Community Organizer questions Tea Party tactics, respects Tea Party activists

[man4godsheart]

Go to Huffingtonpost then do a search on:

bankroll tea party

Then scroll down to:

Frank Rich Takes On The Billionaire 'Sugar Daddies' Backing The Tea Party

And

Charles Koch & David Koch, Billionaire Brothers, Bankroll Tea Party

[man4godsheart]

The Billionaire KOCH Brothers, who's father founded the extreme right wing, "John Birch Society" Have founded the TEA PARTY and through many front organizations not fund it, and they are attack dogs for Koch. They are removing aby Republicans who show the slightest lean toward the middle. Out them so people know the rabid dogs they are.

[TheShannon76]

Hey everyone! ISSUE #1 at our next meeting will be: Should Annabel Park be replaced as the Leader of our party. ISSUE #2: Henceforth, we'll be known as the COMMIE PARTY (Sponsored by Obama). And our only real platform issue is to support Obama. Thanks....

[Unklebillybob]

Absolute fact: over 70% want Health Care Reform. But, over 60% of those that want Health Care Reform, DON'T WANT GOVERNMENT RUN Health Care Reform. Also, 58% want the new Democrat HC LAW Repealed.

One reason the majority of American Citizens want the new law repealed, is because of the mandatory, government run, unconstitutional language in the law.

[barrefly]

Robert Townsend said "image controls everything"? I thought it was Pete Townsend.

[barrefly]

shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it.

[CentrlFlagrl]

Yep, my Dad got the notice from his Cardiologist notifying him of the cuts to his care. Some how to me, the promise of HC for all, the seniors won't see cuts, doesn't ring true with the results. The ultimate determining factor.

One thing I think is shameful, is the way our older people have been treated, after months of making fun of old people, calling names, the President making remarks about getting all we we-ed up, race baiting, he doesn't want to hear no noise.

[rubberducky200]

All this divisiveness we hear coming from the extreme right and the extreme left. . . most of us are in between these two ideologies. Most of us share opinions of both of these political extremes. From what I have read, this is what the coffee party is about.

[RonPaulGeorgeRingo]

Anything GOOD about "tea party" (as in Ron Paul 2007-2008, you remember, the same guy that 95+% of the Reagan "conservatives" would NOT support, indeed mocked) was HIJACKED by these same corporatist GOP hypocrites (2009-2010). I, like millions, think that is tragic. Predictable, but tragic.

[StrikeTeam491]

What the left doesn't understand about the Tea Party.

It has no leader because it doesn't need one, only guiding principals. These can be found in the Declaration of Independence, and the U. S. Constitution.

Tea Partiers seek a smaller, less intrusive government, fiscal responsibility, and adherence to the Constitution. No more, no less.

Tea Party Patriots have their share of nuts with signs that piss you off... why do Tea Partiers allow it? Because the first amendment allows it.

[wildpeachatl737]

It's not just the left who doesn't understand this, as the Coffee Party is attracting members from various political ideologies. The problem with the Tea Party's public perception is that they allowed those radical and divisive voices who don't share such beliefs as you've stated, to become the face of the Party and have distorted and misrepresented the original Tea Party's objectives.

The Coffee Party has no leader. It has a founder and all chapters are autonomous.

[againsttheherd]

YOU LEFTISTS own the media.

[antiliberal1000]

Coffee party exposed at Big Journalism! Annabel park is George Soros paid shill!

[GOPsithlord]

Listen to the analogy "a child who cries because he wants attention" and I think that's about all we need to write off this cat. For all the collected cool about not forgeting people would it kill you to not condescend them, by explaining in so many words they don't understand what's in their best interest?

[JayPhilosopher]

Good points, Chad.

However, we need to understand that the capitalists who have all the money and control the institutions care only about themselves and maintaining their wealth. They suck up the ideological oxygen. We are all ideologically starving because the capitalist media and their beloved 50,000 hired teabaggers keep chanting, "Freedom to the white rich men!" That is all the capitalist media says ad nauseum. We don't need to listen. We need to tune it out. We need to love ourselves more.

[JCJ77]

You are seeing a philosophical difference when you see people in the Tea Party movement as people "working against their own self interest". People in the Tea Party movement don't see reliance on the state as anything remotely close to self interest- the unemployed guy wanted a job and to pay for his own health care. You either don't or can't understand that people want to take care of themselves and don't accept the state forcing them to pay for someone else.

[PureSoapCleans]

Was this Coffee Party put together by Jimmy Carter or Al Gore? It sound like it.

[MyHonourIsLoyalty]

Hey,coffee party I cant hear you clearly in your videos try removing obamas c@ck from your mouth when you speak.Sorry was that uncivil .

[futomaki73]

Hey Morpheus what a load of shite..............Your a community organizer perfect I think we should all become one, that will fix unemployment and healthcare. Your points The media portrays ? The media covers the tea party because of the high turn out Jack not because they control the media. Doe the tea party control PBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC. ABC, NBC, CBS, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS, HOLLYWOOD, ACORN, NAACP, ACLU AND SO ON. Also we are non partisan I almost feel off my chair I Smell ACORN

[beancube2010]

TEA Partiers moves their chruch population psychology to town halls to use some brainwashed to brainwash others. I felt like I was controlled when I was there. And deep inside I was so afraid it's the spirits of Hilter there and we'll need a lot of plans to clean up after their messes.

[MRmattconnell]

the tea party = ignorance party

[FreshAnus]

I'm all for dialogue, and I'll happily share tea or coffee with you, but I encourage you to examine the tone and content of your own video. You my have had some bad experiences with local tea party groups, but please keep in mind that it's a BIG movement with diverse opinions within it.

Best wishes and I hope we can work on the issues we have in common (bailouts perhaps?). I'll be looking into joining coffee party groups.

[akilmer]

Mr. Martin speaks wisdom. Making laws shouldn't be about Us vs Them. It should be our ideas vs your ideas, and let's talk about them so we can agree on the best idea, the idea that helps the most people.

[akilmer]

Mr. Martin speaks wisdom. Making laws shouldn't be about Liberals vs Conservatives. It should be about your ideas vs my ideas, and let's find the idea that makes the most sense for everybody.

[MrWildkat88]

excelent video! he got a good point across. "lets learn together".

[coffeepartyusa]

Thanks for giving us an opportunity to respond to this false representation, Shannon. There is no partnership. In truth, Democracy in Action is a vendor that supplies cutting-edge tools for websites. There are few like them. But the biggest reason why we chose them over other web tools vendors is that they donated their services. You didn't make it up, we know, but that doesn't mean it's accurate.

[TheShannon76]

@coffeepartyusa how is it inaccurate?? You chose them, therefore there is a partnership.

[chewbaca1989]

These videos never cite the Constitution.

Freedom brings people together.

[chewbaca1989]

I never hear about the Constitution.

This guy is right about Tea Party people fighting against their own interests. If our interests would be being leeches and sucking the life out of productive members of society.

I'm not rich, I work hard and when I make it I don't want the government, the "Coffee Party" people, stealing my money so they can be charitable with it.

This guy is very presumptuous saying he's educating Tea Party folks, when he doesn't even cite the Constitution once.

[smg1one]

I believe the US Constitution is implicit in the argument they're making.

We can have a dialogue on the issues we disagree on rather than shout at each other and demean the opposition.

He also presumes that he has something to learn from the TEA party ppl if they're willing to share their ideas with ppl that don't automatically agree with them.

Nobody wants your money or charity what we want is a government that works for the ppl now and in the future within the bounds of the US Constitution.

[SuperKixxx]

I think the tea party gets all of it's information from FOX news, that is why they are so miseducated.

[chewbaca1989]

No, sir, we actually carry the pocket Constitutions. And many of us don't watch television.

[SuperKixxx]

in other words, you live in a fantasy disconnected from whats going on in the world? I'm sure some of you are great guys, but honestly, a lot of undesirable radicals and racists are attaching themselves to you.

[chewbaca1989]

Fantasy world is believing we have the productive capacity to fund what the progressives / communists want. A worse collapse looms in the near future.

[chewbaca1989]

That light has been cast by the media and that's great, but what about what you attach yourself too? Don't tell me what you support doesn't have bad elements as well, it's just the MSM is getting you to concentrate on a minority of 10% or less. So far it's working, what do you think?

[SuperKixxx]

what do I think? I think I want nothing to do with hysterical idiots running around with pictures of Obama made to look like hitler. If you guys allow that kind of shit, it tells me everything I need to know about you.

[TheShannon76]

SPREAD THE WORD: the coffee party is partnered with democracyinaction, a 501(c)(3) organization, (meaning contributions to the latter are tax-deductible) whose motto is "wiring the progressive movement" for "social justice".

Democracyinaction gets its funding from the Open Society Institute (funded by GEORGE SOROS!). Democracyinaction is also linked to wiredforchange whose clients include the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the DEMOCRATIC Congressional Campaign Committee.

[SuperKixxx]

sounds like tea party lunacy to me

[lmcdowall]

@TheShannon76 LOL crack pot

[MikeSarno]

I agree with most everything stated in the vid, except the conclusion that the gentleman who was unemployed and without health insurance is working against his best interests by not accepting one particular health reform or another. It is a false dichotomy to limit the choices to a particular type of reform or no reform at all. I'm not sure if that's what Chad wanted to say, but that's what I heard.

[lmcdowall]

@MikeSarno If you don't have health insurance and you are protesting a bill that will get you health insurance, then you are infact going against your own interest. There is not alot of room for interpretation.

[MikeSarno]

@ lmcdowall That's a false dichotomy. There are more than two choices, so refusing one doesn't mean you are choosing the other. Perhaps the gentleman thought the cost of the proposed bill would be more than he was willing to pay? We should trust his wisdom to determine what is right for him.

[MikeSarno]

@ lmcdowall

watch?v=LVGSIrWRNJ8

[chewbaca1989]

I'm glad, the government isn't a savior, people can do better.

[lmcdowall]

Yeah, people are doing great. So great infact 45,000 of them are dying every year because they do not have health insurance. Good job!

[gaguy1967]

that 45,000 number is a lie and had been debunked. It is a 1997 study that followed people who didnt have health insurance. If they died during the study period, it was assumed they died because they didnt have health insurance...horrible methodology

[gaguy1967]

About that many die in the NHS in the UK and the UK is 1/4 the population of the USA

[NotaBeetleFan]

@lmcdowall A lot of c**p has come from Harvard. Don't fall for the "Appeal to the authority fallacy" arguments. There are other studies out there showing the variables why people die, and why they don't find healthcare, much noted to be lack of understanding of the healthcare industry, or inability to find a PCP even when obtaining insurance.

[NotaBeetleFan]

@lmcdowall Actually according to the study, it was 3% or 9004, then math of probability applied to the overall general population.

[NotaBeetleFan]

@lmcdowall And it wasn't from lack of health insurance. They don't know if they even got insurance after the interviews. LOL, I had none 20 years ago either but that does not apply to me now.

[smg1one]

I think you heard him wrong.

The TEA party was opposed* to a solution before an actual solution was ever crafted or seriously presented.

They opposed a "Public Option" witch was meant to be a compromise between the free market insurance system and a single payer system that would outlaw the free market insurance industry... they called it a government take over when it was still a basic idea/ proposal

but they never presented an alternative.

so were left with "obamacare" vs "boehnercare"

[MikeSarno]

@ smg1one Chad spoke of talking to the gentleman during the summer of '09, which implies it was after Pres Obama's June speech when he outlined his plan. It's very possible the gentleman who was unemployed understood enough about the proposal at that point to oppose it. Again, I think we can learn more from listening and trying to understand, rather than assuming those who disagree with us are simply ignorant of the pertinent facts.

[smg1one]

The legislation wasn't crafted yet. Congress had yet put all the Committee proposals together.

There was still time for all those opposed to the reforms to present alternatives. The Republicans presented alternatives that can be debated just like the President's can be debated, but opposing everything isn't a plan. I want to know what the TEA movement supports, aside from lower taxes.

Chad admitted that he himself might be missing some pertinent facts. We cant assume we know everything.

[MikeSarno]

@ smg1one "The legislation wasn't crafted yet. Congress had yet put all the Committee proposals together." There is absolutely no need to see a final draft before one can decide that a particular plan is not in one's best interest. There were many elements of the plan expressed in the June '09 speech, and it makes sense that if one opposes those elements, one may speak out against the entire plan, regardless of the stage of development.

[smg1one]

I'll agree that its all well and good to oppose anything you feel the need to oppose but at the end of the day it would still be nice to know what other solutions to the problem others might support other than cutting taxes and dropping government regulations

(or they could at least explain how that helps).

rallies have their place but its good to see ppl getting together to talk out their differences rather than shout out their unity.

[MikeSarno]

@ smg1one "it would still be nice to know what other solutions to the problem others might support " My comments have been confined only to Chad's apparent presumption that the gentleman who was unemployed was working against his best interest by opposing a particular type of health care system. Chad seemed to be assuming that the man was ignorant, in the very same video where Chad was talking about having an open dialog. The others concerns you mention are valid, just not to *this* point.

[gaguy1967]

The Tea Party cannot present an alternative plan because they have no leadership or spokespeople.

[smg1one]

true enough

... but you don't need formal leadership or spokespeople to get together and talk about what should be done with the real issues we have rather than just rallying around what shouldn't be done or who should be blamed for the issues we have.