@BionicDance Was I supposed to tear up when you started on about a human team effort? I am glad I found your channel. I love it so far and your sci-fi style animations are awesome. They remind me of Reboot, a cartoon I was able to watch only rarely, when I played hookie from church on Sundays in the 80s or 90s. ^_^
You do a good job with emotion and expression, and , in particular, with eyes. They really tell the tale, with emphasis. Please keep it up. Also, all artists put themselves into the work they do; writers write from experience; you how it goes. So Sandra and Keight overlap a bit? What's wrong with that? Your detractors will use it against you. Ignore them. They do not have the ability to grasp art, or artists.
really fantastic. that zoom in for CU on "He isnt." was brilliant. YOu really have fiercely sharp developed intellect. I wish I had smart friends like you. A lot of people are dumb or just dont use their smarts. A+
I completely agree. And I can see the appeal of wanting there to be a god, but even a deistic god doesn't make sense, since why would a disinterested god, or a god disinclined to guide its creation, create in the first place? I don't have an ant farm because I don't want or need one, and probably would ignore it or forget about it after a couple of days. What point is there in creating or having a world, only to ignore it? To the detriment of the beings that inhabit it? It's all nonsense.
I like the postive messge that you are trying to get out there. I agree in that for an atheist time is the most vauble thing a person has, and it shouldn't be cheapen by thinking you have an infinte amout of it, i.e. eternal life. Be glad and thankful when some spends this vauble comodity on you, and experiance the same joy as you spend yours on others.
I just can't get over how great an animator you are.
I've been faving every one of these as I watch them, just because I have a massive soft spot for indie animators.
But you're really, really good.
I wonder if you'd consider making a feature-length film with this character, and a plot and story. But you're a great dialogue writer too. It's very hard to write monologues that can remain very engaging, and be funny and insightful. And animated!
I HAVE considered making a feature film, but...it's a LOT of work and I'm just one person. But I'm working on a new short series you might enjoy called "Java Centauri". It's about an alien coffeeshop. :)
@BionicDance: It really stood out; the kind of shot most people would just fudge. The whole animation is good, body language and facial expressions and so on, but that one difficult shot done so well really sells the character and the point she's making.
Shh! You'll spoil the illusion. It's a tiny error and we're all massively jealous of your talent. In a fair universe, you'd be making buckets of money.
Experience the thing you don't believe in then you will know. Your life is not the life of others. Your experiences are not the experiences of other. Wishes have nothing to do withit. Experiences have everything to do it. When you lose all in suffering maybe you too will find that you cry and whine for forgiveness to a deaf entity.
does your description of evil mean that any form of crime, can be committed without punishment, when the perpetrator is never apprehended in their life?
It's kind of like, when people are faced with Althiemer's disease they just throw up their hands and say "Well, I'm sure this is all part of God's plan." Instead of doing that, people should be trying to find a cure for Althiemer's. (And I apologize if I'm misspelling that.)
for interest sake lying a foot from me now is a D cell maglite touch but I don't have much of an emotional attachmet to that however. still its usful if the power goes out.
It's a claim yes, but the bible is substantiated enough through its prophecies and consistency in interpretation to not be merely a conjecture about God.
Really? Most historians, theistic or not, would disagree with you on that.
Many of you atheists have a lot in common with creationists; you'll ignore evidence when it doesn't suit you and make claims without properly researching things for yourself.
Historical events can't be repeated (which is part of the empirical method) the same way scientific experiments can, so we can only substantiate or discredit historical events by making use with what we have, or by uncovering older documents. I commend your ability to animate, I just wish you'd think more about your atheistic stance before promoting it.
First, it's called the SCIENTIFIC method, not the empirical method.
Second, we're not talking about forming a hypothesis which we then prove using the scientific method, thus developing a theory.
Third, we ARE talking about proving that something IS real or that something DID happen, as relying on subjective eyewitness accounts is NOT how history is written.
Fourth, I've thought PLENTY about my stance; it seems that YOU need to think more.
And do you think that a SINGLE eyewitness account is enough for a history book or historian to confidently describe an event as having DEFINITELY happened? *raised eyebrow*
Cuz if so, there'z this bridge in Brooklyn I could let go cheap...
You do realize that the bible's a library of eye witness accounts, not a single account, with most books/letters written independently of the other books within it don't you?
No, seriously...that bridge can be yours today; only twenty grand!
*rolls eyes skyward*
The bible is a library of after-the-fact and second-to-fifth-hand accounts with ZERO corroborative non-biblical accounts to back up any of its supernatural claims, and NOT a reliable source of historical information AT ALL.
Rubbish, accounts from Josephus, Tacitus (both Romans), Suetonius, the Jewish Talmud concurred events about Christ (and 1st century AD prophecies) despite the fact that the Jews hated him.
Thanks for proving to me that you'd rather make claims about the bible than actually go and research these claims yourself.
Nope I read it fine, Josephus recorded supernatural events around the destruction of Jerusalem (one of the main themes of revelation - which was written by some guy isolated and imprisoned from everyone else on an island).
No, I'm NOT actually backtracking; this is the relevant point and always has been.
But I agree; it's best this ends. We're just talking past each other at this point. We simply do not hold the same standards for evidence and so we have no basis for actually reaching a consensus.
No they dont & if they R honest 1s they cant. No written accounts (especially from 2K yrs ago) could ever B accepted as true. Thats just normal historical narative. When the S. Claims start, then, the requirement 4 evidence skyrockets!
if there were 50 agreeing eye-witnesses which we had no evidence 4, other than text, they'd have 2 B taken with a grain of salt, especially if those witnesses couldnt B identified & proven 2 have existed. Even then, theres no way to verify.
Just yesterday, I spent about 3 hours trying to argue this same exact issue witha Fubdie who didn't want to hear it! He was in deep denial & kept saying the resurrection was true simply by way of the biblical accounts! I even explain the problems with M,M,L,& J, in that there was conflicting accounts Y apparent plagiarism between at least 2 of the 4, so how can we take any of them seriously after that?
It's sad that some want to believe so bad, they'll accept anything as evidence!!
Josephus is considered a fraud. But it makes no difference bcuz it's all hearsay!! Written historical accounts cannot be relied on unless there is additional evidence to support it. But once supernatural claims r presented, the playing firld changes. It's even harder to give "eny" ceredence to such claims. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!"
prophecies?? All of that could have easily been manipulated by the fathers of the early church...the NT to match the OT.
Religion... Plainly put - is InSaNiTy. Perhaps, before science was being used, it had its place in the world. What other explanations could humans come to when they didn't have our minds, our tools, our technology, our experiences? But, now the idea of religion has become quaint, outdated, even obsolete if you may. I believe that soon, there could be an awakening of consciousness. With religion struck off the face of the planet; real world peace will finally be given an actual chance.
Well, it's not as if their god is the most rational, reasonable, kind, and peaceful role model.
I mean, theirs is the god that tortured a guy on a dare from Satan, theirs is the god that sent meteorites to destroy Gay Vegas (aka, Sodom and Gomorrah), theirs is the god that drowned THE ENTIRE WORLD except Noah and his menagerie, theirs is the god who gives no indication that he exists yet allows people to be dumped into ETERNAL TORMENT for not believing in him
Good points all! Wish I were a film maker, you gave me a great idea. Something about God, then natural disasters, floods and other crazy shit. Then that scene from Back to the Future III when Marty calls Mad Dog an asshole.
I found this one very engaging. You made a great connection in relating the movie to the concept. I've only spent one class of a semester learning how to model, but I'm hoping to get a career in game design (3-D or otherwis, as I love mixed media stuff, but my ultimate goal is to educate).
BionicDance have you ever thought about doing videos where u rationally examine other topics instead of religion?things like ideologies,philosophical ideas about human nature,society etc. i would really love to see you do something like that :)
Well, I COULD...but religion's the topic that bugs the CRAP out of me, so that's the one I tend to focus on.
Besides, human nature and society aren't exactly rational topics; much of society comes down to preference, which isn't exactly a rational thing, and human nature has an annoying tendency to also be irrational. To critically examine them in order to try and MAKE them rational seems to me to be a denial of human nature.
I prefer to rationally deal with existence claims, debunking faith.
well,i just thought it would be nice to hear your thoughts on other stuff.Stuff that influences our lives much more then religion,like political ideologies such as capitalism and communism....but maybe that's boring and as you said it all comes down to preferences...so yeah.But i feel that such things should be discussed and examined rationally because they are such a huge part of our lives....so i guess what i'm saying is that i'd like to hear u talk about things that i'm interested in...
Well, religion certainly affects our lives in rather far-reaching ways.
As a lesbian, I find that religion has been used as an excuse to decide whether or not I can marry the person of my choice. Or the choices of my straight friends to seek abortion if they want it. And in the medical community, stem cell research--which could have very far-reaching benefits for everybody--is being blocked by the religious as well.
I'm simply attacking these problems at the root: religion.
yeah.religion affects those areas ,i agree with u especially with the stem cell research....but political ideologies decide wether u live in a mansion with a pool,all of it being your private property or u get the same payment as everyone else and everything that u got is state owned and u have to call everyone "comrade"...so these other topics are as,or more important then religion and i think they deserve the same attention as the atheism-theism disputes
Well, I find it difficult to call politics a discussion for rationality; I can't think of a more irrational, preference-based social construct than that...except possibly matters of love.
Yeah,youre probably right,I guess I shouldnt be so uptight about stuff like that,but when I see how countries affected by communism are like,such as north korea it kinda sucks me into this whole ideological thinkingbut I guess I should just be happy that I dont live in such countries,I guess I should believe in the hope that humanity will get to a point where its so technologically evolved that there wont be any need for economy or monetary systems,u know?
Hey thanks to NonStampCollecter I've subscribed - serious question though....I'm slightly worried about my obsession with religious bullshit and my incapacity to understand "believers." In social situations somebody starts quoting the bible, mentioning Jesus, mentioning the pope I HAVE to react - my girlfriend keeps reminding me that I shouldn't comment - that makes me angrier 'cause I have the right to talk as well. No? What are your thoughts?
I must say, I agree with all your points, except that "Science points to there being no deity, or a deistic one". Science says nothing about the existence of God, it's just not included. Science doesnt say "Organisms evolve, so God has nothing to do with it" nor does it say "Organisms evolve, so God had something to do with it". It's simply "Organisms evolve". Other than that particular point, I'd say that I enjoyed watching it, and look foward to the forth one :) Keep up the good work
Perhaps I should clarify; what science DOES say is, "Given the evidence, here is how organisms appear to have involved; the intervention of a deity was not apparent in our investigations and the process seems to work perfectly fine through entirely natural and mundane agencies."
Which is more or less what I meant when I said that science points to there being no god, or to a non-interventionist deity.
lol, seemed like icing on the cake of the slap in the face...
like how theists say "god bless" when theyre done...
we mean well, but id probably be pissed if i were a theist...watching the video honestly made me chuckle though...its nice to see an animated character tell it like it is.
I'd intended it more as a good natured call to arms, actually; I meant it when I said that it is up to US to make this the best possible universe in which to live; even theists believe that..."God helps those who help themselves," right? I was going for a rallying cry to bring us all together.
yea, its all good, i understand and i do agree...just, it wouldnt surprise me that after hearing one unappealing statement after another, come time for the final point, their mind is most likely going to be utterly close minded.
"wishing doesnt make it so"
"he isnt, atleast evidence to show he is"
"in the end, the truth is, all the evidence...points to there being no god..."
Yeah, I'm being blunt, direct...can you think of a particularly compelling reason why I shouldn't? I mean, honestly...treating religious people like delicate snowflakes just because they're overly sensitive doesn't hold much appeal for me.
What am I supposed to say? "Well, um, maybe it seems like it might, just a little bit, look like it's POSSIBLE that there just might not be a god"???
Watch my video titled "Sticks and Stones"; I'm so done coddling religious sensitives.
personally, ive found that if you do sugar coat your material, you can usually get them to listen in a bit longer, and if you manipulate your words just right, you can play them into admitting what a certain situation is.
but if youre blunt, they instantly will often inter brainwashed mode and they will just run away when they confront a specific question.
but i dunno, thats just me...ill check out your video...good stuff
Will do; I have every intention of putting together a trailer for it to put on YouTube prior to release.
It's, um...a little hard to explain what it's going to be. Let's just say that it's what Star Trek would have been if I were in charge...and even that's not an adequate description, really.
Just finished all 3 Rational Station vids. Great work! So true. I got tired of trying to explain these points - having them go in one ear and out the other. Since then, I found it personally more satisfying to do comedy about religion. So, I too, do animations. I've dabbled in Maya, but I'm impatient, so I went the 2D route. I must admit: I'm a bit jealous now. Keep up the good work! (new subscriber here)
Cool huskey stuffed animal. She does have a point about making the world better by stepping in and helping. Sure we can pray until we get gray hair or we can do something ourselves to end things like world hunger, discrimination, child prositution and human trafficing, and other stuff that hinders the progression of Mankind. I think that's the whole point or something.
the animation is really good, especially the lip syncing. and wishing doesn't make things true. I don't spend my days wishing there was a god, i just know that there is. certain things have shown that to me.
You CAN'T "just know"; how can you be so certain that you haven't had a dream, a delusion, or are just plain mistaken? Standards of proof must be applied even in matters of faith.
certain things such as the unexplainability of the evolution of certain animals, the giraffe or the bombardier beetle for instance, and certain events that have taken place in my life, as well as other things.
just don't assume that all believers wake up every day saying "i wish god is real" i don't think anyone does that. wouldn't that be something a non believer would say?
The point is that even if you have faith, that doesn't make something real. Unless something can be demonstrated, one must treat all conclusions as tentative.
For neither do you actually have objective evidence.
For neither do you have a guarantee.
For neither do you have anything but a feeling.
Where exactly are you seeing a difference? Because it seems to me that religious types think their belief ought to somehow be special, in a category by itself...but there is absolutely not reason why it should be.
The question is the TRUTH of whatever you wish for or believe in. Just because you wish for it or believe in it, that doesn't mean that it is real.
And yet, religious types always claim that their beliefs are TRUE, that their claims are of real things...despite the fact that they provide no evidence, no proof.
That is where wishes and faith intersect, and where they both fail.
It's gonna be a while until the next one, tho; I have another project I'm gonna be working on. I actually let that one slide to do these, but it's time to get back to work on it.
This may actually be the last episode for a while; this last one took forever, I haven't decided on the next subject to tackle, and I have other projects to concentrate on. But we'll see.
Yes, well, fur simulation is hard, so making Howie look as he does in real life would be difficult. Heh.
This may actually be the last episode for a while; this last one took forever, I haven't decided on the next subject to tackle, and I have other projects to concentrate on. But we'll see.
Well, c'mon...Sandra spends her entire time in this vid SITTING; if the camera didn't swirl around and zoom in like a moth on crank, people'd be going out for popcorn halfway through! :)
An' yeah...it'd be nice if toys came to life. If you stayed after the fade-out, you noticed that Howie is real; more than a little of this vid is autobiographical. Heh.
Awesome, this was a pleasure to watch. Good show, and keep it up! Keep spreading knowledge!
lancejz 2 weeks ago
@lancejz Working on a new one; glad you dig the series. :)
BionicDance 2 weeks ago
@BionicDance Great news! I'm all caught up now.
lancejz 2 weeks ago
you are brilliant
zackindy312 1 year ago
@BionicDance Was I supposed to tear up when you started on about a human team effort? I am glad I found your channel. I love it so far and your sci-fi style animations are awesome. They remind me of Reboot, a cartoon I was able to watch only rarely, when I played hookie from church on Sundays in the 80s or 90s. ^_^
Smokatronic 1 year ago
@Smokatronic Tear up? Naw...I was hoping more for a "Fuck, yeah!" ;)
BionicDance 1 year ago 2
yea shes a lesbian no offense realy
1navyseal1962 1 year ago
You do a good job with emotion and expression, and , in particular, with eyes. They really tell the tale, with emphasis. Please keep it up. Also, all artists put themselves into the work they do; writers write from experience; you how it goes. So Sandra and Keight overlap a bit? What's wrong with that? Your detractors will use it against you. Ignore them. They do not have the ability to grasp art, or artists.
thereforeithought 1 year ago
MARRY ME SANDRA
JoFoo2 1 year ago
really fantastic. that zoom in for CU on "He isnt." was brilliant. YOu really have fiercely sharp developed intellect. I wish I had smart friends like you. A lot of people are dumb or just dont use their smarts. A+
perchedeagle2 1 year ago
if there was a god. what would it look like, or how would it be?
shadowfox0024 1 year ago
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shadowfox0024 1 year ago
I completely agree. And I can see the appeal of wanting there to be a god, but even a deistic god doesn't make sense, since why would a disinterested god, or a god disinclined to guide its creation, create in the first place? I don't have an ant farm because I don't want or need one, and probably would ignore it or forget about it after a couple of days. What point is there in creating or having a world, only to ignore it? To the detriment of the beings that inhabit it? It's all nonsense.
beetlecommathe 1 year ago
I like the postive messge that you are trying to get out there. I agree in that for an atheist time is the most vauble thing a person has, and it shouldn't be cheapen by thinking you have an infinte amout of it, i.e. eternal life. Be glad and thankful when some spends this vauble comodity on you, and experiance the same joy as you spend yours on others.
thepunictrader 1 year ago
I just can't get over how great an animator you are.
I've been faving every one of these as I watch them, just because I have a massive soft spot for indie animators.
But you're really, really good.
I wonder if you'd consider making a feature-length film with this character, and a plot and story. But you're a great dialogue writer too. It's very hard to write monologues that can remain very engaging, and be funny and insightful. And animated!
But you do.
AdamEtheredge 1 year ago 3
*blush* Aww, shucks... :)
I HAVE considered making a feature film, but...it's a LOT of work and I'm just one person. But I'm working on a new short series you might enjoy called "Java Centauri". It's about an alien coffeeshop. :)
BionicDance 1 year ago 3
@BionicDance I want to hug Howwie :3 <3
FoxboyTheWereFox 6 months ago in playlist Religion, or not
I have many stuffed animals and I too have wished they were alive...
Kargoneth 1 year ago
Too right - we/re all in this together!
dubaipete 1 year ago
I love your videos, BionicDance. Keep the coming!
amorphousguy 2 years ago
Well, I'll at least keep it breathing hard! :D
Thanks for watching!
BionicDance 2 years ago
how long do most of these episodes take to animate?
TheReasonWhyGuy 2 years ago
Anywhere from four or five days to two weeks...depends on if there are complications.
BionicDance 2 years ago
@BionicDance: Exceptional animation in this episode; brilliant body movement as she gets out the stuffed toy.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
Thanks! I appreciate you noticing! :)
BionicDance 1 year ago
@BionicDance: It really stood out; the kind of shot most people would just fudge. The whole animation is good, body language and facial expressions and so on, but that one difficult shot done so well really sells the character and the point she's making.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
*grin* There IS an error in that shot, though...if you look, the lid of the box she opens intersects the console.
But thanks! :)
BionicDance 1 year ago
Shh! You'll spoil the illusion. It's a tiny error and we're all massively jealous of your talent. In a fair universe, you'd be making buckets of money.
JCLeSinge 1 year ago
@BionicDance
You are living in science fiction.
Experience the thing you don't believe in then you will know. Your life is not the life of others. Your experiences are not the experiences of other. Wishes have nothing to do withit. Experiences have everything to do it. When you lose all in suffering maybe you too will find that you cry and whine for forgiveness to a deaf entity.
EGMAG 1 year ago
Very poetic. And completely meaningless.
BionicDance 1 year ago
BionicDance Very poetic. And complete <<
does your description of evil mean that any form of crime, can be committed without punishment, when the perpetrator is never apprehended in their life?
EGMAG 1 year ago
There are Atheists in foxholes, sorry to tell you.
Angelsdawn 1 year ago
@Angelsdawn foxholes<<
WOW how unique. must have stayed up all night to come up with that one
EGMAG 1 year ago
Not unique. But true.
Angelsdawn 1 year ago
While I disagree with your points, I have to confess that I liked the video. You presented them in a cool and non confontational way. Well done.
TrustinJC 2 years ago
Did you ever hear a song called "the Puppy Song"
By Harry Nilsen in the 1970s
His chorus is
"Dreams are nothing more than wishes
and a wish is just a dream we wish to come true"
Ahh... they don't write them like that anymore
The song is about a boy wishing for a real dog
I couldn't help but think of it when you brought out your Husky
Hope is a close kin to a wish
There is always hope
Choowbz 2 years ago
I don't waste my time talking to my ceiling.
SunnyStorm21 2 years ago
Bionic,
Great job on this video and the graphics and the ending, you made a CGI Howie, that's cool :)
Looking forward to your next video.
Best,
Deconverts.
deconverts 2 years ago
Great job on the computer graphics!
amigojapan 2 years ago
You're not believing hard enough. Believe harder!
Noah2112 2 years ago
@Noah2112
but if i try to
it makes my eyes bleed
deadmen117 1 year ago
It's kind of like, when people are faced with Althiemer's disease they just throw up their hands and say "Well, I'm sure this is all part of God's plan." Instead of doing that, people should be trying to find a cure for Althiemer's. (And I apologize if I'm misspelling that.)
assilembrandywine 2 years ago
oh so howie is real.
conrad4ever 2 years ago
Oh, my, yes...indeed.
I've had him since I was very small...and he's just now lying less than a foot from me as I type this. :)
BionicDance 2 years ago
Oh right thats cool.
for interest sake lying a foot from me now is a D cell maglite touch but I don't have much of an emotional attachmet to that however. still its usful if the power goes out.
conrad4ever 2 years ago
Your videos are cool but the space theme makes them feel kind of cheesy.
toleranceforsolitude 2 years ago
*blush* I...kinna LIKE cheesy. ;)
BionicDance 2 years ago
Ha, okay. I'll keep watching.
toleranceforsolitude 2 years ago
Bionic
My first visit.
I don't see anything cheesy of the video. I guess it too is in the eye of the beholder.
I liked this video and I want to watch all of them.
Cootabux 2 years ago
Careful, someone might try to DMCA you for showing like 15 seconds of Toy Story. People are really that stupid -_-.
darkmojojojo 2 years ago
They can try.
I know my Copyright Law, and this falls under Fair Use.
BionicDance 2 years ago
Deistic god? That's a opinionated conjecture on the concept of God. If God exists, you can't make a claim of what he could or could not be like.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
And yet, those who believe god exists do exactly that. All the time.
BionicDance 2 years ago
for some yes, but most interpret God through the some religious text as opposed to their own thoughts for what God should be like.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
With regards to the religious text, how is that anything BUT a claim of what god is like? Or, for that matter, one's own thoughts?
It seems to me that religious people claim BOTH that god exists and that god is a certain way.
BionicDance 2 years ago
It's a claim yes, but the bible is substantiated enough through its prophecies and consistency in interpretation to not be merely a conjecture about God.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
No, it's not. Most of the "evidence" regarding the bible myths are hearsay or eighth-hand, none of it verifiable like most historical accounts.
BionicDance 2 years ago
Really? Most historians, theistic or not, would disagree with you on that.
Many of you atheists have a lot in common with creationists; you'll ignore evidence when it doesn't suit you and make claims without properly researching things for yourself.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
No, we just have standards of evidence that actually MAKE SENSE.
In other words, we don't accept evidence that isn't empirical. Which is only reasonable and logical.
BionicDance 2 years ago
We're discussing historical evidence here not scientific.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
There'z no difference between the two, frankly.
If something ACTUALLY happened versus being JUST a story, there will be empirical evidence, which makes this a scientific matter.
BionicDance 2 years ago
Historical events can't be repeated (which is part of the empirical method) the same way scientific experiments can, so we can only substantiate or discredit historical events by making use with what we have, or by uncovering older documents. I commend your ability to animate, I just wish you'd think more about your atheistic stance before promoting it.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Okay, you're eight flavors of wrong, here.
First, it's called the SCIENTIFIC method, not the empirical method.
Second, we're not talking about forming a hypothesis which we then prove using the scientific method, thus developing a theory.
Third, we ARE talking about proving that something IS real or that something DID happen, as relying on subjective eyewitness accounts is NOT how history is written.
Fourth, I've thought PLENTY about my stance; it seems that YOU need to think more.
BionicDance 2 years ago
"as relying on subjective eyewitness accounts is NOT how history is written."
Primary sources include eyewitness accounts, you will find very few history books that don't rely on these types of primary sources.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
And do you think that a SINGLE eyewitness account is enough for a history book or historian to confidently describe an event as having DEFINITELY happened? *raised eyebrow*
Cuz if so, there'z this bridge in Brooklyn I could let go cheap...
BionicDance 2 years ago
You do realize that the bible's a library of eye witness accounts, not a single account, with most books/letters written independently of the other books within it don't you?
the5y5tem 2 years ago
No, seriously...that bridge can be yours today; only twenty grand!
*rolls eyes skyward*
The bible is a library of after-the-fact and second-to-fifth-hand accounts with ZERO corroborative non-biblical accounts to back up any of its supernatural claims, and NOT a reliable source of historical information AT ALL.
But thanks for playing!
BionicDance 2 years ago
Rubbish, accounts from Josephus, Tacitus (both Romans), Suetonius, the Jewish Talmud concurred events about Christ (and 1st century AD prophecies) despite the fact that the Jews hated him.
Thanks for proving to me that you'd rather make claims about the bible than actually go and research these claims yourself.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Did you just...COMPLETELY miss the word 'supernatural' in there? Hmm? *raised eyebrow*
Jeebus may well have been a real guy, but there are NO accounts of his miracles that come from reliable extra-biblical sources. None.
BionicDance 2 years ago
Nope I read it fine, Josephus recorded supernatural events around the destruction of Jerusalem (one of the main themes of revelation - which was written by some guy isolated and imprisoned from everyone else on an island).
the5y5tem 2 years ago
Oooooookaaayyyy...and this, to you, constitutes a convincing account, does it?
That bridge? Yeah, it comes with a GREAT view of Manhattan...y'interested? I can let it go cheap!
BionicDance 2 years ago
Well, yeah, most historians do.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
I have NEVER read a history book which makes supernatural claims. EVER.
...unless it was written by some fundie fucktard, that is. Exactly what history books are you READING? *raised eyebrow*
BionicDance 2 years ago
Okay, you're just backtracking now - when I was referring to primary sources, it's probably best if we end this conversation.
the5y5tem 2 years ago
No, I'm NOT actually backtracking; this is the relevant point and always has been.
But I agree; it's best this ends. We're just talking past each other at this point. We simply do not hold the same standards for evidence and so we have no basis for actually reaching a consensus.
BionicDance 2 years ago
the5y...
No they dont & if they R honest 1s they cant. No written accounts (especially from 2K yrs ago) could ever B accepted as true. Thats just normal historical narative. When the S. Claims start, then, the requirement 4 evidence skyrockets!
if there were 50 agreeing eye-witnesses which we had no evidence 4, other than text, they'd have 2 B taken with a grain of salt, especially if those witnesses couldnt B identified & proven 2 have existed. Even then, theres no way to verify.
Lame claim!
Cootabux 2 years ago
Bionic
Just yesterday, I spent about 3 hours trying to argue this same exact issue witha Fubdie who didn't want to hear it! He was in deep denial & kept saying the resurrection was true simply by way of the biblical accounts! I even explain the problems with M,M,L,& J, in that there was conflicting accounts Y apparent plagiarism between at least 2 of the 4, so how can we take any of them seriously after that?
It's sad that some want to believe so bad, they'll accept anything as evidence!!
Cootabux 2 years ago
the5y..
Josephus is considered a fraud. But it makes no difference bcuz it's all hearsay!! Written historical accounts cannot be relied on unless there is additional evidence to support it. But once supernatural claims r presented, the playing firld changes. It's even harder to give "eny" ceredence to such claims. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!"
prophecies?? All of that could have easily been manipulated by the fathers of the early church...the NT to match the OT.
Cootabux 2 years ago
Religion... Plainly put - is InSaNiTy. Perhaps, before science was being used, it had its place in the world. What other explanations could humans come to when they didn't have our minds, our tools, our technology, our experiences? But, now the idea of religion has become quaint, outdated, even obsolete if you may. I believe that soon, there could be an awakening of consciousness. With religion struck off the face of the planet; real world peace will finally be given an actual chance.
Xeletoph 2 years ago 4
I want to see more videos like this. Keep up the work on animation.
sabertooth1980 2 years ago
I really loved the picture of your stuffed animal at the very end!
Koss42 2 years ago
Well, I thought it'd be a nice touch, letting people know that Howie's real and that Sandra was basically telling MY story about him... :)
BionicDance 2 years ago
Count on me! Funny, theists expect their deity to "make things right" while they are as cruel, nasty and sick as they want "because God demands it!"
RadarKat73080 2 years ago 2
Well, it's not as if their god is the most rational, reasonable, kind, and peaceful role model.
I mean, theirs is the god that tortured a guy on a dare from Satan, theirs is the god that sent meteorites to destroy Gay Vegas (aka, Sodom and Gomorrah), theirs is the god that drowned THE ENTIRE WORLD except Noah and his menagerie, theirs is the god who gives no indication that he exists yet allows people to be dumped into ETERNAL TORMENT for not believing in him
God's an ASSHOLE.
BionicDance 2 years ago
Good points all! Wish I were a film maker, you gave me a great idea. Something about God, then natural disasters, floods and other crazy shit. Then that scene from Back to the Future III when Marty calls Mad Dog an asshole.
RadarKat73080 2 years ago
Great job on your vids, I hope you make more. And I agree, god is an asshole... christians take after him very well
jorsher123 2 years ago
Excellent! I look forward to an atheistic animated film, which would be well worth purchasing. I don't think such a thing has yet been made.
defenestrati 2 years ago 5
perfect.....kids would love this....and they really need to see it.
O+
MARISSAALEX 2 years ago
I found this one very engaging. You made a great connection in relating the movie to the concept. I've only spent one class of a semester learning how to model, but I'm hoping to get a career in game design (3-D or otherwis, as I love mixed media stuff, but my ultimate goal is to educate).
ChozoBoy 2 years ago 2
A most excellent video.
A most rational point.
You have another team member.
FTW!
1RationalMind 2 years ago
LOL Yeah, you're full of somethin' tonight! I have an irreverent sense of humor, too - we'll get along just great! :-)
DefenderOfReason 2 years ago
I do believe so.
Subbed back, BTW. On the merits of your vids, not just reciprocity. :)
BionicDance 2 years ago
"On the merits of your vids, not just reciprocity. :) "
Ahhhh, and therein lies all the difference! Thanks!
DefenderOfReason 2 years ago
This is Mind-Blowing animation - 2 thumbs way up! :-)
DefenderOfReason 2 years ago
Thanks! :)
Say, speaking of which, did you hear about the hooker with a degree in psychology?
...she'll blow your mind. ;)
BionicDance 2 years ago
LOL I must be getting old, since I didn't see that one coming!
DefenderOfReason 2 years ago
Well, next time perhaps you'll see it BREATHING HARD! ;)
...I'm fulla these. *grin*
BionicDance 2 years ago
Awesome series!!! I hope to see more!
Subscribed.
HeyDuffy459 2 years ago
BionicDance have you ever thought about doing videos where u rationally examine other topics instead of religion?things like ideologies,philosophical ideas about human nature,society etc. i would really love to see you do something like that :)
SauffreJet 2 years ago
Well, I COULD...but religion's the topic that bugs the CRAP out of me, so that's the one I tend to focus on.
Besides, human nature and society aren't exactly rational topics; much of society comes down to preference, which isn't exactly a rational thing, and human nature has an annoying tendency to also be irrational. To critically examine them in order to try and MAKE them rational seems to me to be a denial of human nature.
I prefer to rationally deal with existence claims, debunking faith.
BionicDance 2 years ago
well,i just thought it would be nice to hear your thoughts on other stuff.Stuff that influences our lives much more then religion,like political ideologies such as capitalism and communism....but maybe that's boring and as you said it all comes down to preferences...so yeah.But i feel that such things should be discussed and examined rationally because they are such a huge part of our lives....so i guess what i'm saying is that i'd like to hear u talk about things that i'm interested in...
SauffreJet 2 years ago
Well, religion certainly affects our lives in rather far-reaching ways.
As a lesbian, I find that religion has been used as an excuse to decide whether or not I can marry the person of my choice. Or the choices of my straight friends to seek abortion if they want it. And in the medical community, stem cell research--which could have very far-reaching benefits for everybody--is being blocked by the religious as well.
I'm simply attacking these problems at the root: religion.
BionicDance 2 years ago
yeah.religion affects those areas ,i agree with u especially with the stem cell research....but political ideologies decide wether u live in a mansion with a pool,all of it being your private property or u get the same payment as everyone else and everything that u got is state owned and u have to call everyone "comrade"...so these other topics are as,or more important then religion and i think they deserve the same attention as the atheism-theism disputes
SauffreJet 2 years ago
Well, I find it difficult to call politics a discussion for rationality; I can't think of a more irrational, preference-based social construct than that...except possibly matters of love.
BionicDance 2 years ago
Yeah,youre probably right,I guess I shouldnt be so uptight about stuff like that,but when I see how countries affected by communism are like,such as north korea it kinda sucks me into this whole ideological thinkingbut I guess I should just be happy that I dont live in such countries,I guess I should believe in the hope that humanity will get to a point where its so technologically evolved that there wont be any need for economy or monetary systems,u know?
SauffreJet 2 years ago
Hey thanks to NonStampCollecter I've subscribed - serious question though....I'm slightly worried about my obsession with religious bullshit and my incapacity to understand "believers." In social situations somebody starts quoting the bible, mentioning Jesus, mentioning the pope I HAVE to react - my girlfriend keeps reminding me that I shouldn't comment - that makes me angrier 'cause I have the right to talk as well. No? What are your thoughts?
flyingfisbeefilms 2 years ago
Not really my area of expertise, compulsions. Wish I could help you out, sorry.
I admire your spirit, tho, since it's on the right side. :)
BionicDance 2 years ago
...and i guess that's kinda selfish of me
SauffreJet 2 years ago
I've been watching your videos. I like how you present your arguments. Your skills as an animator haven't gone unnoticed either.
Definitely subscription worthy!
insightnew 2 years ago
I must say, I agree with all your points, except that "Science points to there being no deity, or a deistic one". Science says nothing about the existence of God, it's just not included. Science doesnt say "Organisms evolve, so God has nothing to do with it" nor does it say "Organisms evolve, so God had something to do with it". It's simply "Organisms evolve". Other than that particular point, I'd say that I enjoyed watching it, and look foward to the forth one :) Keep up the good work
UnDeitized 2 years ago
Perhaps I should clarify; what science DOES say is, "Given the evidence, here is how organisms appear to have involved; the intervention of a deity was not apparent in our investigations and the process seems to work perfectly fine through entirely natural and mundane agencies."
Which is more or less what I meant when I said that science points to there being no god, or to a non-interventionist deity.
Does that clear it up?
BionicDance 2 years ago
Perfectly
UnDeitized 2 years ago
damn, this chick is stone cold.
thecommonsenseguy 2 years ago
How can you SAY that? Did you watch the whole video?
What about that last line: "Come on! Help me make this world a better place!" That's cold to you?
BionicDance 2 years ago
lol, seemed like icing on the cake of the slap in the face...
like how theists say "god bless" when theyre done...
we mean well, but id probably be pissed if i were a theist...watching the video honestly made me chuckle though...its nice to see an animated character tell it like it is.
thecommonsenseguy 2 years ago
I'd intended it more as a good natured call to arms, actually; I meant it when I said that it is up to US to make this the best possible universe in which to live; even theists believe that..."God helps those who help themselves," right? I was going for a rallying cry to bring us all together.
BionicDance 2 years ago
yea, its all good, i understand and i do agree...just, it wouldnt surprise me that after hearing one unappealing statement after another, come time for the final point, their mind is most likely going to be utterly close minded.
"wishing doesnt make it so"
"he isnt, atleast evidence to show he is"
"in the end, the truth is, all the evidence...points to there being no god..."
i agree, but youre being quite blunt
thecommonsenseguy 2 years ago
Yeah, I'm being blunt, direct...can you think of a particularly compelling reason why I shouldn't? I mean, honestly...treating religious people like delicate snowflakes just because they're overly sensitive doesn't hold much appeal for me.
What am I supposed to say? "Well, um, maybe it seems like it might, just a little bit, look like it's POSSIBLE that there just might not be a god"???
Watch my video titled "Sticks and Stones"; I'm so done coddling religious sensitives.
BionicDance 2 years ago
personally, ive found that if you do sugar coat your material, you can usually get them to listen in a bit longer, and if you manipulate your words just right, you can play them into admitting what a certain situation is.
but if youre blunt, they instantly will often inter brainwashed mode and they will just run away when they confront a specific question.
but i dunno, thats just me...ill check out your video...good stuff
thecommonsenseguy 2 years ago
Your work seems to have greatly improved during the course of these videos. Well done.
Kieranfoy 2 years ago
Thanks! Let's hope you fell the same way about the fourth one.
...assuming I ever stop procrastinating and finish the bloody thing. Heh.
BionicDance 2 years ago
I am most eager to see it.
Kieranfoy 2 years ago
yay, if everyone thought like this the world would be a better place. impressive animation too
orlando098 2 years ago
Thanks! :)
BionicDance 2 years ago
Twat
oops :P
gingergreek 2 years ago
TOY STORY :)
This vid was cute. How long does it take you to make somehting like this?
BornInAsphodelMeadow 2 years ago
Anywhere from a week to a month, depending on various factors: how complicated the animation is, my personal life, etc.
BionicDance 2 years ago
These need WAY more views!!
freedom0f5peech 2 years ago
No argument here! :)
I'm working on a fourth episode, incidentally, then back to work on my webcomic.
BionicDance 2 years ago
I am looking forward to more!
the webcomic sounds interesting too.
Definitely subbing!
LilithLorelai 2 years ago
Awesome! Thank you! :)
BionicDance 2 years ago
Moar!
TheBlueFalconX 2 years ago
I have a few planned, but I'm also in the process of starting a webcomic, so...well, I have a lot on the spike, is all. :)
Thanks for the enthusiasm, though! :)
BionicDance 2 years ago
Keep us informed on this webcomic, eh?
BornInAsphodelMeadow 2 years ago
Will do; I have every intention of putting together a trailer for it to put on YouTube prior to release.
It's, um...a little hard to explain what it's going to be. Let's just say that it's what Star Trek would have been if I were in charge...and even that's not an adequate description, really.
BionicDance 2 years ago
Just finished all 3 Rational Station vids. Great work! So true. I got tired of trying to explain these points - having them go in one ear and out the other. Since then, I found it personally more satisfying to do comedy about religion. So, I too, do animations. I've dabbled in Maya, but I'm impatient, so I went the 2D route. I must admit: I'm a bit jealous now. Keep up the good work! (new subscriber here)
DarkMatter2525 3 years ago
Thanks! I'll check out your channel when it's not 2 in the bleedin' ayem over here, heh. :)
Though I have no prejudice against Maya, I'm a 3DS MAXer, myself; it's what I started on.
BionicDance 3 years ago
Haven't they merged? Sorry if i'm wrong, i live in a hole. I personally use blender because i'm a noob and low on budget.
JohnTraviss 3 years ago
I actually don't know; I haven't really been keeping up. I don't think so, though I may be wrong.
If you can believe it, I'm using 3DS MAX version 3.1; it's ancient but it's also LEGAL. :)
BionicDance 3 years ago
I love your message, it is so true.
mikeleejohnson 3 years ago
Thanks; one does one's best.
Unfortunately, the few theist types who've reacted to it don't seem to have quite understood it; clearly they and we do not speak the same language.
BionicDance 3 years ago
Nicely done! ★★★★★
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 3 years ago
I like it. :-)
themanofearth 3 years ago
Cool huskey stuffed animal. She does have a point about making the world better by stepping in and helping. Sure we can pray until we get gray hair or we can do something ourselves to end things like world hunger, discrimination, child prositution and human trafficing, and other stuff that hinders the progression of Mankind. I think that's the whole point or something.
BloodrosePrincess 3 years ago
Heck, even religion makes this point, doesn't it? "God helps those who help themselves."
The Earth is ours and the responsibility is ours. You're absolutely right; that was a large part of the message.
BionicDance 3 years ago
He isn't
:D
Love it :)
weyountdb2 3 years ago
One of my more blunt moments.
Thanks. :)
BionicDance 3 years ago
the animation is really good, especially the lip syncing. and wishing doesn't make things true. I don't spend my days wishing there was a god, i just know that there is. certain things have shown that to me.
good luck with the videos
mastuhjoe 3 years ago
You CAN'T "just know"; how can you be so certain that you haven't had a dream, a delusion, or are just plain mistaken? Standards of proof must be applied even in matters of faith.
BionicDance 3 years ago
certain things such as the unexplainability of the evolution of certain animals, the giraffe or the bombardier beetle for instance, and certain events that have taken place in my life, as well as other things.
just don't assume that all believers wake up every day saying "i wish god is real" i don't think anyone does that. wouldn't that be something a non believer would say?
mastuhjoe 3 years ago
You've missed my point.
The point is that even if you have faith, that doesn't make something real. Unless something can be demonstrated, one must treat all conclusions as tentative.
BionicDance 3 years ago
i understand your point, i just think that there is a big difference between the words 'believing' and 'wishing'.
mastuhjoe 3 years ago
In a religious context, there really ISN'T.
For neither do you actually have objective evidence.
For neither do you have a guarantee.
For neither do you have anything but a feeling.
Where exactly are you seeing a difference? Because it seems to me that religious types think their belief ought to somehow be special, in a category by itself...but there is absolutely not reason why it should be.
BionicDance 3 years ago
well i see a difference, because i'm not sitting here wishing for anything. hence the difference.
mastuhjoe 3 years ago
That's hardly relevant.
The question is the TRUTH of whatever you wish for or believe in. Just because you wish for it or believe in it, that doesn't mean that it is real.
And yet, religious types always claim that their beliefs are TRUE, that their claims are of real things...despite the fact that they provide no evidence, no proof.
That is where wishes and faith intersect, and where they both fail.
BionicDance 3 years ago
This is really nifty stuff!
ZJemptv 3 years ago
Thanks! :)
BionicDance 3 years ago
Excellent stuff Bionic, you're doing a great job with these. :)
PacalB 3 years ago
Thanks!
It's gonna be a while until the next one, tho; I have another project I'm gonna be working on. I actually let that one slide to do these, but it's time to get back to work on it.
BionicDance 3 years ago
Awesome. How many episodes are you planning?
drewjmore 3 years ago
This may actually be the last episode for a while; this last one took forever, I haven't decided on the next subject to tackle, and I have other projects to concentrate on. But we'll see.
BionicDance 3 years ago
Love it!
Especially the way you zoomed in as she said the words "he isn't" (refering to god, not being real).Keep up the good work!
Mark27nj 3 years ago
Thanks! :)
BionicDance 3 years ago
Howie look a lot less love worn in the video than in "real life"! Are you planning to do an episode a week? Keep up the good work....
RadiOkiyada 3 years ago
Yes, well, fur simulation is hard, so making Howie look as he does in real life would be difficult. Heh.
This may actually be the last episode for a while; this last one took forever, I haven't decided on the next subject to tackle, and I have other projects to concentrate on. But we'll see.
BionicDance 3 years ago
Why don't you have your vids in HD? It's animation, can't you scale it to whatever you want?
SilentBat 3 years ago
They're sized to exactly fit the YouTube window. *shrug*
BionicDance 3 years ago
Yeah but if you upscale it to 720p/i or 1080p/i ... I think the resolution is 1289x800 or something like that.
SilentBat 3 years ago
Well, maybe. But the point is really the context more than the resolution.
And I have disk space to worry about; the raw data files that make up these vids are huge even at this size.
BionicDance 3 years ago
This is cool. Did you make this?
sockpuppetsfromhell 3 years ago
I did.
I animate; it's this thing I do. ;)
BionicDance 3 years ago
That is very very cool. I just discovered your videos. I'm kicking myself for not having checked out your channel sooner.
sockpuppetsfromhell 3 years ago
Well, you're here now! :)
BionicDance 3 years ago
1:34 DRAMATIC CAMERA ZOOM!
Cool, as usual. And well put, and perfectly accurate. Nice to see a new environment done and modelled; I think it's even better than the last one.
[smallvoice]... but I do so wish that toys did come to life[/smallvoice]
TerranArachnid 3 years ago
Well, c'mon...Sandra spends her entire time in this vid SITTING; if the camera didn't swirl around and zoom in like a moth on crank, people'd be going out for popcorn halfway through! :)
An' yeah...it'd be nice if toys came to life. If you stayed after the fade-out, you noticed that Howie is real; more than a little of this vid is autobiographical. Heh.
Thanks for the view! :)
BionicDance 3 years ago