RED CINEMA

[CamaraMountClamp]

awesome

[elstroshitnonstop]

film is so superior to digital except in shooting low light conditions, serious cinematographers need to get over this in the same way that we have for the past century- by being good at lighting, or having balls like kubrick and getting a bloody nasa lens. More cinematographers are too afraid to learn to shoot in film. your job is to make the film look as good as possible, and the only thing with enormous capabillities is film. people need to stop writing off film as a dying form.

[elstroshitnonstop]

the red one is great for having to shoot in digital. the reasons for continuing to shoot in film are well known and obvious. it is not because people are afraid to change, it is because it looks better in every way. Tell me if you noticed much difference between the opening of dark knight and the rest of the film, because it was shot on 35mm.

[thewii552]

the funny thing is that this is posted in 240p. :)

[MrLOLFTW]

i want one!

[surferboy36O]

I don't think this is just a matter of resolution or latitude, or even price or convenience. If you are a true artist, director, or whatever, if you have the spirit of a CREATOR, the only thing that is important is the final product, doesn't matter how you ahicved it. As much as I like technology/digital stuff, etc., I personally believe nothing compares to the look film gives, and that is it, an electronic sensor is another type of technology and it will never be the same as film, --->>

[surferboy36O]

Part 2: no matter how many k's, no matter how many f stops. Something very important is that lighting, scene mounting, camera angle, focal distance, panning, tripods, dollys, etc., castings, acting, writing, and all that stuff is what makes a movie look like a movie, and differentiates a good movie from a bad movie. But the recording media is just AS important as everything else, the same goes for sound.

[jbred00]

Film avatar? Wasent it all cgi

[RipleyisBA]

@jbred00 Avatar was shot on a CineAlta. The actors' faces and movements were shot for the CG sequences, and there were a lot of interior sets that used actors without CGI.

[billbobkid2]

i have that camera and i used it to film avatar!

[ChainGangPictures]

The Red One rules!

[ChainGangPictures]

We love the Red One. We wrapped a feature shooting on it. Amazing images and great workflow!! See clips from our previous films shot the old fashioned way on our channel!

[strosse]

can i have it? :D

[dvamateur]

The RED ONE has high resolution, but it uses 10:1 or 9:1 compression. I'd rather have 1080p without compression. "Efficient" compression algorithms can have very ugly artifacts. What is the point of a lot of pixels if you have such drastic compression artifacts on the overall picture?

[sergiohd51]

The key is to learn how works the RAW photography. Then, no pain with low-high lights.

Regards from Spain.

[sclogse1]

I shoot 1080P on mu canon5D MarkII, but any area jsut above the blacks always looks very noisy...way more than red, plus, even with a zeiss lens and tripod, etc., the iamges need sharpening in camera, which makes the stuff look even more like video, and looks sharpened. Indoors using window light and bounce will show a lot of noise in the low visual scale, or whatever you might call it.....And just what is the canon really shootingint if the red is 4k? 2k?

[temsi]

Lenses, exposure and frame size control depth, not the capture medium.

Also, digital is quickly approaching the latitude film has.

They are different tools for sure, but don't make blanket statements about one or the other, it exposes your ignorance on the subject.

[vglover]

True, but not to expose your ignorance, film's latitude is improving too :) 14 stops on the new VISION 3 film stock and counting! Can't wait till VISION 4 in 7 years

[temsi]

What's with the ad hominem? Can't you have an adult conversation?

Yes, film's latitude is improving, but digital is catching up. But I don't recall saying anything about film being stagnant.

This isn't a competition, digital isn't setting out to kill film - but it does appear that many are adamant about hating digital.

Film will always be there as an option for artists (at least as long as it's profitable for Kodak).

Vision 3 is an awesome film stock, and it's not going away any time soon.

[steadytim]

no on mini-VHS

[andrewsp28]

lol, minidv

[juleswinns]

what do you record on? minidv?

[Ben1238]

Sir, I have worked with film and I hate to differ here. I believe HD is a work in progress but not better than film. If digital is so great then how come over ninety-five percent of movies are still shot on film?

[bobaandy]

Wrong-o.

Same res as 35mm film scanned at 4k. Not 70mm (I.E. IMAX) film.

The reason that most things are shot on film is because people are afraid to change. This RED camera IS better then film in some places--and some places film still succeeds. However, RED and the rest of the digital cinema camera manufacturers are quickly catching up. Now, if RED meets it's timeslot, by next year we will have 28k Large Format cinematography. I would like you to come back then and still say that it is a "WIP"

[bobaandy]

Perhaps you misunderstood: 28k was a resoultion, not a price. The camera body that does 28k resoultion will be $50,000++, and will not come out until 2010.

And no, the RED one is NOT as good as 70mm--70mm beats it HANDS DOWN no contest. The camera is meant to compete with 35mm film, and it does so admirably. It has the same resoultion that 35 is scanned in, s35 sensor, etc.

Also, there is currently only 1 red cam--that does 4k. They are making lots more that have not come out yet.

[surferboy36O]

@bobaandy How is the RED or any digital camera better than film? (in terms of image quality).

[bobaandy]

@surferboy36O Speaking about the EPIC camera out currently, it has a higher resolution, higher dynamic range (with HDRx) and a longer recording and run time then film. All in a tiny package the size of a Hasselblad.

[surferboy36O]

@bobaandy The spacial resolution of film is ENORMOUS and in cinema it is more the scanning resolution that counts because it is muche less than the film itself. Film latitude is also huge, being a photographer I know about this, several times when I thought a picture was lost, with proper developing you can salvage an excellent image. I wouldn't know any numbers to compare with the EPIC, and of course digital can be lighter and more convenient, but I know no digital media has the film look-->>

[surferboy36O]

@surferboy36O the response to brightness and colour, the textures, the naturalistic look is just unreproducible. This all is because film is a analog and non linear recording media, and an electronic sensor and circuitry cannot replicate its behaviour.

[JaykePRO]

@bobaandy lol.

[Cagliostro85]

because most dps were born and raised on film... they're old timers... it takes courage for some of them to venture in the "unknown" of a format they're not completely natural with... also, digital or film, those are just cameras: it's the framing and the lighting that make the real weapons in the arsenal of a cinematographer... if you give Kaminskij a cellphone he'd still pull beautiful images from it, open your eyes people, it's just a change of medium the substance stays the same!

[soyArubaru]

cost of new equipment :)

[bluetorch13]

SSD (Solid State Disc)

[vmnonline]

The redesign will look and perform awesome no questions asked! The RED series

[fabiomoreirasp]

Essa HAD deve ser o bixo!!!

[vargas4l]

Please I need help. What is better Sony HVR-Z7U or red cam? Or is there better ones? Please help, my price range is unlimited. Well no more than 50,000 on a camera. I want to shoot a real movie. Oh and what is the software they used for king kong, matrix, and all those special effect movies. No joking please.

[ragonamuffin]

Is that a joke? The red takes the lens out of that sony and takes a dump in it. HDV is a consumer format. the RED does 4k, and HDV isnt even real 1080i, let alone progressive. The red can do 12 bit RAW compression, 1.582 GB/Min. the red is better than 35mm, and its worth so much more money than 17k in my opinion. Special effects in the matrix 1 was a small amount of maya, and a lot of great cinematography. the second and third were tons of maya, as was king kong.

[ragonamuffin]

If you are serious about making a movie, and you need production maya work, I might be able to help you out. My stuff is not quite at a production level yet, but if you are working on a tight budget, I am a good candidate.

[tutuzero]

Zoom lenses are hardly used because the quality isn't quite as high as a prime, i think you'd find most high quality productions use dollys and cranes to zoom in and out, allowing the camera man full control of focusing.

[Maz1989]

with the red lenes are there like a vvideo camera where u can zoom in focus then zoom out and everything is in focus?

[ethosfilms]

If you're using a zoom lense then yes of course, providing your back focus is sharp. However for most drama productions the Cinematographer is most likely using fixed focal length primes, so therefore you can't get your sharps by the zoom method. You have to measure the distance using the standard method.

[kubrickzghost]

This video looks like a phone camera. But the Red footage looks like 3D without glasses. Double lines, etc. Footage is starting to surface, and it doesn't look good. Jackson's short didn't look good either, but then who is that guy anyway. This HD/DATA crowd is a total joke. Bunch of consumer idiots.

[ethosfilms]

??? Have you even seen HD footage in the real world? HD/DATA crowd? You mean the future? You must work for Kodak.

[cangunsiray]

but i guess this video was not shot on a red one. which footage do you refer to when you say "footage coming form this camera"?

[kubrickzghost]

Who needs filmmakers when you can have consumers instead? Footage coming form this camera appears to look like 1980's Betacam footage. Do they give away a free pair of Oakley glasses with every camera sold?

[cangunsiray]

but i guess this video was not shot on a red one. which footage do you refer to when you say "footage coming form this camera"?

[ethosfilms]

What are you talking about? How about you go and see WANTED in cinemas now and tell me what you think then. HD at 4k is hardly 80's Betacam. Or was this a joke?