Newsletters Fallout - Hardball (see Tucker vid for update)

[shanklinmike]

His message is right! He truly defends the constitution and no newsletters will stop the American people for protecting individual liberty and peace!

[JCHP4G15]

btw, people should actually WATCH the CNN interview before thinking/speaking.

[JCHP4G15]

the rating says it all

[alyceclover]

I was willing to give Paul the benefit on doubt on this one, even though I suspected him of bigotry by the things he says. Anyone that grew up in Jim Crow south days, knows that African/Americans did not have the same opportunities as whites, which he keeps implying in his speeches. Seeing his Storm Front supporters convinced me he is two-faced.

[moriartychristin]

detective slime : We all know your a cop and trying to work the races against each other. Your hate will consume YOU  in hell

[detectivesyme]

Ron Paul knows the truth. Hitler was right, Martin Luther King was wrong. Ron Paul for Fuhrer!

[mikecrouch1]

Ha, this horrible try was just plain dumb! We all know the anchor is the racist. Ron Paul the African Americans support you! I will vote for you.

[happinessisnowhere]

Ron Pauls district in Texas has a very large percentage of blacks & hispanics who have consistantly elected him back into Congress. Back in the mid 90's when another politician tried to use the newsletters against Paul when he was running against him. Didn't work (Paul won in a landslide) and it won't work now.

Real easy to make sweeping accusations. Spend a few days & read Dr. Pauls writings over the last 30 years. He didn't write them. Freedom, Prosperity & PEACE!

[oldhacks]

its all so transparent. holding onto a clod of dirt and tryin to make believe its gold. the store aint gonna make believe with you that thats gold you're holding.

[arcblatt]

The NAACP spoke out about this. This is nothing more than political progaganda. Ron Paul is censored from the mainstream media unless the information is negative. For more information: /watch?v=tvAuSXq5etA

[bobbyusbombs]

It's all over for Paul now, guess those Uncle Toms who supported him won't be getting cushy jobs in a Paul administration!

[narutokenshin007]

Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment.

[llim745]

Operation Mockingbird check it out yourself and see what the media is about

[Enlightenment4All]

Based on many years of his known writing, the quotes we are being fed from the alleged newsletters, sound nothing like Dr. Paul in style or substance. Furthermore, based upon the source and timing of the story, I would question the authenticity of the copies cited as source. TNRs, Kirchick claims in his story, that finding them "was no easy task." Can we even trust that these were the original, unchanged newsletters? (cont)

[Enlightenment4All]

James Kirchick is an assistant editor at The New Republic, a neo conservative publication well known for its own controversies. 1995, TNR writer Ruth Shalit, fired for repeated plagiarisms, and excessive factual errors in her articles. 1998, TNR writer Stephen Glass was nailed by a Forbes investigation for fabricating the story "Hack Heaven". Upon further investigation it was found that most of Glass' stories had been based on or used fabricated information. (cont)

[Enlightenment4All]

TNRs "unsigned editorials prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq expressed strong support for military action, citing the threat of WMD. Since the end of major military operations, unsigned editorials, while critical of the handling of the war, have continued to justify the invasion." Not exactly aligned with Pauls foreign policies are they? (cont)

[Enlightenment4All]

TNRs paid circulation had dropped from 101,651 in 2000, to 61,024 for 2006. With readership revenue losses over 40%, should we consider it a coincidental "good fortune" for their controversial primary eve smear piece on an anti-war candidate to have gained them much needed exposure on the MSM? (Sources: Forbes/Vanity Fair '98/Wiki) (cont)

[Enlightenment4All]

For more examples of TNR controversies google:

TNR and Lee Siegel -- (TNR Blog shilling)

TNR and the Spencer Ackerman firing

TNR and the Scott Thomas Beauchamp controversy (cont)

[Enlightenment4All]

In summery, I think it wise for people to avoid rushing to judgment regarding these claims. Those who know Dr. Paul well, will clearly tell you that the claims simply do not match the man. Those familiar with the publication originating the claims will say?

[mts1583]

Any discussion/charge of racism aside, is it responsible for someone to allow their name to be attached to an operation/publication which they know nothing about?

[mts1583]

If the New Republic was a neo-con publication, why would it publish and defend the "Baghdad Diarist" column for weeks? (In case you haven't read it, it was a made up account of atrocities committed by US soldiers in Iraq - including the mistreatment of the corpses of Iraqi children). Sounds like a real neo-con mag to me...

[Enlightenment4All]

Since the end of major military operations, unsigned editorials, WHILE CRITICAL of the HANDLING of the war, have continued to JUSTIFY the INVASION.

And they ARE INDEED a neo-con publication with a history of credibility issues.

[getonid]

Funny....you can`t get NOT ONE educated Black to agree that Ron Paul is a racist.

Why is that ALL those people who are calling Ron Paul a racist are White? Don`t you think Black people in America know a racist when they see and hear one?

[mikesblack]

Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment.

[RonPaulGeorgeRingo]

In 1968 America lost two great men who had the courage to fight the system.

Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy

40 years later . . . the fight continues . . .

Ron Paul (libertarian)

[kidwave1]

The Leader of the NAACP has already come out and said this is all BS. and they know Ron Paul is NOT racist.

dissentradio(.)com/radio/07_08­_29_linder.mp3

[Z200a]

That is a lie. The NAACP has not said this is a lie. Besides, how would the NAACP know? Why would they vouch for Ron Paul?

More importantly, why are you misrepresenting the NAACP? Are you trying to deceive other people reading this page?

[elfil76]

Nelson Linder has known Ron Paul for 20 years and I am glad he came out to defend Ron Paul on the racism issue. Who is Nelson Linder? President of the Austin NAACP.

[4therepublic]

Ron Paul delivered many thousands of minority children without charge and never lost a one. As a african american I love Ron Paul. Freedom!

[brobidea]

THIS 21ST MARCH FOR FREEDOM!!!

[slaponsam11]

hasn't chris rock made these same comments as paul is reported to have said? i mean, if you are truly colorblind reactions to both individuals should have equal weight.

[imsneakey]

Ron Paul is a good man and a good American. It's stupid to say he hates blacks, or gays i'm gay but so what, i am a person each person to be treated the same. he says it time and time again. they will not catch him out he has never been caught on film saying anything like this, he is the right man for the white house and the controlled media know it... they just dont like it.

[Z200a]

Basically, if you still defend Ron Paul, you are willing to stand next to a racist. If you find what Ron Paul published offensive, you would condemn him. If you don't condemn him, you must be OK with publication of racist hate speech.

[brucevdk]

This reasoning is so absurd and makes me feel sick to my stomach for it is in itself close to exhibiting hatred. Also the fact is there is still a long way to go before the actual truth about the newsletters is revealed, and you are oblivious to this.

[frnnk]

so i'm racist against blacks even when i'm black? i suppose i'm anti vagina, even while i'm banging your mother.

[kevgrim]

go to hell you ignorant moron.

[jake1106]

I guess the same would go since all the other candidates are warmongers and you will vote for them you must be a devil worshiper. Because Jesus condemned the warmongers.

[DCUPtoejuice]

i like how he says BLACKS, like it's a bad word.

[nyomythus]

Thought Police Suck

[DCUPtoejuice]

Matthews has demonstrated time and time again his bird brain sometimes malfunctions.

[suckitjesus2]

We will never know whether or not he wrote it. If he didn't write these articles then the real question is why would he hire racists and homophobes to write under his name?

[dlondon1144]

Get real. When those articles were written, he wasn't even in congress. He was busy delivering babies. He tolk us all on national TV that he wasn't even reading the darned things. It sounded like he had hired an editor who he should not have trusted and, while he took moral responsibility for the material, he repudiated it entirely. Where is the footage of him saying ANYTHING like that garbage? Show me THAT and then you may have something.

[exnavy25]

Make sure that your not just online supporter. GET UP AND TELL SOMEONE ABOUT RON PAUL. GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE. I know there is a money bomb on january 21, but why dont we start now and send as much money as we can. The on the 21 send more and blow these other so called canidates out of the water.

VOTE RON PAUL 2008

[schell939]

These aren't Ron's words. Lets move on now

[verbenarock]

ha, such a lame attempt. hey chris matthews do you still beat your wife... prove it. lol

[bottleslingguy]

Where are Jesse and Al on this? Do they care? I'll bet they're trying to keep it quiet because once the truth comes out everyone will find Dr Paul's position on civil liberties and racial injustice is more pro-civil liberties than any of the other candidates from either side.

[voxesencial]

I always said the man was a bit of a fascist

[dlondon1144]

You are really confused, dude. Do you even know what fascism is?

[voxesencial]

"You are really confused, dude. Do you even know what fascism is?"

well that would take much more than 500 words. But I would say that the fundamental trait of fascism is the conspiratorial mindset. Ron Paul has that.

[dlondon1144]

Wrong on both counts.

Fascism is a political philosophy that exalts nation above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Funny - that doesn't sound like what Dr Paul stands for. Kinda more like G Dubya and his cronies, huh?

[voxesencial]

"Fascism is..."

hmm...quoting from other sources doesn't make you look smarter. why not try making your own analisis? by the way, I never said ron paul was a new mussolini, I said he had some fascistic tendecies, namely a conspiratorial mindset.

[dlondon1144]

Buddy, I would make very sure of your ground before you cross swords with me.

[voxesencial]

"Buddy, I would make very sure of your ground before you cross swords with me"

thats quite a cocky statement there, mate- I don't think it has been justified- especially not when you use other people's words as your own.

[dlondon1144]

Mine was an accurate definition and the fact that I knew the difference and you did not leads me to infer that you couldn't find your ass with both hands and a road map. You want to compare real knowledge - bring it on! Do you know the first thing about US politics or are you just spouting because you feel good when you denegrate people?

[voxesencial]

"the fact that I knew the difference and you did not leads me to infer..."

and what difference would that be?

I just pointed out that, when you analyze something, its useful to think for yourself and use your own words. Or, if you use someone's else's words, you should at the very least acknowledge it. I think thats pretty basic stuff, don't you?

[dlondon1144]

You missed the first step. Assemble your data before you attempt an analysis. Otherwise you are analysing your own imagination, with predictable results. But you go ahead and analyse yourself - probably the best thing for you.

[voxesencial]

When you show someone else's analysis and present it as your own, that's plagiarism, i.e. stealing. So, just for the future- when you're quoting someone else, be sure to reference it. One time can be forgiven, two times hardly.

[dlondon1144]

Okay - my last post to you. 1 - This is not an essay and I am not publishing, so get off your high horse, besides, I quoted from a dictionary - something you didn't even bother to check.

2 - What has this to do with the video?

You can't even stay on topic. I am ignoring you from now on.

[voxesencial]

I've made my point on the topic

[DCUPtoejuice]

that is the stupidest comment I've read all day.

[voxesencial]

coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment

[DCUPtoejuice]

fascism is not what you think it is.

[dlondon1144]

Let's set the record straight: 1 - he didn't write those newsletters; 2 - he covered all thiss off in congress and with his constituents 10 years ago; 3 - the stuff was published early on the day of the NH primary; and 4 - MSM want to shit Dr Paul up very badly.

MK Ghandi: 1st they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!

[dlondon1144]

I meant to say MSM wants to SHUT him up, though the other word seems to work too.

[voxesencial]

the MSM (except fox) is in love with ron paul- what are u talking about?

[DCUPtoejuice]

it's true that the liberal leaning networks are interested in Paul, but Faux News does take it to a different level.

[Telcontar1962]

Not really. They are mightily impressed with the level of funds he's raised. Given the format employed by most networks there's no real chance to seriously interrogate him about his program or thoughts. He has to get complex ideas out in short 2 second answers.

[Telcontar1962]

If you see the way nterviews are conducted the pundits hardly give a second before shrilly interrupting with mosty irrelevant hyperbolic questions.

All in all they are sham nvestigations designed to give the viewer the impression the candidate is a maverick ...or worse a dangerous moron.

[exnavy25]

I'm don't like racism, but my vote is still for ron paul.

[bottleslingguy]

Please watch the cnn video with wolf blitzer who allows Dr Paul to explain the entire matter.

I wonder where Jesse and Al are on this? Do they care? Have you heard Dr Paul say MLK and Rosa Parks stood for what he believes as far as civil disobedience and non-violence.

Do you realize Dr Paul's position is more pro-civil liberties than Barack Obama or Hillary combined?

[exnavy25]

I watched all the vids for him. Jesse and Al are probaly waiting to see if DR Paul get further ahead before they come out and start there shit. Its funny how he was the only one supporting rosa parks for the award, and again faux news spun it saying he was the only one against it

RON PAUL 2008

[dlondon1144]

Let's be fair - he volunteered to help pay for it himself but would not approve PUBLIC funds for it. He knew congress has never had the authority to do want they wanted but he was willing to put his OWN money where his mouth was and leave ours in the treasury. Gee, that sounds pretty racist, huh? (NOT!)

[Telcontar1962]

If successive governments are handing out social security to keep the black populace beholden to what is in effect government patronage instead of offering them real employment opportunity to support themselves how can that been deemed good?

From what I've heard from Ron Paul and as far as I can tell the principle's he's ever voted for or acted upon are to give everyone a fair crack of the whip.

Whether you're black, white or green with purple spots which would you prefer?

[Telcontar1962]

There is a real dilemma with social security altogether which the history of the UK might give some real insights. At the beginning of the 20th century when first introduced it was means tested. This caused alienation across class not racial divides. You can see why because then people then wanted to suport themselves and were ashamed and affronted by the implication of begging to the state.

[voxesencial]

"There is a real dilemma with social security altogether which the history of the UK might give some real insights. At the beginning of the 20th century when first introduced it was means tested. This caused alienation across class not racial divides. You can see why because then people then wanted to suport themselves and were ashamed and affronted by the implication of begging to the state. "

hmm...ever read about 19th century london?

[Telcontar1962]

Read, Studied and had grandparents I talked to a geat deal who lived in it.

[voxesencial]

So are you pinning for that period, where there was no state and where the poor "found their dignity" in the workhouses?

[Telcontar1962]

First there was a very strong state. We had an empire.

Second that empire was of no benefit to the ordinary working classes even though we were the richest country in the world.

Third the workhouse was no place to find dignity but a punishment for failed policies which adversely affected the poor to the advantage of the rich.

Not sure where the pining comes from just shows that control from the centre on either score adversely afects the same section of society.

[voxesencial]

"First there was a very strong state. We had an empire"

hmm... I thought we were talking about what you like to call the "nanny state". I thought that was obvious

"Not sure where the pining comes from just shows that control from the centre on either score adversely afects the same section of society"

what "control of the center"? 19th century london was a complete laissez-faire economy. and the workhouse comment was ironic, I thought that was obvious too

[Telcontar1962]

Hmm...you don;t really seem to have much to say. You said "state". No one who knows the peiod would ever think you meant nanny state the term didn't come into being until the following century.

Next you can't have an empire without strong control from the centre. You also cannot describe London's or more accurately the British Empire's economy as lassaize-faire not in its literal sense.

[Telcontar1962]

As tarrifs and controls abounded.

The empire was run for the advantage of the upper classes without reference the interests of the working classes. Its why there was a rise in in Labour movement throughout the century.

If you have empire you by defintion have control from the centre. Political power was always concentrated in the hands of very few. Its arguable that with the passing of time wether thats been extended too much further 100+ years ater.

[voxesencial]

"The empire was run for the advantage of the upper classes without reference the interests of the working classes. Its why there was a rise in in Labour movement throughout the century. If you have empire you by defintion have control from the centre. Political power was always concentrated in the hands of very few"

well, I don't think we disagree. but through those labour struggles, the nature of state intervention was changed

[Telcontar1962]

I'm sorry but state intervention has been around for as long as there have been states. Thats a good few thousand years now not just from the 19th century.

[voxesencial]

"I'm sorry but state intervention has been around for as long as there have been states. Thats a good few thousand years now not just from the 19th century"

there's a slight difference between the state intervening to tax you out of your livelihood (which, in effect, did exist for thousands of years) and the state intervening to correct certain imbalances- which only started in the 19th century, namely with Otto von Bismarck.

[Telcontar1962]

I don't think we do disagree just a few differences in interpretation of history.

There always has to be state intervention to correct certain inequalities throughout history going way back before Bismarck.

[Telcontar1962]

States always need to modify certain policies towards the benefit of the working/poorer clases in some respects just to keep them docile. Its not a modern political idea.

The only difference in the modern era is its more systematic due to necessity and the greater means at powers disposal.

[Telcontar1962]

As for its nature....undoubtedly particularly after the world wars state intervention was directed upon more egalitarian principles...but as I said above these noble pribciples have been very quickly subverted to the extent that those who championed them would be horrified at the outcomes today if they saw them.

Hardly surprising since those in control (ie business and govn) were the very class of people who were responsible for previous inequalities.

[voxesencial]

hmm...i don't think we disagree so much after all

[voxesencial]

"Hmm...you don;t really seem to have much to say. You said "state".

if we talk about free-market vs. interventionism, then it is quite clear what is meant when you talk about the state.

[Telcontar1962]

Anyway all thats getting away from my original questions to you.

You haven't answered why you believe the use of social security as a method of governemtn patronage is good.

You also haven't answered whether the funding of that patronage through deductions from wages

[voxesencial]

"You haven't answered why you believe the use of social security as a method of governemtn patronage is good"

I don't remember you asking me that, and I don't remember saying that. In fact, Im quite sure I didnt say it. Some forms of social security are beneficial, some aren't- id never just say its "good". Redistribution, for example, doesnt help the economy too much, but it helps social cohesion

[Telcontar1962]

About the questions ...apapologies a few hours passed lost the thread of who I asked it of.

Reistribution being good....To a degree maybe....but its only ever a temporary artificial correction to unfair systems which in the end are controlled by the very forces that create those systems.

As for talking about free-trade vs interventionism. We can't talk about free trade as we have no experience of it in recorded human history.

[Telcontar1962]

CONTD

is more beneficial to people at large over the current centralised systems used by so called "democracies" and if you do why?

[Telcontar1962]

Take that forward to today and social security has had a massively corrosive effect. Governments play on figures moving people from unemployment to disability benefit claimant dependants and there are large section of the population who think such benefits are theirs by right whther they have worked for them or not (an I'm not just speaking about immigrants).

[Telcontar1962]

At the end of the day they are dependants on the state and government rather than people with a degree of self determination. Its a sad state of affairs when a noble intention to help those who need it is perverted by governments to take control of all our money to subsidise dependancy on the status quo.

[junkwatcher2]

Considering all of this has come of MSM and after the SC debate where Dr Pauls answer was edited out on reruns is bogus and fascist. Powers up want the people poor is all I can think.

[Telcontar1962]

There was much to agree with on shows like Olbermanns special comment peices in regard to the goings on in the Whitehouse. But I have to agree seeing the MSNBC primary elections output I see little difference between MSNBC and Fox.

Its a seriously disturbing affair. One thing is for sure the US does not have anything like a functioning democracy.

[Yourdeadmeat69]

I think we need a skinhead newsletter with Chris as sponsor. There's nothing like wholesale slander felt and experienced to set your tone differently. Look at Glenn Beck, butt surgeon victim, who treated badly at hospital, suddenly becomes a humanitarian pushing health care!

Hey, Chris, walk in the shoes of the maligned. You'd be surprised.

[bwilson32]

Chris...ummm....you said his name was "stamped on those newsletters". He didn't sign them. And what was said in those newsletters simply doesn't match up with mountains of other writings, speeches, behavior and such that has come from Ron Paul. He's a doctor for God's sake that has delivered 4,000 babies and has given health care to those of all colors for free who could not afford to pay for health. Why don't you report this!

[dlondon1144]

Chris - you also called him "Libertarian Ron Paul." He's a Republican. Has been for quite a while. How amny other half-truths do you reckon you can slide in there.

Just remember that the devil will use a gallon of truth to hide a drop of poison.

Chris, you're pretty poisonous.

[Telcontar1962]

Agreed. Any self-respecting news organisation would either tell CM to quit the Obama cheerleading or sack him altogther.

He fronts a news-cum-politcal debate proggram. If he had one ounce of journalistic integrity he would openly admit he is seriously failing in his job.

The reason he gets away with it is it occurs everywhere on every "news show". None of it is informative its out and out bias.

[ElectricPineapple79]

And you a big phony Chris.

[europarl]

perhaps it will backfire in their face: more people are googling ron paul than ever before - and those who seek, find

[RationalLiberty]

isnt it funny how the media focuses on Ron Paul when it comes to demeaning him and not when he brings up issues like the Fed and our foreign policy?

I guess they only know how to cause unrest and not report FACTS

[Snicker75]

Looks like your still putting "shit" on Chris...

[jake1106]

Even if he wrote the articles I will still vote for him. Sometimes honesty is more important than being politically correct. This is one of those times in our country. Besides who else do we have to vote for?

[tesla921]

Damn good point. Couldn't have said it better myself.