house slave who is nothing but a fake. he is ashame of what he is and what he has done. the true hooks that are in the mouths of the masses are hooks and chains from the first to sell out and bend over and spread there ass for there master i have had the Pleasure to meet and debate with this sell out.wake up educate and unschool your self and it will be very clear. these sell outs are the real enemy the real self hating house slaves who are putting chains on the masses.
Mos Def you the truth, a nigga dont gotta know all the amendments to stress a matter, just like he said its freedom of speech but it depends whos speaking! makes sense..so magichatrick dont lose faith on a man speaking for all of us..
Mos Def is incredibly intelligent. One love. It's irrelevant that he didn't know precisely what amendment number is associated with the freedom of speech.
oh fuck you, afrohispanic, you passive-aggressive moron. you posted a dumb comment and i responded to it. and now you're acting like you're above this whole argument when really you just can't think of anything legitimate to say (after a week). just because i disagree with you doesn't mean i'm ignorant. you should stop being such a dickhead.
and the last thing im gonna say is that a lot of the negative stuff pac wrote is sort of approved of by mos def. mos def has a song what's beef or beef, and he says its not when rappers battle, but its when people kill each other/etc.--basically bigger problems. well, yeah pac and biggie were battling, but they were battling because pac thought biggie tried to have him murdered. i'm not saying that i believe biggie did, but if pac did, that's reason enough for him to have been so pissed.
that's some negative shit. and in just about every song he talks about how he's the greatest mc, so to say that he's above the kind of rap that pac and biggie did is not legit--he may focus more on political messages/etc, but he's still just as concerned with his own image.
there were a lot of different kinds of tupac songs--he did have negative hateful things, but he also had a lot of positive stuff. listen to things like never call you bitch again, or changes, or ghetto gospel. sure, mos likes to say he's above all the negativity in rap, and only does activist lyrics, but that's not true. listen to close edge, him talking about how "I'm like the second plane that made the tower's face off
That shit that let you know it's really not a game dawg"
messages in his music too. but the man had a hard life. you can't be serious if you say that he didn't have a hard life. and to compare him to steve urkle--come on. tupac was constantly in trouble with the law--some of it probably his own fault, but a lot of it also probably due to racism.
hahahahaha probably due to racism? its funny how you can throw than explanation in and it all of a sudden makes sense now and thats that!!!!! you are fucking retarded
and as for when you say this: "For argument sake lets say Pacs Thug Life concept was everything you described, you know damn well that all of these little wanna be thugs who worship the ghost of Tupac, and walk around pretending to be baby Tupacs are not following the acronym, they are following the thug life image!" how can you blame pac for people misunderstanding him? there are stupid people in the world. but that's not pac's fault. sure, i'll grant you that pac had a lot of negative
n oppressive background or a disadvantaged place. its like how black people use the word 'nigga'--it used to be a word only racists used to oppress black people, but now, black people have sort of taken back the term as a means for expressing solidarity. tupac was using thug to express pride because he came from a poor background, and had opportunities withheld from him, but still made something of himself. thug life is really something optimistic for the black community.
alright, afro, calm down. i'm not trying to get into a huge argument over this. but you're going a little too far. i mean no disrespect, but you should do a little more research before posting these comments. pac didn't have 5 million explanations for thug life--there was only one. he formed a group called thug life based on the acronym i mentioned earlier. but he wasn't glorifying criminals. he was trying to change the definition of thug from an illegal to just someone who came from a
Mos is nothing like Tupac, and to compare him to Pac is to insult Mos Def.First unlike Tupac, Mos is a real M.C.. Unlike Tupac, Mos Def is not inspiring kids to follow some garbage self destructive "Thug Life" manifesto. Finally unlike Tupac, Mos Def is a genuine cat..Tupac was a fraud!
ok, whoever you are, afro, you're a complete idiot. thug life wasn't a manifesto of self destruction which tupac urged kids to follow. he wasn't saying that it was a good thing. it was an acronym which stood for the hate u give little infants fucks everyone, and it was a comment on the depressing state of affairs in tupac's time--because of the hate which was always present, black people turned into poor people and criminals, and that is what a thug was. tupac was saying that we need to
change the world so that black people don't turn out to be so disadvantaged. the fact that he used to say thug life with pride was, i think, more of a fuck you to the people (white racists in power) who forced him into a thug life, to show that even though he's oppressed, he won't stay in the sidelines. so don't go saying some bullshit about tupac when you don't know what you're talking about. and second of all, mos def is good, but he's not as good as pac was. pac was a real mc.
Tupac had 5 million explanations for the thug life moniker, each tailored to whatever audience he was addressing, which was convenient given that it was all a façade, to mask the fact that he was not built that way, Pac was as much a thug as Steve Urkle (Jahlil White); MC Hammer has more street credibility than Pac ever truly had.
For argument sake lets say Pacs Thug Life concept was everything you described, you know damn well that all of these little wanna be thugs who worship the ghost of Tupac, and walk around pretending to be baby Tupacs are not following the acronym, they are following the thug life image!
now stevesp101, mos and pac fight for the same struggle. Separating them and pitting them against one another is a ploy of the enemy. DON'T FALL INTO IT, BOTH OF YOU!!!!!! YOU TOO AFROHISPANIC7!!!!! Don't give them the satisfaction. P.E.A.C.E.
no i take that last part back, my personal opinion is that pac was better than mos, but mos is very good, and i can see if someone wants to say they're at least equal.
I would approach this debate with respect if you would have had sense enough to have responded to my comment with respect, but since you did not I will respond accordingly.
First you clown not a single thing you said is new information to me,my comment was not based on ignorance! The unoriginal acronym you describe, was part of his well crafted marketing campaign, it appealed to the ignorant wanna be thugs, and it appeal to the black power psuedo-intellectuals; at the end of the day Tupac marketed and promoted his wreckless thug life mentality as just that, being a thug; so much so that he took on the persona.
Now lets focus on the man lyrically, lyrically Pac doesnt belong in the same building with Mos. Pac at no point in his career displayed the lyrical dexterity and multi-layered rhyme schemes that Mos can display when he is not even trying, let alone when MOS is in full creative mode. Just because MTV, Michael Eric Dyson, and all of the other Tupac propaganda peddlers keep promoting the Tupac was great idea, doesnt make it so. Tupac was average at best!
IF YOU LOVE REAL HIP-HOP IN ANYWAY AFRO, YOU NEED TO INCREASE YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF TUPAC. T.he H.ate U. Gave L.ittle I.nfants F.ucks E.verybody. That's the so-called "thug life" manifesto u were talking on. That stood for something. I even understand that one. Pac was speaking for US, Pac was speaking for poor people of all nationalities. He had a aggressive message, but he wasn't unfocused.
His remarks were sincere, not rhetorical, in my view as the one who was near him when he spoke. Rhetorical remarks tend to be scripted and contrived, not contemplatively contrived as he spoke in thought mode, not I got to say this this way or that way.
I'm obviously a Ron Paul supporter and I am not a conspiracist or anything. I can speak from rational experience that Ron Paul has gotten 0 coverage. The mass media is not a willing to express views contrary to the status quo because that puts them in jeoprady of losing their mainstream followers. Censorship is inherently bred into our society from a gathering of very strong groups that coelesce around our government. At least keep your eyes open for this to be happening.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Ron Paul gets smeared by the media talking about a white suppremesist who donated and I don't even know how else people get that idea. I've read an essay by Ron Paul on the evils of racism and about how he doesn't support the notion of hate crimes because he sees everybody as equal individuals. You can tell that Paul isn't a racist just by hearing him. He doesn't do the usual politician slide away from questions but answers them truthfully, He's no racist.
Unfortunately, that's false. The only criticism that creeps into the mainstream, agenda setting media is the kind of criticism power is willing to deal with, doves disagreeing with hawks and so on.
Note that despite the most comprehensive election coverage in the history of the nation, not a mutter is to be heard about the inherently undemocratic nature of the electoral college system.
At the very heart of our nation stands the thought of liberty. This was the original foundation of America, and although I don't disagree with you that absolute lunatical corruption has occured since our founding, that corruption was not what Mos Def was talking about in the interview. He said that America was forged because of resistance to those colonial powers. It is true. Read our Constitution and discover how few of these corrupt actions we have taken are legal by our own rules.
house slave who is nothing but a fake. he is ashame of what he is and what he has done. the true hooks that are in the mouths of the masses are hooks and chains from the first to sell out and bend over and spread there ass for there master i have had the Pleasure to meet and debate with this sell out.wake up educate and unschool your self and it will be very clear. these sell outs are the real enemy the real self hating house slaves who are putting chains on the masses.
reza4 1 year ago
Mos Def you the truth, a nigga dont gotta know all the amendments to stress a matter, just like he said its freedom of speech but it depends whos speaking! makes sense..so magichatrick dont lose faith on a man speaking for all of us..
JahadEmYr 2 years ago
Mos Def is incredibly intelligent. One love. It's irrelevant that he didn't know precisely what amendment number is associated with the freedom of speech.
34Illmatic 2 years ago 4
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i love mos def... but he doesnt know the first amendment?
thats reason hes able to have accomplished what he has. thisvideo made me lose a bit of respect for him.
if ur gonna argue something know the basics at least.
magichatrick 2 years ago
i think he's high...
mowmow445 2 years ago
i agree. hes damn nice..........
almichelle83 2 years ago
i think hes sexy. who here agrees with me?
deedija 2 years ago 28
mos def
Sunnydaleexile06 2 years ago 7
Mm got to agree :)
blackstarSUfan 2 years ago 5
oh fuck you, afrohispanic, you passive-aggressive moron. you posted a dumb comment and i responded to it. and now you're acting like you're above this whole argument when really you just can't think of anything legitimate to say (after a week). just because i disagree with you doesn't mean i'm ignorant. you should stop being such a dickhead.
stevesp101 3 years ago 2
and the last thing im gonna say is that a lot of the negative stuff pac wrote is sort of approved of by mos def. mos def has a song what's beef or beef, and he says its not when rappers battle, but its when people kill each other/etc.--basically bigger problems. well, yeah pac and biggie were battling, but they were battling because pac thought biggie tried to have him murdered. i'm not saying that i believe biggie did, but if pac did, that's reason enough for him to have been so pissed.
stevesp101 3 years ago
Not even going to touch this ignorance!
AFROHISPANIC7 3 years ago
that's some negative shit. and in just about every song he talks about how he's the greatest mc, so to say that he's above the kind of rap that pac and biggie did is not legit--he may focus more on political messages/etc, but he's still just as concerned with his own image.
stevesp101 3 years ago
there were a lot of different kinds of tupac songs--he did have negative hateful things, but he also had a lot of positive stuff. listen to things like never call you bitch again, or changes, or ghetto gospel. sure, mos likes to say he's above all the negativity in rap, and only does activist lyrics, but that's not true. listen to close edge, him talking about how "I'm like the second plane that made the tower's face off
That shit that let you know it's really not a game dawg"
stevesp101 3 years ago
messages in his music too. but the man had a hard life. you can't be serious if you say that he didn't have a hard life. and to compare him to steve urkle--come on. tupac was constantly in trouble with the law--some of it probably his own fault, but a lot of it also probably due to racism.
stevesp101 3 years ago
hahahahaha probably due to racism? its funny how you can throw than explanation in and it all of a sudden makes sense now and thats that!!!!! you are fucking retarded
Cincinnatianer 2 years ago
and as for when you say this: "For argument sake lets say Pacs Thug Life concept was everything you described, you know damn well that all of these little wanna be thugs who worship the ghost of Tupac, and walk around pretending to be baby Tupacs are not following the acronym, they are following the thug life image!" how can you blame pac for people misunderstanding him? there are stupid people in the world. but that's not pac's fault. sure, i'll grant you that pac had a lot of negative
stevesp101 3 years ago
n oppressive background or a disadvantaged place. its like how black people use the word 'nigga'--it used to be a word only racists used to oppress black people, but now, black people have sort of taken back the term as a means for expressing solidarity. tupac was using thug to express pride because he came from a poor background, and had opportunities withheld from him, but still made something of himself. thug life is really something optimistic for the black community.
stevesp101 3 years ago
alright, afro, calm down. i'm not trying to get into a huge argument over this. but you're going a little too far. i mean no disrespect, but you should do a little more research before posting these comments. pac didn't have 5 million explanations for thug life--there was only one. he formed a group called thug life based on the acronym i mentioned earlier. but he wasn't glorifying criminals. he was trying to change the definition of thug from an illegal to just someone who came from a
stevesp101 3 years ago
mos def is very intelligent, reminds me of 2pac in so many ways its not funny
Kronix777 3 years ago
He reminds me nothing of Pac.
LooChenko 3 years ago
Mos is nothing like Tupac, and to compare him to Pac is to insult Mos Def.First unlike Tupac, Mos is a real M.C.. Unlike Tupac, Mos Def is not inspiring kids to follow some garbage self destructive "Thug Life" manifesto. Finally unlike Tupac, Mos Def is a genuine cat..Tupac was a fraud!
AFROHISPANIC7 3 years ago
ok, whoever you are, afro, you're a complete idiot. thug life wasn't a manifesto of self destruction which tupac urged kids to follow. he wasn't saying that it was a good thing. it was an acronym which stood for the hate u give little infants fucks everyone, and it was a comment on the depressing state of affairs in tupac's time--because of the hate which was always present, black people turned into poor people and criminals, and that is what a thug was. tupac was saying that we need to
stevesp101 3 years ago
stevesp101, u were ALL THE WAY on point.
agent2020 2 years ago
change the world so that black people don't turn out to be so disadvantaged. the fact that he used to say thug life with pride was, i think, more of a fuck you to the people (white racists in power) who forced him into a thug life, to show that even though he's oppressed, he won't stay in the sidelines. so don't go saying some bullshit about tupac when you don't know what you're talking about. and second of all, mos def is good, but he's not as good as pac was. pac was a real mc.
stevesp101 3 years ago
Tupac had 5 million explanations for the thug life moniker, each tailored to whatever audience he was addressing, which was convenient given that it was all a façade, to mask the fact that he was not built that way, Pac was as much a thug as Steve Urkle (Jahlil White); MC Hammer has more street credibility than Pac ever truly had.
AFROHISPANIC7 3 years ago
For argument sake lets say Pacs Thug Life concept was everything you described, you know damn well that all of these little wanna be thugs who worship the ghost of Tupac, and walk around pretending to be baby Tupacs are not following the acronym, they are following the thug life image!
AFROHISPANIC7 3 years ago
WE BOTH KNOW THAT IS NOT THE POINT!!!!!
agent2020 2 years ago
now stevesp101, mos and pac fight for the same struggle. Separating them and pitting them against one another is a ploy of the enemy. DON'T FALL INTO IT, BOTH OF YOU!!!!!! YOU TOO AFROHISPANIC7!!!!! Don't give them the satisfaction. P.E.A.C.E.
agent2020 2 years ago
no i take that last part back, my personal opinion is that pac was better than mos, but mos is very good, and i can see if someone wants to say they're at least equal.
stevesp101 3 years ago
I would approach this debate with respect if you would have had sense enough to have responded to my comment with respect, but since you did not I will respond accordingly.
AFROHISPANIC7 3 years ago
First you clown not a single thing you said is new information to me,my comment was not based on ignorance! The unoriginal acronym you describe, was part of his well crafted marketing campaign, it appealed to the ignorant wanna be thugs, and it appeal to the black power psuedo-intellectuals; at the end of the day Tupac marketed and promoted his wreckless thug life mentality as just that, being a thug; so much so that he took on the persona.
AFROHISPANIC7 3 years ago
Now lets focus on the man lyrically, lyrically Pac doesnt belong in the same building with Mos. Pac at no point in his career displayed the lyrical dexterity and multi-layered rhyme schemes that Mos can display when he is not even trying, let alone when MOS is in full creative mode. Just because MTV, Michael Eric Dyson, and all of the other Tupac propaganda peddlers keep promoting the Tupac was great idea, doesnt make it so. Tupac was average at best!
AFROHISPANIC7 3 years ago
IF YOU LOVE REAL HIP-HOP IN ANYWAY AFRO, YOU NEED TO INCREASE YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF TUPAC. T.he H.ate U. Gave L.ittle I.nfants F.ucks E.verybody. That's the so-called "thug life" manifesto u were talking on. That stood for something. I even understand that one. Pac was speaking for US, Pac was speaking for poor people of all nationalities. He had a aggressive message, but he wasn't unfocused.
agent2020 2 years ago
Mos Def!
Holla!
pierremcneil 3 years ago
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soulsportstube 3 years ago 2
His points are emotional, not rational. Liberal and critical views are expresed all the time in the U.S.
There is a lot of fighting over politics, but neither side is censored. Conservatives consider themselves as being censored, but that is a joke.
Its classic for anyone from any point of view to complain they are censored and oppressed. Both Left and Right do that.
This is all rhetoric on his part.
drogoscg 4 years ago
This is all rhetoric on his part
His remarks were sincere, not rhetorical, in my view as the one who was near him when he spoke. Rhetorical remarks tend to be scripted and contrived, not contemplatively contrived as he spoke in thought mode, not I got to say this this way or that way.
djafrican 3 years ago
I'm obviously a Ron Paul supporter and I am not a conspiracist or anything. I can speak from rational experience that Ron Paul has gotten 0 coverage. The mass media is not a willing to express views contrary to the status quo because that puts them in jeoprady of losing their mainstream followers. Censorship is inherently bred into our society from a gathering of very strong groups that coelesce around our government. At least keep your eyes open for this to be happening.
ronpaulfreedomforall 3 years ago 3
I'd be concerned about Ron Paul's past comments on racial issues.
djafrican 3 years ago
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Ron Paul gets smeared by the media talking about a white suppremesist who donated and I don't even know how else people get that idea. I've read an essay by Ron Paul on the evils of racism and about how he doesn't support the notion of hate crimes because he sees everybody as equal individuals. You can tell that Paul isn't a racist just by hearing him. He doesn't do the usual politician slide away from questions but answers them truthfully, He's no racist.
ronpaulfreedomforall 3 years ago 2
which were?
hustlablaking 3 years ago
@ronpaulfreedomforall whos ron pauL (EXACTLY.....)
David0Hawkings 1 year ago
Unfortunately, that's false. The only criticism that creeps into the mainstream, agenda setting media is the kind of criticism power is willing to deal with, doves disagreeing with hawks and so on.
Note that despite the most comprehensive election coverage in the history of the nation, not a mutter is to be heard about the inherently undemocratic nature of the electoral college system.
darktiduss 3 years ago
this nation was built on colonialism, ethnic cleansing, genocide, slavery and international imperialism.
yviva 4 years ago 3
Yviva do you even understand the liberty of the words you speak. You use those words to come accros with hope.
servicesource 4 years ago
At the very heart of our nation stands the thought of liberty. This was the original foundation of America, and although I don't disagree with you that absolute lunatical corruption has occured since our founding, that corruption was not what Mos Def was talking about in the interview. He said that America was forged because of resistance to those colonial powers. It is true. Read our Constitution and discover how few of these corrupt actions we have taken are legal by our own rules.
ronpaulfreedomforall 3 years ago
-This entire nation was built on the idea of resistance...
APPLYURSELF 4 years ago
no this nation was build on the idea of enslavement,pagan Christian doctrine, racism, genocide, deception and white superiority.
RealPatriots 3 years ago 19
MOS DEF 2 WORDS :
black Jack
Hot shit
calm down
get up
ghetto people
got this
emjaymoggs 4 years ago