I live in France now and grew up in Ohio, then lived in NYC. A lot of words sound like gibberish to my French husband but I can understand them okay, usually. And okay is French, it has to do with the way this country used to have two different ways of saying "yes." I teach English in France. Thanks for this. Shared and uprated.
this is not true that is the slave english but not origins african language whatever language they speak in north africa that our origins language because that where all black people in america from
Why any video on youtube that has anything to do with Black people attract racists spewing hatred? I mean there is alot of hate here. I did a search for Gullah, I clicked the first video and BAM, nigger this and cracker that. I am all for the 1st amendment but this is horrible. Why put forth the effort of clicking any link on youtube and leave these racist comments. Are you all venting or nternet net tough guys with no balls to say these thing in public or put a face to the hate. Get a life.
actually i think this is the only creole language that survives its african origin in the americas. all the other english creole are all mixed today, how comes this one is still the same??.
the language is the same as Nigerian pidgin english (sierra leone, ghanaian and Jamaican) the only difference is some words and they speak it with a white American accent I BEEN DON DO UM (Gullah) - I been don do am (Nigerian pidgin)
I don't believe most of racism is coming from black people america is still ruled and probably will always be ruled by white people I'm not saying that other races can't be racist but like for an example The Tea Party all kkk just without the sheets.
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Today, all the racism is coming from black people. In fact, black people don't even realise when they are being racist because they think the word "racism" only works one way.
@DayDreamAscent I totally agree. Blacks are by far the most racist scum on earth. They are VERY racist, especially in the US. But if you say the N-word...the 3rd world war has started. They don't tolerate any criticism against themselves, but they are extremely disrespectful and racist towards others. Blacks have no problem saying vile racist slurs against whites, arabs, asians, latins and mediterranian people. But if anyone says N, they explode. It's typical for that scum.
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People don't create their own language consciously or deliberately. It happens unconsciously over time.
And I highly doubt that Gullah is restricted to folks who descend from slaves.
I'm almost certain that it is spoken by day laborers, indentured servants and "whites" who had direct daily contact with speakers of Gullah English.
Why folks racialize EVERYTHING in this country like it's a mechanical process, is beyond my comprehension. It certainly is not a natural feature of humans.
@criollokid80 well you highly think wrong..I am a native of southcarolina and nobody knows this lanuage unless it was passed down to you from your relatives.
@criollokid80 Because the economic, social, and cultural elements of American society are largely divided along racial lines--particularly between "whites" and blacks; a history book might help you understand why that is.
I am studying “African American Vernacular” for my Eng class and I was wondering if anyone has come across other videos that have tackle the origin or the evolution of “African American Vernacular” or papers? Thanks Youtubers!!
Fuck these blacks!I mean, just see them making advantage of these awful liberties, for which these slaves should be thankful to the white guys governing their shitfaces; and then at the same time, in Africa, they fight for the so called freedom when their own children die with malnutrition!!!
It is obvious JHaines57 has never studied English language or linguistics at undergraduate level. I'm afraid lacortina1 is right, i know you don't want to believe it, but cortina's right.
@seabreezeful I love how people say "it's obvious jh never studied linguistics" and yet you and that other poster never did address the issue of standardization and addressing measuring proficiency.
In theory, two twins who live their lives closed up together can develop their own "dialect" between them. But would you consider it to be a valid credential for academic and professional advancement?
In theory a suit is no better than torn jeans, either, and yet will you argue against them @ work?
@JHaines57 I was referring to the present AA culture. How do you know they are incompetent at speaking standard English? People adapt the way they speak depending on who they are speaking to. Listen, there are many many varieties of English throughout the world. American English is different to British English is different to Irish English and so on. What is considered standard English in American English, might not be standard in British English.
@JHaines57 like the previous poster said, English is the usage of English, it is understanding and being understood, THAT is what makes it proficient. As for standardization, that's difficult as language is not set in stone, it changes all the time. Everyday spoken English is about expression, creating an effect, joke telling tag questions, ummings and ahhings, hesitation, repetition and so on. You can't standardize spoken English.
@JHaines57, I know you would like to see your variety of English held up to be the correct variety and the standard variety and all others are somehow wrong, that's because you clearly like to look down your nose at other people. If I were you, I would get off my high horse.
@seabreezeful "My" variety of English is established grammar in my native land.
If some "ebonic" speakers want to go and establish their speech in another land or in a colony of their own, that's fine by me.
What I despise is people incapable of speaking the established dialect of their homeland properly, then bitching because they are not thought of as intelligent or not as accepted in professional circles.
You may not like business suits either but do you expect to wear torn jeans to work?
@JHaines57 There is no such thing as 'established grammar'. There are books out there on improving one's grammar, but this is just an attempt at dictating a language ideology by speakers of one variety of English/school of thought onto another's. Yes the mass media and schools also try to propagate this variety of English, which is why there is a misconception that there is a proper grammar and way of speaking.
@JHaines57 It's funny how you describe the so called 'established grammar' as like a business suit, while all other grammar's are torn jeans - this is from your perspective and ideological stance, obviously. Anyway, not all careers/professional circles rely on the use of prescriptive grammar, but if a person wanted to 'fit in' to certain social circles, he would perhaps want to change from his vernacular to the dominant variety of English spoken in that circle. The choice is personal.
@JHaines57 I wouldn't say people are incapable of speaking the so called 'established' grammar, listen to how the woman in this video switches from one variety of English at 0.35 to another in 0.40. Most people are capable of switching their dialect if they wish to do so, but that is their choice.
@seabreezeful Sadly, very FEW black people in America are capable of speaking "ebonics" or "aave" and switching to, for lack of a better term, "professional speech". Otherwise why would they be speaking so poorly when it really would behoove them to speak well?
Again, I find that all this rhetoric boils down to excuses for people who aren't willing to improve themselves in this way.
I don't care if anyone hangs on to another dialect or not as long as they are CAPABLE of speaking "well".
@JHaines57 Are you an idiot or something? 'Capable of speaking well'???? That is a REALLY stupid and racist thing to say. You are clearly too stupid to bother with.
@seabreezeful Have you not learned that calling someone "stupid" because they don't agree with you, especially when that person provides cogent arguments, makes SOMEONE look "stupid", but it's not the TARGET of the insults? LOL!
@seabreezeful Oh, and while I agree, there's no point in bothering with this conversation, since you've resorted to childish and erroneous name-calling, there's one last point I'll make to you.
You write of "current black culture", which I know you meant "current". But don't you see the problem when so much of "black culture" is a nod back to the days of slavery and oppression, when blacks weren't allowed to speak? Seems that would be an aspect of "culture" to be obliterated at all costs.
@JHaines57 I actually believe quite a few black Americans are able to shift back and forth depending on their surroundings. However, overall the current situation of black Americans' grasp of proper English grammar and pronunciation is an abomination. While roots of most regional and racial vernacular/slang is traceable, the vernacular spoken by these sub-groups is indicative of a lack of education. Clearly, many Americans of all races are not capable of speaking properly and that's a shame.
@JHaines57 Another term for "established" or "professional speech" is "whiteness." In other words, you could say, "blacks should give up their culture, heritage, and history, ignore the structural, spatial, and social disparity that continues to exist as a result of it, and act the way that the white cultural wants them to." You see, as a white person it is difficult to understand that THAT means "be who we want you to be, or suffer."
@treefingers1206 Oh, God, not another complaint about asking that if blacks want to be TREATED as equally capable, they should PERFORM up to the level that everybody else is expected to, that it's "destroying black culture" comment.
According to your way of thinking, if I was raised on the beach and was a surfer dude growing up, and if I weren't allowed to wear my bathing suit to college and the office, I should be able to whine that other people are trying to "destroy my culture".
@treefingers1206 The fact is, ALL of us are asked to speak in a certain way, dress in a certain way and perform in certain ways to compete in the established society. If's very racist to call that "white" society. It's just the mainstream society.
Why do all of us have to conform to these standards, in order to get ahead, but blacks, according to you, should be excused from these things?
And for the record, most "black culture" is borrowed from white trash culture, FYI.
If the values of mainsteam society are mostly euro-centric, then I would say that it is very fair to call it "white society" or culture. Calling it "white society" may be incensitive for some, but it's far from racist. Now back to your argument, If a euro-centric culture doesn't value or prioritize the success of all groups without conforming to it's own way, then that is fairly discriminitory. Until the success of all groups is held in equal regard the system will never be fair.
And demanding that all others conform to a euro-centric model is nothing but closed minded. You can't have a closed--minded society that is fair to all members. It defies logic. Where exactly is the cutoff point on when someone has to look like the ideal? Is it the clothes? The hair? The skin? there's too much gray area. And that's only a small problem with our culture.
No, it's not. You don't even know my belief on self-accountability or anything else. You just assume that because I have an issue or two with the system as is, no matter how logical and real those issues may be, that I'm a problem. That kind of thinking is what's holding the entire world back, not just one or two ethnic groups. you're ignoring the issues in turn for a more ad hominem approach. That's completely illogical.
As for your point on being viewed as equals, intellectually. I will always say this. The only way any group of people can have a "hard time getting respected as equals," as if you're some kind of gold standard, is that the other group already choses to view things things that way. That means that you automatically view your culture and your way as the right way, the superior way, and that anything else is inferior. It's systematic ethnocentrism and almost racism by definition.
My last point would be this. How can you make a point on intellectuality in your response to my post then use not one logical or factual piece to aid you and instead opt for a more ad hominem based argument? That is the pure abandonment of intellectuality right there. I have no interest in being regarded as anyone's equal, and neither should any group of people on earth. My IQ of over 135 speaks for my own intelligence and I neither need nor care for anyone elses validation of that.
@tokinblckgie Oh, NOW you're going to pull the "you're not backing up your points" act, when I gave plenty of justification and arguments in previous posts, all of which you chose to ignore, to keep repeating the same lines about "why should blacks conform to eurocentric ways" when I told you exactly why we ALL do.
I just dropped that last line because you clearly are not listening or addressing my points. You're just grandstanding with the same old, tired afro-apologetic statements.
@tokinblckgie And as for your IQ, true or not, I didn't claim whether YOU were one of those who were contributing to blacks not being seen as equals, intellectually, through your own personal example.
No, I merely am pointing out that your attitude allows for blacks to excuse stupid behavior and dress all under the guise of saying "we not be acktin lahk whitey, we be fine da way we iz"!
Funny how you're defending a culture which is actually not african at all.
You missed my point. I was using the IQ point to show why other biased opinions have no real weight and should not be considered by any one person or group.
Also, I'm not defending any culture or allowing for any "stupid behavior." You're simply making assumptions on things that I never said. If you want to know my opinions or "attitude" on other parts of "black culture" then ask. Otherwise, you don't know my attitude on any of that or what I do and don't actively condone.
@tokinblckgie You've been championing the cause of black people NOT having to learn to speak to the established standards, trying to make it into an ethnic war, then say "but you don't know my attitudes"? You've been expressing them quite verbosely. Not listening to others' points, but you express your own, enough.
I wonder, if I went to France and hung out with a bunch of Americans who all spoke French terribly, could we say "but that's our culture" and whine when I can't get a good job there?
Lol, I never said anything about blacks "not having to learn to speak to the established standards." Maybe the other guy you were arguing with before I stepped in did, but not me. You haven't made any points to me except that I'm somehow an enabler for blacks to underachieve, without having anything solid to point to to prove that notion. I'm not ignoring anything. I addressed an earlier point of yours and you've been dodging anything substantive ever since.
Again, you're making bogus assumptions on things that I'm not saying. I'm no black apologist at all. In fact, I'm one of our biggest critics. But you wouldn't know that because you keep assuming that I'm saying things that I'm not. Deal with the facts and not your generalizations and stereotypes.
I was dealing with one semantic point of yours and you immediately started labelling me an enabler. Keep talking out of your ass, dude. I'm done. I hope you have a nice day.
@tokinblckgie OK, I looked and saw that there were other comments that were made by another "t" name and I didn't recall if were yours BUT you jumped into the fray essentially taking his side on it and complaining that blacks would have to conform to "white / eurocentric" ideals, which is no ASSUMPTION - but something you stated clearly.
You still dodged my earlier points then complain if I didn't hit every single one of your points the way you would prefer? I did address it but in a different
@tokinblckgie way, as I had pointed out that you were complaining about blacks having to conform to eurocentric (aka white) speech and manner.
To which I pointed out (and you never addressed) that we ALL have to conform to those ideals, at least in SOME ways, if we want to be respected as citizens of the professional establishment.
Is it always fair? NO! Is it sometimes bullshit? YES! But blacks don't get a pass just because they're black.
Now if you're NOT condoning "ebonic" speech, say that.
I wasn't complaining about anything. I was addressing some issues with a ethnocentric society. Any ethnocentric ideal or society be it European, African, or Asian is inherently flawed because Individuals who are of that group will have less problems conforming because they, for the most part already fit the mold. It's also flawed because it disaproves of things that aren't in anyway negative objectively speaking.
@tokinblckgie Regarding this ethnocentric ideal you mention, what aspects are you referring to about "fitting the mold"?
There's one matter regarding people coming from another society / country, but quite another when dealing with people from one's own country.
What are you suggesting is an advantage to conforming? Say, for instance, if in Africa business suits were white and black people looked a lot better in them than white people did? LOL
Some issues aren't just with conforming but with the natural inclination of an ethnocentric viewpoint in genral. For instace, in the medical field, my father as well as other black and Indian doctors I've heard from agreed that on average their white counterparts and even nurses, if you can believe that, are less likely to accept criticism from them than from other white doctors despite in some instances being considerably more qualified and experienced than most doctors.
To me, hearing this from Indian doctors was a surprise to me, for what reason Idk. One Indian doctor I spoke to told me about how much more stressful his job was here, not that he regretted anything though, than it was back in India because of the amount of discrimination he found himself facing and how he and others form his home country believed that blacks were more so just blowing things out of proportion until he began experiencing the same kinds of covert resentment.
So even when conforming completely to the social structure the belief of inferiority is still there in many cases because that is the natural inclination of an ethnocentric culture to view others as inferior in some way. It becomes more pronounced when someone's ethnicity is obviously different from the majority's ethnicity.
As for differences in nationality, the same principle exists for those of the same nationality. Nationality is simply the largest ethnic identifier. Inside a a country there are still more ethnic divisions such as African, European, Indian, Asian, and Native American. There are religious ethnic identifiers like Christian, Catholic, and Muslim as well. So even if an individual comes from the same country their ethnicity is still subject to change within their country lines.
So even if someone comes from the same country as the majority's ethnicity, they're still susceptible to the same or similar discrimination a complete outsider would receive. As for issues "fitting the mold," explaining it all in detail would take a lot more posts and I've already probably used up enough space on this video's comment section already. But I'll give one, in my opinion, fairly telling example in the entertainment industy.
In black comedy "circles" there is something known as "cooning." "Cooning" is when an entertainer, frequently black, is instructed to purposely dumb down his material or performance to make him/her more "black." In other words, they're supposed to make the character more loud, brash, obnoxious, and most importantly ignorant. Why? Because that's the stereotypical view of blacks coming from an ethnocentric viewpoint. It's practically a self-degrading, minstrel show performance.
And if they don't do these degrading performances many say that they won't get work, or at least the job in question.
Again, we may agree to disagree, but I'd ask you to consider this. You may not know all my views on "black" culture. If I had the time I'd have no problem explaining them as well as how large of an onus I place on blacks to improve our own situations and ourselves as people. However, there are issues on both sides of the equation that are hampering blacks in general.
@tokinblckgie I understand your points, and there's no question there is a belief of inferiority, especially in certain circles. Not always a belief in INNATE inferiority but, with the system as it is, with quotas and affirmative action, there's a skepticism that a black person got where they are for having EARNED it. This is how affirmative action hurts in both directions. I agree this is there and shouldn't be. Not sure hot that ties into your other "eurocentric" comments, though,
@JHaines57 The one group that benefits the most from affirmative action are not people of African descent I can assure you, it's Caucasian women. So umm...is there a skepticism that they got where they are for having earned it?
@CocoaBrownSkinLady Yeah, I've heard that claim before. I'm still waiting for anything more than empty lip service about it, though.
Even still, there is a certain degree of skepticism women, even white ones, get where they got out of certain advantages as well as sometimes believing they slept their way up. Women, more than men, need to PROVE they earned their accolades and position.
@JHaines57 Actually it's not a 'claim' and it has nothing to do with lip service. Google the stats if you are unsure. lol it's amazing that you can admit that due to stereotypes that women more than men need to prove their worth, but because of your racist bias you can't extend the same reasoning to other minorities. Your racism is also exposed when you automatically assume that standards are 'lowered' in regard to African-Americans.
@JHaines57 I don't understand why some people (Caucasian racists) like you troll YT videos for anything pertaining to the AA experience in the first place. Your antagonism toward us is obvious, your bias against us is obvious and I'm not sure why you feel the need to put your two cents into anything in the first place. Why should your opinions even be relevant?
@tokinblckgie as prejudice is not quite the same as "eurocentrism", and it's different than the things we were earlier talking about, which was about professional and social standards.
Blacks dumbing down their performance, though, as you put it, may come from stereotyping but is it necessarily "eurocentism"? Blacks actually stereotype themselves more than white people stereotype them. I.e. hip-hop, ebonic speech, anti-intellectualism, etc.
Of course both sides need to be looked at, I agree.
@CocoaBrownSkinLady culture? hip-hop is culture? most of the language in rap music is curse words....half naked women in videos...materilism...on and on. hell half the time you cant even understand what is being said in that "music"
@usaf317 Can you read? I didn't say that hip-hop was a culture, I said that it is an aspect of a culture. Most of the language in the garbage rap that you may have been exposed to may be curse words, materialism, half-naked women and so on, so forth, but there are so many more aspects to hip-hop than what the mainstream is exposed to. Just because YOU can't understand it or relate to it doesn't mean that it isn't music. Opinions are like assholes.
@usaf317 Actually it's not a culture, it's a subculture. Not all hip-hop is crap. I hate mainstream hip-hop but there are a LOT of lesser-known/underground artists who are brilliant. It's a matter of opinion anyway. I happen to think that most alt rock and country are total crap but that's just my tastes.
@CocoaBrownSkinLady exactly, and the reason why hip hop has turned into misogynistic music full of curse words materialism and nothing positive is because behind all the black faces dancing and singing there is a multimillonaire white business tycoon pushing the buttons so email and fax your complaints to the greedy white bastard that ruined my music and my culture!
You must believe everything that you see on TV. Try listening some of the wonderful underground artist that are not controlled by the mainstream. And besides. I always hated the fact that the same things that people claim are "bad", "demeaning" and unattractive about rap is the exact same raunch that draws people to television, movies and people. I am so through with programmed people with their "negative" "image" of rap. It's so baseless. Fucking Pharisees =o(
For the record, yes it is the psychological terrorist in the suit that is pulling the puppet strings behind the scenes. I am a rapper and am only so offended by it. The people who control the school and the economy are the people that people need to be paying attention to. Their are fools out there claiming that Obama and Jay-z are both satanist. They sadly take this information and what to go study more about Jay-z and ignore the president. How fucking sad.
Criticizing 1 side for being at fault and ignoring certain aspects of society that at least promote biases and what issues can exist for different groups as a result is unrealistic. Although it's possible for one side to be completely at fault, it is usually ignorant to assume that such is the case. If you're willing to criticize 1 side, you've got to look at the other just as closely.
With that, I'm out and honestly I hope you see some of what I meant and have a good day, peace.
As for ebonic speach, it should be clear that I don't support it. But, I'll say emphatically if you need me to. No I don't condone of "ebonic" speech. Mild ebonics in a casual setting is fine, but not in a place of business. You'd have known that had you checked and not assumed.
I don't feel anyone is exempt from objective rules of business and professional ettiquite. What I have a problem with is an ethnocentric viewpoint dominating what's deemed acceptible.
@tokinblckgie Sometimes it's best to state an opinion rather than just going on and on with "don't assume". I admit I had thought one of those other comments was yours, but at the same time, clarification in this kind of comment format can be essential. By seeming to argue with me when I was arguing against someone condoning ebonics, it had implications.
I am with you in that I don't mind what is done, especially to a degree, casually.
@JHaines57 dude wtf are you talking about...shut your mouth and stop dishonoring the people that died for us and no we do not use white trash culture..why would I use the culture of the man that hates me..think about what you just said dude..are you from southcarolina...NO....so wtf do you know about culture or even black people from southcarolina...nothing...just keep your ignorant statements to yourself...
@JHaines57 man just stop...if your not even of black decent why are you even commenting on on this video...? why does it even matter for you...how the hell can you say that when the gullah islands where not even inhabited by slave master..this is why I asked you not to comment on something you know nothing about..
@dbaile2 Oh, and somehow having black skin means a person knows something about it and a person with other skin does not? Do you realize how racist a position that is?
Now, if you said "only people FROM THE GULLAH AREA" can speak on it, you'd at least be closer to the truth.
The bigger truth is that you have no idea what scope I'm talking about, as you failed to read the context. You just saw something you didn't like and threw and ape-fit on me. Real class act.
@JHaines57 well I am from sc and I do know what im talking about about because for one I am gullah and for 2 i am black so please stop making yourself sound stupid...wth do you know about black culture??? nothing...Im not even going to entertain your ignorance any longer dude...
@dbaile2 The only one making yourself sound stupid (and not very classy) is yourself.
You went on with this very RACIST notion about "if you are not a person of color shut up" kind of crap.
I know probably more about national "black culture" than you, as you probably never get outside your small little world to see other people and other ways of being. You just talk trash and call people stupid without basis.
You only make yourself look stupid and ignorant by having no basis in your points.
@JHaines57 YawN....you know probably more...lol...and how did you come to that conclusion?? My lil world?? Im pretty sure you have never left the unitedstates to go to africa, Ja or any other black country...all you know is what you are taught in your schools about black people...which is a complete lie...carry on white boy...lol
@dbaile2 And what does AFRICA have anything to do with AMERICAN black culture? LOL. You make the usual sense. Which is none. You just scream a lot of anti-white racist nonsense.
@JHaines57 thats like saying what does british culture have to do with whites...alot from what I can...wow..what school did you graduate from dude because they couldnt have taught you anything with the beliefs that you have...its funny how racist whites and I say racist because some of my best buds are infact white..talk all this shit then dont be saying shit when they eatting our food explain that one to me??
@dbaile2 I love when uneducated people try to argue as if they know shit.
There was this little thing called "slavery". Ever heard of it? It replaced the African culture with a culture of uneducated, oppressed slaves, with only a tiny bit of African remaining.
Sadly, most blacks cling to that "uneducated" culture, which is a slave culture, not an African culture.
Maybe you should, well, THINK before you write?
Oh, yeah, and your comments have been racist, I don't care who your friends are.
@JHaines57 You are a idiot African American culture is a great culture many inventions came out of it.I will rather have African American culture than any other culture.I'ts not a slave culture,African American culture came from the mixing of different tribes from Africa and mingling with Native Americans and Europeans.I can tell that you are an idiot white man.
@BLACKNBIG1 Right, I keep forgetting how clean and crime-free all the black neighborhoods in America are. I keep forgetting how crime-free every black community is. How highly educated are the people in every black area.
And the inventions of "black culture" - I forgot about all those! After all, the black inventors were mired in BLACK CULTURE, weren't they? LOL!
(And in case your substandard education didn't teach you this - this is SARCASM)
im fascinated. who knows about the thousands of irsh people kidnapped from there villages and made to be slaves amongst these people and also this is a reason 4 there accents etc
@BeRedIQ what the hell is u talkin bout they get their accent from from many different african tribes not no damn irish most gullah people are not even mixed plus white slavery was in new england and had ended in the 1600s the south never had white slaves stop makin up shit just cause u can
@Kevontae678 i have facts. FACTS. about the whereabouts of certain people from certain countries at certain times. so do you want to delve into the rabbit hole?
What about the slaves some of them sang CUM-BI YAH means come by here YAHUWAH Singing to their ELOAH. Because they some of them were from YASAREL. You say isarel.
evil useless creature with NO JOB AND NO DIRECTION AND A CRUSHING INFERIORITY COMPLEX. CANT FOOL US , EVERY DAY FOR THE THIEF, ONE DAY FOR THE OWNER.. NOW GO AND READ A NIGERIAN PROVERB AND USE YOUR WHITE HO.LET. HER TO PIMP IT.. SCUMBAG.. UGH!
YOU NEVER CAN DO DAT, DID DONE DOO DA DOO DOO HEAD.. heheheheheheheh loser!! now where is that left over from the communist eastern europe? hehehehehehe when she comes on here you will just CONFIRM what we already KNOW.. HEHEHEHEHE
MUNIEH IS MY AFRICAN BROTHER YOU ARE NOT.. AND NEVER WILL BE .. GO AND ASK YOUR FRENCH MASSA ABOUT THAT CREEP... ARE YOU NOT NOT THE NEEDTOGROW PIMPING WHITE FRENCH AS A HAVEN FOR YOUR PEOPLE IN AMERICA ? UNTILL A WHITE FRENCH PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE AND YOU RAN AWAY .. ALL YOUR FAKE CHANNELS ARE A WASTE OF TIME YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER WANNABE CAN NEVER BE CANT BE .. NOW GO AND FIND ANOTHER FON WOMAN AND BREED SOME MORE AND PIMP THAT SPERM DONATION AS THE NEXT RULER OF AFRICAN, YOU AFRICANT..
now all your CAPLOCK TRYING TO GET AFRICANS TO HATE EACH OTHER AND FIGHT AMONGST THEMSELVES IS A WASTE OF TIME.. VOICEOFCAMEROON IS NONE OTHER THAN PRINCENOIRAMERICAIN A BLACK AMERICAN WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO INSTIGATE AFRICANS TO FIGHT EACH OTHER USING TRIBAL HATREDS PITTING ONE COUNTRY AND TRIBE AGAINST EACH OTHER.. DONT BE FOOLED PEOPLE HE IS A HATER.
munieh and the rest of us are ON TO YOU .. you TRIED SO HARD BEFORE AND OF COURSE ITS NO CO INCIDENCE THAT YOUR REAL CHANNEL PRINCENOIRAMERICAIN is on your friends list... i took a GOOD LOOK at your friends page and its full of the USUAL SUSPECTS..
@muneih Well, Mr i know nothing (Muneih), i will not waste my time dealing with your low personality. I work for the people of Cameroon and careless about what you think of me. you are cought up in the web of racism because of your narrow mindedness. My people are going through hardship in Cameroon and all you do is use a horrible situation to try to gain popularity. I have respect to all Africans around the world because we are from One Motherland. Learn your history and grow up.
@galenwesson09 Actually, most ebonics is NOT the offspring of Gullah. If you listen to this, there's only a very minor influence in some of the cadence and stresses. But no one is arguing against an ACCENT.
Most of what ebonics is, is just fractured English. Is it Gullah to use "we be"? No. Is it Gullah to use "ain't"? Or "yall"? No! What about dropping the S off of possessives or plurals? NO!
@JHaines57 Actually those are ALL parts of gullah speech. Its also parts of other Black dialects in the Caribbean as well...i'm from St Kitts and we say "we be" and "who you be".
Y'all and aint were borrowings from European working-class vernaculars
@JHaines57 If you have listened to more gullah, they do say we be, And there are words from gullah that are ebonics. Like the words gonna and finna are in gullah and ebonics. Also phrases I done did it and saying Dat instead of that are from gullah. I'm not arguing with you about people not being able to speak proper english because they should for the market place. That I do agree but I strongly believe that gullah could possible be the mother of ebonics. Languages evolve over time.
@JHaines57 Have ever thought that maybe the next generation of Africans that became african americans could have mixed up broken english and gullah to make it there own and eventually the next genration started using standard english. The point is, it has evolved. the gullah nation stretches from South Carolina all the way to Jacksonville Fl, so I honestly wouldnt be surprised if it was. But that's my opinion.
P.S. I did mean suspicion, thankyou soooo much, I thought I spelled that wrong! lol
As a trained linguist, I can say with certainty your analysis is tainted by your own language ideologies. AAVE (the acceptable term for ebonics) isn't "just fractured English"; it has its own grammatical structure and vocabulary and can be considered a dialect of English. That doesn't make it "poor English". For instance, we could do with having "y'all" in all of English, since we otherwise lack a second person plural pronoun. Your comment betrays your linguistic prejudices.
@lacortina1 Were you really a "trained linguist", you wouldn't be quite as personal and would have better examples than "y'all".
Once again, no matter what the studies may say, the fact remains that most of the time, so-called "black English" is nothing more than an excuse for people incapable of speaking the common vernacular. After all, how do you measure someone speaking so-called "AAVE" properly as opposed to just babbling?
It's all just part of the excuses we make for black "uneducation"
I live in France now and grew up in Ohio, then lived in NYC. A lot of words sound like gibberish to my French husband but I can understand them okay, usually. And okay is French, it has to do with the way this country used to have two different ways of saying "yes." I teach English in France. Thanks for this. Shared and uprated.
slobomotion 1 week ago
SHE IS A BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMAN WITH A GREAT HEART SO WE MUST LISTEN TO HER.
OaklandAthletics53 1 week ago
this is not true that is the slave english but not origins african language whatever language they speak in north africa that our origins language because that where all black people in america from
18029295 4 weeks ago
Why any video on youtube that has anything to do with Black people attract racists spewing hatred? I mean there is alot of hate here. I did a search for Gullah, I clicked the first video and BAM, nigger this and cracker that. I am all for the 1st amendment but this is horrible. Why put forth the effort of clicking any link on youtube and leave these racist comments. Are you all venting or nternet net tough guys with no balls to say these thing in public or put a face to the hate. Get a life.
shawnbdizzlemynizzle 1 month ago 3
@shawnbdizzlemynizzle Very true. It's not cool and it's not what YouTube comments are for.
mgjnsn 3 weeks ago
actually i think this is the only creole language that survives its african origin in the americas. all the other english creole are all mixed today, how comes this one is still the same??.
manovrsb 1 month ago
he forgot to mention that OKAY is from the Wolof language, but that word is too pervasive and in common use to be acknowledged
childofconvenant 2 months ago
the language is the same as Nigerian pidgin english (sierra leone, ghanaian and Jamaican) the only difference is some words and they speak it with a white American accent I BEEN DON DO UM (Gullah) - I been don do am (Nigerian pidgin)
childofconvenant 2 months ago
I don't believe most of racism is coming from black people america is still ruled and probably will always be ruled by white people I'm not saying that other races can't be racist but like for an example The Tea Party all kkk just without the sheets.
love4934 2 months ago
So what they're saying that this is the beginning of Ebonics or that sassy talk that black people speak?
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FUCK BLACK PEOPLE!
jyawns 3 months ago
Today, all the racism is coming from black people. In fact, black people don't even realise when they are being racist because they think the word "racism" only works one way.
DayDreamAscent 4 months ago
@DayDreamAscent I totally agree. Blacks are by far the most racist scum on earth. They are VERY racist, especially in the US. But if you say the N-word...the 3rd world war has started. They don't tolerate any criticism against themselves, but they are extremely disrespectful and racist towards others. Blacks have no problem saying vile racist slurs against whites, arabs, asians, latins and mediterranian people. But if anyone says N, they explode. It's typical for that scum.
johnnygamer2011 1 month ago
@johnnygamer2011 ALL THE HELL WE BLACKS BEEN THROUGH AS A RACE! WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE RACIST, WHICH I AM , I HAVE NEVER CALLED A WHITE PERSON A FRIEND AND NEVER WILL., I COULD NEVER SAY I LOVE A WHITE PERSON, WHITE PEOPLE DO NOT DESERVE SYMPATHY! ARE RESPECT!
songnigga72 1 month ago
@songnigga72 little ape
johnnygamer2011 1 month ago
@johnnygamer2011 YOU PIECE OF WHITE SHIT! BURN IN HELL!
songnigga72 1 month ago
@songnigga72 oooh "white shit", I'm so insulted now. It still doesn't come close to "nigger".
johnnygamer2011 1 month ago
@johnnygamer2011 OH! IM SORRY I MEAN PALEFACE WHITE PIECE OF SHIT, ARE WHITE CRACKER ARE HONKEY, WHICH EVER YOU PREFER SNOW GHOST! YOUR RACE IS BECOMING EXTINCT!
songnigga72 1 month ago
@songnigga72 OI listen boy, go and bail me some fucking cotton before I hang your nigger ass! You want to throw it around you will get it back! Your on thew bottom of the food chain cunt, your like plankton when it comes to the human race! While we are out inventing things and pulling ourselves out of the dark ages you pieces of shit were still living the same way as people 20,000 years ago! You cannot even better yourself with all the opportunity us whites give you.Piece of shit!
riceburnagtv 1 month ago
@johnnygamer2011 FUCK WHITE CRACKERS!
songnigga72 1 month ago
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aoerstroem 4 months ago
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aoerstroem 4 months ago
Man, I wish I could speak like this.
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lilpoindexter 5 months ago
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luvureally 5 months ago
@MrCommentTroll i havent lived long enough to see 40 bigoted cracker presidents so i dont have anything to be mad about but you however got to be one of the select generation of bigoted crackers who happened to be alive when the first black one stepped in office for the very first time in the history in our nation so not only are you a salty bigoted cracker you are also special.
sophisticado100 5 months ago
@MrCommentTroll shut up you salty cracker! you just mad cause Obamas president. LOL
sophisticado100 5 months ago
this sound like jamaican patois . LOL love it however and very interesting.
sophisticado100 5 months ago
All racist people who take time out of their day to get on youtube just to make racist comments about people just hurry up and go to hell already!
marauda777 6 months ago 2
Can someone translate Magilla Gorilla coonbonics? All is hear is "Oongowa, unga bunga! Unga bunga!"
mcderby1 6 months ago
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african american english is the most beautiful english accent
dieglhix 7 months ago
People who annoy you
N GGERS
buy a vowel
DPwatkykjy 7 months ago
@DPwatkykjy and you need to buy yourself some manners!!!! How rude!!!
beatitkidnow 7 months ago
@beatitkidnow NAGGERS
the right answer was NAGGERS
PEOPLE WHO ANNOY YOU> NAGGERS
why are you so mean to me? :(
DPwatkykjy 7 months ago
dis nigga be trippin yall
cockbullniggerstorm 8 months ago
English has come a long way..unfortunately not pixels in videos
tenseman08 8 months ago
Every nigerian on yt knows that nnfefe is a fake ass congo hoe and is nothing but an unpaid biatch for prince a hole aka voice of cameroon aka igbo biafra aka a couple of new channel names which are hilarious dont worry prince a hole i got the name of your new channel and am waiting for you to come and use it .. alcoholics anonymous.. hahahaha
SuperQueenofAfrica 9 months ago
@SuperQueenofAfrica Let all go see"Lack of decent toilets in Lagos, Nigeria" She is burnishing her love of shit by attaching Africa in her name.
Nnfefe 9 months ago 2
hehehe the poor unpaid bitch for the akata troll couldnt carry its skanky mouth to the "basket mouth " page cos it knows nigerians will slap up its crap ! lol so it trolls on pages nigerians dont frequent being the coward it is.. of course this dumb congolese troll refugee from the congo hiding in the bushes needs a GREEN CARD hahahahaha dont worry you aint ever getting one.. *sneer* hehehe we have long dismissed your trolling naijagurl slapped up that stench ages ago .. you HAVE FAILED. HEHEH
SuperQueenofAfrica 9 months ago
poor sod, crying into her cupcake for her massa princeA HOLE.. hehehehe hey go and tell your massa that his igbobiafran channel is a dud cos igbo know he is a fake dull as ditchwater AKATA who can never pass as an african lol! eveytime he opens his stank, he is moaning like the lost puppy dog that he is.. and you are nothing than the next of a long line of HENCMEN who run to his aid to save him from the mauling he gets when he enters the AFRICAN LIONS DEN.. hehehehe keep flapping hahahahaha!!
SuperQueenofAfrica 9 months ago
People don't create their own language consciously or deliberately. It happens unconsciously over time.
And I highly doubt that Gullah is restricted to folks who descend from slaves.
I'm almost certain that it is spoken by day laborers, indentured servants and "whites" who had direct daily contact with speakers of Gullah English.
Why folks racialize EVERYTHING in this country like it's a mechanical process, is beyond my comprehension. It certainly is not a natural feature of humans.
criollokid80 9 months ago
@criollokid80 well you highly think wrong..I am a native of southcarolina and nobody knows this lanuage unless it was passed down to you from your relatives.
dbaile2 9 months ago
@criollokid80 Because the economic, social, and cultural elements of American society are largely divided along racial lines--particularly between "whites" and blacks; a history book might help you understand why that is.
treefingers1206 8 months ago
I am studying “African American Vernacular” for my Eng class and I was wondering if anyone has come across other videos that have tackle the origin or the evolution of “African American Vernacular” or papers? Thanks Youtubers!!
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Fuck these blacks!I mean, just see them making advantage of these awful liberties, for which these slaves should be thankful to the white guys governing their shitfaces; and then at the same time, in Africa, they fight for the so called freedom when their own children die with malnutrition!!!
Kingmen1421 10 months ago
i think afro turks are better they are good and like beautiful lok nese sayles, kazim kazim, ...
EastBOZKURT 10 months ago
Negro vernacular comes from poor white field hands. This is proven by linguistics.
TheBrewskiBaby 10 months ago
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seabreezeful 10 months ago
It is obvious JHaines57 has never studied English language or linguistics at undergraduate level. I'm afraid lacortina1 is right, i know you don't want to believe it, but cortina's right.
seabreezeful 10 months ago
@seabreezeful I love how people say "it's obvious jh never studied linguistics" and yet you and that other poster never did address the issue of standardization and addressing measuring proficiency.
In theory, two twins who live their lives closed up together can develop their own "dialect" between them. But would you consider it to be a valid credential for academic and professional advancement?
In theory a suit is no better than torn jeans, either, and yet will you argue against them @ work?
JHaines57 10 months ago 5
@JHaines57 I was referring to the present AA culture. How do you know they are incompetent at speaking standard English? People adapt the way they speak depending on who they are speaking to. Listen, there are many many varieties of English throughout the world. American English is different to British English is different to Irish English and so on. What is considered standard English in American English, might not be standard in British English.
seabreezeful 10 months ago
@JHaines57 like the previous poster said, English is the usage of English, it is understanding and being understood, THAT is what makes it proficient. As for standardization, that's difficult as language is not set in stone, it changes all the time. Everyday spoken English is about expression, creating an effect, joke telling tag questions, ummings and ahhings, hesitation, repetition and so on. You can't standardize spoken English.
seabreezeful 10 months ago
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seabreezeful 10 months ago
@JHaines57, I know you would like to see your variety of English held up to be the correct variety and the standard variety and all others are somehow wrong, that's because you clearly like to look down your nose at other people. If I were you, I would get off my high horse.
seabreezeful 10 months ago
@seabreezeful "My" variety of English is established grammar in my native land.
If some "ebonic" speakers want to go and establish their speech in another land or in a colony of their own, that's fine by me.
What I despise is people incapable of speaking the established dialect of their homeland properly, then bitching because they are not thought of as intelligent or not as accepted in professional circles.
You may not like business suits either but do you expect to wear torn jeans to work?
JHaines57 10 months ago
@JHaines57 There is no such thing as 'established grammar'. There are books out there on improving one's grammar, but this is just an attempt at dictating a language ideology by speakers of one variety of English/school of thought onto another's. Yes the mass media and schools also try to propagate this variety of English, which is why there is a misconception that there is a proper grammar and way of speaking.
seabreezeful 10 months ago
@JHaines57 It's funny how you describe the so called 'established grammar' as like a business suit, while all other grammar's are torn jeans - this is from your perspective and ideological stance, obviously. Anyway, not all careers/professional circles rely on the use of prescriptive grammar, but if a person wanted to 'fit in' to certain social circles, he would perhaps want to change from his vernacular to the dominant variety of English spoken in that circle. The choice is personal.
seabreezeful 10 months ago
@JHaines57 I wouldn't say people are incapable of speaking the so called 'established' grammar, listen to how the woman in this video switches from one variety of English at 0.35 to another in 0.40. Most people are capable of switching their dialect if they wish to do so, but that is their choice.
seabreezeful 10 months ago
@seabreezeful Sadly, very FEW black people in America are capable of speaking "ebonics" or "aave" and switching to, for lack of a better term, "professional speech". Otherwise why would they be speaking so poorly when it really would behoove them to speak well?
Again, I find that all this rhetoric boils down to excuses for people who aren't willing to improve themselves in this way.
I don't care if anyone hangs on to another dialect or not as long as they are CAPABLE of speaking "well".
JHaines57 10 months ago
@JHaines57 Are you an idiot or something? 'Capable of speaking well'???? That is a REALLY stupid and racist thing to say. You are clearly too stupid to bother with.
seabreezeful 10 months ago
@seabreezeful Have you not learned that calling someone "stupid" because they don't agree with you, especially when that person provides cogent arguments, makes SOMEONE look "stupid", but it's not the TARGET of the insults? LOL!
JHaines57 10 months ago
@seabreezeful Oh, and while I agree, there's no point in bothering with this conversation, since you've resorted to childish and erroneous name-calling, there's one last point I'll make to you.
You write of "current black culture", which I know you meant "current". But don't you see the problem when so much of "black culture" is a nod back to the days of slavery and oppression, when blacks weren't allowed to speak? Seems that would be an aspect of "culture" to be obliterated at all costs.
JHaines57 10 months ago
@JHaines57 I actually believe quite a few black Americans are able to shift back and forth depending on their surroundings. However, overall the current situation of black Americans' grasp of proper English grammar and pronunciation is an abomination. While roots of most regional and racial vernacular/slang is traceable, the vernacular spoken by these sub-groups is indicative of a lack of education. Clearly, many Americans of all races are not capable of speaking properly and that's a shame.
bshen88 9 months ago
@JHaines57 Another term for "established" or "professional speech" is "whiteness." In other words, you could say, "blacks should give up their culture, heritage, and history, ignore the structural, spatial, and social disparity that continues to exist as a result of it, and act the way that the white cultural wants them to." You see, as a white person it is difficult to understand that THAT means "be who we want you to be, or suffer."
treefingers1206 8 months ago
@treefingers1206 Oh, God, not another complaint about asking that if blacks want to be TREATED as equally capable, they should PERFORM up to the level that everybody else is expected to, that it's "destroying black culture" comment.
According to your way of thinking, if I was raised on the beach and was a surfer dude growing up, and if I weren't allowed to wear my bathing suit to college and the office, I should be able to whine that other people are trying to "destroy my culture".
Such bull.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@treefingers1206 The fact is, ALL of us are asked to speak in a certain way, dress in a certain way and perform in certain ways to compete in the established society. If's very racist to call that "white" society. It's just the mainstream society.
Why do all of us have to conform to these standards, in order to get ahead, but blacks, according to you, should be excused from these things?
And for the record, most "black culture" is borrowed from white trash culture, FYI.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57
If the values of mainsteam society are mostly euro-centric, then I would say that it is very fair to call it "white society" or culture. Calling it "white society" may be incensitive for some, but it's far from racist. Now back to your argument, If a euro-centric culture doesn't value or prioritize the success of all groups without conforming to it's own way, then that is fairly discriminitory. Until the success of all groups is held in equal regard the system will never be fair.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
And demanding that all others conform to a euro-centric model is nothing but closed minded. You can't have a closed--minded society that is fair to all members. It defies logic. Where exactly is the cutoff point on when someone has to look like the ideal? Is it the clothes? The hair? The skin? there's too much gray area. And that's only a small problem with our culture.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie Your attitude is why black people are having a hard time getting respected as equals, intellectually.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57
No, it's not. You don't even know my belief on self-accountability or anything else. You just assume that because I have an issue or two with the system as is, no matter how logical and real those issues may be, that I'm a problem. That kind of thinking is what's holding the entire world back, not just one or two ethnic groups. you're ignoring the issues in turn for a more ad hominem approach. That's completely illogical.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
As for your point on being viewed as equals, intellectually. I will always say this. The only way any group of people can have a "hard time getting respected as equals," as if you're some kind of gold standard, is that the other group already choses to view things things that way. That means that you automatically view your culture and your way as the right way, the superior way, and that anything else is inferior. It's systematic ethnocentrism and almost racism by definition.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
My last point would be this. How can you make a point on intellectuality in your response to my post then use not one logical or factual piece to aid you and instead opt for a more ad hominem based argument? That is the pure abandonment of intellectuality right there. I have no interest in being regarded as anyone's equal, and neither should any group of people on earth. My IQ of over 135 speaks for my own intelligence and I neither need nor care for anyone elses validation of that.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
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Because that is a subservient mentality.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie Oh, NOW you're going to pull the "you're not backing up your points" act, when I gave plenty of justification and arguments in previous posts, all of which you chose to ignore, to keep repeating the same lines about "why should blacks conform to eurocentric ways" when I told you exactly why we ALL do.
I just dropped that last line because you clearly are not listening or addressing my points. You're just grandstanding with the same old, tired afro-apologetic statements.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie And as for your IQ, true or not, I didn't claim whether YOU were one of those who were contributing to blacks not being seen as equals, intellectually, through your own personal example.
No, I merely am pointing out that your attitude allows for blacks to excuse stupid behavior and dress all under the guise of saying "we not be acktin lahk whitey, we be fine da way we iz"!
Funny how you're defending a culture which is actually not african at all.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57
You missed my point. I was using the IQ point to show why other biased opinions have no real weight and should not be considered by any one person or group.
Also, I'm not defending any culture or allowing for any "stupid behavior." You're simply making assumptions on things that I never said. If you want to know my opinions or "attitude" on other parts of "black culture" then ask. Otherwise, you don't know my attitude on any of that or what I do and don't actively condone.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie You've been championing the cause of black people NOT having to learn to speak to the established standards, trying to make it into an ethnic war, then say "but you don't know my attitudes"? You've been expressing them quite verbosely. Not listening to others' points, but you express your own, enough.
I wonder, if I went to France and hung out with a bunch of Americans who all spoke French terribly, could we say "but that's our culture" and whine when I can't get a good job there?
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57
Lol, I never said anything about blacks "not having to learn to speak to the established standards." Maybe the other guy you were arguing with before I stepped in did, but not me. You haven't made any points to me except that I'm somehow an enabler for blacks to underachieve, without having anything solid to point to to prove that notion. I'm not ignoring anything. I addressed an earlier point of yours and you've been dodging anything substantive ever since.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
Again, you're making bogus assumptions on things that I'm not saying. I'm no black apologist at all. In fact, I'm one of our biggest critics. But you wouldn't know that because you keep assuming that I'm saying things that I'm not. Deal with the facts and not your generalizations and stereotypes.
I was dealing with one semantic point of yours and you immediately started labelling me an enabler. Keep talking out of your ass, dude. I'm done. I hope you have a nice day.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie OK, I looked and saw that there were other comments that were made by another "t" name and I didn't recall if were yours BUT you jumped into the fray essentially taking his side on it and complaining that blacks would have to conform to "white / eurocentric" ideals, which is no ASSUMPTION - but something you stated clearly.
You still dodged my earlier points then complain if I didn't hit every single one of your points the way you would prefer? I did address it but in a different
JHaines57 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie way, as I had pointed out that you were complaining about blacks having to conform to eurocentric (aka white) speech and manner.
To which I pointed out (and you never addressed) that we ALL have to conform to those ideals, at least in SOME ways, if we want to be respected as citizens of the professional establishment.
Is it always fair? NO! Is it sometimes bullshit? YES! But blacks don't get a pass just because they're black.
Now if you're NOT condoning "ebonic" speech, say that.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57
I wasn't complaining about anything. I was addressing some issues with a ethnocentric society. Any ethnocentric ideal or society be it European, African, or Asian is inherently flawed because Individuals who are of that group will have less problems conforming because they, for the most part already fit the mold. It's also flawed because it disaproves of things that aren't in anyway negative objectively speaking.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie Regarding this ethnocentric ideal you mention, what aspects are you referring to about "fitting the mold"?
There's one matter regarding people coming from another society / country, but quite another when dealing with people from one's own country.
What are you suggesting is an advantage to conforming? Say, for instance, if in Africa business suits were white and black people looked a lot better in them than white people did? LOL
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57
Some issues aren't just with conforming but with the natural inclination of an ethnocentric viewpoint in genral. For instace, in the medical field, my father as well as other black and Indian doctors I've heard from agreed that on average their white counterparts and even nurses, if you can believe that, are less likely to accept criticism from them than from other white doctors despite in some instances being considerably more qualified and experienced than most doctors.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
To me, hearing this from Indian doctors was a surprise to me, for what reason Idk. One Indian doctor I spoke to told me about how much more stressful his job was here, not that he regretted anything though, than it was back in India because of the amount of discrimination he found himself facing and how he and others form his home country believed that blacks were more so just blowing things out of proportion until he began experiencing the same kinds of covert resentment.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
So even when conforming completely to the social structure the belief of inferiority is still there in many cases because that is the natural inclination of an ethnocentric culture to view others as inferior in some way. It becomes more pronounced when someone's ethnicity is obviously different from the majority's ethnicity.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
As for differences in nationality, the same principle exists for those of the same nationality. Nationality is simply the largest ethnic identifier. Inside a a country there are still more ethnic divisions such as African, European, Indian, Asian, and Native American. There are religious ethnic identifiers like Christian, Catholic, and Muslim as well. So even if an individual comes from the same country their ethnicity is still subject to change within their country lines.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
So even if someone comes from the same country as the majority's ethnicity, they're still susceptible to the same or similar discrimination a complete outsider would receive. As for issues "fitting the mold," explaining it all in detail would take a lot more posts and I've already probably used up enough space on this video's comment section already. But I'll give one, in my opinion, fairly telling example in the entertainment industy.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
In black comedy "circles" there is something known as "cooning." "Cooning" is when an entertainer, frequently black, is instructed to purposely dumb down his material or performance to make him/her more "black." In other words, they're supposed to make the character more loud, brash, obnoxious, and most importantly ignorant. Why? Because that's the stereotypical view of blacks coming from an ethnocentric viewpoint. It's practically a self-degrading, minstrel show performance.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago 9
And if they don't do these degrading performances many say that they won't get work, or at least the job in question.
Again, we may agree to disagree, but I'd ask you to consider this. You may not know all my views on "black" culture. If I had the time I'd have no problem explaining them as well as how large of an onus I place on blacks to improve our own situations and ourselves as people. However, there are issues on both sides of the equation that are hampering blacks in general.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie I understand your points, and there's no question there is a belief of inferiority, especially in certain circles. Not always a belief in INNATE inferiority but, with the system as it is, with quotas and affirmative action, there's a skepticism that a black person got where they are for having EARNED it. This is how affirmative action hurts in both directions. I agree this is there and shouldn't be. Not sure hot that ties into your other "eurocentric" comments, though,
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57 The one group that benefits the most from affirmative action are not people of African descent I can assure you, it's Caucasian women. So umm...is there a skepticism that they got where they are for having earned it?
CocoaBrownSkinLady 7 months ago
@CocoaBrownSkinLady Yeah, I've heard that claim before. I'm still waiting for anything more than empty lip service about it, though.
Even still, there is a certain degree of skepticism women, even white ones, get where they got out of certain advantages as well as sometimes believing they slept their way up. Women, more than men, need to PROVE they earned their accolades and position.
Standards should NOT be lowered now.
JHaines57 7 months ago
@JHaines57 Actually it's not a 'claim' and it has nothing to do with lip service. Google the stats if you are unsure. lol it's amazing that you can admit that due to stereotypes that women more than men need to prove their worth, but because of your racist bias you can't extend the same reasoning to other minorities. Your racism is also exposed when you automatically assume that standards are 'lowered' in regard to African-Americans.
CocoaBrownSkinLady 7 months ago
@JHaines57 I don't understand why some people (Caucasian racists) like you troll YT videos for anything pertaining to the AA experience in the first place. Your antagonism toward us is obvious, your bias against us is obvious and I'm not sure why you feel the need to put your two cents into anything in the first place. Why should your opinions even be relevant?
CocoaBrownSkinLady 7 months ago
@CocoaBrownSkinLady Oh, right, again with the FALSE claims of RACISM. Just because I call you out on the fact that your claims are unsubstantiated.
What is obvious is you don't back anything up, you just proceed to get insulting and to make more baseless points.
As for standards, I want the SAME STANDARDS for all skin colors. Look up "racism". You will find my stance is the OPPOSITE of racism!
It's sad people such as you can do nothing but call people "racist" when they don't buy your BS.
JHaines57 7 months ago
@JHaines57 lol there was nothing false about what I said nor was there anything relevant OR substantiated in your nonsense arguments.
CocoaBrownSkinLady 6 months ago
@CocoaBrownSkinLady You made FALSE accusations of RACISM, which is the biggest problem with most claims of supposed "racism" these days.
Just a lot of crying wolf. Then when there are black people who REALLY are facing racism, no one will listen any longer.
JHaines57 6 months ago
@tokinblckgie as prejudice is not quite the same as "eurocentrism", and it's different than the things we were earlier talking about, which was about professional and social standards.
Blacks dumbing down their performance, though, as you put it, may come from stereotyping but is it necessarily "eurocentism"? Blacks actually stereotype themselves more than white people stereotype them. I.e. hip-hop, ebonic speech, anti-intellectualism, etc.
Of course both sides need to be looked at, I agree.
JHaines57 8 months ago 2
@JHaines57 How exactly does either "ebonics" or hip-hop stereotype anyone? They are aspects of African-American culture.
CocoaBrownSkinLady 7 months ago
@CocoaBrownSkinLady culture? hip-hop is culture? most of the language in rap music is curse words....half naked women in videos...materilism...on and on. hell half the time you cant even understand what is being said in that "music"
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 Can you read? I didn't say that hip-hop was a culture, I said that it is an aspect of a culture. Most of the language in the garbage rap that you may have been exposed to may be curse words, materialism, half-naked women and so on, so forth, but there are so many more aspects to hip-hop than what the mainstream is exposed to. Just because YOU can't understand it or relate to it doesn't mean that it isn't music. Opinions are like assholes.
CocoaBrownSkinLady 6 months ago 2
@CocoaBrownSkinLady a culture of stupid. hip hop is total crap.
usaf317 6 months ago
@usaf317 Actually it's not a culture, it's a subculture. Not all hip-hop is crap. I hate mainstream hip-hop but there are a LOT of lesser-known/underground artists who are brilliant. It's a matter of opinion anyway. I happen to think that most alt rock and country are total crap but that's just my tastes.
CocoaBrownSkinLady 6 months ago
@CocoaBrownSkinLady exactly, and the reason why hip hop has turned into misogynistic music full of curse words materialism and nothing positive is because behind all the black faces dancing and singing there is a multimillonaire white business tycoon pushing the buttons so email and fax your complaints to the greedy white bastard that ruined my music and my culture!
sophisticado100 5 months ago 5
@sophisticado100
You must believe everything that you see on TV. Try listening some of the wonderful underground artist that are not controlled by the mainstream. And besides. I always hated the fact that the same things that people claim are "bad", "demeaning" and unattractive about rap is the exact same raunch that draws people to television, movies and people. I am so through with programmed people with their "negative" "image" of rap. It's so baseless. Fucking Pharisees =o(
MeascEntertainment 1 month ago
@sophisticado100
For the record, yes it is the psychological terrorist in the suit that is pulling the puppet strings behind the scenes. I am a rapper and am only so offended by it. The people who control the school and the economy are the people that people need to be paying attention to. Their are fools out there claiming that Obama and Jay-z are both satanist. They sadly take this information and what to go study more about Jay-z and ignore the president. How fucking sad.
MeascEntertainment 1 month ago
@JHaines57
Criticizing 1 side for being at fault and ignoring certain aspects of society that at least promote biases and what issues can exist for different groups as a result is unrealistic. Although it's possible for one side to be completely at fault, it is usually ignorant to assume that such is the case. If you're willing to criticize 1 side, you've got to look at the other just as closely.
With that, I'm out and honestly I hope you see some of what I meant and have a good day, peace.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@JHaines57
As for ebonic speach, it should be clear that I don't support it. But, I'll say emphatically if you need me to. No I don't condone of "ebonic" speech. Mild ebonics in a casual setting is fine, but not in a place of business. You'd have known that had you checked and not assumed.
I don't feel anyone is exempt from objective rules of business and professional ettiquite. What I have a problem with is an ethnocentric viewpoint dominating what's deemed acceptible.
tokinblckgie 8 months ago
@tokinblckgie Sometimes it's best to state an opinion rather than just going on and on with "don't assume". I admit I had thought one of those other comments was yours, but at the same time, clarification in this kind of comment format can be essential. By seeming to argue with me when I was arguing against someone condoning ebonics, it had implications.
I am with you in that I don't mind what is done, especially to a degree, casually.
As for "ethnocentric", that's another issue.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57 dude wtf are you talking about...shut your mouth and stop dishonoring the people that died for us and no we do not use white trash culture..why would I use the culture of the man that hates me..think about what you just said dude..are you from southcarolina...NO....so wtf do you know about culture or even black people from southcarolina...nothing...just keep your ignorant statements to yourself...
dbaile2 8 months ago
@dbaile2 LOL, wow, you're really one of "class", aren't you?
No, it's today's modern blacks who are dishonoring the honorable people who fought and died to try to have a chance to be better.
And yes, most modern black culture is based on white southern culture; it's a culture of slaves and not being allowed to be educated.
Blacks would do better to not cling to a culture of non-education and intellectual depravity. Not to mention hatred, racism and crime.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57 man just stop...if your not even of black decent why are you even commenting on on this video...? why does it even matter for you...how the hell can you say that when the gullah islands where not even inhabited by slave master..this is why I asked you not to comment on something you know nothing about..
dbaile2 8 months ago
@dbaile2 Oh, and somehow having black skin means a person knows something about it and a person with other skin does not? Do you realize how racist a position that is?
Now, if you said "only people FROM THE GULLAH AREA" can speak on it, you'd at least be closer to the truth.
The bigger truth is that you have no idea what scope I'm talking about, as you failed to read the context. You just saw something you didn't like and threw and ape-fit on me. Real class act.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57 well I am from sc and I do know what im talking about about because for one I am gullah and for 2 i am black so please stop making yourself sound stupid...wth do you know about black culture??? nothing...Im not even going to entertain your ignorance any longer dude...
dbaile2 8 months ago
@dbaile2 The only one making yourself sound stupid (and not very classy) is yourself.
You went on with this very RACIST notion about "if you are not a person of color shut up" kind of crap.
I know probably more about national "black culture" than you, as you probably never get outside your small little world to see other people and other ways of being. You just talk trash and call people stupid without basis.
You only make yourself look stupid and ignorant by having no basis in your points.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57 YawN....you know probably more...lol...and how did you come to that conclusion?? My lil world?? Im pretty sure you have never left the unitedstates to go to africa, Ja or any other black country...all you know is what you are taught in your schools about black people...which is a complete lie...carry on white boy...lol
dbaile2 8 months ago
@dbaile2 And what does AFRICA have anything to do with AMERICAN black culture? LOL. You make the usual sense. Which is none. You just scream a lot of anti-white racist nonsense.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57 thats like saying what does british culture have to do with whites...alot from what I can...wow..what school did you graduate from dude because they couldnt have taught you anything with the beliefs that you have...its funny how racist whites and I say racist because some of my best buds are infact white..talk all this shit then dont be saying shit when they eatting our food explain that one to me??
dbaile2 8 months ago
@dbaile2 I love when uneducated people try to argue as if they know shit.
There was this little thing called "slavery". Ever heard of it? It replaced the African culture with a culture of uneducated, oppressed slaves, with only a tiny bit of African remaining.
Sadly, most blacks cling to that "uneducated" culture, which is a slave culture, not an African culture.
Maybe you should, well, THINK before you write?
Oh, yeah, and your comments have been racist, I don't care who your friends are.
JHaines57 8 months ago
@JHaines57 You are a idiot African American culture is a great culture many inventions came out of it.I will rather have African American culture than any other culture.I'ts not a slave culture,African American culture came from the mixing of different tribes from Africa and mingling with Native Americans and Europeans.I can tell that you are an idiot white man.
BLACKNBIG1 7 months ago
@BLACKNBIG1 Right, I keep forgetting how clean and crime-free all the black neighborhoods in America are. I keep forgetting how crime-free every black community is. How highly educated are the people in every black area.
And the inventions of "black culture" - I forgot about all those! After all, the black inventors were mired in BLACK CULTURE, weren't they? LOL!
(And in case your substandard education didn't teach you this - this is SARCASM)
JHaines57 7 months ago
@JHaines57 White people are Angels.
In CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW YOU STUPID FUCK THIS IS SARCASM LOL.
BLACKNBIG1 7 months ago
@BLACKNBIG1 Why is it the people without brains try to call others "stupid fucks"? LOL!
JHaines57 7 months ago
@JHaines57 Because you are a Stupid Fuck Face,now go and screw your mother you inbred piece of shit .
BLACKNBIG1 7 months ago
@JHaines57
wrong.
Dramactica 4 months ago
@Dramactica writes: "wrong."
Such an overwhelmingly powerful argument! So thorough and compelling, how can I help but bow to your superior verbal skills?
LMAO!
JHaines57 4 months ago
Read for Homi Bhabha. He had interesting views about language and culture.
um22w22 11 months ago
This is what Imperialism amounts to
Victorgoleche75 1 year ago
Pic my cotton, boy.
SinShinron 1 year ago
@SinShinron what the fuck? no one is picking your cotton
weedm0nster101 11 months ago
Bunch o cat turds... Fyask me anyways...
broodwar1 1 year ago
African American English is liked worldwide.
RellyRellProductions 1 year ago
I'm Gullah and proud.
AirForceGirl05 1 year ago
Is that forrest gumps house?
klenny5688 1 year ago
african american english?...you mean slaughtered english?
TheYoungTurds1 1 year ago
@TheYoungTurds1 :(
midiman262 10 months ago
@midiman262 u knows it the truth.
TheYoungTurds1 10 months ago
im fascinated. who knows about the thousands of irsh people kidnapped from there villages and made to be slaves amongst these people and also this is a reason 4 there accents etc
BeRedIQ 1 year ago
@BeRedIQ i know !!! ur so right!
Bonidlebstrd 1 year ago
@BeRedIQ what the hell is u talkin bout they get their accent from from many different african tribes not no damn irish most gullah people are not even mixed plus white slavery was in new england and had ended in the 1600s the south never had white slaves stop makin up shit just cause u can
Kevontae678 1 year ago 2
@Kevontae678 i have facts. FACTS. about the whereabouts of certain people from certain countries at certain times. so do you want to delve into the rabbit hole?
BeRedIQ 1 year ago
@Kevontae678 you are right on point.
daniels37 11 months ago
What about the slaves some of them sang CUM-BI YAH means come by here YAHUWAH Singing to their ELOAH. Because they some of them were from YASAREL. You say isarel.
phattracs 1 year ago
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lol they act like they'd still be slaves
go pick mah cottun
and learn some proper language, niggerish ain't one
TheVerySpecialThommy 1 year ago
@TheVerySpecialThommy shut the fuck up! racist pig
germanblume 1 year ago
@germanblume I saw the video on your profile
you are the real racist. But it's okay, germany indeed is flooded with turks... Enjoy your multicultural country lol
TheVerySpecialThommy 1 year ago
@TheVerySpecialThommy lol I don't even have a video dumbass! and I'm not a racist! but obviusly You are
germanblume 1 year ago
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origins of niggerish?
TheVerySpecialThommy 1 year ago
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This is very interesting and informative.
ThePussyNigger 1 year ago
evil useless creature with NO JOB AND NO DIRECTION AND A CRUSHING INFERIORITY COMPLEX. CANT FOOL US , EVERY DAY FOR THE THIEF, ONE DAY FOR THE OWNER.. NOW GO AND READ A NIGERIAN PROVERB AND USE YOUR WHITE HO.LET. HER TO PIMP IT.. SCUMBAG.. UGH!
SuperQueenofAfrica 1 year ago
YOU NEVER CAN DO DAT, DID DONE DOO DA DOO DOO HEAD.. heheheheheheheh loser!! now where is that left over from the communist eastern europe? hehehehehehe when she comes on here you will just CONFIRM what we already KNOW.. HEHEHEHEHE
SuperQueenofAfrica 1 year ago
MUNIEH IS MY AFRICAN BROTHER YOU ARE NOT.. AND NEVER WILL BE .. GO AND ASK YOUR FRENCH MASSA ABOUT THAT CREEP... ARE YOU NOT NOT THE NEEDTOGROW PIMPING WHITE FRENCH AS A HAVEN FOR YOUR PEOPLE IN AMERICA ? UNTILL A WHITE FRENCH PUT YOU IN YOUR PLACE AND YOU RAN AWAY .. ALL YOUR FAKE CHANNELS ARE A WASTE OF TIME YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER WANNABE CAN NEVER BE CANT BE .. NOW GO AND FIND ANOTHER FON WOMAN AND BREED SOME MORE AND PIMP THAT SPERM DONATION AS THE NEXT RULER OF AFRICAN, YOU AFRICANT..
SuperQueenofAfrica 1 year ago
now all your CAPLOCK TRYING TO GET AFRICANS TO HATE EACH OTHER AND FIGHT AMONGST THEMSELVES IS A WASTE OF TIME.. VOICEOFCAMEROON IS NONE OTHER THAN PRINCENOIRAMERICAIN A BLACK AMERICAN WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO INSTIGATE AFRICANS TO FIGHT EACH OTHER USING TRIBAL HATREDS PITTING ONE COUNTRY AND TRIBE AGAINST EACH OTHER.. DONT BE FOOLED PEOPLE HE IS A HATER.
SuperQueenofAfrica 1 year ago
munieh and the rest of us are ON TO YOU .. you TRIED SO HARD BEFORE AND OF COURSE ITS NO CO INCIDENCE THAT YOUR REAL CHANNEL PRINCENOIRAMERICAIN is on your friends list... i took a GOOD LOOK at your friends page and its full of the USUAL SUSPECTS..
SuperQueenofAfrica 1 year ago
My grandfather talks like this.
26aowens 1 year ago
I watched this in my class at school =D
I guess i could say... I done done watched this here video >.> haha
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
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@muneih Well, Mr i know nothing (Muneih), i will not waste my time dealing with your low personality. I work for the people of Cameroon and careless about what you think of me. you are cought up in the web of racism because of your narrow mindedness. My people are going through hardship in Cameroon and all you do is use a horrible situation to try to gain popularity. I have respect to all Africans around the world because we are from One Motherland. Learn your history and grow up.
Voiceofcameroon 1 year ago
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@FuzzyCigarDude
Fuck off you racist. You don't know about genetics.
MaBu888 1 year ago
i use to speak the kings' english, but i caught a rash on lips
balancedeath 1 year ago
thanks for this vid. I had a suspension that ebonics is the daughter of gullah, thanks for answering my question.
galenwesson09 1 year ago
@galenwesson09 Actually, most ebonics is NOT the offspring of Gullah. If you listen to this, there's only a very minor influence in some of the cadence and stresses. But no one is arguing against an ACCENT.
Most of what ebonics is, is just fractured English. Is it Gullah to use "we be"? No. Is it Gullah to use "ain't"? Or "yall"? No! What about dropping the S off of possessives or plurals? NO!
All that is just traditionally POOR English.
P.S. I think you meant "suspicion".
JHaines57 1 year ago 7
@JHaines57 Actually those are ALL parts of gullah speech. Its also parts of other Black dialects in the Caribbean as well...i'm from St Kitts and we say "we be" and "who you be".
Y'all and aint were borrowings from European working-class vernaculars
lexdiamonds1990 1 year ago
@JHaines57 If you have listened to more gullah, they do say we be, And there are words from gullah that are ebonics. Like the words gonna and finna are in gullah and ebonics. Also phrases I done did it and saying Dat instead of that are from gullah. I'm not arguing with you about people not being able to speak proper english because they should for the market place. That I do agree but I strongly believe that gullah could possible be the mother of ebonics. Languages evolve over time.
galenwesson09 1 year ago
@JHaines57 Have ever thought that maybe the next generation of Africans that became african americans could have mixed up broken english and gullah to make it there own and eventually the next genration started using standard english. The point is, it has evolved. the gullah nation stretches from South Carolina all the way to Jacksonville Fl, so I honestly wouldnt be surprised if it was. But that's my opinion.
P.S. I did mean suspicion, thankyou soooo much, I thought I spelled that wrong! lol
galenwesson09 1 year ago
@JHaines57
As a trained linguist, I can say with certainty your analysis is tainted by your own language ideologies. AAVE (the acceptable term for ebonics) isn't "just fractured English"; it has its own grammatical structure and vocabulary and can be considered a dialect of English. That doesn't make it "poor English". For instance, we could do with having "y'all" in all of English, since we otherwise lack a second person plural pronoun. Your comment betrays your linguistic prejudices.
lacortina1 10 months ago
@lacortina1 Were you really a "trained linguist", you wouldn't be quite as personal and would have better examples than "y'all".
Once again, no matter what the studies may say, the fact remains that most of the time, so-called "black English" is nothing more than an excuse for people incapable of speaking the common vernacular. After all, how do you measure someone speaking so-called "AAVE" properly as opposed to just babbling?
It's all just part of the excuses we make for black "uneducation"
JHaines57 10 months ago