These little parts from the bible are only sections that could be easily misinterpreted. For example when you read Psalms 137:1, yes they do say that harsh part but what the writer is saying is to treat the babylonians the way they treated us. The writer is crying out for judgement.
@robotzorro "How about adding the passage that says that eating shellfish is an abomination?"
Do you understand that Leviticus is setting rules for Israel where God personally leads Israel out of Egypt. He tells them who they can marry, what they can eat, when they can work, etc. He is like the CEO of Israel. A part of those rules are very logical dietary and sanitary rules. Like don't cook for people after you touch a dead body. Lots of dietary rules like the shellfish and pork ones as well.
@lanastompanato Why not just tell them how to prepare shellfish safely rather than forbidding their consumption altogether? Better yet, since god supposedly made evcerything, why not make shellfish so that they don't make you sick?
Remember that they are a very uneducated group, mostly illiterate and learning of these laws by listening to Sabbath day sermons or readings from their priests. It may just be easier to enforce "don't eat that" than to teach shellfish safe preparation.
"make shellfish so that they don't make you sick"
You want God to change everything about shellfish and the bacteria that inhabit them, just to make it more convenient for Israelite food preparers?
@lanastompanato Aww, gee, the complex rules to kill shellfish parasites. 1) Put them in a pot of water. 2) Boil them. It would take 5 seconds out of a Sabbath sermon although I grant you it's slightly longer than saying "don't eat shellfish" and infuse a superstition. Dietary restrictions for no real reason just impoverish and starve the human race. Amazon Indians take poisonous cassava and treat it and make manioc, illiterate though they were.
@lanastompanato What's so difficult about it? If you can't burn wood, burn dred camel-shit. Anywhere there is any organic life, there are combustibles. You just hold to some bizarre religious Bible belief against all science and facts.
@lanastompanato See, my point here is that it's ridiculous to belive anything the Bible says, because it was all made up by people. One of the proofs of this is all of the internal contradictions in the text. People didn't understand back then that bacteria grow on things like dead shellfish and consumeng said bacteria makes you sick. Now we know about bacteria and can take precautions. So since we now know better, we don't need that an ancient text telling us not to eat shellfish.
@robotzorro --- Rock music? In my city there are Christian rock stations that play nothing but Christian rock music. The Christians are taking over rock music, the atheists seem to have moved on to that rap music stuff. Talk about the devil's music, rap = yuck :). As for slavery, it was William Wilberforce and a group of Christians that finally put a stop to the slave trade in the western world, so we have that. If you don't know who William Wilberforce is, look him up.
@lanastompanato "Christian rock" is an oxymoron. The bible has been used for centuries to justify slavery, genocide, and supression of human rights. Look THAT up.
@robotzorro-- And horrible groups like the KKK parade with Americans flags, apple pie, The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the like, because they know what respect so many people have for those symbols. So yeah, bad doers try to use something widely respected to justify what they want to do. They try to hide behind the William Wilberforce's who are out there motivated to do good because of Christianity.
Christian Rock is pretty popular, I think you are in denial.
@Phillificated It was kind of foreordained from the two separate creations of man: unnamed Black people in Genesis 1, and then God specifically makes Adom (Hebrew: "to blush, to turn rosy" i.e. the first White guy) and Eva in Genesis 2.
@Dracopol You are forgetting the flood. The human race basically starts over with Noah's family . Black people are traditionally the children of Ham and his wife, who head south into Africa. The caucasian and oriental races being the children of Shem and Japheth.
@lanastompanato Nope! The lesser creations of God are the Black race of Genesis 1. The children of Ham become the Hamites, ancestors of the Falasha Jews of Ethiopia. These have interbred with the lesser creations of God so appear Black now
@Dracopol That may be your personal ideas about the subject, but your views aren't widely held, nor supported by the Bible. My Genesis 1 doesn't mention a black race nor have the word black in it at all. Nor is your view the traditional view of race in the Bible which is that the three races come from the three children of Noah. You haven't explained how your supposed black race from genesis 1 didn't die in the flood.
@lanastompanato I guess since it's the Bible, we're talking fantasy from start to finish. Do YOU seriously believe in a worldwide flood that engulfed even the most high-altitude living humans? Why aren't the Peruvians all dead? Noah's sons said, "Let's make our women pop out babies as fast as we can and race to all the corners of the Earth?" Then again, how did only ONE son's skin blackify to justify the unfounded Biblical belief Ham is the progenitor of Blacks?
Peruvians would be descendants of Noah just like everyone else. Descendants of Shem or Japheth that walked across the Alaskan land bridge.
"how did only ONE son's skin blackify to justify the unfounded Biblical belief Ham is the progenitor of Blacks"
He was naturally darker than his brothers & took his progeny south into Africa where descendants got darker still. Areas of Africa& Middle East named Cush, Canaan & Mizraim all were named for sons of Ham.
@lanastompanato You bonehead! There was just a worldwide flood, and THEN you say there would be an Alaskan land-bridge for people to walk across and become Indians? So the water receded quickly and was LOWER than it was before the Flood? No! There is not enough TIME for those things to happen. Nobody gets Black skin in just a few generations!
@lanastompanato ...plus, who has Ham got to breed with? Characteristics are inherited from BOTH the father AND mother. When Ham interbred with a lighter-skinned woman, the shade of the child is always in-between. So the lame situation you tell me is unscientific and you have me believe that in just a few generation from a "naturally darker" but not Black man, everyone in his descendency is as black as the ace of Spades...no dice!
@lanastompanato ...I am also assuming that Noah sailed to Australia to get a mating pair of kangaroos to rescue them. Then, after the Flood, he sailed back to Australia to place them there and only there, making sure no kangaroos would exist anywhere else. Same for many other island species which developed in isolation from this crazy little thing called EVOLUTION! So to believe in the Bible (literally) you MUST believe Noah sailed EVERYWHERE! No dice! I'm not believing religion!
First, who says kangaroos were in Australia before the flood, rather than after? Second, you obviously haven't read the story have you? In the story, the animals come to Noah, he doesn't collect them. As for evolution, it is in no way in conflict with the story of Noah. In fact, it may help explain parts of it. There is no reason that animals can't change through natural selection both before & after whatever flood occurred. I am still want to hear how you see a black race mentioned in Genesis 1
@lanastompanato You are only digging yourself deeper and deeper into fuckwhackery. The animals "come to" Noah? And after this Flood, the kangaroos are found ONLY in Australia and nowhere else? They are very hardy. Evolution postulates unique species on islands nowhere else, which is inconsistent with a story of accumulating ALL animal species in a single point and then dispersing them again in only a few thousand years. You must therefore DROP the Flood-belief; it is untenable.
"...dispersing them again in only a few thousand years"
Who said how many years it was?
"Evolution postulates unique species on islands nowhere else"
So? Nothing about the flood is inconsistent with evolution.
"The animals "come to" Noah?'
Genesis 6:20 "Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground WILL COME TO YOU to be kept alive"
They came to him. It is a supernatural story. At least be accurate about what's in the story.
@lanastompanato Look, DO YOU LITERALLY BELIEVE in this Flood story or not? There is NO archeological evidence of kangaroo skeletons on any other continent but Australia before OR after this supposed Flood. If you believe in the Flood or in a literalist interpretation of the Bible, well, welcome to the World of Crazy. You are quickly defeated by the simplest of scientific observations.
"... LITERALLY BELIEVE in this Flood story or not? "
I don't know. If it happened it was a supernatural event. But maybe Robert Ballard is right with his Black Sea Deluge Theory (you can wiki) & it was a more localized flood. The word used in the Bible for the waters covering the earth can as easily be translated as "the Land" like the inhabited land. Or maybe it is a teaching story. Doesn't really matter to me. Since we don't have a date for the Flood, how do you know what is before or after?
@Dracopol ".I am also assuming that Noah sailed to Australia"
The story makes very clear that the animals came to Noah. He didn't collect a single animal. God provided the animals that uniformly filed 2 by 2 into the ark. That takes supernatural intervention by God to happen.
Genesis 7:8 "Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark ..."
@lanastompanato Oh, really? Animals came to Noah, even if they were on isolated islands like Australia? Even if they had the speed of a snail? If God could supernaturally move things, he would move the animals and Noah and anything ELSE he wanted to save up in the air on a cloud somewhere and not bother with the boat-building and mysterious international air transportation of animals who were quickly whisked back to their individual habitats.
"Animals came to Noah, even if they were on isolated islands like Australia?"
That's what the story says. Of course Australia isn't an island, it is a continent. we have no idea what the earth looked like pre-Flood. Maybe it was one big continent. look up "Pangea" the supercontinent. Maybe it wasn't as long ago as thought.
"Even if they had the speed of a snail?"
God may have started the snails great grandparents slurping toward Noah before he was even born. He is God.
"... wanted to save up in the air on a cloud somewhere"
Most of the teaching value is Noah persevering through peer pressure as all his neighbors made fun of him while he built. That sort of thing is a continual theme of the Bible. Not God solving all your problems by yanking you up in a cloud, but helping you solve them yourselves. Whether that is building an ark or Joshua fighting for the Promised Land or Ezra rebuilding the temple. God assisted those he favored, he didn't do it all for them.
@lanastompanato Australia is a continent isolated from OTHER areas. There is no way land-animals can swim to somewhere else, and the animals EVOLVED into new forms not found anywhere else. And we DO have a good idea what the Earth looked like at all previous ages. The rocks left clues, and magnetic fields (which have varied) were stored in the rocks when they formed. You are INSANE if you think the world was one continent at the time humans lived on it. Trying to fit facts to religion.
@Dracopol "Australia is a continent isolated from OTHER areas. "
It is right now. Do you know that science tells us that wasn't always the case? Our assumptions about what was where and when it was there do not take into account supernatural floods. The events described in the Noah account are clearly shown to be supernatural. That changes everything.
@lanastompanato There is NO WAY Australia was joined to anything else at ANY TIME humans have existed in the last 5 million years! In fact it was FURTHER AWAY from other things, being further south, and colder, in the past. It's slowly moving North now. Therefore the animals could not have hopped, crawled, or even flown off. You keep invoking the supernatural every time your bizarre insane ideas don't fit the facts.
@Dracopol "You keep invoking the supernatural every time ..."
It is a supernatural story. God caused the animals to come to Noah, Noah didn't chase them down. That is a supernatural event and is what the story says happened. You can disbelieve the story, but don't alter what the story says happened.
@lanastompanato All right, the STORY is inviolate, but my analysis of this story and all the Bible, all the religions, all the belief in God also stays for all time: this is NONSENSE! Don't believe it! A God powerful enough to "magically" bring all species to Noah, even those found only in distant continents, would have been powerful enough to stick all animals in a trans-dimensional foot-locker for the duration of his sick Flooding of humans...
He certainly is powerful enough to do that, maybe you would choose to do it that way, but he didn't. Your way, Noah doesn't get tested by persevering through the taunts of his neighbors as he labors to build an ark. The whole story of Noah is a morality lesson for us. Maybe it is only a story, maybe it happened on a more localized basis, or maybe it happened just like many believe. Whichever, it is a great teaching story for Noah enduring & persevering in the face of resistance or peer pressure
@lanastompanato But do you BELIEVE in religion? You keep evading that question because you are ashamed. To believe that anyone could construct a boat enough to contain even a bunch of desert-dwellers' ideas of biological diversity of species is silly.
I believe in Jesus, and that there is a God, I wouldn't call that the same as believing in religion. As for Noah, I don't really care whether it is a teaching story or a real one, or something more limited like what Robert Ballard proposes. It is interesting that so many cultures have a similar story. I do have to say one thing, an ark is not a boat or a ship. Boats and ships move you somewhere by sails, motors, oars or whatever. An ark is more like a barge, not intended to move on its own.
Try reading Psalms 137. The speaker isn't God. It is someone being hauled off into slavery. His family murdered and raped by evildoers. His whole nation destroyed. Then his captors demand he sing and dance a happy tune for them. He is expressing his deep grief, that it would be better for children to have been bashed against the rocks as babies than endure what he is suffering. It is considered by many one of the most poignant writings in history, on a par with Anne Frank. Try learning something
@FoxOutsideBox Your fundamental problem is atheists aren't reading the chapters. They are just scanning them for short sentences or phrases that can be miscast on a billboard to fit with the atheist agenda. Try really reading the Bible sometime in a manner so that you understand who the speaker is, what the subject is, and what the chapter is about. Like the Jeremiah 48:10 verse. That is a prediction of what is going to happen to the city of Moab. Read the rest of the chapter.
@lanastompanato How about this one? It is clearly God's rules for slave beating.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Am I taking this one out of context? Please tell me if I am...
@lanastompanato How was Jesus whipping people (John 2:15) misrepresenting the situation? Especially since the merchants weren't evil but were SUPPOSED to be outside the Temple? (Deut 14:24-27) No, we must conclude that Jesus was a hothead who lost his cool, went apeshit and OFFERED VIOLENCE TO HIS FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AS HIS SOLE ANSWER. He is NOT a role-model for anyone to follow. Case closed.
@lanastompanato Read Deut 14:24-27. The Lord God ORDERED merchants to be there, right outside the Temple. You are being inconsistent. Jesus Christ was basically attacking God's previous standing orders.
I really like the concept of this video; however, it's unfortunate that all of these are from the Old Testament. Really, you can't use this against Christians, as they (claim) that they follow Jesus and his teachings, so their instructions would be in the New Testament. The Jews, on the other hand, are supposed to follow these... *
Hopes that last sentence doesn't sound racist or Hitler-ish*
@xXAnEmptyShellXx Jesus condoned the whole Old Testament....problem solved. Saying Jesus is apart from God is like saying the Nazis were apart from Hitler.
@itsjustameme I liked the one where Jesus uses slaves as examples in parables...never questioning the institution of slavery himself. He didn't even say it would be removed in a future time or in heaven! It all struck him as perfectly normal and natural. He was condoning the ancient Old Testament institutions (when slavery was practiced as a debtor's prison or with captured women). Also Jesus cursed a fig-tree in a season when it could not possibly have borne fruit for him. Idiot.
Not only does Jesus come across as a male chauvinistic pig to a woman who desperately begs him for help. He also manages to make a bigoted and racist remark about another culture.
CompletelyLovely made a pretty decent video about it:
I think I should have some of these as my facebook status.
I have a few religious friends that are constantly posting status's involving bible quotes however theirs are all about love and how great their god is etc. I think these would give them something to think about.
This would certainly bring a lot of apologists out of the woodwork, but I do think an awful lot of Christians really have no idea exactly what their "holy book" really says. I can speak from experience that "there's no surer path to atheism than a thorough knowledge of the bible". Let's do this!
@GoblinXXX Agreed! See my other note about size. Probably should remove 'god' from it too. The thing is that it is an 'attack' and so the apologists would have to fight many fronts at once - everyone who sees the video! If they try to take it down, they raise a storm ... perfect!
@farvision Yeah, chapter and verse are important inclusions. Let people look them up and see for themselves, let them "put it in context"-- Even if they jump through hoops to justify it to themselves, at least it will get them THINKING about it, which is the first step toward skepticism.
It was a differen time then. Back then they didn't understand, through common sense, that murder and rape are wrong. And anyway, we can't be sure God has a bigger purpose that justifies murder and rape in one time and place. ( These are the typically absurd defenses)
Great billboards vid.. some of them should go up.. probably get all the Xtians titties in a twist. (They'll be squirming: "How dare they misrepresent God's word - using God's word!")
Holy crap! The god Yahweh as we actually KNOW him to be!!!! This is somehow a sight for sore-eyes (when you've been overdoses with the whole "merciful, loving, Great, amazing, loving, kind, loving, adorable, loving, flawlessly loving "Fatherly" loving pseudo-image on a daily basis. Hail atheism! x)
@WeThinkAtheist These might actually be more effective than running pro-atheism billboards. Show the Christians what the bible they don't read actually says.
Vids like this...
silvapride 2 weeks ago
Christians are fucking idiots, the end. How can you defend this crap? You can't, so just continue to hide from commenting on vies
silvapride 2 weeks ago
These little parts from the bible are only sections that could be easily misinterpreted. For example when you read Psalms 137:1, yes they do say that harsh part but what the writer is saying is to treat the babylonians the way they treated us. The writer is crying out for judgement.
xPINKCUBE 4 months ago
@xPINKCUBE "The writer is crying out for judgement."
Yes, he is someone in pain and despair. That is the point of the psalm. The anguish those Israelites went through.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
I detect Cowboy Bebop music
mindevolve 4 months ago
@misspotatoehead88 Catholicism rocks, but crazy walks!
Dracopol 4 months ago
How about adding the passage that says that eating shellfish is an abomination?
"Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales; that shall be an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:12)
robotzorro 4 months ago
@robotzorro "How about adding the passage that says that eating shellfish is an abomination?"
Do you understand that Leviticus is setting rules for Israel where God personally leads Israel out of Egypt. He tells them who they can marry, what they can eat, when they can work, etc. He is like the CEO of Israel. A part of those rules are very logical dietary and sanitary rules. Like don't cook for people after you touch a dead body. Lots of dietary rules like the shellfish and pork ones as well.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato Why not just tell them how to prepare shellfish safely rather than forbidding their consumption altogether? Better yet, since god supposedly made evcerything, why not make shellfish so that they don't make you sick?
robotzorro 4 months ago
"just tell them how to prepare shellfish"
Remember that they are a very uneducated group, mostly illiterate and learning of these laws by listening to Sabbath day sermons or readings from their priests. It may just be easier to enforce "don't eat that" than to teach shellfish safe preparation.
"make shellfish so that they don't make you sick"
You want God to change everything about shellfish and the bacteria that inhabit them, just to make it more convenient for Israelite food preparers?
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato Aww, gee, the complex rules to kill shellfish parasites. 1) Put them in a pot of water. 2) Boil them. It would take 5 seconds out of a Sabbath sermon although I grant you it's slightly longer than saying "don't eat shellfish" and infuse a superstition. Dietary restrictions for no real reason just impoverish and starve the human race. Amazon Indians take poisonous cassava and treat it and make manioc, illiterate though they were.
Dracopol 4 months ago
@Dracopol " Put them in a pot of water. 2) Boil them."
Boiling water while wandering in a dessert isn't as easy as you make it sound.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato What's so difficult about it? If you can't burn wood, burn dred camel-shit. Anywhere there is any organic life, there are combustibles. You just hold to some bizarre religious Bible belief against all science and facts.
Dracopol 4 months ago
@lanastompanato See, my point here is that it's ridiculous to belive anything the Bible says, because it was all made up by people. One of the proofs of this is all of the internal contradictions in the text. People didn't understand back then that bacteria grow on things like dead shellfish and consumeng said bacteria makes you sick. Now we know about bacteria and can take precautions. So since we now know better, we don't need that an ancient text telling us not to eat shellfish.
robotzorro 4 months ago
@lanastompanato We also now know that slavery is evil and there is no invisible old guy in the sky who hates gay people and rock music.
That's all I'm saying.
robotzorro 4 months ago
@robotzorro --- Rock music? In my city there are Christian rock stations that play nothing but Christian rock music. The Christians are taking over rock music, the atheists seem to have moved on to that rap music stuff. Talk about the devil's music, rap = yuck :). As for slavery, it was William Wilberforce and a group of Christians that finally put a stop to the slave trade in the western world, so we have that. If you don't know who William Wilberforce is, look him up.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato "Christian rock" is an oxymoron. The bible has been used for centuries to justify slavery, genocide, and supression of human rights. Look THAT up.
robotzorro 4 months ago
@robotzorro-- And horrible groups like the KKK parade with Americans flags, apple pie, The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the like, because they know what respect so many people have for those symbols. So yeah, bad doers try to use something widely respected to justify what they want to do. They try to hide behind the William Wilberforce's who are out there motivated to do good because of Christianity.
Christian Rock is pretty popular, I think you are in denial.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato Popular isn''t necessarily good, and Xtian rock isn't popular anyway.
Religion has ALWAYS been used as a tool of political oppression . That's it's purpose.
robotzorro 4 months ago
@robotzorro For someone who curses shellfish, God is quite crabby.
Dracopol 4 months ago
@lanastompanato BTW, if God is "CEO of Israel", who are the board of directors. Does that make Moses VP of marketing?
robotzorro 4 months ago
@robotzorro -- Since Moses takes dictation, he might be more like the secretary.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
YOKO KANNO!
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@Phillificated It was kind of foreordained from the two separate creations of man: unnamed Black people in Genesis 1, and then God specifically makes Adom (Hebrew: "to blush, to turn rosy" i.e. the first White guy) and Eva in Genesis 2.
Dracopol 5 months ago
@Dracopol You are forgetting the flood. The human race basically starts over with Noah's family . Black people are traditionally the children of Ham and his wife, who head south into Africa. The caucasian and oriental races being the children of Shem and Japheth.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato Nope! The lesser creations of God are the Black race of Genesis 1. The children of Ham become the Hamites, ancestors of the Falasha Jews of Ethiopia. These have interbred with the lesser creations of God so appear Black now
Dracopol 4 months ago
@Dracopol That may be your personal ideas about the subject, but your views aren't widely held, nor supported by the Bible. My Genesis 1 doesn't mention a black race nor have the word black in it at all. Nor is your view the traditional view of race in the Bible which is that the three races come from the three children of Noah. You haven't explained how your supposed black race from genesis 1 didn't die in the flood.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato I guess since it's the Bible, we're talking fantasy from start to finish. Do YOU seriously believe in a worldwide flood that engulfed even the most high-altitude living humans? Why aren't the Peruvians all dead? Noah's sons said, "Let's make our women pop out babies as fast as we can and race to all the corners of the Earth?" Then again, how did only ONE son's skin blackify to justify the unfounded Biblical belief Ham is the progenitor of Blacks?
Dracopol 4 months ago
"Why aren't the Peruvians all dead? "
Peruvians would be descendants of Noah just like everyone else. Descendants of Shem or Japheth that walked across the Alaskan land bridge.
"how did only ONE son's skin blackify to justify the unfounded Biblical belief Ham is the progenitor of Blacks"
He was naturally darker than his brothers & took his progeny south into Africa where descendants got darker still. Areas of Africa& Middle East named Cush, Canaan & Mizraim all were named for sons of Ham.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato You bonehead! There was just a worldwide flood, and THEN you say there would be an Alaskan land-bridge for people to walk across and become Indians? So the water receded quickly and was LOWER than it was before the Flood? No! There is not enough TIME for those things to happen. Nobody gets Black skin in just a few generations!
Dracopol 4 months ago
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@Dracopol "There is not enough TIME for those things to happen. Nobody gets Black skin in just a few generations!"
The Bible doesn't say when the flood happened. We don't know how much time is involved.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato ...plus, who has Ham got to breed with? Characteristics are inherited from BOTH the father AND mother. When Ham interbred with a lighter-skinned woman, the shade of the child is always in-between. So the lame situation you tell me is unscientific and you have me believe that in just a few generation from a "naturally darker" but not Black man, everyone in his descendency is as black as the ace of Spades...no dice!
Dracopol 4 months ago
@Dracopol "and you have me believe that in just a few generation"
Who said anything about a few generations?
lanastompanato 4 months ago
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Dracopol 4 months ago
@lanastompanato ...I am also assuming that Noah sailed to Australia to get a mating pair of kangaroos to rescue them. Then, after the Flood, he sailed back to Australia to place them there and only there, making sure no kangaroos would exist anywhere else. Same for many other island species which developed in isolation from this crazy little thing called EVOLUTION! So to believe in the Bible (literally) you MUST believe Noah sailed EVERYWHERE! No dice! I'm not believing religion!
Dracopol 4 months ago
First, who says kangaroos were in Australia before the flood, rather than after? Second, you obviously haven't read the story have you? In the story, the animals come to Noah, he doesn't collect them. As for evolution, it is in no way in conflict with the story of Noah. In fact, it may help explain parts of it. There is no reason that animals can't change through natural selection both before & after whatever flood occurred. I am still want to hear how you see a black race mentioned in Genesis 1
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato You are only digging yourself deeper and deeper into fuckwhackery. The animals "come to" Noah? And after this Flood, the kangaroos are found ONLY in Australia and nowhere else? They are very hardy. Evolution postulates unique species on islands nowhere else, which is inconsistent with a story of accumulating ALL animal species in a single point and then dispersing them again in only a few thousand years. You must therefore DROP the Flood-belief; it is untenable.
Dracopol 4 months ago
"...dispersing them again in only a few thousand years"
Who said how many years it was?
"Evolution postulates unique species on islands nowhere else"
So? Nothing about the flood is inconsistent with evolution.
"The animals "come to" Noah?'
Genesis 6:20 "Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground WILL COME TO YOU to be kept alive"
They came to him. It is a supernatural story. At least be accurate about what's in the story.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato Look, DO YOU LITERALLY BELIEVE in this Flood story or not? There is NO archeological evidence of kangaroo skeletons on any other continent but Australia before OR after this supposed Flood. If you believe in the Flood or in a literalist interpretation of the Bible, well, welcome to the World of Crazy. You are quickly defeated by the simplest of scientific observations.
Dracopol 4 months ago
"... LITERALLY BELIEVE in this Flood story or not? "
I don't know. If it happened it was a supernatural event. But maybe Robert Ballard is right with his Black Sea Deluge Theory (you can wiki) & it was a more localized flood. The word used in the Bible for the waters covering the earth can as easily be translated as "the Land" like the inhabited land. Or maybe it is a teaching story. Doesn't really matter to me. Since we don't have a date for the Flood, how do you know what is before or after?
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@Dracopol ".I am also assuming that Noah sailed to Australia"
The story makes very clear that the animals came to Noah. He didn't collect a single animal. God provided the animals that uniformly filed 2 by 2 into the ark. That takes supernatural intervention by God to happen.
Genesis 7:8 "Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark ..."
Note the "came to Noah" part.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato Oh, really? Animals came to Noah, even if they were on isolated islands like Australia? Even if they had the speed of a snail? If God could supernaturally move things, he would move the animals and Noah and anything ELSE he wanted to save up in the air on a cloud somewhere and not bother with the boat-building and mysterious international air transportation of animals who were quickly whisked back to their individual habitats.
Dracopol 4 months ago
"Animals came to Noah, even if they were on isolated islands like Australia?"
That's what the story says. Of course Australia isn't an island, it is a continent. we have no idea what the earth looked like pre-Flood. Maybe it was one big continent. look up "Pangea" the supercontinent. Maybe it wasn't as long ago as thought.
"Even if they had the speed of a snail?"
God may have started the snails great grandparents slurping toward Noah before he was even born. He is God.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
"... wanted to save up in the air on a cloud somewhere"
Most of the teaching value is Noah persevering through peer pressure as all his neighbors made fun of him while he built. That sort of thing is a continual theme of the Bible. Not God solving all your problems by yanking you up in a cloud, but helping you solve them yourselves. Whether that is building an ark or Joshua fighting for the Promised Land or Ezra rebuilding the temple. God assisted those he favored, he didn't do it all for them.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato Australia is a continent isolated from OTHER areas. There is no way land-animals can swim to somewhere else, and the animals EVOLVED into new forms not found anywhere else. And we DO have a good idea what the Earth looked like at all previous ages. The rocks left clues, and magnetic fields (which have varied) were stored in the rocks when they formed. You are INSANE if you think the world was one continent at the time humans lived on it. Trying to fit facts to religion.
Dracopol 4 months ago
@Dracopol "Australia is a continent isolated from OTHER areas. "
It is right now. Do you know that science tells us that wasn't always the case? Our assumptions about what was where and when it was there do not take into account supernatural floods. The events described in the Noah account are clearly shown to be supernatural. That changes everything.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato There is NO WAY Australia was joined to anything else at ANY TIME humans have existed in the last 5 million years! In fact it was FURTHER AWAY from other things, being further south, and colder, in the past. It's slowly moving North now. Therefore the animals could not have hopped, crawled, or even flown off. You keep invoking the supernatural every time your bizarre insane ideas don't fit the facts.
Dracopol 4 months ago
@Dracopol "You keep invoking the supernatural every time ..."
It is a supernatural story. God caused the animals to come to Noah, Noah didn't chase them down. That is a supernatural event and is what the story says happened. You can disbelieve the story, but don't alter what the story says happened.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato All right, the STORY is inviolate, but my analysis of this story and all the Bible, all the religions, all the belief in God also stays for all time: this is NONSENSE! Don't believe it! A God powerful enough to "magically" bring all species to Noah, even those found only in distant continents, would have been powerful enough to stick all animals in a trans-dimensional foot-locker for the duration of his sick Flooding of humans...
Dracopol 4 months ago
He certainly is powerful enough to do that, maybe you would choose to do it that way, but he didn't. Your way, Noah doesn't get tested by persevering through the taunts of his neighbors as he labors to build an ark. The whole story of Noah is a morality lesson for us. Maybe it is only a story, maybe it happened on a more localized basis, or maybe it happened just like many believe. Whichever, it is a great teaching story for Noah enduring & persevering in the face of resistance or peer pressure
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato But do you BELIEVE in religion? You keep evading that question because you are ashamed. To believe that anyone could construct a boat enough to contain even a bunch of desert-dwellers' ideas of biological diversity of species is silly.
Dracopol 4 months ago
I believe in Jesus, and that there is a God, I wouldn't call that the same as believing in religion. As for Noah, I don't really care whether it is a teaching story or a real one, or something more limited like what Robert Ballard proposes. It is interesting that so many cultures have a similar story. I do have to say one thing, an ark is not a boat or a ship. Boats and ships move you somewhere by sails, motors, oars or whatever. An ark is more like a barge, not intended to move on its own.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
Finally some atheist billboards that stupid christian fundies can't object to :)
I mean - how would they argue against that?
Does anyone know how they were received?
itsjustameme 11 months ago
@Jeffersonwazright
Ooooooooooook?
xXAnEmptyShellXx 1 year ago
Try reading Psalms 137. The speaker isn't God. It is someone being hauled off into slavery. His family murdered and raped by evildoers. His whole nation destroyed. Then his captors demand he sing and dance a happy tune for them. He is expressing his deep grief, that it would be better for children to have been bashed against the rocks as babies than endure what he is suffering. It is considered by many one of the most poignant writings in history, on a par with Anne Frank. Try learning something
lanastompanato 1 year ago
@lanastompanato Ok, now justify all the other verses.
FoxOutsideBox 5 months ago in playlist More videos from WeThinkAtheist
@FoxOutsideBox Your fundamental problem is atheists aren't reading the chapters. They are just scanning them for short sentences or phrases that can be miscast on a billboard to fit with the atheist agenda. Try really reading the Bible sometime in a manner so that you understand who the speaker is, what the subject is, and what the chapter is about. Like the Jeremiah 48:10 verse. That is a prediction of what is going to happen to the city of Moab. Read the rest of the chapter.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato How about this one? It is clearly God's rules for slave beating.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
Am I taking this one out of context? Please tell me if I am...
FoxOutsideBox 4 months ago
@lanastompanato How was Jesus whipping people (John 2:15) misrepresenting the situation? Especially since the merchants weren't evil but were SUPPOSED to be outside the Temple? (Deut 14:24-27) No, we must conclude that Jesus was a hothead who lost his cool, went apeshit and OFFERED VIOLENCE TO HIS FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS AS HIS SOLE ANSWER. He is NOT a role-model for anyone to follow. Case closed.
Dracopol 4 months ago
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@Dracopol "Especially since the merchants weren't evil but were SUPPOSED to be outside the Temple? "
They were profaning the temple. Not SUPPOSED to be there.
lanastompanato 4 months ago
@lanastompanato Read Deut 14:24-27. The Lord God ORDERED merchants to be there, right outside the Temple. You are being inconsistent. Jesus Christ was basically attacking God's previous standing orders.
Dracopol 4 months ago
I really like the concept of this video; however, it's unfortunate that all of these are from the Old Testament. Really, you can't use this against Christians, as they (claim) that they follow Jesus and his teachings, so their instructions would be in the New Testament. The Jews, on the other hand, are supposed to follow these... *
Hopes that last sentence doesn't sound racist or Hitler-ish*
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xXAnEmptyShellXx 1 year ago
@xXAnEmptyShellXx Jesus condoned the whole Old Testament....problem solved. Saying Jesus is apart from God is like saying the Nazis were apart from Hitler.
Jeffersonwazright 1 year ago
@xXAnEmptyShellXx
There are some quite good ones in the new testament also. Jesus actually did say some quite evil stuff from time to time.
And also - there's bound to be some passages about hell.
And there is a system of "justice" that could not stand up to scrutiny if there ever was one.
Oh yes - the new testament is also open for cherry picking.
itsjustameme 11 months ago
@itsjustameme I liked the one where Jesus uses slaves as examples in parables...never questioning the institution of slavery himself. He didn't even say it would be removed in a future time or in heaven! It all struck him as perfectly normal and natural. He was condoning the ancient Old Testament institutions (when slavery was practiced as a debtor's prison or with captured women). Also Jesus cursed a fig-tree in a season when it could not possibly have borne fruit for him. Idiot.
Dracopol 4 months ago
@Dracopol
Then try and read Matthew 15:22-28.
Not only does Jesus come across as a male chauvinistic pig to a woman who desperately begs him for help. He also manages to make a bigoted and racist remark about another culture.
CompletelyLovely made a pretty decent video about it:
/watch?v=ed6ChNRqU0E
itsjustameme 4 months ago
I'm not sure god said all of those things. It would be awesome to put one of those on a billboard somewhere. It would make the news for sure.
caseybv74 1 year ago
I think I should have some of these as my facebook status.
I have a few religious friends that are constantly posting status's involving bible quotes however theirs are all about love and how great their god is etc. I think these would give them something to think about.
MyPaperBleedsInk 1 year ago 2
Amazing. Truly amazing. I wonder how many Christians know that crap is in their bible.
Bobbiethejean 1 year ago
What is the source of the music in the clip?
NoMoreMasters 1 year ago
... but god is love (Howling laughter). What should really be at the end of every first day of Sunday School.
petehjr1 1 year ago
Posted to my Facebook.
Boy, am I gonna catch hell from my folks for this one... :)
Alisterwolf66 1 year ago
@Alisterwolf66 Let us know how it goes :]
WeThinkAtheist 1 year ago
@WeThinkAtheist Actually, so far... well-received. Guess I have more non-religious friends than I thought!
Alisterwolf66 1 year ago
@Alisterwolf66 Awesome thanks for the update!
WeThinkAtheist 1 year ago
"oh but those verses all came from the OT, that was for then ... god is all different now" - Christian Idiot excuses
givingmantoo 1 year ago
The quotation information should be much much bigger - same size as the rest of the text to emphasize where it comes from!
farvision 1 year ago
This would certainly bring a lot of apologists out of the woodwork, but I do think an awful lot of Christians really have no idea exactly what their "holy book" really says. I can speak from experience that "there's no surer path to atheism than a thorough knowledge of the bible". Let's do this!
GoblinXXX 1 year ago
@GoblinXXX Agreed! See my other note about size. Probably should remove 'god' from it too. The thing is that it is an 'attack' and so the apologists would have to fight many fronts at once - everyone who sees the video! If they try to take it down, they raise a storm ... perfect!
farvision 1 year ago
@farvision Yeah, chapter and verse are important inclusions. Let people look them up and see for themselves, let them "put it in context"-- Even if they jump through hoops to justify it to themselves, at least it will get them THINKING about it, which is the first step toward skepticism.
GoblinXXX 1 year ago
COOONNNTEEEEEXXXTTTT!!!!!
:P
I'd love to see how they'd try to justify the "Show no mercy..." one.
DooMDrat 1 year ago
Best idea ever
SiriusMined 1 year ago
this is superb! I did not think about this, but reverse the playing field at it's finest!
They want religious crap publicly displayed? We'll be more than happy to publicly display it for them! hehehehe
This should be done in reality
jkeaty2 1 year ago 3
These definitely should be on billboards.
MyPaperBleedsInk 1 year ago 2
It was a differen time then. Back then they didn't understand, through common sense, that murder and rape are wrong. And anyway, we can't be sure God has a bigger purpose that justifies murder and rape in one time and place. ( These are the typically absurd defenses)
NYatheist 1 year ago
Great billboards vid.. some of them should go up.. probably get all the Xtians titties in a twist. (They'll be squirming: "How dare they misrepresent God's word - using God's word!")
8DX 1 year ago
Reductio ad absurdum. The real way to fight stupidity and ignorance. :)
Helkesst 1 year ago
Great Video. I listened to it a second time with the sound muted and played the song Awesome God, as an alternate version.
NYatheist 1 year ago 2
@NYatheist lol, that's a great idea to use that as the soundtrack!
isaachaze1 1 year ago
The one about the woman being raped: you didn´t quote the worst part: the rapist gets to mary the victim, and there is noch chance of divorce!
kirafan68 1 year ago
1:47... that visual really pisses me off...
YourDarkAccomplice 1 year ago
Holy crap! The god Yahweh as we actually KNOW him to be!!!! This is somehow a sight for sore-eyes (when you've been overdoses with the whole "merciful, loving, Great, amazing, loving, kind, loving, adorable, loving, flawlessly loving "Fatherly" loving pseudo-image on a daily basis. Hail atheism! x)
YourDarkAccomplice 1 year ago
If you really do it, the text that shows the bible verse needs to be enlarged. The whole point is to show that the quotes come from the bible.
videoguy604 1 year ago
I'd pitch in to actually have one put up - but,which one?!? Hmmm...
imho, the attribution of book, chapter, and verse would have to be bigger - much bigger.
Elaina43 1 year ago
Your second one, 1 Timothy 2:12, and, hell! most of Deuteronomy would be excellent billboards to begin such a project.
We'd need a few from the new testament too
Elaina43 1 year ago
@Elaina43 What else would you like to see.
WeThinkAtheist 1 year ago
@Elaina43 Do the one ordering women to keep silent. There's a female gap in the atheist community and that might send a few ladies our way.
videoguy604 1 year ago
@videoguy604 That's the one I picked to be first, too! LOL
Elaina43 1 year ago
Yes these are edited photos. But could you imagine?
WeThinkAtheist 1 year ago 2
@WeThinkAtheist These might actually be more effective than running pro-atheism billboards. Show the Christians what the bible they don't read actually says.
videoguy604 1 year ago 31
@videoguy604 I agree.
Elaina43 1 year ago
@videoguy604 You seriously might be right and we seriously might consider putting one into action.
WeThinkAtheist 1 year ago 25
@WeThinkAtheist Send e-mails to David Silverman.
videoguy604 1 year ago
@WeThinkAtheist
I personally would donate to get such billboards up, and I bet my wife would also..
gilgameshismist 1 year ago
@gilgameshismist Are you a member on TA? We will send out a e-mail announcement about it.
WeThinkAtheist 1 year ago
@WeThinkAtheist
Became a "made" man a few minutes ago.. ;)
(BTW: thanks for the pod-casts! They are great.)
gilgameshismist 1 year ago
Pity these are photo-shopped, aren't they? Someone SHOULD set these billboards up, since Christians don't tend to read their Bible anyway.
EntinludeX 1 year ago