Stone point penetration test on a deer (HD)

[evansepicpwnage]

didn't think they would do full penetration

[Mrgreed004]

what a great video mate .... i was impressed on how the flint arrow head penetrates that deer .... thanks for this informative vid.

[godzilla20000000000]

wait, wont the length of the bow effect the strenth? the one at 1:45 looks a little short, that might just be me though

[The09121971]

I make stone arrowheads too and yes the have great penetration with my 48lb Osage long bow. Love your vid. Good job.

[44gavin44]

i feel the tip thats what she said

[Diveinwinetanks]

G'day ppw, an interesting topic and great to see the penetration of a napped flint head.

Have you done a video on the napping itself, would appreciate a link if you have.

A little off topic, but adds to low pound bows. I had a 32 lb 16" draw Osage bow that I called "Splinter", using metal blades, I took several wild goats (soft skin) distance ranging from 5 meters to 15 meters. At short range, complete pass through. Though on a pig, just broke the skin due to low arrow weight, no stored energy.

[roundweego1]

unbelievable . i would of never thought it be that deadly

[TheMojavegreen1]

Granted the deer might run and break the arrow, but I would think the arrows and tips would have been made to retract so the arrow was intact. Great vid thanks.

[ZeroWolfAlfa]

this rise a question, about broader points, they should get less penetration, due to there broader surface area. And maybe hit ribs, instead of sliding past them. or?

[tewright77]

This is a nice demonstration. I never got to actually see the penetration of a stone point before. I have been practicing flint knapping myself. No points to show off yet, just a few that broke on my right before i finished them.

Taking a deer with primitive gear that I made is on my bucket list. Right now I use a long bow with carbon arrows and zwickey broadheads.

Anyway, awesome vid. Thanks for sharing!

[Wertak68]

Very good demonstration, now someone should send this to the Mythbuster's show. They had a horrible show on this subject and concluded the reason for using stone points was simply prehistoric "bling". I have one comment or question, if the point goes half way in the animal I was told the movement of the animal running would produce additional cutting damage from the point precessing within the body cavity.

[gotrocksinhead]

Ive always wanted to try that with a roadkill or something. Great and informative vid!

[primitivepathways]

@gotrocksinhead Thanks buddy!! I've always been fascinated with primitive people and I wanted to show that the old guys knew their business and were capable hunters.

[gotrocksinhead]

@primitivepathways You definitely proved that 

[iCaliber93]

Thats really cool, I like hunting history.

[primitivepathways]

@iCaliber93 So do I. Glad you liked the video...

[TheMonster717]

That was great

[traprunners]

That's osm

[cornus2]

Great experiment and video. I love primitive bows.

[n3ngtha0]

that's crazy, nice video and thanks for sharing your research/experiment

[primitivepathways]

@n3ngtha0 You're very welcome! I'm glad you liked the video...

[TheBoomer789]

that was grat vid.can u sow us how 2 make the arrows

[GordyLove365]

you fucked bambi up

[out6of6my6mind]

Great video Billy.  How close were you to the deer?

[primitivepathways]

@out6of6my6mind I was about 10 yards away from the deer during this test.

[augustus7691]

Love the Video!

Thanks!

-gus

[MrNicebully]

survival, hunting , great love it , but do you hunt with your own bows ? We made two bows and went rabbit hunting, fun and with succes

[p000ner2012]

I have to laugh at this whole "meadowcroft" site. They're trying to conclude white people were the first ones here all based off of a similarity of spearhead/arrowhead shapes? Spearheads/arrowheads all have the same shape all over the earth. Everyone figured out the same things.

Anyway, good video. (and this new layout of youtube really sucks!)

[TheTribeOfBenjamin]

Great experiment! Nice to see those arrows in action! Thanks for putting this together!

Ben

[bushman0630]

Billy, that was a great video. I either learn something knew or have my understanding of things confirmed with each vid you post. Keep up the good work.  Tim

[primitivepathways]

@bushman0630 Thanks Tim!! Glad you liked it...

[NatureManGuy]

This reminds me of the "ugly points" article u wrote that first sparked my interest in primitive points

[primitivepathways]

@NatureManGuy Thanks Nature guy. Yeah stone points don't have to be pretty to be deadly. I've made numerous kills with ugly stone points and as long as they're sharp they definitely do the job.

[VictoryBeforeCombat]

awesomely interesting, thanks!

[BrainDeadGizmo]

i may have missed it, but from how far were these shots taken?

[Warbeast911]

pretty intresting, thx for sharing

[TheRobinAsshole]

I´m still drying the oak to make my primitive bow, just one more week :) between that time I'm making arrows, great tips you give! awsome video btw!

[arnoikke]

what would it do with a 50 lbs bow O_0

[primitivepathways]

@arnoikke The arrows would bury themselves up to the feathers and sometimes they will fly completely thru the deer and keep going.

[muzzyfunchkin]

Nice vid well done! What was the distance you were shooting from?

[primitivepathways]

@muzzyfunchkin I was about 10 yards from the deer...

[PartTimeNaturalist]

Thanks a lot. That was a very enlightening video.

[TS011969]

Entertaining, educational and thoughtful production.

[Guindonator]

Excellent work Billy

[karido013]

great video, but may i ask how many yards away were these shots taken, and do you think the change in yards would make a significant change on the shot outcome?... but do keep up the good work man. peace

[primitivepathways]

@karido013 I was 10 yards away from the deer. Yes I think longer distance would affect penetration, so I would prefer to be close if I was using this bow for deer hunting.

[JRSKICK1]

great video... great info.

[ZenSpider40]

Excellent video, how fine is the edge on the arrowheads? I have heard, perhaps wrongly, that flint is capable of taking and maintaining a molecular edge.

[chuckgdry]

Great video

[RonRay]

Great experiment, Billy! I have hunted and found American Indian arrow heads (points) all my life and have often times wondered about the "old" way of viewing these points. As you described, I was always told that the small "bird points" were used for just that: birds, but I felt the big "field clunkers" were just too large and cumbersome to actually be efficient as an arrow point. Your proof through experimentation has concluded what 'books' of speculation could not. Thank you!

[xlr8n99]

Awesome video! What distance were you shooting from?

[jacksonhobbs1]

Kick ass info. Thanks!

[flamefinger1989]

billy how small can the width of your point be in your state???

[SurvivalPax]

I really like the quality of your videos. The information is very thorough. Great job!

[72buffaloman]

Great video and great information. I know you were rating the penetration by the distance it travelled out the opposite side of the deer .But all but one i consider Full penetration. I was wondering though what was the yardage you were shooting from?

[eichimbo]

I really liked the video Billy! All of your videos have been great and i have learned a ton! Have you made a video about how to create the stone points in detail? If you haven't that is just a suggestion, and would be a great idea Thanks

[lump88]

What a way to start my day. A cup of Joe and a new vid from Billy. Loved it. more, more, more

[ROFLpwnedvideos]

"Bird" points?

All I can say is damn. I think they work just fine. :)

[adacosta1000]

GREAT! Video... i love your commitment.

[geelsman]

Well done sir! How do you make the bow?

[adacosta1000]

@geelsman Take a look in some of his other videos, Billy goes through how to make a bow straight from a tree.

[gpoutdoors]

How far where you shots in the video ? and on the deer you took while hunting this way, was it from the ground or a tree stand and how far were those shots ?

[primitivepathways]

@gpoutdoors I was about 9 or 10 yards away from the deer when I performed this test.

[mrfry07]

Sweet video. I'm using your "Making a primative bow" series as a guide to make my own bow. Keep it up Billy

[Trevody]

Excelent vid, at what range did make the shots?

[primitivepathways]

@Trevody about 9 or 10 yards

[frazz00769]

Wow your a napper supreme!, great vid btw, just shows you dont need a massive powered bow to get the job done.

[flamefinger1989]

very cool video 

[nephildevil]

don't think his points were that small at all, otherwise cool vid

[toemag]

Well done, 10 out of 10 for quality and content. This is why we should all enjoy any information source freely shared on the web. I learned something new today, from you. Thank you.

[primitivepathways]

@toemag Thanks so much! Glad you liked the video, and I'm glad you learned something. If people learn something from what I post then I have achieved my goal.

[sasukex101]

great video awesome me and my friends were arguing wether bird points were in any lethal thanks for clearing things up

[o0INSANECAPTAIN0o]

Nice Video, Please Please keep them coming.

[TheEnjoi777]

great video, i learn so much from you. thank you for sharing your knowledge and keep it up

[primitivepathways]

@TheEnjoi777 You're welcome! Glad you liked the video....

[bossk111]

Did you make all of those points yourself Billy?



[primitivepathways]

@bossk111 Yes I made them all.

[bossk111]

@primitivepathways what kind of rock did you use?

[primitivepathways]

@bossk111 I made the points out of flint that I've picked up over the years...

[therealgarygnu]

Excellent video!

[roblm1968]

Great video...hard to deny how lethal those small "bird" points are. Proof is rght there on the screen and the sheer fact that we're here today because of those small "bird" points. Thanks for the video.

[xelamorph]

do you think you could use these points one blowgun darts, if you make them smaller?

[primitivepathways]

@xelamorph Yes I'm sure you could. And I bet they would be very deadly.

[xelamorph]

@primitivepathways nice then i think im gona test it and BTW nice video

[CdnLifeguard71]

Good work Billy. I think your shooting was to good. Could the 2nd and 3rd arrow have piggy backed along your first one's wound canal? You can't deny the effectiveness of those "bird point" which may have to be renamed simply "hunting points"

Thanks for the great video and I hope to see more in the future.

Nate

[primitivepathways]

@CdnLifeguard71 Thanks Nate, glad you liked it.

[MrSchpankme]

An arrow head is only required to pass the arrow shaft through the animal (intended target).

[dylandance]

After i saw you guys kill that elk I've wanted to take a white tail with a home made at latl

[AllergicHobbit]

Very well done! Good to see you! I know this will help settle the "bird point" myth for good.

[OEFvet1986]

That was really interesting and really cool as well. Great video!

[primitivepathways]

@OEFvet1986 Thanks!! Glad you liked it..

[TXknapper]

Nice video Billy, I always look foward to your videos. Thanks for sharing.

[primitivepathways]

@TXknapper Thanks!! Glad you liked it..

[ZmajSnoshaj]

Excellent work sir.

[kiwicoote]

Thank you. Well done and interesting.

Radioactiveroach: I've played around with primitive bows and arrows quite a bit. I don't know what Billy's bows are capable of, but I would put my effective range for one of my crude 40 pound bows at maybe 30 yards if the arrow was heavy enough. A longer shot might be effective, but I've never tried one. A realistic maximum range for me with my level of accuracy and fairly primitive gear is probably more like 15 to 20 yards. Best wishes... Coote.

[Flintknappingtips]

You have done some excellent work again here Billy. I enjoy your channel and seeing you on the tv show! You made a nice tight group on your brothers deer.

[primitivepathways]

@Flintknappingtips Thanks Marty. I enjoy your video too and I've done some punch knapping thanks to your videos. It works really well!!

[ilikesuzuki]

@primitivepathways what are the yardages on the shots?

[primitivepathways]

@ilikesuzuki I was about 10 yards away from the deer

[ilikesuzuki]

@primitivepathways so maybe in a real life scenario the results will be different.

[KentahtenAyawisgi]

Well put my friend. Thanks for sharing.

[cplrey]

Outstanding video!



[hunt458]

Th stone points on your arrows don't look to be the size of a penny.

[BeckumOutdoors]

Billy i was impressed with the article that you wrote in Primitive Archer Magazine several years ago on the use of so called "bird points.....Men of anthropology should take a very close look at what you have proven and what the modern Primitive Archer is relearning! I am filming my turkey penetration test with stone and organic points tommorrow. Again this was amazing and historic...great camera work also..... We will get together to hunt in a couple weeks....talk to you soon......Thad

[crazybear357]

Thanks for sharing Billy! look forward to the next one

[gold2hunt]

th ewhater or a head shot to any e tryign to swime acros to your camp leathal . i woudl bet itd bring doun a bisanevanas a fifty calerber would about the size of a half dollar remarkabel hwo theyd gtn it shaped

[gold2hunt]

oh i also foudn one of the stones if i can find it again its unusel for shuire round as a disk and you cna tell it was very sharp about the size of a half dollor would had ben leathal in a sling or simular prejectoin device wich i amadgned hwo it must have ben used it would had sunk a cannoe in a second skiped acros

[gold2hunt]

good enough vidio man but i never heard of theas sized points being called bird point,s but again im only 50 years old . the bird points i grew up knowing as bird points are about one fourththat sizeno larger than to fit on your thumbnail. at the largest.ifyoud iek ill try and find the pictur of a fishen lure i found nativ offcours stone fishing lure used in hand fisheing i recoverd it years back a frend told em and shwd me in a book its valued at round 1500 dolors back then rare itam.

[radioactiveroach]

What's the effective range (from your experience)?

[thunderjar74]

This is a great follow up to your article in primitive archery from a few years ago. Seeing the results in motion really bring things into perspective. Great job!

[briargoatkilla]

Awesome! Love your videos man, Holy Cow! I hear what swtchbckshtr is sayin', though. In NC broadheads half to be at least 7/8" wide. Still the point here is you don't have to have a crazy big point to make way for the shaft. A lot of modern bow hunters are finding out quick these days that a wider cutting diameter is not so good for penetration.

[greaper55]

awsome video keep it up

[NWOutdoorSports]

Nice Job! Very clear and well presented. Thanks...

[MiWilderness]

For 40 lbs. that is quite impressive, impressive regardless. Thanks, Roosevelt

[swtchbckshtr]

great vid, good stuff to know, question I have tho, is what if you have to go by the state laws on what the cutting diameter must be for a broadhead. if the game warden came up on you and seen these small cutting points. hmmm.. their lethal tho, and Im sure there wasnt alot of blood for trailing, thats another reason you got to make the right shot and hope you watch em drop. thanks for sharing

[Coyoteraynn]

Well Done Very proffessional I am into the old ways as much as possible I like your stuff you do.

[albc3333]

Another great video Billy! Good stuff man!!!

[primitivepathways]

@albc3333 Thanks!! Glad you liked it..

[VarmintHunters]

Great video Love It

[glock1042]

love the videos! thanks!

[MrReddok]

At what distance have you been able to bring one down using these bows/arrows?

[hobbexp]

thanks for illustrate it so good,

fredde

[snowsniper8]

yay! another video!! great test! any more hunting videos comming soon?

[1TacticalMedic]

That deer would have been on the fire pit that night if it was shot by some real injuns! Good vid

[1TacticalMedic]

Outstanding Video. I will tell all my friends to watch. This is great history.

[primitivepathways]

@1TacticalMedic Thanks!! Glad you liked it..

[RichTheRidgeHunter]

I have been reading about alot of indian tribes using bows under 40 Lbs to hunt with. GREAT VIDEO.

[primitivepathways]

@RichTheRidgeHunter Thanks!! Glad you liked it..

[SwitchbackOutdoors]

Wow. That was awesome! GREAT video!

[LivingHistorySchool]

It just proves it not the size of point, it's how you use it...lol

Nice to see some real Experimental Archaeology

[smileycanada13]

nice!!