who fight like a mathematician. Like Dempsey and Tunney, who would you rather watch? I mean, whether you are a Brit or not Lewis' achievements cannot be denied. Just because he has long arms and tall, that is not the only reason he is a great. People who who say that probably don't know much about boxing other than the excitement it brings. (continue)
expressivechild 11 months ago
Poor Mike must have forgot what really happened when they sparred. Yes he bloodied Lennox in their first round but remember what happened after that MIke? Let me remind you. Lennox got the better of you and you couldn't get near him.
DaveWBedford 1 year ago
Lewis showed Tyson how to box clever, not just the big haymakers that Tyson was resorting to. If he was training well and hadn't done time for rape, then maybe,just maybe, it would've been a different story. but the boxing history book I have says Lewis was victorious. and older, and was given a title from Tyson to save this happening years earlier. Tyson was good but don't get carried away, he was second best to Lewis.
HVAEUHV 1 year ago
Tyson: 'My whole life has been a waste'
By Jon Saraceno, USA TODAY
Tyson's career disintegrated in the 1990s after Douglas upset him; suddenly, he became better known for his notoriety. At one time uncommonly fast and powerful in the ring, he exchanged the Spartan gym for the high life — buying mansions, including one with 38 bathrooms. He collected white Bengal tigers, expensive jewelry and dozens of exotic automobiles — when he wasn't getting drunk or high or carousing with strippers.
Cowardzaghe 1 year ago
Frankly, if Tyson take good care of himself and take fights seriously he wouldn't be so messed up today and as much as I like Lewis, he would be better than him if Tyson was as disciplined as Lewis was. I can't stomach the fact that he quit his against a Kevin 'Average Joe' McBride. His career started blasting all the way up, but come crashing all the way down in the end. I am not hater, just not a fan. Nonetheless, he become a better man after that Lewis fight....
expressivechild 1 year ago
When the bull and matador are in their primes and they fight, The bull almost always wins because his fire burns hotter, it may not last as long but it burns hotter. Duran vs. Leonard 1, Frazier-Ali 1 etc.
Shogun1650 1 year ago
Tyson did not have more skill than Lewis
ya lewis relied on his size and reach because he could, but tyson relied on his speed and power because he could
those arnt skills
Lewis was more skilled because he had a better technique and controlled the ring, dictating the fight, makin his opponents fight his fight, and lose because of it.
Tyson could only be successful as an aggressor and if that didnt work, like against lewis, he was out of options
Mike couldnt control the fight like Lennox could
bigmoney749 1 year ago 7
@bigmoney749 - Absolutely. Size and reach is not enough against iron Mike. If Lewis didn't have such good boxing skills, there is no way he'd win. Mike burst into the boxing when only old faded heavyweights and 2nd tier fighters were around. Anyone who deny Lewis has no idea what the sweet science is really about...
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild ur right size and reach is not enough to beat iron mike.....but it is enough when iron mike is not iron anymore and just fought for money....why cant u brits just face the facts lewis won all of his fights cuz of his reach and height...if lewis was tysons height he wudent even made it to the amateur boxing
fktheworld1 1 year ago
@fktheworld1 - You are just another typical stuck up American. Lewis had to fight the way he fight because of his reach and height, and Lewis defeat many heavyweight giants who has longer reach and taller than he is. Whenever Tyson lose a fight, people (typically Americans) come up with retarded excuses like he didn't train, he didn't care, and all that bullshit. Like Cuz dies, Hoffa dies. If this is true, then he has no heart. But Americans, like you are would deny Lewis because he is a Brit.
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild no im not making any excuse buster beat tyson fair and square and so did holyfield.....but u and i and everyone knows tyson was way pasted his prime fighting lewis and u know he was just fighting for money as he was bankrupt....
but u also have to take into account he also spend 4 years in prison thats it i aint makin any excuse we all know lewis caught tyson was out of his prime
fktheworld1 1 year ago
@fktheworld1 - Honestly, a lot of great fighters are not actually 'tall and long' if you do your homework before saying Lewis is great only for his reach and size, another thing about you Americans, you guys think that any Lewis fan has to be a Brit? Well, I am not. But hell, what can I expect from another American?
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild all the great fighters have longer reach and r taller u fool.....there was no fighter in the history of boxing who did what tyson did with his heigh and reach.....if u put lewis in tysons body lewis wudent even make it past sparing ameture boxers
fktheworld1 1 year ago
@bigmoney749 tyson was a better champion will be remember as a much better champion and if we take skill tyson has everything a boxer needs, mike will be remembered in yrs to come generations like frazier and ali im affraid lewis wont hahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahah
berealandstaytrue 2 months ago
@bigmoney749 something tyson can say i was undefeated undisputed heavy weight champ, legends can say that im afriad lewis cant, hel be another anyday champ, he fought a tyson that had taken 6 years out of the ring mainly down to islam the evil of this world
berealandstaytrue 2 months ago
@berealandstaytrue You wouldn't happen to be Tim Tebow in reality, would you? Tyson did not take six years out of the ring prior to fighting Lewis. Idk where you got that from. Also, fighters are judged on their entire careers, not their careers up to their first loss. 41-2-1 is better than 50-6 1NC. Also, Tyson was supposed to fight Lewis in 1996 but Mike ducked him and even paid him $4 million when Lewis sued him for loss of earnings.
bigmoney749 1 month ago
@bigmoney749 yea he did 4 years in jail the another 19 months off after the lewis fight, he never ducked lewis it was the two promoters that didnt agree on terms, lewis ducked ruiz thats why he gt stripped of his belt. tyson record is much better than lewis he fought better people amd did alot more for the sport.
berealandstaytrue 1 month ago
@berealandstaytrue you need to put the crack pipe down,, lewis has one of the best boxing records in the sport, much better than tysons, you fool go check it out,,
dean24uk 1 month ago
@dean24uk what records got to do with anything michael spinks has a better record than lewis something like 30 fights 1 defeat! its about the path they take what they achieve! lewis fought people out of prime and on his terms!! do u kno what a legend is, ali foreman tyson because in one stage of their career they were the UNDISPUTED UNDEFEATED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP, thats what seperates legends from champs
berealandstaytrue 1 month ago
@berealandstaytrue you fool, He became undisputed champion after defeating Evander Holyfield in November 1999 dont talk to me you know fuck all a record is kept for a reason, thats what, and PROFESIONALS have called him a legend, not my words theres,but you are too thick to research before you open your mouth, foreman said lewis is one oif the best heavyweights of all time, and he was,
dean24uk 1 month ago
@dean24uk sorry dumb ass u didnt read it properly i put in cap locks but still didnt register, UNDEFEATED undisputed heavyweight champ. lewis had a loss and a draw on rec before he became champ. and foreman has called many fighters the greatest of all time dont go by his judgement. Lewis had a lucky draw for fights, were the fuck was he at 21 - 28 waiting for the good champs to get old
berealandstaytrue 1 month ago
@berealandstaytrue who did a prime tyson really fight..? a 38 year old larry holmes...blah.. spink lmao, spink had brown skid marks on those white trunks before the bell even rang..sadly for lewis and tyson, there was no really great heavy weights in the 80s, there were some good fighters, i mean there not pro,s for nothing, but who was about ?
dean24uk 1 month ago
@pmack169
8 rounds mate.
91Williams91 1 year ago
This fight was a massive let down. I hoped for Tyson to win, that he lost was not really the letdown. But the fight was BORING, ONESIDED, and Tyson didnt appear to have any desire to even try to win the fight. He was probably in a decent shape just not the shape and the mental state required to win a fight of this magnitude.
BringerOfTheTruth 1 year ago
LENNOX LEWIS retired because he didn't think MUHAMMAD ALI will fight him to prove his "greatness". He could get a READY JOB as a COMEDIAN! The COWARD WAITED until 1996 to call out MIKE TYSON who had fought 4 TIMES in 9 YEARS and SMOKED more POT than CHEECH + CHIONG! The COWARD couldn't beat a POST-HEART ATTACK RUIZ ERA version of EVEANDER HOLYFIELD so EXPERTS are not surprised at the NEWS of LENNOX LEWIS'S RETIREMENT due to lack of action with typical PENSIONER MUHAMMAD ALI!
bobsinno 1 year ago
@bobsinno oh my god... is this... Cowardzaghe? COME ON MAN, GO DOWN TO JOB CENTRE PLUS AND FIND SOME FUCKING WORK. I'M SO BORED OF WATCHING BOXING VIDEOS AND FINDING MY BLOOD PRESSURE RISING BECAUSE OF YOUR FUCKING MAD OPINIONS. Ok, I can concede Calzaghe made a fucking fool of himself. But Lennox? Lennox was fucking great. Not that fan friendly, sure but come on- you clearly know boxing- how can you deny his skill as a fighter, irrespective of opposition? Please comment me back seriously.
gangsterchronicle 1 year ago
yeah he won, cause tyson was just fighting for the money
thodone 1 year ago
"He got back in the ring and tried to kill me" - Mike Tyson is a funny fucker.
BOTH GREAT BOXERS IN MY OPINION.
binner69er 1 year ago
Lewis beat him in 2002, not during the 80's when Tyson was on top. It would have been a different fight then.
spjfrat 1 year ago
Tyson would have had to have taken him out in the first 6 rounds... once he went past that his power diminished rapidly. Tyson also claims to have a respiratory condition that affected him in the second half of fights which is why he started so fast... I could see Lewis giving him an awful beating in the last 6 if he got through the onslaught, which he has the size and skill to do.
Look at footage of Tyson v Green, Tucker and Smith... head movement significantly reduces.
Who knows?
TALIBANBOYOreturns 1 year ago
Talibonboyreturns:
Either Tyson should be applauded for fighting with such a condition, which means he was crazy and his heart was incredible for fighting with such a condition...OR...there may be something else to look at. Tyson had a problem when he was very young, prior to boxing. He was a fat kid before he picked up boxing. Most fat kids have problems but most of the time there is a simple solution: Get your fat ass up, clean your diet, and exercise.
Orangewind 1 year ago
It's amazing what that does. Young, Fat, and not working out is bad and may give the impression of something wrong that can't be fixed when it actually can by simply doing what is healthy for you: Eat right and excericse.
Now was that Tyson's problem? Don't know. I just don't know with the kind of training he had to go through in Castskill wouldn't have killed him since he was pushed hard.
Orangewind 1 year ago
But maybe if that is in his mind then maybe it causes a problem to conserve or even speeds up his heart-rate because of worry. Don't know.
For Tyson, he started out fast and threw a lot of power shots. He changed tactics in how he fought at different points of his career, even in his prime...mostly to conserve energy it seems.
Orangewind 1 year ago
Fighting much bigger guys might be the reason you can wear out faster but because he put the early work in, the opponents tend to be beaten up mentally and physically by the second half as well. But even Bigger guys, if pushed, if not allowed to control the pace, can burn out quicker than they want. Big mid-section on a lot of those big guys too.
Orangewind 1 year ago
Almost all of his opponents were beaten before they went into the ring...they reckon Spinks had to be persuaded to come out! Holyfield, Lewis, Foreman... those 3 wouldn't have been frightened, which in turn would have frightened Mike.
Tyson was never really tested in his prime, although he was as exciting as any boxer to watch.
TALIBANBOYOreturns 1 year ago
@TALIBANBOYOreturns
Why were they beaten before they went into the ring?
After all, Tyson was only 5'10+, 215, and young...and many were a lot Taller/Heavier and more experiencedd. What was there to fear?
Orangewind 1 year ago
Tyson was tested, even against fighters that didn't fear him but just not to the extent of others like Ali and so on. The bad part to this all is that we don't know how good Tyson was at his peak because he wasn't the same fighter after he left his original team which was after Spinks. That training, that mind-set and so on, was the key to Tyson winning the title.
Orangewind 1 year ago
Not only wasn't he as good physically and technically, but mentally he declined without proper training. Confidence is built in training. It's knowing you are prepared for everything; Rooney helped him with that. Tyson was on his own and he proved he couldn't handle it so that was the biggest failure: Bad choices.
Orangewind 1 year ago
I agree... I'm not trying to run Tyson down... I loved watching his fights as a kid.
The thing is you don't know if the respiratory thing is true.... was it after fighting Clifford Etienne when Tyson claimed to have been fighting with a broken back?! lol
TALIBANBOYOreturns 1 year ago
@TALIBANBOYOreturns
Tyson's back was messed up, just not "broken." He actually had back troubles as far back as the amateurs but at that point, I think it was about the motorcycle accident.
There was something else to it as well...like a pinch nerve or something with his spine. It caused him to go down in sparring without being touched. Just blacked out. Same fight because Freddie was training him.
Orangewind 1 year ago
I bring up the Fat Kid thing because I've heard it first-hand from family members that are in the medical field. Sometimes, well, most of the time I think it just comes down to Fat Kid has been lazy and needs to run and eat better. Now there are other factors like genetics and environment which could be Tyson's case...don't know; maybe a mix of both.
Orangewind 1 year ago
But I just wonder with that type of training he did, which is pretty insane while in Catskill, if someone with very bad breathing troubles would survive. Now maybe it did put a "cap" on how good his stamina could get. But Tyson even out of shape wasn't even to bad since you think he would have been taken out sooner although maybe that just comes down to toughness. Not sure.
I think his body just may have had a "cap" because of the way he was built but not sure. Just throwing that out there.
Orangewind 1 year ago
In the end, I think Tyson was kind of a wasted talent. His fault though because he made the bad choices to throw it all a way. It's just at that age, with his continued progression, looking more relaxed and confident as the years went on up until he got rid of Rooney...you wonder if there would have been a difference with his fights with Douglas, Holyfield, Lewis...
Orangewind 1 year ago
But...it wasn't the case. I just don't think it was the same exact fighter. But it is a shot at him Mentally and how he handled his reign as Champion since he made the choices of course.
Like saying you want to "retire" after you just blasted out Spinks makes you scratch your head. The motivation was gone. He couldn't handle the life-style. And even not knowing how to retire which he could have done after that fight is a shot at his decision making.
Orangewind 1 year ago
tyson nock that ass out the ring! lmao...
wallacels1 1 year ago
yeah!... he fought tyson when tyson was all messsed up in tyson prime tyson would of beat the hell out of lewis and u no it! lewis aint shit
wallacels1 1 year ago
tyson knocked his ass out the ring!
wallacels1 2 years ago
and lewis knocked his ass in memphis!
ichirima 1 year ago
fuck lewis he could never beat tyson in his prime! and he no that!
wallacels1 2 years ago 3
lewis was a boxer, tyson was an animal. if your talking about who is the better BOXER its hands down lewis everytime.
BourbonJRA 2 years ago
lewis ahahahahahahahahahahah
redur87 2 years ago
Hell, we still want you back Champ.
All the best from Denmark
Bynkers83 2 years ago
Where did u get this from?
Jimmynable 2 years ago
YO MOM WAS SCARED JUST FACE IT
james86ful 2 years ago
lewis was massive.tyson was way a better boxer skill, head movement,speed and combos.he needed to be as he couldnt rely on his size like lewis.i am british but in my eyes lewis was only good because of his size and reach,he doesnt even know how to dance on his size 17 feet,very flat footed,no head movement and relied on his long arms and hight.lets be honest tyson in his prime was fantastic to watch in every way and i think would of beat lewis when he was fit.lewis didnt need to be as fit.
hghshannon 2 years ago 16
hghshannon,Tyson was a great knockout artist i agree,but he never learned what to do if he could'nt KO the opponent,thats why i differ in opinions from you on this one.Lennox could KO equally well as Tyson but he was also a clever boxer if he needed to be.
Nice video of the young lad by the way,looks like he's enjoying himself.
TheDoc64 2 years ago
@hghshannon You act like size is this unquestionable advantage.. its not. It takes skill to put a large body to good use in boxing. And Tyson was a freak of nature, if anyone had the physical advantage I think its him- at 15 years old he had the force of a grown man, and this combined with his stockyness made him an ideal in-fighter. Lennox defnitately deserves credit for his technical prowess, and I think he could beat Tyson prime vs prime.
seblasian 1 year ago
@hghshannon I'm sorry but thats rubbish. Lewis only good because of his height? Please- Lewis is technically one of the best boxers we've ever seen in the sport- just because he didnt need to move or dance, that doesn't predicate success- otherwise today Nikolai Valuev would be the greatest fighter in the world. No, Lewis was unbelievably skillful when it came to choosing his shots, putting himself behind the jab, breaking down his opponents systematically and not taking unnecessary risks.
gangsterchronicle 1 year ago 3
@gangsterchronicle I agree completely. Being great because of your gifts doesn't make you inferior to someone who is great in spite of the gifts they dont have
for example, Lewis-Tyson, Ali-Frazier, Holyfield-Lewis, Holyfield-Bowe
Ali was bigger and better than Frazier, Lewis bigger and better than Tyson and Holyfield, and Bowe bigger and better than Holyfield
I rest my case
btw i liked the comment with Valuev, he sucks balls
bigmoney749 1 year ago
@hghshannon
Other way round Lewis had the more skill thats why he beat every decent boxer of the 1990's and early 2000's. Thats why tyson got so fucked up when amazing boxers showed up and Lewis went on to beat the best,a dn what the hell you on about using his body type to his advantage is what every boxer should do dumbass.
403766 1 year ago
@403766 I agree totally. I liked Tyson very much and loved to see him fight, but in my book, lewis is the best heavyweight of his era. He was clearly ready to continue against Oliver McCall when the ref stopped it and the lucky punch against Hasim Rahman was pretty well revenged in the rematch. Of course he uses his size as you mention. That´s why we have middleweights, so smaller guys can box too :-)
Bjoernbaks 1 year ago 2
@Bjoernbaks
THANK YOU one of the smatest comments on a tyson video!
403766 1 year ago
@Bjoernbaks face the facts lewis without his reach and height wud be a tomato can....the guy had no boxing skills at all just jabbed and grabed the whole fight....but he was one of the best grabers in boxing history ill give him that...
a prime tyson vs this tomato can?? this tomato can wud run back to his pussy country of british and never come to america....
fktheworld1 1 year ago
@fktheworld1 - Yeah, thats why I said; typical Americans. You got to insult other countries and be a prick here on Youtube. What a class act...
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild u brits deserve it u fukin ugly english men.....every brit hates tyson just cuz hes american and yet ur saying americans hate lewis cuz hes a ugly weak english men??.....i never seen a brit like tyson over lewis so fuk u pussys who need brits in this world.....
fktheworld1 1 year ago
@fktheworld1 - Typical racist like you don't deserve a place in youtube. But whatever, so called boxing fans like you are only interested in brutal fights and knockouts. You don't know nothing about the sweet science I bet.. And btw, did Marciano, Frazier, Dempsey, Louis, had long range? I can go on with that since you have the nerve to say something as retarded as 'all great fighters have long range and height'. Damn.. Guys like you should seriously learn something about boxing.
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild no fighter had short reach like tysons and short height like tysons so STFU u just was boxing so u can see ur gay brit lewis huge fighter naked the whole fight so u can jerk off to the fight fukin pussy
fktheworld1 1 year ago
@fktheworld1
You must be gutted getting owned by everyone on here, and having to comment on all video's where lewis is whipping tysons ass.
403766 1 year ago
@expressivechild
Bro where is the ref? I have a lot of time to see you
danceswithwolvesful 1 year ago
@danceswithwolvesful - Well, sorry. But I don't get it....
expressivechild 1 year ago
@expressivechild
It was a joke. Don't pay attention to irrelevants.... You can chat days without any result. Now you got me?
danceswithwolvesful 1 year ago
@hghshannon tyson didnt now how to box he had no ring intelligence what he had were reflexes handspeed and power lewis was a boxer puncher who could adapt his gameplan for each opponent he was multi-dimensional tyson one-dimensional he couldnt box on the back foot
4180stephen 1 year ago
@hghshannon
I'm sorry but you clearly don;t know fuck all about basic boxing or even biology
403766 11 months ago
@hghshannon - Typically, most people only know the excitement that boxing brings and to watch someone like Iron Mike is always better than a watching a 'mathematician' in the ring. Whether you are a Brit or not is not the point. The point is your comment here is really dimwitted. And 16 other Tyson hardcore fans agreed with you. Lewis is known by boxing experts as a man who moves very well for his massive size. He is also known to be very disciplined in preparation for his fights. (continue)
expressivechild 11 months ago
@hghshannon - He weighed at about 250 pounds in his prime. Flat footed? He is pretty fleet footed for a man his size and weight and even by watching his fights one can tell. I am not sure why you say he didn't have to be as fit? He had been lazy and arrogant at times, causing him fights in two occasions but he avenged it all didn't he? He had some of the most impressive KOs despite being a 'safety first' boxer. Another guy who said Mike would beat Lewis in his prime and shit...
expressivechild 11 months ago
Have you ewer seen this new Tyson 2009 Movie...
Tyson sayd it as simple as possible...He knew he could not win,he was not in shape to win against anybody as he sayd it...To Mike it was simply a Good Pay Day...
As for Don KIng-Tyson receaved betwen 20 to 30 Million in a Court Desigion...
armenius25 2 years ago 4
Thank you, my friend,i'm glad you enjoyed the read,all very true as you know and appreciate,in my view Lennox is the best since Ali.
TheDoc64 2 years ago
TYSON IS THE BEST EVER
james86ful 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Lennox would have probably smashed Ali IMO.
Jimmynable 2 years ago
No, he was busy unifying the title, beating every champion at the time, while Lewis was fighting in yet another Olympics.
HeadlessEye 2 years ago
tyson would have destroyed him in his prime saying that the tyson from mid nineties would have won against lewis!
eazzymo 2 years ago
You are so wrong; Prime Tyson against prime Lewis???
Same outcome as when they fought..Lewis by knockout
ManlnCognito 2 years ago
if lewis fight mike at his prime well tyson will kill lenox for sure
krungski 2 years ago
no, u have no idea
BourbonJRA 2 years ago
Tyson ducked Lewis in the 90's, just like Riddick Bowe did.
ccf1971 2 years ago
it's funny to me that manny steward said that tyson was one of the greatest fighters of the past 50 yrs.Oliver mcall said the hardest puncher he ever fought was buster douglas, mcall has the toughest chin in boxing if lewis fought buster on that fateful night in tokyo he would have been crushed that was a man possesed
morto187 2 years ago
pmack169 your talking shit i bet you also think calzaghe would have beaten roy jones in his prime to?
eazzymo 2 years ago
mr pmack how could lewis lose in court with a wbc contractual no.1 contender agreement any lawyer worth their salt would win and you know it. U said 89 tyson was shit lewis fought a 36 yr old ray mercer who was robbed in my opinion but to be objective me must analyze there whole career in full detail not just by this video and there bullshit fight. i luv boxing and want the best to fight the best in there prime
morto187 2 years ago
well you can only beat whoever is available at the time pmack! and who did lewis beat for that matter and you must be an idiot if you think tyson didnt have a good chin. the truth of the matter is the late eighties was just as the same as the late nineties when supposedly lewis was at his prime who did lewis beat that is worth half a shit bsides holyfield? and look at both fighters in there peaks and what they did and how they boxed and how they won there fights you will have your answer!
eazzymo 2 years ago
let's deal with the facts Lennox is a smart fighter and deserving champ but he never beat Mcall by decision or K.O and he never had to take the step aside money Tyson offered him which makes him look stupid. 96 Holyfield wins by K.O, 89 Tyson wins by K.O and here is something from left field a sane 99 Ibeabuchi wins by decision 2 times and then lewis fades into oblivion but these are hypothetical. By the way tyson does have a good chin Lewis himself said so after their fight
morto187 2 years ago
Comparing lewis to tyson is a big joke. Being a business man hasnnt got anything to do with boxing itsits about who was better at their peaks n tyson would have knocked lewis out clean and to think otherwise is stupied. i bet you also think calzaghe would have beaten roy jones at his peak?
eazzymo 2 years ago
Oh hell, this again. I have said previously, a prime Roy Jones junior would have nothing to gain from a match against Calzaghe. It's hypothetical and therefore pointless to argue. But could a guy who trains in a barn in Wales beat a prime Roy Jones junior? I would not say impossible but highly unlikely. Jones junior was extremely good at what he did.
Boxing is a science so I don't think Tyson would win (over Lewis), he is not very diverse, and never was a fighter with a tough jaw.
57worldwide 2 years ago
Yes i do know that a year older, lewis hit his prime when he was older unlike tyson who was in his prime prob when was about 20
davidronaldp 2 years ago
tyson 1 of the greatest and yeah would have knocked out lewis clean out in his prime and of course lewis wanted to fight him in 96 he had just come out of prison and he might have took a beating of lewis in 02 but he took it like a man. In 10yr no body will remember lewis but iron mike tyson will live on.
eazzymo 2 years ago
That is such opininionated nonsense. Tyson will be remembered for having the fastest KO and being the youngest heavyweight, but also for biting Holyfield's ear, being a convicted rapist, and retiring broke. Doing guest appearances on tv to raise money.
Lewis retired with all previous defats avenged (one of only 3 boxers in history), he is also a business man and a smart boxer. Lewis is one of the greatest of this recent era (a greater boxer than Tyson, who only fought one way).
57worldwide 2 years ago
tyson =legend
bullndl 2 years ago
Totally right!
krl133 2 years ago
It's so fuckin sad how guys like Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield and all those glorious champs have most likey taken steroids. Look how fuckin skinny Lewis and Holyfield were when they were 20. It's impossible to gain so much weight and still maintain such a low body fat percentage. Holyfield could easily make 175 early his career. When he kicked Douglas' ass he weighed 208 and years later when he fought guys like Tyson he weighed 230+. And all of a sudden he has heart problems ...
SoJuDaMaN 2 years ago
Look at their bone structure. They are actually built big. It isn't impossible to gain weight if you eat the right food and have the right exercise and genetics. If you are eating hamburgers, probably no but eating lean meat such as eye fillet and scotch fillet, no chicken skin, cooking with vegetable oil (such as safflower or sunflower) instead of cooking in animal fat. Nutrition and biology (modern boxers have sports nutritionists and dietitions, and srict balanced diets).
57worldwide 2 years ago
well Lewis is a big guy, But no way Holyfield drags up from 175 to 220 and still has under 10% body fat. that's impossible without roids regardless of how good your nutrition is.
Roy Jones was tested positive for roids, Vitali Klitschko was tested positive and many many more good boxers. So I don't think it's that unlikely evander took roids, too.
SoJuDaMaN 2 years ago
Tyson was a shadow of his former self when they fought in 2002 he was getting high on weed when he should have been getting fit for the fight, both fighters in their prime there would only be one winner and that would clearly be tyson
davidronaldp 2 years ago 5
Tyson could beat anyone in his prime with cus damato and kevin rooney
Lacqueras 2 years ago 12
whatever happened in that sparring match in 1984 doesnt mean shit. prime tyson vs prime lewis would have been a GREAT fight
shellbsd23 2 years ago
lewis took on allcomers...tyson picked and chose his chumps and avoided potential losses until he had no choice..and then lost. story of tyson's life...a pice of work in and out of the ring.
bnewman227 2 years ago
so when lewis were at amateur stage he were in his prime? think it through
tyson weeded his way out of a fight wi lewis in 1996 (tyson wouldve been in a better state to fight lewis then)
lewis were also in one of his bestest form when he fought tyson, tyson hardly landed a punch, so how can you tell if tyson wouldve knocked lewis out when tyson were in his prime? you cant, so dont go dealing out justice thats beyond your power
... yer dickhead
yonnerman 3 years ago
Just another tyson bum boy. Now calm down while i go and watch the footage of tyson getting a beating off lewis again. A BEATING
chaddie60 3 years ago
Americans are the worst losers EVER.. and if your (Americans) reeding this post thinking Tyson was better, you are pathetic. Evryone loses even you fat fucks. Be real men and stop hideing behind the "he was past his prime" shit.... He was the same age (virtually) as Lewis, Im sure all this past his prime shit would be all over the place in Ricky Hatton beat Floyd Mayweather.... But since its the other way around we (English foke) just say fair enough he was (is) a better fighter.
brad1brad 3 years ago
Yeah Georg Foreman the greatest analyst, this is the guy who named all his kids "George" right?
Crazy man!
But here you can see the differents between the bodies, as they were young.
I am sure all the fighters, who try to beat Tyson took illegal drugs to build up their bodies, cause they knew, they have no chance against a natural power builded body like Mikes.
krl133 3 years ago 4
Foreman is also a rich business man. So his opinion is valid. There is too much at stake for the boxers to be untested for any kind of performance enhancing drug. So your opinion is not valid. Anyone can gain weight quickly with the right diet and exercise (and also genetics).
57worldwide 2 years ago
regadless about what...
i,m sure i can lecture you about both...
armenius25 3 years ago
What do you mean about both ??
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Like the(regarded)Best Boxing Expert sayd once:Tyson is eighter so intelligent or so Brute that many of us find him so fascinating and Interesting.
Eavn Today!Tyson is more popular than Lewis.
Thats a FACT!!!
Tyson-Lewis is a Boxing Match that many peapol dont eavn wana Watch...(Also a Fact)
Cus they wana rember Tyson as he once was! In his Prime...
In Lewis Fight.Awryone gave Tyson the First Round but thats it..Tyson did not had nothing as before!Like a entirely diferent boxer...
armenius25 3 years ago 2
I thought the topic was his boxing ability not his popularity,popularity dont win you fights.I remember Tyson as being a thug ,rapist ,wife beater,who converted to Islam to hide behind religion as a publicity stunt,yea a real nice guy would'nt you say?? Tyson's prime was 3 years,Lewis applied his trade at the top of the pile for over 10 yrs,and was a gentleman and good example for the sport.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
armenius25 3 years ago
So prior to his jail sentence what did Tyson do? For the most part he beat chumps which is what you normally do when you are coming up like Tyson was. So Tysons last year of boxing before jail was 91 right?
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Lewis was a much smarter boxer than Tyson and would have beat him with his brain if need be. He would just use his height and reach advantage to control the fight. he would keep Tyson off him with his jab and back up when need be sort of how he outpointed David Tua. Lewis has a 13 inch reach advantage with a 7 inch height advantage.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Who did Mike Tyson beat for the heavyweight championship? Trevor Berbick yup thats right folks the great Trevor Berbick!!!! come on Im sure you all remember Berbick for his losses against such greats as Bernardo Mercado, Renaldo Snipes, ST Gordon, Carl Williams, Jimmy Thunder, Lyle McDowell and Tony LaRosa.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Is is Mike Tyson's fault he was the champion at the time? What kind of argument is this? Lewis was fighting in yet another fucking Olympics while Tyson was undisputed champion of the world. But let me guess, Tyson was ducking him then too.
HeadlessEye 2 years ago
Don't say he was to good as an amateur either. He was 24-3 and didn't qualify for the Olympics. The great fighters will fight literally hundreds of amateur bouts. He had much to learn but his people knew they were sitting on a gold mind. He was handled wrong from the beginning. He had amazing hand speed, unbelievable quickness to close on his opponent and packed a hell of a punch but he never learned to box.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Don't forget good defense and solid footwork. These are known as BOXING SKILLS.
HeadlessEye 2 years ago
The heavyweight division was weak with old man Holmes still beating people. Tyson was exciting and all his real competition was still fighting in the amateur ranks learning to box.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
You can't be boxing and be a lunatic believe it or not. Tyson was exposed against Douglas and once he was he never had a chance in the sport. He never learned what to do if he couldn't KO the person. Trust me no one is so much better than the field that they don't have to resort to knowing how to box as they made Tyson appear. It was a shame and those people who think Tyson was a great champion bought into to what his promoters were selling.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
You say James Buster Douglas beat him in his prime but ,Douglas was tko'd by David Bey who finished his career with a record of 18 wins and 11 losses with 1 draw
Douglas was tko'd by Mike White who finished his career with a record of 26 wins and 13 losses with 1 draw
Douglas lost a decision to Jesse Ferguson who finishes his career with 26 wins and 18 losses , i rest my case.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Tyson was a creation of the Media. They fed him bums and fooled everyone into thinking he was a great boxer. He NEVER beat a great boxer in his prime, Tyson might be the most overated boxer of all time.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Still.Tyson is the most atractive and popular.
WEEN HE GIVES A SIMPLE INTERVIEW AWRYONE WANTS
TO BE THERE...
CUS,HERE WE HAVE THIS ENIGMATIC PERSON THAT
ALOUTS OF PEAPLE CAN RELATE TOO...
AND IN MANY EYES TYSON IS THE TRUE CHAMPION OF THE ERA...LIKE I EXPLAINED BELOW...
CHAMPIONS REACH THER PEAK AT DIFFERENT STAGES,DEPENDING ON THER PRETICULAR FIGHTING STYLE...
BUT NO MATHER HOW YOU PUT IT...IF THEY FOUGHT
IN THER PRIMES(BOTH)..TYSON WOULD DESTOY HIM.
SIMPLE AS THAT...
armenius25 3 years ago
Tyson was never a great boxer he was a glorified thug who won by scaring people. What happens when people show they are not scared? He bites them ...
TheDoc64 3 years ago
I know boxing---alout...
And i can tell you like awry Boxing expert...
that Boxers reach and fall from ther Peak in
differet stages of ther Cariera...
Tyson was at his peak betwen 1986 til 1992!
Lewis was at his peak betwen 1995 til 2000!
But if both boxers fought at the Primes...
The result would be one sided...Tyson wins
in Three Rounds...End of Story.
armenius25 3 years ago
And Besids Tyson admits that only man beat him at his Prime...That was James Buster Dougklas...
Unlike Holyfield(who used Doping) and Lewis
who boxed Tyson,ween Tyson was WAAAAY past his Prime and only a Shadow of him former self.(plus he was Drinking heavily)...
Other than That...Neighter Boxer had the Style to bead Kid/Iron Mike Tyson at his peak.
Once Tyson fired Kevin Ronney(his real Trainer)...His Boxinig skills deminished vary fast...There were no more this elusivne agression...
armenius25 3 years ago
Lewes did not tock the rest...he just walked out of the Ring and sayd i know what to doo..
That was the real story...You can find in You TUbe
armenius25 3 years ago
Of the modern day heavyweights only Holyfield shares Lewis's honourable record of making himself available to fight anyone, anywhere. Mike Tyson paid $4m not to fight him. It was not step aside money, it was payment in lieu of court costs which would have inevitably followed Tyson's refusal to fight, a reluctance which led to his surrender of the World Boxing Council title.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Tyson would Tonado his ass ween he was in his Prime...Like he did ween they sparred once...
Lewis awoided Tyson at his prime...Then ween
Tyson was clearly at his Carrier End and has been true so much,Lews gets the Guts to chalenge him...
But he miscalulated...Instead of a Great Victory he harmed him self more than Beating a
old and exosted Tyson...
Cus we all know that the true Chapmion of the
era was one man,And his name was Mike Tyson..
armenius25 3 years ago
your talkin shit.
Tyson only did well in the sparing match in the first round then lewis took over for the rest. Tyson was the one who was duckin lewis, in fact most of the fighters out there ducked lewis coz they knew he'd knock fuck out of them
1986ant1986 3 years ago
How can anyone really say how good Mike was in his prime because the opposition was so shit.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
BINGO! Notice how they say his 'prime ended' when he lost to Douglas rather than admitting the truth... by the way, he was 24 at that loss... meaning his 'prime' ended at 23?!? Ridiculous.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Bloody spot on lads.
brad1brad 3 years ago
It wouldn't hae been close in their prime.... tyson would have killed lewis in both of thier primes... many forget tyson's fighting style really went down after cuz died and dan roony left. When he was at his best with roony as his trainer it would not have been close.
achillesbeast 3 years ago
During those three years between 1985 and 1988 Tyson only fought bums,some of them where well below the cruiserweight limit of 200lbs,but thats not his fault,but it does flatter his record.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
Five out of Tysons first 10 heavyweight pro fights where against no hoper cruiserweights,then against an old Larry and a load of rubbish boxers to pad his record.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
in 96 tyson was already passed it.....in 2002 he was even worse than in 96, so it comes no surprise I think lennox would of won that. Mike would have a better chance in the early 90s and late 80s...lewis had completely filled out his frame yet.
sleazyfellow 3 years ago
The thing is m8, Lennox wanted an Olympic gold before he went pro,so after failing to do so in 1984 he achieved his goal in 1988,the only reason Tyson did'nt feature in the Olypics is because he did'nt even qualify,loosing 3 fights in the selection process,2 losses to Tillman and also Payne.
TheDoc64 3 years ago
its a joke though tyson and lewis fighting when theyre both ready for the nursing home
and then lewis wins and lewis goes down as better then tyson, I really dont care if tyson wanted to fight lewis in his prime or not , the whole point they never did, also it's not always up to the boxer on who they want to fight, I doubt tyson was worried about lewis, Its just good managment to dodge
tough fights
mellowman07 3 years ago
Tyson ducked fighting Lewis in 96, so blame Tyson.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago 2
in there prime tyson wud hav killed him like he did wen they were kids lennox got the easy way to the title by beating the hasbins tht y he beat tyson cause tyson was out of his prime
stumaggoo 3 years ago
its funny to see "nobodys" to make theorys about why mike tyson ducked lewis, "that lewis would have KO mike back in 1996"
i have been a fan of boxing for 40 years, and if i would bet my 5 cents of who would have win it would be micheal gerrard tyson.
Rabbethepowah 3 years ago
Tyson never knocked out anyone with talent... buster douglas kicked his ass, holyfield kicked his ass
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Casual boxing fans should shut the fuck up about Tyson and first do some research about Lewis before yapping their mouths! Tyson would NOT knock out Lewis.. Ever.. Lewis was vey calm outside of the ring and to the CASUAL fan, that's boring.. But inside the ring Lennox Lewis IS the greatest heavyweight of all time.. YES, he would beat Ali too, I'm sure.. Just ask George Foreman, even HE says Lewis is the greatest! I admit, Ali and Tyson are the greatest boxing ICONS of all time, big difference..
LennoxLewis86 3 years ago
well said, Lewis would have destroyed Tyson at any time, which is why Tyson ducked Lewis in 1996 when he didn't need to fight him.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
lol
mellowman07 3 years ago
Lennox Lewis is The best heavyweight of all time- copy and paste and see for yourself who said this
lancego30 3 years ago 2
Douglas was the best fighter for that one night because he was motivated and in shape. He always had potential to be a all time great. He was just lazy.
RazorzTheName1991 3 years ago
Lennox Lewis KO Tyson even in 1984 in training!!!
bambataa4ever 3 years ago
"KNocked him out the ring" hehe
international2009 3 years ago
how u can all lewis and holyfield bums is beyond me man...look at the state of the heavyweight division nowadays..thats bums..lewis holyfield and tyson are all top ten ATG heavyweights.
scottyo7 3 years ago
Oh please, Mercer was still in top form, and he put up a hell of a fight. Morrison and Tua are both better than anyone Tyson ever beat. Don't forget that Tommy Morrison kicked Ruddock's ass, something Tyson couldn't do. As for having problems with Klitschko - Klitschko is good, so there's no shame in that.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Tyson never beat a top flight fighter in his prime. The best he ever did was take Razor Ruddock (who went the distance with him) and Tony Tucker (who had a broken hand in the fight). That's not a legend's list of opponents. Now, look at Lewis: He beat Mercer, he beat Holyfield, he beat Klitschko, he beat Morrison, he beat Tua, he beat everyone.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Of course a prime Tyson would get his ass kicked by a prime Lewis. Tyson didn't do so well against Lewis in 1984, he ran from fighting him in 96, and he got his ass kicked in 2002. Quit making excuses for Tyson.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
By the way, Mercer and Klitchsko represent victories over two fighters that Tyson NEVER could have beaten. Lewis didn't run from Klitschko, he had to retire at some point and he had nothing left to prove. Klitscko is lucky he didn't get killed or blinded by Lewis
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
You mean "lose" not "loose" Tyson had his ass kicked around the ring by five time loser Buster Douglas. As for Lewis' losses, they were quick stoppages - both protest worthy - and Lewis came back to dominate them, whereas Tyson never had a chance to beat guys like Holyfield or Lewis. As for Mercer and Klitschko, Mercer lost to Lewis, clearly, even if it was close. As for Klitschko, you keep forgetting that Klitchko's face was practically ripped off by Lewis' punches.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Tyson was 24 and in his prime, yet Douglas kicked his ass. Watching you Tyson fans make excuses for him is just pathetic. Pathetic.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Facts: Tyson lost to Douglas at age 24. Tyson got his ass kicked by a 20-1 underdog Holyfield, who had heart problems and who had struggled against Bobby Czyz
Fact: Tyson ducked Lewis in 1996. Watch this video to see.
These are are not opinions or rumors. They are facts. You don't even seem able to grasp the very video that's posted here. You're delusional.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Tyson NEVER beat a top level fighter. NEVER. The best he beat was Tony Tucker (who broke his hand in the fight).
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
And Tony Tucker was good but not great. Well he was very good but not very great.
RazorzTheName1991 3 years ago 2
I agree, he was a good fighter, he put up good fights against other top competitors... but he was never a great fighter.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
like i said. Lewis didnt have kids. His first born was born in 04 to his girlfriend of 4 years. Tyson and him fought in 02 and that was tyson son miguel tyson he held after the fight, so how can you get upset at a comment like that when you dont even have kids at the time. Seriously do you think lennox would let mike take his son back to mikes locker room and be with his son by himself. Google lennox first born and you will see the article.
RapRepoMan 3 years ago
Tyson ran from Lewis in 1996. The fact even shows up here in this video. You Tyson fans are all the same: delusional deniers of reality.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Lewis beat him in 84, Tyson ducked and ran from him in 96 and got his head handed to him in 2002. What more do you need? Lewis NEVER took risks with guys, he had Tyson beat by the third round and then played it safe, making sure to punish Tyson. Remember also that 1) Lewis hurt his hand before the fifth and 2) He wanted to beat Tyson up before knocking him out because of what Tyson said about his kids. Lewis was better than Tyson, period.
hanniballecturer 3 years ago
Lewis ended up handling Tyson easily in 1984, but Tyson fans go around acting like Tyson won... I guess you can believe whatever you want when you don't know what you're talking about. Tyson also ducked Lewis in 1996!
hanniballecturer 3 years ago 2
I saw a video on here were lewis trainer said lewis didnt dominate either and it was about even. Also Tyson didnt duck lewis in 96.Lewis was the #1 contender but just came off a dissapointing win and instead mike wanted to unify the titles. He had more to gain by doing that. Of course lewis camp is gonna say that, they wanted a shot at the title. FWIW they were suppose to fight in the late 80's and also early 90's but lewis said "I dont wanna fight that guy he is an animal". I got the links.
ashleesaldana21 3 years ago