I don't care what anybody says. It's a terrible fold. Yes there is a chance it can be beat, but that's simply the SMALL risk you have to take. In a large tourny you will be in for all your chips many times and these are the hands you look for to get your money in. If the guy has you beat then it's a cold deal and you move on. I had an 800$+ pot where I had Q high flush on the flop and the guy had the nut flush. It happens, but by folding you lose more in the end. How can anybody defend this?
@Omego2K You have to consider would someone be leaning into you with only a J high flush? I called with a Q high flush and he had a king high flush. But with a flop like this He wouldn't be leaning into him with the nuts, only a small flush.
It depends on the stacks, blinds, etc. Not sure what the level was there. Either way I play cash and I always bet big(3/4th of the pot about). Especially in casinos where people rarely call a big bet with anything less than top pair top kicker. Of course in a tourny it's a different story because you can't replenish your chips on demand.
this is a terrible fucking fold. theres always a chance he is bluffing... there is only 2 hands that beat you WOW why am I not rich.. i see lots of garbage play in big tournys..
@2112mbell Mike is an excellent tournament player, and has made it far in several ME's. The reason you are not richer, is because of those times you call and they are in fact not bluffing. "there's always a chance he is bluffing", pfff, so logical...
also to people saying "if another spade came he would have been crippled"
matusow has 2 spades and theres 3 on the board and if he thinks hes drawing with a K or A of spades then that means theres only 7 spades left in the deck.
the chances of Johnson hitting that spade is around 28% so if matusow thinks hes drawing he should still call
if he had an A or Khigh flush would he shove? hed do it with a set to give matusow a bad price to call if he put him on a high spade
but if he made nut flush/2nd flush - why would he move all in? he cant put matusow on a made flush obviously and matusow could easily be raising to 2200 with A9. K9, T9, 6s7s.. pairs or a set at best. so if johnson cant put matusow on a monster (which matusow should know, right?) why would he shove IF he has him crushed with A/K high flush- am i missing something?
Good fold. Pros try to avoid putting all their chips in, or a lot of their chips in if they can because even if you're ahead, you can end your tournament life just like that. It's not a cash game. Also there's a chance Matusow is actually behind.
This was a good fold by Matusow, but enough of that, this wasn't really well-played by Johnson, as the pot was only 4,400 and he decides to shove for an additional 16,300 on just a flush draw, not a good idea.
Regardless, the big move by Johnson was giving that speech. That takes a lot of guts as an amateur at the WSOP to be told you are beat when you are all-in, and to talk like you have the nuts. That is what really made Matusow fold for sure. Poorly played, but what guts from Johnson.
i folded a J 6 suited that turned out to be a flush. the hand that won was a two pair. four hands later i got pocket kings that lost to a 7-J straight. how do you think i felt about that?
In the context of the hand, Johnson had been the tightest rock Matusow had ever played against, he only played 10s+ A9+ or something stupid and folded everything. It was a horrible position for Mike.
That was not the worst lay down ever. It might have been the best lay down. You dont know what the next two cards are going to be. I would not have layed it go but I am not the top players in the world like Mike.
to say its a good lay down is stupid, its a standard call, the only way you can fold is if you have a massive read that you opponent only shuvs the nuts! Also he even says if you had the nuts you would just call, which most people would. How can you expect to win if you only stack of with the nuts when you have the board crushed.
I imagine when he shoved he put him on some sort of pair and thought that his overcards were outs as well when in fact he was down to 7 cards to wn the hand.
If you expect to go deep in a tournament, you must avoid gamble hands like this, especially when as far as he knows he might already be beat. Honestly, how long can you expect to last if you push every time you're only a 2 to 1 favorite simply because the rank of your hand is big? You can't even beat a $2 sit & go very often doing that more than once or twice. Great discipline here by Mike for knowing that.
@blackfese if that was a cash game, Matusow would call the All-in, but instead this is a Tournament, that's why he folded, he didn't want to risk all his chips and got kicked out :P
Im no pro but I put him on the ace of spades right away.. Its worth the gamble but if another spade hits he is pretty much cooked. Then again I saw the behind the scenes and Mike pegged him as super tight..
@ch1nn If I never saw the hole cards Its what I would have put him on. Of course I saw the whole play after watching the video. Im simply stating what read I would have if I was actually playing in the hand live.
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I honestly would put him on a ace high flush draw. No way I am folding there, if he got it, he got it. (thats why Matt is one of the worlds best and I am just average person who knows some poker.)
You have to be an excellent player to make such a tough fold. 100% fine within a tournament. His opponent could easily have had a hand like A2+ of spades to limp in.
Now lets go click a video entitled "The most amazing fold ever" exact same betting pattern and possibilties but that was the time he was actually behind.
Like the fold really...at first i was unsure but to put ure whole main event on what could have been him drawing dead was a risk...any spade on turn beats him too or river! so many donks out there dont realise that to go far in tournys you have to sometimes lay down monsters...its wat seperates the awesome from the donks....wud loved to have seen a turn and river though through pocket cam!
I don't like the fold because I just can't see him shoving with the nut flush, Maybe the king high flush though. But the more likely hands seem to be set, smaller flush, overpair with a spade, A9 with a spade, or just the Ace that he had. Not even close to the worst fold, he trusted his read, he was wrong, but his opponent had alot of outs anyway.
pretty bad im my opinion, not the worst by a long way, he figured the guy out why would he raise with ace? i think u make the call and if he hit another spade its just bad luck thats poker, could sombody tell me what the odds on 2 players floping a flush is id be greatful thank you ;)
This was a fantastic fold. For a tournament, you don't want to go all in with only a 68% chance of winning. If this was a cash game, sure, go for it, but not for something as big as the WSOP. Let him have the little cash and keep playing.
@Xmaggot93X lol, you're pretty smart when you can see everyone's cards. By the way, 68% chance of winning only means you know the opponents 2 whole cards
@jiamonx2 I'm saying that this is WSOP. Usually, people are gonna fold cards, even if they're high. If they stay in, it's pretty much promised to be a Jack or better. Anyway, All In is a very confident bet, and Matusow predicted that Johnson would have the Ace of Spades and that the turn or river would be a spade. It's an easy assumption, especially if you're pessimistic.
@Xmaggot93X im pretty sure matusow didn't calculate 68% in his head, and when there are 3 spades on the board, 2 in your hand, assuming johnson has atleast Ace of spades 7 spades left in the deck assuming not one other person holds a spade in their hand or one gets burned 9 handed. 22 cards dealt/burned post flop, and in total 52 cards in the deck 7/30? that's the highest percentage you can assume if the guy hasn't already got nut flush.
great bluff by johnson here he gains a bunch of fold equity and hes not completely drawing dead. This is a +EV play by johnson his pot equity is 32% but you have to add his fold equity to the equation to. Trying this at mid stakes and under will not work...
pretty sure, he thought he was drawing dead, mayb he was low on cash and had just been staked by a friend, didnt want any chance of busting out. who knows. hes a pro
yeah , that was a safe play. not bad, and Mike didnt even know that dude had the Ace. .good read actually . i remember watching this hand on TV. . . mike has lost alot of weight since this tourny
nothing wrong with this fold, u have to remember matusow feels he has an edge on the table. tight player fires back at him, like someone commented earlier at best case he is up against a draw(either flush draw or maybe set drawing to boat), worst case he is drawing dead
It was definitely a bad fold, there is absolutely, absolutely no doubt about it and there is no single person in the world that can prove otherwise. There were just way too many worse hands he would do this with (worse flushes, sets, pair+A high flush draw)
it doesnt say worst fold ever- period.. it has a fuckin question mark..so stop fightin over that..and matter of fact you must have huge balls to fold this..respect to mike..
lol...someone folding a '68% chance of winning' hand is hardly the 'worst fold ever'...Had Johnson held another space you may be called it 'the greatest fold ever?'
I think it was a great shove from johnson holding 2 overcards to a flop with a draw to the nut flush and with only 15k left from a starting stack of 30k. On mike's part very few people usually have the nuts to bluff on a monotone board all in with air, even if the player did not have a made flush he would probably have the Ace of spades or King of spades, hence instead of risking his tourney life here he just folded and decided to wait for a better spot
You play QJ suited and flop the best you could possibly hope for with your hand, then you fold, i dont see it honestly. I know why he did it, but i would never do it, not in that situation.
@CyclonexxxIce yeah! it is crazy. tough fold, really tough. it is almost "his" NUtz. . he didnt hit the best he could hope for ( that ace that dude had could have hit the board in the flop) he would have probably pushed then
Listen guys you are all saying this is such a bad fold because you knew both their hands. It was a great decision on his part to fold instead of taking his chances especially in a tourney because if johnson came up with one more spade he would have lost.
I am aware that matusow is really looking to play controlled pot poker but the other guys shove didn't make sense, I can almost certainly eliminate a nut flush there. But ofcourse if Matuso decided he didn't want to gamble his tourney life even if he was a 2-1 favourite then it's also a respectable decision.
There are so many hands u beat why 3rd nuts, u cannot fold. Also, probably with Nuts or second Nuts the other guy probably just call the re raise and let Matusow build the pot on the 4th and 5th street. Anyway I understand the call has high variance, but when you are a poker player u should only take care of making EV+ movements, and the call had positive expetantive by far. U cannot let a random guy who limps AJo in MP to outplays u with third nuts, u wont make big prices without taking risks.
This fold is a joke. First of all Mike u dont have the second nut flush. And second its soooo unlikely that the other guy has A 10 spades...mike is not a pro..he s a fuck DONK..
This is a bad fold because he had all the information he needed in the hand! NO one would push all in with the nut flush in that position. MIKE said it himself thats why he is just a good poker player and not great period.
@Pois3n Why risk it? To double up and build huge stack and start putting pressuring people to get more chips? What happened later on? He busted out again with a worse hand and a smaller stack without cashing out.
@Kenz305 "2 to 1 is not perfect odds to go all in with, especially in a tournament." Oh, really.
Let's say, you have AK and someone else pushed all in. But he exposed his hand and you saw that he has AQ. Would you have folded your AK? Apparently, you are 2 to 1 favorite.
this needs to be re-titled now. not the worst fold, prob from that table during that orbit. ugh. you are dumb for posting this. learn the game you donk.
One thing that wasn't even mentionned in the comments was Mike saying that this was the tightest player on the table, which may be the reason he got away with this semi-bluff. And any half-decent tournament player knows that in this spot you are only a marginal favourite at best versus a decent opponents range, so the fold is well disciplined and shows Mike is a quality player.
@PlayAXson : If he had trips, he would have 7 outs at that moment, and at least 10 outs by the turn. In tournament play, it's wrong to all in just because you're a favorite. Think about ICM. Besides, suppose there are 30% chance that the opponent had made higher flush (0% chance to win), and 70% chance with worse hands (70% chance to win), then overall you are actually a 49% underdog. Easy fold.
When playing against players worse than you, don't gamble much, because you can outplay them easily.
i think because he is not confident with flush because if one more spade he might loss.in his hand only qj.and he know the opponent has ace in hand.good strategy.if the opponent not all in maybe he will follow.he also dont want to take a risk.that is not worst fold!!!!!!!!!!!!
this actually a good lay down, an ace or king of spades can end it, remember that was just the flop, theres the turn and river left, any spades can show up on the board, so I dont think this was the worst fold, if he had AJ of spades then why not call right?
when I first started playing poker I would never think of what the other person might have only what I had and if my hand was good I would bet. so if I would flop a flush even if I had a 4 high flush i was going all in hahahahaha those were the funny days! no fear in my game and people would never try to bluff me ROFL!!!
conservative approach, i would have folded in certain situations such as on the money bubble. i would have called if i were deep stacked OR in a CASH game.
why would i bullshit if i was playing a cash game with small or medium stakes but not if im in a vulnerable situation in a MAJOR tournament like this.
since you say ANY situation, if i ask you if it was 3 handed at a final table at the wsop and the deepstack (lets say with 20 times more chips than you) puts you all in like this and right next to you is a player with half a BB left and the difference between 2nd and 3rd is a million dollars anyone with brains would fold.
It's a $10,000 buy in tournament. Regardless of how he entered, the prize pool is over $60M. Get back to me hater trolls when you can even afford to get to las vegas
this is actually a good fold... i mean you gotta give him a lot of credit he did a good thinking on it and sensed something, this discipline to lay this hand down is what distinguishes this guy from the fish who made that vid
@HigherPoker How strange, I replied to "special-olympics-fx34", then saw you'd commented again. Wow, $5 STT? I'm inside your head (I take it it's the same user)!! For the third and final time, no, I was not "advising" #1donkey. You think like a small child. I was calling him out for the retard he is. Idolising Mike the moron Mattusow is like rating Bud Light as a quality beverage. Lmao @ you!!
@specialfx34 Lmao, none of which changes the fact that Mattusow is a first rate donk. What part of "everyone knows he's terrible" are you not getting? And what do you think I'm predicating that assertion on, a $5 online STT career? You don't know me and you won't know me. My analysis, such that it is, is ABC, it's not even debatable. The thing I just don't get is where someone this bad gets his fanboy following from.
Monkeys and typewriters, friend, monkeys and typewriters.
This was far from the worst fold ever, whoever made this video knows the basics of poker but not the advanced tactics of tournament play. I tight player who limped in middle position preflop like that could easily have a hand like AK of spades or A10 of spades and Mike didn't want to risk his main event that early unless he was close to 100% sure he had the best hand. He was either drawing dead or ahead but only about 60-70% to win the pot, so he decided to wait for a better spot
@18MattCain I did. What you say is COMPLETELY wrong. You clearly weak-tight, so why would I listen to you? Saying things like "he could easily have had AK of spades" etc. And you can't see why this is is braindead? Anyway, I'm done with the idiots on this video. Mattusow sucks, but at least in the video he knows why he sucks with absurd monologue (trying to sound like Hellmuth, and failing). He can play good... for a while, but then he just has to start sucking again. You just suck.
@thespacialone Considering I'm like one of 5 people arguing against you and no one is taking your side, I would say it's much more likely you're the one who just plain sucks. I would love to play you heads up anytime
@18MattCain yeah or he could have three hairy balls :) shut up, you see monsters under ur bed. pushin with the nuts in that spot? go to poker school buddy,matusow is donkey and a yellow.not more and not less.adios!
@18MattCain you people find ways to justify anything you see on youtube, i bet you'd justify folding a royal flush too. This is a terrible fold and anyone who thinks otherwise(regardless of the stupid logic you come up with) is an idiot.
@18MattCain I'm sorry, if you wait to be a 100% sure to call all-ins, especially on the flop, many people will run over you.
Matasow made an emotional fold here because he had been running bad in the past main events and he just didn't want to take the chance of getting busted out from the main event again, which is an emotional decision not a rational, informed one.
If Madosaw knew his opponents hand(Skylansky's poker theory term), would he have folded? No. Then it's one of the worst folds.
@18MattCain i agree. A guy as tight as Johnson wouldnt hit a flop of 6-3-9 without atleast a flush(and prob. nut flush draw) and probably a pair with it or a set. Matusow was thinking even if Johnson had a set, then he'll most likely still have atleast a 33% chance of stealing the hand. A misread, but i understand the fold.
@18MattCain But how much does the amount you've already stuck in the pot affect the decision. He's already in to the hand ~$2500... I'm not sure of his stack, roughly $10 grand? If he wanted to avoid big pots, why not just call call call, if a 4th spade falls, fold.
..what if we could see the turn and the river and there was a spade? Sometimes you go with instict, sometimes your right, sometimes not. Allen Cuningham once called a huge river bet with jack high and won!
@HigherPoker Keep sucking Mattusow balls. You proly play worse than he does. I wasn't giving advice to that schmuck, as you well know, I was commenting on his bonehead play; and I wouldn't, cause he's a worthless prick.
Lmao, you think Mattusow plays even half-way decent, you're beyond help. He's terrible. More to the point, everyone knows he's terrible. And when he has the likes of you as a mouthpiece, God help him!
I repeat: You never made money and you never will. Deal with it, loooooooser.
@HigherPoker This is why Mike was running ice cold in 2009, making bonehead plays and, even worse, informing the table of the fact (world known as a douche, anyway).
What "Stage" of the tournament? Irrelevant. Even right on the bubble, which it isn't, he has the guy covered, so must play.
Unless you dispute his projected EV is +70%, the accepted benchmark, you don't even have an argument. I'd put it at that (didn't mention 34% sets) - you don't like that spot you NEVER made money, never will.
BAD FOLD. VERY BAD. NO ARGUMENT. This pusher isn't doing that with the nuts. Early limp from this guy, he can't have KQs, KJs, and he's unlikely to have KTs>. Therefore he has AA with spade or As with pair or As only or smaller flush.
Anyone tells you you don't want to get most of your chips in at 70% isn't worth listening to. Imo The EV is significantly +70% too, with pot odds and the fact you're beating his range way more than he's beating your hand.
Next time, don't raise. Donk. Why raise without the nuts??? That's what it happens.
fontelonga 2 days ago
I don't care what anybody says. It's a terrible fold. Yes there is a chance it can be beat, but that's simply the SMALL risk you have to take. In a large tourny you will be in for all your chips many times and these are the hands you look for to get your money in. If the guy has you beat then it's a cold deal and you move on. I had an 800$+ pot where I had Q high flush on the flop and the guy had the nut flush. It happens, but by folding you lose more in the end. How can anybody defend this?
Omego2K 4 days ago
@Omego2K You have to consider would someone be leaning into you with only a J high flush? I called with a Q high flush and he had a king high flush. But with a flop like this He wouldn't be leaning into him with the nuts, only a small flush.
AvoidEmpirePS3 4 days ago
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It depends on the stacks, blinds, etc. Not sure what the level was there. Either way I play cash and I always bet big(3/4th of the pot about). Especially in casinos where people rarely call a big bet with anything less than top pair top kicker. Of course in a tourny it's a different story because you can't replenish your chips on demand.
Omego2K 3 days ago
it was a sensible pro-fold considering tournee life at stake..Mikes 3rd nut flush hand at risk ..a sacrifice at times best thing to do..gg
victoryv111 5 days ago
this is a terrible fucking fold. theres always a chance he is bluffing... there is only 2 hands that beat you WOW why am I not rich.. i see lots of garbage play in big tournys..
2112mbell 6 days ago
@2112mbell Mike is an excellent tournament player, and has made it far in several ME's. The reason you are not richer, is because of those times you call and they are in fact not bluffing. "there's always a chance he is bluffing", pfff, so logical...
kake739 5 days ago
Id say it was a pretty good lay down, the guy could of turned his hand up and Mike still would have had trouble making a decision
judojoe07 6 days ago
ive seen worse people, it wasnt the nuts ffs
weatherallc05 1 week ago
also to people saying "if another spade came he would have been crippled"
matusow has 2 spades and theres 3 on the board and if he thinks hes drawing with a K or A of spades then that means theres only 7 spades left in the deck.
the chances of Johnson hitting that spade is around 28% so if matusow thinks hes drawing he should still call
silentsniper125 2 weeks ago 2
if he had an A or Khigh flush would he shove? hed do it with a set to give matusow a bad price to call if he put him on a high spade
but if he made nut flush/2nd flush - why would he move all in? he cant put matusow on a made flush obviously and matusow could easily be raising to 2200 with A9. K9, T9, 6s7s.. pairs or a set at best. so if johnson cant put matusow on a monster (which matusow should know, right?) why would he shove IF he has him crushed with A/K high flush- am i missing something?
silentsniper125 2 weeks ago
I guess the Rabbit Cam was MIA on this.
Mike was right that he couldnt have a Ace high flush.
Personally I wouldve put him on a set of 9s or pocket Aces with the Ace of Spades.
Both scenarios would have required dodging a lot of outs for your tournament life. And those were the worst hands he could have there.
Good lay down by Mike IMO even though he had the best hand. Seeing how the Main Event is a once a year thing you have to be completely sure.
Cdub2k 2 weeks ago
that guy wuld of donkey'd him n hit the fourth spade if he had called
jbullo92 2 weeks ago
Good fold. Pros try to avoid putting all their chips in, or a lot of their chips in if they can because even if you're ahead, you can end your tournament life just like that. It's not a cash game. Also there's a chance Matusow is actually behind.
Pirate44444 2 weeks ago
this is a clasy fold dude...
stankozability 2 weeks ago
eh... wasn't the worst.. just not the best odds lookin back at him.
trevdawg62 3 weeks ago
This was a good fold by Matusow, but enough of that, this wasn't really well-played by Johnson, as the pot was only 4,400 and he decides to shove for an additional 16,300 on just a flush draw, not a good idea.
Regardless, the big move by Johnson was giving that speech. That takes a lot of guts as an amateur at the WSOP to be told you are beat when you are all-in, and to talk like you have the nuts. That is what really made Matusow fold for sure. Poorly played, but what guts from Johnson.
Artoo64 1 month ago
i folded a J 6 suited that turned out to be a flush. the hand that won was a two pair. four hands later i got pocket kings that lost to a 7-J straight. how do you think i felt about that?
ph03n1xcanada 1 month ago
Good fold imo, this way you make poker less of a game of luck, he could easily draw out on him
danielvandam 1 month ago 2
Thought that was a good fold tbh
03frdhawan 2 months ago
poor play
deelennondee 2 months ago
Not a bad fold.
Baychimo 2 months ago
In the context of the hand, Johnson had been the tightest rock Matusow had ever played against, he only played 10s+ A9+ or something stupid and folded everything. It was a horrible position for Mike.
kramdude7 2 months ago
This was a good read and good fold!
abuckajaga 2 months ago
matusow is the tightest pussy coward ever
TheTorrentz 3 months ago
That was not the worst lay down ever. It might have been the best lay down. You dont know what the next two cards are going to be. I would not have layed it go but I am not the top players in the world like Mike.
1984inzeo 3 months ago
@1984inzeo results have nothing to do with the quality of the fold/call!
Strange0ne 3 months ago
@1984inzeo are you joking? or do you just play blackjack?
teezey90 1 month ago
fuck reading books or articles on poker!.. learn from all the wise youtubers.....
Infact every single player that has ever made it to the WSOP final table always consults youtubers for both strategic and psychological advice....
StarCraftiNator 3 months ago
2-1 on chance for someone at his level, is a bad trade off.
Leziii 3 months ago
Your worst fold, always hurts less than your worst call
James92802 3 months ago 38
@James92802 truthfully, i agree upon you! i'd rather fold to protect my chips/money than call and to risk losing :P
2LonelyPlanet 3 months ago
@James92802 A bad fold can turn a previous good call into a bad one , lol.
mrkiky 2 weeks ago
weaky matusow at its best.lol da mouth s soooooooooooooo weak plus he as no balls
lionel19651 3 months ago
I snap call here..
TheRiverSuckout 3 months ago
to say its a good lay down is stupid, its a standard call, the only way you can fold is if you have a massive read that you opponent only shuvs the nuts! Also he even says if you had the nuts you would just call, which most people would. How can you expect to win if you only stack of with the nuts when you have the board crushed.
I imagine when he shoved he put him on some sort of pair and thought that his overcards were outs as well when in fact he was down to 7 cards to wn the hand.
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VIPmsg 3 months ago
that is defo not the worst
gpkells 3 months ago
Instead the guy had a an ace 10 of flush and move in there. How would all of you youtube pro dickheads responds on mike matusows fold then???
TheWayshowerTube 4 months ago
If you fold a hand like this better stay at home people
Hennessy0g 4 months ago
@Hennessy0g you think you're clever huh?... no.. you're not!
Just read the comment under yours and you might brighten up the darkness that is in your mind
Matthhewx 4 months ago
If you expect to go deep in a tournament, you must avoid gamble hands like this, especially when as far as he knows he might already be beat. Honestly, how long can you expect to last if you push every time you're only a 2 to 1 favorite simply because the rank of your hand is big? You can't even beat a $2 sit & go very often doing that more than once or twice. Great discipline here by Mike for knowing that.
MCHellraiser88 4 months ago
worst fold?? wheres the worst there?? i say nice fold
tintin666100 4 months ago
graet fold
93jackyboy 4 months ago
i agree
93jackyboy 4 months ago
I don't usually play tourneys, but I'd call this 100% of the times lol..
nybombs 4 months ago 2
when in dought, call them
Zee96969696 4 months ago
wrong title it is a good lay down.
blackfese 4 months ago 37
@blackfese he was a 2 to 1 favourite how was it a good laydown?
DEANCAIRNEY 4 months ago
@DEANCAIRNEY
ok i agree that is bad lay down for a online player like you.
blackfese 4 months ago
@blackfese if that was a cash game, Matusow would call the All-in, but instead this is a Tournament, that's why he folded, he didn't want to risk all his chips and got kicked out :P
good lay down, :P
2LonelyPlanet 3 months ago
@blackfese no it's not
bradsolid 2 months ago
@blackfese maybe not the worst fold, or such a terrible fold, but it's not a good lay down
bradsolid 2 months ago
@blackfese No, it is not a good laydown, nor the statistically right one. The point is it's not a bad one.
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champions20000009 4 months ago
thats a guud laydwn...Mike had the 3rd nuts & for a tight player to over push a pot.....Let it go!!!!!
ARcarbon15 4 months ago
You take that situation in a tournament every time. If you put him just on the Ace of spades you make an insta call.
ewb248 4 months ago
Not a bad lay down at all, the the amount of times ive been pumped on the turn and river…
chafe11 4 months ago
what if there is a spade on the river or turn is that a good fold or not
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champions20000009 5 months ago
Im no pro but I put him on the ace of spades right away.. Its worth the gamble but if another spade hits he is pretty much cooked. Then again I saw the behind the scenes and Mike pegged him as super tight..
Dmode444 5 months ago
@Dmode444 well no shit you put him on ace of spades you can see his cards
ch1nn 4 months ago
@ch1nn If I never saw the hole cards Its what I would have put him on. Of course I saw the whole play after watching the video. Im simply stating what read I would have if I was actually playing in the hand live.
Dmode444 4 months ago
mike said he folded cus off the speech
08lum08 5 months ago
terrible fold...
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THERollyboy123 5 months ago
great fold！
sunyuloveu 5 months ago
that was a god awful laydown!
jbolton04 5 months ago
I honestly would put him on a ace high flush draw. No way I am folding there, if he got it, he got it. (thats why Matt is one of the worlds best and I am just average person who knows some poker.)
Dranco78 5 months ago
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terrible fold
darius595 5 months ago
terrible fold
darius595 5 months ago
Yeah not bad at all. Could have come on 4th or 5th street anyway.
MurphmanCometh 5 months ago
You have to be an excellent player to make such a tough fold. 100% fine within a tournament. His opponent could easily have had a hand like A2+ of spades to limp in.
KevinDorner 5 months ago
Now lets go click a video entitled "The most amazing fold ever" exact same betting pattern and possibilties but that was the time he was actually behind.
ArjayBlogs 5 months ago
PokerBonusNow you are most definitely the donk of donks with this post!
jasey18 6 months ago
Like the fold really...at first i was unsure but to put ure whole main event on what could have been him drawing dead was a risk...any spade on turn beats him too or river! so many donks out there dont realise that to go far in tournys you have to sometimes lay down monsters...its wat seperates the awesome from the donks....wud loved to have seen a turn and river though through pocket cam!
lewnik69 6 months ago
i ws expecting to see alot worse than that! not a bad fold at all
ladieschoice83 6 months ago
Fag fold.
zzzgdap 6 months ago
I don't like the fold because I just can't see him shoving with the nut flush, Maybe the king high flush though. But the more likely hands seem to be set, smaller flush, overpair with a spade, A9 with a spade, or just the Ace that he had. Not even close to the worst fold, he trusted his read, he was wrong, but his opponent had alot of outs anyway.
Sashinator0 6 months ago
pretty bad im my opinion, not the worst by a long way, he figured the guy out why would he raise with ace? i think u make the call and if he hit another spade its just bad luck thats poker, could sombody tell me what the odds on 2 players floping a flush is id be greatful thank you ;)
timtom099 6 months ago
if he called and another spade came up he was beat. not that bad
silentsniper125 6 months ago
If another spade would have falled Matusow would be crippled.
bandet888 6 months ago
Worst fold? No.
This was a fantastic fold. For a tournament, you don't want to go all in with only a 68% chance of winning. If this was a cash game, sure, go for it, but not for something as big as the WSOP. Let him have the little cash and keep playing.
Xmaggot93X 6 months ago
@Xmaggot93X lol, you're pretty smart when you can see everyone's cards. By the way, 68% chance of winning only means you know the opponents 2 whole cards
jiamonx2 6 months ago
@jiamonx2 I'm saying that this is WSOP. Usually, people are gonna fold cards, even if they're high. If they stay in, it's pretty much promised to be a Jack or better. Anyway, All In is a very confident bet, and Matusow predicted that Johnson would have the Ace of Spades and that the turn or river would be a spade. It's an easy assumption, especially if you're pessimistic.
Xmaggot93X 6 months ago
@Xmaggot93X im pretty sure matusow didn't calculate 68% in his head, and when there are 3 spades on the board, 2 in your hand, assuming johnson has atleast Ace of spades 7 spades left in the deck assuming not one other person holds a spade in their hand or one gets burned 9 handed. 22 cards dealt/burned post flop, and in total 52 cards in the deck 7/30? that's the highest percentage you can assume if the guy hasn't already got nut flush.
jiamonx2 6 months ago
What a great laydown at that stage in the ty
thewaronterror 6 months ago
great bluff by johnson here he gains a bunch of fold equity and hes not completely drawing dead. This is a +EV play by johnson his pot equity is 32% but you have to add his fold equity to the equation to. Trying this at mid stakes and under will not work...
MoveRed 6 months ago
pretty sure, he thought he was drawing dead, mayb he was low on cash and had just been staked by a friend, didnt want any chance of busting out. who knows. hes a pro
pulpfictionost 6 months ago
Good fold difference between pro's
superhawkn 6 months ago
this is not a good fold mats was goin 4 the hero fold but...
thisfuckinsucks1 6 months ago
yeah , that was a safe play. not bad, and Mike didnt even know that dude had the Ace. .good read actually . i remember watching this hand on TV. . . mike has lost alot of weight since this tourny
theeturnone 6 months ago
nothing wrong with this fold, u have to remember matusow feels he has an edge on the table. tight player fires back at him, like someone commented earlier at best case he is up against a draw(either flush draw or maybe set drawing to boat), worst case he is drawing dead
philhellmouth 6 months ago
It was definitely a bad fold, there is absolutely, absolutely no doubt about it and there is no single person in the world that can prove otherwise. There were just way too many worse hands he would do this with (worse flushes, sets, pair+A high flush draw)
TomMolivan 6 months ago
it doesnt say worst fold ever- period.. it has a fuckin question mark..so stop fightin over that..and matter of fact you must have huge balls to fold this..respect to mike..
yozeR4 7 months ago
Worst fold until Johnson hits the high flush. Nowhere near "Worst Fold"
Aethinus 7 months ago
lol...someone folding a '68% chance of winning' hand is hardly the 'worst fold ever'...Had Johnson held another space you may be called it 'the greatest fold ever?'
ACE777R6 7 months ago
not the worst fold, and deff a great semi-bluff from the other dude
greekman234 7 months ago
I think it was a great shove from johnson holding 2 overcards to a flop with a draw to the nut flush and with only 15k left from a starting stack of 30k. On mike's part very few people usually have the nuts to bluff on a monotone board all in with air, even if the player did not have a made flush he would probably have the Ace of spades or King of spades, hence instead of risking his tourney life here he just folded and decided to wait for a better spot
devilpro666 7 months ago
Bad player mat very bad
z5422 7 months ago
You play QJ suited and flop the best you could possibly hope for with your hand, then you fold, i dont see it honestly. I know why he did it, but i would never do it, not in that situation.
CyclonexxxIce 7 months ago
@CyclonexxxIce yeah! it is crazy. tough fold, really tough. it is almost "his" NUtz. . he didnt hit the best he could hope for ( that ace that dude had could have hit the board in the flop) he would have probably pushed then
theeturnone 6 months ago
Awesome tourney fold. awesome, awesome, awesome. too easy of a suckout.
padobah 7 months ago
Listen guys you are all saying this is such a bad fold because you knew both their hands. It was a great decision on his part to fold instead of taking his chances especially in a tourney because if johnson came up with one more spade he would have lost.
StribMusic 7 months ago
i would've called!
mannavaht 7 months ago
I am aware that matusow is really looking to play controlled pot poker but the other guys shove didn't make sense, I can almost certainly eliminate a nut flush there. But ofcourse if Matuso decided he didn't want to gamble his tourney life even if he was a 2-1 favourite then it's also a respectable decision.
insertintube 7 months ago
There are so many hands u beat why 3rd nuts, u cannot fold. Also, probably with Nuts or second Nuts the other guy probably just call the re raise and let Matusow build the pot on the 4th and 5th street. Anyway I understand the call has high variance, but when you are a poker player u should only take care of making EV+ movements, and the call had positive expetantive by far. U cannot let a random guy who limps AJo in MP to outplays u with third nuts, u wont make big prices without taking risks.
zurieskate 7 months ago
Leaving nothing to chance... Because we all know in poker chance is irrelevant .......
Izaak247 7 months ago
This fold is a joke. First of all Mike u dont have the second nut flush. And second its soooo unlikely that the other guy has A 10 spades...mike is not a pro..he s a fuck DONK..
slatz20 7 months ago
the worst fold has got to be a guy folding aces pre-flop, check it on youtube
calugcug21 7 months ago
it was more of a strong fold...
AminamHD 7 months ago 14
This is a bad fold because he had all the information he needed in the hand! NO one would push all in with the nut flush in that position. MIKE said it himself thats why he is just a good poker player and not great period.
hiphop6911 7 months ago
@hiphop6911 I agee with your logic there, but it just takes another spade to knock him out of the tourney... why risk it?
Pois3n 7 months ago
@Pois3n Why risk it? To double up and build huge stack and start putting pressuring people to get more chips? What happened later on? He busted out again with a worse hand and a smaller stack without cashing out.
tansuturdag 7 months ago
How is that the worst fold? 2 to 1 is not perfect odds to go all in with, especially in a tournament.
Kenz305 7 months ago
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@Kenz305 "2 to 1 is not perfect odds to go all in with, especially in a tournament." Oh, really.
Let's say, you have AK and someone else pushed all in. But he exposed his hand and you saw that he has AQ. Would you have folded your AK? Apparently, you are 2 to 1 favorite.
Please post better comments about poker.
tansuturdag 7 months ago
this needs to be re-titled now. not the worst fold, prob from that table during that orbit. ugh. you are dumb for posting this. learn the game you donk.
hornwriter 7 months ago
good video, bad title. How can it be the worst fold ever if we don't see the turn and river? Maybe it was the best lay down ever.
pendletonpanther 7 months ago
nothing wrong with this fold, actually it is a great play in tournament. never risk the chip for something not sure. anything can happen in poker..
guimoney 7 months ago
lol
Nicu6923 7 months ago
all these dumb youtube videos from kids playing poker for about 3 months...
absolutely nothing wrong with that fold
pcRhox 7 months ago
ridiculous raise 2200 in flop
objetive100 7 months ago
One thing that wasn't even mentionned in the comments was Mike saying that this was the tightest player on the table, which may be the reason he got away with this semi-bluff. And any half-decent tournament player knows that in this spot you are only a marginal favourite at best versus a decent opponents range, so the fold is well disciplined and shows Mike is a quality player.
MrTritratralla 7 months ago
@PlayAXson : If he had trips, he would have 7 outs at that moment, and at least 10 outs by the turn. In tournament play, it's wrong to all in just because you're a favorite. Think about ICM. Besides, suppose there are 30% chance that the opponent had made higher flush (0% chance to win), and 70% chance with worse hands (70% chance to win), then overall you are actually a 49% underdog. Easy fold.
When playing against players worse than you, don't gamble much, because you can outplay them easily.
vieestchien 8 months ago
not realy a bad fold, we don't see the turn and river.... :)
tomrom83 8 months ago
@tomrom83
He had the better hand so it was a bad fold, although I understand why he folded. Even if another spade come on the turn, it remains a bad fold.
UndercoverLdn 8 months ago
i think because he is not confident with flush because if one more spade he might loss.in his hand only qj.and he know the opponent has ace in hand.good strategy.if the opponent not all in maybe he will follow.he also dont want to take a risk.that is not worst fold!!!!!!!!!!!!
eddyrockers666 8 months ago
I'm more surprised Matusow laid down a chicken wing than a flopped flush!
jsham23 8 months ago
this actually a good lay down, an ace or king of spades can end it, remember that was just the flop, theres the turn and river left, any spades can show up on the board, so I dont think this was the worst fold, if he had AJ of spades then why not call right?
datu0108 8 months ago
great tourney fold. bad cash game fold
mistykruse 8 months ago 95
@mistykruse amen
jiamonx2 7 months ago
@mistykruse LOL horrible tourney fold
bottleracket 5 months ago
when I first started playing poker I would never think of what the other person might have only what I had and if my hand was good I would bet. so if I would flop a flush even if I had a 4 high flush i was going all in hahahahaha those were the funny days! no fear in my game and people would never try to bluff me ROFL!!!
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champions20000009 8 months ago
conservative approach, i would have folded in certain situations such as on the money bubble. i would have called if i were deep stacked OR in a CASH game.
DisturbedV7 8 months ago
@DisturbedV7 no you would have snap called in ANY situation, dont bullshit
CyclonexxxIce 8 months ago
@CyclonexxxIce
why would i bullshit if i was playing a cash game with small or medium stakes but not if im in a vulnerable situation in a MAJOR tournament like this.
since you say ANY situation, if i ask you if it was 3 handed at a final table at the wsop and the deepstack (lets say with 20 times more chips than you) puts you all in like this and right next to you is a player with half a BB left and the difference between 2nd and 3rd is a million dollars anyone with brains would fold.
DisturbedV7 8 months ago
It's a $10,000 buy in tournament. Regardless of how he entered, the prize pool is over $60M. Get back to me hater trolls when you can even afford to get to las vegas
PerfectlyHonest 8 months ago
this is actually a good fold... i mean you gotta give him a lot of credit he did a good thinking on it and sensed something, this discipline to lay this hand down is what distinguishes this guy from the fish who made that vid
TomiAk47 8 months ago
Wow amazing fold by Mike... he was right about the ace!!
caspermayne 9 months ago
@specialfx34 Consider your attitude Adjusted. Bye bye now.
thespacialone 9 months ago
@specialfx34 Inside your head!!
thespacialone 9 months ago
@HigherPoker How strange, I replied to "special-olympics-fx34", then saw you'd commented again. Wow, $5 STT? I'm inside your head (I take it it's the same user)!! For the third and final time, no, I was not "advising" #1donkey. You think like a small child. I was calling him out for the retard he is. Idolising Mike the moron Mattusow is like rating Bud Light as a quality beverage. Lmao @ you!!
thespacialone 9 months ago
@specialfx34 Lmao, none of which changes the fact that Mattusow is a first rate donk. What part of "everyone knows he's terrible" are you not getting? And what do you think I'm predicating that assertion on, a $5 online STT career? You don't know me and you won't know me. My analysis, such that it is, is ABC, it's not even debatable. The thing I just don't get is where someone this bad gets his fanboy following from.
Monkeys and typewriters, friend, monkeys and typewriters.
thespacialone 9 months ago
This was far from the worst fold ever, whoever made this video knows the basics of poker but not the advanced tactics of tournament play. I tight player who limped in middle position preflop like that could easily have a hand like AK of spades or A10 of spades and Mike didn't want to risk his main event that early unless he was close to 100% sure he had the best hand. He was either drawing dead or ahead but only about 60-70% to win the pot, so he decided to wait for a better spot
18MattCain 9 months ago in playlist Poker Hands 104
@18MattCain I did. What you say is COMPLETELY wrong. You clearly weak-tight, so why would I listen to you? Saying things like "he could easily have had AK of spades" etc. And you can't see why this is is braindead? Anyway, I'm done with the idiots on this video. Mattusow sucks, but at least in the video he knows why he sucks with absurd monologue (trying to sound like Hellmuth, and failing). He can play good... for a while, but then he just has to start sucking again. You just suck.
thespacialone 9 months ago
@thespacialone Considering I'm like one of 5 people arguing against you and no one is taking your side, I would say it's much more likely you're the one who just plain sucks. I would love to play you heads up anytime
18MattCain 9 months ago
@18MattCain Anyone with half a brain is going to stay out of such petty bs. Only weak-tight morons come to their brethren's aid!!
What site you play, what game you play, what time you play, what stakes you play?
thespacialone 8 months ago
@18MattCain yeah or he could have three hairy balls :) shut up, you see monsters under ur bed. pushin with the nuts in that spot? go to poker school buddy,matusow is donkey and a yellow.not more and not less.adios!
ZariotX 8 months ago
@18MattCain limping AK in MP are u retard?
asdfglglgl 8 months ago
@18MattCain you people find ways to justify anything you see on youtube, i bet you'd justify folding a royal flush too. This is a terrible fold and anyone who thinks otherwise(regardless of the stupid logic you come up with) is an idiot.
Newblish 7 months ago
@18MattCain I'm sorry, if you wait to be a 100% sure to call all-ins, especially on the flop, many people will run over you.
Matasow made an emotional fold here because he had been running bad in the past main events and he just didn't want to take the chance of getting busted out from the main event again, which is an emotional decision not a rational, informed one.
If Madosaw knew his opponents hand(Skylansky's poker theory term), would he have folded? No. Then it's one of the worst folds.
tansuturdag 7 months ago
@18MattCain i agree. A guy as tight as Johnson wouldnt hit a flop of 6-3-9 without atleast a flush(and prob. nut flush draw) and probably a pair with it or a set. Matusow was thinking even if Johnson had a set, then he'll most likely still have atleast a 33% chance of stealing the hand. A misread, but i understand the fold.
samueljue 7 months ago
@18MattCain yeah definitely a tourney fold, 16.3k into a 4.4k pot or w/e bb 300. risking 50 bigs is alot
jiamonx2 7 months ago
@18MattCain But how much does the amount you've already stuck in the pot affect the decision. He's already in to the hand ~$2500... I'm not sure of his stack, roughly $10 grand? If he wanted to avoid big pots, why not just call call call, if a 4th spade falls, fold.
JohnLeeMD 6 months ago
@18MattCain shut up
Taxi502 5 months ago
..what if we could see the turn and the river and there was a spade? Sometimes you go with instict, sometimes your right, sometimes not. Allen Cuningham once called a huge river bet with jack high and won!
dimitriosfl 9 months ago
totally STUPID...WAIT FOR 100 % DICK !
ebrarrecepi 9 months ago
i wouldnt say this is the worst fold ever he thought he had the nuts and he didnt
it was also the tightest player to push....if he has a set hes drawing also
limesoda23 9 months ago
@HigherPoker Keep sucking Mattusow balls. You proly play worse than he does. I wasn't giving advice to that schmuck, as you well know, I was commenting on his bonehead play; and I wouldn't, cause he's a worthless prick.
Lmao, you think Mattusow plays even half-way decent, you're beyond help. He's terrible. More to the point, everyone knows he's terrible. And when he has the likes of you as a mouthpiece, God help him!
I repeat: You never made money and you never will. Deal with it, loooooooser.
thespacialone 9 months ago
@thespacialone he sucks huh? exactly how many w.s.o.p. bracelets do you have and how many deep runs in the main event have you done hater troll?
BullsFanatic 9 months ago
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champions20000009 9 months ago
@HigherPoker This is why Mike was running ice cold in 2009, making bonehead plays and, even worse, informing the table of the fact (world known as a douche, anyway).
What "Stage" of the tournament? Irrelevant. Even right on the bubble, which it isn't, he has the guy covered, so must play.
Unless you dispute his projected EV is +70%, the accepted benchmark, you don't even have an argument. I'd put it at that (didn't mention 34% sets) - you don't like that spot you NEVER made money, never will.
thespacialone 9 months ago
BAD FOLD. VERY BAD. NO ARGUMENT. This pusher isn't doing that with the nuts. Early limp from this guy, he can't have KQs, KJs, and he's unlikely to have KTs>. Therefore he has AA with spade or As with pair or As only or smaller flush.
Anyone tells you you don't want to get most of your chips in at 70% isn't worth listening to. Imo The EV is significantly +70% too, with pot odds and the fact you're beating his range way more than he's beating your hand.
thespacialone 9 months ago
@thespacialone Please read my comment, you ignorant hater
18MattCain 9 months ago
In a cash game this is insta call.
Iizardkingz 9 months ago
Always bet on black! :P
BurnYourCash 9 months ago
Bad laydown, 68% winning chance, c'mon.
tranquility922 9 months ago
he did the correct play right?
hombredelpartido 9 months ago