Eddie hart and Ray Robinson (both from the Univ. of Alabama) would have probably finished 1/2, both being faster than either Taylor or Borzov. Their dq was total bullshit. I was there with my father. Crawford came up lame. Borzov earned the 200m outright, but the 100 was a joke.
@58telecaster RF No, I think Valeri Borzov won and would have won even if the 2 other runners were there. The fact that he won the 200 M is proof that Valeri was a winner. and fast But to be honest, who knows? It's all conjecture. Who knows who would have won?
@mortella23 I presume that you are referring to the big Trinidadian sprinter, Hasely Crawford (who was running in lane 2). He stopped sprinting in that race because he sustained a painful hamstring injury.
Incidentally, Crawford's 'day in the sun' was to arrive 4 years later - at the 1976 Olympic Games in Montreal, Canada. He became the Olympic 100 metres sprint champion at those games. (His winning time was 10.06 - which was considered very fast indeed back in those days.)
They should add an extra lane for an "average joe" contestant. Simply take some random person from off the street and put them in an Olympic race to let everyone in the world see how even the athlete that finishes last is STILL worlds ahead of an average joe
@BlackFox0911 LOL! That may not be such bad idea, actually, Mr "BlackFox". Of course, modern athletics tracks (unlike those of 1972) do usually have a extra lane - for the short sprint races.
Let us assume (just for the sake of argument) that Mr 'Average' - in his physical prime between the ages of, say, 22 and 28 - is capable of returning a time of 13.50/13.60 for the 100 metres sprint (electronically timed). That means that the "average Joe" - as you call him - would have
@BlackFox0911 [continuing on from my previous 'post' about the sprinting ability of Mr 'Average'.]
finished at least 26 METRES behind Valeriy Borzov - the great Ukranian speedster of the 1970's - in that Olympic 100m sprint final in Munich, on 1st September 1972.
It is worth mentioning that back in those days - almost 40 years ago - athletics tracks were not quite as "fast" as they are today - in the early part of the 21st century. Therefore, it is probably true to say that
@BlackFox0911 [continuing on from my previous 'post' about the sprinting ability of Mr 'Average'.]
back in 1972, the "average Joe" would not have been capable of sprinting 100m in less than 13.70 seconds - even on a top class synthetic track, such as the one that was used for the Munich Olympics. So when I stated that Mr 'Average' would have finished 26 metres behind Valeriy Borzov in a 100 metres sprint race (when the Ukranian sprint superstar was in his prime) I was probably being too
[Continuing on from my previous 'posts' about Valeriy Borzov]: As I say, I do not wish to belittle the achievements of the top two American sprinters of 1972 - Eddie Hart and Rey Robinson. They were indeed great sprinters in their heyday - as Borzov himself has been gracious enough to acknowledge.
That said, I remain convinced that Borzov's decisive victories - in the 100m and 200m sprint events at the 1972 Olympic Games - gave him the right to be called the greatest sprinter on
@broadjumper1 Sir: I think I am correct in saying that Usain Bolt's world record time of 9.58 converts to a 100 yards time of 8.844 (give or take 0.02) of a second. Am I right about this?
Someone claimed on 'You Tube' recently that the big Jamaican's 100 metres WR converts to a time of 8.5 for the 100 yards. Common sense would dictate that, that is not so ... yes?
[Continuing on from my previous 'posts' about Valeriy Borzov] 10.07 (fully automatic electronic timing). As all knowledgeable athletics competitors, pundits and fans know, an electronic time of 10.07 is equivalent to - if not better than - a manual time of 9.9.
In saying that I mean no disrespect to Mr Edward Hart and Mr Reynaud Robinson, the two American sprinters who were both timed at 9.9 seconds in the final of the 100m sprint at their national Olympic trials, back in July, 1972.
[Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov] behind the proverbial iron curtain - at events such as the Soviet Union championships - were more efficient (and possibly more honest) time-keepers than their American counterparts !!
Certainly it is true to say that several of the Western sprinters who (allegedly) ran the 100 metres in 9.9 seconds during the 1970's were inferior sprinters to Mr Borzov - whose official personal bests were: 10.0 (manual) and
Valeriy Borzov was such a great sprinter in his heyday - the early 1970's - that one wonders why he never managed to return a (manual) time of 9.9 seconds for the 100 metres. After all, as far back as the summer of 1969 - when he was still only a kid of 19 - he won the 100 metres title at the Soviet Union championships in a time of 10.0. One suspects that, in 1971 and '72, when this great sprinter was at the peak of his powers, the officials who timed his performances
SpectraView1: I believe that an American sprinter of the 1970's by the name of Harvey Glance ran the 100 metres in "9.9", during the run-up to the Montreal Olympic Games in 1976. But the great Valeriy Borzov beat Mr Glance - by at least half-a-metre - in the Olympic final that summer. I might add that Borzov had been plagued by injury "issues" (as they say in modern parlance) for much of the two year period immediately prior to those Olympic Games.
@anastasi69 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: of possibility that they would not have performed as well - in the 'cauldron' of Olympic competition - as they had done at the Olympic trials.
It is worth pointing out, at this juncture, that the great Valeriy Borzov was an ice-cool and super-confident competitior, who never failed to produce his best form at major championships, such as the Olympic Games and 'Europeans'.
@anastasi69 [Continued on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: was accurate (extremely unlikely, I feel) that does not necessarily mean that they would have managed to replicate that performance at the Olympic Games in Munich. Many highly talented athletes - over the years - have 'cracked' under the enormous pressure that competing in the Olympics entails. I am not saying that Hart & Robinson would definitely have come into that category ...... but it is well within the bounds
@anastasi69 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: is fully entitled to be sceptical of the "official" times accredited to Mr Hart and Robinson after the 100 metres sprint final at those trials. Indeed, there are many knowledgeable athletics pundits and experts who believe that Hart and Robinson did not even break 10.10 secs for the 100 metres that day ..... let alone 10.00.
Secondly, I would like to point out that, even if Robinson and Hart's "official" time of 9.9 secs
@TheEctomorph And I have to add that only inches separated Hart, Robinson, AND Taylor at the '72 trials. What the media fails to mention is that Taylor was also timed in the same hand-timed 9.9 . The best Taylor could manage in the '72 Olympics was 10.16 in the semi-finals. That's just about what their hand-timed 9.9's were back in '72. When Borzov also won the 200 meters it incensed the American media. After he won that race some of them had to call him the fastest man in the world.
@SpectraView1 Sir: I don't agree with all of the comments that you have 'posted' on this You Tube board of late ...... but I certainly agree wholeheartedly with that one.
I did not realize that Robert Taylor (as well as Edward Hart and Reynaud Robinson) had been credited with a time of "9.9" seconds at the U.S. Olympic trials, back in the summer of 1972. Interesting piece of information, that ...... and it just goes to show how unreliable and inaccurate hand-timing is!
@anastasi69 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: and Robinson would have beaten Borzov at the Olympics" well, that is not a logical argument at all. For one thing, it is extremely unlikely that Mr Hart and Mr Robinson broke the 10 second barrier (for the 100m sprint) at the U.S. Olympic trials in the summer of '72. Back in those days - nearly 40 years ago - fully automatic electronic timing was not used by the Americans at their Olympic trials. Therefore, one
@anastasi69 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: of the race. May I remind you, sir, that, at the American Olympic trials (which took place in the July of 1972), Edwart Hart and Reynaud Robinson only just managed to beat Mr Taylor ..... and they were bursting a gut, so to speak.
With regard to the frequently used argument that "Hart and Robinson ran the 100 metres in 9.9 seconds at the Olympic trials; Borzov never ran a sub-10 second time in his life; therefore Hart
@anastasi69 Believe that if that is what you want to believe. The facts point to the conclusion that Mr Borzov - not Mr Hart or Mr Robinson - was the fastest sprinter on God's Earth back in 1972.
In the final of the 100 metres sprint at the Olympic Games, on 1st September of that year, Borzov comfortably beat a chap called Robert Taylor (of the U.S.A.). Borzov's margin of victory was a full metre - substantial in a race as short as 100m - and he eased up during the final five metres
@broadjumper1 [Continuing on from my previous'post' about Mr Allan Wells] psychologically flawed Jamaican sprinter - at the Athens Olympics in August 2004 ... and again four years later in Beijing.
Finally, I would just like to make the point that Mr Allan Wells was - and indeed still is - a man of integrity. During his fairly lengthy and distinguished career as an international athlete, he never failed a drug test (which is more than can be said for Mr Justin Gatlin - among others).
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Allan Wells]: Mr Floyd would have beaten Mr Wells in the Olympic 100 metres final that year - had they had not been denied the opportunity to compete in Moscow, due to the American boycott. It is well within the bounds of possibility that the two American speedsters would have 'cracked' under the pressure which competing in an Olympic final entails. That is exactly what happened to Mr Asafa Powell - the brilliant but
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Allan Wells]: opportunity to compete in those controversial Olympic Games. I believe that, back in 1980, Floyd fastest (legitimate) time for 100m was 10.07 ..... and Sandford's was somewhat faster at 10.02. Of course, both of those times were superior to Allan Wells' personal best (10.11), which was set in the quarter-final of the 100m sprint competition in Moscow. However, that fact does not prove that Mr Sandford and/or
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Allan Wells]: than Wells was at his zenith, in the summer of '80.
Having said all that, I do think that Wells was a very good sprinter, albeit not a great one. Also, I feel I should point out that you cannot be 100% certain, by any means, that he would have been defeated (in the 100 metres Olympic final, Moscow 1980) by the top two American sprinters of the era - Jim Sandford and Stanley Floyd - had those athletes had the
@broadjumper1: [Continuning on from my previous 'post' about Mr Allan Wells]: previously. Although I have a great deal of respect for Wells, I would agree that, back in the summer of 1980 (when he was at the peak of his sprinting powers) he was not as good a sprinter as Borzov had been in his prime - almost a decade earlier, I would even say that, back in 1976 (when the distinguished Ukranian sprinter was no longer in his prime, physically/athletically) he was probably a better sprinter
@broadjumper1 [Continuing on from my previous post about Mr Allan Wells]: board that I do not consider Wells to have been one of the greatest sprinters of all time. He was indeed fortunate that, back in 1980, the Olympic 100 metres final did not comprise any American sprinters. He was also fortunate that his European opponents in that race did not include anyone of the calibre of Valeriy Borzov; the Ukranian sprinter who had won the coveted sprint 'double' at the Munich Olympics, some 8 years
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous post about "high altitude" sprint performances]: is equivalent to a high altitude time of 19.65.
I would even say that Borzov's fine time of 20.00 (which, back in '72, was a "sea level" world best) was not even equivalent to an altitude-assisted time of 19.78. It would be more realistic, IMHO, to equate a "sea level" performance of 20.00 secs with an altitude-assisted performance of 19.88.
@TheEctomorph - It's something we'll never know, but it's fair to say that Borzov would have likely been able to run in the 19.7 - 19.8 range at altitude. One thing you're not taking into account is that the estimate I used didn't factor in any wind assistance at all. If I estimate a maximum 2.0 wind, his 20.00 flat equals 19.70 at altitude.
@broadjumper1 This is a strange comment coming from someone who made the posts that you did previously. You seemed to lambaste Pietro Mennea's 19.72 at altitude in Mexico City and now you seem to be kind to Borzov in giving him a faster time at altitude. However I must agree. Borzov's 20.00 in Munich would have been at least a 19.80 in Mexico City, which would have beaten Tommie Smith's high altitude world record at the time of 19.83.
@jaroslav70 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about the effects of high altititude on sprinting performances] of track - no less. It is not possible - at the present time - to convert a sprinting time (set at "sea level") into one set at high altitude, with any degree of accuracy or certainty. However, it is extremely unlikely - in the considered opinion of most athletics pundits and experts - that a (sea level) time of 20.00 secs is equivalent to a high altitude time of 19.65.
@TheEctomorph - Sure we can. J. R. Mureika's (member of the Association of Track and Field Statisticians) conversion model can provide a reasonably accurate estimate. Let's say an athlete runs 19.65 out of lane #4 in Mexico City (altitude of 2250m) with a 0.0 wind reading.
Mureika's model coverts this performance to a sea-level time of 19.87. So based off Borzov's PR, his 20.00 would NOT = a 19.65. At best it was probably worth 19.78 which would have been a WR until Mennea ran 19.72.
@broadjumper1 Sir: As a matter of fact, I agree with you that Valeriy Borzov's personal best time for 200 metres (20.00) which was set at the Munich Olympics in September 1972 in NOT equivalent to a "high altitude" time of 19.65. As I stated (quite unequivocally) in a previous 'post' on this You Tube board (addressed to a guy calle "jaroslav70"): " ... it is extremely unlikely - in the considered opinion of most athletics pundits and experts - that a (sea level) time of 20.00 secs is
@jaroslav70 Sir: I read your 'post' with interest. I have to say, however, that it is wildly speculative! You guesstimate that Mr Borzov would have been capable of running the 200 metres sprint in a time of 19.65 seconds (at the Olympic Games in September 1972) if those Games had been held at a high altitude location.
May I point out that there is a considerable difference between running the 200m in 20.00 secs and running it in 19.65. In fact, the differential is 3 and a half metres
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Pietro Mennea]: a contentious statement. May I remind you, sir, that - at the present time - it is not possible to convert "altitude-assisted" times (for 100 or 200 metres sprint races) into "sea-level" times, with any degree of accuracy or certainty. There are some highly respected track and field pundits who would dispute your guesstimate that a time of 19.72 seconds (set at high altitude) is worth only 20.01 secs at sea level.
@SpectraView1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: blessed with the perfect temperament (or something very close to that) for an international athlete. He never ever let 'nerves' get the better of him in a major championship race ...... and appeared to be totally unaffected by the importance and prestige of a race, or by the quality of his opponents. What a great athlete - and competitor - Borzov was.
@SpectraView1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: The tall, heavily muscled Jamaican, who preceded his countryman Usain Bolt as the world record holder for the men's 100 metres sprint, is tremendously gifted ...... but he has a suspect temperament. Time and time again, Mr Powell has failed to do himself justice at the major 'open' athletics championships - i.e. the 'Worlds' and the Olympic Games. Borzov, on the other hand, was an ice-cool competitior. He was
@SpectraView1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: in the final of the 100 metres at the Montreal Olympics in July '76 (Borzov had been in his physical prime four years earlier, at the time of the Munich Olympics). I would also say that, in his heyday, Borzov was a greater sprinter than Steve Williams; the renowned American speedster of the mid-1970's. That said, I would agree that Williams was unfortunate, in that he peaked - physically - in
@SpectraView1: As I have unequivocally stated on this 'You Tube' board at least once before, I believe that Valeriy Borzov was the greatest sprinter of his generation ... bar none. The ice-cool Ukranian speedster was greater than Edward Hart and Reynaud Robinson (the two guys who were both credited with a time of "9.9" seconds at the US Olympic trials in July 1972); he was also greater than Hasely Crawford and Donald O'Reilly Quarrie, the two great Caribbean sprinters who narrowly defeated him
@SpectraView1 - Michael is a middle name and that's what I go by, but when you fill out entry forms they ask for first and last and that's what they use in official results. I don't need to post the correct page because you already did and since you STILL can't find it, you just proved you're dumber than a "box of rocks." Sorry, just calling a spade a spade...keep hating, that's what losers like you do best, aside from blaming everyone for your own shitty existence...
@broadjumper1 I'm glad you admitted that I posted the correct page. I interpret that as a confession of guilt. Will you also admit everything else on your page broadjumper1 are lies as well?
@SpectraView1 Dude, I'd call you dumb but that would be an insult to dumb people. , you'd still need to come up 6 or 7 levels just to be considered their equal. The page is correct and so is the time I've posted on my channel (3:17:44) it's right there for everyone to see except apparently for utterly moronic assholes like you who refuse to see it.
@SpectraView1 - LOL, seems like you're the only one posting here Skippy, why post it when you already did? The results are there and anyone with a brain (that leaves you out) and find my exact time (3:17.44) on that page. Yes, I'm a Christian but your opinion doesn't matter to me one bit. I'll use the f-word wherever I see fit, because I don't answer to you. It's no stretch to see you're an imbecile, a troll and a paranoid racist .
LONG LIVE DIVERSITY! Otherwise we'd all be morons like you.
@broadjumper1 I don't see how someone who keeps posting the same nonsense can throw stones at someone else. All I did was state the obvious and that is that someone who refers to himself as broadjumper1 falsely stated on his page that he ran the 2005 LA Marathon in 3:17:44. If that's a lie then by extension I think it's only logical to assume everything else on your page is also a lie - especially the MBA, the Army experience and everything else there. And I''ll keep calling you a liar.
@SpectraView1 - It's easy to throw stones at you because you're one of the dumbest people in the history of YouTube. Stated the obvious? Like I said, 3:17:44 is listed on the same site you've noted as well as others but because you're purposely being obtuse and refuse to admit it, you're reduced to trolling. But like I've said before, the opinion of a paranoid racist who's accomplished nothing with his shitty life doesn't matter one bit...so I'll keep calling you an idiot. Troll harder.
@broadjumper1 I'm no troll, but you, your posts and your entire page are the set-up of an agent provocateur, who wants to convey the image of being some sort of conservative Christian military man with a higher degree, to influence the minds of young people who can't discern fact from fiction. Your purpose is to disparage Whites, while making yourself appear to be some sort of Conservative. You're no Christian, no Conservative; you most likely have no higher education. Your page is all lies.
@SpectraView1 - You're not only a troll, but racist (Hate all minorities), paranoid (fear diversity of ANY kind), disingenuous (My 3:17:44 marathon time was on the site, yet you STILL deny it) and painfully stupid (if you can't see it's there, you're less than a halfwit). But when all is said and done, I couldn't give a fuck less what a turd in the punch bowl like you believes about me, You're a loser and you always will be....agent provocateur? LOL, like I said paranoid AND painfully stupid!
@SpectraView1 - Yep, you know you're full of shit, but then so does everyone you've ever met. You seriously believe your contentions matter to anyone but yourself? hahahahha...You're not only stupid, but sadly pathetic as well.. All your whining because I said Wells was mediocre....you need to get a life, but for you it's probably far too late. That's probably for the best, at least you won't be adding to the gene pool..no more paranoid racist assholes from your lineage.
@broadjumper1 The only one who's paranoid is you. And the only one who's full of shit is you. You think that you can silence me with this kind of talk? You're a typical example of the the typical Liberal trying to silence anyone who doesn't follow his Leftist party line. The lie you told on your page about running the LA Marathon, and then you try to silence me when I point it out. This is the action of a paranoic - and that's you buddy, not me.
@SpectraView1 - Wow, you still here? Get a life and stop blaming everyone else because you can't find a fucking job...no one is trying to silence you (wow, talk about paranoid) but it would help if you said something worth listening to, cause quite frankly all you've done so far BORED the shit out of everyone.
@broadjumper1 Your page is a tissue of lies. All anyone has to do is go to it. The first lie is that you ran the LA Marathon in 3:17:44. There is no record of this and you continue to try to convey the image that there is something wrong with me. No professed Christian would curse as you do. No military man with the alleged accomplishments that your page claims would write like you do. What are you going to do, continue this charade indefinitely? All anyone has to do is read your posts.
@SpectraView1 - Tissue? LOL, the only tissue you need is the stuff to wipe your eyes, you've done so much CRYIN'....
Like I said, the very SAME SITE you listed has the time I ran (3:17:44) listed, but you're obviously too damn stupid to see it or you simply prefer to play obtuse...and plenty of Christians use all kinds of language, we've not perfect, just saved. As for your opinion of how a military man would write, you're certainly no expert on ANYTHING military, so troll harder.
@Spectraview1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Asafa Powell]: generation as a certain Mr Usain Bolt - a fellow Jamaican who just so happens to be the greatest and most naturally gifted sprinter that has ever lived (in all probability).
Oh, and just one more thing (about Mr Powell) ... he has broken the 10 second "barrier" - in the 100 m sprint - on 73 occasions, no less. That is an awesome achievement, so it is.
@Spectraview1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Asafa Powell]: some 20 years ago - would have finished a substantial one-and-a-half metres behind 'Powelly'.
Although this great Jamaican sprinter is fortunate to have been blessed with so much natural talent as an athlete, he is also entitled to consider himself ill-fated, in one sense: I am referring, of course, to the fact that he was born in the same
@Spectraview1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Asafa Powell]: two separate occasions - in June, 2005 and September, 2007. What is more, he also equalled the world record (which, at the time, was his own) on two occasions - back in the summer of 2006.
His current personal best time [9.72 seconds] was set at sea-level - and in weather conditions which were by no means ideal for sprinting. (There was only a negligible tail-wind.) Even the great Carl Lewis - at his peak
@Spectraview1: Sir: I refer to your bizarre comment (and I quote your exact words, verbatim): '[Asafa] Powell is a "modern-day" sprinter?!"
Well, of course Mr Powell is a modern-day sprinter, you muppet. He is 28 years of age, and began competing as an international athlete in 2002 ... not nineteen-f******- fifty-two !!
You appear to have very little respect for this great Jamaican sprinter. May I point out that this gentleman has broken the WORLD RECORD (for the 100 metres sprint) on
@TheEctomorph You're distorting the meaning of my comment which is typical. You stated Powell was a modern day sprinter as compared with Valery Borzov. The implication in your statement was that Borzov was someone in ancient history, and I - as an intelligent White man - refuted you. Powell is a "modern day" sprinter yes. But he is not a "modern-day" sprinter in comparison with Valery Borzov. Borzov is just as "modern-day". One can tell your young age just by the way you write.
@SpectraView1 Sir: Actually I am a middle-aged man (46 years of age); not some callow kid of 17 or 18.
I am old enough - just (!) - to remember Valeriy Borzov's outstanding performances in the 100 metres and 200 metres sprints at the Munich Olympics, back in September 1972. I have the utmost respect for Borzov; he was a super confident, ice-cool competitor whose temperament and character were perfect (or something approacing that) for a international athlete.
@SpectraView1 Actually, sir, my style of writing is nothing like that of a young person or teenager. In fact, some people have complained that my writing style is too formal and pedantic for their liking !
@Spectraview1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Valeriy Borzov]: be regarded as THE greatest IC1 ("white") sprinter of all time. (Is one still allowed to make comments of that nature, in this Politically Correct era in which we live?!)
@Spectraview1 Sir: I yield to no one in my respect for Mr Valeriy Borzov; the great Ukranian sprinter who won 2 Gold medals (in the 100 and 200 metres, respectively) at the Munich Olympics, back in 1972.
Indeed, I firmly believe that Mr Borzov was the greatest sprinter (bar none) on God's Earth at that particular time. (He had probably been the number 1 sprinter in the world 12 months earlier - in the summer of 1971 - too, for that matter.)
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about African distance runners]: if it had not been for the fact that he was denied the opportunity to compete in those Games.
Oh, and just one more thing, sir ...... your claim that TWENTY-ONE 17/18-year-old kids have run the 100 metres in under 10.11 seconds [the personal best time of Mr Allan Wells, the 1980 Olympic champion] has no basis in fact whatsoever. In other words, your claim is FALSE.
@TheEctomorph - My lord, you're long winded, yet YOU have the balls to call ME a troll, there's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. My point was that Yifter DID win, he IS African and he WAS ranked #1 in the 10,000 and he won the race in the 4th fastest time in the world that year. Well beat a group of also-rans (save Leonard) in the slowest final in 20 years and was not ranked #1.
@TheEctomorph "Thanks for misquoting me, but here's what I REALLY said: "As i said, several school boys have run much faster than Wells ever did." And then I stated, 21 junior or youth sprinters (school boys) have all run faster than Wells did at anytime in his career. All you have to do is look it up, the proof is readily available on-line. In other words, my claim is TRUE.
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about African distance running]: that he was a phenemonal athlete, by breaking FOUR world records: in the 3000 metres, 5000 metres, 10,000 metres and 3000 metres steeplechase, respectively.
I would suggest to you, Mr 'Broadjumper', that it is well within the bounds of possibility that the excellent Kenyan runner - Mr Rono - would have triumphed over his Ethiopian rival - Mr Yifter - at the Olympic Games in Moscow, back in 1980,
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about African distance running]: was totally unaffected by the major political boycott of that year's Games, may I remind you that one of the nations that did not compete in Moscow was ... KENYA ! The greatest long-distance runner in the world at that time - 1980 - was generally considered to be Mr Henry Rono, of the aforementioned nation. Only two years before the Moscow Olympics, Mr Rono demonstrated - in spectacular fashion -
@TheEctomorph - Dude, you're a MORON...KENYA is where? AFRICA! You JUST proved my point! AFRICA IS DISTANCE RUNNING. I never claimed the games were "unaffected" by the political boycott, but there's LITTLE doubt than AFRICANS would have won the 10,000. By 1980 Yifter was dominant (ranked world #1) and since then rarely has a non-African runner achieved much against the African distance domination.
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about African distance running]: in South Korea yesterday (Sunday, 4th September)? I might add that the British athlete to whom I refer - the excellent Mohammed Farah - has run faster times than any African runner this year, at both the long-distance track events - i.e. 5000 and 10,000 metres, respectively.
And, as for your suggestion that the quality of the long-distance events at the Moscow Olympic Games (in July/August 1980)
@TheEctomorph - Again, Mo Farah is Somali and he trains in Kenya. It's great you're proud of his accomplishment, but when you're finally able to do it with a home grown athlete, THEN you can talk about a real BRITISH accomplishment.
25 of the 36 distance medals awarded at this world championship went to AFRICAN runners, and four more went to African-born athletes but you wanna point to ONE ex-pat African to suggest that Europeans are more dominant? My original comments stands uncompromised.
From what I understand, you are a devout Christian ... yes? Therefore you should not use 'industrial' language; to do so is to sin against your faith (unless i am very much mistaken).
@TheEctomorph - OH, Ok, you wanna go there? alright.
1) We all try to be Christlike, but as humans we all fall short. but when Christ drove the Money Changers from the Temple, he called them a "den of thieves" so he was none too pleasant about it.
2) The Bible says NOTHING against voicing one's opinions, even if they're not popular or well-received.
3) How I choose to respond to the attacks of others is between my God and me. Concern yourself with your own relationship with God, not MINE.
@broadjumper1 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about the 1980 Olympics]:
medals did Miritus Yifter win at a non-boycotted Games?
(2) How many Olympic GOLD medals did Steve Ovett win at a non-boycotted Games?
Your rhetorical question about the great Scottish sprinter of the late 1970's/early 1980's - Allan Wells - implies that, in order to be considered a GREAT athlete, one has to win a Gold medal at an Olympic Games which is totally free of political 'boycotts'.
@TheEctomorph - Yifter? LOL! The Africans ARE distance running, If they're running in the games, it's non-boycotted. He also was ranked #1 in the world in the 10,000. Steve Ovett's only real competition was from his OWN countrymen, Seb Coe and he set multiple WRs.
And no, you've TOTALLY mischaracterized what I'm saying, and that's THIS: To be considered a GREAT athlete, one has to do MORE than win a Gold medal at boycotted Olympic Games.
@broadjumper1 Don't call me a moron, you arrogant, self-righteous, sanctomonious bastard.
It is my guess - judging by some of the comments that you have 'posted' on this You Tube site, of late - that you do not know anywhere as much about track and field athletics as you think you do.
With regard to your flippant remark: "The Africans ARE distance running", i would respond by asking you this: How come a BRITISH gentleman triumphed in the 5000 metres final at the World Championships
@TheEctomorph - Oh, I'm SO sorry, you're feeling inferior, do try to get over it. Whether or not you happen to agree with my opinion doesn't mean I'm not well versed in all aspects of Track & Field. I'm certain I know more than enough to counter your pitiful arguments.
As for Mo Farah, that's amusing...you DO know he's Somaili born don't you? And he TRAINS with Kenyan distance runners. So because he has British citizenship, that somehow eliminates his African heritage?
@broadjumper1 Sir: I refer to your comment (and I quote your exact words, verbatim): "MY PRs in the 100/200 aren't relevant to this discussion, how many GOLD medas did Wells win in a non-boycotted Games? Same number that I did, ZERO."
Well, to be honest I would have to agree that your PRs for the 100 and 200 m sprints are not relevant to this discussion. However, with regard to your question about Mr Wells, I would respond by asking YOU a couple of questions:
@broadjumper1 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Allan Wells]: super fast, 'magic carpet ' tracks - which are commonplace on the international athletics circuit in this day and age.
I am convinced that Mr Wells (and Mr Borzov before him) were talented enough to sprint 100 metres in under 10.00 sec. Unfortunately, however, they never had the opportunity to compete on the super-fast, 'magic carpet' tracks that are available to the athletes of the 21st century.
@TheEctomorph - Oh Christ, STOP whining..what I'M convinced of is that you'll rationalize what ever you can to believe Wells was an elite sprinter. Let me save you he trouble, Borzov was (whether he was clean or not is another question) since he was able to medal in two Olympics. Wells was NOT. He might have broken 10.00 on these "super-fast, 'magic carpet' tracks" as you call them, but he never did so at best, all you have is conjecture.
We need to dope up Christophe LeMaitre with the same stuff as his competitors. He will then be able to run in the low 9.8's and possibly mid 9.7's. he's got the right frame and has speed, he just lacks power and endurance. He could be the next Borzov.
@TheAngeltoDemon F**k off! Athletes who take banned performance-enhancing 'persian rugs', in an attempt to gain an unfair advantage over those who don't take drugs, are CHEATS. Pure and simpleI
I firmly believe that Christophe LeMaitre is a clean athlete, and I very much hope that he stays that way. As regards your claim that this French speedster lacks speed endurance, I would just say this: his P.B. (for the 200 metres) is 19.80.
Shame on you for condoning the use of 'persian rugs'.
@TheEctomorph I also firmly believe Christophe is clean. The reality is if he wants gold, he will have to dope because his competitors do. I'm a big fan of LeMaitre, he is a true natural talent, regardless of race, but his sucess would inspire other races to truly believe they can run in the big leagues. Sorry to break it to you, but athletics are very very dirty, you should know that, you are rooting for cheats in igorance.
@TheEctomorph It is possible. It's a shame that the sprints are such a cutthroat event, where one hundreths of a second count. This years champs, i think half were clean, it's just a shame, you never know. And for Bolt, time will tell. It's simple, he is either the true lighting bolt rarity of a talent, or he will be the biggest shame EVER. It would be too devastating for the sport if bolt got caught, because people would never ever believe in WR integrity again. We'll see.
In terms of sheer physical ability, Valeriy Borzov was somewhat less gifted than the modern-day sprinter Asafa Powell. However, Borzov's temperament and character were far more conducive to athletic success than Powell's.
On so many occasions during the last 7 years, the brilliant Jamaican has failed to live up to expectations at the 'open' athletics championships - i.e. the Olympic Games and the 'Worlds'.
If only Mr Powell had the same temperament and character as the ice-cool Mr Borzov !
@TheEctomorph I find it hard to believe some of the comments that I read. Powell is a "modern-day" sprinter?! Borzov last competed in 1980. What was 1980, the ancient Greek Olympics? And I'll tell you another thing. Borzov was most likely far more disciplined than any of your so-called "modern-day" sprinters. His training program was also likely to be superior to your so-called "modern-day" sprinter Asafa Powell. "Modern-day" indeed!
@SpectraView1 Sir: You appear to have misunderstood my comments about Mr Powell (and indeed about Mr Borzov) completely.
I have repeatedly made it clear (on this You Tube board) that I have the utmost respect for the 1972 Olympic sprint champion. Indeed, I firmly believe that he stood out as being the greatest sprinter of his generation. Borzov was greater than Eddie Hart and Reynaud Robinson - no matter what some American athletics fans and pundits may say to the contrary. He was also
@SpectraView1 [Continuing on from my previous comments about Mr Valeriy Borzov]: greater than Hasely Crawford and Don Quarrie - the 2 outstanding Carribean sprinters of the 1970's. That is my humble opinion, at any rate.
If you think that I have been critical of the gr8 Valeriy Borzov - in any of the comments that I have 'posted' on this (or any other You Tube board) - then you are about as far off the mark as it is possible to be ... SIR.
Mentally - as well as physically - Valeriy Borzov was in superb shape at the time of the Munich Olympic Games in 1972. I believe that a knowledgeable athletics writer once described him as "a human machine, totally unaffected by the importance of the race, or by the quality of the opposition."
That was perhaps an exaggeration/distortion of the truth. However, the fact remains that Borzov's temperament and character were perfect (or very close to it) for a top-class competitite athlete.
I firmly believe that Mr Borzov would still have prevailed in the Olympic 100 metres sprint final on 1st September, 1972 - even if the two outstanding American sprinters of that year (Eddie Hart and Reynaud Robinson) had been in the race.
I believe this because Mr Borzov had a such a superb temperament for competing in prestigious events, such as the Olympic Games. Mentally, he was a very strong and well balanced person; he was not the type of athlete who was liable to crack under pressure.
What a magnificent sprinter Valeriy Borzov was back in 1972, when he was young and in his prime.
There are some cynics who say that he was over-rated as an athlete, and that he would never have won that big race in Munich - on 1st September 1972 - if he had had to compete against Mr Edward Hart and Mr Reynaud Robinson (the two top American sprinters of the era).
However, I firmly believe that - at that particular time - Mr Borzov was genuinely the fastest human being on God's Earth.
I know people who know Borzov personally, and he was not a drug user. He didnt take steroid injections..he did use vitamins and vitamin injections, but also had a sick sick traininig regimien. His strength size ratio was much higher than anyone else his size, he had lightening quick reflexes, and was so fit that no one could touch him. Perhaps the Americans could have beaten him, but that day, he was the best.
And finally of equal importance is that the best and fastest American athletes of that era were playing pro football, US track and filed then was completely composed of college age amateur athletes so you had American boys running against a Russina man, it's like having the NCAA 100m champion run against the Tyson Gaye it's a joke.
@ericwycoff The best and fastest American athletes of that era were NOT playing pro football, they were sprinting in the Olympic Trials. And the fastest Black athletes of that era could not have defeated Valery Borzov for the Olympic Gold Medal at the Munich Games. Do you make up your own facts to fit your "politically correct" world view?
Absolutely, it is damned sad for Eddie Hart and Ray Robinson that they missed their heats. Would they have beaten Borzov in '72, head to head, in the Olympic final? Impossible to say but to Borzov's credit, he had peaked at exactly the right time and was in incredibly fit shape--for instance, during his four-year build up to Munich, Borzov had a rubber belt tied around his waist. The belt had a hook on the back, and a rope led from that hook to a VW Bug. He ran repeat 100s that way.
@kevinherbert That's right; back in 1972, Valeriy Borzov did not have the appearance of an athlete bulked up by 'persian rugs'. Although he was renowned for having large and exceedingly powerful thighs (as you would expect, of a world-class sprinter), Mr Borzov was not all that heavily muscled in his upper body. In fact, he was considerably slighter and less heavily muscled [back in 1972] than Bob Hayes had been, 8 years earlier in 1964.
I firmly believe that Mr Borzov was a 'clean' athlete.
@kevinherbert Further to the 'post' about Valeriy Borzov and Bob Hayes which I wrote on this You Tube board last month (August 2011), I would like to make it clear that I do not believe, for one moment, that the well-built American sprint champion of 1964 (Mr Hayes) was a drugs cheat. 'Bullet' Bob was a very powerful and heavily muscled guy - a lot more powerful than most of today's world class sprinters, in fact - but his impressive physique was the result of favourable genetic inheritance.
ALL WHITE ATHLETES HAVE PERFECT FORM.WHITES ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND STRONGEST RACE.WE HAVE to be strong,,,hundreds OF YEARS OF CARRYING STUPID BLACKS.We have spent 200 years trying to teach them English....and most of them still jabber. I did have a negro friend who bragged constantly with nothing to brag about and this cat was UG-LEE.We took a ride yesterday and he kept sticking his head out of the window and his lips beat him to death.sad.
@bear022013 F**k off, you ignorant, bigoted, racist c u next tuesday !
Black people are definitely NOT inferior to us 'IC1's'. Let me put it this way; it will be a long time before a white man is capable of sprinting 100 metres in 9.58 seconds. (And when - or rather if - it eventually does happen, the chances are that the first white guy to sprint that fast will be a 'persian rugs' cheat.)
Oh, and btw, how many of the great heavyweight boxers of the last 100 years have been white men???
@TheEctomorph Jack Dempsey, Jim Corbett, Bob Fitzsimmons, John L. Sullivan, Jim Jeffries, Max Schmeling, Rocky Marciano,The Klitchko brothers, Billy Conn, James J. Braddock, Gene Tunney, Nikolai Valuev are some.
@SpectraView1 I take your point, sir. My knowledge of boxing is not extensive, by any means. It would seem that I was mistaken in my assumption that there have been very few great 'IC1' boxers - at heavyweight level - during the last 100 years.
@CaneFu Yes, indeed he did. The great Ukranian sprinter of the early 1970's was pleasing to behold when sprinting at top speed ...... he was like poetry in motion, so he was. (That is a bit of a cliche, I know).
Why? Shouldn't we see Borzov at the start? The video is about him after all. I would recommend that people who view this video view videos on youtube of past Olympic Sprint finals and see the number of White Sprinters in them. They weren't arrogant showboats who behaved as spoiled children with the emotional development of young adolescents either. They acted like adults, both the men and women.
Why? Shouldn't we see Borzov at the start? The video is about him after all. I would recommend that people who view this video view videos on youtube of past Olympic Sprint finals and see the number of White Sprinters in them. They weren't arrogant showboats who behaved as spoiled children with the emotional development of young adolescents either. They acted like adults, both the men and women.
I mentioned how the media gives credit to Black athletes and puts down White athletes. The icon (if that's the right word for it) for this video is a perfect example. This video is supposed to be about Valery Borzov, yet when you type in "Valery Borzov" and this video comes up in the search results, who do we see - Borzov at the starting line? No. We see a Black athlete at the starting line. This tends to make those not in the "know" think that the person depicted is Borzov.-
@SpectraView1 - "this video is a perfect example. This video is supposed to be about Valery Borzov, yet when you type in "Valery Borzov" and this video comes up in the search results, who do we see - Borzov at the starting line? No. We see a Black athlete at the starting line."
Wow, stupid beyond belief. First off, the FIRST race we see in THIS video is Borzov WINNING a race (0:17) and the first qualifying race we see shows BORZOV at the line (1:15). What video are you babbling about?
Please note that Valeriy Borzov was UKRANIAN, not Russian.
Да что Вы в этом понимаете? Думаете, на Украине живут одни украинцы? У меня там родственники с украинской фамилией(в отличие от Борзова, на "енко" оканчивающейся), так они - не украинцы, а донские казаки.
FACT: Wait a minute, guys. I agree with most of the statements assessing Borzov's talent level: amazing, but not the best of all time. However, I think that some of you are being overly harsh against him because of the old "Russia vs. the Western World" thing.
Please note that Valeriy Borzov was UKRANIAN, not Russian. The Russians branded him as Russian under the Soviet Union athletic machine, and he was forced to cooperate. If you don't like Russians, don't blame Borzov.
And what do you know about Russians? Have you heard about all the ethnic Russians in Western Ukraine? The OV ending is Russian; the ENKO ending is Ukrainian.
? So. He has devoted his whole life to Ukrainian sport, and politics, not Russian, including serving as Ukrainian Sports Minister. He also holds Ukrainian citizenship.
the great thing about sports is its based on what you did not coulda, woulda, shouda. Borzov beat everyone that lined up with him in 72. He was the best sprinter in the world, why? Cuz, he had the gold medals to prove it.
@bigman9099 Well said, big man; very well said. Mr Borzov walked the walk, so to speak ...... whereas certain other gifted sprinters (including Mr Edward Hart) merely talked the talk. Having said that, I would like to make it clear that I have nothing against Hart, and I realize that it was not his fault that he didn't get the opportunity to compete against Borzov at the '72 Olympics.
Eddie Hart would have beaten him. The 4x100 relay is telling. Although Hart got the baton before Borzov in the anchor leg, not only did Borzov fail to close the distance, Hart increased the gap by running a faster leg.
the US sprinters won the 4x100 in a walk.
58telecaster 1 week ago
Eddie hart and Ray Robinson (both from the Univ. of Alabama) would have probably finished 1/2, both being faster than either Taylor or Borzov. Their dq was total bullshit. I was there with my father. Crawford came up lame. Borzov earned the 200m outright, but the 100 was a joke.
58telecaster 1 week ago
@58telecaster RF No, I think Valeri Borzov won and would have won even if the 2 other runners were there. The fact that he won the 200 M is proof that Valeri was a winner. and fast But to be honest, who knows? It's all conjecture. Who knows who would have won?
I respect your views.
JimAsian1 2 days ago
why did that one guy stop?
mortella23 1 month ago
@mortella23 I presume that you are referring to the big Trinidadian sprinter, Hasely Crawford (who was running in lane 2). He stopped sprinting in that race because he sustained a painful hamstring injury.
Incidentally, Crawford's 'day in the sun' was to arrive 4 years later - at the 1976 Olympic Games in Montreal, Canada. He became the Olympic 100 metres sprint champion at those games. (His winning time was 10.06 - which was considered very fast indeed back in those days.)
TheEctomorph 3 weeks ago
LOL looks like wolverine (hugh jackman)!
82Bdog 1 month ago in playlist Why are white men slow? Are they?
@82Bdog Your right.
6batistabomb 1 month ago
@82Bdog He looks like Clint Eastwodd to. I think it's the nose and the forehead.
6batistabomb 1 month ago
@6batistabomb LOL true
82Bdog 1 month ago
They should add an extra lane for an "average joe" contestant. Simply take some random person from off the street and put them in an Olympic race to let everyone in the world see how even the athlete that finishes last is STILL worlds ahead of an average joe
BlackFox0911 1 month ago
@BlackFox0911 LOL! That may not be such bad idea, actually, Mr "BlackFox". Of course, modern athletics tracks (unlike those of 1972) do usually have a extra lane - for the short sprint races.
Let us assume (just for the sake of argument) that Mr 'Average' - in his physical prime between the ages of, say, 22 and 28 - is capable of returning a time of 13.50/13.60 for the 100 metres sprint (electronically timed). That means that the "average Joe" - as you call him - would have
TheEctomorph 3 weeks ago
@BlackFox0911 [continuing on from my previous 'post' about the sprinting ability of Mr 'Average'.]
finished at least 26 METRES behind Valeriy Borzov - the great Ukranian speedster of the 1970's - in that Olympic 100m sprint final in Munich, on 1st September 1972.
It is worth mentioning that back in those days - almost 40 years ago - athletics tracks were not quite as "fast" as they are today - in the early part of the 21st century. Therefore, it is probably true to say that
TheEctomorph 3 weeks ago
@BlackFox0911 [continuing on from my previous 'post' about the sprinting ability of Mr 'Average'.]
back in 1972, the "average Joe" would not have been capable of sprinting 100m in less than 13.70 seconds - even on a top class synthetic track, such as the one that was used for the Munich Olympics. So when I stated that Mr 'Average' would have finished 26 metres behind Valeriy Borzov in a 100 metres sprint race (when the Ukranian sprint superstar was in his prime) I was probably being too
TheEctomorph 3 weeks ago
@BlackFox0911 [continuing on from my previous 'post' about the sprinting ability of Mr Average.]
generous - to Mr 'Average', that is!
Let me take this opportunity to wish you a happy and prosperous 2012.
TheEctomorph 3 weeks ago
Great sprinter
papmjny 2 months ago
[Continuing on from my previous 'posts' about Valeriy Borzov]: God's Earth at that particular time.
TheEctomorph 3 months ago
[Continuing on from my previous 'posts' about Valeriy Borzov]: As I say, I do not wish to belittle the achievements of the top two American sprinters of 1972 - Eddie Hart and Rey Robinson. They were indeed great sprinters in their heyday - as Borzov himself has been gracious enough to acknowledge.
That said, I remain convinced that Borzov's decisive victories - in the 100m and 200m sprint events at the 1972 Olympic Games - gave him the right to be called the greatest sprinter on
TheEctomorph 3 months ago
@broadjumper1 Sir: I think I am correct in saying that Usain Bolt's world record time of 9.58 converts to a 100 yards time of 8.844 (give or take 0.02) of a second. Am I right about this?
Someone claimed on 'You Tube' recently that the big Jamaican's 100 metres WR converts to a time of 8.5 for the 100 yards. Common sense would dictate that, that is not so ... yes?
TheEctomorph 3 months ago
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TheEctomorph 3 months ago
[Continuing on from my previous 'posts' about Valeriy Borzov] 10.07 (fully automatic electronic timing). As all knowledgeable athletics competitors, pundits and fans know, an electronic time of 10.07 is equivalent to - if not better than - a manual time of 9.9.
In saying that I mean no disrespect to Mr Edward Hart and Mr Reynaud Robinson, the two American sprinters who were both timed at 9.9 seconds in the final of the 100m sprint at their national Olympic trials, back in July, 1972.
TheEctomorph 3 months ago
[Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov] behind the proverbial iron curtain - at events such as the Soviet Union championships - were more efficient (and possibly more honest) time-keepers than their American counterparts !!
Certainly it is true to say that several of the Western sprinters who (allegedly) ran the 100 metres in 9.9 seconds during the 1970's were inferior sprinters to Mr Borzov - whose official personal bests were: 10.0 (manual) and
TheEctomorph 3 months ago
Valeriy Borzov was such a great sprinter in his heyday - the early 1970's - that one wonders why he never managed to return a (manual) time of 9.9 seconds for the 100 metres. After all, as far back as the summer of 1969 - when he was still only a kid of 19 - he won the 100 metres title at the Soviet Union championships in a time of 10.0. One suspects that, in 1971 and '72, when this great sprinter was at the peak of his powers, the officials who timed his performances
TheEctomorph 3 months ago
These are some of the most intelligent comments on youtube. Well done.
00Aliengamer00 3 months ago
@00Aliengamer00 Thank you, sir. Your compliment is appreciated.
TheEctomorph 3 months ago
@cirosuperiore I quite agree.
TheEctomorph 3 months ago
Valery's impeccable style right through the finish line.
Pertemba40 4 months ago
SpectraView1: I believe that an American sprinter of the 1970's by the name of Harvey Glance ran the 100 metres in "9.9", during the run-up to the Montreal Olympic Games in 1976. But the great Valeriy Borzov beat Mr Glance - by at least half-a-metre - in the Olympic final that summer. I might add that Borzov had been plagued by injury "issues" (as they say in modern parlance) for much of the two year period immediately prior to those Olympic Games.
He truly was a great sprinter.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@anastasi69 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: of possibility that they would not have performed as well - in the 'cauldron' of Olympic competition - as they had done at the Olympic trials.
It is worth pointing out, at this juncture, that the great Valeriy Borzov was an ice-cool and super-confident competitior, who never failed to produce his best form at major championships, such as the Olympic Games and 'Europeans'.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@anastasi69 [Continued on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: was accurate (extremely unlikely, I feel) that does not necessarily mean that they would have managed to replicate that performance at the Olympic Games in Munich. Many highly talented athletes - over the years - have 'cracked' under the enormous pressure that competing in the Olympics entails. I am not saying that Hart & Robinson would definitely have come into that category ...... but it is well within the bounds
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@anastasi69 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: is fully entitled to be sceptical of the "official" times accredited to Mr Hart and Robinson after the 100 metres sprint final at those trials. Indeed, there are many knowledgeable athletics pundits and experts who believe that Hart and Robinson did not even break 10.10 secs for the 100 metres that day ..... let alone 10.00.
Secondly, I would like to point out that, even if Robinson and Hart's "official" time of 9.9 secs
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph And I have to add that only inches separated Hart, Robinson, AND Taylor at the '72 trials. What the media fails to mention is that Taylor was also timed in the same hand-timed 9.9 . The best Taylor could manage in the '72 Olympics was 10.16 in the semi-finals. That's just about what their hand-timed 9.9's were back in '72. When Borzov also won the 200 meters it incensed the American media. After he won that race some of them had to call him the fastest man in the world.
SpectraView1 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 Sir: I don't agree with all of the comments that you have 'posted' on this You Tube board of late ...... but I certainly agree wholeheartedly with that one.
I did not realize that Robert Taylor (as well as Edward Hart and Reynaud Robinson) had been credited with a time of "9.9" seconds at the U.S. Olympic trials, back in the summer of 1972. Interesting piece of information, that ...... and it just goes to show how unreliable and inaccurate hand-timing is!
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph Which ones don't you agree with?
SpectraView1 4 months ago
@anastasi69 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: and Robinson would have beaten Borzov at the Olympics" well, that is not a logical argument at all. For one thing, it is extremely unlikely that Mr Hart and Mr Robinson broke the 10 second barrier (for the 100m sprint) at the U.S. Olympic trials in the summer of '72. Back in those days - nearly 40 years ago - fully automatic electronic timing was not used by the Americans at their Olympic trials. Therefore, one
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@anastasi69 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: of the race. May I remind you, sir, that, at the American Olympic trials (which took place in the July of 1972), Edwart Hart and Reynaud Robinson only just managed to beat Mr Taylor ..... and they were bursting a gut, so to speak.
With regard to the frequently used argument that "Hart and Robinson ran the 100 metres in 9.9 seconds at the Olympic trials; Borzov never ran a sub-10 second time in his life; therefore Hart
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph = tryhard
brandonluo 2 months ago
@anastasi69 Believe that if that is what you want to believe. The facts point to the conclusion that Mr Borzov - not Mr Hart or Mr Robinson - was the fastest sprinter on God's Earth back in 1972.
In the final of the 100 metres sprint at the Olympic Games, on 1st September of that year, Borzov comfortably beat a chap called Robert Taylor (of the U.S.A.). Borzov's margin of victory was a full metre - substantial in a race as short as 100m - and he eased up during the final five metres
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 [Continuing on from my previous'post' about Mr Allan Wells] psychologically flawed Jamaican sprinter - at the Athens Olympics in August 2004 ... and again four years later in Beijing.
Finally, I would just like to make the point that Mr Allan Wells was - and indeed still is - a man of integrity. During his fairly lengthy and distinguished career as an international athlete, he never failed a drug test (which is more than can be said for Mr Justin Gatlin - among others).
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Allan Wells]: Mr Floyd would have beaten Mr Wells in the Olympic 100 metres final that year - had they had not been denied the opportunity to compete in Moscow, due to the American boycott. It is well within the bounds of possibility that the two American speedsters would have 'cracked' under the pressure which competing in an Olympic final entails. That is exactly what happened to Mr Asafa Powell - the brilliant but
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Allan Wells]: opportunity to compete in those controversial Olympic Games. I believe that, back in 1980, Floyd fastest (legitimate) time for 100m was 10.07 ..... and Sandford's was somewhat faster at 10.02. Of course, both of those times were superior to Allan Wells' personal best (10.11), which was set in the quarter-final of the 100m sprint competition in Moscow. However, that fact does not prove that Mr Sandford and/or
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Allan Wells]: than Wells was at his zenith, in the summer of '80.
Having said all that, I do think that Wells was a very good sprinter, albeit not a great one. Also, I feel I should point out that you cannot be 100% certain, by any means, that he would have been defeated (in the 100 metres Olympic final, Moscow 1980) by the top two American sprinters of the era - Jim Sandford and Stanley Floyd - had those athletes had the
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuning on from my previous 'post' about Mr Allan Wells]: previously. Although I have a great deal of respect for Wells, I would agree that, back in the summer of 1980 (when he was at the peak of his sprinting powers) he was not as good a sprinter as Borzov had been in his prime - almost a decade earlier, I would even say that, back in 1976 (when the distinguished Ukranian sprinter was no longer in his prime, physically/athletically) he was probably a better sprinter
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 [Continuing on from my previous post about Mr Allan Wells]: board that I do not consider Wells to have been one of the greatest sprinters of all time. He was indeed fortunate that, back in 1980, the Olympic 100 metres final did not comprise any American sprinters. He was also fortunate that his European opponents in that race did not include anyone of the calibre of Valeriy Borzov; the Ukranian sprinter who had won the coveted sprint 'double' at the Munich Olympics, some 8 years
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - Fair enough, we all get a little heated in our opinions at times.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous post about "high altitude" sprint performances]: is equivalent to a high altitude time of 19.65.
I would even say that Borzov's fine time of 20.00 (which, back in '72, was a "sea level" world best) was not even equivalent to an altitude-assisted time of 19.78. It would be more realistic, IMHO, to equate a "sea level" performance of 20.00 secs with an altitude-assisted performance of 19.88.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - It's something we'll never know, but it's fair to say that Borzov would have likely been able to run in the 19.7 - 19.8 range at altitude. One thing you're not taking into account is that the estimate I used didn't factor in any wind assistance at all. If I estimate a maximum 2.0 wind, his 20.00 flat equals 19.70 at altitude.
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@broadjumper1 This is a strange comment coming from someone who made the posts that you did previously. You seemed to lambaste Pietro Mennea's 19.72 at altitude in Mexico City and now you seem to be kind to Borzov in giving him a faster time at altitude. However I must agree. Borzov's 20.00 in Munich would have been at least a 19.80 in Mexico City, which would have beaten Tommie Smith's high altitude world record at the time of 19.83.
SpectraView1 3 months ago
@jaroslav70 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about the effects of high altititude on sprinting performances] of track - no less. It is not possible - at the present time - to convert a sprinting time (set at "sea level") into one set at high altitude, with any degree of accuracy or certainty. However, it is extremely unlikely - in the considered opinion of most athletics pundits and experts - that a (sea level) time of 20.00 secs is equivalent to a high altitude time of 19.65.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - Sure we can. J. R. Mureika's (member of the Association of Track and Field Statisticians) conversion model can provide a reasonably accurate estimate. Let's say an athlete runs 19.65 out of lane #4 in Mexico City (altitude of 2250m) with a 0.0 wind reading.
Mureika's model coverts this performance to a sea-level time of 19.87. So based off Borzov's PR, his 20.00 would NOT = a 19.65. At best it was probably worth 19.78 which would have been a WR until Mennea ran 19.72.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 Sir: As a matter of fact, I agree with you that Valeriy Borzov's personal best time for 200 metres (20.00) which was set at the Munich Olympics in September 1972 in NOT equivalent to a "high altitude" time of 19.65. As I stated (quite unequivocally) in a previous 'post' on this You Tube board (addressed to a guy calle "jaroslav70"): " ... it is extremely unlikely - in the considered opinion of most athletics pundits and experts - that a (sea level) time of 20.00 secs is
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@jaroslav70 Sir: I read your 'post' with interest. I have to say, however, that it is wildly speculative! You guesstimate that Mr Borzov would have been capable of running the 200 metres sprint in a time of 19.65 seconds (at the Olympic Games in September 1972) if those Games had been held at a high altitude location.
May I point out that there is a considerable difference between running the 200m in 20.00 secs and running it in 19.65. In fact, the differential is 3 and a half metres
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Pietro Mennea]: a contentious statement. May I remind you, sir, that - at the present time - it is not possible to convert "altitude-assisted" times (for 100 or 200 metres sprint races) into "sea-level" times, with any degree of accuracy or certainty. There are some highly respected track and field pundits who would dispute your guesstimate that a time of 19.72 seconds (set at high altitude) is worth only 20.01 secs at sea level.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@SpectraView1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: blessed with the perfect temperament (or something very close to that) for an international athlete. He never ever let 'nerves' get the better of him in a major championship race ...... and appeared to be totally unaffected by the importance and prestige of a race, or by the quality of his opponents. What a great athlete - and competitor - Borzov was.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@SpectraView1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: The tall, heavily muscled Jamaican, who preceded his countryman Usain Bolt as the world record holder for the men's 100 metres sprint, is tremendously gifted ...... but he has a suspect temperament. Time and time again, Mr Powell has failed to do himself justice at the major 'open' athletics championships - i.e. the 'Worlds' and the Olympic Games. Borzov, on the other hand, was an ice-cool competitior. He was
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@SpectraView1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Valeriy Borzov]: in the final of the 100 metres at the Montreal Olympics in July '76 (Borzov had been in his physical prime four years earlier, at the time of the Munich Olympics). I would also say that, in his heyday, Borzov was a greater sprinter than Steve Williams; the renowned American speedster of the mid-1970's. That said, I would agree that Williams was unfortunate, in that he peaked - physically - in
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@SpectraView1: As I have unequivocally stated on this 'You Tube' board at least once before, I believe that Valeriy Borzov was the greatest sprinter of his generation ... bar none. The ice-cool Ukranian speedster was greater than Edward Hart and Reynaud Robinson (the two guys who were both credited with a time of "9.9" seconds at the US Olympic trials in July 1972); he was also greater than Hasely Crawford and Donald O'Reilly Quarrie, the two great Caribbean sprinters who narrowly defeated him
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
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@SpectraView1 - Michael is a middle name and that's what I go by, but when you fill out entry forms they ask for first and last and that's what they use in official results. I don't need to post the correct page because you already did and since you STILL can't find it, you just proved you're dumber than a "box of rocks." Sorry, just calling a spade a spade...keep hating, that's what losers like you do best, aside from blaming everyone for your own shitty existence...
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 I'm glad you admitted that I posted the correct page. I interpret that as a confession of guilt. Will you also admit everything else on your page broadjumper1 are lies as well?
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@SpectraView1 Dude, I'd call you dumb but that would be an insult to dumb people. , you'd still need to come up 6 or 7 levels just to be considered their equal. The page is correct and so is the time I've posted on my channel (3:17:44) it's right there for everyone to see except apparently for utterly moronic assholes like you who refuse to see it.
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@SpectraView1 - LOL, seems like you're the only one posting here Skippy, why post it when you already did? The results are there and anyone with a brain (that leaves you out) and find my exact time (3:17.44) on that page. Yes, I'm a Christian but your opinion doesn't matter to me one bit. I'll use the f-word wherever I see fit, because I don't answer to you. It's no stretch to see you're an imbecile, a troll and a paranoid racist .
LONG LIVE DIVERSITY! Otherwise we'd all be morons like you.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 I don't see how someone who keeps posting the same nonsense can throw stones at someone else. All I did was state the obvious and that is that someone who refers to himself as broadjumper1 falsely stated on his page that he ran the 2005 LA Marathon in 3:17:44. If that's a lie then by extension I think it's only logical to assume everything else on your page is also a lie - especially the MBA, the Army experience and everything else there. And I''ll keep calling you a liar.
SpectraView1 4 months ago
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@SpectraView1 - It's easy to throw stones at you because you're one of the dumbest people in the history of YouTube. Stated the obvious? Like I said, 3:17:44 is listed on the same site you've noted as well as others but because you're purposely being obtuse and refuse to admit it, you're reduced to trolling. But like I've said before, the opinion of a paranoid racist who's accomplished nothing with his shitty life doesn't matter one bit...so I'll keep calling you an idiot. Troll harder.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 I'm no troll, but you, your posts and your entire page are the set-up of an agent provocateur, who wants to convey the image of being some sort of conservative Christian military man with a higher degree, to influence the minds of young people who can't discern fact from fiction. Your purpose is to disparage Whites, while making yourself appear to be some sort of Conservative. You're no Christian, no Conservative; you most likely have no higher education. Your page is all lies.
SpectraView1 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 - You're not only a troll, but racist (Hate all minorities), paranoid (fear diversity of ANY kind), disingenuous (My 3:17:44 marathon time was on the site, yet you STILL deny it) and painfully stupid (if you can't see it's there, you're less than a halfwit). But when all is said and done, I couldn't give a fuck less what a turd in the punch bowl like you believes about me, You're a loser and you always will be....agent provocateur? LOL, like I said paranoid AND painfully stupid!
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 You're no marathoner. You're no runner. You're a fake, broadjumper1. You're certainly no Christian. I know what you really are.
SpectraView1 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 - Yep, you know you're full of shit, but then so does everyone you've ever met. You seriously believe your contentions matter to anyone but yourself? hahahahha...You're not only stupid, but sadly pathetic as well.. All your whining because I said Wells was mediocre....you need to get a life, but for you it's probably far too late. That's probably for the best, at least you won't be adding to the gene pool..no more paranoid racist assholes from your lineage.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 The only one who's paranoid is you. And the only one who's full of shit is you. You think that you can silence me with this kind of talk? You're a typical example of the the typical Liberal trying to silence anyone who doesn't follow his Leftist party line. The lie you told on your page about running the LA Marathon, and then you try to silence me when I point it out. This is the action of a paranoic - and that's you buddy, not me.
SpectraView1 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 - Wow, you still here? Get a life and stop blaming everyone else because you can't find a fucking job...no one is trying to silence you (wow, talk about paranoid) but it would help if you said something worth listening to, cause quite frankly all you've done so far BORED the shit out of everyone.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 Your page is a tissue of lies. All anyone has to do is go to it. The first lie is that you ran the LA Marathon in 3:17:44. There is no record of this and you continue to try to convey the image that there is something wrong with me. No professed Christian would curse as you do. No military man with the alleged accomplishments that your page claims would write like you do. What are you going to do, continue this charade indefinitely? All anyone has to do is read your posts.
SpectraView1 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 - Tissue? LOL, the only tissue you need is the stuff to wipe your eyes, you've done so much CRYIN'....
Like I said, the very SAME SITE you listed has the time I ran (3:17:44) listed, but you're obviously too damn stupid to see it or you simply prefer to play obtuse...and plenty of Christians use all kinds of language, we've not perfect, just saved. As for your opinion of how a military man would write, you're certainly no expert on ANYTHING military, so troll harder.
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......(GASPING FOR AIR) Fastest kid alive....
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@Spectraview1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Asafa Powell]: generation as a certain Mr Usain Bolt - a fellow Jamaican who just so happens to be the greatest and most naturally gifted sprinter that has ever lived (in all probability).
Oh, and just one more thing (about Mr Powell) ... he has broken the 10 second "barrier" - in the 100 m sprint - on 73 occasions, no less. That is an awesome achievement, so it is.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@Spectraview1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Asafa Powell]: some 20 years ago - would have finished a substantial one-and-a-half metres behind 'Powelly'.
Although this great Jamaican sprinter is fortunate to have been blessed with so much natural talent as an athlete, he is also entitled to consider himself ill-fated, in one sense: I am referring, of course, to the fact that he was born in the same
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@Spectraview1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Asafa Powell]: two separate occasions - in June, 2005 and September, 2007. What is more, he also equalled the world record (which, at the time, was his own) on two occasions - back in the summer of 2006.
His current personal best time [9.72 seconds] was set at sea-level - and in weather conditions which were by no means ideal for sprinting. (There was only a negligible tail-wind.) Even the great Carl Lewis - at his peak
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@Spectraview1: Sir: I refer to your bizarre comment (and I quote your exact words, verbatim): '[Asafa] Powell is a "modern-day" sprinter?!"
Well, of course Mr Powell is a modern-day sprinter, you muppet. He is 28 years of age, and began competing as an international athlete in 2002 ... not nineteen-f******- fifty-two !!
You appear to have very little respect for this great Jamaican sprinter. May I point out that this gentleman has broken the WORLD RECORD (for the 100 metres sprint) on
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph You're distorting the meaning of my comment which is typical. You stated Powell was a modern day sprinter as compared with Valery Borzov. The implication in your statement was that Borzov was someone in ancient history, and I - as an intelligent White man - refuted you. Powell is a "modern day" sprinter yes. But he is not a "modern-day" sprinter in comparison with Valery Borzov. Borzov is just as "modern-day". One can tell your young age just by the way you write.
SpectraView1 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 Sir: Actually I am a middle-aged man (46 years of age); not some callow kid of 17 or 18.
I am old enough - just (!) - to remember Valeriy Borzov's outstanding performances in the 100 metres and 200 metres sprints at the Munich Olympics, back in September 1972. I have the utmost respect for Borzov; he was a super confident, ice-cool competitor whose temperament and character were perfect (or something approacing that) for a international athlete.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 Actually, sir, my style of writing is nothing like that of a young person or teenager. In fact, some people have complained that my writing style is too formal and pedantic for their liking !
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@Spectraview1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Mr Valeriy Borzov]: be regarded as THE greatest IC1 ("white") sprinter of all time. (Is one still allowed to make comments of that nature, in this Politically Correct era in which we live?!)
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@Spectraview1 Sir: I yield to no one in my respect for Mr Valeriy Borzov; the great Ukranian sprinter who won 2 Gold medals (in the 100 and 200 metres, respectively) at the Munich Olympics, back in 1972.
Indeed, I firmly believe that Mr Borzov was the greatest sprinter (bar none) on God's Earth at that particular time. (He had probably been the number 1 sprinter in the world 12 months earlier - in the summer of 1971 - too, for that matter.)
I would even say that Mr Borzov deserves to
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TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - Mister, you're a child and you've been schooled. Class dismissed.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about African distance runners]: if it had not been for the fact that he was denied the opportunity to compete in those Games.
Oh, and just one more thing, sir ...... your claim that TWENTY-ONE 17/18-year-old kids have run the 100 metres in under 10.11 seconds [the personal best time of Mr Allan Wells, the 1980 Olympic champion] has no basis in fact whatsoever. In other words, your claim is FALSE.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - My lord, you're long winded, yet YOU have the balls to call ME a troll, there's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. My point was that Yifter DID win, he IS African and he WAS ranked #1 in the 10,000 and he won the race in the 4th fastest time in the world that year. Well beat a group of also-rans (save Leonard) in the slowest final in 20 years and was not ranked #1.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph "Thanks for misquoting me, but here's what I REALLY said: "As i said, several school boys have run much faster than Wells ever did." And then I stated, 21 junior or youth sprinters (school boys) have all run faster than Wells did at anytime in his career. All you have to do is look it up, the proof is readily available on-line. In other words, my claim is TRUE.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about African distance running]: that he was a phenemonal athlete, by breaking FOUR world records: in the 3000 metres, 5000 metres, 10,000 metres and 3000 metres steeplechase, respectively.
I would suggest to you, Mr 'Broadjumper', that it is well within the bounds of possibility that the excellent Kenyan runner - Mr Rono - would have triumphed over his Ethiopian rival - Mr Yifter - at the Olympic Games in Moscow, back in 1980,
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about African distance running]: was totally unaffected by the major political boycott of that year's Games, may I remind you that one of the nations that did not compete in Moscow was ... KENYA ! The greatest long-distance runner in the world at that time - 1980 - was generally considered to be Mr Henry Rono, of the aforementioned nation. Only two years before the Moscow Olympics, Mr Rono demonstrated - in spectacular fashion -
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - Dude, you're a MORON...KENYA is where? AFRICA! You JUST proved my point! AFRICA IS DISTANCE RUNNING. I never claimed the games were "unaffected" by the political boycott, but there's LITTLE doubt than AFRICANS would have won the 10,000. By 1980 Yifter was dominant (ranked world #1) and since then rarely has a non-African runner achieved much against the African distance domination.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1: [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about African distance running]: in South Korea yesterday (Sunday, 4th September)? I might add that the British athlete to whom I refer - the excellent Mohammed Farah - has run faster times than any African runner this year, at both the long-distance track events - i.e. 5000 and 10,000 metres, respectively.
And, as for your suggestion that the quality of the long-distance events at the Moscow Olympic Games (in July/August 1980)
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - Again, Mo Farah is Somali and he trains in Kenya. It's great you're proud of his accomplishment, but when you're finally able to do it with a home grown athlete, THEN you can talk about a real BRITISH accomplishment.
25 of the 36 distance medals awarded at this world championship went to AFRICAN runners, and four more went to African-born athletes but you wanna point to ONE ex-pat African to suggest that Europeans are more dominant? My original comments stands uncompromised.
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TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph well said
MsRuth02 4 months ago
@MsRuth02 I thank you for your support, Ruth; it is much appreciated.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper Oh, and just one more thing, sir ...
From what I understand, you are a devout Christian ... yes? Therefore you should not use 'industrial' language; to do so is to sin against your faith (unless i am very much mistaken).
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - OH, Ok, you wanna go there? alright.
1) We all try to be Christlike, but as humans we all fall short. but when Christ drove the Money Changers from the Temple, he called them a "den of thieves" so he was none too pleasant about it.
2) The Bible says NOTHING against voicing one's opinions, even if they're not popular or well-received.
3) How I choose to respond to the attacks of others is between my God and me. Concern yourself with your own relationship with God, not MINE.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about the 1980 Olympics]:
medals did Miritus Yifter win at a non-boycotted Games?
(2) How many Olympic GOLD medals did Steve Ovett win at a non-boycotted Games?
Your rhetorical question about the great Scottish sprinter of the late 1970's/early 1980's - Allan Wells - implies that, in order to be considered a GREAT athlete, one has to win a Gold medal at an Olympic Games which is totally free of political 'boycotts'.
YOU MUPPET!
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - Yifter? LOL! The Africans ARE distance running, If they're running in the games, it's non-boycotted. He also was ranked #1 in the world in the 10,000. Steve Ovett's only real competition was from his OWN countrymen, Seb Coe and he set multiple WRs.
And no, you've TOTALLY mischaracterized what I'm saying, and that's THIS: To be considered a GREAT athlete, one has to do MORE than win a Gold medal at boycotted Olympic Games.
YOU MORON!
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 Don't call me a moron, you arrogant, self-righteous, sanctomonious bastard.
It is my guess - judging by some of the comments that you have 'posted' on this You Tube site, of late - that you do not know anywhere as much about track and field athletics as you think you do.
With regard to your flippant remark: "The Africans ARE distance running", i would respond by asking you this: How come a BRITISH gentleman triumphed in the 5000 metres final at the World Championships
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@TheEctomorph - Oh, I'm SO sorry, you're feeling inferior, do try to get over it. Whether or not you happen to agree with my opinion doesn't mean I'm not well versed in all aspects of Track & Field. I'm certain I know more than enough to counter your pitiful arguments.
As for Mo Farah, that's amusing...you DO know he's Somaili born don't you? And he TRAINS with Kenyan distance runners. So because he has British citizenship, that somehow eliminates his African heritage?
Did I say moron?
broadjumper1 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 Sir: I refer to your comment (and I quote your exact words, verbatim): "MY PRs in the 100/200 aren't relevant to this discussion, how many GOLD medas did Wells win in a non-boycotted Games? Same number that I did, ZERO."
Well, to be honest I would have to agree that your PRs for the 100 and 200 m sprints are not relevant to this discussion. However, with regard to your question about Mr Wells, I would respond by asking YOU a couple of questions:
(1) How many Olympic Gold
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@broadjumper1 [Continuing on from my previous 'post' about Allan Wells]: super fast, 'magic carpet ' tracks - which are commonplace on the international athletics circuit in this day and age.
I am convinced that Mr Wells (and Mr Borzov before him) were talented enough to sprint 100 metres in under 10.00 sec. Unfortunately, however, they never had the opportunity to compete on the super-fast, 'magic carpet' tracks that are available to the athletes of the 21st century.
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@TheEctomorph - Oh Christ, STOP whining..what I'M convinced of is that you'll rationalize what ever you can to believe Wells was an elite sprinter. Let me save you he trouble, Borzov was (whether he was clean or not is another question) since he was able to medal in two Olympics. Wells was NOT. He might have broken 10.00 on these "super-fast, 'magic carpet' tracks" as you call them, but he never did so at best, all you have is conjecture.
broadjumper1 4 months ago
We need to dope up Christophe LeMaitre with the same stuff as his competitors. He will then be able to run in the low 9.8's and possibly mid 9.7's. he's got the right frame and has speed, he just lacks power and endurance. He could be the next Borzov.
TheAngeltoDemon 5 months ago
@TheAngeltoDemon F**k off! Athletes who take banned performance-enhancing 'persian rugs', in an attempt to gain an unfair advantage over those who don't take drugs, are CHEATS. Pure and simpleI
I firmly believe that Christophe LeMaitre is a clean athlete, and I very much hope that he stays that way. As regards your claim that this French speedster lacks speed endurance, I would just say this: his P.B. (for the 200 metres) is 19.80.
Shame on you for condoning the use of 'persian rugs'.
TheEctomorph 5 months ago
@TheEctomorph I also firmly believe Christophe is clean. The reality is if he wants gold, he will have to dope because his competitors do. I'm a big fan of LeMaitre, he is a true natural talent, regardless of race, but his sucess would inspire other races to truly believe they can run in the big leagues. Sorry to break it to you, but athletics are very very dirty, you should know that, you are rooting for cheats in igorance.
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TheEctomorph 5 months ago
@TheEctomorph It is possible. It's a shame that the sprints are such a cutthroat event, where one hundreths of a second count. This years champs, i think half were clean, it's just a shame, you never know. And for Bolt, time will tell. It's simple, he is either the true lighting bolt rarity of a talent, or he will be the biggest shame EVER. It would be too devastating for the sport if bolt got caught, because people would never ever believe in WR integrity again. We'll see.
TheAngeltoDemon 4 months ago
In terms of sheer physical ability, Valeriy Borzov was somewhat less gifted than the modern-day sprinter Asafa Powell. However, Borzov's temperament and character were far more conducive to athletic success than Powell's.
On so many occasions during the last 7 years, the brilliant Jamaican has failed to live up to expectations at the 'open' athletics championships - i.e. the Olympic Games and the 'Worlds'.
If only Mr Powell had the same temperament and character as the ice-cool Mr Borzov !
TheEctomorph 5 months ago
@TheEctomorph I find it hard to believe some of the comments that I read. Powell is a "modern-day" sprinter?! Borzov last competed in 1980. What was 1980, the ancient Greek Olympics? And I'll tell you another thing. Borzov was most likely far more disciplined than any of your so-called "modern-day" sprinters. His training program was also likely to be superior to your so-called "modern-day" sprinter Asafa Powell. "Modern-day" indeed!
SpectraView1 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 Sir: You appear to have misunderstood my comments about Mr Powell (and indeed about Mr Borzov) completely.
I have repeatedly made it clear (on this You Tube board) that I have the utmost respect for the 1972 Olympic sprint champion. Indeed, I firmly believe that he stood out as being the greatest sprinter of his generation. Borzov was greater than Eddie Hart and Reynaud Robinson - no matter what some American athletics fans and pundits may say to the contrary. He was also
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
@SpectraView1 [Continuing on from my previous comments about Mr Valeriy Borzov]: greater than Hasely Crawford and Don Quarrie - the 2 outstanding Carribean sprinters of the 1970's. That is my humble opinion, at any rate.
If you think that I have been critical of the gr8 Valeriy Borzov - in any of the comments that I have 'posted' on this (or any other You Tube board) - then you are about as far off the mark as it is possible to be ... SIR.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
Mentally - as well as physically - Valeriy Borzov was in superb shape at the time of the Munich Olympic Games in 1972. I believe that a knowledgeable athletics writer once described him as "a human machine, totally unaffected by the importance of the race, or by the quality of the opposition."
That was perhaps an exaggeration/distortion of the truth. However, the fact remains that Borzov's temperament and character were perfect (or very close to it) for a top-class competitite athlete.
TheEctomorph 5 months ago
I firmly believe that Mr Borzov would still have prevailed in the Olympic 100 metres sprint final on 1st September, 1972 - even if the two outstanding American sprinters of that year (Eddie Hart and Reynaud Robinson) had been in the race.
I believe this because Mr Borzov had a such a superb temperament for competing in prestigious events, such as the Olympic Games. Mentally, he was a very strong and well balanced person; he was not the type of athlete who was liable to crack under pressure.
TheEctomorph 5 months ago
What a magnificent sprinter Valeriy Borzov was back in 1972, when he was young and in his prime.
There are some cynics who say that he was over-rated as an athlete, and that he would never have won that big race in Munich - on 1st September 1972 - if he had had to compete against Mr Edward Hart and Mr Reynaud Robinson (the two top American sprinters of the era).
However, I firmly believe that - at that particular time - Mr Borzov was genuinely the fastest human being on God's Earth.
TheEctomorph 5 months ago
I know people who know Borzov personally, and he was not a drug user. He didnt take steroid injections..he did use vitamins and vitamin injections, but also had a sick sick traininig regimien. His strength size ratio was much higher than anyone else his size, he had lightening quick reflexes, and was so fit that no one could touch him. Perhaps the Americans could have beaten him, but that day, he was the best.
metsdudenj 5 months ago
An eastern block athlete running in the 70's....no drugs there!!
Midnightrambler3760 5 months ago
And finally of equal importance is that the best and fastest American athletes of that era were playing pro football, US track and filed then was completely composed of college age amateur athletes so you had American boys running against a Russina man, it's like having the NCAA 100m champion run against the Tyson Gaye it's a joke.
ericwycoff 6 months ago
@ericwycoff The best and fastest American athletes of that era were NOT playing pro football, they were sprinting in the Olympic Trials. And the fastest Black athletes of that era could not have defeated Valery Borzov for the Olympic Gold Medal at the Munich Games. Do you make up your own facts to fit your "politically correct" world view?
SpectraView1 5 months ago
Absolutely, it is damned sad for Eddie Hart and Ray Robinson that they missed their heats. Would they have beaten Borzov in '72, head to head, in the Olympic final? Impossible to say but to Borzov's credit, he had peaked at exactly the right time and was in incredibly fit shape--for instance, during his four-year build up to Munich, Borzov had a rubber belt tied around his waist. The belt had a hook on the back, and a rope led from that hook to a VW Bug. He ran repeat 100s that way.
Bravo6Whiskey 6 months ago
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sciencestudent342 7 months ago
did he really beat a black guy?
mossbrady81 7 months ago
He doesn't look juiced..
kevinherbert 8 months ago
@kevinherbert That's right; back in 1972, Valeriy Borzov did not have the appearance of an athlete bulked up by 'persian rugs'. Although he was renowned for having large and exceedingly powerful thighs (as you would expect, of a world-class sprinter), Mr Borzov was not all that heavily muscled in his upper body. In fact, he was considerably slighter and less heavily muscled [back in 1972] than Bob Hayes had been, 8 years earlier in 1964.
I firmly believe that Mr Borzov was a 'clean' athlete.
TheEctomorph 5 months ago
@kevinherbert Further to the 'post' about Valeriy Borzov and Bob Hayes which I wrote on this You Tube board last month (August 2011), I would like to make it clear that I do not believe, for one moment, that the well-built American sprint champion of 1964 (Mr Hayes) was a drugs cheat. 'Bullet' Bob was a very powerful and heavily muscled guy - a lot more powerful than most of today's world class sprinters, in fact - but his impressive physique was the result of favourable genetic inheritance.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
ALL WHITE ATHLETES HAVE PERFECT FORM.WHITES ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT AND STRONGEST RACE.WE HAVE to be strong,,,hundreds OF YEARS OF CARRYING STUPID BLACKS.We have spent 200 years trying to teach them English....and most of them still jabber. I did have a negro friend who bragged constantly with nothing to brag about and this cat was UG-LEE.We took a ride yesterday and he kept sticking his head out of the window and his lips beat him to death.sad.
bear022013 9 months ago
@bear022013 : fuck off dimwit.......
kevinherbert 8 months ago
@bear022013 more than half of Americans in United States are OBESE. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP
korea902 8 months ago
@bear022013 F**k off, you ignorant, bigoted, racist c u next tuesday !
Black people are definitely NOT inferior to us 'IC1's'. Let me put it this way; it will be a long time before a white man is capable of sprinting 100 metres in 9.58 seconds. (And when - or rather if - it eventually does happen, the chances are that the first white guy to sprint that fast will be a 'persian rugs' cheat.)
Oh, and btw, how many of the great heavyweight boxers of the last 100 years have been white men???
TheEctomorph 5 months ago
@TheEctomorph Jack Dempsey, Jim Corbett, Bob Fitzsimmons, John L. Sullivan, Jim Jeffries, Max Schmeling, Rocky Marciano,The Klitchko brothers, Billy Conn, James J. Braddock, Gene Tunney, Nikolai Valuev are some.
SpectraView1 5 months ago
@SpectraView1 I take your point, sir. My knowledge of boxing is not extensive, by any means. It would seem that I was mistaken in my assumption that there have been very few great 'IC1' boxers - at heavyweight level - during the last 100 years.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
Borzov had perfect running form.
CaneFu 9 months ago
@CaneFu Yes, indeed he did. The great Ukranian sprinter of the early 1970's was pleasing to behold when sprinting at top speed ...... he was like poetry in motion, so he was. (That is a bit of a cliche, I know).
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
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Why? Shouldn't we see Borzov at the start? The video is about him after all. I would recommend that people who view this video view videos on youtube of past Olympic Sprint finals and see the number of White Sprinters in them. They weren't arrogant showboats who behaved as spoiled children with the emotional development of young adolescents either. They acted like adults, both the men and women.
SpectraView1 9 months ago
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Why? Shouldn't we see Borzov at the start? The video is about him after all. I would recommend that people who view this video view videos on youtube of past Olympic Sprint finals and see the number of White Sprinters in them. They weren't arrogant showboats who behaved as spoiled children with the emotional development of young adolescents either. They acted like adults, both the men and women.
SpectraView1 9 months ago
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SpectraView1 9 months ago
I mentioned how the media gives credit to Black athletes and puts down White athletes. The icon (if that's the right word for it) for this video is a perfect example. This video is supposed to be about Valery Borzov, yet when you type in "Valery Borzov" and this video comes up in the search results, who do we see - Borzov at the starting line? No. We see a Black athlete at the starting line. This tends to make those not in the "know" think that the person depicted is Borzov.-
SpectraView1 9 months ago
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@SpectraView1 , YOU ARE 100% correct.It sickens me when this happens..all of the time now.bear022013@hotmail.com Borzov was great!
bear022013 9 months ago
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@SpectraView1 - "this video is a perfect example. This video is supposed to be about Valery Borzov, yet when you type in "Valery Borzov" and this video comes up in the search results, who do we see - Borzov at the starting line? No. We see a Black athlete at the starting line."
Wow, stupid beyond belief. First off, the FIRST race we see in THIS video is Borzov WINNING a race (0:17) and the first qualifying race we see shows BORZOV at the line (1:15). What video are you babbling about?
broadjumper1 6 months ago
Les derniers blancs champions olympiques en sprint étaient
Welles et Menea
L 'EPO existait déjà ?
MrJeepsters 10 months ago
Even Jamaica had a runner finish in the top three... So no drugs just talent and some genetics
dawgyblack 10 months ago
Please note that Valeriy Borzov was UKRANIAN, not Russian.
Да что Вы в этом понимаете? Думаете, на Украине живут одни украинцы? У меня там родственники с украинской фамилией(в отличие от Борзова, на "енко" оканчивающейся), так они - не украинцы, а донские казаки.
alexcccful 11 months ago
How about the French sprinter this year, 9.97.
noelimit23 1 year ago
FACT: Wait a minute, guys. I agree with most of the statements assessing Borzov's talent level: amazing, but not the best of all time. However, I think that some of you are being overly harsh against him because of the old "Russia vs. the Western World" thing.
Please note that Valeriy Borzov was UKRANIAN, not Russian. The Russians branded him as Russian under the Soviet Union athletic machine, and he was forced to cooperate. If you don't like Russians, don't blame Borzov.
Visionary0001 1 year ago
@Visionary0001
And what do you know about Russians? Have you heard about all the ethnic Russians in Western Ukraine? The OV ending is Russian; the ENKO ending is Ukrainian.
haalcion 10 months ago
? So. He has devoted his whole life to Ukrainian sport, and politics, not Russian, including serving as Ukrainian Sports Minister. He also holds Ukrainian citizenship.
perogymonster 10 months ago
@Visionary0001 I agree wholeheartedly with those comments, sir. Good on you.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
the great thing about sports is its based on what you did not coulda, woulda, shouda. Borzov beat everyone that lined up with him in 72. He was the best sprinter in the world, why? Cuz, he had the gold medals to prove it.
bigman9099 1 year ago
@bigman9099 Well said, big man; very well said. Mr Borzov walked the walk, so to speak ...... whereas certain other gifted sprinters (including Mr Edward Hart) merely talked the talk. Having said that, I would like to make it clear that I have nothing against Hart, and I realize that it was not his fault that he didn't get the opportunity to compete against Borzov at the '72 Olympics.
TheEctomorph 4 months ago
Eddie Hart would have beaten him. The 4x100 relay is telling. Although Hart got the baton before Borzov in the anchor leg, not only did Borzov fail to close the distance, Hart increased the gap by running a faster leg.
LingamSpit 1 year ago
@LingamSpit
Did you actually watch the Munich 4x100 relay Lingam Spit?
If you had then you would not have made such a ridiculous comment.
townstreet 1 year ago
@townstreet yes I did, and it wasn't even close.
LingamSpit 1 year ago
@LingamSpit
Be a good boy and have another look (Its on You Tube somewhere).
"Hart got the baton before Borzov". You are a master of understatement aren't you old bean.
townstreet 1 year ago
@townstreet Had Eddie Hart raced him in the 100m, he would beaten Borzo by a half step....at least. I'm being kind to Borzo too now, and you know it.
LingamSpit 1 year ago
@LingamSpit
I'm afraid that I know nothing of the sort old chap.
Perhaps you could present some evidence to substantiate your rather bizarre claim.
townstreet 1 year ago