You can be Jewish or you can be Christian. But you can't be both. By definition, Jews reject the Greek, or New, Testament. Get over it, "Jews for Jesus". You are Christian.
Just so you should be clear, J for J and Messianic Judaism are considered blasphemy and idolatry in Judaism as it worships J & uses holy jewish vessels to accomplish this. Practicing J for J and Messianic, shows total ignorance of Judaism & what it stands for. If you want to practice it, just practice the Xtian side & you won't be guilty of capital sin in Judaism (or u can convert to Judaism but based on your obvious intentions, that would be unlikely.) Amen.
I should think that any reasonable person would walk away from this discussion with the realization that Psalm 2 does *not* support the idea of an eternally co-equal son of God, but rather of a human that is begotten. Hello?
I found the cursed meshumad's debating tactic to be hilarious. It should be pointed out that he was the one who was spiritually lost before embracing Christianity. If he knew the religion of his birth he would see the error of his ways. He makes up ridiculous arguments from the order of Psalms, and he makes allegations about a Judaism before the rabbis that make no sense.
J4J has no response to Tovia's arguments. The most important fact is, a formless, unchanging G-d would never incarnate!
Judaism is an all encompassing religion. It's incongruent with the J for J or Messianic Judaism. Why drink 10% alcohol (J for J, etc.) when u can have 200% alcohol). Judaism is the real 'Deal'. J for J thrives on sucking in ignorant, naive or clueless jews. If u want to really see what Judaism is, speak with an ordained Orthodox Rabbi!
If you resurrected Jesus today he would be surprised that there's a word wide religion named for him.
It was his disciple Saul (Paul) who marketed the concept around the world and it wasn't until Constantine the Roman emperor, converted to Christianity that it became a world religion.
Jesus was an Orthodox Jew who took a bad turn and was banned from the community.
I'm sorry, but I totally disagree with you. My friends daughter was raised by her Jewish mother (My friend), observing the Holiday's, Shabbat etc... so thus how do you say she is not Jewish? One cannot change ones Bloodline, Granted the Jews who are "Jews" for Jesus, are mislead and have diverted themselves away from Judaism, but if their mom is a Yid so are they!
If I was a Christian I think it could be a good solution for me as Christian to live the exact life that Jesus lived as a Jew and to be called a chosen people without compromising Jesus. I think it was the original Jeseus's idea, to convert gentiles to Judaism. To bring the real Lord to all nations. Judaism do not welcome no one, it's why Rabbis did not like the idea.
Jews can speak directly to G-d and need no advocate as Jesus.
Go, Tovia. Excellent, truth-filled, capable and respectful comments from Tovia, as always. I love the way he so effectively dispels the darkness and exposes the lies.
It comes down to the use and meaning of words and terms.
2000 years ago (and even today), if a Jew called himself a Son of God it was not the same thing as when a Roman called Caesar the son of god.
To the heathen minded, divinity was implied, not so for the Jew (and Jesus, who makes it clear he is NOT God, and that the heavenly father is the only God).
Wow. Rabbi Singer, is respectful and waits for Mr. Moskowitz's statement to rebut it. Yet Mr. Moskowitz, on a Christian radio show, is constantly interjecting over the Rabbi. Very rude.
Tovia killed this one and i say this a Muslima(female muslim)
fungial 11 months ago 4
You can be Jewish or you can be Christian. But you can't be both. By definition, Jews reject the Greek, or New, Testament. Get over it, "Jews for Jesus". You are Christian.
peraspira 1 year ago 15
Just so you should be clear, J for J and Messianic Judaism are considered blasphemy and idolatry in Judaism as it worships J & uses holy jewish vessels to accomplish this. Practicing J for J and Messianic, shows total ignorance of Judaism & what it stands for. If you want to practice it, just practice the Xtian side & you won't be guilty of capital sin in Judaism (or u can convert to Judaism but based on your obvious intentions, that would be unlikely.) Amen.
onthemoney90 1 year ago 7
I should think that any reasonable person would walk away from this discussion with the realization that Psalm 2 does *not* support the idea of an eternally co-equal son of God, but rather of a human that is begotten. Hello?
Trinity is STOOOOPID.
WoundedEgo 1 year ago
How does Jesus saying I am the son of God = I am God. Jesus never word-for-word said I am God
drksygma 1 year ago 7
As a muslim to be honest I must admit that Tovia got this one.
DrXoz 1 year ago 5
Jews for Jesus?? An absolute joke! How can a bastard be the Messiah?
TheLondonJew 1 year ago
Intersting debate..
rollinglibs101 1 year ago
tovia may come across well, recommended listening to his debate with Dr Michael Brown, you will see!! :)
smokeybirdman 1 year ago 2
If Jesus is the Messiah wouldn't it make sense for Jews to believe in Him?
chameleonz85 2 years ago
@chameleonz85 Key word being if. But jesus didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies, so he can't very well be called a messiah now can he?
humanistheart 1 year ago 3
I found the cursed meshumad's debating tactic to be hilarious. It should be pointed out that he was the one who was spiritually lost before embracing Christianity. If he knew the religion of his birth he would see the error of his ways. He makes up ridiculous arguments from the order of Psalms, and he makes allegations about a Judaism before the rabbis that make no sense.
J4J has no response to Tovia's arguments. The most important fact is, a formless, unchanging G-d would never incarnate!
appleacolyte 2 years ago 5
Judaism is an all encompassing religion. It's incongruent with the J for J or Messianic Judaism. Why drink 10% alcohol (J for J, etc.) when u can have 200% alcohol). Judaism is the real 'Deal'. J for J thrives on sucking in ignorant, naive or clueless jews. If u want to really see what Judaism is, speak with an ordained Orthodox Rabbi!
onthemoney90 2 years ago 11
Jews for Jesus is an oxymoron!
PLeighG 2 years ago 6
A Jewish Atheist is an oxymoron!
MrBiblia 2 years ago 6
This whole Jesus thing is a farce.
If you resurrected Jesus today he would be surprised that there's a word wide religion named for him.
It was his disciple Saul (Paul) who marketed the concept around the world and it wasn't until Constantine the Roman emperor, converted to Christianity that it became a world religion.
Jesus was an Orthodox Jew who took a bad turn and was banned from the community.
lakeeriejew 2 years ago
Once again Tovia Singer shoots down their already failed arguments in a way even the most uneducated Jew or Christian can understand.
Go Tovia, Go! Keep up the Great work.
mi6QBranch 2 years ago 11
Wow the J4J guy is such a tool!!
bleu551 2 years ago 10
Tovia Singer layed the smack DOWN
buddhaschild 2 years ago 40
Fortunately most "Jews" for "Jesus" are not
Jewish but gentiles.
Any Jew that falls into the Jews for Jsus trap
has fallen into idolatry.
SheitlQueen 2 years ago 9
I'm sorry, but I totally disagree with you. My friends daughter was raised by her Jewish mother (My friend), observing the Holiday's, Shabbat etc... so thus how do you say she is not Jewish? One cannot change ones Bloodline, Granted the Jews who are "Jews" for Jesus, are mislead and have diverted themselves away from Judaism, but if their mom is a Yid so are they!
MenechemShaul 2 years ago
@SheitlQueen
"Jews" for "Jesus" is good only for Christians.
If I was a Christian I think it could be a good solution for me as Christian to live the exact life that Jesus lived as a Jew and to be called a chosen people without compromising Jesus. I think it was the original Jeseus's idea, to convert gentiles to Judaism. To bring the real Lord to all nations. Judaism do not welcome no one, it's why Rabbis did not like the idea.
Jews can speak directly to G-d and need no advocate as Jesus.
levlevlevlev32 1 year ago 4
Go, Tovia. Excellent, truth-filled, capable and respectful comments from Tovia, as always. I love the way he so effectively dispels the darkness and exposes the lies.
AstridAsterix 2 years ago 18
It comes down to the use and meaning of words and terms.
2000 years ago (and even today), if a Jew called himself a Son of God it was not the same thing as when a Roman called Caesar the son of god.
To the heathen minded, divinity was implied, not so for the Jew (and Jesus, who makes it clear he is NOT God, and that the heavenly father is the only God).
Mortaryan 2 years ago 9
Wow. Rabbi Singer, is respectful and waits for Mr. Moskowitz's statement to rebut it. Yet Mr. Moskowitz, on a Christian radio show, is constantly interjecting over the Rabbi. Very rude.
Kittenkattan 2 years ago 16
Jews for Jesus = avodah zarah.
codej0 2 years ago 40
avodah zarah = idol worship
simpletoremember 2 years ago 5
Tovia singer has his shit together.
cheers
Tockwork 2 years ago 16