I'm 34 but began my current career at 32, so for me to think I'll ever pass the point of emergence would be fatalist. I strive to produce new and different work, like my recent stop-motion video, "intro-duck-tion," but I'll always let the audience decide whether what I make is or isnt art.
I'm over 40. Fact is, things are different in the younger generation. Younger people are also more prone to be energetic and take risks. Generations are different. People are different. Differences are invigorating. I'm all for seeing what the under 33 come up with. It's not as if I can't find the over 33 somewhere else; they have something to say, too. Just not right here right now. :)
It has nothing to do with being politically correct. It has to do with the lack of focus and support for those over 35. That's it! SImple. Keep having shows for the young artists-- it's great, no problem with that. Maybe the "ageism" comment from days ago is a knee jerk reaction to un-original curration. Forty over 40? You've inspired me to do this myself. Look for that show at your local Senior Center! OLD IN '09!!!!
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Also, people under 33 have wholly new elements of language, created by their generation, that have traveled up the age ladder to common usage (eg. WTF, OMG, BRB...). We've grown up with MTV, the accelerated growth of technology, and social and economic globalization. We're more optimistic than the Gen Xers before us. Of course the post-Millenials/9-11/internet-for-granted generation will have an entirely different take on things...
Some of the most amazing art I have seen recently was by an artist who had never done any visual art until taking a graphic novel illustration class, and his stuff was AMAZING. But for a 39 year old guy with no ties to the art world, what are the chances for HIM to have exposure? Hopefully this dialogue will worm its way into the ears of gallery currators and they will come up with something more original than a "40 under 40" or younger than jesus, or whatnot.
I think the chances for him are the same as the chances for anybody else.. maybe not for this particular show, but for something. Jenny Holtzer, though she emerged at 27, is 59 this year that she's having the big Whitney show. There's a large aging population with the baby boomers starting to retire, and things like
"Cougars" (as a concept) are getting mass recognition. I suggest telling your friend to bring some of his work to galleries that are in a similar vein, and best of luck!
That's very valid, I totally understand it, appreciate the point of view. My issue is this: Rarely if ever are there shows that focus on artists-- perhaps even EMERGING at this point in their lives-- over the age of 40 or 50. We are living longer, and due to the availability of resources/technology, more and more people of "a certain age" are embarking on the "second chapter" of their lives exploring the creative arts.
Yes, there are thousands of people who were employed as graphic artists (to earn a living) and later moved into fine arts after the age of 40, an entire bracket of people skipped over or negated in favor of the under-30 "NEW" artists simply because of their age and the appeal of fresh young faces. Youth sells, for some odd reason, while true experience and talent gets relegated to some dark shelf. Ah, culture.
It's more of a generational bracket, and it definitely shows what the concerns are of the generation. Try thinking about it in terms of, for example, how the civil rights or gay rights movement affected people 40 years (two generations) ago, and how different/similar but transformed those sentiments are now.
People making art in the nuclear age after WWII, or in the celebration of irrationality during WWI were on a wholly different kick than their artistic forebears.
I'm 34 but began my current career at 32, so for me to think I'll ever pass the point of emergence would be fatalist. I strive to produce new and different work, like my recent stop-motion video, "intro-duck-tion," but I'll always let the audience decide whether what I make is or isnt art.
JamesBurgerPhoto 2 years ago
I'm over 40. Fact is, things are different in the younger generation. Younger people are also more prone to be energetic and take risks. Generations are different. People are different. Differences are invigorating. I'm all for seeing what the under 33 come up with. It's not as if I can't find the over 33 somewhere else; they have something to say, too. Just not right here right now. :)
keithwdc 2 years ago
It has nothing to do with being politically correct. It has to do with the lack of focus and support for those over 35. That's it! SImple. Keep having shows for the young artists-- it's great, no problem with that. Maybe the "ageism" comment from days ago is a knee jerk reaction to un-original curration. Forty over 40? You've inspired me to do this myself. Look for that show at your local Senior Center! OLD IN '09!!!!
lizzyyo666 2 years ago
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namsdmwsd 2 years ago
... so maybe twenty years later there could be a Younger Than Richard Brautigan (44) or Younger Than Moses (120) show at the still-New Museum.
So I don't think this show qualifies as ageist at all.
Just like a show celebrating female artists or black artists, or even say, anglo-saxon artists isn't necessarily sexist or racist.
Try not to let your urge for political correctness fog the realities that are present.
alternateash 2 years ago
Also, people under 33 have wholly new elements of language, created by their generation, that have traveled up the age ladder to common usage (eg. WTF, OMG, BRB...). We've grown up with MTV, the accelerated growth of technology, and social and economic globalization. We're more optimistic than the Gen Xers before us. Of course the post-Millenials/9-11/internet-for-granted generation will have an entirely different take on things...
alternateash 2 years ago
Not hating, just statin'! Thanks for the opportunity to speak on it. . .
lizzyyo666 2 years ago
Some of the most amazing art I have seen recently was by an artist who had never done any visual art until taking a graphic novel illustration class, and his stuff was AMAZING. But for a 39 year old guy with no ties to the art world, what are the chances for HIM to have exposure? Hopefully this dialogue will worm its way into the ears of gallery currators and they will come up with something more original than a "40 under 40" or younger than jesus, or whatnot.
lizzyyo666 2 years ago
I think the chances for him are the same as the chances for anybody else.. maybe not for this particular show, but for something. Jenny Holtzer, though she emerged at 27, is 59 this year that she's having the big Whitney show. There's a large aging population with the baby boomers starting to retire, and things like
"Cougars" (as a concept) are getting mass recognition. I suggest telling your friend to bring some of his work to galleries that are in a similar vein, and best of luck!
alternateash 2 years ago
That's very valid, I totally understand it, appreciate the point of view. My issue is this: Rarely if ever are there shows that focus on artists-- perhaps even EMERGING at this point in their lives-- over the age of 40 or 50. We are living longer, and due to the availability of resources/technology, more and more people of "a certain age" are embarking on the "second chapter" of their lives exploring the creative arts.
lizzyyo666 2 years ago
Yes, there are thousands of people who were employed as graphic artists (to earn a living) and later moved into fine arts after the age of 40, an entire bracket of people skipped over or negated in favor of the under-30 "NEW" artists simply because of their age and the appeal of fresh young faces. Youth sells, for some odd reason, while true experience and talent gets relegated to some dark shelf. Ah, culture.
artistkeith3 2 years ago
All under 33? Where do you come up with that?
AGEISM
lizzyyo666 2 years ago
It's more of a generational bracket, and it definitely shows what the concerns are of the generation. Try thinking about it in terms of, for example, how the civil rights or gay rights movement affected people 40 years (two generations) ago, and how different/similar but transformed those sentiments are now.
People making art in the nuclear age after WWII, or in the celebration of irrationality during WWI were on a wholly different kick than their artistic forebears.
alternateash 2 years ago