You sure do like playing skyrim if ur level 82 but what else is their to do once u done the civil war, guilds and the main story? For me i would stop at level 50 and just start a new game with a different kind of build in order to keep finding the game more entertaining. Thats just me
The advantage to daggers is that they are SILENT, which means that if attacking from stealth it will not be heard. Knowing that fortify one-handed enchantments do not affect daggers also frees up 4 enchantment slots for other uses, if desired. Daggers are not useless, they are different. It is noted that this video is relatively old.
Although daggers dont benefit from one-handed enchants, daggers DO benefit from Armsan (5/5) so your total damage for daggers is not correct. When you factor in the added damage from Armsman, daggers will do more damage. This is also while not wearing the Shroud gloves which will X2 the damage from daggers making the modifier x30 (15 x 2 = 30), at which point daggers far surpasses one handed weapons.
@edahl6196 - maces do the most burst damage. swords do the most damage per second. war axes fall behind both and daggers are last, unless you play entirely stealth.
I've been wondering, how does weapon speed factor into it? Obviously speed isn't a factor of SA, but it is a factor in normal combat. Dual wielding with a dagger in the left hand gives a noticeable increase in speed, but I don't know the exact formula for DW speed...
I'm having a hunch that dualing a mace with a dagger would give the top DPS, but there's not enough math around to calculate that. And I don't feel like experimenting...
Can you improve/enchant the Mace of Molag Bal?? cuz its my favorite weapon. and i would like for it to go wayyy up higher like the daedric mace you improved. pleasee reply (im a noob at skyrim, so please help)
@psm00 cant you drink more than one potion at a time increasing the damage even further, or is there a cap on base damage (ie original damage without the multipliers etc) too?
The 2nd potion would purge the effect of the 1st potion, so short answer is no.
Long answer - there's a method that allows you to break those limitations (the only cap is that of binary math - get an enormous enough number and it turns negative), but it's an exploit.
Google "fortify restoration exploit" if you're interested.
@Reianor thanks. though from looking through everything a bit more, i don't need to drink ridiculous amounts of potions, especially if i follow Pms00's guide
@TheRussianEwok smithing- blisterwort, glowing mushroom, saber cat tooth and springgan sap. The gear to find smith gear is up to you. I usually put two perk points into light fingers in my pickpocket perk tree then from then on, go to town on peoples pockets. best to sneak up behind the and wait until the sneak eye shuts. Pickpocket is a great way to find enchanted items. That and going in caves, killing people, raiding fortresses and buying the item from town merchants.
My sexy ass war axes have 261 attack power beast and so far nothing has stopped me from marauding except spellweavers but once I find a magic resistance enchant it's over. Alduin ain't got a chance
@pms00 plz tell me where you got those stormcloack officer bracers? The gloves that have spikes on them? And that's soo much this helped me out a lot! :)
My Daedric daggers won't go above 99 damage. Even with 100 Enchant with all perks, a high quality smithing potion (100% increase) and fortify smithing gear.
my Daedric bow is going up to 170 but daggers only 99? wtf??
30x dammage with 600+ activations of parilize + dual flurry and savagry with deadric daggers ftw! cant beat the 4k + dammage... and i waist no points in one hand and enchantment slots in my gear and all i have to wear is double dammage gloves.. very win..
@PortablePRO - really find paralyze to be a waste of an enchant if you are going for one-hit kills, but it may help you. daggers are inferior when not sneak attacking. when sneak attacking - they are near EQUAL even at 30x (less - not better - you are wrong about the higher damage, it is lower). they are a valid playstyle and they work, but they are not the best for the majority of situations.
if you like them, use them, your method is decent and playable.
@pms00 actually dude... according to your calculations the daedric daggers > daedric maces. you may have forgotten that you get the 30x multiplier with the shrouded gloves. check it:
Dagger: 137 * 30 = 4110
Mace: 536 * 6 = 3216
Maybe with the shrouded gloves you could get a 12x multiplier for the mace?
I use the daggers for slitting, and maces for crushing faces.
@pms00 137 X 30 = 4110 (dagger with sneak perk and 2x gloves) 536 x 6 = 3216. So yes for the 1st shot daggers are higher damager according to your math. After that maces would be better for sure.
and why would you ever put your soul trap ability to 11 secs????? if you bring it down to 1 sec every swing is a activation and you never miss a gem... not only that you also get like over 2000 activations of it rather then a hundred or so...... so filling the wep up come much much less often... i roll parilize on my daggers and one hit everything with the shadow warrior ability even if i am staring them in the face.. and the off chance they dont get one hit they get parilized.......
@PortablePRO - i don't. i also don't use soul trap, i use fiery soul trap. this was more of a how-to video than 'this is the best enchant to use'. i went over that in my elemental weapon damage guide.
lmao then put the dark brotherhood double backstab dammage gloves on and do 4110 dammage instead and you can use the enchants for other things other then one hand........ daggers are by far not infirrior...
@PortablePRO The Dark Brotherhood Gloves only doubles backstab damage. That means that all your kills will have to be sneaky kills, which, against a dragon, won't be that effective. Maces' damage will always be there, be it sneak or not.
That explains a lot, but I can see why exactly they do that. Daggers can pretty much guarantee an instant kill if you sneak up on someone and use a strong melee swing, which should trigger a kill sequence of you stabbing them in the back after grabbing them, or cutting their throats, no matter the level or health. Maces can not do this.
once again if we are to trust bethesda's arithmetic and we get +50 using the four smithing fortified items then shouldn't we get a +115 to damage instead of the 111 we do get? 50*1.3+50= 50*2.3= 115. Add in the base value of 26 and we should get 141, not 137. Semantics? Maybe.
But it is pretty obvious that if we take the base value of 26 out of 137 then we get 111. Then the real power of the potion must be only 22% shown here (111-50)/50=61/50=1.22. WHAT THE FUCK BETHESDA!!! Gimme 8%!!
ok maybe I am just bad at math (kinda doubt it) but something doesn't add up bethesda
Without the 29% smithing equipment on we would get +24 to the dagger. From there we add 4 pieces that increase our skill incrementally by 29% for a total of 116% plus the base of 100% would give us 216%. But 216% of the original value of 24 (51.84) plus the base of 26 would give us a dagger at 77.84, assuming rounding to 78.
To get to 76 we must be only getting a +27% smithing boost per item ((50/24)-1)/4=.27
@SuperAwesome409 - if you are going to go tradeskills, just pick whatever weapon you have the perks for. you can even use steel. just upgrade it using similar steps to this video. the damage from daedric is not much higher and you will still get great results from a legendary steel or elven or dwarven sword.
I have a set of daedric daggers (Simply Because the look badass), a Daedric Bow with Firey Soul Trap and a seperate set of swords (Windshear and Chillrend) For Face-To-Face Fighting)
I must say though, that 100 Sneak with Shadowcloak of Nocturnal is VERY powerful.
Im just getting started with the tradeskills too, so Ill soon be unstoppable :)
@SuperAwesome409 - this comment is exactly what i am talking about. this person knows that stealth classes are great and fun, but you need a little bit more for toe to toe fighting. thank you for grasping what all these '30x gloves omg' comments are failing to get.
windshear + chillrend is really the best droppable combination you're going to find outside of making gear yourself. good choices.
@pms00 Alright, but with the shadow warrior perk you could be standing in front of them, breathing in their face and you can still get your sneak attack off. Considering you will 100% get your sneak attack in, do you still prefer the maces? Could you also tell me why. The daggers with the x30 increase is higher. I know you're tired of hearing this, but your main argument is that maces can fight up front. Daggers can too, with the shadow warrior perk.
@bibliotheek357 - what you are suggesting works. it actually works well. but it won't work in every situation. i'm not saying daggers cannot be playable. the way you are advising is probably the best way to use them.
again - the 30x damage is LOWER than mace sneak damage. people have trouble understanding this, but maces are higher even when sneaking. they also are much higher face to face.
daggers work the way you suggest. im not saying dont use it. go for it if you like it.
Sorry 4 double post but daggers could be more useful with shadow warrior as their faster attack speed makes it easier to sneak+attack fast enough to get the x15 bonus. It is certainly do-able with swords maces etc. but it's been far easier with daggers in my experience
@Nukeaholic - this is true, and i don't argue the stealth reasons at all. my standpoint is that unless you are going to stealth the large majority of your encounters, you put yourself at a real disadvantage face-to-face with daggers.
you can work around this by always fighting stealth, or by doing my elemental weapon damage guide to make dagger enchants amazing, or by having a second set of maces or swords for fighting face-to-face.
I just do absorb health and stamina on both weps. Unlimited power attacks do plenty of extra damage while allowing for unending staggering, while absorb health makes up for any other guys you can't keep staggered
@Nukeaholic - absorb stamina is a waste of an enchant. watch my ts video on cooking. vegetable soup nullifies the need for absorb stamina. use a damage enchant instead.
I like daggers for cut-throat animations. Sneaking with a mace just doesn't feel like I'm an assassin xD. I do love my Mace of Molag though. My character is a cluster fuck, he's a good sneak/tank/damage dealer.
If u want to be a dagger boss just do all the nightingale quests and get the perk that allows u to go invisible for 120 seconds 1 a day and max out sneak. finally wear siceros set that u get from the dark brotherhood
Im new with this game....and i dont know how to unlock Daedric options at the forge...........can someone explain to me? U just need to get a high level at smithing?
Can you do a video on sneak? Reviewing things like how to reach the cap in different ways including enchanting and what the difference is between different sneak levels, and the value of the unlock able perks? It would help a lot. Thanks.
it's real shame! i play as pure thief, sneak and dual daggers as main weapons, what sucks is that in one handed park there is no skills for daggers so i don't get a critical attacks i wasted one point in sword thinking that it was apply to daggers as well, but it didn't nor maces or axes -_- so i have a dark brotherhood glove that does double sneak attack damage, x30 with dagger. my daggers are weak, so i rely on shadows, if i get detected.
Use daggers when you're being sneaky, and maces, swords or mace/sword combo while in full blown combat. If you by chance feel like sneaking off again, do so.. hide and go back to sneaky dagger mode for some cutthroat action. Nobody should be saying any weapon choice is stupid. Use tactics. There are different weapons for a reason. Not just to cater to those who want to be badass or whatever.. but they all have their pros and cons. Learn to gear swap, adds another aspect. TL;DR I know, fuck you.
@QuiteHungerish - I won't say you are wrong, but if you want daggers to be useful, while still using other weapons, the amount of perks you are going to buy is overkill. I'd rather spend my points elsewhere but maybe switching it up is a good change of pace for some.
sick of the dagger argument. i just ran around with daggers tonight and the bottom line. end game, everything is a one-hit kill sneak attack on master. if you can sneak attack 100% of your kills (including dragons, good luck) then daggers are "equal". for any encounter you cannot sneak, daggers take nearly 4x as long to kill as maces that gave up a fortify one-hand slot to wear the db gloves. daggers do not win. tested. confirmed. give it up.
@pms00 When can you not sneak? If u have 100 sneak and the perk where you can turn invisible for like 2 seconds during combat, you can just crouch during full blown combat, and appear behind them for the assassination...
@Bain0o - neither. the perks arent worth it. just get dual flurry to increase attack speed and ignore all of the weapon-type specific stuff. sword perk adds less than 10 damage, bleed dps of axe is almost trivial and mace armor perk only works against 4 npc in the game.
@AlexShinesSwag - maces are best if you are going for end game quality gear with max damage to one-hit kill. swords are better if you are going to just upgrade the weapon to middle-class and plan to kill an enemy in 4-5+ hits.
You forgot two things. Daggers have less damage overall because they enjoy a higher attack speed. This may sound shitty since up-front combat with daggers does crap damage, even with power attacks. So if you can deal 2-3 backstabs before an NPC notices you, you dish out K's of damage. Secondly, you limited dagger damage output to x15 from the Assasin's Blade perk. The dark Brotherhood provides you with a piece of gear that gets the backstab multiplier to x30 Coupled with 100 Sneak Perk= ownage
@alexsamuraiuuu - don't know how many times i'm going to have to answer this but the db gloves apply to all weapons, not just daggers.
small number x 2 is less than big number x 2
daggers are great when sneak attacking, but still do less damage than every other 1h and if you can't execute a sneak attack, they lose any closeness they had to begin with. use them if you like them, but as always, they are inferior.
@volkano985 - waraxe is decent but the bleed effect doesn't do enough dps increase over time and mobs like draugr+skeleton don't take bleed damage at all, so they only have extra damage vs. bandits/forsworn/animals.
they are still great weapons and still better than daggers, but swords and maces both come out higher.
you can definitely make an argument for either but daggers attack faster and with the armsman bonus do 274 base damage plus dual savagery and dual furry bonus they definitely do the required damage also abusing shadow warrior means a lot of damage to be exact 8220. This is also useable with the maces but is 3700 damage without shrouded gloves really ruining your character you can still play with daggers and have a perfectly op character capable of one-shooting anything.
@TheDougheyMan - no. if you want daedric, you HAVE to go up the heavy armor side of the skill tree. you cannot wrap around. the left side ends at dragon.
@sweetpotaetopie - shrouded gloves effect all weapons. all dw weapons have triple hit. sorry to spoil it for you but daggers are the absolutely lowest damage. Period.
@sixinthehood - if you want the absolute best setup for every possible situation, put a mace in your primary and a sword in your offhand. stop listening to these comments from dagger-lovers that keep ignoring the math. if you want daggers because of the "RP reasons", then more power to you.
2 maces will do the most damage on the initial attack. for any encounter that the 2 maces fail to one-hit-kill, a mace-sword-mace opener with a sword followup will come out on top.
@pms00 ok than, but is it actually silent? Because with daggers you slice the throat and no-one knows. Is it similar for the maces? Also are you meaning that I intially sneak att with 2 maces in my hands and than switch to a mace with sword and start wailing with that? I'm sorry if this is getting odd, I just want a class set up that could take on those annoying dragons >_> (Sneakily preffered of course)
@sixinthehood - you could go that far if you wanted to but the time it would take to switch the weapons would be longer than an extra mace swing. swords swing faster than maces and your dual-wield re-use time is based on the speed of your offhand. in a situation where the initial power attack would be a one-hit kill with maces (most fights) the maces will win. in a situation where you would need to do the initial power attack + 1 more (handful in the game), mace+sword wins.
It's actually a 30x multiplier for sneak attacks with daggers if you go with the shrouded gloves from the dark brotherhood and the assassin's blade perk, but that's just me.
@pms00 according to the wiki Only the base damage of a weapon (the value that you see in your inventory) will be multiplied by the sneak attack multiplier and Poison and enchant damages do not get multiplied and Blacksmithing improvements that increase damage do benefit from damage multipliers. so wouldnt daggers win?
@kinetics808 - the problem is the way they are wording it. what they mean by 'what is displayed in the inventory' is the damage you see on the weapon when equipped is what gets modified. that number takes into account your perks, your fortify one-hand (for non-daggers), your skill level, etc. use their formula. what they mean by "not enchants" is not fire/frost/shock & poison damage.
if you dont like one-shotting everyhing you should just not play stealth, like me. i only use it for assasinating someone for the brotherhood or for questing with the guild.
I've also found out that your damage increases after drinking Marksman potions. My total damage with 2 perfect smithed daedric potions were 2.8k together. 1.4k each mace. try it out
Not a bad video, but it is kinda pointless, i had gear just like that and was also level 81. One shotting EVERYTHING on Master makes the game incredibly boring, thus making this technique obsolete for anyone who wants to get their moneys worth and enjoy the actual game play, although this is nice for some 12-13 year olds who only care about the killing and don't even follow the story line at all whatsoever..
i saw a video of a sneak character who drank a potion that increased bow damage by x amount for y seconds. they go on to show that the damage boost applied to the bow as well daggers. Not sure if this is a glitch or whatnot but if this is the case, wouldn't a fortify archery piece of armor make daedric daggers the best?
okay maces are stronger, so what? daggers swing a lot faster and when duel wield you can power attack with like 4 swings. plus they are lighter. sucks they dont get that bonus but they dont need it.
@mrbiscuitstuart - if you properly upgrade your maces, you will never need to swing them enough times that the speed of the dagger will be an improvement. its up to you how you want to play. the point, bottom line daggers are inferior. use them if you like them, but if you are going for "the best" then maces are the answer.
@mrbiscuitstuart - good luck finding a dagger that can kill in under 4-5 hits on master. it doesn't exist. they work good for sneaking. but face to face, they are terrible.
@ChibiEsyld That's because when you upgrade it you will noly have the base damage, to get max damage you need enchanted gear like +48% to 1h on boots, necklace, ring and gloves. That's when you'll see 500+ to damage. Also the damage gets higher the more you level up so on 100 onehanded you might have +700 to the damage.
I have 84 archery right now and my daedric bow reads at 662 damage and it improves every level.
You sure do like playing skyrim if ur level 82 but what else is their to do once u done the civil war, guilds and the main story? For me i would stop at level 50 and just start a new game with a different kind of build in order to keep finding the game more entertaining. Thats just me
coolboyglasses1 22 hours ago
@coolboyglasses1 - daedric artifacts. thane of every city. unlock every word wall / shout. dragon priest masks. bards college.
pms00 1 hour ago
The advantage to daggers is that they are SILENT, which means that if attacking from stealth it will not be heard. Knowing that fortify one-handed enchantments do not affect daggers also frees up 4 enchantment slots for other uses, if desired. Daggers are not useless, they are different. It is noted that this video is relatively old.
balsamella 3 days ago
I play entirely stealth and can 1hit almost any unit 'cept for trolls,giants.mammoths, and giants..
plus it plays the stealth kill animation
daggertail1000 3 days ago
Although daggers dont benefit from one-handed enchants, daggers DO benefit from Armsan (5/5) so your total damage for daggers is not correct. When you factor in the added damage from Armsman, daggers will do more damage. This is also while not wearing the Shroud gloves which will X2 the damage from daggers making the modifier x30 (15 x 2 = 30), at which point daggers far surpasses one handed weapons.
pufabs 4 days ago
War Axes aren't practical as one-handed weapons? I mean, they do the most damage, correct?
edahl6196 4 days ago
@edahl6196 - maces do the most burst damage. swords do the most damage per second. war axes fall behind both and daggers are last, unless you play entirely stealth.
pms00 4 days ago
I've been wondering, how does weapon speed factor into it? Obviously speed isn't a factor of SA, but it is a factor in normal combat. Dual wielding with a dagger in the left hand gives a noticeable increase in speed, but I don't know the exact formula for DW speed...
I'm having a hunch that dualing a mace with a dagger would give the top DPS, but there's not enough math around to calculate that. And I don't feel like experimenting...
Any ideas?
Reianor 1 week ago
Can you improve/enchant the Mace of Molag Bal?? cuz its my favorite weapon. and i would like for it to go wayyy up higher like the daedric mace you improved. pleasee reply (im a noob at skyrim, so please help)
HairyArabianWithAnAK 1 week ago
@HairyArabianWithAnAK You can improve it but not enchant it. Molag Bal already have enchantments.
SomePlasmid 1 week ago
@psm00 cant you drink more than one potion at a time increasing the damage even further, or is there a cap on base damage (ie original damage without the multipliers etc) too?
MrApeachtree 1 week ago
@MrApeachtree
The 2nd potion would purge the effect of the 1st potion, so short answer is no.
Long answer - there's a method that allows you to break those limitations (the only cap is that of binary math - get an enormous enough number and it turns negative), but it's an exploit.
Google "fortify restoration exploit" if you're interested.
Reianor 1 week ago
@Reianor thanks. though from looking through everything a bit more, i don't need to drink ridiculous amounts of potions, especially if i follow Pms00's guide
MrApeachtree 1 week ago
Wow a girl character with no clothes...
Watch out guys, we got a badass over here.
risla001 2 weeks ago
@IceKiller560 nah only 91
Sacul713 2 weeks ago
shrouded gloves effect all weapons, that means you will have a x12 dmg with maces and times x30 with daggers
hilebard 3 weeks ago
144 daggers x 30 (Shrouded Gloves Bonus) Wins your theorycrafting. 4320 damage (non power attack).
also, daggers benefit from marksman (in a strange way tho)
Daggers are better for Bards. Maces, for the non-stealth classes, maybe.
lemaozinho 3 weeks ago
@lemaozinho - no. shrouded gloves affect all weapons, not just daggers.
pms00 3 weeks ago 2
@lemaozinho but 536 x 12 = 6432 is still much more.
Only reason to use dagger is for the kill animation damage wise not so much.
Cythyan 1 day ago
Daggers swing wa faster though
ThaJooohnathin 3 weeks ago
What do you have to be in level 100 to be able to make weapons legendary?
IceKiller560 3 weeks ago
:O I'm in a state of shock
Where can I find the smith gear and what ingrients do I need to make 130% blacksmith potion?
TheRussianEwok 3 weeks ago
@TheRussianEwok smithing- blisterwort, glowing mushroom, saber cat tooth and springgan sap. The gear to find smith gear is up to you. I usually put two perk points into light fingers in my pickpocket perk tree then from then on, go to town on peoples pockets. best to sneak up behind the and wait until the sneak eye shuts. Pickpocket is a great way to find enchanted items. That and going in caves, killing people, raiding fortresses and buying the item from town merchants.
john1987805 2 weeks ago
if you have the gloves from the dark brotherhood sneak dammage is doubled so you get 137 x 30 = 4110
rhcpsiebe 3 weeks ago
How did you get your dragon armor with all those one handed boost?
AppLySniping 3 weeks ago
If you have Ciceros gloves you get030. 0x damage do they're beter
xzoombinis65x 3 weeks ago
i found a deadra heart inside a hagraven!!! O.O OW MAH GASH
gainfulldeath02 3 weeks ago
video helped.
Now i can be a awesome Dual weilding Daedric Badass.
darkgaiasonic 4 weeks ago
My sexy ass war axes have 261 attack power beast and so far nothing has stopped me from marauding except spellweavers but once I find a magic resistance enchant it's over. Alduin ain't got a chance
umbraheart1 4 weeks ago
Shadow Warrior gives you 1 to 1.5 seconds of invisibility, enough for a 30.0x backstab hit. I use it all the time in combat.
Tyrrsh 1 month ago
Wouldn't the speed of the daggers get the person killed quicker?
USCmc2 1 month ago
what's gonna happen if I combine fire and frost together on an item? Do I get DPS AND absorb health and stamina?
SherinChibi 1 month ago
Well yeah, you can do that, but max smithed blade of woe and max smithed mehrune's razor will come up pretty close with armsman in 5/5...
MrHulabalooFIN 1 month ago
Shrouded gloves and shrouded hand wraps make maces 12x damage
sylindrical 1 month ago
If you want to have no fun listen to this video
mrazarona 1 month ago
@pms00 plz tell me where you got those stormcloack officer bracers? The gloves that have spikes on them? And that's soo much this helped me out a lot! :)
zombinukzz 1 month ago
all three parts are amazing! thanks so much
fragen13 1 month ago
Can someone help me please?
My Daedric daggers won't go above 99 damage. Even with 100 Enchant with all perks, a high quality smithing potion (100% increase) and fortify smithing gear.
my Daedric bow is going up to 170 but daggers only 99? wtf??
porlino87 1 month ago
30x dammage with 600+ activations of parilize + dual flurry and savagry with deadric daggers ftw! cant beat the 4k + dammage... and i waist no points in one hand and enchantment slots in my gear and all i have to wear is double dammage gloves.. very win..
PortablePRO 1 month ago
@PortablePRO - really find paralyze to be a waste of an enchant if you are going for one-hit kills, but it may help you. daggers are inferior when not sneak attacking. when sneak attacking - they are near EQUAL even at 30x (less - not better - you are wrong about the higher damage, it is lower). they are a valid playstyle and they work, but they are not the best for the majority of situations.
if you like them, use them, your method is decent and playable.
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@pms00 actually dude... according to your calculations the daedric daggers > daedric maces. you may have forgotten that you get the 30x multiplier with the shrouded gloves. check it:
Dagger: 137 * 30 = 4110
Mace: 536 * 6 = 3216
Maybe with the shrouded gloves you could get a 12x multiplier for the mace?
I use the daggers for slitting, and maces for crushing faces.
porlino87 1 month ago
@pms00 137 X 30 = 4110 (dagger with sneak perk and 2x gloves) 536 x 6 = 3216. So yes for the 1st shot daggers are higher damager according to your math. After that maces would be better for sure.
Pudds1234 1 month ago
@Pudds1234 The mace benefits from the 2x gloves as well.
The only advantage of daggers over the mace is that daggers are silent.
DustyScythe 1 month ago
and why would you ever put your soul trap ability to 11 secs????? if you bring it down to 1 sec every swing is a activation and you never miss a gem... not only that you also get like over 2000 activations of it rather then a hundred or so...... so filling the wep up come much much less often... i roll parilize on my daggers and one hit everything with the shadow warrior ability even if i am staring them in the face.. and the off chance they dont get one hit they get parilized.......
PortablePRO 1 month ago
@PortablePRO - i don't. i also don't use soul trap, i use fiery soul trap. this was more of a how-to video than 'this is the best enchant to use'. i went over that in my elemental weapon damage guide.
pms00 1 month ago
lmao then put the dark brotherhood double backstab dammage gloves on and do 4110 dammage instead and you can use the enchants for other things other then one hand........ daggers are by far not infirrior...
PortablePRO 1 month ago
@PortablePRO The Dark Brotherhood Gloves only doubles backstab damage. That means that all your kills will have to be sneaky kills, which, against a dragon, won't be that effective. Maces' damage will always be there, be it sneak or not.
mrbuddha2026 1 month ago
@PortablePRO - the damage is still lower when not sneaking. you do make a point about saving enchants, however.
pms00 1 month ago
That explains a lot, but I can see why exactly they do that. Daggers can pretty much guarantee an instant kill if you sneak up on someone and use a strong melee swing, which should trigger a kill sequence of you stabbing them in the back after grabbing them, or cutting their throats, no matter the level or health. Maces can not do this.
tangletailpro 1 month ago
You man lots of sense in your videos.
imhere4help 1 month ago
how do I make fortify smithing potion? must I be in a high alchemy level?
Sigheg402 1 month ago
@Sigheg402 - yes. see the # 1.5 guide and read the description of the videos for recipes
pms00 1 month ago
OH YEAH? Well my legendary ebony sword does 35 damage! HAH!
Miner2400 1 month ago
once again if we are to trust bethesda's arithmetic and we get +50 using the four smithing fortified items then shouldn't we get a +115 to damage instead of the 111 we do get? 50*1.3+50= 50*2.3= 115. Add in the base value of 26 and we should get 141, not 137. Semantics? Maybe.
But it is pretty obvious that if we take the base value of 26 out of 137 then we get 111. Then the real power of the potion must be only 22% shown here (111-50)/50=61/50=1.22. WHAT THE FUCK BETHESDA!!! Gimme 8%!!
SPFrobber 1 month ago in playlist Skyrim Tradeskills - Make the Best Armor / Weapons
ok maybe I am just bad at math (kinda doubt it) but something doesn't add up bethesda
Without the 29% smithing equipment on we would get +24 to the dagger. From there we add 4 pieces that increase our skill incrementally by 29% for a total of 116% plus the base of 100% would give us 216%. But 216% of the original value of 24 (51.84) plus the base of 26 would give us a dagger at 77.84, assuming rounding to 78.
To get to 76 we must be only getting a +27% smithing boost per item ((50/24)-1)/4=.27
SPFrobber 1 month ago in playlist Skyrim Tradeskills - Make the Best Armor / Weapons
Use the dark brotherhood gloves for 30x making it do a lot more damage
3p1cn3ss1 1 month ago
quick question though... what would be the best "second" sword i could get/make?
I already have Windshear, and am mainly Stealth-Based
SuperAwesome409 1 month ago
@SuperAwesome409 - if you are going to go tradeskills, just pick whatever weapon you have the perks for. you can even use steel. just upgrade it using similar steps to this video. the damage from daedric is not much higher and you will still get great results from a legendary steel or elven or dwarven sword.
pms00 1 month ago
I have a set of daedric daggers (Simply Because the look badass), a Daedric Bow with Firey Soul Trap and a seperate set of swords (Windshear and Chillrend) For Face-To-Face Fighting)
I must say though, that 100 Sneak with Shadowcloak of Nocturnal is VERY powerful.
Im just getting started with the tradeskills too, so Ill soon be unstoppable :)
SuperAwesome409 1 month ago
@SuperAwesome409 - this comment is exactly what i am talking about. this person knows that stealth classes are great and fun, but you need a little bit more for toe to toe fighting. thank you for grasping what all these '30x gloves omg' comments are failing to get.
windshear + chillrend is really the best droppable combination you're going to find outside of making gear yourself. good choices.
pms00 1 month ago
@pms00 Alright, but with the shadow warrior perk you could be standing in front of them, breathing in their face and you can still get your sneak attack off. Considering you will 100% get your sneak attack in, do you still prefer the maces? Could you also tell me why. The daggers with the x30 increase is higher. I know you're tired of hearing this, but your main argument is that maces can fight up front. Daggers can too, with the shadow warrior perk.
bibliotheek357 1 month ago
@bibliotheek357 - what you are suggesting works. it actually works well. but it won't work in every situation. i'm not saying daggers cannot be playable. the way you are advising is probably the best way to use them.
again - the 30x damage is LOWER than mace sneak damage. people have trouble understanding this, but maces are higher even when sneaking. they also are much higher face to face.
daggers work the way you suggest. im not saying dont use it. go for it if you like it.
pms00 1 month ago
Sorry 4 double post but daggers could be more useful with shadow warrior as their faster attack speed makes it easier to sneak+attack fast enough to get the x15 bonus. It is certainly do-able with swords maces etc. but it's been far easier with daggers in my experience
Nukeaholic 1 month ago
@Nukeaholic - this is true, and i don't argue the stealth reasons at all. my standpoint is that unless you are going to stealth the large majority of your encounters, you put yourself at a real disadvantage face-to-face with daggers.
you can work around this by always fighting stealth, or by doing my elemental weapon damage guide to make dagger enchants amazing, or by having a second set of maces or swords for fighting face-to-face.
pms00 1 month ago
I just do absorb health and stamina on both weps. Unlimited power attacks do plenty of extra damage while allowing for unending staggering, while absorb health makes up for any other guys you can't keep staggered
Nukeaholic 1 month ago
@Nukeaholic - absorb stamina is a waste of an enchant. watch my ts video on cooking. vegetable soup nullifies the need for absorb stamina. use a damage enchant instead.
pms00 1 month ago
lol... 15x damage... just do some quests for the dark brotherhood and you get shrouded gloves to make that 30x damage
AREAxrs 1 month ago
@AREAxrs - lol..do the math...the gloves apply to all one-handed weapons. the daggers still do less damage. 100 x 30 < 500 x 12.
pms00 1 month ago
@pms00 on adept will I ever even need over 3k damage?! 0-o
sixinthehood 1 month ago
@sixinthehood - not on adept. but the better question is once you make this gear, why are you still playing on adept? ><
pms00 1 month ago
@pms00 cus the dragons are a bitch for a stealth guy who is forced to fight them head on >_>
sixinthehood 1 month ago
@pms00 trollers get trolled lol
AtomicPimpTime 1 month ago
but there's (almost) always two daggers, not always two maces. and the daggers weigh less.
And because Daggers aren't effected by armor bonuses, it allows you to spend them elsewhere. Like on magic abilities, or archery, etc.
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It's very much based on the playstyle; however when you deal over 2k damage you're probably going to two-hit most everything.
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It's all very much based on the playstyle, some people just don't like maces, like myself.
Statistically, they may be stronger, but... yeah.
murphy54000 1 month ago
I like daggers for cut-throat animations. Sneaking with a mace just doesn't feel like I'm an assassin xD. I do love my Mace of Molag though. My character is a cluster fuck, he's a good sneak/tank/damage dealer.
xDrought 1 month ago
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How do you get a daedric dagger that already has 26 damage. Mine had 18 at first and then went up to only 35. Please help.
HeyGuys486 1 month ago
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iraklizhuzhu 1 month ago
surely if you are stealthing it would be better to use daggers than maces and swords
MrYellowChello 1 month ago
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MrYellowChello 1 month ago
If u want to be a dagger boss just do all the nightingale quests and get the perk that allows u to go invisible for 120 seconds 1 a day and max out sneak. finally wear siceros set that u get from the dark brotherhood
HSKsandstorm 1 month ago
whats up with the level 132 enchanting?
superguppyful 1 month ago
Simply wear Ancient Shrouded Armor set and you have a x30 damage instead of x15. That is what I did.
NiggvaR 1 month ago
I prefer no enchantment on one so I can use elemental fury
mathal13 1 month ago
Where did he find/ how did he make the Potion of Fortifying Smiting? Please help!
xKijeva 2 months ago
@xKijeva - read the video description
pms00 2 months ago
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Im new with this game....and i dont know how to unlock Daedric options at the forge...........can someone explain to me? U just need to get a high level at smithing?
GabrielMafiazicca 2 months ago
duel wielding Dawnbreaker sword's just for style :-) I maxed out their damage to nearly 300 I think, i dislike 3 hitting Ancient dragons.
Wivyr 2 months ago
Can you do a video on sneak? Reviewing things like how to reach the cap in different ways including enchanting and what the difference is between different sneak levels, and the value of the unlock able perks? It would help a lot. Thanks.
rickstir10 2 months ago
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buuburn7 2 months ago
it's real shame! i play as pure thief, sneak and dual daggers as main weapons, what sucks is that in one handed park there is no skills for daggers so i don't get a critical attacks i wasted one point in sword thinking that it was apply to daggers as well, but it didn't nor maces or axes -_- so i have a dark brotherhood glove that does double sneak attack damage, x30 with dagger. my daggers are weak, so i rely on shadows, if i get detected.
PQ5 2 months ago
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can i increase the damage of 1h axes with the armor enchantments? because he only says sword and maces...
arkkanus 2 months ago
were did you find all the armor enchantments ive been looking and i cant find good ones
staticx2552 2 months ago
@staticx2552 keep checking those vendors for apparel section.
pms00 2 months ago
Use daggers when you're being sneaky, and maces, swords or mace/sword combo while in full blown combat. If you by chance feel like sneaking off again, do so.. hide and go back to sneaky dagger mode for some cutthroat action. Nobody should be saying any weapon choice is stupid. Use tactics. There are different weapons for a reason. Not just to cater to those who want to be badass or whatever.. but they all have their pros and cons. Learn to gear swap, adds another aspect. TL;DR I know, fuck you.
QuiteHungerish 2 months ago
@QuiteHungerish - I won't say you are wrong, but if you want daggers to be useful, while still using other weapons, the amount of perks you are going to buy is overkill. I'd rather spend my points elsewhere but maybe switching it up is a good change of pace for some.
pms00 2 months ago
If you have a bunch of armor with 2 handed weapon is stronger enchantment will it work with bows?
YourMomstinky 2 months ago
@YourMomstinky no you need fortify archery
shane33364 2 months ago
sick of the dagger argument. i just ran around with daggers tonight and the bottom line. end game, everything is a one-hit kill sneak attack on master. if you can sneak attack 100% of your kills (including dragons, good luck) then daggers are "equal". for any encounter you cannot sneak, daggers take nearly 4x as long to kill as maces that gave up a fortify one-hand slot to wear the db gloves. daggers do not win. tested. confirmed. give it up.
pms00 2 months ago
@pms00 When can you not sneak? If u have 100 sneak and the perk where you can turn invisible for like 2 seconds during combat, you can just crouch during full blown combat, and appear behind them for the assassination...
xfireball929x 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@pms00
so,swords or maces?
Bain0o 2 months ago
@Bain0o - mace in primary hand, sword in offhand.
pms00 2 months ago
@pms00
damn...not bad.not bad.And which should I skill?
Bain0o 2 months ago
@Bain0o - neither. the perks arent worth it. just get dual flurry to increase attack speed and ignore all of the weapon-type specific stuff. sword perk adds less than 10 damage, bleed dps of axe is almost trivial and mace armor perk only works against 4 npc in the game.
pms00 2 months ago
@pms00 alrite thnx man ill go with swords cuz I dont want it to be too easy and make a backup mace just in case the enemy is too strong
AlexShinesSwag 2 months ago
Guys whats better swords or maces?
AlexShinesSwag 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@AlexShinesSwag - maces are best if you are going for end game quality gear with max damage to one-hit kill. swords are better if you are going to just upgrade the weapon to middle-class and plan to kill an enemy in 4-5+ hits.
pms00 2 months ago
how is ur daedric daggers base damage 26?.. Mines only 17...
THExPR0D1GY 2 months ago
Lol, going past 100% is just beyond over kill.
ReignlawXV 2 months ago
You forgot two things. Daggers have less damage overall because they enjoy a higher attack speed. This may sound shitty since up-front combat with daggers does crap damage, even with power attacks. So if you can deal 2-3 backstabs before an NPC notices you, you dish out K's of damage. Secondly, you limited dagger damage output to x15 from the Assasin's Blade perk. The dark Brotherhood provides you with a piece of gear that gets the backstab multiplier to x30 Coupled with 100 Sneak Perk= ownage
alexsamuraiuuu 2 months ago
@alexsamuraiuuu - don't know how many times i'm going to have to answer this but the db gloves apply to all weapons, not just daggers.
small number x 2 is less than big number x 2
daggers are great when sneak attacking, but still do less damage than every other 1h and if you can't execute a sneak attack, they lose any closeness they had to begin with. use them if you like them, but as always, they are inferior.
pms00 2 months ago
why does everyone underestimate the waraxe
volkano985 2 months ago
@volkano985 - waraxe is decent but the bleed effect doesn't do enough dps increase over time and mobs like draugr+skeleton don't take bleed damage at all, so they only have extra damage vs. bandits/forsworn/animals.
they are still great weapons and still better than daggers, but swords and maces both come out higher.
pms00 2 months ago
does anyone know if their is a damage limit or how the highest health of a monster on master
guitarlover42 2 months ago
you can definitely make an argument for either but daggers attack faster and with the armsman bonus do 274 base damage plus dual savagery and dual furry bonus they definitely do the required damage also abusing shadow warrior means a lot of damage to be exact 8220. This is also useable with the maces but is 3700 damage without shrouded gloves really ruining your character you can still play with daggers and have a perfectly op character capable of one-shooting anything.
guitarlover42 2 months ago
two questions: Can you go from Glass smithing to Dragon Smithing to Daedric smithing?
I thought the max level was 80?
TheDougheyMan 2 months ago
@TheDougheyMan - no. if you want daedric, you HAVE to go up the heavy armor side of the skill tree. you cannot wrap around. the left side ends at dragon.
pms00 2 months ago
Shrouded gloves plus triple hit equals 12000 damage. Daggers do the most damage. Period.
sweetpotaetopie 2 months ago
@sweetpotaetopie - shrouded gloves effect all weapons. all dw weapons have triple hit. sorry to spoil it for you but daggers are the absolutely lowest damage. Period.
pms00 2 months ago 2
@pms00 BUT! They do look cool. (Even though I use swords)
j3fr135 2 months ago
@pms00 BUT! They do look cool. (Even though I use swords)
j3fr135 2 months ago
wait so if I'm being a stealth person I want maces and not daggers? oh :/
sixinthehood 2 months ago
@sixinthehood Nah man, go dagger + join dark brotherhood
alexsamuraiuuu 2 months ago
@alexsamuraiuuu wait but... wha... So much clashing information >_>. Ok I'll just go dagger dual sneaky stabby slicy than
sixinthehood 2 months ago
@sixinthehood - if you want the absolute best setup for every possible situation, put a mace in your primary and a sword in your offhand. stop listening to these comments from dagger-lovers that keep ignoring the math. if you want daggers because of the "RP reasons", then more power to you.
2 maces will do the most damage on the initial attack. for any encounter that the 2 maces fail to one-hit-kill, a mace-sword-mace opener with a sword followup will come out on top.
pms00 2 months ago
@pms00 ok than, but is it actually silent? Because with daggers you slice the throat and no-one knows. Is it similar for the maces? Also are you meaning that I intially sneak att with 2 maces in my hands and than switch to a mace with sword and start wailing with that? I'm sorry if this is getting odd, I just want a class set up that could take on those annoying dragons >_> (Sneakily preffered of course)
sixinthehood 2 months ago
@sixinthehood - you could go that far if you wanted to but the time it would take to switch the weapons would be longer than an extra mace swing. swords swing faster than maces and your dual-wield re-use time is based on the speed of your offhand. in a situation where the initial power attack would be a one-hit kill with maces (most fights) the maces will win. in a situation where you would need to do the initial power attack + 1 more (handful in the game), mace+sword wins.
pms00 2 months ago
@pms00 hmmm ok, thanks for the advice. Oh and also, you prob forgot to answer but is a sneak mace kill silent like a dagger throat slice?
sixinthehood 2 months ago
It's actually a 30x multiplier for sneak attacks with daggers if you go with the shrouded gloves from the dark brotherhood and the assassin's blade perk, but that's just me.
rickroller420 2 months ago
@rickroller420 small number x2 is less than big number x 2. the gloves apply to every 1h, not just daggers. daggers lose.
pms00 2 months ago
@pms00 according to the wiki Only the base damage of a weapon (the value that you see in your inventory) will be multiplied by the sneak attack multiplier and Poison and enchant damages do not get multiplied and Blacksmithing improvements that increase damage do benefit from damage multipliers. so wouldnt daggers win?
kinetics808 2 months ago
@kinetics808 - the problem is the way they are wording it. what they mean by 'what is displayed in the inventory' is the damage you see on the weapon when equipped is what gets modified. that number takes into account your perks, your fortify one-hand (for non-daggers), your skill level, etc. use their formula. what they mean by "not enchants" is not fire/frost/shock & poison damage.
pms00 2 months ago
@kinetics808 - formula from the wiki, which is accurate as to what gets displayed as damage in the item window:
displayed damage = (base damage + smithing increase) * (1 + 0.5 * skill/100) * (1 + perk effects) * (1 + item effects)
Perk Effects = .2 * Barbarian or Armsman
pms00 2 months ago
can't you get the shrouded handwraps to give another 2x sneak bonus?
nairbil 2 months ago
@nairbil yes. it applies to all 1h weapons though, so it is not an argument for daggers.
pms00 2 months ago
Can't you just do this with 100 smithing skill?
enragedmilk 2 months ago
@enragedmilk - your stats will be less than half of what you'll get by enchanting & alchemy. if is up to you if that is good enough for you.
pms00 2 months ago
When you use the potion to increase the damage massively, does the damage stay like that for ever?
NoHardScoping 2 months ago
@NoHardScoping - yes. this is not any kind of exploit. this is a permanent increase to damage via alchemy.
pms00 2 months ago
how do i get this potions?
and which things i need?
Pk2hell 2 months ago
@pms00 how did you get the daedric daggers?
RoeJead 2 months ago
@RoeJead - smithing
pms00 2 months ago
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RoeJead 2 months ago
how come you only have 137dmg on the daggers? I got 176dmg on my glass daggers O.O
maggern666 2 months ago
if you dont like one-shotting everyhing you should just not play stealth, like me. i only use it for assasinating someone for the brotherhood or for questing with the guild.
DamijanNaruto 2 months ago
but when you sneak power attack dont you hit four times so it wouldnt it be 137x 15 x 4 = 8220
and you could potentially double that with shrouded gloves.
hueylicious 2 months ago
@hueylicious you also hit four times with the mace so youre only making the difference bigger :/
DamijanNaruto 2 months ago
My bad. I meant perfect smithed daedric Maces*
mhBLANK 2 months ago
I've also found out that your damage increases after drinking Marksman potions. My total damage with 2 perfect smithed daedric potions were 2.8k together. 1.4k each mace. try it out
mhBLANK 2 months ago
Not a bad video, but it is kinda pointless, i had gear just like that and was also level 81. One shotting EVERYTHING on Master makes the game incredibly boring, thus making this technique obsolete for anyone who wants to get their moneys worth and enjoy the actual game play, although this is nice for some 12-13 year olds who only care about the killing and don't even follow the story line at all whatsoever..
CrimiinalMiinded 2 months ago 2
is part four out yet>?
lagdance 2 months ago
@lagdance - think we're up to 7 or 8 now. there hasnt been another one on weapons yet.
pms00 2 months ago
how do you add fire damage on a legendary daedric sword or bow?
Rhynorune 2 months ago
indeed. maces all that plus armor piercing
tiberias111 2 months ago
my ebony armor is 88 armor rating(legendary) and it cost 13k lol
dotaboi1 2 months ago
i saw a video of a sneak character who drank a potion that increased bow damage by x amount for y seconds. they go on to show that the damage boost applied to the bow as well daggers. Not sure if this is a glitch or whatnot but if this is the case, wouldn't a fortify archery piece of armor make daedric daggers the best?
xblitzceek13x 2 months ago
did u forget shrouded gloves which is x2 backstab so 30x137 4110 damage
kiwinightstalker 2 months ago
@kiwinightstalker - nope, already commented on that. the db armor applies to everything. the maces still get the same x2 and still do more damage.
pms00 2 months ago
now imagine this with my armor that all 4 pieces have 25% smithing. that means that its 100% + the 130% potion. BEAST.
SilentSerpant18 2 months ago
okay maces are stronger, so what? daggers swing a lot faster and when duel wield you can power attack with like 4 swings. plus they are lighter. sucks they dont get that bonus but they dont need it.
mrbiscuitstuart 2 months ago
@mrbiscuitstuart - if you properly upgrade your maces, you will never need to swing them enough times that the speed of the dagger will be an improvement. its up to you how you want to play. the point, bottom line daggers are inferior. use them if you like them, but if you are going for "the best" then maces are the answer.
pms00 2 months ago
@pms00 im sure either weapon can one hit about anything so if ur 1 hitting everything the dmg wont matter beyond that point, while speed will
mrbiscuitstuart 1 month ago
@mrbiscuitstuart - good luck finding a dagger that can kill in under 4-5 hits on master. it doesn't exist. they work good for sneaking. but face to face, they are terrible.
pms00 1 month ago
Level 81 I honestly thought their would of been a cap at level 50 or did you do something to get past 50 I'm only at level 41 atm neway.
POLChelseaFC 2 months ago
@POLChelseaFC - you can keep gaining experience until all skills reach 100
pms00 2 months ago
My cousin is out hunting dragons and what do I get? An arrow to the knee.
IMsuperDUPERable 2 months ago
If i enchanted things to legendary with like 50 damage or something can i enchant further in damage?
IMsuperDUPERable 2 months ago
dude how did u save 30 perk points man?
if it were me i would hav spent them
alexjamparo 2 months ago
I have upgraded my 1h skills but can only get max of 224 and not 546. Must be 'cos of the new patch on PS3.
ChibiEsyld 2 months ago
@ChibiEsyld That's because when you upgrade it you will noly have the base damage, to get max damage you need enchanted gear like +48% to 1h on boots, necklace, ring and gloves. That's when you'll see 500+ to damage. Also the damage gets higher the more you level up so on 100 onehanded you might have +700 to the damage.
I have 84 archery right now and my daedric bow reads at 662 damage and it improves every level.
Garoninja1 2 months ago