(1/1) I disagree with sowildpaul, It is just domino effect of the whole system. I think it is the whole system that screw Deaf people. As soon as the parents find out that their child(ren) are Deaf, they panic and wouldn't know what to do with them. They feel like their world just ended. Doctors don't educate or refer them to the right sources to help the children. They would almost always refer them to audiologists, and some audiologists would usually give them the option of cochlear implants.
(1/2) They don't usually recommend parents to learn ASL, so they miss 4 years worth of language, they couldn't thrive as they should have. Then parents would dump the children to Deaf school in hope that the schools would take responsibilities of taking care and teach their children. I feel that it's the educators' fault at Deaf schools because they don't try to educate the parents what to do with their children when they are home on weekends or during holidays, or whoever commute home daily.
@KITTGIRL83 My foster mom didn't know ASL and yet I am smart. Therefore some deaf kids are dumb because they are not motivated, not because their parents didn't learn ASL to talk with them during their first 4 years, shithead. All of your comments make no sense.
(1/3) It's also the educators fault because they don't care enough to raise the standard of the education to the point where the children could thrive and be as equal as hearing students who went to public schools or private schools. If the teacher felt that they couldn't control or teach the students, THEY shouldn't be teaching at all! Where the hell is discipline?!
@KITTGIRL83 Discipline for who? The teachers? LOL First of all, have you been to a deaf school and if so, how long? If you never went to a deaf school or went there for a short time, no wonder why you don't know what I talked about. The teachers do their job but some students choose not to pay attention and don't want to do their homeworks. The school can't kick them out legally so they are sent to a vocational school on campus instead. I repeat, I witnessed it myself all those years.
@KITTGIRL83 If the deaf school offers advanced courses like the ones in public HS, I guarantee you that 80 percent of the students will fail. Know why? Because they are learning slow. I worked with deaf mental-retarded clients for one year and they reminded me of my schoolmates who learned slow as well. I tried my best to improve the clients' skills but some of them learned slow or didn't want to learn so should I get fired? No different between that and all deaf schools.
My point is that FSDB is not the only one that offers basic education. Almost all deaf schools do that, too because MANY DEAF STUDENTS ARE SLOW LEARNERS. If they were required to learn algebra, most likely almost all would get a F. Sad but true.
@sowildpaul How do you know you're not 'blaming the victims'? Victims of low expectations(which you apparently have of Deaf in general..), of crappy education methods- perhaps SEE/PSE/Total Comm. etc just simply are not effective, perhaps ASL would have given 'way better' results? ASL being a true language- foundation for learning other languages, and being able to easily teach concepts, and so on. How about the fact that most deaf are born to hearing parents?
@kaalnek I've seen so many hearing parents who were unable to communicate with their deaf children. Result: deaf child does not have exposure to language until they are enrolled in school. Delayed language development can have long lasting effects due to limited natural window for language learning/development. Big shame to blame the deaf child for being a so-called "slow learner" if he/she was the victim of one or more of above or various other causes. And to keep expectations low... Sad!
@kaalnek ALOT of students were sent to a vocational school on the campus because they were slow learners in academic classes. Like I said before, i saw everything with my own eyes for 12 years. They could get smart like me but they were not motivated. They were lazy to study hard. Nevertheless, the vlog was about the deaf school in FLA that offers basic courses only so I was stating the reason why. The students failed because the teachers didn't use ASL? That's so full of shit.
@kaalnek That's no excuse for anyone who was born deaf to hearing parents. I was one of them. What's more, I grew up in a foster home since I was 3 and there was NO ASL in that house. However I did great at school. How did I do that? MOTIVATION to learn no matter what my teachers used to teach us. I know more than you do because I was there for 12 years. The staff realized that this school was too easy for me so they encouraged me to go to college which I did during my HS senior year.
I never forget that day when in my junior year I asked my math teacher why she didn't teach us algebra. She asked me if I want to learn it so I said yes since I was just starting to learn it from my 21 years old Chinese friend at dorm. She went ahead and taught us algebra. At the end of the school year, I was the only one who got an A. Two or three classmates got a B or C. The rest got a F because they were not motivated. (cont)
Many deaf schools don't have courses like the ones in public/private schools because thousands and thousands of deaf students are slow learners. That's a fact. I was educated from kindergarten to high school at New Jersey School for the Deaf and I saw everything with my own eyes. The big problem is that those students have no motivation to learn. They just want to have fun. The teachers go along with it because they know that the students don't want to learn. Whose fault is it?
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mnkstrxx 3 months ago
(1/1) I disagree with sowildpaul, It is just domino effect of the whole system. I think it is the whole system that screw Deaf people. As soon as the parents find out that their child(ren) are Deaf, they panic and wouldn't know what to do with them. They feel like their world just ended. Doctors don't educate or refer them to the right sources to help the children. They would almost always refer them to audiologists, and some audiologists would usually give them the option of cochlear implants.
KITTGIRL83 7 months ago
(1/2) They don't usually recommend parents to learn ASL, so they miss 4 years worth of language, they couldn't thrive as they should have. Then parents would dump the children to Deaf school in hope that the schools would take responsibilities of taking care and teach their children. I feel that it's the educators' fault at Deaf schools because they don't try to educate the parents what to do with their children when they are home on weekends or during holidays, or whoever commute home daily.
KITTGIRL83 7 months ago
@KITTGIRL83 My foster mom didn't know ASL and yet I am smart. Therefore some deaf kids are dumb because they are not motivated, not because their parents didn't learn ASL to talk with them during their first 4 years, shithead. All of your comments make no sense.
sowildpaul 7 months ago
(1/3) It's also the educators fault because they don't care enough to raise the standard of the education to the point where the children could thrive and be as equal as hearing students who went to public schools or private schools. If the teacher felt that they couldn't control or teach the students, THEY shouldn't be teaching at all! Where the hell is discipline?!
KITTGIRL83 7 months ago
@KITTGIRL83 Discipline for who? The teachers? LOL First of all, have you been to a deaf school and if so, how long? If you never went to a deaf school or went there for a short time, no wonder why you don't know what I talked about. The teachers do their job but some students choose not to pay attention and don't want to do their homeworks. The school can't kick them out legally so they are sent to a vocational school on campus instead. I repeat, I witnessed it myself all those years.
sowildpaul 7 months ago
@KITTGIRL83 If the deaf school offers advanced courses like the ones in public HS, I guarantee you that 80 percent of the students will fail. Know why? Because they are learning slow. I worked with deaf mental-retarded clients for one year and they reminded me of my schoolmates who learned slow as well. I tried my best to improve the clients' skills but some of them learned slow or didn't want to learn so should I get fired? No different between that and all deaf schools.
sowildpaul 7 months ago
My point is that FSDB is not the only one that offers basic education. Almost all deaf schools do that, too because MANY DEAF STUDENTS ARE SLOW LEARNERS. If they were required to learn algebra, most likely almost all would get a F. Sad but true.
sowildpaul 7 months ago
@sowildpaul How do you know you're not 'blaming the victims'? Victims of low expectations(which you apparently have of Deaf in general..), of crappy education methods- perhaps SEE/PSE/Total Comm. etc just simply are not effective, perhaps ASL would have given 'way better' results? ASL being a true language- foundation for learning other languages, and being able to easily teach concepts, and so on. How about the fact that most deaf are born to hearing parents?
kaalnek 7 months ago
@kaalnek I've seen so many hearing parents who were unable to communicate with their deaf children. Result: deaf child does not have exposure to language until they are enrolled in school. Delayed language development can have long lasting effects due to limited natural window for language learning/development. Big shame to blame the deaf child for being a so-called "slow learner" if he/she was the victim of one or more of above or various other causes. And to keep expectations low... Sad!
kaalnek 7 months ago
@kaalnek ALOT of students were sent to a vocational school on the campus because they were slow learners in academic classes. Like I said before, i saw everything with my own eyes for 12 years. They could get smart like me but they were not motivated. They were lazy to study hard. Nevertheless, the vlog was about the deaf school in FLA that offers basic courses only so I was stating the reason why. The students failed because the teachers didn't use ASL? That's so full of shit.
sowildpaul 7 months ago
@kaalnek That's no excuse for anyone who was born deaf to hearing parents. I was one of them. What's more, I grew up in a foster home since I was 3 and there was NO ASL in that house. However I did great at school. How did I do that? MOTIVATION to learn no matter what my teachers used to teach us. I know more than you do because I was there for 12 years. The staff realized that this school was too easy for me so they encouraged me to go to college which I did during my HS senior year.
sowildpaul 7 months ago
I never forget that day when in my junior year I asked my math teacher why she didn't teach us algebra. She asked me if I want to learn it so I said yes since I was just starting to learn it from my 21 years old Chinese friend at dorm. She went ahead and taught us algebra. At the end of the school year, I was the only one who got an A. Two or three classmates got a B or C. The rest got a F because they were not motivated. (cont)
sowildpaul 7 months ago
Many deaf schools don't have courses like the ones in public/private schools because thousands and thousands of deaf students are slow learners. That's a fact. I was educated from kindergarten to high school at New Jersey School for the Deaf and I saw everything with my own eyes. The big problem is that those students have no motivation to learn. They just want to have fun. The teachers go along with it because they know that the students don't want to learn. Whose fault is it?
sowildpaul 7 months ago