Hey there dhamamy - i'm not apostate, but have suffered greatly by the JW's. Want to say I appreciate you posting these letters for all to see. Proving that the WTBS has all of these records of past child molestation. I like the exposure and keeping us in the know. Thanks bud.
Doublespeak!? You are not kidding. Aside from the horror of child molestation. The 1997 letter && the next 1998 one states in your videofilm, "anyone who is currently serving or who formerly served in a Society-appointed position"
They say they are appointed by holy-spirit.
They have a conflicting point there on that alone.
Just out of curiosity, and for comparison purposes, how does the Watchtower Society handle people who may have committed embezzlement before joining the sect, and how they handle embezzlers who have actually stolen money from the Watchtower Society?? Would an embezzler be given the same "kid gloves" treatment if only ONE person caught him stealing???
Check out my video "Watchtower Lies in Court Proceeding". The man disfellowshipped was accused of embezzling from WT. The last time I heard he was well into more than 20 letters requesting reinstatement spanning at least a decade. All refused.
Conversely I know of another man who molested many children who was in fact disfellowshipped and reinstated within 6 months.
Message? Molest the children just dont molest the Watchtower.
Like I said I will bury the sex laws. I have information that if you knew you would be helping me do just that, Butt: with or with out youe help it will be a reality soon enough.
Two things. Where did you get that letter, and who did the graphics for the magazine cover. I've tried to do similar designs but I can't figure out which font they use. Looks like your designer has it!
What really doesn't make sense is that they are told to inform the branch. Shouldn't they inform THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION THAT THERE IS A POTENTILA CHILD MOLESTER LURKING IN THE CONGREGATION? It's all double standards to elders. This is another reason why I left the organization. And, when you are away from it all...everything seems to make sense. When I left THE LIGHT TRULY GOT BRIGHTER FOR ME.
All the elders who we know are lurking these pages against the strict admonition of "Mother" know that what you say is true. They faithfully and diligently follow this slyly concocted direction and then get slapped in the face for doing so.
What mindless slaves you are, even the good ones. Shame on you for protecting molesters, the Society, and yet leaving the children left out to dry!
The question in my mind would be. Hasn't it been said in the past that these elders were appointed by Holy Spirit? This letter and the need for this information proves that it's not the case. Would not the Holy Spirit have directed the society not to make the appointment's in the first place?
There are so many things that jump out at me right away with this. It shows they keep files on everyone, just like scientologists. Yet, people may argue, "You're never satisifed! We're damned if we do and damned if we don't!"
Um, yes, exactly. It won't be settled until the whole thing is rectified on J-Day.
Files they "keep" on everyone are number related unless there is a judicial committee and then for only a limited time. They're doing the very thing you desire by keeping a record of molesters. Your beef is that they don't tell the general membership about the accusations. Your paranoia is why you banned me from commenting on your psychotic videos Props. I don't agree with the WT, but I'm not rabid about it.This does expose molesters were serving as elders, that's important! Old news though.
What would these "Exploitive" purposes be? If its purpose were to keep tabs on the whereabouts of sex registrants it wold be a private Megan's list of sorts. If it were to keep them from being re-appointed it would be a very purposeful policy to say the least. Wouldn't you agree?
I doubt that Catholics are informed on a regular basis of sex offenders in their midst.
Good question. The sky's the limit when it comes to the Watchtower exploiting people. I'm no expert in exploitation, but I can come up with ideas. "It would be a shame Brother X if the other members found out about your leanings toward children. By the way, that's a nice watch you're wearing."
Well Prop ol' man, there you go again makin crap up. That is not how it works. As I've said to you until you blocked me from commenting on your paranoid videos, use valid and factual information when exposing the WT. You're views are too often out in left field and removed from reality. You think this list is for extortion? You are jaded, and deluded. I applaud exposing the WT for its lies but making up this sort of stupidity is counter productive. All the best.
Do you think every elder thinks like you? You're the one with the narrow mind. I know exactly what happens. I was denied the "privilege" of being an auxiliary pioneer because they had a file on me saying I was viewing apostate literature. The damn fools had a report from other publishers that overheard me discussing viewing apostate literature. They left out the fact I viewed it before coming in the truth. The stupid bastards then wanted me to jump through hoops.
That is not the norm. I would imagine you pissed someone off Could be you grate on people a little? I agree each elder body is a little fiefdom, but that does not alter the official policy of the WT. The hoops you mention must have been the WT policy of assuring that one is in line with the WT doctrine and thinking before they are approved to spend the hours as a "Auxiliary Pioneer". Face it, you were wising up then, weren't you? So many who have left are in denial about how contrary they were.
@Truthbookblues Not arguing with you. I have met many former elders who share the same experience as mine. There is lots of official info thats sent to elders but there is little done if it isnt followed and much of it is purposely conflicting to keep them off balance and forever leaning on the service desk. This is what Dhamamy is trying to show without making hour long uploads. This is how the WT is able to leave elders out to dry. If called on it they point to whats in print.
You think every elder thinks just like you? In the narrow minded sense I agree they do all think like you. You have no idea what goes on other than in the rinky dink congregation you were appointed an elder in. The fact you were an elder says a lot about the congregation.
I was in a hall with 34 elders, so don't ever tell me about elders.
And for the record, nobody is blocked from my channel. Not one single person. Think for a moment if you might be a moron.
Prop, I was active in the truth for over 30 years in multiple congregations. You, again, speak without thinking it through. When I try to comment on your videos my comments never appear. They used to, but then they stopped accepting them. This usually means :"Blocked". I'll try again then. Sorry if I made a mistake there buddy. Just tone down the paranoia and stay with the known facts. Witnesses read statements like yours as wacko. Its pure supposition on your part and not the norm. This I know.
The JWs teach that (at least now, stay tuned) the Superior Authorities (Rom 13) are Gods servant for administering affairs on earth including justice, at least for now until "Gords Kingdom is established".
Therefore a privately kept list serves no interest in harmony with the belief that it is the Gov's job to investigate, charge and administer "punishment to the wrongdoer". That list and evidence gathered needs to be handed over to "Gods Servant" , not kept hidden.
If they were to use such a list so as to self patrol their appointments of Elders and Ministerial servants is would most certainly serve a purpose. (Not as an alternative to the State's efforts at documentation.) It seems reasonable they would have a checklist to keep appointments of such men from happening. What other practical purpose could there be? They don't patrol the actions of registrants in the congregation.
Just one note to disposing of DF files. In my experience in 2 different congregations in two different parts of the world, is that dfing files are kept permanently, long after a person is reinstated. Further, even though files are to be sealed, a rubber band was used in both suggesting a common practice. There is a naivety that people have, even ex members, that the JW's admin's are mostly good and no worse than others (ie RC)...Old news or not, these letters prove they are not so angelic.
All judicial files are to be destroyed 5 years after reinstatement or end of restrictions. This is per a letter to the elders in the 1990's. I know because I was the elder in our congregation who examined all files and destroyed those that fit the description. They are not kept indefinitely. While I agree that the files are seldom handled professionally, ie:poor security and notes left out where an elder might read them inadvertently, that is not the WT but janitors doing a job they can't..
I replied to this but it went up above next to another cm'nt. I agree with you & just added my 2 cnts. Also that info from apostates should be accurate or we become same thing. I do not know your situation nor where you were an elder. But the point we would like to make is that the closer you get to bethel or a branch, the more you see the true nature of WT politics. Those 34 elds are closer to "the way" its to be done. Elders otherwise sincerely wish to do good but inside their view of policy.
it's intentionally written to corner the elders into a position where they must make a judgment call as well, and at the same time pushes the blame off of the society and onto the elder body. Makes you wonder why they stay loyal. Satanic.
The Watchtower gains their loyalty, the same way that Hitler got loyalty from a very proud german military that on many levels despised him. The reality was that he gave them power and that was enough to buy their loyalty.
The WT gives Power in the same way. Janitor by day, and bible wielding tyrant at night.
Hey there dhamamy - i'm not apostate, but have suffered greatly by the JW's. Want to say I appreciate you posting these letters for all to see. Proving that the WTBS has all of these records of past child molestation. I like the exposure and keeping us in the know. Thanks bud.
GuruChocolate 3 months ago
@sbgrox11
Moron!
dhamamy 7 months ago
Doublespeak!? You are not kidding. Aside from the horror of child molestation. The 1997 letter && the next 1998 one states in your videofilm, "anyone who is currently serving or who formerly served in a Society-appointed position"
They say they are appointed by holy-spirit.
They have a conflicting point there on that alone.
They could not agree on the colour of vomit.
De5054 1 year ago 3
Just out of curiosity, and for comparison purposes, how does the Watchtower Society handle people who may have committed embezzlement before joining the sect, and how they handle embezzlers who have actually stolen money from the Watchtower Society?? Would an embezzler be given the same "kid gloves" treatment if only ONE person caught him stealing???
WWZenaDo 1 year ago
@WWZenaDo
Check out my video "Watchtower Lies in Court Proceeding". The man disfellowshipped was accused of embezzling from WT. The last time I heard he was well into more than 20 letters requesting reinstatement spanning at least a decade. All refused.
Conversely I know of another man who molested many children who was in fact disfellowshipped and reinstated within 6 months.
Message? Molest the children just dont molest the Watchtower.
dhamamy 1 year ago
@dhamamy Hah! That is EXACTLY what I suspected!!! Thanks for that information; I think that's a line of investigation worth pursuing!!! >;)
WWZenaDo 1 year ago
Like I said I will bury the sex laws. I have information that if you knew you would be helping me do just that, Butt: with or with out youe help it will be a reality soon enough.
Keither9 1 year ago
Good vid, keep it up.
abbyguy 1 year ago
Two things. Where did you get that letter, and who did the graphics for the magazine cover. I've tried to do similar designs but I can't figure out which font they use. Looks like your designer has it!
Jewelsheam 2 years ago
@Jewelsheam
The letter? Classified.
The magazine cover was designed by Propagandatechniques. I am sure he can answer your questions.
Thanks for the comment.
dhamamy 2 years ago
Wow celebrate your child's birthday and your evil but... well you know the rest.
Good video D
21crosscheck21 2 years ago
What really doesn't make sense is that they are told to inform the branch. Shouldn't they inform THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION THAT THERE IS A POTENTILA CHILD MOLESTER LURKING IN THE CONGREGATION? It's all double standards to elders. This is another reason why I left the organization. And, when you are away from it all...everything seems to make sense. When I left THE LIGHT TRULY GOT BRIGHTER FOR ME.
WakeUpWitness 2 years ago
All the elders who we know are lurking these pages against the strict admonition of "Mother" know that what you say is true. They faithfully and diligently follow this slyly concocted direction and then get slapped in the face for doing so.
What mindless slaves you are, even the good ones. Shame on you for protecting molesters, the Society, and yet leaving the children left out to dry!
Frankgerretti 2 years ago
The question in my mind would be. Hasn't it been said in the past that these elders were appointed by Holy Spirit? This letter and the need for this information proves that it's not the case. Would not the Holy Spirit have directed the society not to make the appointment's in the first place?
earnestlyseeking 2 years ago
Thanks for bringing these docs to light!
JBSauce 2 years ago
More to come!
dhamamy 2 years ago
There are so many things that jump out at me right away with this. It shows they keep files on everyone, just like scientologists. Yet, people may argue, "You're never satisifed! We're damned if we do and damned if we don't!"
Um, yes, exactly. It won't be settled until the whole thing is rectified on J-Day.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
Files they "keep" on everyone are number related unless there is a judicial committee and then for only a limited time. They're doing the very thing you desire by keeping a record of molesters. Your beef is that they don't tell the general membership about the accusations. Your paranoia is why you banned me from commenting on your psychotic videos Props. I don't agree with the WT, but I'm not rabid about it.This does expose molesters were serving as elders, that's important! Old news though.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
@Truthbookblues
And its still my beef.
Do you think it's a sound policy to keep records of pedphiles for exploitive purposes, but not tell the rank and file their car captain is one?
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
What would these "Exploitive" purposes be? If its purpose were to keep tabs on the whereabouts of sex registrants it wold be a private Megan's list of sorts. If it were to keep them from being re-appointed it would be a very purposeful policy to say the least. Wouldn't you agree?
I doubt that Catholics are informed on a regular basis of sex offenders in their midst.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
@Truthbookblues
Good question. The sky's the limit when it comes to the Watchtower exploiting people. I'm no expert in exploitation, but I can come up with ideas. "It would be a shame Brother X if the other members found out about your leanings toward children. By the way, that's a nice watch you're wearing."
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
Well Prop ol' man, there you go again makin crap up. That is not how it works. As I've said to you until you blocked me from commenting on your paranoid videos, use valid and factual information when exposing the WT. You're views are too often out in left field and removed from reality. You think this list is for extortion? You are jaded, and deluded. I applaud exposing the WT for its lies but making up this sort of stupidity is counter productive. All the best.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
@Truthbookblues
Do you think every elder thinks like you? You're the one with the narrow mind. I know exactly what happens. I was denied the "privilege" of being an auxiliary pioneer because they had a file on me saying I was viewing apostate literature. The damn fools had a report from other publishers that overheard me discussing viewing apostate literature. They left out the fact I viewed it before coming in the truth. The stupid bastards then wanted me to jump through hoops.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
That is not the norm. I would imagine you pissed someone off Could be you grate on people a little? I agree each elder body is a little fiefdom, but that does not alter the official policy of the WT. The hoops you mention must have been the WT policy of assuring that one is in line with the WT doctrine and thinking before they are approved to spend the hours as a "Auxiliary Pioneer". Face it, you were wising up then, weren't you? So many who have left are in denial about how contrary they were.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
@Truthbookblues Not arguing with you. I have met many former elders who share the same experience as mine. There is lots of official info thats sent to elders but there is little done if it isnt followed and much of it is purposely conflicting to keep them off balance and forever leaning on the service desk. This is what Dhamamy is trying to show without making hour long uploads. This is how the WT is able to leave elders out to dry. If called on it they point to whats in print.
Frankgerretti 2 years ago
Frank, don't misunderstand. I believe the video is great. It is propagandatechniques I am responding to. He is another story.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
@Truthbookblues
You think every elder thinks just like you? In the narrow minded sense I agree they do all think like you. You have no idea what goes on other than in the rinky dink congregation you were appointed an elder in. The fact you were an elder says a lot about the congregation.
I was in a hall with 34 elders, so don't ever tell me about elders.
And for the record, nobody is blocked from my channel. Not one single person. Think for a moment if you might be a moron.
propagandatechniques 2 years ago
Prop, I was active in the truth for over 30 years in multiple congregations. You, again, speak without thinking it through. When I try to comment on your videos my comments never appear. They used to, but then they stopped accepting them. This usually means :"Blocked". I'll try again then. Sorry if I made a mistake there buddy. Just tone down the paranoia and stay with the known facts. Witnesses read statements like yours as wacko. Its pure supposition on your part and not the norm. This I know.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
"The Truth" is supposed to be different...not like "the worlds" religions.
inspirediam 2 years ago 2
@Truthbookblues
The JWs teach that (at least now, stay tuned) the Superior Authorities (Rom 13) are Gods servant for administering affairs on earth including justice, at least for now until "Gords Kingdom is established".
Therefore a privately kept list serves no interest in harmony with the belief that it is the Gov's job to investigate, charge and administer "punishment to the wrongdoer". That list and evidence gathered needs to be handed over to "Gods Servant" , not kept hidden.
Frankgerretti 2 years ago
If they were to use such a list so as to self patrol their appointments of Elders and Ministerial servants is would most certainly serve a purpose. (Not as an alternative to the State's efforts at documentation.) It seems reasonable they would have a checklist to keep appointments of such men from happening. What other practical purpose could there be? They don't patrol the actions of registrants in the congregation.
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
Just one note to disposing of DF files. In my experience in 2 different congregations in two different parts of the world, is that dfing files are kept permanently, long after a person is reinstated. Further, even though files are to be sealed, a rubber band was used in both suggesting a common practice. There is a naivety that people have, even ex members, that the JW's admin's are mostly good and no worse than others (ie RC)...Old news or not, these letters prove they are not so angelic.
Frankgerretti 2 years ago
All judicial files are to be destroyed 5 years after reinstatement or end of restrictions. This is per a letter to the elders in the 1990's. I know because I was the elder in our congregation who examined all files and destroyed those that fit the description. They are not kept indefinitely. While I agree that the files are seldom handled professionally, ie:poor security and notes left out where an elder might read them inadvertently, that is not the WT but janitors doing a job they can't..
Truthbookblues 2 years ago
I replied to this but it went up above next to another cm'nt. I agree with you & just added my 2 cnts. Also that info from apostates should be accurate or we become same thing. I do not know your situation nor where you were an elder. But the point we would like to make is that the closer you get to bethel or a branch, the more you see the true nature of WT politics. Those 34 elds are closer to "the way" its to be done. Elders otherwise sincerely wish to do good but inside their view of policy.
Frankgerretti 2 years ago
it's intentionally written to corner the elders into a position where they must make a judgment call as well, and at the same time pushes the blame off of the society and onto the elder body. Makes you wonder why they stay loyal. Satanic.
Ribcagehacksaw 2 years ago
@Ribcagehacksaw
The Watchtower gains their loyalty, the same way that Hitler got loyalty from a very proud german military that on many levels despised him. The reality was that he gave them power and that was enough to buy their loyalty.
The WT gives Power in the same way. Janitor by day, and bible wielding tyrant at night.
Frankgerretti 2 years ago