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  • Great video. Thanks once again.

  • This video is barely worth commenting on but I just wanted to point out that it's ironic that you showed flowers in the beginning, given your overall message and that the vast majority of flowering plants are natural hermaphrodites.

    The reason the video is worthless btw is because you claim that LGBT people in general hold a view which clearly they do not. I do not hold this "gender separatism" view and have never heard of anybody doing so.

  • JAMIE:

    "The reason the video is worthless is because you claim that LGBT

    people in general hold a view which clearly they do not. I do not hold

    this "gender separatism" view and have never heard of anybody doing so."

    >> Anything is only "worthless" to someone who doesn't understand

    value (or, in this case, VALUES). Just because YOU may not hold this

    particular view doesn't mean that that view doesn't exist. You're too busy

    trying to prove us wrong that you're just NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Whether or not the view exists is irrelevant to whether or not homosexuals in general hold it. Your video seems to imply that all or most homosexuals hold the views you describe... which clearly isn't the case.

  • Being anti heterosexual would mean disparaging people for being straight. Being anti heterosexual would be denying straight people the right to marry the partner of their choosing, or advocating that housing or employment discrimination on the basis of heterosexuality is acceptable. I don't see the gay community doing any of that. Being against the anti-gay movement is not the same as being against homosexuality. Those are two different things.

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Yep, you're a bigot.

  • No, Clel... that would be you, hater.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement I'm not a hater. I don't hate you FJ. I pity you. You are a lost cause. You will hate, misinform, harass, and deceive not because your beliefs are justified by evidence or reason, but because you are scared or a changing world, and too intellectually lazy or dishonest to re-evaluate your prejudices and you will live your entire life in the darkness of the hate and fear of an imaginary god.

  • CLEL:

    "I'm not a hater. I don't hate you FJ."

    >> Well, then you are a liar. Because if you weren't either a liar

    OR a hater, you wouldn't have gone so far as to accuse ME of being a bigot

    or calling me a "lost cause" without any valid evidence or reason to backup

    your claim other than my mere DISAPPROVAL and DISCERNMENT against

    gender separatism.

    The question I pose to you is WHY shouldn't men and women be together?

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement I'm a lesbian and ill answer your question as honestly as I can, I will take your word that you are an honest person and go from there.

    "The question I pose to you is WHY shouldn't men and women be together?" I have never heard anyone say that men and women should not be together. I have lots of straight friends and if being with the opposite gender makes them happy, i am happy for them. why can't you be happy for me because being with other women makes me happy?

  • An honest person I am, Firefly, and I should hope that if you're honest

    with yourself, you'll address us in full honesty and you'll also realize --

    before we go further -- that you are NOT Lesbian, but rather Canadian

    (already a major indicator of your position, AFAIC). If you are saying to us

    that you are homosexual, then say it as such. Homosexual men do not

    describe themselves with GEOGRAPHICAL TERMS. FJM is about

    EQUALITY, so if "gay" men are not Greek, "gay" women are NOT Lesbian.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement I am a lesbian Canadian, one denotes nationality the other my sexual preference. Lesbian is the correct term used to denote a woman that is sexually attracted to other women, I say lesbian instead of gay because with a name like fireflygamer I'm assumed to be a gay man, which i am not. You seem less and less honest as you split these hairs and read meaning into things I oviously did not mean, it seems like you are trying to pick a fight my dear.

  • To be honest with you, Firefly, the name "Firefly Gamer" does NOT

    necessarily denote a particular gender OR sexual preference. So

    unless I found deeper evidence other than you admitting to me that

    you were a homo-fem (homosexual female), I wouldn't have assumed

    you were either or.

    Now, let me also make it clear that while we REFUSE TO COMPROMISE

    the truth we speak, rest assured that you are treading on CIVIL grounds

    here at FJM, and you should have no fear of US picking any fights.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "the name "Firefly Gamer" does NOT necessarily denote a particular gender OR sexual preference." I agree, but most gamers are guys, im sorry to say i wish more girls played video games and more are all the time. but its still mostly guys and if I say Homosexual, or just gay people make assumptions and ask stupid questions so I use the correct term that best identifies me and that is lesbian, its commonly used and i can use it if i want to.

  • FIREFLY:

    "if I say Homosexual, or just gay people make assumptions

    and ask stupid questions"

    >> The only person who can ask a "stupid" question to anyone who

    uses the word "homosexual" is one who is oblivious to what

    homosexuality is. Other than that, it sounds as if you're drawing for

    straws looking for an escape from the FACT that homosexuality is

    STILL homosexuality, whether you're MALE OR FEMALE.

    (continued)

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement No I am a homosexual woman, I am a gay woman, I even consider myself a Queer woman, I have no problem calling myself that no what so ever, I will not call myself a homo-fem like you suggest, but I'm still going to go with I'm a lesbian because it gets the message across in one word with less characters. Plus i grew up knowing that what i was, a lesbian, that is as much part of my identity as a Canadian. so since everyone knows what lesbian means im going to keep using it.

  • Homo-fem is OUR term, because to be a Lesbian, your PLACE OF

    ORIGIN must be Lesbos. You can say "homosexual female" or "gay

    woman" if you wish, and we can afford to make THAT much of an

    accommodation, but don't expect us to call you a Lesbian because

    according to you (AND your passport), that's NOT what you are. For all

    we know, you more than likely have roots beyond that of Canada.

    The fact ALSO remains that everyone DOES NOT know what "Lesbian"

    truly means & that's where we come in.

    --FJ

  • FIREFLY: i have a different brain(men and women brains are different) and to avoid misunderstandings latter i like to identify myself as a lesbian" >> (continued) Other than that, men and women BOTH have the ability to read, write, sing, build, or destroy equally. What you've learned about male and female brains being "different" (other than physiologically complimentary functions) are nothing more than feminist socialization PROPAGANDA designed to PSYCHOLOGICALLY DIVIDE us. (TBC) --FJ
  • FIREFLY:

    i have a different brain(men and women brains are different) and to avoid

    misunderstandings latter i like to identify myself as a lesbian"

    >> (continued)

    2) As far as claiming to want to "avoiding misunderstandings", I don't buy it

    one bit. It's nothing more than a lame excuse to continue using what has

    ultimately become a female supremacist terminology.

    NO ONE will EVER be confused WHATSOEVER if you tell them you are "gay"

    or homosexual... NO ONE! You want equality? Show it!

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement I find the word homo to be derogatory and i will not use it. That word has a negative contention and its just as bad as calling a black person the N word. That word was used to verablly harass alot of people. Are you deliberately picking words that would be offensive? if you truly mean that last part of the comment and i have no reason to think you don't you might want to rethink your language choices.

  • FIREFLY: "I am a lesbian Canadian, one denotes nationality the other my sexual preference. Lesbian is the correct term used to denote a woman that is sexually attracted to other women." >> INCORRECT. Both "Lesbian" AND "Canadian" are GEOGRAPHICAL/ NATIONALITY DESCRIPTORS. "Lesbian" is ONLY correctly used to describe a native of the Greek island of Lesbos, which are both female AND male. Since when does being homosexual give anyone the right to eradicate the IDENTITY of a NATION? (TBC) -FJ
  • @FinalJusticeMovement No shit do you know why we women who love other women are called lesbians?? do you know do you know why that name was given to us? ill give you a hint her name was Sappho.

    we did not steal it, the scolers and doctors did back in the 19th century to describe female homosexuality, its part of the language now.

  • FIREFLY:

    "Lesbian is the correct term used to denote a woman that is sexually

    attracted to other women, I say lesbian instead of gay because with a

    name like fireflygamer I'm assumed to be a gay man."

    >> 1) The correct term for women who engages in sexual acts with

    other women is "homosexual". As a female who (assumingly) wants

    equality, you should practice what you preach, exercise "equality" in

    ALL aspects, and recognize that you are NO MORE SPECIAL than your

    "gay" male counterparts.

    --FJ

  • @FJM I never said i was more special then anyone, that something your are reading into my words. I am not more special then a gay man, but i am a different animal, i have a different brain(men and women brains are different) and to avoid misunderstandings latter i like to identify myself as a lesbian. That in no way suggests that i am any better or any more special then anyone else. I am really starting to question your honesty if you are reading that kind of stuff into what I said.

  • FIREFLY: "I never said i was more special then anyone, that something your are reading into my words." >> Homosexual men are known as "gay", not as GREEKS. So, when you equate yourself and the homosexual portion of YOUR GENDER with a NATION OF PEOPLE, what you are ACTUALLY doing (whether you realize it or not) is claiming SUPERIORITY over male homosexuals. FIREFLY: "I am not more special then a gay man, but i am a different animal" >> Funny. I thought you were a HUMAN BEING. (TBC) --FJ
  • @FinalJusticeMovement ok that pretty much settles it your nuts, I'm just using a word that in the content form of English means homosexual woman, the name given to us by people back in the 19th century. yes i am a human being, but i am also an animal, a mammal. it is also a saying "thats a different type of animal all together" can mean that the situation is different then what i seems.

  • Sorry, Firefly, but I couldn't resist, especially since homosexuals

    uniformly use the "humans are animals" argument in a thinly-veiled

    attempt to justify (ALL kinds of) animalistic sexual behavior. But since

    you mentioned animals and mammals, let's clarify. Animals are NOT

    THE SAME as mammals. A MAMMAL is an air-breathing sentient

    creature with the ability (on the mother's behalf) to feed children through

    MAMMARY glands. ANIMALS are also marsupial, sea creature,

    amphibian, or reptile.

    --FJ

  • FIREFLY:

    i have a different brain(men and women brains are different) and to avoid

    misunderstandings latter i like to identify myself as a lesbian"

    >> 1) Not only is what you said about the human brain the most openly

    sexist comment you've made thus far, but also further telling about how

    you view men and women. The HUMAN BRAIN is just that - HUMAN.

    The ONLY difference that our brains have are the components that

    operate our respective male and female organs.

    (TBC)

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement no you have a gender built into the structure of your brain, Females have a larger hypocampus, males brains have a bigger priotital cortex, these are the facts, but its not sexist because no judgement about what is better is being made. I think it is impotent to have the male and the female way of thinking in a society, I would never want to get ride of the men in my life, just because i like banging chicks. why would I? I love my male friends im just not in love with them.

  • FIREFLY:

    "I love my male friends im just not in love with them."

    >> The question is WHY? What kind of sick, twisted info did you

    absorb that ultimately brought you to the conclusion to write off

    men sexually? What is it that you don't "love" about them?

    And, by all means, PLEASE be honest. I can handle it.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement its really very simple when I look at men i never get the warm and fuzzies, the chemistry is not right. I also am attracted to soft bodies, and female bodies, thinking about boys in a sexual way just never felt right. I think a lot of boys get that felling when thinking about boys sexually could explain some of the uncomfortableness form some straight males with gay men in general. I feel that way every guy that hits on me, but I just say no thank, but do you want....

  • a beer and you can meet my girlfriend. I have actually made some very good friends this way.

  • You made FRIENDS with guys who were interested in you...

    by INSULTING them first with your declaration of homosexuality, and then

    by snidely suggesting that you can win their friendship with BOOZE,

    as if they were nothing more than indignant, drunken neanderthals

    as opposed to emotionally-capable human beings with minds to think?

    Do you think BEER could ever turn the tide of the Gender War and all the

    inequality heterosexual AND (a small portion of) homosexual men stand

    to face every day?

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement No I said im really sorry its not you but I just don't like boys in that way, but you seem pretty cool do you want to go have a beer. I just said i much cooler then this spelled out version, they were on the ball enough to get it. no I would offer him a beer because we were at a bar?? so i would invite him to join me and my friends for a beer on the patio, it was an excuse to get to know him and the best 6 bucks i ever spent.

  • AND, BY THE WAY, Firefly...

    Homosexuality is a CONSCIOUS, CHOSEN BEHAVIOR and has

    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with race/ethnicity,

    which is a GENETIC, IMMUTABLE TRAIT just like GENDER.

    So attempting to compare race with homosexuality is not only racist,

    but repugnant and reprehensible. I personally do not use the term

    "homo" and I NEVER DID, but in all technicality, the word is not only a

    SHORTFORM of the word "homosexual" than many of them use

    themselves, but the word in itself means "ONE".

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement actually since the psychological bases of homosexuality in based with in gender identity and sexuality. What happens is that I as a lesbian probably developed a male sexual identity (which is hardwired into the brain as it developers) and a female gender identity. So I identify myself as a woman that has the sexual tastes of a male, its just how I was born hun,

  • Wrong again, Firefly.

    The path to homosexuality is one that is first and foremost psychologically

    influenced by reprobate parenting, broken home experiences, sexual abuse,

    early exposure to sexual misconduct, social indoctrination and/or radical

    feminism. Whether or not you CONTINUE on that path is a matter of how

    you exercise whatever inner strength and sense of morality you have.

    NO ONE is born homosexual. The way you identify yourself was a choice

    YOU made, not genetics.

    -The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Then how do you explain me? I came from a wonderful middle class home, my parents were very supportive of me when I was young, I was never sexually abused or exposed to sexual misconduct, there was no indoctrination or radical feminism. In fact the only time me and my parents really fought was about me being gay. every scintific study would suggest you are wrong and that gays are born with the desire to be intimate with the same sex, I did not choice to be gay, i just am

  • FIREFLY:

    "I came from a wonderful middle class home, my parents were very supportive

    of me when I was young, I was never sexually abused or exposed to sexual

    misconduct, there was no indoctrination or radical feminism.

    In fact the only time me and my parents really fought was about me being gay.

    >> This means that your case is one of simple, unadulterated REBELLION

    (shame, I forgot to mention that). I guess having a sense of morality proved

    too much of a burden for you.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "This means that your case is one of simple, unadulterated REBELLION (shame, I forgot to mention that). I guess having a sense of morality proved too much of a burden for you." now your make shit up as soon as I indicate that your wrong you pull this gem out of your ass. every teen rebels a little, its part of growing up now you have an excuse to think what you want and ignore all the evidence and testimonies to say your wrong, I guess you lied about being an honest person.

  • I pulled nothing out of anywhere, Firefly.

    If the way someone was influenced into homosexuality was not by

    abuse, coercion, reprobate parenting, or indoctrination/socialization,

    then it was self-driven by a rebellious mindset. People DO make their

    own decisions, you know. I have no problem with disagreement and

    I have never denied the testimonies and manufactured stats that favor

    the homosexualist agenda, but YOU are denying GENERATIONS of

    factual research that clearly cancels them out.

    --FJ

  • FIREFLY:

    "every scintific study would suggest you are wrong

    and that gays are born with the desire to be intimate with the same sex"

    >> Now, you're either lying or you don't realize JUST how much Kool-Aid

    you've consumed. The VAST majority of all unbiased, untainted studies

    regarding the path to homosexuality (that are NOT commissioned by

    homosexualist organizations) dictate what I said earlier.

    If EVERY study said that homosexuality was genetic and PROVED it,

    WE WOULDN'T EXIST! Think!

    --FJ

  • @FinalJustice I'm sorry that you think that every scientific study that dose not agree with you is part of so conspiracy to spread lies, but thats not the case, I have actually read the studies and understand what i am talking about you do not.I also did not say genetic, I said brain development caused by hormonal spikes while the baby is still in the womb.

    what are you talking about we would not exist, even if everyone was gay, men and women would still have sex just to make babies if need be.

  • FREFLY: "even if everyone was gay, men and women would still have sex just to make babies if need be." >> So, what you're suggesting is that men and women are no more than robots who bang on each other and occasionally manufacture new robots for the same process in that vicious cycle? Do you take humanity to be THAT primitive? Are you also suggesting that men and women never had a purpose for one another other than mere reproduction? Sounds like radical feminism talking. --The Final Justice
  • @FinalJusticeMovement No they are not robots, i never said that, again you put words in my mouth you seem to like strewman arguments, probably because you cant win an argument any other way. No men and women are not robots, but they will suffer a lot of discomfort in order to bring a baby into this world. Just look at what child brith dose to a woman body and we are happy to go through that for a child, so uncomfortable sex is a small price to pay for a baby.

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "Are you also suggesting that men and women never had a purpose for one another other than mere reproduction? Sounds like radical feminism talking" no i never said that again you put words in my mouth. It was a hypothetical situation were everyone in the world was gay. I think that both genders are impotent, just because I don't fall in love with the opponent gender or wish to have sex with them dose not mean I do not see there value. stop misrepresenting my argument!

  • FIREFLY:

    "you have a gender built into the structure of your brain"

    >> Well, I DID mention that the brain operates according to your birth gender

    so there's no argument there. But if you're trying to suggest that gender

    is MENTAL as opposed to PHYSICAL, I refuse in advance to entertain that

    line of propaganda. If gender wasn't real, homosexuality wouldn't be an

    issue and gender separatism wouldn't exist.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement its mental in the sense gender is the function of the brain, but the structure as you develop hard wire gender into our brains and therefor effects our behavior. The Brains are Physically different and that effects how men and women think. I just think it takes time to develop the brain and hormone spikes might cause one part of the brain to develop more towards the opposite gender. It would explain gay and transgendered people.

  • FIREFLY:

    "I have never heard anyone say that men and women should not be together."

    >> Obviously, you've never heard of radical feminists -- many of whom are

    homosexual and most of which are homosexualISTS. Furthermore, the

    overall homosexualist / anarcho-atheist ideology condemns even any REMOTE

    defense of the male/female dynamic. So, YES, THEY ARE saying that men and

    women should NOT be together -- directly and mostly INDIRECTLY.

    (to be continued)

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Yes i have head of radical feminism, I tend to do the same thing with them as i do with radical Christians like the West borrow baptist church, or Radical Muslim terrorists or any other radical group. I ignore them because there are always going to be crazy people saying crazy things. So since you like to nit pick let me rephrase, I have not heard any sane person seriously suggest that men and women should be together.

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "Furthermore, the overall homosexualist / anarcho-atheist ideology condemns even any REMOTE defense of the male/female dynamic." They say not such thing because what you call defense of the male female dynamic is an attack on my rights. They want to make gay marriage illegal to defend the male female relationship? how is me wanting marring my girlfriend an attack on heterosexuals?

  • FIREFLY:

    "why can't you be happy for me because

    being with other women makes me happy?"

    >> Well, how can I be happy for you, in all honesty, when (technically), you're

    actually NOT happy -- particularly with men? How can I be happy for you

    when you're basically declaring to the world that men make you UN-happy?

    What is it in your experience that incited you to write off the ENTIRE MALE

    GENDER? More to the point, what could possibly make you "happy" about

    the separation of men and women?

    -FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement So I assume you do not want to have a sexual relationship with a man right? so are you not also doing the same thing i am??

    I am happy being a loving committed relationship with other women, it dose not mean I want to write all the men out of my life. I work in video game design, the vast majority of my co-workers and friends are men and i love them all. I would not be happy if men were separated from women, i just don't want to do is have sex with men, thats it.

  • I'm in a man woman relationship, and I am not a bigot. I have tons of friends in the lgbt community, and I am pansexual myself. I like the same gender waaaaaaay more. like exclusively but I can love anyone. Most ppl assume I'm straight, and no one assumes I'm a bigot.

    Maybe its the way that you talk about wanting to keep your kids from knowing that ppl are gay that makes it bigotry. Being white isn't bigotry, but sheltering kids from seeing black ppl exist is.

  • BLEEDING ROSE: "Maybe its the way that you talk about wanting to keep your kids from knowing that ppl are gay that makes it bigotry." >> It's not about keeping kids from knowing that homosexuals exist, but rather about preventing them from engaging in physically, emotionally, spiritually, and politically dangerous behaviors AT A YOUNG AGE. ROSE: "Being white isn't bigotry, but sheltering kids from seeing black ppl exist is." True, but ethnicity is NOT homosexuality. --FJ
  • honestly

    really stupid video

    you really dont know what gay people feel

    we never said straight marriage were all bigots

    we dont want everyone to be gay

    unless you are gay u cannot say what it is like to be a gay person

  • IRISIH FRIENDS FAN: "you really dont know what gay people feel" >> Actually, I do. Many of them are feeling DEEP, HORRIFIC PAIN -- NOT from disapproving heterosexuals or even religion, but often from the lack of love and attention they needed as youths, OR from coercive sexual abuse from elders. As such, most of them are DEATHLY AFRAID to admit their pain and homosexualists will NOT allow such TRUTHFUL commentary hit the ears and eyes of the media. (to be continued) --The Final Justice
  • IRISIH FRIENDS FAN:

    "you really dont know what gay people feel"

    >> On the other hand, many homosexuals possess a cold, calculated,

    heartless, anarchistic frame of mind. The position of THOSE particular

    homosexuals is one that seeks to completely obliterate and destroy

    the concept of spiritual guidance, family unity and gender equality and

    replace unified decent, law-abiding society with a sexually-driven,

    self-destructive, morally-decrepit, and politically-divided society.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement what!!! ok you really have no idea what you are talking about

    homosexauls heartless? homos are the most loving and accepting people on earth as we know what it feels like to get shit from others

    u have no idea

    and we have no positon or seeks to destroy blah blah

    we seek acceptance for everyone

    we want love

    we dont want to take over

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Love is the person not the gender. That is what is found in nature. My chihuahua is gay, I have caught him having gay sex with a poodle, many many times, and he ignores the female chihuahuas in the neighborhood, 100%.

    Its not a choice, and no one says heterosexuality is bigotry, we just say that exclusively giving rights to one group while denying another group simply based on gender, is wrong, immoral, and bigoted.

  • IRISH FRIENDS FAN: "we never said straight marriage were all bigots". >> Either you're lying or you're just not paying attention. There is even a video that was released on August 12 by a sexual anarchist that CONFIRMED IN THEIR TITLE exactly what our title says and what THEIR message conveys about the male/female dynamic. This is a POWER issue. IFF: "we dont want everyone to be gay" >> So, then, WHY are homosexuals CONSISTENTLY PRESSURING straights to JOIN or ACCEPT the ritual? (TBC) -FJ
  • @FinalJusticeMovement so ur going to believe one person

    for gods sake everyone is different

    i and millions of others of homos dont think hetros are all bigots

    how stupid are u

  • @FinalJusticeMovement we never tell anyone to join it, we ask for acceptance as human beings. Women are equal to men, blacks are equal to whites, gays are equal to straights, atheists are equal to christians.

    We are all human, and we all deserve respect.

  • IRISH FRIENDS FAN:

    "unless you are gay u cannot say what it is like to be a gay person"

    >> Sorry but you're wrong, especially when you consider how many

    homosexuals have attested to being straight (which is the DEFAULT

    framework of all mammalian, insect, and amphibian life) before they

    CHOSE their new path of homosexuality. A heterosexual could

    easily commit a homosexual act today if he or she decided to

    and if they continued with it (and managed to escape it),

    they'd know what it's like.

    -FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement lol nope totally wrong bro

    i feel happy and free

    as people in my town and school accept me and dont care

    i wodnt be near as happy as a hetro

  • @FinalJusticeMovement I was born the way I am. I never chose the natural attractions I have. I never chose to like brunettes over blondes, or women over men. Learn basic science. And me sleeping with men is not an easy choice. I love my bf, but thinking about straight sex really grosses me out, in the same way I assume that taking it up the ass would gross you out. I'm willing to try, because of my love, but if it was any other guy there is no way I could ever do that. at all.

  • My response to your suggestion that you're the one grounded in reality is this: LOL!

  • C'est la vie, Apply.

    Laugh on... to your own demise.

    --The Final Justice

  • Hard to believe somebody actually spent time and money producing this garbled collection of words and "thoughts." Thank goodness it's so goofy; no one but a nut cake who can't be helped anyway would see any sense in it.

    Sure convinces me, though. I mean, the next time I spot a "homosexualist," I'll know who I'm dealin' with. LOL

  • Well, look no further than your very own mirror, confused one,

    for if you do, you'll spot a homosexualist right away.

    You may want to consider going for your GED or getting some glasses

    as well, because if you see the "collection of words and thoughts" in this

    PSA as "garbled", then obviously you are either partially blind or your level

    of education was limited mostly to wild parties. Perhaps you're the nutcase

    at hand. Why not talk it over with me?  I'm willing to listen.

    --The Final Justice

  • If you have to ask, "Why not talk it over with me?", then you're not equipped for any meaningful, open-minded, non-fundamentalist, evidence-based, reasoned conversation. —So says this "confused" "homosexualist" who needs glasses & education.

    In the name of God or Zeus or Apollo (pick one), get a grip!

  • Apparently, your username is superficial at best,

    since you obviously appear too oblivious to live up to it.

    The idea of me aksing "Why not talk it over with me" is to ENGAGE in a

    non-biased, meaningful, open-minded (and by that, I mean the ACTUAL

    DEFINITION of the word), truth-laced, and reasoned conversation with you.

    The idea is to bring you to grips... with REALITY. So what say you?

    Are you ready to face the truth for once... or can you not fathom to try handling it?

    --The Final Justice

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  • In your caption, you ask what is wrong with being heterosexual. There's nothing wrong with being a heterosexual. Just because you are a heterosexual doesn't make you a bigot, anymore than being white makes you a racist.

    However, defending heterosexuality is NOT what you are doing. You are saying that because gay people want their rights, that we are somehow taking away from yours. And when you deny us of those rights, only because we are gay, then yes, you are a bigot!

  • And therein lies your "straw man" argument. See, you accuse gays of calling you a bigot...TRUE! Because you are a heterosexual...FALSE! If the shoe fits...well, you know how the rest of the saying goes.

  • wht cant we all just be bi... .-.

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  • Oh and I saw your other videos, like the PSA with the little girl falsely accusing someone of rape...It's a real peach:)

  • Are you under the delusion that women cannot falsely accuse men

    and/or boys of rape?... Or are you under the delusion that females

    are just innocent little flowers? Time for a wake-up call, John!

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Yeah, let's scare the little girls so that they are afraid to tell anyone. My favorite part of the PSA was "Redefine what it means to be a woman" and then..."brought to you by the Men's Movement Worldwide and A Voice For Men Radio, your little red pill against the matirix fem-supremacist matriarchy" Yeah, maybe Men's Radio should redefine what it means to be a woman...LOL!

  • You didn't answer the question, drone.

    Maybe you should listen to the show for a change.,

    YOU might learn that you're actually a MAN in real life.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "Drone" LOL! I've been called much worse by far better people. "A man in real life", Honey, I don't need someone to tell me HOW to think or WHAT I am. I looked at your videos. You're just a bunch of woman haters. It must be, because gay men sometimes think like women, that you hate them too. All I can say is that the Feminist movement happened, and there are indeed women in politics and the workforce...Get over it already!

  • Wrong, John.

    I am heterosexual, so I could NEVER hate women.

    YOU, on the other hand have rejected and abandoned the female

    half of the male/female dynamic for whatever reason (none of it

    justified or justifiable), which makes YOU a woman-hater by default.

    You may want to reevaluate your vocabulary after that lame blunder.

    And NO, we will not get over the hatred of the feminist movement,

    because as long as it exists, the repercussions for ALL people

    (yourself included) will be dire.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Maybe you should get Spanky and Alfalfa together and go to raid Darla's slumber party.

  • @john422401 how bout you shut you stpid filthy mouth up, you dont know SHIT about women.

  • @kaiteCOD1213 Why the hell are you upset at me? I'm not the one who created this video. LOL! I DO know that the best person to tell a girl how to define womanhood is NOT a man.

  • JOHN 422401:

    I DO know that the best person to tell a girl

    how to define womanhood is NOT a man."

    >> Well, at least there's SOMETHING we can agree on, John.

    Now, if you could tell women that very same thing in reverse,

    that would be super-sweet.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "I am heterosexual, so I could NEVER hate women."

    What a ludicrous statement.

    "none of it justified or justifiable"

    How can you even pretend to know me, and determine what is justifiable to me?"

    "which makes YOU a woman-hater by default"

    I don't hate women, I'm just not attracted to them (romantically) or want to sleep with them. Everything else, I am totally fine with. You can't ascribe "default" to something, just because it doesn't agree with your thinking.

  • @john422401 kay bye.

  • Perhaps I should say: LOL

    Unless it would be more appropriate to say: ROFL

    Anyway, I think you're doing fairly good with your funny video! I would certainly love to see other videos like that. Such blatant ignorance can't be ignored, and exposing it to the worlds allows for everyone to entertain themselves with it! Of course, I would get tired of it quite soon, but once in a while, it's always worth a good laugh.

    Congrat!

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  • The only things being exposed here, Kittenful, are the true motives,

    intents and purposes of the homosexualist agenda. You cannot

    find or point out any instance of "Ignorance" in this video. Your

    incorrect use of the word "ignorance" as a code word to describe

    truthful opposition of the homosexualist agenda is truly tiresome.

    I would respect you more if you were more original with your

    regurgitation of bigoted anti-hetero, pro-genocidal propaganda.

    Laugh on, Kitty, straight to your grave.

    -FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    ...

    Nice, I gotta just love the image. Laughing straight to my grave, sounds like a pretty fun life to live. I should probably agree with you though, it probably more like full blown lies then ignorance, but I like to give the benefit of the doubt to the runner. Ignorance is a tad bit more respectful then a harsh accusation of lie. You see, I have yet to see any message encouraging heterosexual people to start hating people of the opposite sex. [...]

  • [...]

    It might be that I am not close enough to the homosexual community, which could be the case since I'm not all the active the gay community, but as someone seen by most as a heterosexual, never I've been bothered by anyone or pushed to hate women. Unless that agenda is so slick that no one can actually be influenced by it, which would pointless, I'd be tempted to say that there is no such agenda. [...]

  • [...] So, in conclusion, it was a pleasure having fun in this youtube argument. Trolls have their way to get people gathering around them to troll even more. Let's just hope we don't see the sun too soon, 'less we'll all turn into stones.

  • I must admit, Kittenful, that I actually enjoyed your last post.

    And this statement in particular caught my eye:

    "I have yet to see any message encouraging heterosexual people

    to start hating people of the opposite sex."

    I have three words for you: "The SCUM Manifesto".

    This is a great place for you to find these messages for yourself.

    --The Final Justice

  • This was the dumbest thing I have ever seen.  I take that back...Every time I say that, something dumber comes along, so this is the dumbest thing I have seen as of yet.

  • JOHN 422401:

    "This was the dumbest thing I have ever seen. I take that back.

    Every time I say that, something dumber comes along,

    so this is the dumbest thing I have seen as of yet."

    >> You're right. Something dumber does come along whenever

    a dum-dum says something as dumb as you did, dum-dum.

    And that something dumber (needless to say) was YOU, dum-dum.

    Why not explain in detail why you think this PSA could ever be dumb

    (other than that you are a homosexual drone who hates the truth)?

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement ....Hahahahah! Stooping to "I know you are but what am I" as a comeback. I don't really need to reply to the stupidity of this video. It speaks for itself! Plus there isn't enough room in this box to point out all of your failed logic.

  • Go ahead and try me, John. You could NEVER explain any failed logic

    because our logic is factual and correct. Furthermore, we don't need

    any "extra room", John -- You're proving the point of this video with

    your instant emotionally-charged snap-judgment of this video on account

    of its strong statement against the social experimentation you support.

    not to mention the typical naysaying and name-calling. If this video truly

    WAS ignorant or illogical, you would at least TRY to prove it.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement  Emotionally charged??? There is only one emotionally charged person replying to this video. When God blesses us in some ways, he curses us in others. Honey, you must be really pretty:)

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    Ok... heterosexuals are NOT bigots, but you ARE one of them!

    Feminists and people like you ARE bigots!

    There is no clear difference between homosexual and heterosexual couple, except a non sense interpretation of an bronze-age magic book that says that being gay deserve death penalty!

  • HEDLEY PANAMA:

    "Ok... heterosexuals are NOT bigots, but you ARE one of them!"

    >> OK. We've established that I am indeed heterosexual.  Your point?

    HEDLEY: Feminists and people like you ARE bigots!

    >> People like ME? People who would rather men and women be UNITED

    and EQUAL? How is that bigoted? And you're obviously a feminist, so

    what does that make you?

    (to be continued)

    --The Final Justice

  • HEDLEY PANAMA:

    "There is no clear difference between homosexual and heterosexual couple..."

    >> Uh... YES, THERE IS, Hedley!

    Heterosexual couples UNITE and BOND men and women and (potentially)

    extending their bloodline by the new life they create, which will, in turn, be

    provided with the love of a MOTHER and a FATHER.

    Homosexual pairings are the COMPLETE OPPOSITE, as there is NO extended

    bloodline, no love, and no respect for the balance of the male/female dynamic.

    --The Final Justice

  • HEDLEY PANAMA:

    "...except a non sense interpretation of an bronze-age magic book that

    says that being gay deserve death penalty"

    >> Sorry! But I don't recall ANYWHERE in any books or accounts written

    by Harry Houdini or David Copperfield EVER speaking of serving up

    the death penalty to homosexuals. But then again, nobody said much

    about when two homosexual men raped and killed a 13-year-old-boy

    in Lawrence, Kansas in 1999 either. Sounds like a double-edged sword.

    --The Final Justice

  • The actual bigotry is feminism and the homosexuality. The problem is there is a terrible sexual hypocrisy in the society. And there is a false tolerance too. According to this false tolerance fighting against the nature is progressive. And also the technology is there for destroy the nature. These hypocrites are falsely combining all of the things that are low in evolution with the progress of science and the technology. Today every thing has gone in their favor. We must change this situation.

  • That we must, Dulanthad. I couldn't have said it better myself.

    Spread this video around and let our respective messages be heard.

    --The Final Justice

  • heterosexuality is a sinn today this is just another imposition that benefits some people

  • Omfg, "unregulated" homosexuality? Skeery. Lol.

    This vid is failtastic.

  • Best comedy sketch ever haha.

  • Necro... You were having a dream about SNL!

    This is FJM! TIME TO WAKE UP!

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Hahaha, don't flatter yourself. The only thing that would change if everyone in the world was gay is that people would choose when they want children born which would lead to better population control, the elimination of accidental births, and as a result better world economy and less starvation. Quit crying like a little bitch, we own you and soon we'll give you the gay disease too :3 I hope you like Sex & the City and giving rimjobs, because it's in your future! Bwahahaha

  • Well, Necro,

    Thanks for that very revealing little elitist scum soliloquy of yours.

    Really entertaining and fun to read.

    Now, if you don't mind, I have some Birkenstocks.of yours to burn.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement OOH can I come? I love burning shit, especially religious bigots :D

  • Point out the religious bigots, because... I don't see them.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement No no, I think Necro is absolutely right, because this video is beyond absurd. Kudos for the sarcasm, because none can tell me someone actually was serious about this video.

  • As a homosexual, I don't believe heterosexuals are all bigoted. Bigoted people are bigoted. Bigoted homosexuals are bigoted. Bigoted heterosexuals are bigoted.

    Sexuality has nothing to do with bigotry. The only thing homosexuals stand for against heterosexuals is when some heterosexuals believe they're a higher human being and therefore deserve more rights than we do.

  • I appreciate the comment, Frostbite. But, here's the deal.

    NO HETEROSEXUAL is claiming SUPERIORITY over a homosexual.

    They are just opposing practices that are extremely detrimental to

    society, to children, to the male/female dynamic, and to humanity.

    When homosexuals do so much as label a mother BIGOTED for

    DEFENDING natural gender development -- in this case, the mother

    was Sherri Shepherd of "The View", THAT'S PRIME EVIDENCE

    of the true nature of homosexualism and WHY it's destructive.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    When you say homosexuals ate detrimental to society, your sub conscious belief is that heterosexuals are superior to homosexuals. And we're detrimental to society in what ways? You do realize MANY heterosexual relationships in highschools and college are influenced POSITIVELY by homosexuals? I encourage girls all the time "just tell him you like him." or counsel them into making their relationships better. Is THAT detrimental to the male/female dynamic?

  • Let me make myself a little clearer before I go further, Scott.

    I said that homosexual-ISTS and homosexual-ISM are detrimental

    to society. Every case is different and any ONE homosexual CAN

    CHANGE their direction away from practicing such behavior, or at the

    least, keep his or her business more private. But homosexualists

    are people (both "gay" AND straight) who ENCOURAGE AND IMPOSE

    an IDEOLOGY that men and women are NOT NECESSARY for one another

    and should be permanently separated.

    --FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    OH. Wow, you went to my channel. haha

    I didn't think people like that existed O_o. I mean, everyone came from a man and a woman.. I mean, some came indirectly through like, in vitro, but still, the vast vast majority came from a heterosexual relationship.

    It's stupid to try to impose homosexuality on someone xD I mean, if they're not sexually attracted to the same sex, they're straight. and always will be. Even if they claim to be gay. Unless they WERE gay and acting str8.

  • In regards to you noble deeds to help male/female relationships,

    I must commend you. I also notice that you only encourage girls.

    Are there any fellow men that you speak to in regards to their girlfriends?

    But I'm interested to know, Scott. -- just how, in your experience, do

    homosexuals POSITIVELY influence male/female relationships in

    college and highschools, especially considering that many homosexuals

    follow a radical anarchistic and gender separatist agenda?

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    Well, the guys have pretty much all [except a few] alienated me. So I can't really give them advice if they're unwilling to acknowledge me or listen. and girls, if they know any, ask their gay friends about guys all the time? Why? because technically we're still guys and we have some of the same mentalities. not to mention, being a guy, we know more about the guys than the girls do. So we can influence them to get together or do things better. I don't do either of those

  • @FinalJusticeMovement [continued] things... perhaps you've met the wrong homosexuals xD

  • @CallMeFrostbite um heterosexuals do deserve rights over the gays. gays doesnt fit in nature or the continuance of life. why give "special" rights for perversion. makes no sence. XXXstores have blacked out windows to keep out of public view. gay only represent a sexual method & also should not be viewed in public. quit begging for the world to pretend along with you. straight is superior we multiply. if left alone gay would go extinct.

  • @MADRAVN420

    Oh yes, because rights are attributed because you can reproduce. Riiiiiiiight.

    What do you think we live in? Socialism? xD

    xxxstores sell mostly hetero things, by the way. We get a little section in a corner. So they're not blacking out windows just for us. And we don't deserve "Special rights" just "equal rights"

    Fun fact: Homosexuality is found in over 450 species of animals. Prejudice against it is only found in 1. Which seems more natural?

  • Consider the following, Scott:

    1) Humans are not animals.

    2) Animals who engage in "mounting" are NEVER EXCLUSIVE to it. They STILL

    know and understand the essence and the TRUE nature of the mating bond.

    3) There is NO SUCH THING as a transgendered hippopotamus.

    4) Homosexuals claim to want equality, so why is the transgender man

    who MACED a LITTLE BOY (SITTING DOWN on a train) STILL free?

    5) Porn shops sell homosexuality ACROSS THE BOARD.

    It's just that FEMALE homosexuality is MAINSTREAM!

    -FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    1) what the hell religion are you? xD

    2) There's been plenty of cases where penguins and other animals exclusively stuck with one gay mate.

    3) Only because they lack the technology and understanding.

    4) Because the mother wasn't smart enough to press charges.

    5) Female homosexuality is craved my hetero-men.. not our fault..

    6) I'm bored of these comments.

  • 1) I am of no religion. 2) You're reading from a homo-propaganda children's book. 3) Nature overrules technology EVERYTIME. And the fact that you suggested that hippos need TECHNOLOGY to become transgendered proves my point hands down. 4) The mother COULDN'T press charges because HER EYES WERE SPRAYED and THE PERVERT ESCAPED! SCOTT: "Female homosexuality is craved my hetero-men". 5) No -- WOMEN are craved by hetero-men! Men who enjoy homo-fem activity are blind woman worshippers! --FJ
  • @CallMeFrostbite no gays want special rights to further their "pretend lyfestyle". they want to pretend to be a real couple. sorry but gay is just not part of natures way. therefore no reason to give special rights. & my statement about the blacked out windows meant sex is not a public thing & also gays should not be publicly displayed. gays envy what they call breeders. thats why they assault everything they hold dear.

  • @MADRAVN420

    I'm sorry, but you're a seriously delusioned, mis-informed human being. xD

  • @CallMeFrostbite nope, im just not brainwashed by the media & the bullshit lies of the gay movement. i dont care what gays do as long as they keep it out of the public. be gay all you want but not in public. gays wanting to be fuul blown gay in public have no respect for people around them. there is no need to call attention to yourself announcing sexuality in public unless in a place to do so. all i ask is for the respect to not be all out in public, be gay in gay places not public,follow?

  • @MADRAVN420

    Ohhhh honey. That's just stupid. Straight people walk around displaying acts of straight-ness all the time. We're not going to be all completely private just because of your supremacy complex. XD

  • @CallMeFrostbite sex & or sexualy display of any kind in public is not to be accepted. its just something that should be left for those who want to see & or participate. gays are just far more out about what they do in public. besides straight is natural & how you came to be on this earth. gay is not natural no matter what way you look @ it(creationist,darwinist,scien­tist) it is only a differny way of getting off. lol & you use supremacy like a fool, the race card will never apply to perversion

  • @MADRAVN420

    Your ignorance continues to astound me. I'm no longer wasting my words on your lack of intelligence, troll. <3

  • @CallMeFrostbite ofcourse you dont understand your brainwashed into thinking what you do & stand for is a good cause.

  • Scott,

    Why do call something ignorant when it doesn't agree with your mindset?

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    I call something ignorant when it's on a topic that the other person couldn't possibly know more about than me.

    Stupid fricking conspiracy theorists.

  • Try me, Scott.

    What is it that you THINK heterosexuals don't know about homosexuality?

    Would you say it wise for a NON-drug user to TRY drugs in order to know

    what it's about, when he or she ALREADY KNOWS the consequences of

    such an act? Or do you consider that another "conspiracy theory"?

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    That's the thing, if you "tried" gay sex, you wouldn't get what gay people get. We have the innate attraction to the same sex. So if a straight person has sex with the same sex, they don't feel the same. They feel uncomfortable, turned off.

    I consider your ideas of "people are acting gay and all doing the same thing to try to destroy the world!" conspiracy theorism.

  • Scott,

    You should never confuse an INSATIABLE DESIRE TO INDULGE in

    deviant LUST sexual practices (no matter WHAT category) with so-called

    INNATE ATTRACTION.

    While some homosexuals have their methods and their preferences as to

    how they engage in their behavior, their "attraction" has NOTHING to do

    with a profound, genuine attraction to another human being, but rather

    to physical gratification (and in many cases, a desperate longing for

    interpersonal closeness).

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    Ummm you're a moron. I'm sorry, but you're just a conspiracy-theory-riddled troll who obviously has problems with themselves and everyone around them.

    I'm not just PHYSICALLY attracted to males. I've never felt "love love" towards a girl. I've felt love as in, "I'd save you from a burning building" but not "I'd do anything for you as long as you were happy" love. I'd be perfectly happy just dating the guy I like and NEVER having sex as long as he were happy. Ignorant fool.

  • Nothing more you can argue against the truth I speak, eh, Scott?

    Now, it's name calling? Maybe I ought to try it on you.

    Instead of "CallMeFrostbite", I hereby pronounce you "CallMeEpicFail".

    What a shame. Ah, well.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    Oh yes, you're oh so smart. You degenerate. People like you are the reason the human race isn't able to go as far as it can. You hold us back.

    And wow, that has to be the most original insult I've ever seen.. Really, ever.

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "While some homosexuals have their methods and their preferences as to how they engage in their behavior, their "attraction" has NOTHING to do with a profound, genuine attraction to another human being, but rather to physical gratification (and in many cases, a desperate longing for interpersonal closeness)." ---> Can you please site your research papers or scientific publications on which you base such comments. Thanks.

  • CH,

    Since you will only discredit any evidence or research I give you anyway,

    I'll do you one better -- You present to US some research FROM UNBIASED,

    NON-HOMOSEXUALIST sources that can prove what you quoted to the

    contrary, and we'll talk further. You can find many homosexuals POURING

    THEIR HEARTS OUT telling us exactly what you quoted in but so many words.

    Whether or not YOU will admit and attest to that is on you.

    We KNOW what we're dealing with and that's why we don't fear homosexuals.

    -FJ

  • @FinalJusticeMovement Nothing to support your statements? Then STFU! Dont complain when you are called a bigot or homophobe because you have that VERY WELL deserved.

  • Oh, we have EVERYTHING to back up our statements, CH.

    You just have nothing to refute the truth we speak,

    just like EVERYONE ELSE who has tried before you.

    I don't complain when people speak out of their asses against us.

    We KNOW what we REALLY are, and most importantly,

    we know who THEY are, and they HATE us for it.

    We can ACTUALLY DEFINE the words "bigot" and "homophobe" with logic.

    Thanks for proving absolutely nothing except your OWN willful ignorance.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement You have everything to back up your statements? SHOW ME. The one who talks from his ass is you bud. Just spewing your irrational ideas is worthless, but keep doing it. Idiots like you and Fred Phelps help the gay movement immensely by showing how much hate and irrational bigotry towards the GLBT community is out there. Keep up the good work and thanks again.

  • CH 5342:

    "...spewing your irrational ideas is worthless..."

    >> You're proving the point of this video, bud.

    YOU seem to have an irrational hatred and disdain toward people

    who defend the male/female dynamic. The GBT community always

    demands and cries out for tolerance, but yet will NEVER tolerate a

    non-hateful opposing view. THAT is called hypocrisy!

    Where's the hate in this video? I don't even KNOW you to hate you.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "You're proving the point of this video, bud." --> Point? Does it have one? I still think its a satricial video.

    "YOU seem to have an irrational hatred and disdain toward people who defend the male/female dynamic. " --> Absolutely nope. You arrive to conclusions too fast. You are gonna hurt yourself. Besides, who's defending str8 marriage? YOU? Dont make me laugh harder please Im gonna throw up.

    Hey, where are all those studies you base your comments on?Im waiting (LOL!)

  • You know, CH...

    I hear throwing up tends to happen QUITE A BIT in the homosexual circle.

    Anyway, here are some starters for the reference you requested:

    "The SCUM Manifesto" by Valerie Solanas, 1968

    "Gay Revolutionary" by Michael Swift (Gay Community News article), 1987

    "The Bridal Wave" by Michelangelo Signorile (OUT Magazine article), 1994

    NOW... YOUR TURN!

    Prove to us that these documents don't exist!

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement

    "The SCUM Manifesto"--> First, how is this related to homosexuality. Second, 1968? No wonder why you think like a troglodyte. Note: This is NOT a scientific paper or research.

    "Gay Revolutionary" --> This is how stupid you are. This is a SATIRICAL article LOL! Again: This is NOT a scientific paper or research.

    "The Bridal Wave" -->How does this support your irrational points??? and AGAIN: This is NOT a scientific paper or research.

    Is that all you have? PATHETIC!

  • CH 5342:

    "Idiots like you and Fred Phelps help the gay movement immensely..."

    >> The FJM is NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to being associated with the WBC,

    so it looks like the only idiot here between the two of us... is YOU!

    Nice try, dum-dum.

    But here's some advice -- NEVER USE YOUR EMOTIONS TO DEBATE

    WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW OR DON'T UNDERSTAND!

    Ask questions instead. Find out where we are REALLY coming from.

    --The Final Justice

  • @FinalJusticeMovement "The FJM is NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE to being associated with the WBC" --> And where did I say that? I just said that idiots of the caliber of you or Fred Phelps (with a different bigoted message) contribute to the gay community more than they think. Again, I thank you for your support.

    "NEVER USE YOUR EMOTIONS TO DEBATE" --> Very much true. However I cant debate with myself cause you have nothing to put on the table to debate, so Im having fun w