Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.....they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
I feel sad for you: ignorant of the Bible; filled with pagan Greek philosophical ideas such as free will; no sovereign God to save and keep you; a world without meaning or purpose because God did not plan it. You need to repent of self-worship and thinking you know better than God; of denying the biblical doctrines of election and grace. How sad. How pathetic. Your handle says it all: "willower". not God's Will but your will be done on earth as it doen in heaven. You are not GOD!
@willpower242 The word "love" has different meanings. I "love" all children in a vague sense but I really love my children and would die to save them. The "love" I have for my wife is special. I do not have that same kind of love for all women in general. God has a special love for His elect that is redemptive. It is limited to His children. How do I know this? The Bible tells me so in Heb. 12:5-11, etc. If you do not believe the Bible, you are not a child of God..
@willpower242 If god is real he is pretty sick. God created trillions and trillions of people that will burn for eternity simply because of a lack of belief. Believe in me or burn. Sounds like the fat kid who doesn't get his way so he takes his ball home so no one can.
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy (Rom 9:20-23)
@FaithDefenders2008 why is it that any time christians debate with atheists you quote the bible? Obviously the Atheist does not believe the bible is a credible source so when you quote it you really are just making yourself feel good, not proving a point.
Atheists quote other atheists and their books as thier authority. I quote the Bible.as my authority. Everyone appeals to some "authority" (Plato, Jesus, Muhammad, etc.). The question comes down to whose authority is right? In my book, The New Atheism, I demonstrate that their arguments against God and the Bible are all logical fallacies (ex from silience). The Athiest Convention in San Diego went on record saying that my book was the most dangerous book because it refuted atheism!
@FaithDefenders2008 The difference between science books and the bible is science books attempt to support their arguments with facts or theories. The bible, if not for faith, could be taken as complete fiction. All I was saying is that quoting a book that atheists deem to be fiction should not be used in debate because it is not a credible source to those you are trying to refute.
@zayasjm How naive! "Science" is current cultural beliefs. Aristotle was "science" and then Newton refuted him. Einsten refuted Newton. Quantum Mechanics has now rendered Einstein just as obsolete as Newton had done to Aristotle. The Bible is demonstrated by archeology, geology, geography, etc. The science text book when I was a child is now obsolete. Read the chapter "the philosophy of science" in The Bible, Natural Law and Natural Theology.
@utubnik YouTube land is like the Land of Oz. There are lions without courage, tin men without hearts, scarecrows without brains, witches without pity, and wizards without honesty. It is refreshing to hear from someone who has courage, a heart, a brain, mercy, and honesty. Merry Christmas!
@fairhdefenders. Wow... But I have one question.. I've been studying on this topic for awhile and Romans 5:8 stumped me. How would you interpret this verse?
@66cisneros The first rule of hermeneutics is to note to whom the author is speaking. The context is clear that Paul is speaking to fellow Christians who are "reconciled" and "saved" (Rom. 5:10). Rom. 5:8 is about Christians.
While I love the content of the video and believe this is absolute Biblical truth, I think it should humble us in the dust that God called any of us and chose us to be saved.
@mosesanderson7 I follow the example of the prophets, the apostles and Jesus who said to follow them. They were blunt and told people the truth. Why do you think thery murdered? By being "nice."? Paul's sarcasm is found in all his epistles. If you condemn me for being sarcastic, then you must also condem all the great men of God in the Bible and church history. If being bold in the Spirit and telling the truth in love is "arrogance," so be it.
@FaithDefenders2008 Again I get where you coming from, though I must admit Paul's sarcasm kinda diminishes the impact the scriptures have on me because it's a leap of faith to believe that a God so magnificent at creation would inspire such words .... seems very human at times, like Paul just being cranky, having a bad day etc
@Eric7Q You are an example of the effeminent Christianity I write about in my book, Fearing God. The masculine message, "Repent or perish!" that was preached by the prophets, the apostles and Jesus does not move you because you do not understand that you are on your way to eternal punishment. The Bible says, "Flee from the wrath to come" but you don't believe that divine wrath is real. Jesus is going to be VERY cranky on the Day of Judgment and send the majority of mankind to hell!
@FaithDefenders2008 I reckon calling someone effininent in any sense from the relative saftey of your home/office online is in itself effeminent. I do believe in the judgment, ie: the overshadowing bad news. I just don't celebrate it, and I (like God) don't get off on anyone perishing.
You must learn how to read. I referred to "effeminent Christianity," a term that is used in theology to descirbe modern evangelical theology that does not teach or practice the fear of the the Lord. I do not know you. But your comments are typical of someone who does not fear God. In my book, Fearing God, I exegete every verse in the Bible where fearing God is found, I am just telling you what the Bible says on the subject. If you want the truth, get my book and and read it. :-)
@FaithDefenders2008 Spot on - you don't know me. I do fear God (believe it or not ;), but that doesn't stop me thinking, challanging, or even sometimes holding a position contrary to His (see Moses, Jonah, Peter, and some others). I think in greek the term is "Ball's" ... :P. OK now I'm just talking trash .. getting late this side of the world. Laters Dude.
Can you imagine how big the "balls" it takes to say what I say? To go against the popular effeminent views of God? To tell people up front that if they do not repent they will perish? The prophets, apostles, and Jesus told people the truth withour sugar coating it.
@FaithDefenders2008 Granted. A unspeakable burden indeed. I guess most want to use incentives instead of threats because they don't want the blow back which is natural i guess.
@Eric7Q Two murder attempts on my life tends to make you realize that telling the truth can be dangerous. But I am immortal until the time ordained by my God (Job 14:5). I love God and the truth of God and love people and know that they need the truth even when they do not want to hear it.
@FaithDefenders2008 I live in Africa so not that shocked by violence etc but nevertheless salute for taking a stand. Great is your reward. However I would say some ppl (and I include myself) just respond better to God's goodness (leading us to repentance) but close up when threatened no matter by who. Anyway have a good day.
In my book, Fearing God, I demonstrate that some people are drawn to Jesus by the love of God while others are driven by fear of hell to go to Jesus. It has to do with psychology and amount of wickedness in someone's life. The more wicked, the more they are afraid of Jusitce. I donated $235,000 of my books to Frontline Ministries in South Africa to give away in Africa. Get in contact with Peter Hammond to see if he has any of books he can give you.
@FaithDefenders2008 Granted, an unspeakable burden indeed. I guess most christians want to use incentives instead of threats because they don't want the blow back / fallout.
I get where you coming from .... I just think that then we should at least then drop term ''good news'' when reffereing to the gospel. Also this understanding radically darkens reality in my view ... and challanges traditional ideas of whats good and bad etc ... I mean is God really good. Is there really such a thing as good or is it some subjective concept? Maybe it's just a matter of might is right after all, thus God is like us he hates what he hates and loves what he loves.
@Eric7Q You got it! Without the bad news that we sinners under the wrath of God, there is no good news of salvation through Christ dying under that wrath of God in our place. Paul gives the bad news of total depravity from Rom. 1-3. Then he begins the good news of salvation through Jesus Rom. 4-5.
@sttevenash Rom. 9 says that God created the "vessels of wrath" and the "vessels of grace" for His glory. Heaven reveals His mercy and hell reveals His justice. Steven, you exist to glorify your Creator. Your sin and rebellion will lead you to suffer in hell. Yet, God calls you to repent of your sins and Jesus made a way for you to be delivered. Why continue in sin?
@FaithDefenders2008 But who am I to desereve to go to either place? Furthmore, if God is perfect then why create Humanity? For what Purpose? Or is that a mystery left to us and one only known to God for a reason?
No, you deserve to go to hell right now because you have lied, stolen, cheated, hated, lusted, probably committed immorality, etc. For all I know, you are gay or a child molester. But God is merciful to you by not throwing you into hell today. He is giving you a chance to repent and accept Christ. There is no mystery why you were created: to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. By rebelling against God, His Word, and Son, you are digging yourself a place in hell.
The idea of God being angry about anything seems absurd given the claims of being all-knowing. If it is all-knowing, then it would know why any given individual does whatever they are doing...unlike the ignorance of an actual parent where anger may be understandable given the limits of knowledge.
@MyContext Of course, "seems absurd" according to whom? You have set yourself up as the Origin of truth, justice, morals, meaning, and beauty. Thus you are a typical humanist.
@FaithDefenders2008 You are of course correct with regard to the subjective implication inherent in your comment. This does of create an overall problem of ANY claims of understanding and subsequent acceptability depending on the interpretative extractions made.
@MyContext You are self-refuting again. "Everything is relative" is an absolute. "There is no meaning" is quite meaningful. "What someone wrote cannot be understood by anyone else" is argued in books. "There is no truth," is that true? My book, The New Atheism, goes into the self-refuting nature of humanism and that relativism cannot generate truth, justice, morals, meaning, or beauty. If you begin only with your own limited reason, experience, and feelings, you will end up with nothing.
@FaithDefenders2008 I haven't claimed that EVERYTHING is relative. I am claiming that meaning is relative to the understanding of the individual which I presume includes all humans. I grant that in general the subtle shifts of meaning/understanding is not a problem, however, the moment extrapolations are made these errors (if they are present) are magnified with each level of extrapolated notions.
@MyContext "meaning is relative to the understanding of the individual" including you as an individual making that statement. You are cutting your own throat again! If what you think/say is only a relative thing that is only relative truth, then why bother saying anything at all? You cannot exempt yourself from your relativism. Please read my book, The Bible, Natural Law, and Natural theology for my discussion of your situaton. Then get back to me.
@FaithDefenders2008 Are you saying that you have access to knowledge beyond your experience and extrapolated notions interrelated to those experiences? Since, from my limited knowledge we are all bound by the limits of our individual reasoning, experiences, and biology that have developed the totality of what generally viewed as a person or whatever term that you find best descriptive of the cognitive aspects of what is presented of a person.
@MyContext Yes. The biblical universals are transcendent, supra-temporal, and supra-cultural. God is there and He has spoken to us in human language to give us information that we could not otherwise have. You and I are particulars in search of univesals to expain ourselves and the world around us. Thus the Bible is "beyond" the limits of our individual reasoning." Experience qua experience is meanlingness. It must be explained by a universal outside of that experience to understand it.
@sttevenash Wonderful! That is where Paul begins in Romans. God is angry with us. His wrath is upon us and we are without excuse. Thisis why all kinds of bad things happen to us. The "Bad News" that we are sinners under the wrath of God prepares the way for the "Good News" that Jesus offers you a way to escape hell. Ask God to forgive your sins and ask Jesus to save you from hell. Until you see that you are lost, you will not seek to be found!
Robert, I apologize for my "snip" about your CDs on hermeneutics. I should've just said, "Their are a variety of hermeneutics and it appears that not all agree with yours." I do hope that you post my last comment. It contained scriptures that I believe are authoritative and difficult to explain in any other way than the most "obvious meaning," regardless of the various hermeneutical principals that might be applied. In all major translations they appear to be translated in the same way.
@Peterhiett1 I will email you directly. I use the historic Evangelical grammar/syntax/context hermeneutic. The way you take the Bible out context and "proof text" and then go on without exegesis is wrong. Instead of throwing a dozen verses at me and then running away, we will take each text one by one and show you that your interpretation violates grammar/syntax,context.
No, I'm not a JW. And I'm sorry that I didn't conjugate the verb for you... I know that it reads "tetelestai." I took one and a half years of Greek in Seminary... got an A each time. Why did none of the translators, in any major translation, translate John 12:30 “And when I’m lifted up, I will draw different kinds of people to myself”? Perhaps they all (not “different kinds”) need to order your CDs on hermeneutics…
Jh 12:32 1. The "lifting up" refered to crucifixtion. 2. "Men" is not in the GK. 3. The word "all" cannot refer to every human being from Adam to the last person born including those in hell. Not everyone is going to come to Christ. 4. Arminian as well as Reformed Commentaries see "all" as Jew/Gentile, rich/poor, male/female, etc. i.e. all differenct kinds of people will come to Christ. See Wesley's Commentary as a example. Are you a universalist or do you believe there are people in hell?
God can love and hate at the same time. "God is Love." But His wrath comes to an End, "with them the wrath of God is finished (from "teleo") - Rev. 15:1. Jesus is the End - Rev.22:13. "He does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in steadfast love." - Micah 7:18 "It is finished (teleo)." said Jesus upon the cross. John 12:30 "Now is the judgment of this world... And I, when I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all people to myself." 1 John 2:2 is a good comment on Psalm 145:9.
Are you a JW? All you do is take verses out of context. John 12:30 is not telos but τετέλεσται, meaning paid in full. How many years of Heb and Gk did you take on graduate level? I doubt you know either language. The same is true of John 12:30. Jesus will draw different kinds of people, not every human being. You are so ignorant of hermeneutics that you should stop pretending to interpret Scripture properly. Order my CDs on hermeneutics and learn how to interpret the Bible. Then get back to me.
Hey why don't you pray the next line in Psalm 139, like David? "Search me, O God and know my heart; test me and know my thoughts. See if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting." It turns out that David wasn't quite as righteous as Jesus. He clears it up in Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all, and his mercy is over all that he has made."
Now that I got your attention, taking verses out of context has always been the Arminian way of twisting the Bible. You assume that God cannot love and hate at the same time and it is one or the other. But God is angry with sinners every day and His wrath is upon them (John 3:36) and, at the same time, He loved sinners enough to send His Son for their salvation (john 3:16). Psa. 145:9 has to do with general Providence and not the extent of the atonement. You are ignorant of basic hermeneutics.
"But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those that abuse you... But love your enemies, do good, and lend expecting nothing in return. Your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High; FOR HE IS KIND TO THE UNGRATEFUL AND THE WICKED. BE MERCIFUL, JUST AS YOUR FATHER IS MERCIFUL." -Jesus (Luke 6:27, 35-36).
@Peterhiett1 "O that Thou wouldst slay the wicked, O God; Depart from me, therefore, men of bloodshed
for they speak against Thee wickedly and Thine enemies take Thy name in vain. Do I not hate those who hate Thee, O LORD? I hate them with the utmost hatred; They have become my enemies." (Psa 139:19-22)
@joshua76az I appreciate you honesty. I could tell you were a God-hater. Thank you for saying, "I hate God." Rom. 1 describes all haters of God as degenerates. I would not be surprised that you are gay. This is the last time I respond to you. I saw what you were from the beginning and it is only now you finally admit I was right.
He also makes a mistake of thinking that wrath and anger of God are not compatible with his love for sinner and thus equal hatred. The fact that parent may be angry with his children and punish them does not mean he does not love them.
"He does not retain His anger for ever because He delights in love." (Micah 7:18)
"In overflowing wrath for a moment I hid My face from you, But with everlasting love I will have compassion on you " (Isaiah 54:8)
@givebackrankflv Once again the context of the verses clearly refer to believers. I let the Bible tell me about God. That God is angry with unbelievers every day and that He will cast them into eternal hell is clearly taught. That He loves those whom He chose unto salvation and adopts them into His family and becomes their Father through grace is also clear. I feel sorry for people who are incapabe of interpreting Scripture according to context and grammar.
@FaithDefenders2008 Why is God angry with believers? Or was he angry with those believers while they were still unbelievers? Either the believers are sinners in which case God loves sinners or believers once were sinners in which case God still loves sinners, otherwise He wouldn't have them come to faith. In both cases God's anger at sin is compatible with His love for sinner. Does the unbeliever's future faith merit love of God or is it the love of God that enables unbeliever to come to faith?
@givebackrankflv Heb. 13 says that the Father is angry with His children when they sin. The Psalms are full of times when God was angry with his children. While God's anger toward his childrern is remedial, His angry toward the wicked is punitive. I am sure He is angry with you in one way or the other. You are intellectually incapable of interpreting the Bible according to context and grammar. You have used up Tit. 3:10 and I am forbidden to bother with you any more.
"Behold, God is mighty, and despiseth not any" (Job 36:5)
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
"Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1 John 4:10)
"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
@givebackrankflv The whole point of reading the Bible is to see what God says. You began with the assumption that God loves eveyone with the same kind of love. Then you ran around taking verses out of context. For example, in Rom. 5 Christ died for "us." To whom does "us" refer IN THE CONTEXT? The context is clear that Christ died for "us" believers. The same is true of 1 John 4. Objective GK/Heb grammar, syntax, and context interpret the Bible, not feelings.
@Pianist4God When the Bible refers to "all men" (John 12:32;1 Tim. 2:1-6, Tit. 2:11; etc.) it means different kinds of people (Jew/Gentile, rich/poor, etc.). It does not mean every human from Adam to the last person. When Paul said to "pray for all men," does this mean to pray for the dead or people not yet born? No. Tit. 2 refers to old/young, masters/slaves, etc. In 2 Pet. 2:9, the word "to you" means that believers will not perish. The text and its context do not apply to every man.
To me it's really simple. If God is love, than God would have to be incapable of hate, as hate is the total opposite of what love is. For that reason among many others, I completely reject the idea that the Biblical God is anything close to the real God. You can call me a sinner, call me destined for hell or whatever you want, but nothing will ever make this view of God make sense to me anymore, because a good bit of it simply does not.
@ajk Your ignorance of logic and the Bible are astounding! 1. Your argument if valid would mean: "If God hates, then He is incapable of love." This is absurd. The same Bible that says God loves also says that He hates. 2. Your own words reveal you’re a humanist. You wrote that the only god you will accept is the one that "makes sense" to you. That is the point. You think that god must conform to what MAKES SENSE TO YOU, not what is revealed in the Bible.
@FaithDefenders2008 Yeah you are right it also says God hates, but then you have a total contradiction! You cannot say that God is love and than in the same breath say "Oh but God hates too" the two statements conflict with each other. You can't have it both ways. Either God is love or he's not, pretty simple. But then the Bible is full of things like this so that shouldn't be any surprise.
@ajk Yes! Yes! You got it. God is BEYOND all human comprehension, reason, logic, etc.. Our finite minds are not able to understand the infinite God. Any god you can understand is an idol. It is not "either...or" but "both...and." God is both One and Three at the same time; Christ was both God and man at the same time; God both loves and hates at the same time. You limit God when you reduce Him to what you can understand. Bow to God as revealed in Scripture. Put away your idols!
He acts like it's totally irrational to believe God loves all. I think he speaks a lot of truth, but by mocking those who struggle with this truth, he speaks the truth very unlovingly. When people read "God is love," they think God loves all. If this is incorrect, lovingly correct your brother, don't mock him. Be gentle with the sheep, don't treat them as wolves.
@Gernatch Why are you condemning the prophets, the apostles and Jesus? Have you ever read 1 Kings 18, Mat. 23, etc. where they mocked unbeliers? You are ignorant of the Bible, God, Jesus, and His servants. When the Bible says, "God is love" or "God is light," this was true before man was created. It does not mean God loves everyone the same way. It means that God is HOLY.
@FaithDefenders2008 in Matthew 23, it's the wolves that are being addressed as I tried to make the distinction already at the end of my last post. We need to know when and how to mock a wolf and gently rebuke a sheep. This man is making no distinction. I'm not even arguing the love of God in my last post. I'm just saying that it's not entirely surprising people believe it, and I don't believe it's because they are "humanists." I believe they think scripture teaches it.
@Gernatch You poor little wolf! The cheap sheep skin you wear does not deceive me at all. You judge all strong men of God who follow the example of the prophets, apostles and Jesus as mean, unloving, unkind when it in reality you are a humanist who judges people by worldly standards. You should read the Bible, fall on your knees, repent of your sins, confess Christ as Lord, and renounce the devil and al his deeds. You are on the highway to hell and don't know it.
God hates some people and loves all people. You are trying to further prejudice people against God, sending them away from Him at this apostate hour. You cannot be a friend of God; you are scattering, not gathering.
@Mcfirefly2 Dear McFly, God tells us in Scripture that He loves His children, "the beloved of the Lord." Jesus told us that some people are "the children of the devil" and not the children of God (John 6). If you do not want to follow the Bible, then you are a child of the devil on your way to hell. That is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth according to the Bible.
@FaithDefenders2008 "...the Lord says. Yet l have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated..." Malachi 1:2-5 Why did God hate Esau? Read Obadiah, there's only 1 Chapter & verses 8-18 are very clear. Hebrews 12:16 is also a reference. God's Children: Accept Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior. Romans 8:13-14; 16-17; Galatians 3:26-29; John 1:10-13; 1John 3:1-3; 7-10; 1John 5:18-21 We were chosen BEFORE the creation of the world: Ephesians 1:4-5; 11; 1Peter 1:1-2 We Believe so We Belong to Him!!
@FaithDefenders2008 Thank you very much. It is a shame that so many people don't read their Bibles, don't believe them, or they listen (watch) misleading tapes. I appreciate your post. May we meet soon on that sweet day when the Lord comes for His FAITHFUL Bride. MARANATHA
I read psalm 139 21-22, and I now know that you are confused. Do I not hate those who hate you, o lord, and abhor those who rise up against you? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies(psalm 139 21-22). These are the words of david, not god. It clearly says " of david" on the page.
McCraigTheGreatlyIgnorant! The Bible is composed of the inspired words of Moses, David, Paul, etc. There is only one God in three Persons: Farher, Son, Holy Spirit.. The Father sent the Son to die for the elect He chose unto eternal life. The Son accomplished salvation for the elect. The Father and the Son sent the Spirirt to apply salvation to the elect. My book, Studies in the Atonement, proves all of this. Read it and then get back to me. Theology 101 is where you must begin.
@Eternalsummersong You got it!! God made us in His image with the capacity to love the good and hate the evil. God hates the wicked every day and, being created in His image, we hate them too. “Do I not hate those that hate You, O YHWH? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with the utmost hatred; they have become my enemies.” (Psa. 139:21-22). God said it, that settles it, I believe it!
@Eternalsummersong We should love what God loves and hate what He hates (1 John 2). While I give you Scripture, you give me none. I am afraid that you make a god in your image instead of accepting the God who reveals HImself in Scripture. Let God be as He has revealed in the Bible. The words "love," "hate, "anger" have positive and negative meanings. God is angry with sinners everyday and we are commanded to be angry in the same way (Eph 4:26). You have a god made from your feelings.
Great video. The best verse I can think of is 1 Cor. 16:13- Quit you as men. His ways are not our ways. His thinking is above ours and we can only believe what His word says without needing to understand it all from our finite and human perspective. The more we believe and obey in faith the more knowledge and wisdom He gives so that we see Him for how he is although for now through a glass darkly. And yes it's difficult to deal with the proud boasters who say no a loving God would never do that.
Quite a theological quagmire we have here!!! IS God the Creator really described by the bible? Or is it false Gods that are being described in the bible.? Is the bible really the word of God or just the word of man? I think the American Indians had it right - the Great Spirit! And they did it all without a 'bible'.
First, the "American Indians" are now called "Native Americans." Second, the “Great Spirit” instructed the Native Americans to practice slavery, canniblaism, infanticide, mass murder, human sacrifices, putting quills into their penis, playing soccer with human heads, and other horrible things. Third, no wonder the missionaries identified the “Great Spirit” as Satan, the Bringing of death. I will follow the Messiah who is the Giver of Life.
Shalom, brother! Thanks God YAHWEH for brave brothers & sisters like you. I also have been fighting these false reprobate liars who love to throw this "God loves the sinners but hates the sin" trash. Because of them, billions of people have since gone to Hell.
God YAHWEH only loves those who OBEY His teachings. Preach that to the world & be prepared to be hated by everyone for you will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. We all die so isn't it best if we die for Him to eneter the Kingdom? Amen.
Dr. Morey should first ask himself whether he hates his father, mother, wife, children and brethren because if he doesn't he's not a disciple of Jesus Christ, let alone a predestined elected Calvinist. (Luke 14:26). Now put that on your pudding and eat it.
@lessingtom I will try once more to educate you. The founder of Dallas Seminary was a Calvinist who did not accept replacement theology. That you would dismiss the work of the greatest Scottish theologians only proves you are totally ignorant of church history. You need to read my book, How the Old and New Testaments Relate to Each Other, before you contact me again. I do not accept Covenant Theology or Dispensationalism. They are modern Gentile systems based on false Western philosophy.
This guy deserves an OSCAR. He's a great actor. Not only that, he must obviously be a descendant of Jacob whom God loved and not Esau whom God hated. Nonetheless, isn't it funny that Calvinists who believe God has cast away Jacob (Israel) also believe that He has replaced them with the church (all the predestined elect). Replacement theology is in essence a form of hatred toward Jacob (Israel) whom God loves. What a travesty of God's sovereignty. Calvinists hate whom God loves. (Rom 11:28).
@lessingtom Ignorance of church history is truly one of the great weaknesses today. Many great Reformed theologians loved Israel and did not believe in replacement theology. Have you never heard of Robert Murray McCheyne? He and other Reformed leaders worked hard to create a Jewish homeland. Yes, I am a messianic Jew and most of my ancestors lived and died in the Jewish quarter in Rome, Italy. One last work, I am not “acting” but preaching the Word of God with all heart.
Good question. Anger, hate, etc. can be either righteous or unrighteous. God's anger, wrath, fury, and hate are righteous in nature and are provoked by rebellion against God's law and truth. In the same way, we can have righteous anger, warth, fury, and hate in a righteous way provoked by rebellion against God, HIs law, and the gospel (Psa. 139:19-2). See Acts 13:6-11 fot NT example. The same is true of all emotions including love. They can be righteous or unrighteous.
According to Bible scholars, Loved and hated are not emotions but rather a matter of being blessed or not. "He was said to have 'loved' the one he adopted and 'hated' the one he did not adopt. Here all that is signified is that Jacob was blessed and Esau was not." That is according to a Nelson Study Bible. And according to this man, God is mad at the sinner. SO WHAT? Being mad at someone means you don't love them? He really needs to think before he speaks. Our parents punish us, but still love.
Ignorance of Scripture is always a sad thing. Finsen is a sad example of this. He makes the claim that "Loved and hated are not emotions." Did he produce even one verse in the Bible where this claim is taught? No. The Bible speaks of the fierce anger of God and the fury of His wrath. Einsen’s god is an emotionless idol who neither loves nor hates. Sad. My God is personal as well as infinite. Our love and hate is a reflection of God’s love and hate. We are created in His image.
@FaithDefenders2008 Ignorance of Scripture.Interesting. How on Earth do you assume that God's wrath implies hate? Does Dr. Morey ever produce one verse in the Bible where it says that in John 3:16 it means only his World of elect? It is ignorant, rather, to say our hate is in reflection to God's. God tells us not to hate. He commands us to love everyone as we love Him. I don't think our hate is a reflection of God's if he tells us not to.
Psa. 139:21-22: Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. John 3:16 restricts eternal life to "all who believe," not everyone That is, salvation is limited to the elect. The word "world" in Scripture can mean the Roman Empire (Lk. 2:1) or the evil that is in the world (1 John 2:15f) or other meanings. You are ignorant of basic hermeneutic.
As I documented in my book The Bible, Natural Theology, and Natural Law, "science" is a fallible ever-changing human attempt to understand man's subjective experiences in the world aound him. It is culturally conditioned and relative to time and place. What is considered scientific "fact" is dimissed as nonsense by the next generation of scientists. The Gospel does not change. The Bible does not change. It teaches eternal truths and morals.
God is angry with sinners everyday according to the Bible. We can have righteous anger that reflects the anger of God. But I was not angry making the video series. I have a great time. But even if I had been angry, this is logically irrelevant to whether what I was saying was true. Were you angry when you accused me of anger?
For an excellent read on these issues I'd recommend a book by D A Carson called 'The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God'. God's love is over sentimentalized by universalists, who heretically deny God's wrath and his justice. But you can go off the path the opposite side too.'Kosmos' in J3.16 cannot mean elect only or you deny the gospel call is seriously meant to all. And yes I am 5 point Calvinist.
@gtrjunky Universalism is an ancient heresy that came into the church with Origin and other pagan Greek philosophers. It orginally had Satan and the demons saved as welll. They twist Scripture to their own destruction. They have never been viewed as fellow Christians but as wolves in sheep clothing. They worship a false god, honor a false Jesus, and preach a false gospel. Clark Pinnock, who is now in hell, recommended Death and Afterlife as the best refutation of it.
So Dr. Morey, Do you apply the same standard to Jews/current day Israel who reject Christ as well? That they who have rejected Christ will not be saved?
@theos1logos The Bible says that anyone, Jew or Gentile, who does not accept Yehsua as the divine Messiah, will go into eternal punishment. This includes you.
@FaithDefenders2008 That is mean!!! I thought as a christian you want to spread the love of christ, Is the word of god so desparate for people were you have to induce fear to try to convert. From you it sounds like a god you speak of hates us and you forget some people have a hard time with faith and all of the bible. Is it your job to condem and judge what happens or is that gods. Will you have much pride or will you finnally surrender to your arranagnce. I am just asking questions?
Jesus was called "mean" because He told sinners the truth. A true Christian will tell you the truth. You are under the wrath of God for all your wicked ways. On the Day of Judgment Jesus will say to you, "Depart from me, you accursed one, into the eternal fire." Christ will throw you into eternal hell. You are without hope and salvation. Turn or burn. Repent or Perish. There is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun. Jesus is the only way to heaven. Accept Him as prophet, priest, and king.
Yet another nitwit who doesn't have a clue about Hebrew idioms or the purpose of election.
"Jacob I loved, Esau I hated". This has NOTHING to do with human emotion. This is an idiom of ELECTION.
It means: "Jacob have I CHOSEN (for a specific purpose), but Esau have I NOT CHOSEN (for this purpose)".
Chosen for WHAT? Eternal salvation? Hardly. God's elect are CHOSEN to BRING salvation/healing to ALL NATIONS in the "ages to come". For God is the savior of ALL men - 1 Tim 4:10.
Since I was chosen to translate the Psalms for a new Bible translation, I am not the "nitwit." I started studying Hebrew under Rabbi Gold when I was 16yrs old. That means 50 years of Hebrew! The Hebrew text does not say, "chosen." The purpose of election is stated quite clearly in 2 Thess. 2:13, "chose you to be saved." The Greek text is quite clear that the purpose of election is salvation. In 1 Tim. 4:10, God the Father is the "Preserver " (cf. Eph. 5:23) of all kinds of people.
For that God hath chosen you FIRSTfruits unto salvation
(English Standard Version)
Because God chose you as the FIRSTfruits to be saved
The "elect" are the FIRST [beginning] ones to receive salvation, not the ONLY ones. The world shall be saved THROUGH the SEED [Christ+Elect]. This is the promise God gave Abraham.
Universalism is a damnable heresy that came out of Greek philosophy. I wrote what many have called the best refutation of that heresy in my book, Death and the Afterlife. It has been used as a textbook on heaven and hell in over 15 seminaries. I feel sorry for you. So ignorant of Hebrew and Greek that you have depend on English translations. Check what "son of perdition" means. Once you have read my book, then get back to me. The Unitarians and the Universlaists joined together.
How many years of college, university or seminary classes in Greek have you had? I doubt you have had 5 min. of education in Hebrew or Greek. The interlinear text you quoted is a favorite Calvinistic text. It shows that regeneration is the due to the exercise of God's will, not man's. The same doctrine is taught in John 1:13. .
maybe god doesn't love everybody, but I do. If god gave me the power to choose between love and hate, and i choose to love everyone of his creations, and he still sends me to hell, then i don't want to go to heaven.
I'm reading a really good book called "Dominion and Common Grace" by Gary North, and he systematically demonstrates how grace does not necessitate favor. Just as we should love our neighbors, by doing this we heap fiery coals on their head. In the same way, God loves His enemies, not an emotional love, but the fulfillment of the law is love. And He does this to condemn the reprobate even further.
Thank you for identifiying your personal problem. Evidently you have the problem of hating people who disagree with you. A lot of people have this probelm because they do not know the love of GOd. The Apostle John warns us in 1 John that if we hate people we are not saved.
I suggest you study English grammar and spelling as well as logic. But I am happy to see you are beginnig to think. That is my goal with students. If I get people to define their doctrines and words, they half way to Calvinism. I state the the word "love" had different meanings. When sloppy Christians run around saying, "God loves you" without defining what they mean, they are foolish.
Nick, I wrote the book, The New Athesim, for people willing to think through the issues and not just react emotioinally. You can find a used copy on Amazon. It answers the kind of questions you have. Once you read it, I would like to correspond wirh. I was raised atheist/agnostic and ended up believing that Yeshua was the Messiah. Dr. Bob
The use of ad hominem arguments is to attack the motives/character of someone whose biblical arguments you cannot answer. Malachi had the "agenda" of raising money to rebuild the temple; Paul wrote 2 Cor.; Gal. and Philippians to raise money. Should we reject those books? No. But in this case you are not ignorant of Scrpture. That I direct people to my website so they can obtain books, CDs, DVDs, etc. is biblical, righteous and holy. That is why you watched my video for free.
Good video. I've been struggling with this issue myself. We need to stop interpreting the Bible based on our emotions; we need sound exegesis. Psalm 5:5, Psalm 11:5, Romans 9:13, etc. are NOT negated by John 3:16. John 3:16 is NOT the only verse in the Bible.
This is such a fundamental teaching of Holy Writ yet missed by so many. They take the presupposition that God loves everyone who has ever existed into their study of Scripture. When you point this out to them from the Bible they respond in an emotional fashion reciting some mantra. Thanks for the video. :-)
Someone who has several doctorates in theology and has published 55 books is not a "pseudo-theologian." But a kid who can't even understand the difference between the attributes and attitudes of God and resorts to name calling does not manifest a childlike faith that seeks knowledge. Instead, you are childish and immature. Thus I leave you in the hands of God and will not waste my time any more.
I went to your site and found you exactly what I imagined: A nice young man who has not been educated in logic or theology and thus makes all kinds of simple but sincere mistakes. To confuse God's immutable attributes with HIs mutable attitudes is so fundamental an error that it would put you to public shame. But when you failed even to grasp that distinction and continued on in that error, this revealed you are not ready to grow in knowlege.
@lampstandburning You name-calling ("self-righteous" and "pharisee" ) reveal your hatred for me. But if you hate your brother, how can the love of God be in you? I could be the most wicked man in the world and yet tell you the truth.
@1JoshuaKirk You need to do a simple Bible study on the use of the word "world" in the Bible. When John tells us, "Love not the world," you line of thought means that we are not to love anyone. When Jesus said, "I do not pray for the world," does this mean He does not intercede for his people? Of course not! Joshua, you need to study the Bible.
I do not see the word "love" anywhere in the text. That God is "good" to the children of the devil by sending them rain is clear. But the passage is not denying that God loves His children with a special redemptive love. God's attitude toward His children is different from His attitude toward the devil's children. The love that I have for my wife and children is not that the same kind of love that I have toward all people in general.
You have committed two simple categorical fallacies: 1. You assume that God’s attitudes are the same as God’s attributes. 2. You also assume that God’s attitudes (benevolence) must be as infinite and immutable as His attributes (goodness). But God’s attitudes (the way He views and treats us ) change while His attributes (what He is in and of Himself) do not change). God’s attitudes toward us change change from day to day and are not infinite, immutable, etc.
When we discuss the subject at hand with younger in Christ(hopefully), when do we cross the line of Romans 14? Has any of you discussed this with Bible ignorant and Bible dumb young Christians? You get called hateful for backing up your statement with truth. If a dog or swine calls me hateful, I rejoice. I just worry about crossing the line on Romans 14 where it discusses stumbling blocks for those only able to handle herbs between the meat eaters.
Nobody should be riled up by the message he's giving. God is sovereign. Every breath we draw is by the grace of God. Allow God to rule and to do what is right, please. Thank you. God is not going around begging for souls, He saves those whom He will and those He does not, He will judge. That's it. End of story. Praise the Lord.
This is a great video. Thank you for producing it. I have posted it on my facebook page. Surprisingly - I've gotten some negative feedback; but such is expected when truth is rightly preached!
For All non-believers: 1 Corinthians1:19 ~ For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. ~
All the suffering we see in the world proves that God doesn't love everybody. If he did really love everyone, we'd all be in heaven, but we're not. Man creates hell for himself for going outside of God's standards. Christians outta read the OT to see the real truth.
Also, the common distinction that "God loves the sinner but hates the sin" is just a distortion of what Puritans said. Properly stated, God loves all sinners in that they are in his image, but hates them at the same time in another respect in that they are in sin. So, God can love and hate the same person at the same time, but in different respects. This is even true of the elect. When unbelievers, God hates them. Nevertheless, they are loved in that they are His elect.
He tells the Word AS IT IS. The truth hurts so many people because they want it to sound sweet to their ears. Hellooooo! No! It is good news for the human spirit, not the ears! It is because their spirits is full of demons that tehy don't like it when soemone tells the truth of God as it is.
Either you submit to His Word or get out of the way. Don't hang around like a bad stick, for example. Hehehh. Simple as that.
Calvinism/Doctrines of Grace/Reformed Theology are from the pit of Hell.....they are heresies that make God Almighty a sinner and not just a sinner but the Author of ALL sin.
Every child raped....every women beaten...every person murdered...every deceitful business deal...every cruelty man has done, was authored by God. It is a blasphemous false religion and many otherwise fine Bible teachers are promoting it today. MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, are some of them. Flee and Repent of Calvinism!!
willpower242 1 week ago
I feel sad for you: ignorant of the Bible; filled with pagan Greek philosophical ideas such as free will; no sovereign God to save and keep you; a world without meaning or purpose because God did not plan it. You need to repent of self-worship and thinking you know better than God; of denying the biblical doctrines of election and grace. How sad. How pathetic. Your handle says it all: "willower". not God's Will but your will be done on earth as it doen in heaven. You are not GOD!
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
God does love everyone........but there is a limit to His tolerance for their disobedience.
willpower242 1 month ago
@willpower242 The word "love" has different meanings. I "love" all children in a vague sense but I really love my children and would die to save them. The "love" I have for my wife is special. I do not have that same kind of love for all women in general. God has a special love for His elect that is redemptive. It is limited to His children. How do I know this? The Bible tells me so in Heb. 12:5-11, etc. If you do not believe the Bible, you are not a child of God..
FaithDefenders2008 1 month ago
@willpower242 If god is real he is pretty sick. God created trillions and trillions of people that will burn for eternity simply because of a lack of belief. Believe in me or burn. Sounds like the fat kid who doesn't get his way so he takes his ball home so no one can.
zayasjm 1 week ago
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy (Rom 9:20-23)
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
@FaithDefenders2008 why is it that any time christians debate with atheists you quote the bible? Obviously the Atheist does not believe the bible is a credible source so when you quote it you really are just making yourself feel good, not proving a point.
zayasjm 1 week ago
Atheists quote other atheists and their books as thier authority. I quote the Bible.as my authority. Everyone appeals to some "authority" (Plato, Jesus, Muhammad, etc.). The question comes down to whose authority is right? In my book, The New Atheism, I demonstrate that their arguments against God and the Bible are all logical fallacies (ex from silience). The Athiest Convention in San Diego went on record saying that my book was the most dangerous book because it refuted atheism!
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
@FaithDefenders2008 The difference between science books and the bible is science books attempt to support their arguments with facts or theories. The bible, if not for faith, could be taken as complete fiction. All I was saying is that quoting a book that atheists deem to be fiction should not be used in debate because it is not a credible source to those you are trying to refute.
zayasjm 1 week ago
@zayasjm How naive! "Science" is current cultural beliefs. Aristotle was "science" and then Newton refuted him. Einsten refuted Newton. Quantum Mechanics has now rendered Einstein just as obsolete as Newton had done to Aristotle. The Bible is demonstrated by archeology, geology, geography, etc. The science text book when I was a child is now obsolete. Read the chapter "the philosophy of science" in The Bible, Natural Law and Natural Theology.
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
Great message and video. Well delivered. Thanks so much and God bless!
utubnik 1 month ago
@utubnik YouTube land is like the Land of Oz. There are lions without courage, tin men without hearts, scarecrows without brains, witches without pity, and wizards without honesty. It is refreshing to hear from someone who has courage, a heart, a brain, mercy, and honesty. Merry Christmas!
FaithDefenders2008 1 month ago
@fairhdefenders. Wow... But I have one question.. I've been studying on this topic for awhile and Romans 5:8 stumped me. How would you interpret this verse?
66cisneros 1 month ago
@66cisneros The first rule of hermeneutics is to note to whom the author is speaking. The context is clear that Paul is speaking to fellow Christians who are "reconciled" and "saved" (Rom. 5:10). Rom. 5:8 is about Christians.
FaithDefenders2008 1 month ago
@FaithDefenders2008 sweet! thank you so much.. God bless you.
66cisneros 1 month ago
While I love the content of the video and believe this is absolute Biblical truth, I think it should humble us in the dust that God called any of us and chose us to be saved.
jaykarroll 1 month ago
@jaykarroll Why would God love us so much? We do not deserve it in the least. We bow before Him in wonder, awe, and praise.
FaithDefenders2008 1 month ago
@mosesanderson7 I follow the example of the prophets, the apostles and Jesus who said to follow them. They were blunt and told people the truth. Why do you think thery murdered? By being "nice."? Paul's sarcasm is found in all his epistles. If you condemn me for being sarcastic, then you must also condem all the great men of God in the Bible and church history. If being bold in the Spirit and telling the truth in love is "arrogance," so be it.
FaithDefenders2008 1 month ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Again I get where you coming from, though I must admit Paul's sarcasm kinda diminishes the impact the scriptures have on me because it's a leap of faith to believe that a God so magnificent at creation would inspire such words .... seems very human at times, like Paul just being cranky, having a bad day etc
Eric7Q 1 week ago
@Eric7Q You are an example of the effeminent Christianity I write about in my book, Fearing God. The masculine message, "Repent or perish!" that was preached by the prophets, the apostles and Jesus does not move you because you do not understand that you are on your way to eternal punishment. The Bible says, "Flee from the wrath to come" but you don't believe that divine wrath is real. Jesus is going to be VERY cranky on the Day of Judgment and send the majority of mankind to hell!
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
@FaithDefenders2008 I reckon calling someone effininent in any sense from the relative saftey of your home/office online is in itself effeminent. I do believe in the judgment, ie: the overshadowing bad news. I just don't celebrate it, and I (like God) don't get off on anyone perishing.
Eric7Q 1 week ago
You must learn how to read. I referred to "effeminent Christianity," a term that is used in theology to descirbe modern evangelical theology that does not teach or practice the fear of the the Lord. I do not know you. But your comments are typical of someone who does not fear God. In my book, Fearing God, I exegete every verse in the Bible where fearing God is found, I am just telling you what the Bible says on the subject. If you want the truth, get my book and and read it. :-)
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Spot on - you don't know me. I do fear God (believe it or not ;), but that doesn't stop me thinking, challanging, or even sometimes holding a position contrary to His (see Moses, Jonah, Peter, and some others). I think in greek the term is "Ball's" ... :P. OK now I'm just talking trash .. getting late this side of the world. Laters Dude.
Eric7Q 1 week ago
Can you imagine how big the "balls" it takes to say what I say? To go against the popular effeminent views of God? To tell people up front that if they do not repent they will perish? The prophets, apostles, and Jesus told people the truth withour sugar coating it.
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Granted. A unspeakable burden indeed. I guess most want to use incentives instead of threats because they don't want the blow back which is natural i guess.
Eric7Q 1 week ago
@Eric7Q Two murder attempts on my life tends to make you realize that telling the truth can be dangerous. But I am immortal until the time ordained by my God (Job 14:5). I love God and the truth of God and love people and know that they need the truth even when they do not want to hear it.
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
@FaithDefenders2008 I live in Africa so not that shocked by violence etc but nevertheless salute for taking a stand. Great is your reward. However I would say some ppl (and I include myself) just respond better to God's goodness (leading us to repentance) but close up when threatened no matter by who. Anyway have a good day.
Eric7Q 1 week ago
In my book, Fearing God, I demonstrate that some people are drawn to Jesus by the love of God while others are driven by fear of hell to go to Jesus. It has to do with psychology and amount of wickedness in someone's life. The more wicked, the more they are afraid of Jusitce. I donated $235,000 of my books to Frontline Ministries in South Africa to give away in Africa. Get in contact with Peter Hammond to see if he has any of books he can give you.
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Granted, an unspeakable burden indeed. I guess most christians want to use incentives instead of threats because they don't want the blow back / fallout.
Eric7Q 1 week ago
@Eric7Q Fear of man keeps most people in line.
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
Anybody preaching otherwise is a lying hell-bound hypocritical false prophet!
God bless you Dr. Morey for teaching the word of god in it's true form! God hates all workers of iniquity!
CptQuestionMark 2 months ago 5
@CptQuestionMark Thanks Bro. People do not want to know the truth today.
FaithDefenders2008 1 month ago 5
I get where you coming from .... I just think that then we should at least then drop term ''good news'' when reffereing to the gospel. Also this understanding radically darkens reality in my view ... and challanges traditional ideas of whats good and bad etc ... I mean is God really good. Is there really such a thing as good or is it some subjective concept? Maybe it's just a matter of might is right after all, thus God is like us he hates what he hates and loves what he loves.
Eric7Q 1 week ago
@Eric7Q You got it! Without the bad news that we sinners under the wrath of God, there is no good news of salvation through Christ dying under that wrath of God in our place. Paul gives the bad news of total depravity from Rom. 1-3. Then he begins the good news of salvation through Jesus Rom. 4-5.
FaithDefenders2008 1 week ago
What does God care if anyone goes to "Heaven" or not?
sttevenash 2 months ago
@sttevenash Rom. 9 says that God created the "vessels of wrath" and the "vessels of grace" for His glory. Heaven reveals His mercy and hell reveals His justice. Steven, you exist to glorify your Creator. Your sin and rebellion will lead you to suffer in hell. Yet, God calls you to repent of your sins and Jesus made a way for you to be delivered. Why continue in sin?
FaithDefenders2008 2 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 But who am I to desereve to go to either place? Furthmore, if God is perfect then why create Humanity? For what Purpose? Or is that a mystery left to us and one only known to God for a reason?
sttevenash 2 months ago
No, you deserve to go to hell right now because you have lied, stolen, cheated, hated, lusted, probably committed immorality, etc. For all I know, you are gay or a child molester. But God is merciful to you by not throwing you into hell today. He is giving you a chance to repent and accept Christ. There is no mystery why you were created: to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. By rebelling against God, His Word, and Son, you are digging yourself a place in hell.
FaithDefenders2008 2 months ago
The idea of God being angry about anything seems absurd given the claims of being all-knowing. If it is all-knowing, then it would know why any given individual does whatever they are doing...unlike the ignorance of an actual parent where anger may be understandable given the limits of knowledge.
MyContext 2 months ago
@MyContext Of course, "seems absurd" according to whom? You have set yourself up as the Origin of truth, justice, morals, meaning, and beauty. Thus you are a typical humanist.
FaithDefenders2008 2 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 You are of course correct with regard to the subjective implication inherent in your comment. This does of create an overall problem of ANY claims of understanding and subsequent acceptability depending on the interpretative extractions made.
MyContext 2 months ago
@MyContext You are self-refuting again. "Everything is relative" is an absolute. "There is no meaning" is quite meaningful. "What someone wrote cannot be understood by anyone else" is argued in books. "There is no truth," is that true? My book, The New Atheism, goes into the self-refuting nature of humanism and that relativism cannot generate truth, justice, morals, meaning, or beauty. If you begin only with your own limited reason, experience, and feelings, you will end up with nothing.
FaithDefenders2008 2 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 I haven't claimed that EVERYTHING is relative. I am claiming that meaning is relative to the understanding of the individual which I presume includes all humans. I grant that in general the subtle shifts of meaning/understanding is not a problem, however, the moment extrapolations are made these errors (if they are present) are magnified with each level of extrapolated notions.
MyContext 2 months ago
@MyContext "meaning is relative to the understanding of the individual" including you as an individual making that statement. You are cutting your own throat again! If what you think/say is only a relative thing that is only relative truth, then why bother saying anything at all? You cannot exempt yourself from your relativism. Please read my book, The Bible, Natural Law, and Natural theology for my discussion of your situaton. Then get back to me.
FaithDefenders2008 2 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Are you saying that you have access to knowledge beyond your experience and extrapolated notions interrelated to those experiences? Since, from my limited knowledge we are all bound by the limits of our individual reasoning, experiences, and biology that have developed the totality of what generally viewed as a person or whatever term that you find best descriptive of the cognitive aspects of what is presented of a person.
MyContext 2 months ago
@MyContext Yes. The biblical universals are transcendent, supra-temporal, and supra-cultural. God is there and He has spoken to us in human language to give us information that we could not otherwise have. You and I are particulars in search of univesals to expain ourselves and the world around us. Thus the Bible is "beyond" the limits of our individual reasoning." Experience qua experience is meanlingness. It must be explained by a universal outside of that experience to understand it.
FaithDefenders2008 2 months ago
God doesn't Love Me
sttevenash 3 months ago
@sttevenash Wonderful! That is where Paul begins in Romans. God is angry with us. His wrath is upon us and we are without excuse. Thisis why all kinds of bad things happen to us. The "Bad News" that we are sinners under the wrath of God prepares the way for the "Good News" that Jesus offers you a way to escape hell. Ask God to forgive your sins and ask Jesus to save you from hell. Until you see that you are lost, you will not seek to be found!
FaithDefenders2008 2 months ago
Robert, I apologize for my "snip" about your CDs on hermeneutics. I should've just said, "Their are a variety of hermeneutics and it appears that not all agree with yours." I do hope that you post my last comment. It contained scriptures that I believe are authoritative and difficult to explain in any other way than the most "obvious meaning," regardless of the various hermeneutical principals that might be applied. In all major translations they appear to be translated in the same way.
Peterhiett1 3 months ago
@Peterhiett1 I will email you directly. I use the historic Evangelical grammar/syntax/context hermeneutic. The way you take the Bible out context and "proof text" and then go on without exegesis is wrong. Instead of throwing a dozen verses at me and then running away, we will take each text one by one and show you that your interpretation violates grammar/syntax,context.
FaithDefenders2008 3 months ago
No, I'm not a JW. And I'm sorry that I didn't conjugate the verb for you... I know that it reads "tetelestai." I took one and a half years of Greek in Seminary... got an A each time. Why did none of the translators, in any major translation, translate John 12:30 “And when I’m lifted up, I will draw different kinds of people to myself”? Perhaps they all (not “different kinds”) need to order your CDs on hermeneutics…
Peterhiett1 3 months ago
Jh 12:32 1. The "lifting up" refered to crucifixtion. 2. "Men" is not in the GK. 3. The word "all" cannot refer to every human being from Adam to the last person born including those in hell. Not everyone is going to come to Christ. 4. Arminian as well as Reformed Commentaries see "all" as Jew/Gentile, rich/poor, male/female, etc. i.e. all differenct kinds of people will come to Christ. See Wesley's Commentary as a example. Are you a universalist or do you believe there are people in hell?
FaithDefenders2008 3 months ago
God can love and hate at the same time. "God is Love." But His wrath comes to an End, "with them the wrath of God is finished (from "teleo") - Rev. 15:1. Jesus is the End - Rev.22:13. "He does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in steadfast love." - Micah 7:18 "It is finished (teleo)." said Jesus upon the cross. John 12:30 "Now is the judgment of this world... And I, when I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all people to myself." 1 John 2:2 is a good comment on Psalm 145:9.
Peterhiett1 3 months ago
Are you a JW? All you do is take verses out of context. John 12:30 is not telos but τετέλεσται, meaning paid in full. How many years of Heb and Gk did you take on graduate level? I doubt you know either language. The same is true of John 12:30. Jesus will draw different kinds of people, not every human being. You are so ignorant of hermeneutics that you should stop pretending to interpret Scripture properly. Order my CDs on hermeneutics and learn how to interpret the Bible. Then get back to me.
FaithDefenders2008 3 months ago
Hey why don't you pray the next line in Psalm 139, like David? "Search me, O God and know my heart; test me and know my thoughts. See if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting." It turns out that David wasn't quite as righteous as Jesus. He clears it up in Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all, and his mercy is over all that he has made."
Peterhiett1 3 months ago 2
Now that I got your attention, taking verses out of context has always been the Arminian way of twisting the Bible. You assume that God cannot love and hate at the same time and it is one or the other. But God is angry with sinners every day and His wrath is upon them (John 3:36) and, at the same time, He loved sinners enough to send His Son for their salvation (john 3:16). Psa. 145:9 has to do with general Providence and not the extent of the atonement. You are ignorant of basic hermeneutics.
FaithDefenders2008 3 months ago
"But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those that hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those that abuse you... But love your enemies, do good, and lend expecting nothing in return. Your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High; FOR HE IS KIND TO THE UNGRATEFUL AND THE WICKED. BE MERCIFUL, JUST AS YOUR FATHER IS MERCIFUL." -Jesus (Luke 6:27, 35-36).
Peterhiett1 3 months ago
@Peterhiett1 "O that Thou wouldst slay the wicked, O God; Depart from me, therefore, men of bloodshed
for they speak against Thee wickedly and Thine enemies take Thy name in vain. Do I not hate those who hate Thee, O LORD? I hate them with the utmost hatred; They have become my enemies." (Psa 139:19-22)
FaithDefenders2008 3 months ago
@joshua76az I appreciate you honesty. I could tell you were a God-hater. Thank you for saying, "I hate God." Rom. 1 describes all haters of God as degenerates. I would not be surprised that you are gay. This is the last time I respond to you. I saw what you were from the beginning and it is only now you finally admit I was right.
FaithDefenders2008 4 months ago
He also makes a mistake of thinking that wrath and anger of God are not compatible with his love for sinner and thus equal hatred. The fact that parent may be angry with his children and punish them does not mean he does not love them.
"He does not retain His anger for ever because He delights in love." (Micah 7:18)
"In overflowing wrath for a moment I hid My face from you, But with everlasting love I will have compassion on you " (Isaiah 54:8)
givebackrankflv 4 months ago
@givebackrankflv Once again the context of the verses clearly refer to believers. I let the Bible tell me about God. That God is angry with unbelievers every day and that He will cast them into eternal hell is clearly taught. That He loves those whom He chose unto salvation and adopts them into His family and becomes their Father through grace is also clear. I feel sorry for people who are incapabe of interpreting Scripture according to context and grammar.
FaithDefenders2008 4 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Why is God angry with believers? Or was he angry with those believers while they were still unbelievers? Either the believers are sinners in which case God loves sinners or believers once were sinners in which case God still loves sinners, otherwise He wouldn't have them come to faith. In both cases God's anger at sin is compatible with His love for sinner. Does the unbeliever's future faith merit love of God or is it the love of God that enables unbeliever to come to faith?
givebackrankflv 4 months ago
@givebackrankflv Heb. 13 says that the Father is angry with His children when they sin. The Psalms are full of times when God was angry with his children. While God's anger toward his childrern is remedial, His angry toward the wicked is punitive. I am sure He is angry with you in one way or the other. You are intellectually incapable of interpreting the Bible according to context and grammar. You have used up Tit. 3:10 and I am forbidden to bother with you any more.
FaithDefenders2008 4 months ago
Of course God does love everybody.
"Behold, God is mighty, and despiseth not any" (Job 36:5)
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
"Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1 John 4:10)
"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
givebackrankflv 4 months ago
@givebackrankflv The whole point of reading the Bible is to see what God says. You began with the assumption that God loves eveyone with the same kind of love. Then you ran around taking verses out of context. For example, in Rom. 5 Christ died for "us." To whom does "us" refer IN THE CONTEXT? The context is clear that Christ died for "us" believers. The same is true of 1 John 4. Objective GK/Heb grammar, syntax, and context interpret the Bible, not feelings.
FaithDefenders2008 4 months ago
@Pianist4God When the Bible refers to "all men" (John 12:32;1 Tim. 2:1-6, Tit. 2:11; etc.) it means different kinds of people (Jew/Gentile, rich/poor, etc.). It does not mean every human from Adam to the last person. When Paul said to "pray for all men," does this mean to pray for the dead or people not yet born? No. Tit. 2 refers to old/young, masters/slaves, etc. In 2 Pet. 2:9, the word "to you" means that believers will not perish. The text and its context do not apply to every man.
FaithDefenders2008 4 months ago
To me it's really simple. If God is love, than God would have to be incapable of hate, as hate is the total opposite of what love is. For that reason among many others, I completely reject the idea that the Biblical God is anything close to the real God. You can call me a sinner, call me destined for hell or whatever you want, but nothing will ever make this view of God make sense to me anymore, because a good bit of it simply does not.
ajk 5 months ago
@ajk Your ignorance of logic and the Bible are astounding! 1. Your argument if valid would mean: "If God hates, then He is incapable of love." This is absurd. The same Bible that says God loves also says that He hates. 2. Your own words reveal you’re a humanist. You wrote that the only god you will accept is the one that "makes sense" to you. That is the point. You think that god must conform to what MAKES SENSE TO YOU, not what is revealed in the Bible.
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Yeah you are right it also says God hates, but then you have a total contradiction! You cannot say that God is love and than in the same breath say "Oh but God hates too" the two statements conflict with each other. You can't have it both ways. Either God is love or he's not, pretty simple. But then the Bible is full of things like this so that shouldn't be any surprise.
ajk 5 months ago
@ajk Yes! Yes! You got it. God is BEYOND all human comprehension, reason, logic, etc.. Our finite minds are not able to understand the infinite God. Any god you can understand is an idol. It is not "either...or" but "both...and." God is both One and Three at the same time; Christ was both God and man at the same time; God both loves and hates at the same time. You limit God when you reduce Him to what you can understand. Bow to God as revealed in Scripture. Put away your idols!
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
He acts like it's totally irrational to believe God loves all. I think he speaks a lot of truth, but by mocking those who struggle with this truth, he speaks the truth very unlovingly. When people read "God is love," they think God loves all. If this is incorrect, lovingly correct your brother, don't mock him. Be gentle with the sheep, don't treat them as wolves.
Gernatch 5 months ago
@Gernatch Why are you condemning the prophets, the apostles and Jesus? Have you ever read 1 Kings 18, Mat. 23, etc. where they mocked unbeliers? You are ignorant of the Bible, God, Jesus, and His servants. When the Bible says, "God is love" or "God is light," this was true before man was created. It does not mean God loves everyone the same way. It means that God is HOLY.
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 in Matthew 23, it's the wolves that are being addressed as I tried to make the distinction already at the end of my last post. We need to know when and how to mock a wolf and gently rebuke a sheep. This man is making no distinction. I'm not even arguing the love of God in my last post. I'm just saying that it's not entirely surprising people believe it, and I don't believe it's because they are "humanists." I believe they think scripture teaches it.
Gernatch 5 months ago
@Gernatch You poor little wolf! The cheap sheep skin you wear does not deceive me at all. You judge all strong men of God who follow the example of the prophets, apostles and Jesus as mean, unloving, unkind when it in reality you are a humanist who judges people by worldly standards. You should read the Bible, fall on your knees, repent of your sins, confess Christ as Lord, and renounce the devil and al his deeds. You are on the highway to hell and don't know it.
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
I have a huge amount of respect for you man
MrCraigTheGreat 5 months ago
God hates some people and loves all people. You are trying to further prejudice people against God, sending them away from Him at this apostate hour. You cannot be a friend of God; you are scattering, not gathering.
Mcfirefly2 5 months ago
@Mcfirefly2 Dear McFly, God tells us in Scripture that He loves His children, "the beloved of the Lord." Jesus told us that some people are "the children of the devil" and not the children of God (John 6). If you do not want to follow the Bible, then you are a child of the devil on your way to hell. That is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth according to the Bible.
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 "...the Lord says. Yet l have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated..." Malachi 1:2-5 Why did God hate Esau? Read Obadiah, there's only 1 Chapter & verses 8-18 are very clear. Hebrews 12:16 is also a reference. God's Children: Accept Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior. Romans 8:13-14; 16-17; Galatians 3:26-29; John 1:10-13; 1John 3:1-3; 7-10; 1John 5:18-21 We were chosen BEFORE the creation of the world: Ephesians 1:4-5; 11; 1Peter 1:1-2 We Believe so We Belong to Him!!
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Finally, someone with a brain and a Bible! Amen!
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Thank you very much. It is a shame that so many people don't read their Bibles, don't believe them, or they listen (watch) misleading tapes. I appreciate your post. May we meet soon on that sweet day when the Lord comes for His FAITHFUL Bride. MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Baruch ha Shem Yeshua ha Messiah!
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Yeshua HaMashiach
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Amen!
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
I read psalm 139 21-22, and I now know that you are confused. Do I not hate those who hate you, o lord, and abhor those who rise up against you? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies(psalm 139 21-22). These are the words of david, not god. It clearly says " of david" on the page.
MrCraigTheGreat 5 months ago
McCraigTheGreatlyIgnorant! The Bible is composed of the inspired words of Moses, David, Paul, etc. There is only one God in three Persons: Farher, Son, Holy Spirit.. The Father sent the Son to die for the elect He chose unto eternal life. The Son accomplished salvation for the elect. The Father and the Son sent the Spirirt to apply salvation to the elect. My book, Studies in the Atonement, proves all of this. Read it and then get back to me. Theology 101 is where you must begin.
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
So....hate came from God?
Eternalsummersong 5 months ago
@Eternalsummersong You got it!! God made us in His image with the capacity to love the good and hate the evil. God hates the wicked every day and, being created in His image, we hate them too. “Do I not hate those that hate You, O YHWH? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with the utmost hatred; they have become my enemies.” (Psa. 139:21-22). God said it, that settles it, I believe it!
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
@Eternalsummersong We should love what God loves and hate what He hates (1 John 2). While I give you Scripture, you give me none. I am afraid that you make a god in your image instead of accepting the God who reveals HImself in Scripture. Let God be as He has revealed in the Bible. The words "love," "hate, "anger" have positive and negative meanings. God is angry with sinners everyday and we are commanded to be angry in the same way (Eph 4:26). You have a god made from your feelings.
FaithDefenders2008 5 months ago
AMEN
PacmanBonez 6 months ago
Great video. The best verse I can think of is 1 Cor. 16:13- Quit you as men. His ways are not our ways. His thinking is above ours and we can only believe what His word says without needing to understand it all from our finite and human perspective. The more we believe and obey in faith the more knowledge and wisdom He gives so that we see Him for how he is although for now through a glass darkly. And yes it's difficult to deal with the proud boasters who say no a loving God would never do that.
Ebeneezerable 6 months ago
Amen
padreallenp 6 months ago
Quite a theological quagmire we have here!!! IS God the Creator really described by the bible? Or is it false Gods that are being described in the bible.? Is the bible really the word of God or just the word of man? I think the American Indians had it right - the Great Spirit! And they did it all without a 'bible'.
k0smon 7 months ago
@k0smon
First, the "American Indians" are now called "Native Americans." Second, the “Great Spirit” instructed the Native Americans to practice slavery, canniblaism, infanticide, mass murder, human sacrifices, putting quills into their penis, playing soccer with human heads, and other horrible things. Third, no wonder the missionaries identified the “Great Spirit” as Satan, the Bringing of death. I will follow the Messiah who is the Giver of Life.
FaithDefenders2008 7 months ago 3
Shalom, brother! Thanks God YAHWEH for brave brothers & sisters like you. I also have been fighting these false reprobate liars who love to throw this "God loves the sinners but hates the sin" trash. Because of them, billions of people have since gone to Hell.
God YAHWEH only loves those who OBEY His teachings. Preach that to the world & be prepared to be hated by everyone for you will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. We all die so isn't it best if we die for Him to eneter the Kingdom? Amen.
Prophet4YAHWEH 7 months ago
Antinomians would like to do away with 1900 years of Church History. This is a good video.
hardmod777 7 months ago
@hardmod777 After a series of ignorant people, you are a breath of fresh air.
FaithDefenders2008 7 months ago
Dr. Morey should first ask himself whether he hates his father, mother, wife, children and brethren because if he doesn't he's not a disciple of Jesus Christ, let alone a predestined elected Calvinist. (Luke 14:26). Now put that on your pudding and eat it.
lessingtom 7 months ago in playlist Reformed Theology
@lessingtom I will try once more to educate you. The founder of Dallas Seminary was a Calvinist who did not accept replacement theology. That you would dismiss the work of the greatest Scottish theologians only proves you are totally ignorant of church history. You need to read my book, How the Old and New Testaments Relate to Each Other, before you contact me again. I do not accept Covenant Theology or Dispensationalism. They are modern Gentile systems based on false Western philosophy.
FaithDefenders2008 7 months ago
@lessingtom
Gosh...you really got him there!
How does anyone withstand your amazing retorts?
rpavich 7 months ago
This guy deserves an OSCAR. He's a great actor. Not only that, he must obviously be a descendant of Jacob whom God loved and not Esau whom God hated. Nonetheless, isn't it funny that Calvinists who believe God has cast away Jacob (Israel) also believe that He has replaced them with the church (all the predestined elect). Replacement theology is in essence a form of hatred toward Jacob (Israel) whom God loves. What a travesty of God's sovereignty. Calvinists hate whom God loves. (Rom 11:28).
lessingtom 7 months ago
@lessingtom Ignorance of church history is truly one of the great weaknesses today. Many great Reformed theologians loved Israel and did not believe in replacement theology. Have you never heard of Robert Murray McCheyne? He and other Reformed leaders worked hard to create a Jewish homeland. Yes, I am a messianic Jew and most of my ancestors lived and died in the Jewish quarter in Rome, Italy. One last work, I am not “acting” but preaching the Word of God with all heart.
FaithDefenders2008 7 months ago
So if God truly hates his enemies in the true sense of the word hate, tell me why Jesus COMMANDED us to love them.
Luke 6:27
jdavis7181 8 months ago
@jdavis7181
Good question. Anger, hate, etc. can be either righteous or unrighteous. God's anger, wrath, fury, and hate are righteous in nature and are provoked by rebellion against God's law and truth. In the same way, we can have righteous anger, warth, fury, and hate in a righteous way provoked by rebellion against God, HIs law, and the gospel (Psa. 139:19-2). See Acts 13:6-11 fot NT example. The same is true of all emotions including love. They can be righteous or unrighteous.
FaithDefenders2008 8 months ago
According to Bible scholars, Loved and hated are not emotions but rather a matter of being blessed or not. "He was said to have 'loved' the one he adopted and 'hated' the one he did not adopt. Here all that is signified is that Jacob was blessed and Esau was not." That is according to a Nelson Study Bible. And according to this man, God is mad at the sinner. SO WHAT? Being mad at someone means you don't love them? He really needs to think before he speaks. Our parents punish us, but still love.
eisenbergply 8 months ago
@eisenbergply
Ignorance of Scripture is always a sad thing. Finsen is a sad example of this. He makes the claim that "Loved and hated are not emotions." Did he produce even one verse in the Bible where this claim is taught? No. The Bible speaks of the fierce anger of God and the fury of His wrath. Einsen’s god is an emotionless idol who neither loves nor hates. Sad. My God is personal as well as infinite. Our love and hate is a reflection of God’s love and hate. We are created in His image.
FaithDefenders2008 8 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 Ignorance of Scripture.Interesting. How on Earth do you assume that God's wrath implies hate? Does Dr. Morey ever produce one verse in the Bible where it says that in John 3:16 it means only his World of elect? It is ignorant, rather, to say our hate is in reflection to God's. God tells us not to hate. He commands us to love everyone as we love Him. I don't think our hate is a reflection of God's if he tells us not to.
eisenbergply 8 months ago
@eisenbergply
Psa. 139:21-22: Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies. John 3:16 restricts eternal life to "all who believe," not everyone That is, salvation is limited to the elect. The word "world" in Scripture can mean the Roman Empire (Lk. 2:1) or the evil that is in the world (1 John 2:15f) or other meanings. You are ignorant of basic hermeneutic.
FaithDefenders2008 8 months ago
I wonder how Robert Morey has convinced himself that he is among the elect
ChristianEastern 8 months ago
@ChristianEastern
By following the Biblical signs of election listed in 1 John and 2 Peter. See the chapter on Assuanc of salvation in my book on the atonement.
FaithDefenders2008 8 months ago
Burn your crosses make way for science.
Genericdruid 8 months ago in playlist Jesus Christ
@Genericdruid
As I documented in my book The Bible, Natural Theology, and Natural Law, "science" is a fallible ever-changing human attempt to understand man's subjective experiences in the world aound him. It is culturally conditioned and relative to time and place. What is considered scientific "fact" is dimissed as nonsense by the next generation of scientists. The Gospel does not change. The Bible does not change. It teaches eternal truths and morals.
FaithDefenders2008 8 months ago
This man is an angry Fez Whatley
mgundy 8 months ago
@mgundy
God is angry with sinners everyday according to the Bible. We can have righteous anger that reflects the anger of God. But I was not angry making the video series. I have a great time. But even if I had been angry, this is logically irrelevant to whether what I was saying was true. Were you angry when you accused me of anger?
FaithDefenders2008 8 months ago
Straight forward teaching. No opinions.
atoam 9 months ago
For an excellent read on these issues I'd recommend a book by D A Carson called 'The Difficult Doctrine of the Love of God'. God's love is over sentimentalized by universalists, who heretically deny God's wrath and his justice. But you can go off the path the opposite side too.'Kosmos' in J3.16 cannot mean elect only or you deny the gospel call is seriously meant to all. And yes I am 5 point Calvinist.
john17v17 10 months ago
Excellent video Dr. Morey! These universalists are spreading their filth all over Youtube like a virus. I'm looking forward to getting your book.
gtrjunky 10 months ago
@gtrjunky Universalism is an ancient heresy that came into the church with Origin and other pagan Greek philosophers. It orginally had Satan and the demons saved as welll. They twist Scripture to their own destruction. They have never been viewed as fellow Christians but as wolves in sheep clothing. They worship a false god, honor a false Jesus, and preach a false gospel. Clark Pinnock, who is now in hell, recommended Death and Afterlife as the best refutation of it.
FaithDefenders2008 10 months ago
So Dr. Morey, Do you apply the same standard to Jews/current day Israel who reject Christ as well? That they who have rejected Christ will not be saved?
theos1logos 10 months ago
@theos1logos The Bible says that anyone, Jew or Gentile, who does not accept Yehsua as the divine Messiah, will go into eternal punishment. This includes you.
FaithDefenders2008 10 months ago
what is the holy divinity???????????????
highpitchike 10 months ago
@highpitchike
The One true Creator of heaven and earth who will one day throw you into the lake of fie for all the wickedness, immorality, and evil you have done.
FaithDefenders2008 10 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 That is mean!!! I thought as a christian you want to spread the love of christ, Is the word of god so desparate for people were you have to induce fear to try to convert. From you it sounds like a god you speak of hates us and you forget some people have a hard time with faith and all of the bible. Is it your job to condem and judge what happens or is that gods. Will you have much pride or will you finnally surrender to your arranagnce. I am just asking questions?
highpitchike 10 months ago
Jesus was called "mean" because He told sinners the truth. A true Christian will tell you the truth. You are under the wrath of God for all your wicked ways. On the Day of Judgment Jesus will say to you, "Depart from me, you accursed one, into the eternal fire." Christ will throw you into eternal hell. You are without hope and salvation. Turn or burn. Repent or Perish. There is a heaven to gain and a hell to shun. Jesus is the only way to heaven. Accept Him as prophet, priest, and king.
FaithDefenders2008 10 months ago
Yet another nitwit who doesn't have a clue about Hebrew idioms or the purpose of election.
"Jacob I loved, Esau I hated". This has NOTHING to do with human emotion. This is an idiom of ELECTION.
It means: "Jacob have I CHOSEN (for a specific purpose), but Esau have I NOT CHOSEN (for this purpose)".
Chosen for WHAT? Eternal salvation? Hardly. God's elect are CHOSEN to BRING salvation/healing to ALL NATIONS in the "ages to come". For God is the savior of ALL men - 1 Tim 4:10.
jblogempire 10 months ago
Since I was chosen to translate the Psalms for a new Bible translation, I am not the "nitwit." I started studying Hebrew under Rabbi Gold when I was 16yrs old. That means 50 years of Hebrew! The Hebrew text does not say, "chosen." The purpose of election is stated quite clearly in 2 Thess. 2:13, "chose you to be saved." The Greek text is quite clear that the purpose of election is salvation. In 1 Tim. 4:10, God the Father is the "Preserver " (cf. Eph. 5:23) of all kinds of people.
FaithDefenders2008 10 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008
Here is the truth of 2 Thess 2:13:
(Douay-Rheims)
For that God hath chosen you FIRSTfruits unto salvation
(English Standard Version)
Because God chose you as the FIRSTfruits to be saved
The "elect" are the FIRST [beginning] ones to receive salvation, not the ONLY ones. The world shall be saved THROUGH the SEED [Christ+Elect]. This is the promise God gave Abraham.
Second Witness:
James 1:18
By the message of truth so that WE would be the FIRSTFRUITS —OF— His CREATURES.
SaviourOfAll 10 months ago
@SaviourOfAll
Universalism is a damnable heresy that came out of Greek philosophy. I wrote what many have called the best refutation of that heresy in my book, Death and the Afterlife. It has been used as a textbook on heaven and hell in over 15 seminaries. I feel sorry for you. So ignorant of Hebrew and Greek that you have depend on English translations. Check what "son of perdition" means. Once you have read my book, then get back to me. The Unitarians and the Universlaists joined together.
FaithDefenders2008 10 months ago
@FaithDefenders2008 BTW: You claim I "depend on English translations". False:
James 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures
Greek:
βουληθεὶς [HAVING DELIBERATED] ἀπεκύησεν [HE BEGOT] ἡμᾶς [US - the elect] λόγῳ [BY WORD] ἀληθείας [OF TRUTH] εἰς [SO] τὸ [THE] εἶναι [TO BE] ἡμᾶς [US - the elect] ἀπαρχήν [FIRSTFRUITS] τινα [SOME] τῶν [OF THE] αὐτοῦ [OF HIM] κτισμάτων [CREATURES].
The ELECT are the FIRST of all creatures.
SaviourOfAll 10 months ago
@SaviourOfAll
How many years of college, university or seminary classes in Greek have you had? I doubt you have had 5 min. of education in Hebrew or Greek. The interlinear text you quoted is a favorite Calvinistic text. It shows that regeneration is the due to the exercise of God's will, not man's. The same doctrine is taught in John 1:13. .
FaithDefenders2008 9 months ago
maybe god doesn't love everybody, but I do. If god gave me the power to choose between love and hate, and i choose to love everyone of his creations, and he still sends me to hell, then i don't want to go to heaven.
highpitchike 10 months ago
@highpitchike
"I don't want to go to heaven." You wish will be fulfilled at death. You can count on it.
FaithDefenders2008 10 months ago
I'm reading a really good book called "Dominion and Common Grace" by Gary North, and he systematically demonstrates how grace does not necessitate favor. Just as we should love our neighbors, by doing this we heap fiery coals on their head. In the same way, God loves His enemies, not an emotional love, but the fulfillment of the law is love. And He does this to condemn the reprobate even further.
AugmentedMinor 11 months ago
@AugmentedMinor I am a big fan of North myself.
shyshortazn 11 months ago
@GOheAT136
Thank you for identifiying your personal problem. Evidently you have the problem of hating people who disagree with you. A lot of people have this probelm because they do not know the love of GOd. The Apostle John warns us in 1 John that if we hate people we are not saved.
FaithDefenders2008 11 months ago
@all4Hisgloryalone
I suggest you study English grammar and spelling as well as logic. But I am happy to see you are beginnig to think. That is my goal with students. If I get people to define their doctrines and words, they half way to Calvinism. I state the the word "love" had different meanings. When sloppy Christians run around saying, "God loves you" without defining what they mean, they are foolish.
FaithDefenders2008 11 months ago
Nick, I wrote the book, The New Athesim, for people willing to think through the issues and not just react emotioinally. You can find a used copy on Amazon. It answers the kind of questions you have. Once you read it, I would like to correspond wirh. I was raised atheist/agnostic and ended up believing that Yeshua was the Messiah. Dr. Bob
FaithDefenders2008 1 year ago
The use of ad hominem arguments is to attack the motives/character of someone whose biblical arguments you cannot answer. Malachi had the "agenda" of raising money to rebuild the temple; Paul wrote 2 Cor.; Gal. and Philippians to raise money. Should we reject those books? No. But in this case you are not ignorant of Scrpture. That I direct people to my website so they can obtain books, CDs, DVDs, etc. is biblical, righteous and holy. That is why you watched my video for free.
FaithDefenders2008 1 year ago
Good video. I've been struggling with this issue myself. We need to stop interpreting the Bible based on our emotions; we need sound exegesis. Psalm 5:5, Psalm 11:5, Romans 9:13, etc. are NOT negated by John 3:16. John 3:16 is NOT the only verse in the Bible.
AlalmF 1 year ago
Amen!
waterfalrain 1 year ago
This is such a fundamental teaching of Holy Writ yet missed by so many. They take the presupposition that God loves everyone who has ever existed into their study of Scripture. When you point this out to them from the Bible they respond in an emotional fashion reciting some mantra. Thanks for the video. :-)
theocratickingdom30 1 year ago 2
Great Video
jacksonguitars777 1 year ago
Dr. Robert Morey - thank you for this piece. Keep on trucking!
earthless 1 year ago 3
@1JoshuaKirk
Someone who has several doctorates in theology and has published 55 books is not a "pseudo-theologian." But a kid who can't even understand the difference between the attributes and attitudes of God and resorts to name calling does not manifest a childlike faith that seeks knowledge. Instead, you are childish and immature. Thus I leave you in the hands of God and will not waste my time any more.
FaithDefenders2008 1 year ago 5
@1JoshuaKirk
I went to your site and found you exactly what I imagined: A nice young man who has not been educated in logic or theology and thus makes all kinds of simple but sincere mistakes. To confuse God's immutable attributes with HIs mutable attitudes is so fundamental an error that it would put you to public shame. But when you failed even to grasp that distinction and continued on in that error, this revealed you are not ready to grow in knowlege.
FaithDefenders2008 1 year ago
@lampstandburning You name-calling ("self-righteous" and "pharisee" ) reveal your hatred for me. But if you hate your brother, how can the love of God be in you? I could be the most wicked man in the world and yet tell you the truth.
FaithDefenders2008 1 year ago 2
@1JoshuaKirk You need to do a simple Bible study on the use of the word "world" in the Bible. When John tells us, "Love not the world," you line of thought means that we are not to love anyone. When Jesus said, "I do not pray for the world," does this mean He does not intercede for his people? Of course not! Joshua, you need to study the Bible.
FaithDefenders2008 1 year ago
@1JoshuaKirk
I do not see the word "love" anywhere in the text. That God is "good" to the children of the devil by sending them rain is clear. But the passage is not denying that God loves His children with a special redemptive love. God's attitude toward His children is different from His attitude toward the devil's children. The love that I have for my wife and children is not that the same kind of love that I have toward all people in general.
FaithDefenders2008 1 year ago
You have committed two simple categorical fallacies: 1. You assume that God’s attitudes are the same as God’s attributes. 2. You also assume that God’s attitudes (benevolence) must be as infinite and immutable as His attributes (goodness). But God’s attitudes (the way He views and treats us ) change while His attributes (what He is in and of Himself) do not change). God’s attitudes toward us change change from day to day and are not infinite, immutable, etc.
Hence your argument is erroneous
FaithDefenders2008 1 year ago
When we discuss the subject at hand with younger in Christ(hopefully), when do we cross the line of Romans 14? Has any of you discussed this with Bible ignorant and Bible dumb young Christians? You get called hateful for backing up your statement with truth. If a dog or swine calls me hateful, I rejoice. I just worry about crossing the line on Romans 14 where it discusses stumbling blocks for those only able to handle herbs between the meat eaters.
MrHurricaneIKE 1 year ago
i wish a debate with dr. morey....
i can play a muslim, or buddhist or jew....
he will leave christianity (or his version of christianity) anyway.
the same day.
BakinKoljac 1 year ago
Nobody should be riled up by the message he's giving. God is sovereign. Every breath we draw is by the grace of God. Allow God to rule and to do what is right, please. Thank you. God is not going around begging for souls, He saves those whom He will and those He does not, He will judge. That's it. End of story. Praise the Lord.
athlete117 1 year ago 2
excellent~
empiricalpoet 1 year ago
God says He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy.
He is sovereign.
He did not 'look down the corridors of time and know who would 'accept him''
What a cop out! No no, read the Bible. This isn't Calvinism it is Christianity.
They are one and the same.
It is God who chooses. Call it what you will, but if you have a problem with that, you have a problem with God!
silmalila 1 year ago
Amazing stuff !!
krisv001 1 year ago
What a great message. The truth hurts.
OneFromSomewhereElse 1 year ago
@OneFromSomewhereElse
"the truth hurts" - thats why everybody listen to such sermons.
they want the easier alternative.
BakinKoljac 1 year ago
This is a great video. Thank you for producing it. I have posted it on my facebook page. Surprisingly - I've gotten some negative feedback; but such is expected when truth is rightly preached!
ChristianTULIP 1 year ago
For All non-believers: 1 Corinthians1:19 ~ For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. ~
God Bless Brother!!!
WILLTHEWGMAN 1 year ago
All the suffering we see in the world proves that God doesn't love everybody. If he did really love everyone, we'd all be in heaven, but we're not. Man creates hell for himself for going outside of God's standards. Christians outta read the OT to see the real truth.
Navybluthrd002 1 year ago
Also, the common distinction that "God loves the sinner but hates the sin" is just a distortion of what Puritans said. Properly stated, God loves all sinners in that they are in his image, but hates them at the same time in another respect in that they are in sin. So, God can love and hate the same person at the same time, but in different respects. This is even true of the elect. When unbelievers, God hates them. Nevertheless, they are loved in that they are His elect.
YnottonY8369 1 year ago
AMEN!!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!!
aethiops007 1 year ago
This guy is a real christian.
plcrank 2 years ago
Real talk.
plcrank 2 years ago
You gotta love creepy christian dudes like this!! He is right, god don't love him.
sickofgod69 2 years ago
He tells the Word AS IT IS. The truth hurts so many people because they want it to sound sweet to their ears. Hellooooo! No! It is good news for the human spirit, not the ears! It is because their spirits is full of demons that tehy don't like it when soemone tells the truth of God as it is.
Either you submit to His Word or get out of the way. Don't hang around like a bad stick, for example. Hehehh. Simple as that.
sthcrox 2 years ago
Hey:
Reading comments people post on your video is sad.
Remember, MANY prophets and other people actively sharing TRUTH come under massive attacks from (christians?)
The bible warn of those hearing what their ears WANT to hear. people like the watered down christianity; Slippery grace and condemn people with TRUTH.
Many will overlook your message and will one day be at the doors of heaven and turned away while hearing God say I don't KNOW you...
Thanks for the GREAT message!
itsljames 2 years ago