firts i want to apologize for my bad english but this movi is really good why someone say things like "is a sad film or i dont like cause is so hard and rude" nha!!! our life sometime is worse than this movi just we dont take the time for wach this move talk abous the hapinnes the life, that life, that sometime culd be hard but everyone culd change and make a better life!!!!! again sorry for my bad english
This is a very sad film. I actually felt pity for his father, who was his own worst enemy. It's a tragedy but very inspirational at the same time. The music suits the mood of the film really well.
I never played this instrument, but the movie is masterpiece, after I watched he movie I received an enormous wish to learn to play. And gather the strength to say no to all mean fathers!
It is the Rach Concerto No. 3 in D minor, Opus 30, but probably, many parts were perhaps omitted/substituted. I don't know the whole piece, I can barely play past page 4. But, Youtube Martha Argerich, playing in 3 parts I think, directed by Riccardo Chailly conducting, in the 90's? I wish they showed her hands sooner, moving so fast you can't even keep up, but look closely, the piano wires going nuts. Eventually, they do show her hands, WOW. And for 'Shine' fans, Lynn Redgrave, a great loss.
great movie. I have always wondered about the authenticity of this scene. If this is a true representation of his performance, then, you might notice that at 1:25, there is a shot of a recording studio and later, there is a shot of his father presumably listening to his performance on reel to reel. Am I to understand that this recording exists? And what of his 'breakdown' and fall at the end of the scene. Any ideas? Anybody know for sure?
Because it's not? I've played piano since I was 8, played the second movement of the Rach 3, and listened to it probably a thousand times. There is not one bar of that music at 4:36 in the piece.
I think the film is trying to convey the way David Helfgott was feeling at the time of the performance...his mind was meant to be detached from the performance..hence, the notes sound incoherent.....
well studied have shown that the Music of Bach and Mozart makes a certain part of your brain bigger (forgot wich one) I saw it on a Documentary, Also in Sweden they made an Experiment with pregnant woman they choose six and they all were made to play piano during the ninth month pregnancy, and listen to Bach, two of the children were born With Perfect Pitch and most of them grew up to be Talented Musicians ;).
@GalactusPBN no it's true. these theories happen to be true. or would you say that it's all coincidents if just things happened to exactly those children?! i don't think so.
The prenatal idea hasn't been completely agreed on. It's likely that these children were exposed to music in the first few weeks of their lives as well, and those might also have triggered such developments - being born with perfect pitch obviously can't be tested. Certain things may happen during pregnancy, but it's debated how much of an effect they have.
Watch the PBS documentary "Music and the Mind," though; it's really interesting.
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Sean Bennett at age 14 played this better than this guy does. This interpretation sucks, the orchestra sounds terrible, and the piano part is choppy. No wonder all of these mediocre musicians all "love" "Rach 3"; damn music ruining movies.
It´s te best film that I ever seen in all my life...the story, the direction, the music, all is perfect, sublime, it can affect me in a very deep way...
Lejos, la mejor película que he visto en todo mí vida. La historia, las actuaciones, la música, la dirección, cada vez que la veo me emociono hasta el alma...
Zachary Thomas, I think, is the young man playing young Helfgott. He, himself, has amazing presence, and hopefully plays the piano. It was an inspiring movie and really brought my kids into classical music. Helfgott will always hold a place in history, not only for his 'disputed' talent but for his story which drew so much greatly needed attention to classical piano. A masterpiece. G. Rush did a magnificent portrayal of David Helfgott.
I´ve met and talked to Helfgott after a concert i Aarhus Denmark, and he is excactly as portraied in the movie, very wierd but an extremly nice and gifted man.
well it's supposed that he fainted cous' he was schizofrenic, actually we don't really know, what i think is his fanther, i mean in the movie he act like an asshole, maybe all that presure made poor David faint and colapsed, Really Good Movie Shine!!!•••
@chritsopher3142 who is ? i wanna know if in this film geoffrey rush play , or have hando double too , cause u know ... in the film u can see pretty good that he is playing , but maybe is like inthe red violin , where Christoph Koncz play but the real sound was from joshua bell ... hope u can answer me !
firts i want to apologize for my bad english but this movi is really good why someone say things like "is a sad film or i dont like cause is so hard and rude" nha!!! our life sometime is worse than this movi just we dont take the time for wach this move talk abous the hapinnes the life, that life, that sometime culd be hard but everyone culd change and make a better life!!!!! again sorry for my bad english
sonrix666 3 months ago
One of the very greatest movies ever made. Beauty and horror, despair and redemption. This is a film everyone should see.
ReklawLah 3 months ago
This is a very sad film. I actually felt pity for his father, who was his own worst enemy. It's a tragedy but very inspirational at the same time. The music suits the mood of the film really well.
Coneman3 4 months ago
I saw this great movie many many times. Just super.
turtle2skeleton 5 months ago
I never played this instrument, but the movie is masterpiece, after I watched he movie I received an enormous wish to learn to play. And gather the strength to say no to all mean fathers!
B3l1Cool 5 months ago
Looks like a Rafa Nadal look alike at 4:50!! lol
MrSamc94 1 year ago 2
@MrSamc94 hAHAHA YEAH xD
MisterAlbertoPiano 1 year ago
damn this was an awsome movie
Syntarro 1 year ago
It is the Rach Concerto No. 3 in D minor, Opus 30, but probably, many parts were perhaps omitted/substituted. I don't know the whole piece, I can barely play past page 4. But, Youtube Martha Argerich, playing in 3 parts I think, directed by Riccardo Chailly conducting, in the 90's? I wish they showed her hands sooner, moving so fast you can't even keep up, but look closely, the piano wires going nuts. Eventually, they do show her hands, WOW. And for 'Shine' fans, Lynn Redgrave, a great loss.
camus490 1 year ago 2
great movie. I have always wondered about the authenticity of this scene. If this is a true representation of his performance, then, you might notice that at 1:25, there is a shot of a recording studio and later, there is a shot of his father presumably listening to his performance on reel to reel. Am I to understand that this recording exists? And what of his 'breakdown' and fall at the end of the scene. Any ideas? Anybody know for sure?
plumbersteve 1 year ago
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PhillyB702 11 months ago
One of the best movies ever, if you play, you understand.
camus490 1 year ago 4
@camus490 i know exactly how you feel lol
jdrms 1 year ago
@jdrms I didn't know you could reply,etc.. to comments on this site. Thank you for yours.
PS - I don't practice anymore, but even so, still can't past page 4 (of 80) , and ever so slowly.
camus490 1 year ago
Can you imagine having such a song define you?
Mertdizzle15 1 year ago
...and 4:36 isn't even the Rach 3. :)
maulcs 2 years ago 3
why do you say that?
eltachimetro 1 year ago
@eltachimetro
Because it's not? I've played piano since I was 8, played the second movement of the Rach 3, and listened to it probably a thousand times. There is not one bar of that music at 4:36 in the piece.
maulcs 1 year ago 2
I think the film is trying to convey the way David Helfgott was feeling at the time of the performance...his mind was meant to be detached from the performance..hence, the notes sound incoherent.....
polytheneted 1 year ago
He didn't actually collapse or have a mental breakdown on stage like this. This movie took a lot of liberties.
maulcs 2 years ago
most movies do
danpayne118 2 years ago
@maulcs
wow, you're right
sackwhacker 1 year ago
you know when it shows his dad listening to it, is that his son playing or does he just happen to be listening to it at the time?
ifan5 2 years ago
He's listening to the recording of it after the fact, because you can see he's holding on to the medal he won from the performance afterwards.
maulcs 2 years ago
This scene is so brilliantly executed, it SUFFOCATES!! Specially towards the end of it, when David snaps after finishing the piano piece.
thedrmat 2 years ago 4
i agree but david was disconnected for the passion of the song,what a tragedy!
angelobuylla 2 years ago 2
fabulous film, best scene!!! simply brilliant!!!
omejia2006 2 years ago 5
i love it...thank you ..
ccf988 2 years ago 2
Can Tremendous Music Activity affect the brain like that?
eddiemperor 2 years ago
yeah.... i guess it can.
vampirehunter2911 2 years ago
well studied have shown that the Music of Bach and Mozart makes a certain part of your brain bigger (forgot wich one) I saw it on a Documentary, Also in Sweden they made an Experiment with pregnant woman they choose six and they all were made to play piano during the ninth month pregnancy, and listen to Bach, two of the children were born With Perfect Pitch and most of them grew up to be Talented Musicians ;).
eddiemperor 2 years ago
calling bullshit.
All of those prenatal theories have been debunked.
GalactusPBN 2 years ago
@GalactusPBN no it's true. these theories happen to be true. or would you say that it's all coincidents if just things happened to exactly those children?! i don't think so.
xXnaDilXx 2 years ago
The prenatal idea hasn't been completely agreed on. It's likely that these children were exposed to music in the first few weeks of their lives as well, and those might also have triggered such developments - being born with perfect pitch obviously can't be tested. Certain things may happen during pregnancy, but it's debated how much of an effect they have.
Watch the PBS documentary "Music and the Mind," though; it's really interesting.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
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that is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.
PopcOrnDeVilPD 2 years ago
Genial.
SadLisa777 2 years ago
Una pelicula genial.
lauritapily 2 years ago
what happened to the piano player?!! is he dead now due to over exhaustion or what?!
MoonyD911 2 years ago
no he had a brain anurism. hes still alive today and he still plays concerts
zachschwing 2 years ago
Actually... I'm going to his concert tonight! I Expect it to be FABULOUS!!!
Taniadotcom 2 years ago 2
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it's not like this when playing rachmaninov though. you don't get soaking wet! this is awful. DISGUSTING!
chrisb0000 2 years ago
David's teacher looks like Tchaikovsky hehe!
Dizintograte 2 years ago
thank you migmed for your ack of this film !!! pls
plsphd47 2 years ago
Thank you migmed.blogspot for your arrangement of this music and its context!!!!
plsphd47 2 years ago
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Sean Bennett at age 14 played this better than this guy does. This interpretation sucks, the orchestra sounds terrible, and the piano part is choppy. No wonder all of these mediocre musicians all "love" "Rach 3"; damn music ruining movies.
evifnoskcaj 2 years ago
The movie would be about 50x better if they had the entire concerto here.
LMJ314142 2 years ago 5
@LMJ314142 that would be awesome, but it would also add like half an hour to the movie;)
plumbersteve 1 year ago
It´s te best film that I ever seen in all my life...the story, the direction, the music, all is perfect, sublime, it can affect me in a very deep way...
proferosendo 2 years ago
Lejos, la mejor película que he visto en todo mí vida. La historia, las actuaciones, la música, la dirección, cada vez que la veo me emociono hasta el alma...
proferosendo 2 years ago
Is this a true story, did this happen?
Rachmanomaniac 2 years ago
yeah its true
rpm4real 2 years ago
Wtf does that mean
VadorElf 2 years ago
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this movie is awesome!
RikuRox22 2 years ago
this is one of my all time fave films, i can listen to rach 3 over and over. awesome. and an amazing story
zinnia001 2 years ago
when he closes his eyes and he is sweting, he looks like raphael nadal
simonsiveul 2 years ago
lol...
chocobosROK 2 years ago
Zachary Thomas, I think, is the young man playing young Helfgott. He, himself, has amazing presence, and hopefully plays the piano. It was an inspiring movie and really brought my kids into classical music. Helfgott will always hold a place in history, not only for his 'disputed' talent but for his story which drew so much greatly needed attention to classical piano. A masterpiece. G. Rush did a magnificent portrayal of David Helfgott.
lynndelano 2 years ago
an oscar well earned
no1SwedishViking 2 years ago 3
Actor Noah Taylor is playing the young Helfgott here.
rainlori 2 years ago 2
wow+.+
it's magnificent
Flokky2310 2 years ago
Shine inspired me to try to play this peice
goldlovingidiot 2 years ago 2
and you wont tell me now, that you re doing well onplaying this piece !!!!!
profslump20078 2 years ago
@goldlovingidiot yeah and how's that working out for you?
plumbersteve 1 year ago
Me encanta Rachmaninov, y su traslación a esta pelicula"Shine" formidable
agarcv1 2 years ago
rachmaninov was a fukin genius! at 3:30 is where it gets nuts
carlitos07way 3 years ago
I´ve met and talked to Helfgott after a concert i Aarhus Denmark, and he is excactly as portraied in the movie, very wierd but an extremly nice and gifted man.
mortenholck 3 years ago 2
He probably fainted because Rach took over his body and then left..leaving an empty shell
jgfunk 3 years ago
For those that have not seen the movie, please check it out. Well worth it.
jgfunk 3 years ago 4
I need to see this movie
Rachmaninov is a genius.
DoddzyKingofSynth 3 years ago 13
@DoddzyKingofSynth I've watched this movie twentyfive times, But not so much the first half. Wonderful. Some of the most touching scenes I've seen.
kayakbruce1 1 year ago
Amazing
3wwasha 3 years ago
I JUST see the movie and I love it! I didnt know the story of David and I find it very inspiring....
eugem10 3 years ago
He's not playing the whole thing. It's a arrangement. Some of it is a medley of the whole piece.
virtuosomusician 3 years ago
well it's supposed that he fainted cous' he was schizofrenic, actually we don't really know, what i think is his fanther, i mean in the movie he act like an asshole, maybe all that presure made poor David faint and colapsed, Really Good Movie Shine!!!•••
chapin1989 3 years ago
this movie takes your breath away. The Rach 3 is purely for geniuses. And Olga Kern is totally fabulous playing it! ;)
gallopX 3 years ago
why does he faint?
boynamedEM 3 years ago
Watch the movie
YetAnotherWebWarrior 3 years ago 5
he has a mental problem. I really recomend you the movie "shine" (i just saw it) its fantastic!
eugem10 3 years ago 2
this is an awesome film!
geldschijter 3 years ago 2
My Piano Teacher is the hand double in this!!!!
chritsopher3142 3 years ago 14
WOW!! have you any vid of him!?
mierdaquevuela 3 years ago
really? that's crazy!!!!!
poweriserpro 3 years ago
great!
eugem10 3 years ago
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AnnoyingLittleShit 11 months ago
@chritsopher3142 who is ? i wanna know if in this film geoffrey rush play , or have hando double too , cause u know ... in the film u can see pretty good that he is playing , but maybe is like inthe red violin , where Christoph Koncz play but the real sound was from joshua bell ... hope u can answer me !
nathvie 6 months ago
@nathvie Geoffrey Rush was his own hand double. He played to a very high standard as a child.
grundledib 6 months ago
merveilleuse interpretation!!! de ce jeune acteur, musique inoubliable!!film mémorable***
merci milles fois.****
josepha45 3 years ago
que un film incredibile'
rpknyy7 3 years ago
this is by far my favorite film
dogcoon 3 years ago 4
Excelente película, gran elección; medio patológico pero me encanta lo ponposo y lo dramático de los rusos.
claumarob 3 years ago
hasta q alguien subió esta versión!!
sergioued 3 years ago
una pieza increible, la película lo más
andiwill84 3 years ago 3
grandios
Nerofumo999 3 years ago 3