@ululaqui you don't have to be sorry for having a perspective....this was several years ago under a claimed world renown master and this is his product of that time but I am no longer with him. =)
@EnglandJCB This video is old and the training in it reveals the product of my old teachers, Tony Massengill and Samuel Kwok....I am no longer with them so things are different and much cleaner. As per the fingers, old basketball injuries don't allow me to keep them together without placing energy at the fingers rather than through the thumb and the elbow, so I can't help that...they are just crooked from getting them jammed so much in basketball
@Jeruwalter yup......why do you think I'm where I'm at right now??
Look, I'm not into your litte politics that I knew was coming bsed on yur second response....what I do works which is all that counts in a fight or self defense situation. If your all bent out of shape cause of lineage, I'm sorry....I'm a bit more practical than that
woaw woaw hold on there buddy, all wing chun is good, yes there are obvious slight biomechanical differences and habitual characteristics between the various lineages which are out there(that i am not disputing), notice that I put the quotes on the term modified in my 2nd response being that's a term i rarely use
so from my vantage point, "ALL" wing chun is "the good stuff" which means that there "AREN'T" any bad lineages out there either, Wing Chun itself is practical so its supposed to work
@Jeruwalter well, in the end "traditional" or "modified" realy doesn't matter....the proof is always in the pudding....you can't tell too much by looking but, as wing chun people know, by feeling. I can't change your opinion but I can only ask that it be a well informed one.....
Again, not here to play politics just show good wing chun in the Ip Ching lineage as past to myself. You like, you don't like....your thing
@Jeruwalter ok, so I? Gettingwing chun and its the good stuff....what areyou getting all bent outta shape for? Shouldn't your comments have ceased after I said who I was training under? It seems like you were just waiting for a response to find a way to insert your own lil agenda...
@Jeruwalter because my previous instrutors (all withing the ip ching lineage). Were bogus.....money hungry and didn't even know his wing chun....they claimed to but they didnt
To those form lawyers, you cannot tell a person's wing chun by what the form looks like - I have seen many people with good looking forms who don't know how to use them worth salt ( and I when I say salt I mean another four letter word).
@trubblman very true.....much more skill of a persons wing chun can be felt in their chi sau....of course, its still yet another beast to put it to use in alive self defense or combat situation
@rgvwingchun Thanks for upload it really helps alot,i am a beginner learning on my own.Keep up the good work and hopefully to see more wing chun forms uploaded.
your elbow.... is too far out and after the palm strike you go to a fist and your pak (slap) isint good and in the 2nd for your arms are too far out and at 2:26 it's too far out and your punches suck
@rockloverdude it may be or it may be the camera.....these are pretty old already and I was under different teaching then...so you may be right but things are different now =) can't wait to see your ;)
@rgvwingchun probs right, but just in case check to see if your sifu is in the "wingchun Archive" and afteryou've completely mastered wing chun to your full extent do jeet kune do and the comment under mine is right the hips in the 2nd form worked well
nice hip movements, that's where power really comes from. only thing maybe i might pose a question is the kick. do you practice it as a kick going up? or a penetrating kick? We learned as a penetration kick.
@kurosakilito Good question.....in chum kiu, since the kick starts from the original position so as not to waste movement it will have to rise but the energy is still "penetrating" and explosive so it has a sense of both. Of course, different aspects and directions of kicking are practiced on the Mook Yan Jong.
In the sil nim tao it looks like you are fully extending the arms during the 1st third of the form. is that intentional and if so what is your justification/reason for doing so?
So you know, I also trained in Ip Ching Linage. There are variations in what he teaches compared to what his students teach. I'm not criticising i'm enquiring.
I@pyyp23 I'm actually not fully extending the arm 9o shoulnt be)
May just be the camera. Should only be extending it one fist distance from the boy. Fyi I'm no longer under the lineage mntioned in this video but am training in Ip Ching lineage through Sifu Matt Johnson of Chicago
i'm trying to study wing chun the only one i could find was yip man's old one but it was very old so i couldn't see it thank you for posting this video
@RobCardIV actually I put the video effect cause I had never tried it out...and the Ip Man movie had not yet been released in the US when I recorded this. And if you ever want to see my Wing Chun just come by =)
@klsuperman That is at Newport News, Virginia....I forget what exactly the name of the park was, I think "newport news park" (There were several in town)....it was very beautiful so I coulnd't resist filming in it!!!
@awesomewillie1 I'm actually no longer under lineage here. I'm training in a lineage closer to Ip Chings through Sifu Matt Johnson of Chicago. He's a direct student under Grandmaster Ip Ching.
finally i've found a video of the 3 forms that is exact to Yip Man's tahnk you so much for posting this..i am currently a new student of WC but unfortunately do not have a sifu as the closest WC school here in New Zealand is 4 hours away from were i live so i have been learning thru the old footage of Yip Man his son Yip Chun and Samuel Kwok..i know i can only learn very little from video footage but hope to go to a school and be corrected of my mistakes and get my ass kicked haah haah haaah
@vehbivehbi not sure what youre getting at with the fingers....if you think they need to be completely closed or what...have old basketball injuries and they are naturally spread so they are relaxed that way.....as per the other stuff.....well, you gotta feel it to know if its relaxed or not....there is lots of relaxing and explosive energy there ;)
The only thing I have to say is that I've never agreed with doing the lan sau that high and the tan sau with the wrist below the neck line. It just seems too easy to collapse the tan if it's that low and the lan is just useless up that high. There are other things that I disagree with, but it wouldn't make any sense to point it out without either demonstrating it or having someone experience it.
well my experience with it is if the Tan Sau goes up against a really good and hard hook or haymaker it collapses if the wrist is too high...the biu sau makes better sense for picking up attacks that are higher than the shoulder...also, the wrist higher than the elbow leaves no structure behind the wrist (elbow) to support it, and the defense will have to rely on too much muscular energy vs structural energy.
As per the lan sau, I no longer practice it that high since I am under a new sifu
Not sure what exactly you are referring to....the huen sao movement is usually what follows the tan sao to go into the wu sao (an jum sau can be interpreted between the huen and the wu sao as well).....its part of the Siu Lim Tao form
not being an expert or anything.. Yeah I kinda noticed the stance is kinda different from other wing chun practioners. Isn't it your knees suppose to be like going inward or kinda like pointing each other?
depends which other wing chun practitioners you are talking about.
Frankly, the basic structure should be a triangle structure when you look at it straight ahead...now, if you squeeze in the knees too much you lose the strong triangle structure to support the upperbody more efficiently and you get a pentagon and the energy actually escapes at the knees rather than being rooted in the ground. Now, the energy in my stance is certainly adducting or inward but not so much to lose my structure
i was watching this guy called master wong. I dunno if you've heard of him. I'm really fascinated about wing chun martial arts and would love to learn more about it.
well I only watch Master Wong for some light humor and his presentation but Grandmaster Ip Ching has a much different approach on Wing Chun than Master Wong I feel so that is the source i go to ;)
I agree with you, master Wong gives me a feeling that he is performing Wing Chuen as a much harder form of martial art, which is abit misleading. By the way, I have seen some diffrent kind of people do the Siu Lim Tao, and there are some slight difference, is it because some of them are doing it wrong or is there diffrent kind?
depends what the differences are in Siu Lim Tao....for instance if its a jut sao instead of a gaan sao in the last section, its not wrong its just that Ip Man changed that part of the form in 1967.
If there is footwork in the form then it is certainly wrong....I have seen people add extra Biu Jee looking wrist movements to Siu Lim Tao, that also would seem to be wrong..
In short, it just depends what they are doing that makes it right or wrong I think....off center, energy direction, etc..
My stance is actually a bit wider in the SLT form because I am actually doing the form on a tree stump that I climbed up onto that you can't see on the camera so I had to be a little wider here =)
It depends on your size and type of wingchun. Some bigger people have a slightly wider stance but it still is within structure. Other styles of wing chun such as Grandmaster William Chuengs style assumes a wider stance in sil lim tau. The secret is that the posture is the same. The center line is properly aligned The shoulders are relaxed, and the body creates a triangle in stance. You should not be leaning in any direction forward or rearward, eyes should be ahead and your mind should be empty.
well wider stance sacrifices mobility since the wider you get the deeper and lower your stance is....technically, the feet should be roughly shoulder width apart
you are correct. If the stance is correct it would be shoulder width. This is where the stance can and should be a bit different for every practitioner. If done correctly a wider shoulder width would mean a wider stance. A more narrow shoulder width would mean a closer stance. There was a traditional version of Wing Chun that Grand Master IP MAN was skilled enough to modify. This version looks different from our forms and is very efficient. We should know both.
Ha...ha..Come to think of the forms, I recall that even sifu Yip Man's students in Hongkong disagreed about a lot of things, and they even fought each others for it.
So as long as you practice Wing Chun as a system and know the purpose of the movement, the differences should be negligible.
It seems that we can discuss at length about Wing Chun. Hopefully sometime we can meet.
haha...yes. I seem to recall the famous "tan sao" question between Wong Sheung Leung and another student...and Ip Man said "both are correct". Depends on application.
In Chum Kiu, when you move sideway with double low Bong Sau and change to double Tan Sau, when you stop moving one step, your hands must be in double Tan Sau position. But you are late for one beat: when you stop moving one step, your Tan Sau is formed afterward.
About Biu Ji, I guess that the turning is not important, because it depends on the schools. The opening punches and fak sau in some schools are taught with turning.
as per the tan sao formed in Chum Kiu and the timing...this is the way I was taught through Ip Ching lineage instructors - 3 masters showed me that way. have footage of Ip ching demo'ing that way too. Hard to see on the Ip Man 8mm as he doesn't even make the tan sao...emphasizes the Dai Bong, which is what I think I am doing as well. The tan sao is just a reset movement/return to mid-gate defensive posture.
I have seen Fak Sao with turning...I just don't do mine that way in the form.
About the fingers, whether you close them or open then depends on the applications. I think that you should try to block a strong force going in direct direction with Tan Sau, compare the open fingers and close fingers.
You can also use Biu Sau to strike to a heavy punching bag to see what happens.
It is too long again, so I am afraid that I have to post another about forms.
I totally agree with you about opening and closing the fingers based on application which leads me to wonder why you even posted that comment in the first place.
I personally wouldn't block a strong force with a tan sao. I think Biu Sao fills in more of a gap than the tan sao does(Its slight, but rotate the tan to the biu and see the little gap it fills). Plus, I dont advocate "clashing" but redirecting personally.
As per finger striking, I pick my targets and try to stick to the eyes
I would block strong force with a tan sau. turning and redirecting the energy of the strike is the key to Tan sau, but you are correct each person has their own preferece which is a key to Wing Chun. This style is personal. Everyone who truly knows it will perform it with slight diffrences. The forms teach practitioners their how their body feels with each movement.
Don't confuse "Ging" with "Brute Force". Believe me, I know the difference ;)
Ip Ching lineage has a different opinion about the fingers and how one strikes with them
Which timing are you talking about?
In Biu Jee, I'm pretty sure you're referring to the Fak Sao's...Ip Ching doesn't turn....in application, I'm sure you could turn and probably would as you see in the Jong Form...This is how I was taught
yup. Its the relaxation that gives speed as well which is what you are seeing here. Believe me, I have learned to not use my muscular power but to rely on structural power so as to relax and let the chi flow!!!
If my strategy is to grapple a grappler with my limited BJJ skills, I'm done!! Period. But if my strategy is to control the grappler for striking purposes, then I don't allow myself to mold into his game...I simply have to do what I do. The good thing about Wing Chun is the short range techniques. So when BJJ "closes the gap" this plays right into Wing Chun strategy. Takes downs work in BJJ because nobody knows short range striking...someone who knows the short range can present a threat to BJJ
Personally, BJJ and Wing Chun represent two different aspects of fighting...one striking and the other on the ground. Each has their own advantages and their own unique strategies; They are apples and oranges, still fruits but different. Put a BJJ guy up top with a proficient wing chun practitioner and he'll get smoked;put a wing chun guy on the ground with a bjj guy and he will get choked...so I never grapple a grappler...I put them in unfamiliar situations with the control learned from chi sao
Wow, what a beautiful practise location. Watching this video is like a meditation.
Thnx for the upload!
eppsislike 2 months ago
i'm sorry ..but your position is not correct
ululaqui 3 months ago
@ululaqui you don't have to be sorry for having a perspective....this was several years ago under a claimed world renown master and this is his product of that time but I am no longer with him. =)
rgvwingchun 3 months ago
It must be awesome to practice next to the lake! no lakes like that near me =( anyways, what song did u play for the Chum Kiu form?
sleepy1225 5 months ago
Thank you for the reply. I would like to see a new video from you. Good luck, take care!
EnglandJCB 6 months ago
All fingers should be stick together and the elbows should be close to your body.
EnglandJCB 6 months ago
@EnglandJCB This video is old and the training in it reveals the product of my old teachers, Tony Massengill and Samuel Kwok....I am no longer with them so things are different and much cleaner. As per the fingers, old basketball injuries don't allow me to keep them together without placing energy at the fingers rather than through the thumb and the elbow, so I can't help that...they are just crooked from getting them jammed so much in basketball
rgvwingchun 6 months ago
thanks for the upload im a beginner from london hope to see more videos from you!!
gemXXs 11 months ago
Still great, bro.
ObaNarayanShivaji999 1 year ago
you said you've switched Sifu's since this video shoot?
whom are you under now?
Jeruwalter 1 year ago
@Jeruwalter currently under Sifu Matt Johnson who is directly under Ip Ching
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@rgvwingchun
ah yes....
the so called "Modified" lineage or whatever that political term is
Jeruwalter 1 year ago
@Jeruwalter I guess....the good stuff ;)
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@rgvwingchun
the good stuff?
why have you ever encountered and trained in a wing chun lineage that ended up being bullshit?
Jeruwalter 1 year ago
@Jeruwalter yup......why do you think I'm where I'm at right now??
Look, I'm not into your litte politics that I knew was coming bsed on yur second response....what I do works which is all that counts in a fight or self defense situation. If your all bent out of shape cause of lineage, I'm sorry....I'm a bit more practical than that
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
woaw woaw hold on there buddy, all wing chun is good, yes there are obvious slight biomechanical differences and habitual characteristics between the various lineages which are out there(that i am not disputing), notice that I put the quotes on the term modified in my 2nd response being that's a term i rarely use
so from my vantage point, "ALL" wing chun is "the good stuff" which means that there "AREN'T" any bad lineages out there either, Wing Chun itself is practical so its supposed to work
Jeruwalter 1 year ago
@Jeruwalter well, in the end "traditional" or "modified" realy doesn't matter....the proof is always in the pudding....you can't tell too much by looking but, as wing chun people know, by feeling. I can't change your opinion but I can only ask that it be a well informed one.....
Again, not here to play politics just show good wing chun in the Ip Ching lineage as past to myself. You like, you don't like....your thing
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@Jeruwalter ok, so I? Gettingwing chun and its the good stuff....what areyou getting all bent outta shape for? Shouldn't your comments have ceased after I said who I was training under? It seems like you were just waiting for a response to find a way to insert your own lil agenda...
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@Jeruwalter because my previous instrutors (all withing the ip ching lineage). Were bogus.....money hungry and didn't even know his wing chun....they claimed to but they didnt
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@trubblman, agreed.@rgvwingchun,keep up the good work.Only you know what you do works. That's all that matters.
taoboxer9 1 year ago
To those form lawyers, you cannot tell a person's wing chun by what the form looks like - I have seen many people with good looking forms who don't know how to use them worth salt ( and I when I say salt I mean another four letter word).
trubblman 1 year ago 2
@trubblman very true.....much more skill of a persons wing chun can be felt in their chi sau....of course, its still yet another beast to put it to use in alive self defense or combat situation
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@rgvwingchun Thanks for upload it really helps alot,i am a beginner learning on my own.Keep up the good work and hopefully to see more wing chun forms uploaded.
baptistchrisjohn 1 year ago
Excellent.
narayanr 1 year ago
Ever one's a critic, thanks for doing them
wuboyblue 1 year ago
its a good thing you do it in the woods so nobody can see you ;)
rdbmo 1 year ago 2
@rdbmo LMAO
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@rdbmoLMAO
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
your elbow.... is too far out and after the palm strike you go to a fist and your pak (slap) isint good and in the 2nd for your arms are too far out and at 2:26 it's too far out and your punches suck
rockloverdude 1 year ago
@rockloverdude it may be or it may be the camera.....these are pretty old already and I was under different teaching then...so you may be right but things are different now =) can't wait to see your ;)
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@rgvwingchun probs right, but just in case check to see if your sifu is in the "wingchun Archive" and afteryou've completely mastered wing chun to your full extent do jeet kune do and the comment under mine is right the hips in the 2nd form worked well
rockloverdude 1 year ago
@rockloverdude another anonymous internet gangster strikes again. Please show us how it's done.
sifupr 1 year ago
your elbow.... is too far out and after the palm strike you go to a fist and your pak (slap) isint good and in the 2nd for your arms are too far out
rockloverdude 1 year ago
your elbow.... is too far out and after the palm strike you go to a fist and your pak (slap) isint good
rockloverdude 1 year ago
your elbow.... is too far out
rockloverdude 1 year ago
nice hip movements, that's where power really comes from. only thing maybe i might pose a question is the kick. do you practice it as a kick going up? or a penetrating kick? We learned as a penetration kick.
kurosakilito 1 year ago
@kurosakilito Good question.....in chum kiu, since the kick starts from the original position so as not to waste movement it will have to rise but the energy is still "penetrating" and explosive so it has a sense of both. Of course, different aspects and directions of kicking are practiced on the Mook Yan Jong.
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
In the sil nim tao it looks like you are fully extending the arms during the 1st third of the form. is that intentional and if so what is your justification/reason for doing so?
So you know, I also trained in Ip Ching Linage. There are variations in what he teaches compared to what his students teach. I'm not criticising i'm enquiring.
pyyp23 1 year ago
I@pyyp23 I'm actually not fully extending the arm 9o shoulnt be)
May just be the camera. Should only be extending it one fist distance from the boy. Fyi I'm no longer under the lineage mntioned in this video but am training in Ip Ching lineage through Sifu Matt Johnson of Chicago
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
i'm trying to study wing chun the only one i could find was yip man's old one but it was very old so i couldn't see it thank you for posting this video
sheld512 1 year ago
@sheld512 you're welcome =)
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
@RobCardIV actually I put the video effect cause I had never tried it out...and the Ip Man movie had not yet been released in the US when I recorded this. And if you ever want to see my Wing Chun just come by =)
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
beautiful view, where is this place?
klsuperman 1 year ago
@klsuperman That is at Newport News, Virginia....I forget what exactly the name of the park was, I think "newport news park" (There were several in town)....it was very beautiful so I coulnd't resist filming in it!!!
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
i can wing chun form 1-4
6083748 1 year ago
@6083748 awesome
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
Awesome. I found a sifu in your lineage and I hope to start soon.
awesomewillie1 1 year ago
@awesomewillie1 I'm actually no longer under lineage here. I'm training in a lineage closer to Ip Chings through Sifu Matt Johnson of Chicago. He's a direct student under Grandmaster Ip Ching.
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
good work man! congratulations!
FDGOD74 1 year ago
finally i've found a video of the 3 forms that is exact to Yip Man's tahnk you so much for posting this..i am currently a new student of WC but unfortunately do not have a sifu as the closest WC school here in New Zealand is 4 hours away from were i live so i have been learning thru the old footage of Yip Man his son Yip Chun and Samuel Kwok..i know i can only learn very little from video footage but hope to go to a school and be corrected of my mistakes and get my ass kicked haah haah haaah
kyhber 1 year ago
@kyhber glad you were able to appreciate the forms =)
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
Great viedo very sharp , nice form . Was fun to watch
ashoffx84 1 year ago
@ashoffx84 glad you enjoyed
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
Nice form what Lineage are you under. I have spent a few years under Lo Man Kam, now I am under Master Kwok.
WingChunTaiChi 1 year ago
@WingChunTaiChi Ip Ching -->Matt Johnson --> Me
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
awsome!!!!!!
vs667 1 year ago
@vs667 glad you liked =)
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
fingers are closed and relax ur self dude
vehbivehbi 1 year ago
@vehbivehbi not sure what youre getting at with the fingers....if you think they need to be completely closed or what...have old basketball injuries and they are naturally spread so they are relaxed that way.....as per the other stuff.....well, you gotta feel it to know if its relaxed or not....there is lots of relaxing and explosive energy there ;)
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
hey,
whats the song / music called during siu nim tao`(siu lim tao)?
greetings :)
foaly8 1 year ago
@foaly8 its called "temple by a river"
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
hey,
whats the song / music called during siu nim tao`(siu lim tao)?
greetings :)
foaly8 1 year ago
Great form man.
DistantSoul13 1 year ago
@DistantSoul13 Thanks
rgvwingchun 1 year ago
The only thing I have to say is that I've never agreed with doing the lan sau that high and the tan sau with the wrist below the neck line. It just seems too easy to collapse the tan if it's that low and the lan is just useless up that high. There are other things that I disagree with, but it wouldn't make any sense to point it out without either demonstrating it or having someone experience it.
Masterphan 2 years ago
well my experience with it is if the Tan Sau goes up against a really good and hard hook or haymaker it collapses if the wrist is too high...the biu sau makes better sense for picking up attacks that are higher than the shoulder...also, the wrist higher than the elbow leaves no structure behind the wrist (elbow) to support it, and the defense will have to rely on too much muscular energy vs structural energy.
As per the lan sau, I no longer practice it that high since I am under a new sifu
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
Why the man moves his wrist at 1.19 :)
doomguard1920 2 years ago
Not sure what exactly you are referring to....the huen sao movement is usually what follows the tan sao to go into the wu sao (an jum sau can be interpreted between the huen and the wu sao as well).....its part of the Siu Lim Tao form
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
thats a bunch a buu i beat yo ass
UMajest 2 years ago
naw man, is 2 legit 2 quit homeslice
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
very good but footwork needs attention
inkedanddaggered 2 years ago
sniff sniff....what's wrong with the footwork?? =/
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
not being an expert or anything.. Yeah I kinda noticed the stance is kinda different from other wing chun practioners. Isn't it your knees suppose to be like going inward or kinda like pointing each other?
jazz2slick 2 years ago
depends which other wing chun practitioners you are talking about.
Frankly, the basic structure should be a triangle structure when you look at it straight ahead...now, if you squeeze in the knees too much you lose the strong triangle structure to support the upperbody more efficiently and you get a pentagon and the energy actually escapes at the knees rather than being rooted in the ground. Now, the energy in my stance is certainly adducting or inward but not so much to lose my structure
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
i was watching this guy called master wong. I dunno if you've heard of him. I'm really fascinated about wing chun martial arts and would love to learn more about it.
jazz2slick 2 years ago
well I only watch Master Wong for some light humor and his presentation but Grandmaster Ip Ching has a much different approach on Wing Chun than Master Wong I feel so that is the source i go to ;)
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
Ip Ching? ok I will go check him out... :)
jazz2slick 2 years ago
I agree with you, master Wong gives me a feeling that he is performing Wing Chuen as a much harder form of martial art, which is abit misleading. By the way, I have seen some diffrent kind of people do the Siu Lim Tao, and there are some slight difference, is it because some of them are doing it wrong or is there diffrent kind?
DeDarch 2 years ago
depends what the differences are in Siu Lim Tao....for instance if its a jut sao instead of a gaan sao in the last section, its not wrong its just that Ip Man changed that part of the form in 1967.
If there is footwork in the form then it is certainly wrong....I have seen people add extra Biu Jee looking wrist movements to Siu Lim Tao, that also would seem to be wrong..
In short, it just depends what they are doing that makes it right or wrong I think....off center, energy direction, etc..
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
My stance is actually a bit wider in the SLT form because I am actually doing the form on a tree stump that I climbed up onto that you can't see on the camera so I had to be a little wider here =)
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
is it bad if you have a wider stance in wing chun or its fine?
jazz2slick 2 years ago
It depends on your size and type of wingchun. Some bigger people have a slightly wider stance but it still is within structure. Other styles of wing chun such as Grandmaster William Chuengs style assumes a wider stance in sil lim tau. The secret is that the posture is the same. The center line is properly aligned The shoulders are relaxed, and the body creates a triangle in stance. You should not be leaning in any direction forward or rearward, eyes should be ahead and your mind should be empty.
antoine9891 2 years ago
well wider stance sacrifices mobility since the wider you get the deeper and lower your stance is....technically, the feet should be roughly shoulder width apart
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
you are correct. If the stance is correct it would be shoulder width. This is where the stance can and should be a bit different for every practitioner. If done correctly a wider shoulder width would mean a wider stance. A more narrow shoulder width would mean a closer stance. There was a traditional version of Wing Chun that Grand Master IP MAN was skilled enough to modify. This version looks different from our forms and is very efficient. We should know both.
antoine9891 2 years ago
good stuff,
bagchun 3 years ago
Ha...ha..Come to think of the forms, I recall that even sifu Yip Man's students in Hongkong disagreed about a lot of things, and they even fought each others for it.
So as long as you practice Wing Chun as a system and know the purpose of the movement, the differences should be negligible.
It seems that we can discuss at length about Wing Chun. Hopefully sometime we can meet.
TanSauNg2008 3 years ago
haha...yes. I seem to recall the famous "tan sao" question between Wong Sheung Leung and another student...and Ip Man said "both are correct". Depends on application.
What an amazing system wing chun is!!!
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
In Chum Kiu, when you move sideway with double low Bong Sau and change to double Tan Sau, when you stop moving one step, your hands must be in double Tan Sau position. But you are late for one beat: when you stop moving one step, your Tan Sau is formed afterward.
About Biu Ji, I guess that the turning is not important, because it depends on the schools. The opening punches and fak sau in some schools are taught with turning.
TanSauNg2008 3 years ago
as per the tan sao formed in Chum Kiu and the timing...this is the way I was taught through Ip Ching lineage instructors - 3 masters showed me that way. have footage of Ip ching demo'ing that way too. Hard to see on the Ip Man 8mm as he doesn't even make the tan sao...emphasizes the Dai Bong, which is what I think I am doing as well. The tan sao is just a reset movement/return to mid-gate defensive posture.
I have seen Fak Sao with turning...I just don't do mine that way in the form.
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
About the fingers, whether you close them or open then depends on the applications. I think that you should try to block a strong force going in direct direction with Tan Sau, compare the open fingers and close fingers.
You can also use Biu Sau to strike to a heavy punching bag to see what happens.
It is too long again, so I am afraid that I have to post another about forms.
TanSauNg2008 3 years ago
I totally agree with you about opening and closing the fingers based on application which leads me to wonder why you even posted that comment in the first place.
I personally wouldn't block a strong force with a tan sao. I think Biu Sao fills in more of a gap than the tan sao does(Its slight, but rotate the tan to the biu and see the little gap it fills). Plus, I dont advocate "clashing" but redirecting personally.
As per finger striking, I pick my targets and try to stick to the eyes
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
I would block strong force with a tan sau. turning and redirecting the energy of the strike is the key to Tan sau, but you are correct each person has their own preferece which is a key to Wing Chun. This style is personal. Everyone who truly knows it will perform it with slight diffrences. The forms teach practitioners their how their body feels with each movement.
antoine9891 2 years ago
I like that last phrase =)
rgvwingchun 2 years ago
nope. The waist is the centre of all ving tsun.
If you don't have that, you don't have anything to build upon.
synkronyk 2 years ago
There are a couple of things:
- You use too much brutal force.
- Your fingers in Tan Sau and Biu Sau open too wide, easy to be injured in a real fight.
- In Chum Kiu, some times the timing is off.
- In Biu Ji, sometimes you need to turn, but you stay in full facing.
TanSauNg2008 3 years ago
Don't confuse "Ging" with "Brute Force". Believe me, I know the difference ;)
Ip Ching lineage has a different opinion about the fingers and how one strikes with them
Which timing are you talking about?
In Biu Jee, I'm pretty sure you're referring to the Fak Sao's...Ip Ching doesn't turn....in application, I'm sure you could turn and probably would as you see in the Jong Form...This is how I was taught
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
It depends on how you define "Ging". There are many way you can generate a force. But if you use inner energy (Chi) to do it, it is Ging.
In order to use Ging to generate force, you must be very relax, so the Chi can flow freely in your body, hands and legs.
It is too long, so I will have to post another comment.
TanSauNg2008 3 years ago
yup. Its the relaxation that gives speed as well which is what you are seeing here. Believe me, I have learned to not use my muscular power but to rely on structural power so as to relax and let the chi flow!!!
I have been well trained ;)
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
gay get in the cage so u can get choked out.
quinny2cool 3 years ago
ah yes...the "cage" argument...where rules, rings, refs and rounds protect each fighter...yes
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
hey you seem cool, but do you realy think you could come up against a black belt in bjj and survive?
quinny2cool 3 years ago
If my strategy is to grapple a grappler with my limited BJJ skills, I'm done!! Period. But if my strategy is to control the grappler for striking purposes, then I don't allow myself to mold into his game...I simply have to do what I do. The good thing about Wing Chun is the short range techniques. So when BJJ "closes the gap" this plays right into Wing Chun strategy. Takes downs work in BJJ because nobody knows short range striking...someone who knows the short range can present a threat to BJJ
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
Personally, BJJ and Wing Chun represent two different aspects of fighting...one striking and the other on the ground. Each has their own advantages and their own unique strategies; They are apples and oranges, still fruits but different. Put a BJJ guy up top with a proficient wing chun practitioner and he'll get smoked;put a wing chun guy on the ground with a bjj guy and he will get choked...so I never grapple a grappler...I put them in unfamiliar situations with the control learned from chi sao
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
A big thumbs up, my man!
narayanr 3 years ago
Nice Video!!! Now I can train the forms at home :-)
simplepeace 3 years ago
lol
rgvwingchun 3 years ago
I like how is looks like it was recorded on like a color beta recorder from the early 80's..of course you are too young to understand....
fooksau 3 years ago
cool vid bro. keep up the good work. See ya in December....god willing
fooksau 3 years ago
what about october?
rgvwingchun 3 years ago