BTW, initially I was impressed with Mr. Wells for what I heard from him. But I had no idea he was a Rev. Moon follower. I no longer have any regard for Mr. Wells.. I am not seeking to defend him in my arguments.. I am speaking of things I believe to be true about evolution and of things I have experienced with Jesus Christ and know to be true about God.
I admire the fact that Wells stated science is about examining the real world. If creationism and science are at opposite poles, then what is creationism examining?
The scientific method is to prove the validity of a theory through experimentation and recreating what the theory espouses to be true. Darwinism is a theory because it can't be reproduced through experimentation. It is based on faith, not fact. That is not science but conjecture which is defined as the formation of a theory without sufficient evidence for proof. All of life originated from one common ancestor? Prove it by the scientific method, not a philosophy of faith. You can't do it.
I don't know what you are arguing. What I said is true, is it not? No one understands how life began, just theories, and can't re-create what they believe to be true through experimentation. Am I off here? If you can't reproduce it, it remains a theory and "faith", not proven fact. Right, wrong, something I've missed?
Not interested in debating, btw. Got other things to do.
@dp19032k9 "a theory and faith"? The former is belief without supporting evidence, the latter is not. You're clueless about the meaning of the word theory.
@ndrthrdr1 I assume you mean the latter is belief without supporting evidence (faith). What I believe evolutionists have done is take legitimate evidence from artifacts that have been found, or from data which has been reproduced through the scientific method, at the species level or about that level, on a limited basis and have "assumed" that such data also applies to a broader universal population, i.e. Kingdoms, Phylum, and Classes, without using the scientific method to prove it.
@ndrthrdr1 As far as the "assumption" that Christian faith is without supporting evidence, you speak of a subject of which I don't believe you know anything of. Many evolutionists believe that the idea of a God or Jesus Christ is simply a myth. My own experiences with Christ confirm he was raised from the dead and I have gained such experience through the vehicle of "faith" which Christ requires. It doesn't end there, however. Christ promises to manifest Himself to those who have "faith".
@ndrthrdr1 Hebrews 11:6 "And without faith it is impossible to please him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists AND THAT HE REWARDS THOSE WHO SEEK HIM."
This scripture states God will reward a person's faith. There are other scriptures where Christ promises to "manifest" Himself to those who believe. I may have been a blind sheep following blindly at the start, but God made good on his promise to me. I can't deny such proof of His existence.
Exelente! Viva Shermer ....hi thinks for the North Americas mayority Good!.....this documentary its good only for non superticious ,o diosero hehehehehehe,
@phixl Seguro que eres unos de esos creyentes,dioseros SUPERTICIOSO fanático, Im think you live in middle ages hahahahaha Are you sure that you address is in North Am?...maybe du you live in colombia,bangladesh hehehehehe?....
Common descent with modification over billions of years is not a fact that the brain-dead born-again can dispute. They will desperately try to change the augment away from this subject to some other crap that has nothing to do with evolution. Stick to the subject, don’t let them change the augment and you will always win.
Jonathan is just being pointing out how stupid Shermers unmathematical process work. Shermer just pointed out the Eye process of the cornea backwards! You guys believe this Shermer guy, you guys are all philosophers as well, Evolution is not science, is not applied to methods of calculation, it doesn't predict anything! Its just another attempt to disprove God. lol..Then shermer says "We think that because everything looks designed we are too" Engineers will agree!
@ChristianBibleSword Evolution does not disprove god. The vast majority of Christians accept Evolution due to the weight of indisputable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable fact. You have far bigger problems with a bible showing your god endorsing slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, child sacrifice, incest, sexism, racism and the immoral act of punishing an innocent for the crimes of another. This is what you should focus on shoring up, Evolution says nothing about god for or against.
Lying for Jesus/Moon? "The evolution of the eye was not demonstrated. Macroevolution was never observed". What a hipocrite lyer, that Mr. Wells! But do you wonder? ID proponents have to lie - they don't have anything to disprove evolution or prove ID.
Our eyes are regenerating video cameras? Then why do many of us need glasses? Why do most predatory animals have better vision than us? It is by no means a perfect "design"...
I don't know if it is just, but the Discovery Institute people make me feel dirty...after watching this for a couple minutes I find myself wanting to bathe.
@1n354a Your’e a paper tiger and a fool, and a weak one at that. You are scared and it’s sadly telling by tone of your entire tirade. Perhaps you should consider taking a course in logic as well. I certainly would recommend it.
Wells is full of crap. He even lied about his time in prison. , it wasnt' merely his "opposition to the war" that landed him in the klink. He went AWOL during vietnam
if you go AWOL... I would say you were opposed to the war....... wouldn't you? It also means you were opposed to the draft.. but clearly opposed to the war as well.
He makes it sound like he was busted for protesting when he was actually just bottled out and ran. He was happy to serve in germany in the 50's when it wasn't dangerous so he had no opposition to the army, just an aversion to personal danger. I know what my grandaddy called that...
He refutes transitional forms without any evidence apart from an argument about cars that is not analogous to the topic.
5.31 A bare faced lie. Also suggesting that darwinism(sic) is a theory in itself is dishonest and shows at best an ignorance of the subject or a deliberate attempt to mislead.
wow... this segment is hard to watch. How did this man aquire a phd in cell biology? Hes misquotes Shermer about science being the story of our time and states science is not a story. Are you a moron? He did not state science is a story, he states science is the achievement and triumph of our age. Complete moron. And science is strictly material and natural and does not entertain the supernatural as an explanation. God damnit who would give this moron a phd?
This is part of the qualification for being a Fundie. I am sure that Fundies do not realize the harm they do to their cause by telling such outright lies.
BTW, initially I was impressed with Mr. Wells for what I heard from him. But I had no idea he was a Rev. Moon follower. I no longer have any regard for Mr. Wells.. I am not seeking to defend him in my arguments.. I am speaking of things I believe to be true about evolution and of things I have experienced with Jesus Christ and know to be true about God.
dp19032k9 4 months ago
I admire the fact that Wells stated science is about examining the real world. If creationism and science are at opposite poles, then what is creationism examining?
strikenetter 1 year ago
The scientific method is to prove the validity of a theory through experimentation and recreating what the theory espouses to be true. Darwinism is a theory because it can't be reproduced through experimentation. It is based on faith, not fact. That is not science but conjecture which is defined as the formation of a theory without sufficient evidence for proof. All of life originated from one common ancestor? Prove it by the scientific method, not a philosophy of faith. You can't do it.
dp19032k9 1 year ago
@dp19032k9 So thhe theory of sexual reproduction cannot be reproduced through experimentation then?
AEVautomatic 8 months ago
@AEVautomatic
I don't know what you are arguing. What I said is true, is it not? No one understands how life began, just theories, and can't re-create what they believe to be true through experimentation. Am I off here? If you can't reproduce it, it remains a theory and "faith", not proven fact. Right, wrong, something I've missed?
Not interested in debating, btw. Got other things to do.
dp19032k9 8 months ago
@dp19032k9 Anyone who says "just theories" clearly doesn't understand what a scientific theory actually is.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
@dp19032k9 "a theory and faith"? The former is belief without supporting evidence, the latter is not. You're clueless about the meaning of the word theory.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 I assume you mean the latter is belief without supporting evidence (faith). What I believe evolutionists have done is take legitimate evidence from artifacts that have been found, or from data which has been reproduced through the scientific method, at the species level or about that level, on a limited basis and have "assumed" that such data also applies to a broader universal population, i.e. Kingdoms, Phylum, and Classes, without using the scientific method to prove it.
dp19032k9 4 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 As far as the "assumption" that Christian faith is without supporting evidence, you speak of a subject of which I don't believe you know anything of. Many evolutionists believe that the idea of a God or Jesus Christ is simply a myth. My own experiences with Christ confirm he was raised from the dead and I have gained such experience through the vehicle of "faith" which Christ requires. It doesn't end there, however. Christ promises to manifest Himself to those who have "faith".
dp19032k9 4 months ago
@dp19032k9 Done insisting that your cult is based on reality?
Good.
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
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dp19032k9 4 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 I am done here. I know Christ is risen, it is no longer just faith. Happy trails with your "theories'.
dp19032k9 4 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Hebrews 11:6 "And without faith it is impossible to please him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists AND THAT HE REWARDS THOSE WHO SEEK HIM."
This scripture states God will reward a person's faith. There are other scriptures where Christ promises to "manifest" Himself to those who believe. I may have been a blind sheep following blindly at the start, but God made good on his promise to me. I can't deny such proof of His existence.
dp19032k9 4 months ago
Exelente! Viva Shermer ....hi thinks for the North Americas mayority Good!.....this documentary its good only for non superticious ,o diosero hehehehehehe,
elmachucho 1 year ago
... can no creationist, of any faith, stop mentioning abiogenesis whenever evolution comes up? Pisses me off.
Asrahn 1 year ago
the atmosphere got really dark when wells got on
wokkitout 1 year ago
Wow.... how much can someone lie in a short time?
drnekodr 1 year ago 2
"Darwinism is false"...brilliant
phixl 1 year ago
@phixl Seguro que eres unos de esos creyentes,dioseros SUPERTICIOSO fanático, Im think you live in middle ages hahahahaha Are you sure that you address is in North Am?...maybe du you live in colombia,bangladesh hehehehehe?....
elmachucho 1 year ago
Common descent with modification over billions of years is not a fact that the brain-dead born-again can dispute. They will desperately try to change the augment away from this subject to some other crap that has nothing to do with evolution. Stick to the subject, don’t let them change the augment and you will always win.
itsasin1969 1 year ago
Shemmer is a philosopher!
Jonathan is just being pointing out how stupid Shermers unmathematical process work. Shermer just pointed out the Eye process of the cornea backwards! You guys believe this Shermer guy, you guys are all philosophers as well, Evolution is not science, is not applied to methods of calculation, it doesn't predict anything! Its just another attempt to disprove God. lol..Then shermer says "We think that because everything looks designed we are too" Engineers will agree!
ChristianBibleSword 1 year ago
@ChristianBibleSword Evolution does not disprove god. The vast majority of Christians accept Evolution due to the weight of indisputable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable fact. You have far bigger problems with a bible showing your god endorsing slavery, rape, genocide, infanticide, child sacrifice, incest, sexism, racism and the immoral act of punishing an innocent for the crimes of another. This is what you should focus on shoring up, Evolution says nothing about god for or against.
myjizzureye 1 year ago 2
Reminds me of the Bad Religion song- Flat Earth Society.
progressthruscience 2 years ago
Lying for Jesus/Moon? "The evolution of the eye was not demonstrated. Macroevolution was never observed". What a hipocrite lyer, that Mr. Wells! But do you wonder? ID proponents have to lie - they don't have anything to disprove evolution or prove ID.
yegorletoff 2 years ago
Wells is a moonie (loony)? Not much else needs to be said.
sads404 2 years ago 2
Our eyes are regenerating video cameras? Then why do many of us need glasses? Why do most predatory animals have better vision than us? It is by no means a perfect "design"...
tsrox20 2 years ago 2
I don't know if it is just, but the Discovery Institute people make me feel dirty...after watching this for a couple minutes I find myself wanting to bathe.
1n354a 2 years ago 12
Yah.. or kick a squirrel (I'm not into punching babies).
8DX 2 years ago
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@1n354a Your’e a paper tiger and a fool, and a weak one at that. You are scared and it’s sadly telling by tone of your entire tirade. Perhaps you should consider taking a course in logic as well. I certainly would recommend it.
Seigu007 3 months ago
Wells is full of crap. He even lied about his time in prison. , it wasnt' merely his "opposition to the war" that landed him in the klink. He went AWOL during vietnam
dave4248 2 years ago
if you go AWOL... I would say you were opposed to the war....... wouldn't you? It also means you were opposed to the draft.. but clearly opposed to the war as well.
xnothingbutthetruth 2 years ago
He makes it sound like he was busted for protesting when he was actually just bottled out and ran. He was happy to serve in germany in the 50's when it wasn't dangerous so he had no opposition to the army, just an aversion to personal danger. I know what my grandaddy called that...
croutonfada 2 years ago
@xnothingbutthetruth Or opposed to getting shot at, I'm not exactly putting my hand up for that either.
myjizzureye 1 year ago
Planet of the Apes!
aldraw 2 years ago
Wells just drives out a clown car full of long refuted arguments. He just does it with a little more gravitas than Kirk Cameron.
phalsebob 2 years ago 3
I can prove everything that he says is wrong about evolution, just by using google.
Sqirril 2 years ago
Jonathan Wells is a big fat whale! a sign of a design...
a transitional species..
A fat capuchin, whale and pig
Nades129 2 years ago
Ths is is a good example of why Creationists should not be debated live, but only on paper. Wells just makes crap up -- no new species? Please.
Naiant 2 years ago
Oh lawdy "Actually the eye isn't how this guy describes it" uh, yes it is. Lying for Jesus there?
Pirochiro 3 years ago
This guy has two PhDs?? Are you fucking kidding me? He is ignorant of damn near everything!
It's facepalm time....wait maybe it's headdesk time^^
HumanStrategy 3 years ago
Speciation HAS been observed many, many times. Google speciation if you are interested.
slipcurve 3 years ago
Creationists apparently don't have appendages to type in the required letters on a keyboard. They have evolved away from that ability^^
HumanStrategy 3 years ago
Evolutionists are fond of insulting creationists.
RebelRay 3 years ago
Yes, because of their stupidity. It's one of our favorite past times^^
HumanStrategy 3 years ago
any such Googling would land a true blue creationist in hell for all time.
it says so in the bible.
1n354a 2 years ago
He refutes transitional forms without any evidence apart from an argument about cars that is not analogous to the topic.
5.31 A bare faced lie. Also suggesting that darwinism(sic) is a theory in itself is dishonest and shows at best an ignorance of the subject or a deliberate attempt to mislead.
mattblackcat 3 years ago
wow this guys doesit watch youtube ...cuz there a vid that shows the evolution of the eye really well
thenollie3 3 years ago 3
wow... this segment is hard to watch. How did this man aquire a phd in cell biology? Hes misquotes Shermer about science being the story of our time and states science is not a story. Are you a moron? He did not state science is a story, he states science is the achievement and triumph of our age. Complete moron. And science is strictly material and natural and does not entertain the supernatural as an explanation. God damnit who would give this moron a phd?
samol 3 years ago
I'm amazed at how bald-faced he is about his lies. "No one has ever documented the emergence of a new species..." Wow, just wow.
Hooya2 3 years ago 13
Agree 100 %! It is sad that some people will belive people like him just bacause they can not imagine that someone would lie like that.
Anarkokommunist 3 years ago 3
"bald-faced he is about his lies."
This is part of the qualification for being a Fundie. I am sure that Fundies do not realize the harm they do to their cause by telling such outright lies.
TMTGAU 3 years ago
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@Hooya2 What I want is evidence and not your emotion.Why are you unwilling, or better yet incapable of providing any evidence?
Seigu007 3 months ago
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SuperZwinky10 2 months ago