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  • what the hell has it got to do with progressive islam????

    ....(pbm(dot)org(dort)uk)

  • Hey, uh...Tom...NONE of those organizations represent Progressive Islam. Most of those organizations are Arab - funded. Arabs make up about 15% of all Muslims. Nice selective choices. Out of a billion people on Earth, you don't think you're going to find some anti-Jews? Sure you are. For your information, I am a Progressive Muslim (yes, practicing) of Jewish heritage and I have Jewish and Christian family members (among other faiths). I have no hatred toward any faith or people. Get real.

  • this is bullshit and most of the people who have commented before are insane or extremely racist. Many Islamist/jihadic people are equally insane. I hate you all. Get off the planet before you fucking destroy it. Cunts.

  • cheesy music

  • bulshit ...

  • Watch out! We muslamics are gonna take over the world!

  • world most famos "palestinian" ARAFAT =born in egypt !

    his tribe "AL QUDWA" =from syria !

    jews to judea !

    arabs back to saudi arabia !

    go drink some camel urine like muhamad told you to !

  • @MrJapaneseboy1111

    Why don't you back to Khazaria?

  • The world is fighting two major diseases today, and both are spread through sex.

    One is AIDS and the other is islam.

    Of the two, islam is by far the most dangerous, because although AIDS kills many victims,

    when someone catches islam, they become zombies - brain dead but still walking.

    You can combat AIDS with medication, but the only answer to the disease of islam is to stone it to death.

    Never let it into your country because it will infect your family and friends.

  • Let me tell you what progress in islam means.

    Muslims are born, and they progress from learning how to kill, to killing themselves and us.

    The bit in between, like bending to their fantasy god is irrelevant.

    Islam is a political stance that holds death as its pinnacle.

    It is the very breath of Satan.

    We have been well warned.

  • Who didn't like this video? Must be Muslims or people who are afraid of learning what is happening in our world.

    Great job Tom and Mark. Thanks for "connecting the dots". Sometimes it's easier to understand by seeing things graphically represented.

    Reading the Team B Report got to be a blur of names I couldn't track, but your video really pulled it together for me.

    Plus I didn't realize the MB went back so far.

  • Thanks once again for the truth!

  • I don't want those bearded queers in my country!

  • @AmericanMale1953 in fact they kill queers

  • the jews they created mohamed to kill christians in that time , and mohamed he was faster to attack jews before they attack him because he knows thier intention and he added some items to the quran when he discribe them like a pigs and monkeys my friend i can say just take care of what you hear .all this religions is false

  • @secularity2010

    Are you a homosexual ?

  • all this problem from israel and islamic elements

  • Obama has Christians, believing he's Christian, Muslims, believing he's Muslim & Atheists, believing he's an Atheist.

    I still say, he's an Atheist posing as a Christian & Muslim at the same time.

  • So 99% of Muslims deserve to be inconvenienced because of the fould actions of 1%? Wow

  • @Keysteeze Gosh if is only, " 1% ", they must be very busy folks, LOL, ?

  • @adrianwainer Well there is a billion muslims in the world. 1% is actually probably an overestimation, since that would mean that there are ten million terrorist. That sounds like a lot. Even if there are ten million terrorist (1%), You should not lump them together with the other 990,000,000 million non-terrorist.

  • All the following in this video is very true, the whole point of 9/11 was made for a huge mosque to be build on ground zero as a Islamic conquest site. You may all want to see the videos i have in my page and it will really open your mind.

  • America, show some balls and stand up to islam

  • This is tacky propaganda and I can't stand to watch it because of its tackiness. Woo-woo music, nasty editing tricks and insinuation. If you can't make a case without these tricks why should anybody believe you really have a case to make? You are actually DAMAGING your cause using these manipulation techniques.

  • This is not a film, it is an edited, downloaded form of propaganda video...

    This is another form of hate in America...

  • lol good deviated propaganda, too bad its all over the place and incoherent, plus you're arguments for the overall conspiracy is not unique to Muslims applications, compared with Western "christian" ideologies imposing upon non-white sub ethnicities, you're Muslim fears pale in comparison to the other side of what has actually been continued dominance

  • Duh, This Video afraid of CAIR so much??? Funny. You had lot of thing to say about CAIR in this video, great at mocking, if they decided to make a video replies, it will be longer than 2 hours, Show the faces of Muslim and symbolizes them with Terror movement etc. lol, I'd say, why don't you compared yourself and your government?

  • I have gotten no answer from anyone on the left as to how they rectify the blatant double standard; They are supposed to be for womens rights; yet they are defending and even promoting Islam, the system that is 2nd to none when it comes to oppressing women and treating them like property.

  • @jasonla85 I haven't had an explanation for it either. It seems like Islam appeals as a cause because it isn't something daddy likes, and for many on the left that is more than enough.

  • That Ft. Lauderdale was a HUGE rally,thousands of crazies screaming. not just a "few protesters".

  • This has as much educational merit as an MTV video.

  • @Andybaby I disagree. It looks and sounds like an MTV video and it reeks of cheap shoddy propaganda tactics but you can't conclude that the message is necessarily wrong simply because you dislike the way it is packaged.

  • so much hate not 1 who fear Allah curse upon liars curse upon the way islam is treaded by falls figures and their followers may Allah curse those who show Allahs religeon as a evil religeon may Allah let those who lie about his truth see it and trembil in fear o people why do you speak about islam not knowing it is the truth from your lord may Allah curse and wrath be upon you

  • I have plans for street rioting trash muzzies ! hahaha

  • I wish I was there..I would choke that muslim trash dead!!!

  • HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH That was freakin hilarious, you people are scared shitless of people who are harmless and you mix the militant with the "progressive".

    Anyone who believes this propaganda is a ignorant jackass.

  • maybe you should make a vid like this about the christians too and we can rid the US of ALL religions and start living in a modern world.

  • Christians, well find christians doing mass murders... ... how about 500 christians just slaghtered by Muslims... how about not pushing your atheist B.S. and get an education.

  • @rmconst religions are great for killing other people... so what's your point?

  • how about a whole country of christians commiting genocide on innocent iraqis for oil? No one believes this propoganda but dumb rednecks who havent left waklulla county

  • 911, big mistake,Islam.You woke the sleeping giant. Now all real Americans are becoming more and more aware of you and your goals for us.We won't go quietly,we won't lay down and roll over to be enslaved by you. Hitler was an Occultist,he also had Muslim troops,in his army.

  • yet the nazis were christians u prick. You made a mistake when u invaded iraq illegally and now ur dumb ass troops are getting massacred by the brave iraqis!

  • Study the life of Jesus and the life of Mohammed.Which was preaching love and peace? Which was healing the sick and preaching love thy neighbor. Which raped little children? Which walked the land with just a walking stick.Which rode over the lands with a rapier and sword, slaughtering, raping, robbing and enslaving thousands?Which would behead anyone who dared disagree with him? Which never harmed a soul but prevented a woman from being stoned to death?

  • EXCELLENT TRUTH !!!

    Ghost

  • I wouldn't give it much concern. Islam will be fighting against the Zionist Jewish state for world control and by doing so maybe both sides will be eliminated in the process.

  • The God of Israel will side with Israel  from beginning to end.. :) beautiful !

  • Suzie, to be fair, there was some support for the Nazis among some in the Arab world, as there was among some Americans, some English, some Indians, some Irish... The problem with the way Mr. Florida Security Council thinks is that he lumps Muslims together as if they were monolithic. Classic bigotry.

  • For your information, muslims and hitler were not allied, if you get your info correct one of these days, you will realize that he was actually coming after the muslims next.

  • Suzie,, this info was vetted by FBI and several other intelligence analyts... so... I dont know where you get your info.... but maybe you should get it checked

  • sounds like something hitler would do as he betrayed Italy ..

  • Who let those people live on morther earth anyway?

  • Apparently I can't respond to your comment about the Gallup poll with an actual link to it. I invite people to Google it. It lends no support to this idiocy.

  • cf (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB): "They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with their hearts and souls; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

    Does this, or any of the other hateful crap to be found in the Bible, make all Jews and Christians murderous bigots or allies thereof? Of course not. Almost every sacred text has passages of tribalistic and ignorant nonsense.

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  • See the video "What a Billion Muslims Truly Think" to understand the mindset of most Muslims throughout the world. Research provided Gallup and the Pew research center. But I doubt you will listen to them either.

  • @ tumericus

    Your comment reminds me of that by those who tell us that Islam means peace. Islam means "submission" and because Moslems regard the Qur'an as inerrant (faultless), it cannot be changed. Their little manual of hatred exhorts its followers to commit jihad, to convert or kill non-Moslems, terrorise Jews, Christians and anyone else who disagrees with it and to lie and deceive if need be to achieve that goal. By tolerating Islam in its midst, the West is sleepwalking into a disaster.

  • Where does it say this you brainwashed fucking faggot?

    All you would be doing is reading the verses....Not the chapters

    Your just a paranoid american....If this guy in the video said Cows are terrorists because they produce methane, you would beleive it and kill as many cows as you could

    brainwashed sheep

  • @ tabreaz

    I'm not an American.

  • They cant sue for defamation... because it is not defamation if they are facts.... funny CAIR did not sue Gaubatz and son for libel or defamation... for book Muslim Mafia... just for breach of confidentiality... when they took 12000 pages of documents proving all alligations....not to mention the Holy land Foundation Trial. it is evidence and resulted in convictions on 108 counts. So... no obfuscating, or bigotry... we do not condemn all muslims... we exposed the truth to a specific group.

  • @tumericus There are none so blind as you who WILL NOT see.

  • @tumericus

    I've seen no evidence of "moderate muslims"

  • God bless USA! Stop the green Satan.

  • Yet another shinning analogous example of the info in the movie being 100% accurate and the kind of "Peace and Love" being spread throughout the world today by supporters of Hamas.

  • Nah,they do a better job of exterminating each other.

  • let me guess "uglymilk". this guy on the video is your stepfather and he rapes ur asshole till u bleed blood puree. FUCK YOU AND UR CHRISTIAN FUCKING FAMILY

  • 5 stars

  • Wake up America!!

  • Thank you for posting this video. Liberals ignore the fact that muslims and Hitler were allied. They ignore the fact that that Islam was the only religion Hitler admired.

  • And ignore their "official" military salute is of the Nazis and that the Hamas charter states, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

  • @jmarkcampbell

    Why is this? Don't they read history? Or do these facts just go in one ear and out the other? Is it because they have the same agenda as the Islamists?

  • Muslim Brotherhood = Hamas = CAIR = the Islamists. They're all the same thing. Sayid Qutb is widely known as the man who inspired bin Laden.

  • @jmarkcampbell And Bin Laden is the Former CIA, may be still a CIA that is a disgrace of Islam. They hate Hamas so much, show us how much destruction made by Hamas and compare that with Zionist Government did. You guys choose to go blind and very selective on what you want to believe. Classic.

  • Dumb-ass Americans to busy blaiming each other or anyone they can find, its not the Muslims who sold US out nor did they bankrupt it

  • I agree, financially you are correct. And we all are (the world) funding terrorism via oil and other means including FOX News who has as its second largest owner and a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas - Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal

  • done

  • To all muslims who say "Be Prepared for the Real Holocaust" YOU need to PREPARE for HELL.

  • The action #1 should be stopping Muslim immigration.

  • HAHA this is funny, anyone who wants to rule themselves is a supremacist I guess? People who thought Germany was for Germans, Italy for Italians, India for Indians, etc.

    What about the Jewish supremacists? Can you tell us about them? The ones who call themselves "God's chosen". The ones who not only want Palestine for Jews, but who also think Western countries should be flooded with the entire 3rd world.

  • We tend to not support those who Peace and Love initiative is an "Official Military Salute" of a Nazis and whose State charter mandates the following, "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it."

  • AMERICANS: You know who these people ARE! You KNOW their agenda. Why are you sitting around waiting for them to take over your country?

    Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

    READ THAT AGAIN.

    "Persecution" - insults, criticism - of muslims is WORSE THAT SLAUGHTER - butchery, savage murder - of non-muslims.

    DO YOU GET IT YET?

  • Soon Israel will attack Iran before it attacks Israel. We will owe Israel a HUGE debt for saving the world from muslims getting their filthy hands on nukes.

    Allowing muslims to have nukes is like allowing a baby to have a loaded gun.

  • Americans elected a President who was raised a muslim. Why are they now surprised at the promotion of islam in America? They can easily see the horrific problems islam causes everywhere it goes and yet they go ahead and elect a muslim as President!?

    (I know Obozo says he isn't a muslim, but we who know muslims well know that they LIE to promote islam; it's part of their "religion": TAQIYYA. Of COURSE Obastard would lie about being a muslim to hide his agenda.)

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  • @mvvish

    hahah =) lol yeah i´ m sure =)

    talking shit about peace and then you will kill muslims...

    yeah thats fit to such inhumane creatures like you=)

  • Obvioulsy posted by someone who is not a christian... because this violates all tenents of Christianity. It fits nicely with Isalm... but not Christianity.

    Not that Christians may not defend themselves... because they should., but the rant above is not of the same nature.

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  • You are absolutely correct, mvvish.

    The easiest way to "finish them" is to send all muslims - and I do mean ALL muslims, regardless of where they were born - to islamic shit pits, then stop all exports to them.

    Our problems with muslims would be OVER within a month or two.

  • @Brdstfff TRUE. Been saying that the whole time.. We do not have to lose our humanity to defeat Islam. They are overbreeding and remain perpetually dependent upon productive people on purpose. We will have major resource wars as the muslim birthrate explodes and naive westerners scramble to feed and support them.

    If we just left islam to it's own resources and disallowed immigration from muslim shithole countries, Islam would collapse into insignificance, like Amish with an attitude.

  • We ought not to be supporting their over-production by inviting them here and putting them on our generous welfare plans so that they can breed without the inconvenience of having to support their own progeny.

    Their "breeding battle" on an already over-exploited planet is really perverse.

  • Excellent!!! It's the only way,let them BREED themselves out of existence. Without the US they ain't shit!!

  • mvvish.... I spend on average 40-60 hours a week fighting this problem... If you like this video... look at the credits... I helped make this video.

    We have done several... my point is your language and action are not representative of christianity. I am a christian, a former Marine, a warrior, and activist leader in the fight against radical or fundamental islam.

    The language and tact above hurts our cause by making us look like radicals and loons.

  • Our enemy gives us plenty of ammunition to use... so we do not have to resort to this language and tact.

    We can do it better by educating those around us and mobilizing with groups like Tom's The florida Secuity council and Act for America.

    I appreciate your passion and just think you can channel it in a more positive manner to bring those who are on the fence to our side.

    God Bless you and join the fight.

  • I know my language and action is strong but turning the other cheek in this battle sir is not going to win it. I am not a radical loon, but will not fight this battle with one hand if I have two to swing. I am in my 40's and there has not been a day of my life that has passed without hearing about some muslim LOON! or a freak like Yassar Arafat wishing death on or acting on killing the non-muslim population of the earth! I am tired of it plain and simple!

  • Dear sir I truly appreciate your work in this manner...BUT the two cannot co-exist in peace, it has proven fundimentally impossible.

  • I never said we could co-exist in peace... the doctrines of Islam are based on hate, lies, and killing.

    They absolutely can not exist in peace... I commend you for understanding that. That is not the message I conveyed.

  • Well then if they cannot co-exist in peace the only way to have peace is to not co-exist. Meaning one or the other has to prevail to have peace. Christianity is the only peaceful one of the two. It is just that simple... We must eliminate Islam all together.

  • mvvish> that may be the biggest problem for Christians, Peace & Love. We are taught to turn the other cheek, the meek will inhearit...ect. We need to get back to an old testement view of protection of our people and lands.A "peaceful Christianity " will not prevail against a violent, FAST growing population of people who name their sons Shaheed (or how ever they spell myrtar) and raise them to die in order to kill.

  • It is as simple as this. I am sure that at least 90 percent of Christians would act the same. I a large rattlesnake comes slithering into your house would you only pray that it does not bite you and your children? OR! would you chop off its head as quickly as possible to protect yourself and loved ones??ISLAM IS THAT RATTLESNAKE!!!!!! People need to wake up to this!

  • mvvish> THANK YOU... both for comments and info.

  • "i will be happy to shoot every muslim".... well what kinda christian are you? kkk- babtist. Ok let's say u want to shoot some terrorist ... but leave christianity out of it... your text just remind me of koran heads... what you just said people won't see much different from christianity and islam, And killing like mohammed did is the opposite of Jesus.

  • right on partner... lets rock Tally

  • This sounds like islamic bullshit. Using Christianity against Christians.

  • What is bullshit?  That jesus is opposite mohammed?

  • Well DUH!!!

    Jesus said, "I will die for your sins."

    mohammed said, "YOU will die for MY sins."

    Opposite. Absolutely.

  • you weren't clear if you were meaning me or mvvish. Im tird of ppl saying christianity is nothing better then islam... cos it is far better... but i understand it when ppl start to justify murders like islam does. The comands of christianity is not kill............. for crying out loud! that's islam's command however.

  • it's a simple fact. Jesus and mohamad ARE opposites.

  • Any strategy to strangle Islam must include ending our dependence on middle east oil. With no oil revenues Islamic nations will be forced to become economically viable, to support themselves. Or face oblivion.

    We cannot remain in a position where Islamists use our money to subvert our way of life, or to impose their repulsive religion around the globe

  • lol 04.11 Saruman

  • Islam is like cancer.

    If you don't cut it away with an operationknife, you will die.

    Look to mayor Dutch cities like Amsterdam.

    It is now called Islamsterdam.

  • If you organize a march against the "progressive islam" in the US TODAY, it will come too soon: you will be accused of being racists and islamophobic, and you will be compared with the Ku Klux Clan and you will be spit out by the press.

    Because Islam has not shown her real face yet to the pple of America: the face of holding society in her grip from within.

    Indeed, you haven't seen anything yet.

    If in Europe , we would organize such a protest march TODAY... it will be too late.

  • I don't think so DePetrick. Americans don't put up with that kind of shit. It hasn't become Socialist - YET.

    But Obozo is working on it.

  • Allah is not a god.

  • wow...5 *****!!

  • Scare Tactics? LOL

  • ISLAM = NAZISM X COMMUNISM

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  • please see the islamic marriage contract exposed on my channel, it's UNconstitutional

  • Read Nostradamus. It talks of Islam collapsing. A lot of his predictions were correct. Let us hope this one is too.

  • He also predicted the collapsing of your Mothers anus.

  • lol,

    WOOWW, thats quiet a list.

    Im suprised HAMZA YUSUF who is 'the most influential muslim!!' in the west is not on there,

    I advise all to watch what he preaches

    He's even opened a MUSLIM COLLEGE recently in US!!!!!!

  • Five Gold Stars !!!!!!!!!!

  • 5 STARS

  • i love how the muslims laugh at us Christians saying we are going to burn in Hell but the truth is when they die it will be them who are burning in Hell

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  • Well WW111

  • May I suggest that some patriots contaminate all their Halal food in the West with something that will sterilize them, so that they will be slowly fazed out.

  • Muslims are the nazis, not the countries that want Islamic filth out of it.

  • Yehshua ha machiach!!!

  • American Please subscribed for Peace Tv on your dish.American media makes fool to the public .Please learn there is no israel i,ts not islamic fight its freedom fight

  • All muslime are against israel state not jews.

  • Well, I think in a few years, the whole world will work together, to destroy the places of muslim terror-culture, intolerance, and violence, forever!!!

    mohammed must die! - and he will die, at this nice day!!

    Anywhere in the world, the whole world will work together on this nice day!

    We will liberate N, S America, Europe, Africa, middle East, and whole Asia!

    That is the dream, the dream of my life...

    We should live it, this century!

  • i am ready to die

  • CRUSADE, IS THE ONLY WAY!

    Praise The LORD and Pass The Ammunition!

    islam, IS THE ENEMY, OF US ALL!

    Even, thier own!

    islam Wants WAR! HELL YEA! BRING IT ON!

    OnWard Christian Soldiers!

  • If you think that the Jewish people are are problem to our civilization, just look at the way that the Muslims live.

    Guess what... the Muslims really do want to impose their sorry excuse of civilization on us.

    If that doesn't frighten you, it should! Those who don't like the Jews and are foolish enough to think that the Muslims are our friends are truly ignorant.

  • Propaganda

  • These fucking Jews have fucked up America with Barney Frank and Chuck Schumer. they need to pack their shit up and find another host to feed off of. the Islamic Fascist are right about one thing. Jews fuck up any society these parasitic host infiltrate.

    Fight your own fucking war assholes and get the fuck out of America.

  • Let Israel and Europe deal with the Islamic fascist. Americans fought two wars. We got our payback. Israel and Europe need to fight the next Islamic fascist war.

    Jews in America need to realize we are tired of their shit. Wall Street, Washington, Barbra Boxer, Chuck Schumer, Diane Fienstien, Barny Frank we are fucking done with the Jews and their radicalization of Negroes.

    Jews need to fight the Islamic Fascist period. Get the fuck out of America and get your leaches out of our congress

  • i am ready to die

  • Fine.

    Die.

  • Islamization is a threat to civilisation that is based on freedom and democracy. Islamic law would remove ALL freedoms and create a dictatorial hell-hole for those who prefer the land of the free. Our own laws may not be perfect in some cases, but compared to Islamic law it's worth abiding to.

    Islamic law is brutal and oppressive, there is no such thing as freedom and democracy. Preserve what you have while you've still got it and defeat at ANY COST the intentional demise of the free world.

  • 0Made1nEngland0, any argument from white nationalists has no legs. BNP is a racist bigoted white nationalist organization.

  • Let's get one thing straight: Islam is the twistedly evil Bizarro-like version of Christianity. Islam came about because of Ishmael, who broke off from the Hebrews because of the issue of a birthright which he felt Isaac stole from him. The peaceful Muslims who follow Islam are actually the fringe members, because the Qu'ran teaches that you are supposed to behead those who do not accept Allah's vision of the world. As such guys like Osama are actually following what the Qu'ran teaches.

  • Libs LOVE Muslims because they have a common enemy in Christianity. Libs know that Islam will never become the official faith of the US, so they have no problem giving terrorist Jihadists a pass on their actions, because it falls in line with their plans to someday outlaw ALL religion in the US. This is also why the left wing media loves to harp about Christian murderers (for ex the killer of the Tiller abortion doct) while downplaying murderers who act on extreme secular beliefs...

  • like the recent female left wing nutcase shooter. As i said, this is all being done with the purpose to someday outlaw all religion in the US, by the militant left, because of all the "fanaticism" religious people employ. Obama subscribes to this view as well, being a likely Muslim himself. This would also account for his constant apologies overseas for America's "bullying"

  • So ... the goose stepping begins once again ... the gears of war are winding up ... OPEN UP THE FLOOD GATES ! SEND OUT THE ASSASSINS .... time for counter measures ...... I hate all religion .... it's wrong plain and fucking simple.... so get ready ...... and be ready to execute some direct action ...

  • You hate all religion? Isn't that like saying that all Black people are the same just because some Blacks happen to commit crimes? Don't you think that's a tad narrow minded?

  • no ... I see your anallogy ... and its not the same... however I don't have anything against Buddhism .. I have my reasons... it is wrong... there is no Super Jew named jehovah... all religion has been used for was a tool to commit genocide since the day it was concieved .. and a snare set to trap the weak of mind... if your christian and took offence to me hating religion .. sorry ... but like I said I have my reasons.. and it's not the average born again I hate. ... just their religion..

  • ANYTHING can be twisted from its original purpose in order to hurt/control other people. Religion is just one example of this, history provides many more as well as secular ones. Communists want to claim that their policies help people to live better lives, but explain that to people who lived under guys like Stalin. If you have an issue with the atrocities committed by those claimingto be religious fine, but dont leave out the secular ones. Otherwise it's just picking and chosing what uragainst

  • well true now adays if you stand against the church you won't be tortured to death publicly ... it has come along way ... but still it is wrong... WRONG... and I chose to be against their false ideals and beliefs... because they are wrong ... it seems to me to be the most Evil fucked up thing on this planet ... and it STILL goes..unchallenged. its fucking pathetic... when will people wake up... its because the church has always been in power . .. I hate them ...