I think World Government is a bad idea. It one gov that controls the world. When it becomes oppresive there's nobody except unarmed citizens to fight back. Pretty hard to take it back then.
Obviously this world government would have an American president, or would you be in favor of an Iranian president? The CEOs of McDonald's and Pfizer would be in charge of the global food and drug administration. The Secretary of Homeland or should I say "Homeworld" security would be CEO of Lockheed Martin. And so on...How about we start by providing for ourselves first, and try to preserve the little dignity the poor people of the world have left.
Very Interesting perspective, and I have to say Mike makes great sense! Being jaded with the political process in our country it's refreshing to hear someone speak with common sense. Not to be a pessimist but in truth the majority of people in this country are not ready for the truth Mike seems to be speaking.
There's too much hysteria about this topic of world governance and not enough discussion. People simply hear what they want or don't want to hear and react. These are issues that must be brought up. Mike is the only one really addressing them. That's why we need to hear him! Please pressure media so he can be heard.
I can't vote for him because of this. World government will be the end for the individual. Man will have no say in what the world government decides to do. The Bill of Rights is disappearing as we speak. Liberty! Ron Paul 2008
you missed the part where he said that his world government plans are contingent upon the enactment of his national initiative which would give voting power on federal issues back to the people. Gravel understands the dangers of power consolidation and recognizes that we are not ready for a WG yet, but if the power is first given back to the people then we can create a WG that is kept in check by its citizens
UK taxpayers are currently paying 7.9% of their entire tax budget as so-called green taxes, which is thankfully down from 8.something last year. I think the words "rip off" are what you are looking for.
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We need the tax. It will be used to fund environmentally safer alternative methods. He prefers hydrogen and wind power. The tax is to get us off carbon in a decade. Subscribe to youtubeDOTcom/gravel2008, you need to, obviously.
the whole mainstream's "fight against carbon dioxide" is just a scam to implement a global carbon tax, and that means more taxes and more higher prices for essential things for especially the american citizens!
Everyone will be receiving money back every month on the essentials with the Fair Tax. Might be $500 or more, plus you get your TAX FREE paychecks. It will mature our country from an extreme spendings nation to a progressive savings nation.
anyone who thinks Gravel is lying or doesn't understand the global economy is truly blind. Alex Jones is not a prophet. he's a profit. Global governance is on us and if we dont secure our footing we're going to be left behind.
Further, Ron Paul & Gravel supporters need to be helping each other during the primary season, as both candidates speak truth, albeit in different ways.
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Haha well I don't know if I'd go that far, but most Ron Paul supporters don't even know what they're supporting. "Freedom and the Constitution" are no less jingo-ist than what Bush is doing unless they can be backed up with real issues and platforms.
Keep challenging them and make them back up what they say. I bet a lot will actually support Gravel once they understand what's going on.
Gravel is a retard. Imagine the suffering, if the fuck up which is the current president/congress gets magnified on the world scale. WW3 will come so fast, you wont know what hit you.
I mean what is he smoking? As if some super global government is going to suddenly become anti-corporate. I call BS. I think the problems of today will be magnified 100 fold.
Hey asshole, how would you deal with international war criminal like Bush and Cheney, because it is obvious that the US is not willing or capable of doing it. Did you have a problem with Hitler's gang being tried at the Hague?
Bush/Cheney and co have been pushing for a one-world goverment with the US as the key player. It's one of the main reasons why they wanted to invade Iraq (and soon Iran I fear). I don't think they would be tried as war criminals if that happened.
Any world goverment should form under the banner of peace, cooperation, and invidivual liberty. Not the nightmare the Neocons want.
I you were paying attention and obviously, you were not. Gravel is talking about the people/citizens being a part of that word govt. You still didnt answer the original question. The nazi gang was tried at the Hague.
You didn't ask me the question. I feel Gravel's idea of a just, fair one world goverment is a worthy goal, but too often we've witnessed when power reisdes in a few elite the worst atrocities occur.
Hell, all you have to do is look at our own federal goverment. The politicians are no longer the statesmen they were meant to be. Power corrupts, that's why we should have limited goverment.
Now for the here and now, its safe to assume that the Senator would like more cooperation from the nations of the world (NOT world government), and would like to give more power to the people with the national initiative.
he repeatedly said "WORLD GOVERNMENT," not cooperation... we don't need world government for cooperation. and you're putting words into his mouth; he didn't say it would be centuries... and he's not basically paraphrasing Jefferson; Thomas Jefferson would be rolling in his grave at the thought of world government; "peace [and trade] with all nations, entangling alliances with none."
He also said that it would not happen anytime soon. I agree with some of the concepts of it. We have problems of international terrorism, global warming , poverty, that needs to have a cooperative effort. Gravel has also said that any world govt would have to include the people being able to make laws for themselves.
He clearly said that the world is not ready for a world government. He is not imposing a world government, he wants to give power to the people (which he says is the first step towards global governance", debatable, but nonetheless the only specific thing he mentions in regards to world government).
And yes, he is paraphrasing Jefferson. Jefferson (obviously) did not believe in a world government for his time, but one of Jefferson fundamental beliefs is the right of the people to choose their form of government. Sen. Gravel is merely echoing that statement when he says the people should be empowered so that they can choose what they desire.
He explicitly said that the world is not ready for a world government. And its safe to assume that the world won't be ready for maybe centuries to come. Sen. Gravel is basically stating the famous Jefferson quote, that each generation has "a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own hapiness".
Man I noticed that alot of the people posting comments are just assuming what Sen. Gravel means by a World Government, and drawing on hypotheticals. He never gave any specifics because he doesn't know any specifics.
Clearly Sen. Gravel doesn't think we need a World Government now. He said that in the interview, so lets not put words in his mouth.
Great video for a great man, Mike Gravel. I also like Ron Paul.
We have TWO chances to get rid of these Neo-Cons in government. Every Democrat should register Republican IMMEDIATELY, vote for Ron Paul in the GOP primary. Then when the primary gets stolen, in the actual election vote Democrat. We have two opportunities, TWO chances, please don't loose either...
All colonisation and invasions should be banned. Each locale should be responsible for itself without outside interference.
Interfering with your neighbours country should be a hanging offence. If everybody minded their own business nobody would have an excuse for war.
Certainly the West needs to halt the recolonisation of Africa immediately. The Africans can take care of themselves if allowed to benefit from their own natural resources.
No civilisation could survive a one world government. We all have different cultures and it is devastating enough to society when our idiot leaders use social engineering as an excuse to import the third world so the corporations can be happy with their slaves.
Most Africans cannot integrate into European society, most Europeans could not tolerate the ways of Africans. Colonisation was disasterous for a reason.
I was going to vote for Mike Gravel until I heard this! Why did colonialism fall apart? How is one nation going to manage all of the social, political, and econimic disparities of the entire world and be fair? The United Nations has never accomplished anything substantive. So, how could we have a single world government?
He didn't say crumbs, he said combs (and he meant Colmes, the liberal). I shoud point out that I was make fun of Gravel. He didn't even know that it was Hannity and Colmes. Not the sharpest mind is Gravel.
It doesnt matter, crumb or colmes. Colmes is a fraud. If you judging Gravels sharpness on mispronouncing a closeted nazis name, than it is you who is not to sharp.
To believe that a world government is runned by the people is a very gullible belief... not one government can satisfify close to 7 billion humans... its an absurd idea for the people to accept, it is a great idea if your a elitest to gain more control over people and policies...
Ok, so he recognizes that globalization is a raw, undeniable fact... I just hope this 'regulation' he speaks of is not necessarily price controls or mandates on employment but rather environmental concerns and the like.
Even the most ardent defenders of the free market have a deep disdain for anarchy.
A little short-sighted, aren't you? He's not proposing a world government, although he does recognize that such a future is inevitable. Humanity will have to become a unified civilization at some point in the distant future, everyone knows that.
Technology makes this more feasible, as even criminals could declare independent status, but their access to public roads can be block at their drive way and a move away from paper money in favor of biometric credits could limit their financial transactions.
These people attacking ron paul simply misunderstand. You are fighting the system by supporting someone like gravel, but you still support it. libertarianism is not stupid right wing BS, libertarianism is bipartisan. There are liberal libertarians too. Radiacl liberals like howard zinn are libertarian. I consider myself a liberal libertarian, and even though I don't agree with ron on everything, these childish attacks are merely serving to divy up more hate where it isn't needed.
That said, let me comment on mike's idea. Simply switching to direct democracy will not free us from corporate rule. Money doesn't just buy politicians, it also buys advertisements. Come on, we re elected bush, clearly we the people are just as corruptable as the government, except we are voting against our own intrests. How many of you follow fashion trends, how many of you prefer stuff with brand names(pepsi, coke?), how many of you watch MTV? There you have it, you've been corrupted.
so, based on that premise, and on premise #2, which is that power seeks higher realms, my conclusion is that a world governmnet would be disasterous. A world government will corrupt. We the people of the world will become more and more homogenized. Megacorps will sell their products with their poison to all of us with no impedence from hostile small governments. If it corrupts, will there be a revolution? Nope, squish. more power, bigger boot. Bad idea.
Perhaps you are thinking inside the box too much. Why not have a simultaneous increase in gradual global political organization and development of the "micro-polity?" This micro-polity would take self-determination to its logical conclusion, allowing individuals or organizations of any size to opt out of any government and hence live beyond any laws and avoid paying taxes that are not in the form of user fees for infrastructure maintenance. People could be free on their own properties.
I like the "opt out of government" idea, but it can't happen. You make a government, power-hungry crooks end up in it. Power hungry crooks will find a way to keep you under them. Mabye there is some threat, and we "need" to unify, or mabye to opt out, you need to go through a mountain of paperwork, whatever. Even the beautiful system of checks and balences employed by our constitution wasn't good enough to control the power hungry crooks.
People who throw around "nazi" for people like Ron Paul and not actual nazis do so to create a heretic class in their simple minds. Nazis are bad, therefore if something is labeled nazi it'll automatically be stigmatized because it's name, even if it has nothing to do with "nazi". This overly simplistic rational has long stopped critical thinking in peoples brains and leads to future stupidity like support for a world government.
Don't senators give an oath swearing to uphold the Constitution? Would not a world government that Mr. Gravel seems to think is so necessary for our survival subvert our constitution? Or are you of the mindset of ol' "W" and think the constitution is just a "goddamn piece of paper"?
Joseph, Ron Paul has said the US constitution isn't perfect. We could develop a better constitution. If we ever replace the current constitution, it should be done via referendum. Remember that Thomas Jefferson favored the idea that each generation has a right to their own revolution. That being said, the world isn't ready for a one world government right now.
If you listened to whole of the interview, he said the world isnt ready for it and any type of world governance would involved the people. So what does upholding the constitution have anything to do with this concept? As far as the nazi term, look up the def in its purest form. Its more than just people who killed jews.
All that you need to know about Ron Paul is that he is a Constitutionalist. The people that wrote up that document were smarter than you or I can imagine. Ron Paul is the founding fathers living in our presence. This country by the way is not a Fucking democracy. This is a constitutional republic. Democracy = majority Republic = Law. when you follow the law things dont get fucked up.
There are many intelligent elements in the constitution, but there is a glaring omission that all libertarians should recognize. There should be an unamendable provision that states that any activities engaged in by individuals or organizations that does not represent a clear, present, and scientifically demonstrable harm to others shall not be regulated in any way, save the offering of positive incentives for behavior that benefits society at large.
Look at the Federal Reserve, and see how privatization is completely bad news. If you empower the people to make laws, and give the power of government back to the people, you will not have corruption. The problem with too much privatization, is that you allow greedy business people to run the country, hold all the power, and pass laws that benefit them. Give the power back to the people, vote GRAVEL2008!
yeah more government. socialism, which is a form of communism, is the true archaic ideology which has taken place throughout history. a true democracy, which is not anarchy, with less government and more personal liberties is what we need to hold on to. if you could only see how miserable people are with a huge level of government intervention in peoples lives in other countries... RonPaul2008dotcom
finally someone who sees what Ron Paul is all about
although don't confound fascism with nazism, nazism is fascism with racism, .... and then you miss the true core of fascism: economic policies that benefit the companies and their elite friend friends in government
We have corporate fascism now which behaves the way that nazi germany back in the 30s did at the reichstac with the propoganda and tactics. That was the comparison there. But all anyone has to do is a little google search about Paul's true policies to see what I have been talking about. But they wont, because their like zombies.
Ron Paul is not eliminating all government just proposes MUCH less government, which is a good thing. The only less corrupt government is less government. Also that means more personal liberties, wealth, and freedom. Socialism is a form of communism.
You dont know what either one of those concepts are so stop it with the false logic. 2. your boy has stated at least once that was on Real Time with Maher that he thinks that privitization of govt is good, like the FAA. Thats not less govt, thats govt for profit. That is corp fascism that just like nazism. So I stand correct. Paul = Nazi.
Criticize the government for corruption but ignore the giant corporate elephants making billions off of it. Ignorance is bliss. There are two problems with the limited government philosophy. There is little unions for workers rights and a severe lack of regulations. This is a corrupt corporation's dream come true. Wake Up! Human Rights and the environment should be our greatest concern, not how to make corporations more corrupt
ever been to West-Europe??? I guess not: they live longer, work less, have better health care, haven't turned into religious nuts, ... buy some planetickets, take off your blinders and go SEE
yeah my cousin lived in europe. she needed surgery but was put on a long waiting list. by the time she was able to get the surgery it was too late and died from a complication that at one point could be easily cured.
What would happen if we had global gov't and Hitler came to power, or Bush for that matter? Borders are protective devices. Global Gov't would be a homogenization of the world's diversity. What's worse, is that the sickest, most power-hungry people and organizations of the planet all want a New World Order. We need less gov't, not more of it.
A world government is unevitable, but it will be at least several hundred years from now under ideal circumstances, and thats only if we intergrate languages, and cultures together.
Marrying all the cultures and economies of the world under one government would have disasterous implications. We should focus on things at home first. Corporations own our poloticians and that is what is ruining our prosperity. You can't just throw regulations and laws at a problem. You have to understand what is cause and what is effect. Mr. Gravel is the only Democrat that I would vote for but Ron Paul has a much better understanding of how things really work.
He is dead wrong on this I no longer like this guy at all. The most powerful Governments in the world tend to be the most corrupt and violent in the world. A world government would be even more evil than the US, Russian and Chinese governments combined simply because its power would be so great. Give any person or organization great power and you will see corruption and violence.
willy: He's not talking about the kind of thing you're envisioning. We already have organizations (like the WTO) that act internationally. The problem is, they are not acting in the best interests of the people.
Yes China ,the middle east and most of Africa are far from democratic but the main movers and shakers are.
I've thought for some time now the U.S. has become to large and unwieldy for the fed to have much say anymore in the management of the states. And by the looks of it the current CEO would be over his head managing a Dairy Queen.
Gravel just sounds so unprincipled, he never really talks about the Constitution, and then hits us with gems about world government, universal healthcare, the carbon tax, the unfairtax, and dumping the electoral college. All these boondoogle experiments he has in store for the country just make my head spin.
I don't agree with you on any of this, but I had to comment on something: why in the WORLD do you think we need the electoral college? That is one of, if not the, worst cog in our political system. We are supposed to be a government BY and FOR the PEOPLE-if every single vote doesn't count, then that is an unfair system.
I don't like gravel now.....down to the NWO. I don't care about the talk of the people and world government, because you know that the globlist will make it the way they want it. World government is stupid anyway.
konn: The current mechanism for saving the planet is not working so well. The reason is that transnational corporations are like small countries. They can pay off gov't leaders, politicians, etc. What is needed is some arrangement such that there is a viable adversary to stand up to corporate activities that are not good for the planet. "World gov't" is merely a scary name to describe it.
True, but some commonground and universal regulation should be reachable and respectable by all countries. For instance, one's related to the climate.
I worry that this will be misinterpreted a lot, what he said. I am a complete Gravel supporter without any doubt, but in a lot of cases "world government" is a scary term. Our current leaders want a World Government-but they want a tyrannical world government. The world government Gravel, and I, would like to see is one that everyone on Earth lives in harmony, where the people have the power and have all rights, freedoms, and liberties that should be granted them.
godless: I think Gravel's goals modest and pragmatic. I believe he simply thinks we need a gov't devoted to opposing the transnational corporate interests. In other words, we don't need a "pro-active" gov't. We already have the beginnings of worldwide policy-making organizations, etc. The problem is, they need to be creatures of the world population directly, as opposed to thru the representatives of various countries, whose first priority is staying in office.
Exactly. The first thing President Gravel would do would be to move our country to being more in the hands of the People by calling on Americans to vote for The National Initiative and then deliverying it, as a demand from The American People to the Congress - adding the People as the 4th check in American government.
Then we'll talk about the world, after setting the National example.
hattrick: I can appreciate what the national initiative is trying to do, but I doubt there will ever be a chance it could get passed. More to the point, we don't need it. The problem is that people are fundamentally uneducated about the basic problems in the country.
I think you're absolutely right. There's no way that initiatives at the National, or really any level for that matter, can work effectively if the People are not simultaneously being informed either by some channel of information, such as the Press / Media or by direct circumstance.
hattrick: There is no way in the world that people are going to vote for a fundamental change in the way the country is run, regardless of how good the idea is. More to the point, if people had sense enough to vote for a national initiative, we wouldn't need a national initiative. The problem is that elected officials are in the hands of the corporate interests.
My understanding of what Gravel's laid out with the National Initiative ensures that this can happen without corporate money from either companies or labor unions from flooding the airwaves with their "spin."
And their is a publicly elected body that is informing citizens.
I think it's possible to set up something that works and that it would then work according to what Jefferson believed. That the People when informed will make the right choice.
It also allows for private "natural" persons (only real individuals, again, not companies) to put aids on the air.
Studies have shown that Initiatives such as one's in California have resulted in the People voting their interest even when the airwaves are flooded with disinformation. That might be more rare when the airwaves are full of misleading info, but with a system set up that keeps that from happening...
I dont except that as an excuse. This is the information age, with the internet. If black to get their newspapers in the middle of the night at railtracks to get news and keep up with what was going on across the country as hard as their lives were, then there is no excuse for not educating yourselves.
truth: "I don't accept that as an excuse." I'm not sure if you're replying to me?? In an ideal world, everyone should be well-educated, the libraries are full of books. But the reality is, people will have to have info brought to them in such a way that they'll focus on it.
I was pointing out the example of the black press and how they operated to get papers out to their communities so they would know what was going on in their communities and as hard as their were, they manage to keep informed. So that is what I mean about their being no excuse for not being informed. Get off you but and go find out for yourself. There is some called the internet.
truth: It has little to do with getting off your butt. if you want to spread a persuasive and informative message, you gotta make it available to whomever you're trying to reach.
I dont disagree with what you are saying, but individuals have a responsible for educating themselves on what goes on in their community and country and not be complacent about it. If people have time to focus on who wins on Amer Idol than can inform themselves on important issues. Period, end of story.
Nicely said Sen. Gravel! Thats the reason why I support you and not Ron Paul. Gravel believes in world government only when the people are in power. Once the people are in power with the N14D theres no lobbyest out there that can bribe a whole nation like they do our representitives, the people will vote on issues that effect there everyday lifes. Im glad you killed this Alex Jones myth and fear tactic. Alex hasnt been the same since he sold himself out.
This will never be achieved unless the governing power of the Global Elites is permanently vanquished. Or, more accurately, equalized to the level of the power each individual is granted.
I support Mike Gravel 100% A World Government controlled by the people is a global imperative. At present however, fanatic religions, racial prejudice, and biased national pride will forever hinder the possibility of world peace unless we adequately educate the public to practice tolerance.
works. Media denounces the legitimacy of the North American Union while in the same sentence describes the very prospect of it's existence. Through repetition, the public excepts infringements and ignores dissent. Most of societies thoughts and opinions are skewed by disinterest, lack of education, domestic priorities, and a view of politically spun propaganda from their favorite networks as a doctrine of infallible truth.
They promised us that the world economy would generate more revenue subsequently ending poverty in the third world. The ultimate result is the opposite. It is effectively dismantling the middle class so that small businesses struggle to survive in the US. The body of free enterprise still exists, but it has been stripped down to the bone of it's meat.
drt: The economy has always been global, but technology has raised the ability of transnational corporations to achieve unprecedented power. The point is that "globalization" can be a good thing, but in its present form, it leads to bad results. In effect, we need international antitrust laws.
Of course there will be a North American Union! It makes total business sense. It will destroy national sovereignty, dissolve individual rights, open the borders, and lower the standard of living for US citizens. The economies and laws of the 3 countries would combine generating more wealth for Mexico and less for US and Canada. This is why the corporate empires that run our government outsource our jobs to countries with feeble economies and poor labor standards. CHEAP LABOR=HIGHER PROFITS
Its a super easy way for the same ole countries/corporations to feed off 3rd world labor. NWO will just make it easier for them. NAU will pass cheap goods from Mex to us, then from Honduras to us then the microchipped penguins in the falklands will be working 24/7 to create crappy plastic goods at inflated prices for us. What will we do?
Gravel is talking about you and me governing the world, not NWO. If this idea scares you, maybe you should 'stop and think'. Take your heads out of the sand AMERICA!!! I'm a fighter. I don't want to lay face down and grease my butt with Vaseline, thank you. Gravel has GUTS! If you're looking for another candidate to watch over you, and take care of you and your interests, Mike is NOT for you. If you're ready to stand up and take control, he is.
For the people to govern the world, you need fair voting, 1 vote=1 vote and Fair reporting from unbiased media. Most countries and its peoples are too irresponsible for a NWO. Unfortunatly people are not bonio monkeys wanting peace, most people cant even stand their next door neighbors. How do to make
rood: In fact, people are meeting and talking on the 'net. Global communications may make it possible for people to undercut their own gov'ts, not with guns, but with communication, understanding, and sensible agreement. In other words, it is when people see common interests in a particular area that they will come together and act against the nation-states who are practicing the same old paradigm.
To stop your kind from gaining momentum, they will continue to tout the net as a place full of wackos, geeks and spammers. People trust the status quo, its safe. They have gas/elec/tv/7-11's/ and a favorite news anchor. Look at your own family I'm sure most of us have an uphill battle just convincing Grandma that Rush is not all that.
Most people are too complacent to see outside the box. They just pick a side. How do you change the world with only a few? The benefits have to be better than the comforts of life they already have.
roodala: It's a numbers game, no doubt. As every day passes, the number of net-savvy people grows. In other words, "we" are becoming "they." As an example, the MSM has had to recognize the power of YouTube, the blogosphere, etc. In many places, the 'net is being monitored, screened, censored--that is actually a sign that awareness of the power of communication across nation-state boundaries is increasing.
Easy install software from your Adsl ISP can easily add a snoop bot on your computer. I have 2way sat (direcway/hughes in Europe) w/German IP account, I do enjoy giving out an IP from Germany rather than France where I live. Since ISP log files are up for grabs by any gov. Skype sold their souls and is one of the worst for privacy. I just don't like being watched.
As they watch us, they count us, gage our direction. This data is surely used against us, just like those supermarket loyalty cards only on a multi-governmental scale.
The UK gov is not a poodle but just part of the pack. The Brits were ripe for cameras on every street corner and were sold "safety" over privacy. People still trust their gov's way too much.
History has never witnessed a true democracy. Since the initial birth pings of democracy in the US citizens have only had indirect power over writing legislature. We elect officials and trust they adhere to their promises. Now, even that indirect power has been deprived of us. A true democracy would be one in which the people have absolute control over creation of laws and foreign affairs.
Who is he kidding. His own country doesn't even make laws at local levels. Every day more and more power is consolidated in the executive branch under the president.
One world government means fewer voices to make decisions. Its the road map to global tyranny.
synsss, you are correct for the most part, but Gravel is talking about first denying the power of corporations and special interest groups over the government, then giving the power of governance to the people. Eventually it would form into a global democracy. A democracy by its true definition.
Respectfully, I think that if you listen closely toward the end of the video that is what Mr. Gravel is saying. That's what I got out of it anyway...peace...J.O...
synss: I'm not sure I'm for a world gov't, but in the U.S., tons of laws are made at the local and state levels. Gravel makes it plain he thinks the corporate interests own the gov't. He wants people elected directly by voters all over the globe, as a way of acting as a check on the power of transnational corporations. That's not fewer voices, that's more.
It's funny to see all the Paul supporters over here. And even more humorous they continue to propagate stone age nationalistic beliefs. Paul and his supporters clamor for the anti-war vote, and yet seem oblivious to the fact that as long as there is nationalism, there will be wars. Nationalism has been the cause of virtually every war ever fought (see Orwell).
One of our only legitimate hopes for ending wars is in forming a cohesive world system that enables people to work together and breaks down the barrier of nationalism. Yet terrified little Paul and his tiny band of loud-mouthed groupies continue to let fear set the agenda, and cling to outdated idealologies that have long since been proven false.
Dont be like Paul in that because one thing is wrong, we should eliminate the whole thing. Not everyone is a nationalist, and trying to abandon independence in favor of a collectivist, communal attitude is the step in the opposite direction. We can work together and respect each other with our borders in place.
having a world government doesn't mean we abandon our borders (retard) it means that we have a global democracy , probably utilizing the internet, that can impose sanctions against unruley nations, like the US for instance, when they do things that are completely fucked up and not in the best interest of humanity. (dumbass)
Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the impression that I was free to write whatever I wanted without being insulted by a 20 something pseudo-intellectual. If you want to make a point, then do it and don't throw shit at people. Anyway, you're under the impression that the internet has actually done shit. Which is wholly untrue. Its up to the citizens of whatever country to resist, and by resist I dont mean writing an anti-war poem and posting it on your blog.
i havent heard them advocating absolute pacifism or isolationism. Paul, like Orwell recognize that wars are a part of the human condition and are in some cases there is just cause. However one should not confuse being against this war, with being against war all together.
I always respected his honesty and passion, but outside of his views on the war and the federal reserve, he doesn't hold a candle to Ron Paul.
One World government lacks the most important check and balance of them all. We have no where to turn if government corrupts. Government will always have a monopoly on force, and Gravel wants to create to monopolize government itself.
Like all democrats he allows his quest for a government generated utopia to cloud his judgement.
Hopefor: there is internationalism, and there is internationalism. He is talking about a body represented by all people that would act in opposition to the corporate interests and the governments that act to support them in economic imperialism, trashing the environment, etc.
nader, gravel and paul are the only hope for this hopeless country.
mrtyles 4 years ago
I think World Government is a bad idea. It one gov that controls the world. When it becomes oppresive there's nobody except unarmed citizens to fight back. Pretty hard to take it back then.
baser11 4 years ago
Obviously this world government would have an American president, or would you be in favor of an Iranian president? The CEOs of McDonald's and Pfizer would be in charge of the global food and drug administration. The Secretary of Homeland or should I say "Homeworld" security would be CEO of Lockheed Martin. And so on...How about we start by providing for ourselves first, and try to preserve the little dignity the poor people of the world have left.
JaviVilar 4 years ago
there would not be a single president.
representativepress 4 years ago
Very Interesting perspective, and I have to say Mike makes great sense! Being jaded with the political process in our country it's refreshing to hear someone speak with common sense. Not to be a pessimist but in truth the majority of people in this country are not ready for the truth Mike seems to be speaking.
TrueVoiceman 4 years ago 2
There's too much hysteria about this topic of world governance and not enough discussion. People simply hear what they want or don't want to hear and react. These are issues that must be brought up. Mike is the only one really addressing them. That's why we need to hear him! Please pressure media so he can be heard.
gravelin08 4 years ago
Mike is the man with a plan.Power to the people.
johndownunder 4 years ago
I can't vote for him because of this. World government will be the end for the individual. Man will have no say in what the world government decides to do. The Bill of Rights is disappearing as we speak. Liberty! Ron Paul 2008
haircutname 4 years ago
you missed the part where he said that his world government plans are contingent upon the enactment of his national initiative which would give voting power on federal issues back to the people. Gravel understands the dangers of power consolidation and recognizes that we are not ready for a WG yet, but if the power is first given back to the people then we can create a WG that is kept in check by its citizens
617stork 4 years ago
UK taxpayers are currently paying 7.9% of their entire tax budget as so-called green taxes, which is thankfully down from 8.something last year. I think the words "rip off" are what you are looking for.
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jbledsoe86 4 years ago
World Government will happen one day.
It will have faults like any other form of human governments.
JakePelka 4 years ago
FAULTS? That is a big understatement.
It will be worse than communism.
RESEARCH 'Sustainable Development'.
Martinez4USA 4 years ago
GRAVEL you are new world order !!! why do you want a global carbon tax?
damonsecloro 4 years ago
We need the tax. It will be used to fund environmentally safer alternative methods. He prefers hydrogen and wind power. The tax is to get us off carbon in a decade. Subscribe to youtubeDOTcom/gravel2008, you need to, obviously.
uterfan 4 years ago
the whole mainstream's "fight against carbon dioxide" is just a scam to implement a global carbon tax, and that means more taxes and more higher prices for essential things for especially the american citizens!
damonsecloro 4 years ago
I already explained why.
Everyone will be receiving money back every month on the essentials with the Fair Tax. Might be $500 or more, plus you get your TAX FREE paychecks. It will mature our country from an extreme spendings nation to a progressive savings nation.
uterfan 4 years ago
DUDE..WAKE UP!! ITS A DECEPTION!!
Martinez4USA 4 years ago
anyone who thinks Gravel is lying or doesn't understand the global economy is truly blind. Alex Jones is not a prophet. he's a profit. Global governance is on us and if we dont secure our footing we're going to be left behind.
oldhacks 4 years ago
DUDE! You're a paranoid anti-authoritarian!
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PeaceCzar 4 years ago
It's ridiculous reading what all you paranoid fools have to say about Gravel and the National Initiative.
Empowering the people to become lawmakers, a 4th method of checks & balances.
But Ron Paul kids like to curl up by the fire with their anti-authoritarian neuroses and just want to live free or die.
Do you not understand that something like the National Initiative helps to combat consolidation of power and NWO/Illuminati/whatever government?
PeaceCzar 4 years ago
they don't because if they did they would understand that Ron Paul is just Bush in disguise and he's SHOULD I SAY IT? a REPUBLICAN....Republicans=Ass
Tellinhowitis121 4 years ago
Haha well I don't know if I'd go that far, but most Ron Paul supporters don't even know what they're supporting. "Freedom and the Constitution" are no less jingo-ist than what Bush is doing unless they can be backed up with real issues and platforms.
Keep challenging them and make them back up what they say. I bet a lot will actually support Gravel once they understand what's going on.
PeaceCzar 4 years ago
that's also what hitler wanted.
YazDawg 4 years ago
With that video I lost all respect for Mike G. He has some good points.
World government... Boo!
Ron Paul 2008 the best pick!
Pat Buchanan's website openly endorses Ron Paul!
America4Good 4 years ago
Gravel is a retard. Imagine the suffering, if the fuck up which is the current president/congress gets magnified on the world scale. WW3 will come so fast, you wont know what hit you.
TheEvilDetector 4 years ago
I mean what is he smoking? As if some super global government is going to suddenly become anti-corporate. I call BS. I think the problems of today will be magnified 100 fold.
TheEvilDetector 4 years ago
Stop thinking man...your stupid enough said. Corporations have ruined the American culture but you're too stupid and caught up with it to realize.
Tellinhowitis121 4 years ago
Keep this thought in mind folks, if we did have some sort of world govt, we could be putting Bush/Cheney on trial for war crimes.
truthout911 4 years ago
...or maybe people like them would be running it, you moron!
barnroad 4 years ago
Hey asshole, how would you deal with international war criminal like Bush and Cheney, because it is obvious that the US is not willing or capable of doing it. Did you have a problem with Hitler's gang being tried at the Hague?
truthout911 4 years ago
Bush/Cheney and co have been pushing for a one-world goverment with the US as the key player. It's one of the main reasons why they wanted to invade Iraq (and soon Iran I fear). I don't think they would be tried as war criminals if that happened.
Any world goverment should form under the banner of peace, cooperation, and invidivual liberty. Not the nightmare the Neocons want.
Kapan60 4 years ago
I you were paying attention and obviously, you were not. Gravel is talking about the people/citizens being a part of that word govt. You still didnt answer the original question. The nazi gang was tried at the Hague.
truthout911 4 years ago
You didn't ask me the question. I feel Gravel's idea of a just, fair one world goverment is a worthy goal, but too often we've witnessed when power reisdes in a few elite the worst atrocities occur.
Hell, all you have to do is look at our own federal goverment. The politicians are no longer the statesmen they were meant to be. Power corrupts, that's why we should have limited goverment.
Kapan60 4 years ago
Now for the here and now, its safe to assume that the Senator would like more cooperation from the nations of the world (NOT world government), and would like to give more power to the people with the national initiative.
clevername71 4 years ago
he repeatedly said "WORLD GOVERNMENT," not cooperation... we don't need world government for cooperation. and you're putting words into his mouth; he didn't say it would be centuries... and he's not basically paraphrasing Jefferson; Thomas Jefferson would be rolling in his grave at the thought of world government; "peace [and trade] with all nations, entangling alliances with none."
barnroad 4 years ago
He also said that it would not happen anytime soon. I agree with some of the concepts of it. We have problems of international terrorism, global warming , poverty, that needs to have a cooperative effort. Gravel has also said that any world govt would have to include the people being able to make laws for themselves.
truthout911 4 years ago
He clearly said that the world is not ready for a world government. He is not imposing a world government, he wants to give power to the people (which he says is the first step towards global governance", debatable, but nonetheless the only specific thing he mentions in regards to world government).
clevername71 4 years ago
And yes, he is paraphrasing Jefferson. Jefferson (obviously) did not believe in a world government for his time, but one of Jefferson fundamental beliefs is the right of the people to choose their form of government. Sen. Gravel is merely echoing that statement when he says the people should be empowered so that they can choose what they desire.
clevername71 4 years ago
He explicitly said that the world is not ready for a world government. And its safe to assume that the world won't be ready for maybe centuries to come. Sen. Gravel is basically stating the famous Jefferson quote, that each generation has "a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own hapiness".
clevername71 4 years ago
Man I noticed that alot of the people posting comments are just assuming what Sen. Gravel means by a World Government, and drawing on hypotheticals. He never gave any specifics because he doesn't know any specifics.
Clearly Sen. Gravel doesn't think we need a World Government now. He said that in the interview, so lets not put words in his mouth.
clevername71 4 years ago
Disappointing...he's definitely for a New world order.
Great vid though! :)
xxjuanitaxx 4 years ago
Global Government? Please. What a load of horse shit.
AnyThingButWindows 4 years ago
Great video for a great man, Mike Gravel. I also like Ron Paul.
We have TWO chances to get rid of these Neo-Cons in government. Every Democrat should register Republican IMMEDIATELY, vote for Ron Paul in the GOP primary. Then when the primary gets stolen, in the actual election vote Democrat. We have two opportunities, TWO chances, please don't loose either...
MrWood14 4 years ago
All colonisation and invasions should be banned. Each locale should be responsible for itself without outside interference.
Interfering with your neighbours country should be a hanging offence. If everybody minded their own business nobody would have an excuse for war.
Certainly the West needs to halt the recolonisation of Africa immediately. The Africans can take care of themselves if allowed to benefit from their own natural resources.
emire25 4 years ago
No civilisation could survive a one world government. We all have different cultures and it is devastating enough to society when our idiot leaders use social engineering as an excuse to import the third world so the corporations can be happy with their slaves.
Most Africans cannot integrate into European society, most Europeans could not tolerate the ways of Africans. Colonisation was disasterous for a reason.
emire25 4 years ago
I was going to vote for Mike Gravel until I heard this! Why did colonialism fall apart? How is one nation going to manage all of the social, political, and econimic disparities of the entire world and be fair? The United Nations has never accomplished anything substantive. So, how could we have a single world government?
javonbyars 4 years ago
He didn't say crumbs, he said combs (and he meant Colmes, the liberal). I shoud point out that I was make fun of Gravel. He didn't even know that it was Hannity and Colmes. Not the sharpest mind is Gravel.
martinking68 4 years ago
It doesnt matter, crumb or colmes. Colmes is a fraud. If you judging Gravels sharpness on mispronouncing a closeted nazis name, than it is you who is not to sharp.
truthout911 4 years ago
To believe that a world government is runned by the people is a very gullible belief... not one government can satisfify close to 7 billion humans... its an absurd idea for the people to accept, it is a great idea if your a elitest to gain more control over people and policies...
punjabisikhwarrior 4 years ago
Ok, so he recognizes that globalization is a raw, undeniable fact... I just hope this 'regulation' he speaks of is not necessarily price controls or mandates on employment but rather environmental concerns and the like.
Even the most ardent defenders of the free market have a deep disdain for anarchy.
illinoisgrad 4 years ago
No.just no.
Ive no idea why ive been wondering about this guy.World Government is VERY VERY VERY VERY wrong.
Read 1985.
3 Governments.Impossible.
1 Government.Even worse.This cannot happen.This is very bad.
Yankeesfan3456 4 years ago
A little short-sighted, aren't you? He's not proposing a world government, although he does recognize that such a future is inevitable. Humanity will have to become a unified civilization at some point in the distant future, everyone knows that.
quiIl 4 years ago
How old are you, 3.
truthout911 4 years ago
Shawnity and Combs?
martinking68 4 years ago
lol thats what they are. shawnity and crumbs!
morris0n2 4 years ago
Technology makes this more feasible, as even criminals could declare independent status, but their access to public roads can be block at their drive way and a move away from paper money in favor of biometric credits could limit their financial transactions.
Zeldovich 4 years ago
These people attacking ron paul simply misunderstand. You are fighting the system by supporting someone like gravel, but you still support it. libertarianism is not stupid right wing BS, libertarianism is bipartisan. There are liberal libertarians too. Radiacl liberals like howard zinn are libertarian. I consider myself a liberal libertarian, and even though I don't agree with ron on everything, these childish attacks are merely serving to divy up more hate where it isn't needed.
BrickSalad 4 years ago
That said, let me comment on mike's idea. Simply switching to direct democracy will not free us from corporate rule. Money doesn't just buy politicians, it also buys advertisements. Come on, we re elected bush, clearly we the people are just as corruptable as the government, except we are voting against our own intrests. How many of you follow fashion trends, how many of you prefer stuff with brand names(pepsi, coke?), how many of you watch MTV? There you have it, you've been corrupted.
BrickSalad 4 years ago
so, based on that premise, and on premise #2, which is that power seeks higher realms, my conclusion is that a world governmnet would be disasterous. A world government will corrupt. We the people of the world will become more and more homogenized. Megacorps will sell their products with their poison to all of us with no impedence from hostile small governments. If it corrupts, will there be a revolution? Nope, squish. more power, bigger boot. Bad idea.
BrickSalad 4 years ago
Perhaps you are thinking inside the box too much. Why not have a simultaneous increase in gradual global political organization and development of the "micro-polity?" This micro-polity would take self-determination to its logical conclusion, allowing individuals or organizations of any size to opt out of any government and hence live beyond any laws and avoid paying taxes that are not in the form of user fees for infrastructure maintenance. People could be free on their own properties.
Zeldovich 4 years ago
I like the "opt out of government" idea, but it can't happen. You make a government, power-hungry crooks end up in it. Power hungry crooks will find a way to keep you under them. Mabye there is some threat, and we "need" to unify, or mabye to opt out, you need to go through a mountain of paperwork, whatever. Even the beautiful system of checks and balences employed by our constitution wasn't good enough to control the power hungry crooks.
BrickSalad 4 years ago 2
People who throw around "nazi" for people like Ron Paul and not actual nazis do so to create a heretic class in their simple minds. Nazis are bad, therefore if something is labeled nazi it'll automatically be stigmatized because it's name, even if it has nothing to do with "nazi". This overly simplistic rational has long stopped critical thinking in peoples brains and leads to future stupidity like support for a world government.
josephusofantioch 4 years ago
Don't senators give an oath swearing to uphold the Constitution? Would not a world government that Mr. Gravel seems to think is so necessary for our survival subvert our constitution? Or are you of the mindset of ol' "W" and think the constitution is just a "goddamn piece of paper"?
josephusofantioch 4 years ago
Joseph, Ron Paul has said the US constitution isn't perfect. We could develop a better constitution. If we ever replace the current constitution, it should be done via referendum. Remember that Thomas Jefferson favored the idea that each generation has a right to their own revolution. That being said, the world isn't ready for a one world government right now.
Zeldovich 4 years ago
If you listened to whole of the interview, he said the world isnt ready for it and any type of world governance would involved the people. So what does upholding the constitution have anything to do with this concept? As far as the nazi term, look up the def in its purest form. Its more than just people who killed jews.
truthout911 4 years ago
All that you need to know about Ron Paul is that he is a Constitutionalist. The people that wrote up that document were smarter than you or I can imagine. Ron Paul is the founding fathers living in our presence. This country by the way is not a Fucking democracy. This is a constitutional republic. Democracy = majority Republic = Law. when you follow the law things dont get fucked up.
friedomfighter 4 years ago
friedomfighter = NAZI
truthout911 4 years ago
There are many intelligent elements in the constitution, but there is a glaring omission that all libertarians should recognize. There should be an unamendable provision that states that any activities engaged in by individuals or organizations that does not represent a clear, present, and scientifically demonstrable harm to others shall not be regulated in any way, save the offering of positive incentives for behavior that benefits society at large.
Zeldovich 4 years ago
Look at the Federal Reserve, and see how privatization is completely bad news. If you empower the people to make laws, and give the power of government back to the people, you will not have corruption. The problem with too much privatization, is that you allow greedy business people to run the country, hold all the power, and pass laws that benefit them. Give the power back to the people, vote GRAVEL2008!
tubertime 4 years ago
Mr. Gravel, Keep up the good work. Know leadership when i see it.
press1500 4 years ago
yeah more government. socialism, which is a form of communism, is the true archaic ideology which has taken place throughout history. a true democracy, which is not anarchy, with less government and more personal liberties is what we need to hold on to. if you could only see how miserable people are with a huge level of government intervention in peoples lives in other countries... RonPaul2008dotcom
YazDawg 4 years ago
Paul want corporations to run govt which leads to fascism, which is nazism. Paul = Nazi. Gravel for 08
truthout911 4 years ago
finally someone who sees what Ron Paul is all about
although don't confound fascism with nazism, nazism is fascism with racism, .... and then you miss the true core of fascism: economic policies that benefit the companies and their elite friend friends in government
video2008usa 4 years ago
We have corporate fascism now which behaves the way that nazi germany back in the 30s did at the reichstac with the propoganda and tactics. That was the comparison there. But all anyone has to do is a little google search about Paul's true policies to see what I have been talking about. But they wont, because their like zombies.
truthout911 4 years ago
Ron Paul is not eliminating all government just proposes MUCH less government, which is a good thing. The only less corrupt government is less government. Also that means more personal liberties, wealth, and freedom. Socialism is a form of communism.
YazDawg 4 years ago
You dont know what either one of those concepts are so stop it with the false logic. 2. your boy has stated at least once that was on Real Time with Maher that he thinks that privitization of govt is good, like the FAA. Thats not less govt, thats govt for profit. That is corp fascism that just like nazism. So I stand correct. Paul = Nazi.
truthout911 4 years ago
Criticize the government for corruption but ignore the giant corporate elephants making billions off of it. Ignorance is bliss. There are two problems with the limited government philosophy. There is little unions for workers rights and a severe lack of regulations. This is a corrupt corporation's dream come true. Wake Up! Human Rights and the environment should be our greatest concern, not how to make corporations more corrupt
woostopalypse 4 years ago
ever been to West-Europe??? I guess not: they live longer, work less, have better health care, haven't turned into religious nuts, ... buy some planetickets, take off your blinders and go SEE
video2008usa 4 years ago 2
yeah my cousin lived in europe. she needed surgery but was put on a long waiting list. by the time she was able to get the surgery it was too late and died from a complication that at one point could be easily cured.
YazDawg 4 years ago
True nazism, thats Ron Paul
truthout911 4 years ago
What would happen if we had global gov't and Hitler came to power, or Bush for that matter? Borders are protective devices. Global Gov't would be a homogenization of the world's diversity. What's worse, is that the sickest, most power-hungry people and organizations of the planet all want a New World Order. We need less gov't, not more of it.
emptyground 4 years ago
A world government is unevitable, but it will be at least several hundred years from now under ideal circumstances, and thats only if we intergrate languages, and cultures together.
takerdust 4 years ago
I've Got Crush On Mike Gravel (YEAH REALLY!)L@@K!
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newbievids 4 years ago
I agree with Gravel. We may not be for a world government yet, but a federal republican world government should be a goal.
Zeldovich 4 years ago
RP fans are paranoid tin-foil hat-wearing ignorant sheep. Libertarianism is bullshit and always will be
qwerty4197 4 years ago
Care to give some examples of why libertarianism is BS?
ClassicMusicVids 4 years ago
yea yea, earn your federal pay check writing ignorant trash on youtube, douchebag
realestMC 4 years ago
IM VOTING FOR HIM,,,A GREAT MAN
bettyat 4 years ago
seanity combs?
yesMirish 4 years ago
Marrying all the cultures and economies of the world under one government would have disasterous implications. We should focus on things at home first. Corporations own our poloticians and that is what is ruining our prosperity. You can't just throw regulations and laws at a problem. You have to understand what is cause and what is effect. Mr. Gravel is the only Democrat that I would vote for but Ron Paul has a much better understanding of how things really work.
judoskeleton 4 years ago
Great Man.. Caring, Honest. A Real American Patriot
Ron Paul/Mike Gravel 2008
My Dream Ticket
1787patriot 4 years ago
He is dead wrong on this I no longer like this guy at all. The most powerful Governments in the world tend to be the most corrupt and violent in the world. A world government would be even more evil than the US, Russian and Chinese governments combined simply because its power would be so great. Give any person or organization great power and you will see corruption and violence.
willyswear 4 years ago
willy: He's not talking about the kind of thing you're envisioning. We already have organizations (like the WTO) that act internationally. The problem is, they are not acting in the best interests of the people.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
We have a World government already.
Its called democracy.
Bigoillobby 4 years ago
what are you talking about? The world at large isn't democratic. I thought you were going to say the U.N.
Ryguy1450 4 years ago
Ryguy1450,
Yes China ,the middle east and most of Africa are far from democratic but the main movers and shakers are.
I've thought for some time now the U.S. has become to large and unwieldy for the fed to have much say anymore in the management of the states. And by the looks of it the current CEO would be over his head managing a Dairy Queen.
Bigoillobby 4 years ago
We need Global Cooperation.
That's all I know.
HatTricksInc 4 years ago
Gravel just sounds so unprincipled, he never really talks about the Constitution, and then hits us with gems about world government, universal healthcare, the carbon tax, the unfairtax, and dumping the electoral college. All these boondoogle experiments he has in store for the country just make my head spin.
ditkuss 4 years ago
I don't agree with you on any of this, but I had to comment on something: why in the WORLD do you think we need the electoral college? That is one of, if not the, worst cog in our political system. We are supposed to be a government BY and FOR the PEOPLE-if every single vote doesn't count, then that is an unfair system.
GodlessLitany 4 years ago
I don't like gravel now.....down to the NWO. I don't care about the talk of the people and world government, because you know that the globlist will make it the way they want it. World government is stupid anyway.
hogskin 4 years ago
konn: The current mechanism for saving the planet is not working so well. The reason is that transnational corporations are like small countries. They can pay off gov't leaders, politicians, etc. What is needed is some arrangement such that there is a viable adversary to stand up to corporate activities that are not good for the planet. "World gov't" is merely a scary name to describe it.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
You can't govern the world with one set of rules because there are too many differences of opinion. Individualaity is important.
tsycear 4 years ago
True, but some commonground and universal regulation should be reachable and respectable by all countries. For instance, one's related to the climate.
HatTricksInc 4 years ago
I worry that this will be misinterpreted a lot, what he said. I am a complete Gravel supporter without any doubt, but in a lot of cases "world government" is a scary term. Our current leaders want a World Government-but they want a tyrannical world government. The world government Gravel, and I, would like to see is one that everyone on Earth lives in harmony, where the people have the power and have all rights, freedoms, and liberties that should be granted them.
GodlessLitany 4 years ago 6
godless: I think Gravel's goals modest and pragmatic. I believe he simply thinks we need a gov't devoted to opposing the transnational corporate interests. In other words, we don't need a "pro-active" gov't. We already have the beginnings of worldwide policy-making organizations, etc. The problem is, they need to be creatures of the world population directly, as opposed to thru the representatives of various countries, whose first priority is staying in office.
nicholas9999 4 years ago 2
Exactly. The first thing President Gravel would do would be to move our country to being more in the hands of the People by calling on Americans to vote for The National Initiative and then deliverying it, as a demand from The American People to the Congress - adding the People as the 4th check in American government.
Then we'll talk about the world, after setting the National example.
HatTricksInc 4 years ago 2
hattrick: I can appreciate what the national initiative is trying to do, but I doubt there will ever be a chance it could get passed. More to the point, we don't need it. The problem is that people are fundamentally uneducated about the basic problems in the country.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
I think you're absolutely right. There's no way that initiatives at the National, or really any level for that matter, can work effectively if the People are not simultaneously being informed either by some channel of information, such as the Press / Media or by direct circumstance.
HatTricksInc 4 years ago
hattrick: There is no way in the world that people are going to vote for a fundamental change in the way the country is run, regardless of how good the idea is. More to the point, if people had sense enough to vote for a national initiative, we wouldn't need a national initiative. The problem is that elected officials are in the hands of the corporate interests.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
My understanding of what Gravel's laid out with the National Initiative ensures that this can happen without corporate money from either companies or labor unions from flooding the airwaves with their "spin."
And their is a publicly elected body that is informing citizens.
I think it's possible to set up something that works and that it would then work according to what Jefferson believed. That the People when informed will make the right choice.
HatTricksInc 4 years ago
It also allows for private "natural" persons (only real individuals, again, not companies) to put aids on the air.
Studies have shown that Initiatives such as one's in California have resulted in the People voting their interest even when the airwaves are flooded with disinformation. That might be more rare when the airwaves are full of misleading info, but with a system set up that keeps that from happening...
HatTricksInc 4 years ago
, and also allowing for the People to reverse their own decisions, I think such a system could be solid.
HatTricksInc 4 years ago
I dont except that as an excuse. This is the information age, with the internet. If black to get their newspapers in the middle of the night at railtracks to get news and keep up with what was going on across the country as hard as their lives were, then there is no excuse for not educating yourselves.
truthout911 4 years ago
truth: "I don't accept that as an excuse." I'm not sure if you're replying to me?? In an ideal world, everyone should be well-educated, the libraries are full of books. But the reality is, people will have to have info brought to them in such a way that they'll focus on it.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
I was pointing out the example of the black press and how they operated to get papers out to their communities so they would know what was going on in their communities and as hard as their were, they manage to keep informed. So that is what I mean about their being no excuse for not being informed. Get off you but and go find out for yourself. There is some called the internet.
truthout911 4 years ago
truth: It has little to do with getting off your butt. if you want to spread a persuasive and informative message, you gotta make it available to whomever you're trying to reach.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
I dont disagree with what you are saying, but individuals have a responsible for educating themselves on what goes on in their community and country and not be complacent about it. If people have time to focus on who wins on Amer Idol than can inform themselves on important issues. Period, end of story.
truthout911 4 years ago
All globalists ought to be broken like a bottle.
Aiursrage2k 4 years ago
Brilliant analogy, dude.
thelettere 4 years ago
and who would enforce this on a global level?
DrLZRDMN 4 years ago
Nicely said Sen. Gravel! Thats the reason why I support you and not Ron Paul. Gravel believes in world government only when the people are in power. Once the people are in power with the N14D theres no lobbyest out there that can bribe a whole nation like they do our representitives, the people will vote on issues that effect there everyday lifes. Im glad you killed this Alex Jones myth and fear tactic. Alex hasnt been the same since he sold himself out.
kyeot 4 years ago 2
This will never be achieved unless the governing power of the Global Elites is permanently vanquished. Or, more accurately, equalized to the level of the power each individual is granted.
FreedomFtr 4 years ago 6
I support Mike Gravel 100% A World Government controlled by the people is a global imperative. At present however, fanatic religions, racial prejudice, and biased national pride will forever hinder the possibility of world peace unless we adequately educate the public to practice tolerance.
FreedomFtr 4 years ago 3
I am utterly dumbfounded on how well doublethink
works. Media denounces the legitimacy of the North American Union while in the same sentence describes the very prospect of it's existence. Through repetition, the public excepts infringements and ignores dissent. Most of societies thoughts and opinions are skewed by disinterest, lack of education, domestic priorities, and a view of politically spun propaganda from their favorite networks as a doctrine of infallible truth.
FreedomFtr 4 years ago 3
The majority of the public have been thoroughly brainwashed by the media to equate the mere mention of the word "conspiracy" to "insane paranoia".
FreedomFtr 4 years ago 2
They promised us that the world economy would generate more revenue subsequently ending poverty in the third world. The ultimate result is the opposite. It is effectively dismantling the middle class so that small businesses struggle to survive in the US. The body of free enterprise still exists, but it has been stripped down to the bone of it's meat.
FreedomFtr 4 years ago 2
the economy has always been global.
You're probably talking about free trade agreements, which only benefit the ruling classes.
DrLZRDMN 4 years ago
drt: The economy has always been global, but technology has raised the ability of transnational corporations to achieve unprecedented power. The point is that "globalization" can be a good thing, but in its present form, it leads to bad results. In effect, we need international antitrust laws.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
Of course there will be a North American Union! It makes total business sense. It will destroy national sovereignty, dissolve individual rights, open the borders, and lower the standard of living for US citizens. The economies and laws of the 3 countries would combine generating more wealth for Mexico and less for US and Canada. This is why the corporate empires that run our government outsource our jobs to countries with feeble economies and poor labor standards. CHEAP LABOR=HIGHER PROFITS
FreedomFtr 4 years ago
Its a super easy way for the same ole countries/corporations to feed off 3rd world labor. NWO will just make it easier for them. NAU will pass cheap goods from Mex to us, then from Honduras to us then the microchipped penguins in the falklands will be working 24/7 to create crappy plastic goods at inflated prices for us. What will we do?
roodala 4 years ago
Gravel is talking about you and me governing the world, not NWO. If this idea scares you, maybe you should 'stop and think'. Take your heads out of the sand AMERICA!!! I'm a fighter. I don't want to lay face down and grease my butt with Vaseline, thank you. Gravel has GUTS! If you're looking for another candidate to watch over you, and take care of you and your interests, Mike is NOT for you. If you're ready to stand up and take control, he is.
partgreen 4 years ago
For the people to govern the world, you need fair voting, 1 vote=1 vote and Fair reporting from unbiased media. Most countries and its peoples are too irresponsible for a NWO. Unfortunatly people are not bonio monkeys wanting peace, most people cant even stand their next door neighbors. How do to make
a utopia when most people are so agressive?
roodala 4 years ago
rood: In fact, people are meeting and talking on the 'net. Global communications may make it possible for people to undercut their own gov'ts, not with guns, but with communication, understanding, and sensible agreement. In other words, it is when people see common interests in a particular area that they will come together and act against the nation-states who are practicing the same old paradigm.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
To stop your kind from gaining momentum, they will continue to tout the net as a place full of wackos, geeks and spammers. People trust the status quo, its safe. They have gas/elec/tv/7-11's/ and a favorite news anchor. Look at your own family I'm sure most of us have an uphill battle just convincing Grandma that Rush is not all that.
roodala 4 years ago
Most people are too complacent to see outside the box. They just pick a side. How do you change the world with only a few? The benefits have to be better than the comforts of life they already have.
roodala 4 years ago
rood: I'm hopeful that change will occur. I believe that looking forward optimistically is a good thing.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
roodala: It's a numbers game, no doubt. As every day passes, the number of net-savvy people grows. In other words, "we" are becoming "they." As an example, the MSM has had to recognize the power of YouTube, the blogosphere, etc. In many places, the 'net is being monitored, screened, censored--that is actually a sign that awareness of the power of communication across nation-state boundaries is increasing.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
Easy install software from your Adsl ISP can easily add a snoop bot on your computer. I have 2way sat (direcway/hughes in Europe) w/German IP account, I do enjoy giving out an IP from Germany rather than France where I live. Since ISP log files are up for grabs by any gov. Skype sold their souls and is one of the worst for privacy. I just don't like being watched.
roodala 4 years ago
As they watch us, they count us, gage our direction. This data is surely used against us, just like those supermarket loyalty cards only on a multi-governmental scale.
The UK gov is not a poodle but just part of the pack. The Brits were ripe for cameras on every street corner and were sold "safety" over privacy. People still trust their gov's way too much.
roodala 4 years ago
History has never witnessed a true democracy. Since the initial birth pings of democracy in the US citizens have only had indirect power over writing legislature. We elect officials and trust they adhere to their promises. Now, even that indirect power has been deprived of us. A true democracy would be one in which the people have absolute control over creation of laws and foreign affairs.
FreedomFtr 4 years ago
Who is he kidding. His own country doesn't even make laws at local levels. Every day more and more power is consolidated in the executive branch under the president.
One world government means fewer voices to make decisions. Its the road map to global tyranny.
synsss 4 years ago
synsss, you are correct for the most part, but Gravel is talking about first denying the power of corporations and special interest groups over the government, then giving the power of governance to the people. Eventually it would form into a global democracy. A democracy by its true definition.
FreedomFtr 4 years ago 2
Respectfully, I think that if you listen closely toward the end of the video that is what Mr. Gravel is saying. That's what I got out of it anyway...peace...J.O...
JohnnyOhio 4 years ago
synss: I'm not sure I'm for a world gov't, but in the U.S., tons of laws are made at the local and state levels. Gravel makes it plain he thinks the corporate interests own the gov't. He wants people elected directly by voters all over the globe, as a way of acting as a check on the power of transnational corporations. That's not fewer voices, that's more.
nicholas9999 4 years ago 3
that's a stupid question, dude! Mike Gravel will be taking hold moron!
gravel08. us
inotheyare 4 years ago
So, what happens when someone like Hitler or Stalin takes hold of this government?
wpiman 4 years ago
They would raise a huge army together and attack Pluto.
thelettere 4 years ago
If it's by and for the people, "taking over" doesn't really happen.
DrLZRDMN 4 years ago
You do realize that Hitler was elected. What happens when such a leader decides he doesn't want to give up power?
wpiman 4 years ago
It's funny to see all the Paul supporters over here. And even more humorous they continue to propagate stone age nationalistic beliefs. Paul and his supporters clamor for the anti-war vote, and yet seem oblivious to the fact that as long as there is nationalism, there will be wars. Nationalism has been the cause of virtually every war ever fought (see Orwell).
thelettere 4 years ago
One of our only legitimate hopes for ending wars is in forming a cohesive world system that enables people to work together and breaks down the barrier of nationalism. Yet terrified little Paul and his tiny band of loud-mouthed groupies continue to let fear set the agenda, and cling to outdated idealologies that have long since been proven false.
thelettere 4 years ago
thelettere:
Dont be like Paul in that because one thing is wrong, we should eliminate the whole thing. Not everyone is a nationalist, and trying to abandon independence in favor of a collectivist, communal attitude is the step in the opposite direction. We can work together and respect each other with our borders in place.
F33bs 4 years ago
having a world government doesn't mean we abandon our borders (retard) it means that we have a global democracy , probably utilizing the internet, that can impose sanctions against unruley nations, like the US for instance, when they do things that are completely fucked up and not in the best interest of humanity. (dumbass)
realestMC 4 years ago
Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the impression that I was free to write whatever I wanted without being insulted by a 20 something pseudo-intellectual. If you want to make a point, then do it and don't throw shit at people. Anyway, you're under the impression that the internet has actually done shit. Which is wholly untrue. Its up to the citizens of whatever country to resist, and by resist I dont mean writing an anti-war poem and posting it on your blog.
F33bs 4 years ago 2
i havent heard them advocating absolute pacifism or isolationism. Paul, like Orwell recognize that wars are a part of the human condition and are in some cases there is just cause. However one should not confuse being against this war, with being against war all together.
mcalien24 4 years ago
I think Gravel and Kuchinich should work together more, are their political ideologies so different?
utubesucks2003 4 years ago
I agree with Gravel. Educate the public, allow them to make decisions and form a decentralized government.
overmind25 4 years ago
I always respected his honesty and passion, but outside of his views on the war and the federal reserve, he doesn't hold a candle to Ron Paul.
One World government lacks the most important check and balance of them all. We have no where to turn if government corrupts. Government will always have a monopoly on force, and Gravel wants to create to monopolize government itself.
Like all democrats he allows his quest for a government generated utopia to cloud his judgement.
boyer1786 4 years ago
internationalist...sad
HopeForAmerica 4 years ago
Hopefor: there is internationalism, and there is internationalism. He is talking about a body represented by all people that would act in opposition to the corporate interests and the governments that act to support them in economic imperialism, trashing the environment, etc.
nicholas9999 4 years ago
Seanity and Colmes
ctb619 4 years ago
Yeah I just lost all respect for his positions. I still believe he speaks the truth, but his truth is scary to me now.
shabazzmb320 4 years ago
I'm saddened to hear this as I consider myself a huge fan of Mike's,