New: Spoonamore - Sep 2008 - Part 1 - "It's a network people."

[RANDYORTONKELLY]

What the hell is this crap

[z8it]

NOW MIKE CONNELL IS DEAD!

Hey America !

These guys have turned our Republic into a murderous, lying, fascist, Torture State!

How in the world can Rove defy a Congressional supeona? As witnesses (that He has openly threatened!) are showing up DEAD!?!

He's still showing up at FOX NEWS isn't he?

SERVE THE GOD DAMN SUPEONA!

This pudgy, perverted, propagandist, murderer and BushCo.

MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!

Christ!

What is wrong with this Country?!

[atrickpay11]

Why is this guy a life-long GOP member?

He knows about vote-fraud + all, but he still buys into the ideologically bankrupt left-right-liberal conservative spectrum...

Libertarianism is the way forward.

[atrickpay11]

Holy shit, the quality of this video is good in HD!

[steveastrostar]

At least we wont become a socialist communist country under obama

[infinite411]

right... Keep telling yourself that

[poohtoob]

steveastrostar:

I recommend you read "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat it was published in 1850, a period when France was rapidly turning to complete socialism.

Quote:

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Frédéric Bastiat

The Law

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[dankbot420]

If we the people can't trust the votes,

Democracy is dead in America.

[mlmarkow]

We have noto had an honest presidential election for at least the last six times. We are just waking up to how "fixed" it has been. During the last election Bush was loosing by a big number in the morning and was being told this on television as he is pictured watching the television screen. By lunch the votes dramtatically changed for the next report on television. Why was this covered up?

[ronskilbeck]

very interesting.

[nodonjuan]

Vote absentee.

[du2vye]

watch "Hacking Democracy" (google video). This has been well known - and unfixed.

[xtrasassy25]

All three voting machine companies are owned by Repubs. One owner was sent to jail for tampering with his machines. ASK FOR A PAPER BALLOT! What most people don't know is that there are more Democrats than Republicans. In order for Republicans to win if people don't like theor candidate is to find a way to "STEAL" the election. ASK FOR A PAPER BALLOT!

[sharkus414]

This is totally false. Everything that he said could and has happened with paper ballots.  Just like in Florida when Bush decided not to count foreign and military ballots and the huge controversy over "dimpled" and "hanging" chads. Also about the phones, it would be more akin to words that were spoken over the phone line then the phones themselves, meaning that some words(votes) may be misinterpreted, but you will know where they are coming from, and can ask the sender to repeat themselves.

[theeEqualizer]

You obviously have huge gaps in your understanding of computers, code, and networks. He is ENTIRELY right. Computers are intrinsically unfit to tabulate votes securely. It doesn't matter what's happened with paper. You can't rig an election with paper. Electronically, its relatively simple.

[sharkus414]

Yes, I'm sure that choosing not to count votes (as done by the Supreme court in 2000) is not rigging a vote...

It doesn't have to be networked anyway, they could all have like flash drives to bring to the counting center... Really there are more ways then one to use electronic voting.

[russianassassin]

You miss the point, notice how you hear about it happens with paper ballots, because that leaves a paper trail. But you can't, and don't hear about it happening with anonymous electronics because there's nothing to trace back. And he only uses phones to make it clear that one is anonymous, while the other is not. It has nothing to do with interpretation. Also on flash drives and other ways of electronic voting, again the point is the whole concept is too flawed, since nothing is traceable.

[sharkus414]

Everything is traceable, back to the voting location and voting machine. I'm sure you would hear about it if there was a hack, the reason you haven't is because no one has done it. Don't you think people try and hack banks and ATM's? They are on a network, and I'm sure it happens, but no one get's away with it.

[arvoremaravilha]

LOL oh yeah computers are totally secure.

I guess you have done fuck all research on e-voting machines then. They are like Swiss cheese (and all it takes is a USB flash drive).

[brunors71]

You can't be THAT naive. You think the government would tell us that our votes had been hacked so that we'd lose all faith in voting and thus in the democratic process?

[arvoremaravilha]

This is spot on. 1's and 0's can be changed with a touch as light as a feather. Reinforced metal crates with tamper-dye systems and physical locks will always leave a mess if someone tries to change them. It sounds old-fashioned, but that's precisely the point. To change 5237 votes in a crate takes manpower, effort, and grace. To change that many votes on a computer takes a few cans of Dr Pepper and a fat guy double clicking a few times. People are so dumb these days, it's really sad.

[sharkus414]

Are you serious right now?  Wow. Or all it takes is a partisan effort and nine people in a room to change any vote...

[Bozacke]

What makes it worse is that Diebold and the 3Republican controlled companies that make 99%of voting machies have patents which pretty much prohibits anyone else from making voting machines. So, they own the IP concept of electronic voting and no one else would have thought of that!

[Bozacke]

I can't understand why we cant use e-voting machines with a ticker-tape printer that also provides a paper trail to verify that the results are correct. This way you can audit a voting box, station, county, etc. by comparing the numbers on the ticker-tape to what's in the database.

[sharkus414]

Haha, way to go American pantent system! Surely sparking innovation for years to come.

That's a great idea. That way, a transition from the paper system to electronic could be underway. I think people lite this spoonamore guy just want everyone to think the case is completely cut and dried.

[armyofda12monkeys]

sounds like he knows what he is talking about.

Can't each machine be made so its id-ed by a public key to at least know when data is transmitted that it definitely is coming from the source machine, so only can be hacked at source and not during transmit? (i have very limited knowledge of public key cryptography so any input is appreciated by other coder types coming from digg.)

[Electrin]

It is not the identity of the machine that is in question, but the identity of the vote tied to the person. It simply no longer exists because each electronic vote is meant to be anonymous.

[daharja]

This is all very scary. I think we really have to assume that the party that will win in the US in November is the party with the best tech savvy, not the one with the most 'votes'.

[arvoremaravilha]

So the winner will be..... Ron Paul? err..

[jigglesnap]

Let's hope not

[razer167]

thanx for uploading mate

[daveschachne]

Thank you, Thank you , Thank you. I have been trying to explain the evm's lack of accountability to folks for months. Maybe now they'll listen.

Those with no vote are slaves.

[cheekieweekie]

Paper ballots - no higher tech is necessary.

[wildbill29303]

Thank you for posting this!