PBody Brawl tournament R1 - J666 vs. Altoid

[animefreak17657]

j666 needs to use less spin and zair. those atks are highly punishable if missed, especially the spin which almost never hits

[Garethaxz]

did u just say link's z air is highly punishable if missed? you know if u hole Z u sheild as soon as u hit the ground n u can even dodge right? i just cant beleive this is a tournament... Must've been pretty early on.

[animefreak17657]

idk the the z air and sheild when you hit ground only works on melee doesnt it tho? or is it brawl too?

[Garethaxz]

nah its brawl too, its actually better in brawl it can do a double hit. I dnno ever since watching linkaggeddon im just not impressed by much anymore in the form of Links and my freind plays a better lucario, but eh they probably got better by now, i would be surprised if they were a hell of a lot better than me now.

[ssbmJ666]

era la primera ves ke juge este juego en este video...era la version japones

[AibanSama]

i like link better in brawl. his Dair is hell bringer if done right. thanks to it being real slow compred to TL

[groundsgold]

Sad to see Link go down like that. He could have won :(

Link will always be my ♥

no matter how predictable Lucarios rolls are. ♥

[nahor88]

cont.

his bombs are more powerful. Overall he's faster than before, and his nair does more damage and is still high priority. His charged spin attack is useful for punishing opponents mistakes. Combine all that with the fact that comboing is hard in Brawl, so Link doesn't get juggled so much now by characters like Sheik and Falco. So overall, he's considerably better, I expect at least high middle tier.  And after all that you still don't like Link, there's Toon Link whos even better.

[speedy1234429]

but the only bad thing is that in melee links up b attack in mid-air went higher and hit more(not more damage just hit more times) i normally use the up b in mid air but this one too short in a jump so im happy they got toon link :)

[nahor88]

Well, if that works for you thats fine, but I personally try to avoid using up-B in mid-air unless its surefire, cuz the landing lag is quite punishable, for big link at least. Toon Link overall has a lot less lag.

[speedy1234429]

true true but toon links up b in mid-air can like um...ok u no when u hit the person up really high but dont die?well use 2 jumps and toon links up b and u have a 60%chance of hitting 40% of your oppenent dieing and 10%of u dieind(unless the other guy hits u then u just been fucked up...)

[nahor88]

thats why the best case to use it is at the end of a short combo (most combos in brawl are very short to begin with). Same can go for big Link.

[nahor88]

I greatly disagree. Yes, there's no L-cancel, but you're not supposed to use his dair that much in the first place. And his shdair is actually an even better take out move now. He's actually overall stronger now, I dunno why you say weaker. His up-smash is now non-DI-able. His clawshot only hits ledges, but its great for a quick recovery over short distance. Plus his up-B has greater recovery range, and is still a good utility attack. On top of that, his boomerang has more hit stun, and..

[vinieD]

Gotta say that tiers still apply. Some characters got a nice upgrade due to the jacked up priorities (compared to how they used to be). Game and watch has fairly high priority so he's not bad. Some characters have disappointingly low priority though. Thanks, Nintendo. :p

[messyguy1332]

I can't say too much for G&W, but Bowser got some major upgrades. He still won't be as good as Fox and Marth were in Melee, but he's more usable now!

[nickthepirate213]

G-Dorf was actually mid tiered.

[EggDestroyer]

No, you just can't say Bowser and G&W still suck. Both of them have been really improved, especially Bowser with his improved speed and his new great Side-B attack.

[hatebush1234]

one hell of a fight!gj to both ppl

[d3adringers]

This game has characters that are east to use and characters that are harder to use. Speaking of a teir list those are judged purley on tournement win percentages i guarentee that you want see the same character winning tournements like you did in melee....

[caplilslash]

liiiiiiiiiink nooooo! why?!!!

[Nintemagic]

ever heard of character balancing? yoshi and ganon were improved, jigs was nerfed slightly

in brawl the % to kill is much higher, every att in the game was nerfed

[wartide]

I'm enjoying the wide variety of characters that people are using in this tournament. Instead of Melee where most everyone used Marth and Fox.

[Sturminator10]

what a great ending

[mlitrus]

what a fun match! though i will admit that lucario's projectile use was not very intellectual...

[LinkPS]

Lucario's Down Air as of now feels like the BEST (and only in my opinion) true counter to shield-grabbing (which is 100x better in Brawl than it was in Melee, considering lag-time from attacks and no shield-stun) in Brawl..

His rolling is pretty sick as well.. Lucario will definitely be top tier in my opinion, a good projectile, a good counter, stronger when damaged and great smashes.. (and I'm not just saying this cause he won)

[Nintemagic]

brawl doesnt have tiers like melees, smashboards pretty much agrees that top/bottom tiers dont exist in brawl, maybe this for tiers ^_^?:

1. better

2. good

3. not so bad

its uber balanced, trust me even char like ness/pika/ganon/G&W/kirby/bows­er plus the other low tier were buffed for brawl, the high tier in melee were also nerfed!

[arturogrozo]

Lucario is faster than mewtwo

Only 9 days

[Nintemagic]

hes also nothing LIKE mewtwo other than the energy blast

[GeminiVICE]

Comments like that make me wish Nintendo would have just buffed Mewtwo and hadn't cut him. Even though I didn't use him that much in Melee, there's one thing I can say about Mewtwo: he wasn't a clone from anyone else.

If you ask me, faster isn't always better.

[Hesus911]

that was an amazing battle with an amazing finish, i cant believe altoid nailed that aura sphere

[BetaRover]

epic battle :)

Thats all im gonna say

[ZeroillusionX]

good match, though i want link to win, anyway brawl just started so people can only relay on there reflec's and skill rather than advance tecniques like melee did anyway i look forward to challenguing guys

[xxbluejay21]

does brawl have L cancelling and shuffl?

[Nintemagic]

no, that made melee unbalanced they crapped it

[LinkPS]

No.. Short hop and Fast Falling are still in, but the lag-cancel not (which was what really allowed you to link attacks without having to wait)..

No wavedashing as well..

ps.: by the way it's ridiculous how people thumbs-down these kind of questions, as if everyone had the obligation to know if they removed this stuff..

[xxbluejay21]

i totally agree with u

and thanks for the info

:P

[fortressfire]

link's aerials are really dangerous now that he can't L cancel. i think toon link might be better.

[Nintemagic]

there IS no best, brawl is NOT melee

brawl is 100% balanced

[kingjinga]

I don't know about 100%, but it is more balanced than melee by far.

[mlitrus]

100%?

i wouldn't be so quick to judge since the release was so recent.

when i was using ike and my noob friend was using pit... i know this game is unbalanced

[nahor88]

Does Link's shield naturally block Lucario's energy ball when he stands still? I couldn't help but notice that J666 was only shielding or airdodging to avoid it.

[ucasami]

Yeah when link stands perfectly still he will block projectiles with his shield so long as he's also facing them

[Firefoxx200]

Is it me, or do bombs seem like the new turnips?

[Slickdc333]

I was cheering for Lucario the whole time! These are the kind of matches I want to see on Spectator mode. They keep you on the edge of you seat 'till the last second!

[SubakuGaara25]

good job link that was great ya i agree with some of the other ppl i use the projectiles alot too just not as efficiently as that guy ia hve nothing to say but good job...... that and i cant wait to play as lucario the ending was good

[2Digitalism]

Has anyone ever played someone with the username "Altoid" on DbzBt3's Wifi? Well I would like to point out that he disconnects when he loses. I hope it's not the same person...

Anyways great match, I can't wait for this game.

[ChuChu44]

ive been watchin this whole tourny...and so far i think this match was the most intense

[ssbmJ666]

caaaalm down i was still testing out the game

[dabestbrawler]

im not telling u wat 2 do or anything but u should calm down wit da bombs u use them a lil too much but besides dat ur pretty good

[BloodLegaZ]

well in melee link main source of damage was the bombs and arrows...i spam them too lol. keep doing just like u are J666 and u will be pro...-er...your still getting use the the mechanics of the game, it will be just like melee soon u will be able to tell where they will be at a half-second before they get there. link got a lot better in this game and actually seeing someone good play him has helped me out a lot. gg guys keep it up. and to the lucario dude, alsome job, best lucario i have seen.

[SubakuGaara25]

ya link was a beast wit the bombs on dat movie

[ajax098]

projectiles take up 3/4s of links special moves, why wouldnt you have a boomerang in the air and a bomb in hand whenever possible? besides the bombs look far more destructive in this game. nice ^^

[Cloud9fortified]

no l-cancel?? ILL

good match though :)

[Yayuhzz]

Shut up scrub.

[LightningrodC]

This deserves a thumbs down.

[B4NSHI]

THANKS

[PSPanime]

the last stock took forever and NO how could you lose link?

[B4NSHI]

how do you have it on stock WITH the time limit? it wont let me do both when i try, is this wifi exclusive?

[SlashTheSinHedgie]

Exactly Like You can no longer WaveDash or L-canel so watch your mouth and look up facts before judging people

[happybois]

he's right i can watch from the footage that these guys do suck. its almost blatantly obvious they're missing out on endless combos. they're relying on basic moves and predictable counters, i haven't played the game either

[kzone92]

happybois, you, my dear sir, are an idiot.

[ShadowxBlast]

amen brother

[Bizzozeron]

the Altoid has to do more jumping~There were so many chances for a forward air hit~

[hahahahhaahhahhahaha]

Aww Link was so close good match though ^_^

[SuLLyZorZ]

classic gamecube controller im sure

[anonymous732]

Unimpressive match. Both of these guys had very predictable fighting styles and neither demonstrated very much skill. I can forgive it though, what with the game only being out for maybe a week but in a Melee match neither of them would last very long.

[jellis0032]

ya but you cant use all the same melee tactics in brawl saying that they are bad melee players is ignorant, especially with a new character

[gundamxzero3]

that was a close match!

[Piskox]

I agree in a way with the smash ball but items are not good for tournament like matches

[picky1]

Lucario seems to be a good character, but its user seems to be always spamming the same attacks XD

[whitegangter]

Lucario pwns.

[DRaGZ141]

Poor Link, he really needs his L-Cancelling.

[Piskox]

i think he did an awesome job withouth it

[gundamxzero3]

ya link dosent need it that bad but comeone you know it would help.

[FireWindDarkness]

Very awesome match.

[JaxTH]

Pretty epic fight.

[LightningrodC]

Looks boring without items.

[KingdomHalo]

Just like your mom and her hair

[feod2003]

close, good match

[donaldo89]

intense match. its a shame that i tend to see alot of Lucario haters, especially since months before he was announced people are petitioning and hoping for him to be in brawl

[Patriot20111]

Good fight, but it was a good fight with average fighters. Considering this game just came out in JPN, i'll give these guys a break.

[Phanima]

Bloody hell...that match wasn't the most technical, but it was probably one of the closest and most fun matches I've ever watched. Awesome.

[SlashTheSinHedgie]

ignoranceistheenemy saying lucario is lame by running would be like me saying (which i wouldn't) Link stop using those bombs! makes you look like a pussy! Yea so stop crying please just cause link lost. I like link too! i'm saying that this was a great match! Who else agrees with me?

[PlatinumVad]

Lol, love the irony of your username.

Opinion =/= Fact, BITCH!!!

[SlashTheSinHedgie]

FUCK! this battle was INTENSE! I was on the edge of my seat the last minute! Lucario Pwns! and fuck u people who say running his lame, you do what you have to too survive! Get used to it, there are characters that are better at charging in and other characters are good if attack and fall back. Lucario kicks ass! and no link isn't lame. this was a great match!

[Milespierre]

Lucario needs to stop running. Thats was pretty lame.

[flashfoward88]

Some characters gotta stratagize to win over people that are able to just use str8 attacking. Lucario def looks like a character that needs space between him and his enemy to win compared to characters like falco.

[PeterMcGuf]

Down to the wire!

[Cooper736]

As someone who whole-heartedly plans on maining Lucario, I have to say I'm somewhat disappointed in the player's performance. There was far too little running, and he didn't take any advantage of the times when Link tried to grab and fail. I saw some good combos, but it was still just an average performance. As I've heard from other videos, "just because you win doesn't mean you're good." But then that's just my take.

[adrianlz]

yeah