@uwique "if you beleive in your heart your JUSTIFIED" Oh blah. Belief is faith, and faith is belief. Faith includes obedience - it's not simply mental assent. Bedtime for me.
@lllannallll "By preaching/teaching the word in, hopefully, a logical, rational, intelligent manner"
Sadducees: They were the religious rationalists of the time.
Remember me post this on anoth seg. of this video series. I said you were a religious rationalists and you denied it, but here,you say you preach/teach in a rational way.
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE ?? I say "SIR" , you just like to argue and support the ways of the spirit of the church of anti-christ !
@uwique "i never denied obedience,,thats part of faith." Then what in the world do you do? You'll turn right around and say, "Baptism isn't any part of faith ... somehow saved by faith, which includes compliance, but without baptism, which is a part of compliance." Good grief. I think you see the problem.
@lllannallll the bible says by grace you are saved thru faith in christ jesus,,not being dunked.this is where you and i disagree,,baptism isnt any part of being saved,,its confessing christ as savior,,not being dunked under water.
@uwique I guess we can move on to Acts 2: 38. That's a common verse - one that's very familiar. Can ya explain THAT in a way that fits your beliefs? Or does Acts 2: 38 have the same fate as Acts 22: 16?
@uwique Look it up and explain it. You need a link? Why in the world would Paul need to "be baptized and wash away his sins." Shouldn't they have ALREADY been washed away, if you are correct?
@lllannallll the bible says,if you repent and confess with your mouth jesus is lord,you will be saved....,,if your saved,,your sins are already washed away.
@uwique "your sins are already washed away." Paul's weren't, were they? "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " You haven't even pretended to explain it. You can't.
@uwique 'i dont know enough about act 22 16" AMEN! You don't. Can't argue with that one. You know more about ICU wards and foxholes. Well, then READ Acts 22: 16, then you'll "know enough about it".
@uwique "you still cant explain the deathbed scenario can you?" You know why? Because I'm not the JUDGE. You actually want me to "pass sentence" on someone. Well, you aren't qualified to do it, either. THAT is why the question is nonsense to start with. All such emotional appeals are.
@lllannallll well i just explained what the person did on his/her deatbed didnt i?he confessed the lord as his savior and repented,,so if a person does that,he has etrnal life??havent yu read that before?
@uwique 'i beleived i explained the deatbed scenario" Yeah, and IF the guy is saved, he's saved on the grounds of lack opportunity by the mercy of a righteous judge who knows his heart. If he's lost, he's lost due to lack of faith - lack of trust and compliance - due to spurning missed opportunities. God will take care of that - I'll be ok either way. However, you can't explain Acts 22: 16, and you won't explain Acts 2: 38 either.
@lllannallll he saved on the grounds of repentance,,,,i'm giving u a scenario,,if he repents and confesses christ as savior,,and then dies a few minutes later,,he will goto heaven.
@uwique "i'm giving u a scenario,,if he repents and confesses christ as savior,,and then dies a few minutes later,,he will goto heaven." Fine. That's your assertion. When God appoints you judge, you can send him to heaven with all his sins yet unforgiven. That's the position you take. I said explain Acts 2: 38.
@uwique "a person is saved by repentance and confession,,does not your bible say that?" Nope, and yours doesn't either. Give the verse. So you are here discussing this, and you know NOTHING about Acts, and you're too lazy to look it up. LOL. I told you that you are better in the ICU ward.
@uwique Anyway, on to Acts 2: 37, 38 - if you don't know anything about that one EITHER, just say so. If you thing you can twist it to fit your beliefs, have at it. Lord, I dont' want to have to ask 10 times only to discover that you're ignorant.
@lllannallll your right,, i dont know enough about aCTS,,just like yu cant explain the death bed scenario,,a person is saved by repentance and confession,,does not your bible say that?
i'm telling you,,the person on the deatbed repented of his sins,confessed jesus christ as lord and savior,,and then died 3 minutes later,your telling me what he did wasnt good enough cuase he wasnt baptised right?..your telling me that baptism is included in the plan of salvation right?
@uwique "your telling me what he did wasnt good enough cuase he wasnt baptised right?" I'm telling you that I've asked you FIVE TIMES about Acts 22: 16. #1 .. Arise, #2 be baptized, #3 wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Easy enough. Explain it. Explain why it's not #1 wash away thy sins, #2 calling on His name, #3 Arise, and #4 be baptized. Five times, I've asked .. five times you thought it best not to answer.
@uwique I'm telling YOU that the absolute, dead-level best that you've done with Acts 22: 16, "Arise, be baptized, wash away they sins" is to MAKE UP some situation in which the person CAN'T GET UP. LMAO. Then base an entire, universal doctrine on the moribund state of someone. Tell us all about Acts 22: 16.
@uwique "ok have faith in jesus christ by being obedient and compliant to his word." Well, no ... having faith by TRUSTING, by HAVING CONFIDENCE, by BELIEVING, by COMPLYING, by OBEDIENCE. That's faith. That's faith as per the dictionaries and Biblical usage, at least in most places.
@uwique See why I said you won't discuss a Bible verse? I gave you Acts 22: 16. You have no intention of discussing it - you prefer ICU wards to the Bible. That's why I wondered if this is a joke.
@uwique Ok, have it your way. Assume people in ICU wards are exceptions. Paul wasnt IN any hospital though, and neither are you. So Acts 22: 16 applies to us. Discuss it. Explain it in ANY way that'll fit your doctrine. OH, go ahead.
@uwique Ok, have it your way. Assume people in ICU wards are exceptions. Paul was IN any hospital though, and neither are you. So Acts 22: 16 applies to us. Discuss it. Explain it in ANY way that'll fit your doctrine.
@lllannallll well..ok..but i not talking about me or paul,,what do u mean have it my way?LOL,,your telling me that a person can be doomed for hell even if he repents and accepts christ as his savior,all cuase he didnt get baptised,,,do u not see anything wrong with this?
@uwique "do u not see anything wrong with this?" The main thing I see wrong is that you basically do not say JACK about Acts 22: 16 cuz you have nothing to say. You happily returned my request for an explanation by ... umm ... asking another question. Won't work. Get busy and explain it. Why was Paul told to be baptized and wash away his sins AFTER he repented. Why weren't his sins ALREADY forgiven?
@uwique "do u think i havent been biblical at all??LOL" Blah. I THINK you haven't explained Acts 22: 16, period. You haven't even tried. You were better in the ICU ward. I've asked about 10 times, and so far, you've said three naughts, two ciphers, and a zero. No explanation at all. Why does your belief contradict the conversion of Paul?
@uwique "just like you cant explain the guy on the deathbed can u?" Nor can you. So we're even on that one. But I CAN explain Acts 22: 16, and you can't do that either. It's very easy. "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling upon the name of the Lord." And yet YOU can't explain it? Why? Seems easy enough.
@lllannallll i beleived i explained the deatbed scenario,,i told you the guy repented of his sins and confessed jesus christ as lord,,but you dont think thats good enough even though thats what the bible says to do,,since he cant be baptised,,your baptism overrules a conffession of repentance,,,silly i say.
@uwique "i beleived i explained the deatbed scenario" Sorta. Did the person on the deathbed STILL HAVE HIS SINS TO BE WASHED AWAY? Did he "Arise, be baptized, and wash away his sins" like Paul did? Further, explain why this deathbed dude got his sins forgiven, maybe, BEFORE baptism - yet ole Paul had to wait around. This oughta be good.
@lllannallll no..he wasnt baptised but he confessed jesus as savior,,do u know the scripture in the bible where it says cofessing christ as savior and u will be saved?,your telling me the person goes to hell just cuase he wasnt dunked under water then right?
@uwique IF the guy is saved, he's saved on the grounds of lack opportunity by the mercy of a righteous judge who knows his heart. If he's lost, he's lost due to lack of faith - lack of trust and compliance - due to spurning missed opportunities. God will take care of that
@uwique "your telling me the person goes to hell just cuase he wasnt dunked under water then right?" IF the guy is saved, he's saved on the grounds of lack opportunity by the mercy of a righteous judge who knows his heart. If he's lost, he's lost due to lack of faith - lack of trust and compliance - due to spurning missed opportunities. God will take care of that - I'll be ok either way. I've answered that silly hypothetical tale 10 times.
@uwique 'he saved by grace thru faith,,and confessing christ as savior,,what part of this dont yu understand?" I do not understand how you can say "grace through faith" on the one hand, then DENY that "faith" includes "obedience" (which includes confession and baptism) on the other. I told you that you'd deny even a DICTIONARY, and you do.
@uwique "what part of this dont yu understand?" The part that causes a fella to take plain passages like Acts 22: 16 and Acts 2: 38, and cry, "I don't know anything about Acts" and move right on. Heck, learn something about Acts and come back.
@uwique And "believeth" in Rom 10 is "faith", and "faith" is "trust, compliance, confidence, obedience." Faith, in that sense, INCLUDES both repentance and baptism. That's easy. Use a dictionary.
@uwique "bottom line is,your including baptism in the salvation process." Absolutely, if possible. If impossible, then that might be different. Salvation is "by faith" ... "faith" includes "obedience" ... and "confession of faith and baptism are the two of the first acts of obedience." That's correct.
@uwique "i never denied obedience,,thats part of faith." No, not overtly. You undermine it, though. You'll say salvation by faith includes obedience, but does not include baptism. And you sure can't prove that one. That's why you can't explain Acts 22: 16.
@uwique Rom 10: 9, 10 mentions faith and confession as necessary. It does not mention repentance or baptism, although both are included under "faith." It would be strange for one to include repentance and exclude baptism.
@uwique "faith in christ jesus,,not being dunked." You said obedience is INCLUDED in faith, didn't you? Well, repentance, confession, and baptism ARE obedience, aren't they. Yet you claim TWO of them are ESSENTIAL, and one IS NOT. And you have to just assert it - can't prove it.
@uwique "so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?" Certainly, have FAITH! Now try Acts 22: 16 <-- 4th time I've asked. You wanted the Bible. There ya are.
@uwique "Certainly, have FAITH!" <-- by the way, take a lexicon and define "faith." I'll await your definition. Amazing that you can't even take a DICTIONARY and use it. Well, you can - you won't.
@uwique "so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?" Certainly, have FAITH! Now try Acts 22: 16 <-- 4th time I've asked. You wanted the Bible. There ya are.
@uwique "so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?" Certainly, have FAITH! Now try Acts 22: 16 <-- 4th time I've asked. You wanted the Bible. There ya are.
@uwique "how am i not using the bible?i'm talking about repentance and salvation," Alright. You wanna try the Bible. Try Acts 22: 16: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " Explain it. It seems that, as per you, a candidate for baptism should HAVE NO SINS to wash away. Floor is yours. You want the Bible - you'll get it. Ok, use the Bible. <-- asked 3 times now
@uwique "so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?" Certainly, have FAITH! Now try Acts 22: 16 <-- 4th time I've asked. You wanted the Bible. There ya are.
gosh!1i guess if a member of the church of christ visits a guy on his dearthbed,,he would probably tell him hes going to hell,,theres no hope for you,,you cant be saved cuase you cant be baptised,,ohhh boy!!LOL
@uwique "i guess according to your doctrine a person on their deathbed is already eternally doomed huh?" MY doctrine - my belief - is that I have no idea what God does in individual cases. I suppose His decision might have to do with previous opportunity or lack thereof. I've never sought to pronounce judgement on anyone who had NO ABILITY to obey. Apparently you do.
@USAFreedomReform ,a man on his death bed asks god for forgiveness and repents of his sins,then dies minutes later without being baptised,,,,where does he spend eternity?he still hasnt answered me on this question..lol
@uwique Marching around a city and tooting horns so a city would fall? If you'd been there, you'd have said, "Why march? Why toot? 'How shallow'." And perchance those walls would still be standing today. Come to think of it, Naaman would have died of his leprosy, too. "How shallow", indeed! Tis you who is shallow.
@lllannallll Naaman is a great example! I think that some of these people need to go read 2 Kings 5! This is one of the best examples in the entire Bible of having faith! It also discretely displays a case of the fact that it is Baptism saves. :)
@lesjakerables11 They need to read Thayer/Liddell and Scott and see that "faith" means "trust, have confidence in, conjoined with obedience, believe, comply." It's not that difficult, really. They'll take "trust" and "believe", and toss aside "comply".
@uwique My impression is that you are simply too ignorant to post a logical reply. So why don't you take a step to improve that impression and simply define a few words: faith (pistis) and church of Christ. Go right ahead! My prediction is that you can define neither.
@uwique "church of christ=cult,,,not bad huh?" Pretty horrible. Rom 16: 16, " ... the churches of Christ salute you." Transpose your ridiculous answer: "... the cults salute you." You think Paul said that? Not bad, huh? Try again. I discussed/debated some of the best, and you aren't even in the minor leagues. Anyway, you have access to Thayer's and Liddell and Scott, come on: give us the complete definition of pistis/pisteuo.
@uwique "Why don't you tell us exactly what one must do to be saved; that should keep you busy." <-- I asked that, and what did you reply? Why, you simply ASSERTED that you know! Thus, our evidence is your own MOUTH. You didn't answer, and yeah, I was wrong about that question keeping you busy. It obviously didn't. LMAO
@uwique "confess the lord jesus with thy mouth and thall shall be saved" That's not scripture, actually. That's PART of a scripture passage, and you totally disregarded the first part. (Rom 10: 9, 10) And how did you say the best, standard lexicons define "pistis/pisteuo/faith". You didn't. You need to go ahead and do that. Give us the complete definition.
@uwique ""Why don't you tell us exactly what one must do to be saved; that should keep you busy." <-- I asked that" Best I can tell, you half-quoted one passage, and you only mentioned "repentance" then added "confession." Umm .. ok .. is that pretty much it? One repents of his sins and confesses faith in Christ? Sir, one can do that and not even believe in Christ. I said, "tell us exactly" - not hem-haw around.
@uwique "And how did you say the best, standard lexicons define "pistis/pisteuo/faith". You didn't. You need to go ahead and do that. Give us the complete definition." You want to get to the "basics" of Christianity. Well, that question is pretty basic, and yet you never answered it. C'mon. Thayer's and Liddell and Scott are both avb online.
@uwique "i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture" Certainly you're not - you can't. You aren't going to enter into ANY type of contest, pissing or otherwise, in which the ultimate authority is the Bible. I knew that to start with, dude, and what it means is: you want to give a few insults and ask a few questions (you don't answer any, do you?), then hit-and-run. Won't work here. Not with me.
@uwique "i dont know about your pists baloney,lol" Well, it's no crime to be ignorant, but it's criminal to remain so; therefore, look it up. "Pistis" is merely the Greek word for "faith", "trust", "compliance", but I think before you use the word, you might make an effort to ascertain the meaning. Try again. Look it up. I gave you the sources.
@uwique "i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture" <-- I like that one! You are trying to discuss WHAT the Bible teaches, and you have no more use for the Bible than you do for a Playboy. Your concept of discussing the scripture is to call it a "pissing contest." Please DON'T tell us with what group you are associated: you'll embarrass them.
@lllannallll gee!!i'm sorry for not wanting to beat a dead horse with you....,a man on his death bed asks god for forgiveness and repents of his sins,then dies minutes later without being baptised,,,,where does he spend eternity?
@uwique Oh, I will, believe me. According to you, the person repented (had a change of willpower) and had faith (trusted and complied), right? Well, IF he trusted, had confidence, believed, obeyed, complied, and repented - all right there on his proverbial deathbed - that's good. How do you know he did? And how, pray tell, did he "trust and obey" or "have confidence in and comply"? Pls be specific on that.
@lllannallll according to me?LOLdo you not think people havent repented and meant it on their deathbed??i guess we can go tit for tat on this all day too huh?LOLhow do u know the person who got baptised took that seriously?if you confess the lord jesus christ as savior and repent{which means to turn away from} of sin,u will be saved,,if that person on their deathbed,meant it in his heart,,do u think god would cast him out and not accept him?
@uwique "how do u know the person who got baptised took that seriously?" I don't, but then again, I was never fool enough to try to pronouce his eternal fate, either - nor ask such an impossibility of someone else. That's why God is the one who adds people to His church: He won't make any mistakes.
@lllannallll ok..if a guy sincerly repents on his deathbed and truly accepts jesus christ as his savior,and then dies 2 minutes later,,where does he go??
@uwique "if a guy sincerly repents on his deathbed and truly accepts jesus christ as his savior,and then dies 2 minutes later." He goes to heaven and you've just proved that one does not have to be baptized or confess Christ to be saved. Wait, saved without confessing Christ. You said a person had to confess Christ, didn't you? I promise you won't get anywhere, but take heart: you have succeeded in distracting the discussion away from your weak point, the Bible.
@lllannallll if a guy on his deathbed repents of his sin and confesses the lord jesus christ as savior and lord of his life,and then dies 2 mniutes later,,where does he spend eternity?
@uwique "if a guy on his deathbed repents of his sin and confesses the lord jesus christ as savior and lord of his life" Confesses to WHOM or WHAT? There's no one else there, because surely you wouldn't let the presence or absence of another person keep him out of heaven, would you. Just assume NO ONE ELSE IS THERE. Better yet, just assume he has a trach tube and can't talk at all.
@lllannallll ok..lets back up ok??what does a man need to do to inherit eternal life??what do u mean confesses to whom or what??Lol.cmon now!!confesses to christ,,who else?LOL
@uwique "he repents on his own,without someone leading him to christ,,now where does he go?" So he's laying there with a trach tube in, and the Bible says "with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." So he didn't confess Christ with his mouth, cuz he couldn't, and he couldn't be baptized cuz he couldn't. You tell me where this non-confessing, non-baptized person goes.
@lllannallll really??what if he can hear?..and you lead him to christ and he repents and beleives in his heart,,what if he says it in his headcuase he cant speak?..whats god gonna say to him..sorry pal,,i'm gonna send you to hell cause you coudnt speak with your mouth..lol
@uwique "my weak point?lol..u mean your weak doctrine" LOL, I'd say anyone, myself included, who can make no better defense that running FROM the Bible, running FROM a lexicon, and running TO a hospital bed or hot air balloon or foxhole is submitting prima facie evidence of a weak position. Best you can do is offer some hypothetical situation and ask people to assume the role of God?
@uwique "your just not getting this are you?LOL" Umm ... I'm not sure. Is this a joke? I've actually met a few people who couldn't discuss the Bible, so they make a trip to the hospital or foxhole to learn the plan of salvation. They find it suits them better. And you NEVER get them to go to the Bible, either. But this is so absurd and ridiculous, I'm inclined to thinks this is a joke.
@uwique "how am i not using the bible?i'm talking about repentance and salvation," Alright. You wanna try the Bible. Try Acts 22: 16: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " Explain it. It seems that, as per you, a candidate for baptism should HAVE NO SINS to wash away. Floor is yours. You want the Bible - you'll get it.
@uwique "how am i not using the bible?i'm talking about repentance and salvation," Alright. You wanna try the Bible. Try Acts 22: 16: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " Explain it. It seems that, as per you, a candidate for baptism should HAVE NO SINS to wash away. Floor is yours. You want the Bible - you'll get it. Ok, use the Bible.
@lllannallll i asked u somthing simple,,how am i running from the bible?,,so what your saying is,the repentANCE on the deathbed is not good enough?the guy maybe as good as dead huh?
@uwique "i asked u somthing simple,,how am i running from the bible?" Ya think maybe cuz the Bible says, "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " but you've discovered a way around that. MAKE UP a man who can't GET UP! LOL. Just invent a situation where the dude CANNOT "arise and be baptized", and you'll say, "Well, ok, repent and wash away thy sins." Is this a joke or what? It's silly.
@uwique "oh ok,,so people never repented on their death bed right?" Of course they have - both saved and unsaved people have. So? The fact that they DO it does not necessarily mean they are saved or lost. I have no idea how God will handle such cases and never pretended to. I know alot more about how He handles people who COULD confess or COULD be baptized, yet refused, or taught others that confession of Christ and baptism were unnecessary.
@uwique "i guess we can go tit for tat on this all day too huh?LOL" Certainly. That's why these emotional trips from the home to the nursing home to the hospital to the ICU to the morgue and to the grave are pretty much worthless. Twas you who tried it: I knew better. I never pronouce judgement on anyone unless they just stand up and say/imply, "I simply won't do what God said."
@uwique "LOL do you not think people havent repented and meant it on their deathbed?" And your logic runs thus: "Well, the person wanted to be baptized, but COULD NOT BE, so he was saved without baptism, so I'll run around telling people they OBVIOUSLY do not have to be baptized cuz so-and-so was saved without it in the hospital bed." A more illogical, irrational line of thought could hardly be imagined.
@uwique "obviously you cant answer in that circumstance can u?,,yeah,,he couldnt be baptised,,CUASE HE DIED" Well, at least you don't deny that ridiculous conclusion. He didn't confess any faith in Christ, either. NOW where did he go? Tell me, and be sure to answer "yes" or "no": is your entire ... umm .. logic on the subject that a man WANTED to be baptized, but COULD NOT - no opportunity -so you simply conclude that baptism is NOT NECESSARY even when plenty of opportunity exists?
@uwique "how much more specific u want me to be?" I'll tell you how much, so get it good: every reputable Greek lexicon INCLUDES obedience/compliance in the definition of faith. I'd like to know if YOU do. In other words, does John 3: 16 mean "whosoever (trusts in, complies with, has confidence in, is obedient to) Jesus Christ .... " Is that what it means?
@lllannallll you asked how do i know he did??what if a bro in christ was there and led him to salvation??..but who knows,,if he meant it,he gets eternal life,,if he didnt,he gets eternal hell??,,,comprendo?
@uwique "if he meant it,he gets eternal life,,if he didnt,he gets eternal hell??,,,comprendo?" LMAO! You want to try to pass eternal judgement on the poor guy, and you qualify it with "ifs"? Well, of course, that's all you can do - that's all anyone can do. So you're right back where you started: you went in a circle, and you don't really KNOW anything about his eternal destiny. No one else does either. That's the trouble with these heart-wrenching, emotion-bending hypotheticals.
@uwique Now you answer, since I asked first. DEFINE FAITH. Furthermore, does the Greek word, inherently include compliance and obedience? You haven't done it yet, and I know why.
@uwique "faith is beleiving in what u hoped for,and is certain of what we do not see." Take note: your definition, intentionally or not, totally leaves out obedience and compliance, doesn't it? I told you right where the problem is: you reject the plain, lexical meaning of the word. I've repeatedly asked you, and you never take a lexicon and give us the definition: you can't afford to.
@uwique "you have to be in compliance and live in obedience to god,,if done so,god will respond to your faith" You are trying to somehow take "compliance" and "obedience" out of "faith", and claim that one has "faith" first, then "obedience" afterwards. That won't work. Faith - Biblical saving faith - INCLUDES obedience. Look at your wording: "you have to be in compliance and live in obedience to god,,if done so,god will respond to your trust, compliance, and obedience."
@uwique .... and you sound kinda like a washed-up Baptist down in the floor doing the alligator, trying to avoid the simplest of questions, but what of it? Doesn't matter; you still have the question concerning the definition of pistis/faith from our best Greek-English lexicons. And ya still haven't answered it.
@lllannallll i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture,,but i'll ask u this ,a man on his death bed asks god for forgiveness and repents of his sins,then dies minutes later without being baptised,,,,where does he spend eternity?
@uwique "i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture" Certainly you're not - you can't. You aren't going to enter into ANY type of contest, pissing or otherwise, in which the ultimate authority is the Bible. I knew that to start with, dude, and what it means is: you want to give a few insults and ask a few questions (you don't answer any, do you?), then hit-and-run. Won't work here. Not with me.
@uwique "i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture" Certainly you're not - you can't. You aren't going to enter into ANY type of contest, pissing or otherwise, in which the ultimate authority is the Bible. I knew that to start with, dude, and what it means is: you want to give a few insults and ask a few questions (you don't answer any, do you?), then hit-and-run. Won't work here. Not with me.
@uwique "i dont know about your pists baloney,lol" Well, it's no crime to be ignorant, but it's criminal to remain so; therefore, look it up. "Pistis" is merely the Greek word for "faith", "trust", "compliance", but I think before you use the word, you might make an effort to ascertain the meaning. Try again. Look it up. I gave you the sources.
@uwique "i dont know about your pists baloney,lol" Well, it's no crime to be ignorant, but it's criminal to remain so; therefore, look it up. "Pistis" is merely the Greek word for "faith", "trust", "compliance", but I think before you use the word, you might make an effort to ascertain the meaning. Try again. Look it up. I gave you the sources.
@uwique "i dont know about your pists baloney,lol" Well, it's no crime to be ignorant, but it's criminal to remain so; therefore, look it up. "Pistis" is merely the Greek word for "faith", "trust", "compliance", but I think before you use the word, you might make an effort to ascertain the meaning. Try again. Look it up. I gave you the sources.
@lllannallll i'm a born again christian....,a man on his death bed asks god for forgiveness and repents of his sins,then dies minutes later without being baptised,,,,where does he spend eternity?
@uwique "are u the only true church??LOL" I'm not a "church", period. Hear it: ANY group of penitent confessing immersed believers IS the church. There is ONE church; one is ADDED to it by God; it consists of the SAVED. It has distinctive marks. You can spot it. Of course, you wouldn't be too worried about that - it involves the scripture. You never joined the Lord's church - nor did I - you can't.
COC=theo babble.
uwique 1 month ago
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@uwique "COC=theo babble." Holy Rollers = unintelligible jibberish
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GOD said in the ten commandments,"Thou shall have no other gods before me".
If people think water will save them, that the same as putting a physical god(water) before GOD!
Think about it.
JESUS DID IT ALL ON THE CROSS !! (IT IS FINISHED)
All we have to do is call on the name of Jesus Christ to be SAVED !!
IF you turn to Jesus Christ, you turn away from the ways of Satan !!
USAFreedomReform 1 month ago
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GOD said all the way back in the very beginning of the old law,"Thou shall not have any other gods before me".
If people think water will save them,isn't that the same as putting a physical god(water) before GOD?
Think about it.
JESUS DID IT ALL ON THE CROSS !! All we have to do is believe on the name of Jesus Christ to be SAVED !!
USAFreedomReform 1 month ago
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USAFreedomReform 2 months ago
good nite.
uwique 2 months ago
if you beleive in your heart your JUSTIFIED..you know what it means to be justified?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "if you beleive in your heart your JUSTIFIED" Oh blah. Belief is faith, and faith is belief. Faith includes obedience - it's not simply mental assent. Bedtime for me.
lllannallll 2 months ago
let me ask u this...how does your church leAD people to christ?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "how does your church leAD people to christ?" By preaching/teaching the word in, hopefully, a logical, rational, intelligent manner.
lllannallll 2 months ago
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@lllannallll "By preaching/teaching the word in, hopefully, a logical, rational, intelligent manner"
Sadducees: They were the religious rationalists of the time.
Remember me post this on anoth seg. of this video series. I said you were a religious rationalists and you denied it, but here,you say you preach/teach in a rational way.
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE ?? I say "SIR" , you just like to argue and support the ways of the spirit of the church of anti-christ !
USAFreedomReform 1 month ago
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@lllannallll The "church of anti-christ" ARE THE MODERN DAY SADDUCEES !!
USAFreedomReform 1 month ago
i never denied obedience,,thats part of faith.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "i never denied obedience,,thats part of faith." Then what in the world do you do? You'll turn right around and say, "Baptism isn't any part of faith ... somehow saved by faith, which includes compliance, but without baptism, which is a part of compliance." Good grief. I think you see the problem.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll the bible says by grace you are saved thru faith in christ jesus,,not being dunked.this is where you and i disagree,,baptism isnt any part of being saved,,its confessing christ as savior,,not being dunked under water.
uwique 2 months ago
i asked you before,,according to scripture,,how does a man inherit eternal life?
uwique 2 months ago
i asked you before,,whats the plan of salvation?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique I guess we can move on to Acts 2: 38. That's a common verse - one that's very familiar. Can ya explain THAT in a way that fits your beliefs? Or does Acts 2: 38 have the same fate as Acts 22: 16?
lllannallll 2 months ago
i dont know i read acts,,are you basing that scripture on how to inherit eternal life?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique Look it up and explain it. You need a link? Why in the world would Paul need to "be baptized and wash away his sins." Shouldn't they have ALREADY been washed away, if you are correct?
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll the bible says,if you repent and confess with your mouth jesus is lord,you will be saved....,,if your saved,,your sins are already washed away.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "your sins are already washed away." Paul's weren't, were they? "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " You haven't even pretended to explain it. You can't.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll your right i cant,,just like you cant explain the guy on the deathbed can u?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique 'i dont know enough about act 22 16" AMEN! You don't. Can't argue with that one. You know more about ICU wards and foxholes. Well, then READ Acts 22: 16, then you'll "know enough about it".
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll you still cant explain the deathbed scenario can ya?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "you still cant explain the deathbed scenario can you?" You know why? Because I'm not the JUDGE. You actually want me to "pass sentence" on someone. Well, you aren't qualified to do it, either. THAT is why the question is nonsense to start with. All such emotional appeals are.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll well i just explained what the person did on his/her deatbed didnt i?he confessed the lord as his savior and repented,,so if a person does that,he has etrnal life??havent yu read that before?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique 'i beleived i explained the deatbed scenario" Yeah, and IF the guy is saved, he's saved on the grounds of lack opportunity by the mercy of a righteous judge who knows his heart. If he's lost, he's lost due to lack of faith - lack of trust and compliance - due to spurning missed opportunities. God will take care of that - I'll be ok either way. However, you can't explain Acts 22: 16, and you won't explain Acts 2: 38 either.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll he saved on the grounds of repentance,,,,i'm giving u a scenario,,if he repents and confesses christ as savior,,and then dies a few minutes later,,he will goto heaven.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "i'm giving u a scenario,,if he repents and confesses christ as savior,,and then dies a few minutes later,,he will goto heaven." Fine. That's your assertion. When God appoints you judge, you can send him to heaven with all his sins yet unforgiven. That's the position you take. I said explain Acts 2: 38.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll my assertion?LOL..thats scripture pal..i didnt write that..you obviously dont know wha the bible says either then huh?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "a person is saved by repentance and confession,,does not your bible say that?" Nope, and yours doesn't either. Give the verse. So you are here discussing this, and you know NOTHING about Acts, and you're too lazy to look it up. LOL. I told you that you are better in the ICU ward.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll i did read acts,,i told you i dont know,,maybe u didnt read my reply on that..read romans 10v 9
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique 'LOL..thats scripture pal" LMAO. No, it's not, tard, and you can't even give the verse. That's sad.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique Anyway, on to Acts 2: 37, 38 - if you don't know anything about that one EITHER, just say so. If you thing you can twist it to fit your beliefs, have at it. Lord, I dont' want to have to ask 10 times only to discover that you're ignorant.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll your right,, i dont know enough about aCTS,,just like yu cant explain the death bed scenario,,a person is saved by repentance and confession,,does not your bible say that?
uwique 2 months ago
i'm telling you,,the person on the deatbed repented of his sins,confessed jesus christ as lord and savior,,and then died 3 minutes later,your telling me what he did wasnt good enough cuase he wasnt baptised right?..your telling me that baptism is included in the plan of salvation right?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "your telling me what he did wasnt good enough cuase he wasnt baptised right?" I'm telling you that I've asked you FIVE TIMES about Acts 22: 16. #1 .. Arise, #2 be baptized, #3 wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Easy enough. Explain it. Explain why it's not #1 wash away thy sins, #2 calling on His name, #3 Arise, and #4 be baptized. Five times, I've asked .. five times you thought it best not to answer.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll your telling me what he did wasnt good enough cuase he wasnt baptised right?"
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique I'm telling YOU that the absolute, dead-level best that you've done with Acts 22: 16, "Arise, be baptized, wash away they sins" is to MAKE UP some situation in which the person CAN'T GET UP. LMAO. Then base an entire, universal doctrine on the moribund state of someone. Tell us all about Acts 22: 16.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll you act as if no one gave their life to christ just before they died..lol..what do u live under a rock?LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "ok have faith in jesus christ by being obedient and compliant to his word." Well, no ... having faith by TRUSTING, by HAVING CONFIDENCE, by BELIEVING, by COMPLYING, by OBEDIENCE. That's faith. That's faith as per the dictionaries and Biblical usage, at least in most places.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique Explain Acts 22: 16. Can't be that hard.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll i wouldnt base it on it if there werent scenarios like that.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique See why I said you won't discuss a Bible verse? I gave you Acts 22: 16. You have no intention of discussing it - you prefer ICU wards to the Bible. That's why I wondered if this is a joke.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll why would u think this is a joke??what have i done that u would think that?
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique Ok, have it your way. Assume people in ICU wards are exceptions. Paul wasnt IN any hospital though, and neither are you. So Acts 22: 16 applies to us. Discuss it. Explain it in ANY way that'll fit your doctrine. OH, go ahead.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique Ok, have it your way. Assume people in ICU wards are exceptions. Paul was IN any hospital though, and neither are you. So Acts 22: 16 applies to us. Discuss it. Explain it in ANY way that'll fit your doctrine.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll well..ok..but i not talking about me or paul,,what do u mean have it my way?LOL,,your telling me that a person can be doomed for hell even if he repents and accepts christ as his savior,all cuase he didnt get baptised,,,do u not see anything wrong with this?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "do u not see anything wrong with this?" The main thing I see wrong is that you basically do not say JACK about Acts 22: 16 cuz you have nothing to say. You happily returned my request for an explanation by ... umm ... asking another question. Won't work. Get busy and explain it. Why was Paul told to be baptized and wash away his sins AFTER he repented. Why weren't his sins ALREADY forgiven?
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll i dont know enough about act 22 16,,but you havent explained the plan of salvation either.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "do u think i havent been biblical at all??LOL" Blah. I THINK you haven't explained Acts 22: 16, period. You haven't even tried. You were better in the ICU ward. I've asked about 10 times, and so far, you've said three naughts, two ciphers, and a zero. No explanation at all. Why does your belief contradict the conversion of Paul?
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannalll..i dont know,,i just told you,maybe i dont know enough..but then again,,you still cant explain the deathbed scenario can you?LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "just like you cant explain the guy on the deathbed can u?" Nor can you. So we're even on that one. But I CAN explain Acts 22: 16, and you can't do that either. It's very easy. "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling upon the name of the Lord." And yet YOU can't explain it? Why? Seems easy enough.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll i beleived i explained the deatbed scenario,,i told you the guy repented of his sins and confessed jesus christ as lord,,but you dont think thats good enough even though thats what the bible says to do,,since he cant be baptised,,your baptism overrules a conffession of repentance,,,silly i say.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "i beleived i explained the deatbed scenario" Sorta. Did the person on the deathbed STILL HAVE HIS SINS TO BE WASHED AWAY? Did he "Arise, be baptized, and wash away his sins" like Paul did? Further, explain why this deathbed dude got his sins forgiven, maybe, BEFORE baptism - yet ole Paul had to wait around. This oughta be good.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll no..he wasnt baptised but he confessed jesus as savior,,do u know the scripture in the bible where it says cofessing christ as savior and u will be saved?,your telling me the person goes to hell just cuase he wasnt dunked under water then right?
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique IF the guy is saved, he's saved on the grounds of lack opportunity by the mercy of a righteous judge who knows his heart. If he's lost, he's lost due to lack of faith - lack of trust and compliance - due to spurning missed opportunities. God will take care of that
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "your telling me the person goes to hell just cuase he wasnt dunked under water then right?" IF the guy is saved, he's saved on the grounds of lack opportunity by the mercy of a righteous judge who knows his heart. If he's lost, he's lost due to lack of faith - lack of trust and compliance - due to spurning missed opportunities. God will take care of that - I'll be ok either way. I've answered that silly hypothetical tale 10 times.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll he saved by grace thru faith,,and confessing christ as savior,,what part of this dont yu understand?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique 'he saved by grace thru faith,,and confessing christ as savior,,what part of this dont yu understand?" I do not understand how you can say "grace through faith" on the one hand, then DENY that "faith" includes "obedience" (which includes confession and baptism) on the other. I told you that you'd deny even a DICTIONARY, and you do.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "what part of this dont yu understand?" The part that causes a fella to take plain passages like Acts 22: 16 and Acts 2: 38, and cry, "I don't know anything about Acts" and move right on. Heck, learn something about Acts and come back.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll really??learn romans 10v9 and u come back k?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique And "believeth" in Rom 10 is "faith", and "faith" is "trust, compliance, confidence, obedience." Faith, in that sense, INCLUDES both repentance and baptism. That's easy. Use a dictionary.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll no ones arguing that,,i agree with you,,bottom line is,your including baptism in the salvation process.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "bottom line is,your including baptism in the salvation process." Absolutely, if possible. If impossible, then that might be different. Salvation is "by faith" ... "faith" includes "obedience" ... and "confession of faith and baptism are the two of the first acts of obedience." That's correct.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "i never denied obedience,,thats part of faith." No, not overtly. You undermine it, though. You'll say salvation by faith includes obedience, but does not include baptism. And you sure can't prove that one. That's why you can't explain Acts 22: 16.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll doesnt romans 10v9 prove that?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique Rom 10: 9, 10 mentions faith and confession as necessary. It does not mention repentance or baptism, although both are included under "faith." It would be strange for one to include repentance and exclude baptism.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll your right,,i cant explain acts,,maybe i can get someone who can
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "faith in christ jesus,,not being dunked." You said obedience is INCLUDED in faith, didn't you? Well, repentance, confession, and baptism ARE obedience, aren't they. Yet you claim TWO of them are ESSENTIAL, and one IS NOT. And you have to just assert it - can't prove it.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll obedience in the sense of living right and doing gods word..like living right.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "obedience in the sense of living right and doing gods word..like living right." Nope, that follows Biblical faith.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll i have not said this is my doctrine,,do u think i havent been biblical at all??LOL
uwique 2 months ago
how does a person inherit etrnal life?
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique "so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?" Certainly, have FAITH! Now try Acts 22: 16 <-- 4th time I've asked. You wanted the Bible. There ya are.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "Certainly, have FAITH!" <-- by the way, take a lexicon and define "faith." I'll await your definition. Amazing that you can't even take a DICTIONARY and use it. Well, you can - you won't.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll ok have faith in jesus christ by being obedient and compliant to his word.
uwique 2 months ago
so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?" Certainly, have FAITH! Now try Acts 22: 16 <-- 4th time I've asked. You wanted the Bible. There ya are.
lllannallll 2 months ago
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@uwique "so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?" Certainly, have FAITH! Now try Acts 22: 16 <-- 4th time I've asked. You wanted the Bible. There ya are.
lllannallll 2 months ago
nevewr said he had no ability to obey
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique "how am i not using the bible?i'm talking about repentance and salvation," Alright. You wanna try the Bible. Try Acts 22: 16: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " Explain it. It seems that, as per you, a candidate for baptism should HAVE NO SINS to wash away. Floor is yours. You want the Bible - you'll get it. Ok, use the Bible. <-- asked 3 times now
lllannallll 2 months ago
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@uwique "so you mean you have no idea how to inherit eternal life right?" Certainly, have FAITH! Now try Acts 22: 16 <-- 4th time I've asked. You wanted the Bible. There ya are.
lllannallll 2 months ago
gosh!1i guess if a member of the church of christ visits a guy on his dearthbed,,he would probably tell him hes going to hell,,theres no hope for you,,you cant be saved cuase you cant be baptised,,ohhh boy!!LOL
uwique 2 months ago
baptism is not necessary for salvation.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "i guess according to your doctrine a person on their deathbed is already eternally doomed huh?" MY doctrine - my belief - is that I have no idea what God does in individual cases. I suppose His decision might have to do with previous opportunity or lack thereof. I've never sought to pronounce judgement on anyone who had NO ABILITY to obey. Apparently you do.
lllannallll 2 months ago
i guess according to your doctrine a person on their deathbed is already eternally doomed huh?
uwique 2 months ago
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GOD said all the way back in the very beginning of the old law,"Thou shall not have any other gods before me".
If people think water will save them,isn't that the same as putting a god(water) before GOD?
Think about it.
USAFreedomReform 2 months ago
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@USAFreedomReform ,a man on his death bed asks god for forgiveness and repents of his sins,then dies minutes later without being baptised,,,,where does he spend eternity?he still hasnt answered me on this question..lol
uwique 2 months ago
being dunked unde water for salvation??o my gosh!!LOL..how shallow!!LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique Marching around a city and tooting horns so a city would fall? If you'd been there, you'd have said, "Why march? Why toot? 'How shallow'." And perchance those walls would still be standing today. Come to think of it, Naaman would have died of his leprosy, too. "How shallow", indeed! Tis you who is shallow.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll Naaman is a great example! I think that some of these people need to go read 2 Kings 5! This is one of the best examples in the entire Bible of having faith! It also discretely displays a case of the fact that it is Baptism saves. :)
lesjakerables11 2 months ago
@lesjakerables11 They need to read Thayer/Liddell and Scott and see that "faith" means "trust, have confidence in, conjoined with obedience, believe, comply." It's not that difficult, really. They'll take "trust" and "believe", and toss aside "comply".
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll I agree completely!
lesjakerables11 2 months ago
@lllannallll tis you who is church of christ!!LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique My impression is that you are simply too ignorant to post a logical reply. So why don't you take a step to improve that impression and simply define a few words: faith (pistis) and church of Christ. Go right ahead! My prediction is that you can define neither.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll sure i can,,faith=being sure in what we hoped for,and is certain of what we do not see...church of christ=cult,,,not bad huh?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "church of christ=cult,,,not bad huh?" Pretty horrible. Rom 16: 16, " ... the churches of Christ salute you." Transpose your ridiculous answer: "... the cults salute you." You think Paul said that? Not bad, huh? Try again. I discussed/debated some of the best, and you aren't even in the minor leagues. Anyway, you have access to Thayer's and Liddell and Scott, come on: give us the complete definition of pistis/pisteuo.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "Why don't you tell us exactly what one must do to be saved; that should keep you busy." <-- I asked that, and what did you reply? Why, you simply ASSERTED that you know! Thus, our evidence is your own MOUTH. You didn't answer, and yeah, I was wrong about that question keeping you busy. It obviously didn't. LMAO
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll laughing your what off??LOL..cult!1..confess the lord jesus with thy mouth and thall shall be saved..do u not know this scripture?LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "confess the lord jesus with thy mouth and thall shall be saved" That's not scripture, actually. That's PART of a scripture passage, and you totally disregarded the first part. (Rom 10: 9, 10) And how did you say the best, standard lexicons define "pistis/pisteuo/faith". You didn't. You need to go ahead and do that. Give us the complete definition.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique ""Why don't you tell us exactly what one must do to be saved; that should keep you busy." <-- I asked that" Best I can tell, you half-quoted one passage, and you only mentioned "repentance" then added "confession." Umm .. ok .. is that pretty much it? One repents of his sins and confesses faith in Christ? Sir, one can do that and not even believe in Christ. I said, "tell us exactly" - not hem-haw around.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll well..before we get to the BASICS of christianity,,let me ask u this?,,do u beleive your church is the only 1 going to heaven?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique wait!!are u the only true church?LOL,,you sound like the mormons..lol
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "And how did you say the best, standard lexicons define "pistis/pisteuo/faith". You didn't. You need to go ahead and do that. Give us the complete definition." You want to get to the "basics" of Christianity. Well, that question is pretty basic, and yet you never answered it. C'mon. Thayer's and Liddell and Scott are both avb online.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll P.S...i'm not baptist.
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique "i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture" Certainly you're not - you can't. You aren't going to enter into ANY type of contest, pissing or otherwise, in which the ultimate authority is the Bible. I knew that to start with, dude, and what it means is: you want to give a few insults and ask a few questions (you don't answer any, do you?), then hit-and-run. Won't work here. Not with me.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "i dont know about your pists baloney,lol" Well, it's no crime to be ignorant, but it's criminal to remain so; therefore, look it up. "Pistis" is merely the Greek word for "faith", "trust", "compliance", but I think before you use the word, you might make an effort to ascertain the meaning. Try again. Look it up. I gave you the sources.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture" <-- I like that one! You are trying to discuss WHAT the Bible teaches, and you have no more use for the Bible than you do for a Playboy. Your concept of discussing the scripture is to call it a "pissing contest." Please DON'T tell us with what group you are associated: you'll embarrass them.
lllannallll 2 months ago
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@lllannallll gee!!i'm sorry for not wanting to beat a dead horse with you....,a man on his death bed asks god for forgiveness and repents of his sins,then dies minutes later without being baptised,,,,where does he spend eternity?
uwique 2 months ago
@lllannallll answer the question
uwique 2 months ago
@lllannallll i guess the guy on his deathbed went to hell cuase he wasnt dunked huh?LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique Oh, I will, believe me. According to you, the person repented (had a change of willpower) and had faith (trusted and complied), right? Well, IF he trusted, had confidence, believed, obeyed, complied, and repented - all right there on his proverbial deathbed - that's good. How do you know he did? And how, pray tell, did he "trust and obey" or "have confidence in and comply"? Pls be specific on that.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll according to me?LOLdo you not think people havent repented and meant it on their deathbed??i guess we can go tit for tat on this all day too huh?LOLhow do u know the person who got baptised took that seriously?if you confess the lord jesus christ as savior and repent{which means to turn away from} of sin,u will be saved,,if that person on their deathbed,meant it in his heart,,do u think god would cast him out and not accept him?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "how do u know the person who got baptised took that seriously?" I don't, but then again, I was never fool enough to try to pronouce his eternal fate, either - nor ask such an impossibility of someone else. That's why God is the one who adds people to His church: He won't make any mistakes.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll ok..if a guy sincerly repents on his deathbed and truly accepts jesus christ as his savior,and then dies 2 minutes later,,where does he go??
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "if a guy sincerly repents on his deathbed and truly accepts jesus christ as his savior,and then dies 2 minutes later." He goes to heaven and you've just proved that one does not have to be baptized or confess Christ to be saved. Wait, saved without confessing Christ. You said a person had to confess Christ, didn't you? I promise you won't get anywhere, but take heart: you have succeeded in distracting the discussion away from your weak point, the Bible.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll if a guy on his deathbed repents of his sin and confesses the lord jesus christ as savior and lord of his life,and then dies 2 mniutes later,,where does he spend eternity?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "if a guy on his deathbed repents of his sin and confesses the lord jesus christ as savior and lord of his life" Confesses to WHOM or WHAT? There's no one else there, because surely you wouldn't let the presence or absence of another person keep him out of heaven, would you. Just assume NO ONE ELSE IS THERE. Better yet, just assume he has a trach tube and can't talk at all.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll ok..lets back up ok??what does a man need to do to inherit eternal life??what do u mean confesses to whom or what??Lol.cmon now!!confesses to christ,,who else?LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@lllannallll ok..no one else is there..he repents on his own,without someone leading him to christ,,now where does he go?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "he repents on his own,without someone leading him to christ,,now where does he go?" So he's laying there with a trach tube in, and the Bible says "with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." So he didn't confess Christ with his mouth, cuz he couldn't, and he couldn't be baptized cuz he couldn't. You tell me where this non-confessing, non-baptized person goes.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll really??what if he can hear?..and you lead him to christ and he repents and beleives in his heart,,what if he says it in his headcuase he cant speak?..whats god gonna say to him..sorry pal,,i'm gonna send you to hell cause you coudnt speak with your mouth..lol
uwique 2 months ago
@lllannallll my weak point?lol..u mean your weak doctrine
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "my weak point?lol..u mean your weak doctrine" LOL, I'd say anyone, myself included, who can make no better defense that running FROM the Bible, running FROM a lexicon, and running TO a hospital bed or hot air balloon or foxhole is submitting prima facie evidence of a weak position. Best you can do is offer some hypothetical situation and ask people to assume the role of God?
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll your just not getting this are you?LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "your just not getting this are you?LOL" Umm ... I'm not sure. Is this a joke? I've actually met a few people who couldn't discuss the Bible, so they make a trip to the hospital or foxhole to learn the plan of salvation. They find it suits them better. And you NEVER get them to go to the Bible, either. But this is so absurd and ridiculous, I'm inclined to thinks this is a joke.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll how am i not using the bible?i'm talking about repentance and salvation,,are you kidding me?LOL
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "how am i not using the bible?i'm talking about repentance and salvation," Alright. You wanna try the Bible. Try Acts 22: 16: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " Explain it. It seems that, as per you, a candidate for baptism should HAVE NO SINS to wash away. Floor is yours. You want the Bible - you'll get it.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll tell me how i'm not using the bible?
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique "how am i not using the bible?i'm talking about repentance and salvation," Alright. You wanna try the Bible. Try Acts 22: 16: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " Explain it. It seems that, as per you, a candidate for baptism should HAVE NO SINS to wash away. Floor is yours. You want the Bible - you'll get it. Ok, use the Bible.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll i asked u somthing simple,,how am i running from the bible?,,so what your saying is,the repentANCE on the deathbed is not good enough?the guy maybe as good as dead huh?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "i asked u somthing simple,,how am i running from the bible?" Ya think maybe cuz the Bible says, "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins ... " but you've discovered a way around that. MAKE UP a man who can't GET UP! LOL. Just invent a situation where the dude CANNOT "arise and be baptized", and you'll say, "Well, ok, repent and wash away thy sins." Is this a joke or what? It's silly.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll oh ok,,so people never repented on their death bed right?its never happened right??ive asked you a question,,you couldnt answer it
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique "oh ok,,so people never repented on their death bed right?" Of course they have - both saved and unsaved people have. So? The fact that they DO it does not necessarily mean they are saved or lost. I have no idea how God will handle such cases and never pretended to. I know alot more about how He handles people who COULD confess or COULD be baptized, yet refused, or taught others that confession of Christ and baptism were unnecessary.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "i guess we can go tit for tat on this all day too huh?LOL" Certainly. That's why these emotional trips from the home to the nursing home to the hospital to the ICU to the morgue and to the grave are pretty much worthless. Twas you who tried it: I knew better. I never pronouce judgement on anyone unless they just stand up and say/imply, "I simply won't do what God said."
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "LOL do you not think people havent repented and meant it on their deathbed?" And your logic runs thus: "Well, the person wanted to be baptized, but COULD NOT BE, so he was saved without baptism, so I'll run around telling people they OBVIOUSLY do not have to be baptized cuz so-and-so was saved without it in the hospital bed." A more illogical, irrational line of thought could hardly be imagined.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll my logic?LOL..obviously you cant answer in that circumstance can u?,,yeah,,he couldnt be baptised,,CUASE HE DIED!lol,,where did he go?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "obviously you cant answer in that circumstance can u?,,yeah,,he couldnt be baptised,,CUASE HE DIED" Well, at least you don't deny that ridiculous conclusion. He didn't confess any faith in Christ, either. NOW where did he go? Tell me, and be sure to answer "yes" or "no": is your entire ... umm .. logic on the subject that a man WANTED to be baptized, but COULD NOT - no opportunity -so you simply conclude that baptism is NOT NECESSARY even when plenty of opportunity exists?
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll how much more specific u want me to be?do u not know what repentance means?LOl
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "how much more specific u want me to be?" I'll tell you how much, so get it good: every reputable Greek lexicon INCLUDES obedience/compliance in the definition of faith. I'd like to know if YOU do. In other words, does John 3: 16 mean "whosoever (trusts in, complies with, has confidence in, is obedient to) Jesus Christ .... " Is that what it means?
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll ok..lets back up a little bit,,according to scripture,,what does a man need to do to inherit eternal life?
uwique 2 months ago
@lllannallll you asked how do i know he did??what if a bro in christ was there and led him to salvation??..but who knows,,if he meant it,he gets eternal life,,if he didnt,he gets eternal hell??,,,comprendo?
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique "if he meant it,he gets eternal life,,if he didnt,he gets eternal hell??,,,comprendo?" LMAO! You want to try to pass eternal judgement on the poor guy, and you qualify it with "ifs"? Well, of course, that's all you can do - that's all anyone can do. So you're right back where you started: you went in a circle, and you don't really KNOW anything about his eternal destiny. No one else does either. That's the trouble with these heart-wrenching, emotion-bending hypotheticals.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique Now you answer, since I asked first. DEFINE FAITH. Furthermore, does the Greek word, inherently include compliance and obedience? You haven't done it yet, and I know why.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll i thought i did this already for you,faith is beleiving in what u hoped for,and is certain of what we do not see.
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "faith is beleiving in what u hoped for,and is certain of what we do not see." Take note: your definition, intentionally or not, totally leaves out obedience and compliance, doesn't it? I told you right where the problem is: you reject the plain, lexical meaning of the word. I've repeatedly asked you, and you never take a lexicon and give us the definition: you can't afford to.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll ok fine..obedience and compliance..fine,,thats part of faith..lets get back to the guy on the deathbed,,where is he going if he repents?
uwique 2 months ago
@lllannallll of course,,you have to be in compliance and live in obedience to god,,if done so,god will respond to your faith in him.
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique "you have to be in compliance and live in obedience to god,,if done so,god will respond to your faith" You are trying to somehow take "compliance" and "obedience" out of "faith", and claim that one has "faith" first, then "obedience" afterwards. That won't work. Faith - Biblical saving faith - INCLUDES obedience. Look at your wording: "you have to be in compliance and live in obedience to god,,if done so,god will respond to your trust, compliance, and obedience."
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique .... and you sound kinda like a washed-up Baptist down in the floor doing the alligator, trying to avoid the simplest of questions, but what of it? Doesn't matter; you still have the question concerning the definition of pistis/faith from our best Greek-English lexicons. And ya still haven't answered it.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll baptist??you wanna try again ?LOL,,i dont know about your pists baloney,lol
uwique 2 months ago
@lllannallll i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture,,but i'll ask u this ,a man on his death bed asks god for forgiveness and repents of his sins,then dies minutes later without being baptised,,,,where does he spend eternity?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture" Certainly you're not - you can't. You aren't going to enter into ANY type of contest, pissing or otherwise, in which the ultimate authority is the Bible. I knew that to start with, dude, and what it means is: you want to give a few insults and ask a few questions (you don't answer any, do you?), then hit-and-run. Won't work here. Not with me.
lllannallll 2 months ago
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@uwique "i'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with u over scripture" Certainly you're not - you can't. You aren't going to enter into ANY type of contest, pissing or otherwise, in which the ultimate authority is the Bible. I knew that to start with, dude, and what it means is: you want to give a few insults and ask a few questions (you don't answer any, do you?), then hit-and-run. Won't work here. Not with me.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@lllannallll are u the only true church??LOL
uwique 2 months ago
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@uwique "i dont know about your pists baloney,lol" Well, it's no crime to be ignorant, but it's criminal to remain so; therefore, look it up. "Pistis" is merely the Greek word for "faith", "trust", "compliance", but I think before you use the word, you might make an effort to ascertain the meaning. Try again. Look it up. I gave you the sources.
lllannallll 2 months ago
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@uwique "i dont know about your pists baloney,lol" Well, it's no crime to be ignorant, but it's criminal to remain so; therefore, look it up. "Pistis" is merely the Greek word for "faith", "trust", "compliance", but I think before you use the word, you might make an effort to ascertain the meaning. Try again. Look it up. I gave you the sources.
lllannallll 2 months ago
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@uwique "i dont know about your pists baloney,lol" Well, it's no crime to be ignorant, but it's criminal to remain so; therefore, look it up. "Pistis" is merely the Greek word for "faith", "trust", "compliance", but I think before you use the word, you might make an effort to ascertain the meaning. Try again. Look it up. I gave you the sources.
lllannallll 2 months ago
@uwique "P.S...i'm not baptist." P.S.S. I didn't say you were. You haven't said WHAT you are, and I doubt you will.
lllannallll 2 months ago
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@lllannallll i'm a born again christian....,a man on his death bed asks god for forgiveness and repents of his sins,then dies minutes later without being baptised,,,,where does he spend eternity?
uwique 2 months ago
@uwique "are u the only true church??LOL" I'm not a "church", period. Hear it: ANY group of penitent confessing immersed believers IS the church. There is ONE church; one is ADDED to it by God; it consists of the SAVED. It has distinctive marks. You can spot it. Of course, you wouldn't be too worried about that - it involves the scripture. You never joined the Lord's church - nor did I - you can't.
lllannallll 2 months ago