The Creation: Science v Religion; Documentary (2 of 4)

[NAVEGANTESOY]

THERE IS ONE THINGS ABOUT RELIGION THEY HAVE A MOUTH FULL WHEN THEY SAY: GOD.

BUT WHAT GOD ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT, THE GOD OF THE INCAS,THE ROMANS GODS, THE EGYPTIAN GODS, THE JEW GOD,THE MUSLIN GOD,THE HINDU GODS.. NO. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PARTICULAR GOD IN MIND. SO SOME WILL SAY THE CORAN SAYS.... OR THE BIBLE SAYS, OR THE VEDA SAYS AND SO ON... SO WHEN SOME ONE SAYS GOD. REMEMBER HUMAN HAS HAD MANY GODS.. THE ONE YOU MIGHT BE BELIEVING TODAY WILL CERTAINLY BE MYTHOLOGY AS ARE SO MANY OTHERS

[teslic100]

@NAVEGANTESOY better said god as the creator

most possible metaphysical philosophy

[mystisme]

by the way tants my dear friend dr montague for the vid

[mystisme]

go see the image from hubble,when you see it you can not belive in god,ill compare our earth like we where an electron in a grain of a sand that is on a beach of sand and religion wants me to belive that god chose that only one electron to establish life and only that one and nowhere else??? well it is beeing arrogant,anyway life existe in meteor(bacteria) proof the universe is full of life and we are not it

[eggsaladinthetub]

Atheists make terrible soldiers and terrible philosophers.

[DrMontague]

@eggsaladinthetub It's obvious that you haven't study philosophy. Marx was a philosopher and an atheist. Considered to be the most influential person of the 20th century.

[eggsaladinthetub]

@DrMontague Have Marx's teachings proven effective? Not very.

[DrMontague]

@eggsaladinthetub Then you don't understand Marxism I suggest you research it.. There is no such thing as a Marxist. Marx philosophy argued how different economic systems give rise to to the political systems and ideology. He argued that capitalism would inevitably produce its own grave diggers. You are probably indoctrinated by the capitalist media who naturally are going to try and rubbish this philosopher.

[uriituw]

@DrMontague Marxism is just another religion. It's kind-of like the secular side of Scientology.

[DrMontague]

@uriituw Clearly you know fuck all about Marxism I suggest you check it out on wikipedia.

[uriituw]

@DrMontague I've read the Wikipedia article. The "you mustn't know anything about it" argument can apply to anything. People follow Marxism without skepticism. You may criticise religion, but the exact same problem applies to Marxism.

[DrMontague]

@uriituw Religion:a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Explain how Marxism is like religion?!

[Venaloid]

Well I just finished the first part and so far I have yet to see anything the supports any sort of theism.

[DrMontague]

@Venaloid watch all parts

[samgee2007]

Al quran is all about sex! yes im aproud of muslim!

[01101100d]

Why do theists think that saying "god did it" is an answer, it's just a statement and fails to explain anything. I love it when these theists all come up with these apolagetic schemes for they show contadictions even from within identical denominations. Oh well, someone has to provide the lolz in society, what better than a bunch of superstitious people who think they are in a relationship with an invisible zombie friend and know better than those who actually have an education. Nice vids

[atomac23]

Sir you not suppose to mix up Qur'an and this days Bible. Reveletaion to all prohets is absolute truth no doubth in that. But that what has been revelade to prophets before Muhammad is not preserved. Bible today is is not absolute Gods' word but Qur'an is. So that because when Qur'an says something 1400 years ago and science is proving today that should be a prove that is a word of God. But Qiur'an is not book of astronomy it is book for spiritual upraising and guidance for humankinde.

[DrMontague]

You state: 'Reveletaion to all prohets is absolute truth no doubth in that' There is every fucking doubt. Why is that fucker like you cannot see that the your religious beliefs for what they really are? i.e. nothing but a massive crock of deluded bullshit. One bull shit religion( Islam) claims another bull shit religion (Christianity ) is wrong. For ffuck sake grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.

[atomac23]

We as a Muslims believe in evolution controled by God. Darwins' evolution in different in the way that everything is developed by accident. And we do not believe that man is became from monkey., but also we do not believe that civilisation is only 5000 years old and that mkan rode a dinosours. We never believed that earth is flat is center of universe. Check Qur'an and you'll see.

[DrMontague]

I suppose it depends what type of Muslim you are just as it depends on what type of Christian are i.e. you can have creationist Muslims and Christians. At the end of the day it's all delusion.

[vilgessuola]

Neither does the theory of evolution propose that everything developed 'by accident' or that man came from monkeys. 'Evolution is about as well established as the fact that water is H2O' (Daniel Dennet)

[01101100d]

Evolution doesnt talk of things happening by accident, thats not the correct way of defining it either, this is a common misapprehension, sometimes done on purpose to make the evolution theory look silly as possible, instead, evolution is down to something we call natural selection. Thanks

[funkychicken1994]

*sigggggghh*

i feel like a kitten right now..i just wanna peeeee all overrr it

[atomac23]

islam is suporting theory of evolution. If you study islam furtermore you gona discover that Qur'an , 1400 years ago, talked about theory of Big Bang and theory of a Pulsating universe.

[DrMontague]

No it does not. Fucking Muslims and Christians alike are fond claiming this or that is in the Qur'an or bible. You simply play on semantics i.e. you will quote things out of context. E.g. It might say something like 'His heart is like a darkened star that doth not shine as doth the sun for he hath not followed god's will' Fuckers like you will claim that the qur'an is talking about black holes. BOLLOCKS

[nolobede]

I have read the Quran, several times and just like christians referencing the bible you can come up with all the bullshit in the world to present your point, it does not validate these fictional books in any way.

[vilgessuola]

Give me the exact references from the Qur'an, I want to look this up.

[atomac23]

Sorry for late respond on demand but there is few versus on Big Bang theory and pulsating Universe. Chapter Al-Anbiya21 vers30"Do not the desbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were closed up mass, and We opened them out. And We made of of water every living thing.will they not believe." same chapter vers 104 "The day when We shall roll up the heavens like the rolling up of written up scrolls by scribe. As we began the first creation ,so shall We repeat it ..."

[DrMontague]

I have read this crap. It is typical of people like you who merely play on semantics just as Christians do i.e., quote things out of context, and claim the Holy books had it right all the time..Bollocks. NO Muslim or Christian believed in Evolution by natural selection until Darwin came along. Nor did anyone know of the big bang unti it was proposed by in 1927 by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest. So cut out the shit.

[DrMontague]

If the Koran: stated the following: a man who does not believe in the creator will have a heart is like a darkened star that does not shine brightly.

Some one like you would twist it and claim that the Koran talks of black holes in space. On your fucking bike mate. You talk absolute dog turds.

[vilgessuola]

Seems to me credulous in the extreme to take these Koranic and biblical tropes as predictions of scientific discoveries. Pulsating universe - they have changed their minds somewhat on this one - so is it still a prediction, or has it reverted to the poetic?

[DrMontague]

You use some good words i.e.credulous and tropes. I been looking out for such words to use. Thanks.

[vilgessuola]

Welcome!

[atomac23]

only in christianity we´ve got a debate ¨what is right science or religion ( read christianity) ¨ every wher else in almost any other religion there is no this kind of nonsense. that because wew had a dark age and iqusition and some other known and unknown sloghtering of scientist. Whay is like this. It is starting from basic which is that man can not be a God.

[DrMontague]

Nonsense. Religion tries to censor science. Islam and many Christian groups would dearly love to ban the teaching of evolutionary theory! They constantly present straw man (lies) arguments in a perverted attempt to to discredit the overwhelming evidence for evolutionary theory.

[ewenson111]

notice how the preist see's god as a male person. he refers to god as "he" and says how "he has "will

[andy507252]

i dont really have anything against people believing whatever they want to but creationists are just ignorant, its not just the fact they are ignorant to science but they're ignorant to their own religion, if they did any research into what they believed they'd realize that taking genesis as literal is actually unchristian as it contradicts the belief of exegesis and this whole conservative religious take on the bible is actually a very modern phenomena

[12stepfailure]

The British were so ahead in accepting the big bang, then Americans were.

[Mudbikerz]

youtube(dot)com/watch?v=3SUwMb­yNQz8

[falcompsx]

Look at what science has discovered just in the few hundred years of recent history? After all the earth used to be the flat center of the universe and everything revolved around it. Of course we all know this is nonsense. Science is always progressing. Religion however is unchanging, it gets everything it knows from a static book. Reinterpreted maybe, but still the same stories. Science will throw out stories when evidence demands it. Religion makes excuses.

[humanist7117]

Those who think that there are questions that science cannot possibly answer are limited by their view of history that only encompasses time to the present. Who can say what science may be able to comprehend 10,000 years from now. How about 1,000,000 years from now?

[DrMontague]

I agree. Science is still in its infancy. In this short time everything it has touched has brought about a greater understanding of our place in the universe. We know longer burn witches when animals become diseased.

[19995700]

Yep absolutely with you guys. We seek explanations. But our gaps in knowledge are less filled with the supernatural as time goes on. I think god will be no different.

The world is no longer flat my friends - and people who have 'faith' that it is - do not understand our history for hocus pocus.

Bring it on science.

[BLUCOPPER123]

Check out Tom Deckard, has had open visions for 31 years and never has been wrong and has healed 800 people that were diagnosed with AIDS.

[fatsomamacheese]

I think you misunderstood me, I do personally hold the opinion that God exists.

No man walks around really curing sick people though, including Tom Deckard. It's a scam. If they can really do it, why not go to the hospitals and cure everyone? Why reserver his talent for an audience?

[BLUCOPPER123]

Ok srry about that then, but no he does offer that if someone gets a test (so theres proof they have AIDS) and a blood sample he will heall them thats why its up to 800 now but he gets visions and travles around the world to worn people. Have you ever watched billy meier.  I suggest you watch this, i think you will like this.

[DrMontague]

Has this been proven by the scientific method? e.g. Accredited centres of research. or are they videos made by con men and women. Have they ever cured amputees? I DOUBT it ! It always turns diseases that might be misdiagnosed or that the person didn't have the particular disease (like aids) to begin with.

[BLUCOPPER123]

The billy meier is a amputee because he got in a car accident flew out the window crushed his arm the Tom Deckard has medical records of him healing people that had AIDS look it up.

[DrMontague]

I asked if they have been investigated by accredited centres of learning e.g. medical schools, universities, scientific journals. Direct me to an authoritative sources. If you only have shitty sources such as second rate YouTube videos which are dubious to say the least, or some cheap commercial TV station. Then I won't waste my time.

[fatsomamacheese]

And I'm not religious. I believe in God. It is two very separate and distinct things. There are many things that are a thorn in the side of "religious" people, the main one being most have no idea what it is they believe in the first place.

[BLUCOPPER123]

I dont see the other comment, but Noahs ark is found on some mountain that is called 8 men something idk dont really care, at the moment.

[19995700]

sigh. yeah of course he has buddy. and noah fucked his sister and we were all born (or at least some of us) a bit spaz. why does he 'heal' only AIDS victims i wonder and not amputees. or some other incurable disease like stupidity. that would be a miracle.

[balumuthu]

What is sickening is that some, not all, religious groups esply.proselytizing fans of Xianity,stage fraudulent, instant miracle cures on the stage in the name of God or 'his Son'.One hears of STORIES of religion curing instantly.Science is far from being able to do so at present but yes,may be able to get close to such ability millennia later.The time dimension is a barrier for ALL of us floating in the 3-d. space, and it can only be transcended by ways not yet mastered by any human being.

[fatsomamacheese]

Or they are simply realists.

There are many things science can't explain yet. I'm not saying it won't eventually explain them, but I doubt it for some things.

First, of course, is the existence or lack thereof of a god. Most religions are easily explained away. We can see that zeus doesn't sit atop mount olympus, etc. The idea that some Will brought our reality into being is much more difficult.

Another good example is choice. Using science, prove that freewill does or does not exist.

[BLUCOPPER123]

What if the day you die and you expect that, thats it but it isnt and he is real what would you do say think ect?

[DrMontague]

If god is omniscient then we ca not have free will or choice. He must have known before he created the universe that I was going to type this comment. Therefore we cannot be held responsible for our actions.

[fatsomamacheese]

God's status of omniscient or not has no bearing on the existence of free will and choice.

Do you believe in free will? And if so, where do you think it comes from?

[DrMontague]

If the religious claim that god is omniscient then we cannot have free will or choice by default. This is because he must know all our actions before he created the universe. If he knows every event that is going to take place before they have happened then all of our futures must be determined. This is a thorn in the arse of the religious i.e. they want to shout we are all sinners and must change! But how can we when we do not have free will or choice?

[fatsomamacheese]

Again, the idea that what you will choose can be seen ahead of time has no bearing on whether you chose it or not or whether you have free will. You have no tied together those two ideas.

If I was able to travel in a time machine, see you choose the blue ice cream over the red, then traveled back in time and knew that's what you were going to choose, my witnessing would have no bearing on your decision.

I ask again, do you believe in free will and if so what is your explanation for it?

[DrMontague]

'Omniscient: having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things' (dictionary)

Your going back in time argument doesn't hold water because this wouldn't mean that you are omniscient. If God is omniscient then would know what you were going to be a time traveler before he created the universe, therefore you wouldn't become a time traveler by choice as you have no free will. All of our lives would be determined i.e. we don't have no free will.

[fatsomamacheese]

Again, the fact that another "will" has awareness of what you are going to do has no bearing on whether you were able to choose freely.

3 times you have repeated the same thing, 3 times I have asked you to actual connect it to the argument at hand. 3 times I have asked you where free will comes from if you believe in it. 3 times you have ignored it.

If you actually have a Ph.D. I am not sure where you got it or how you could have. Your reading comprehension is not very matured.

[fatsomamacheese]

My imagined situation has nothing to do with God. I placed a witness to a choice ahead of time of that choice. That witness would have foreknowledge of said choice, but NO resulting impact. The choice could still theoretically be "free" even if another consciousness knew the outcome already.

I think your main problem is you have never explained to yourself what "free will" actually is or how it is possible. This is also why you refuse to answer my question and continue to repeat yourself.

[DrMontague]

If you believe believe in omniscient god , then this would mean that we cannot have free will (including the time traveler) by default. All our actions would be known by the omniscient god before he created of the universe. . The time traveler would not be acting under free will. The time traveler would only be acting out the will of god! Even as a secular debate the free will v determinism argument has not been resolved.

[DrMontague]

The free will v determinism argument can be presented as follows: Algi (free will) met a bear (determinism ), a bear met algi, the bear became bulgy, the bulge was algi.

Which means we have the feeling of free will and are determined at the same time! Free will and determinism appear to be one and the same thing! This goes against our reasoning. The Free will v determinism argument still rages today. It has never been resolved.

[funkychicken1994]

oi man 1day i was in the woods n i think i came across algi n the bear...and you know what i did? i found myself a nice big leaf from a tree and took the biggest damn dump in it and then flung it towards the sky and the WHOLE GAME was to see WHO would it land on FIRST!!!

man me and algi had an awsome time, we go way back now.....but recetnly i came across another bear named bulgy and i think i fell in love with her bulge now bulgy and i play the throw the leaf of shit into the sky game everyday

[fatsomamacheese]

Here is another example...

No matter what I say you are going to repeat the moot point "If God is omniscient then we cannot have freewill because he knows what we are going to do"

The fact that I know this has no bearing on your choice to say it. I will give you all sorts of philosophical paths to go down and you will continue to say that same idea. You DO have a choice though, even though I KNOW you're going to say it again...

[fatsomamacheese]

The time traveler could (note:COULD) be acting out of the free will that an omnipotent and omniscient God was able to give him.

I'm tired of you banging your head on this wall though. I want you to tell me where you believe free will comes from. I don't want a "the debate still rages"...I want to know what YOU think. You consider free will to be a thorn in the side of those who believe in a higher power, I will show you it is just the reverse.

[DrMontague]

I'll say it again. If there is an omniscient being then we can not free will by default. If god knows all our action before he created the universe then all our actions must be determined. I do not believe in an omniscient god, therefore I have the possibility having free will. In fact I do have free will! This is why I am telling you to go and fuck yourself., or could be it that I have no free will therefore it is god who is really telling you to go and fuck yourself!

[fatsomamacheese]

If you don't believe in free will, then the universe makes perfect sense. My actions as well as yours are dictated by stimuli, and electromagnetic and chemical reactions in our brains. We are a pair of dice being rolled with our resulting number only being influenced by the arrangement of our molecules, wind, gravity, friction, etc.

If you DO believe in free will, where do you believe it comes from?

See in my opinion, free will is one of the greatest pieces of subjective evidence FOR God.

[zigzagzoo12]

If you believe in evolution, you would think that it's more naturally superior for a horse to evolve wings and fly. If we don't have unicorns then the theory of evolution is flawed.

[DrMontague]

You obviously no nothing about evolution. Evolution does not have a goal to head for. see Dawkins Climbing Mount Improbable. Click my user name, play lists, Climbing Mount Improbable. I warn you now that if you're a typical creationist cretin I will block you as I have no time for retards, and this is my channel.

[creationismisstupid]

Well said. Actually you grant them more rights than they would allow a non creationist on their channels. They delete comments they don't like and block the makers of it. Indeed why waste time on people that during their normal day time won't even think to buy and read a good science book? You must be braindead to be/become a creationist. There is simply no cure available for it.

[julienumber3]

I would recommend getting yourself through Philosophy 101, then trying to make it through some Logic courses. Flawed logic follows patterns, and though that comment was an excellent example of such, it isn't for the reasons you think.

[DrMontague]

Creationists don't follow a methodolgy they simply lie. Polkingholme ( the ordained priest)in this viseo isn't a creationist, he believes that science has by in large got it right, meaning 'the big bang' and evolutionary theory are correct. He still believes in god but offers no proof of one.

[ramerriam]

You just contradicted yourself then by saying the priest agrees and believes in creationists views and what they say scientifically.. and that creationists are liars. Can't be both, I'm afraid.

[marsCubed]

The ancestors of the horse did learn to fly, they are called bats. The horse is a particularly good example of evolution by the way, It is a very complete fossil records with all transitional forms available. The horse stared out as a dog like animal, before that it has common ancestry with other mammals. Horse ancestors survived by moving onto the savannah to eat veg, rather than jumping out of trees to eat bugs, which is no doubt why they had no selection pressure for wings.

[silvercade]

Why would a God judge objects of his own creation? Would you judge an android you created for fucking up? No, you'd blame yourself morons.

[av1611truth]

The code for each protein is contained IN the DNA/RNA system. However, proteins are REQUIRED in order to manufacture DNA. So which came first: proteins or DNA?

[DrMontague]

I see that your really a brainless creationist shit who pretends he's asking valid questions, your a time waster and a blatant liar.FUCK OFF. You must be used to being told to FUCK OFF you Cretin.

[DrMontague]

av1611truth.Want answers? then do your own fuckin research, get some decent books on the subject. As if someone like Richard Dawkins would be stumped. Go and fuck yourself.

[DanDavM]

YOU BUG OFFF!!! YOU ARE JUST YELLING AT NOTHING! Why should we even be close to believing your evolutionist crap any day soon huh? So JUST SHUT UP AND LAY OFF!

[DanDavM]

I back your facts! Exactly, DNA recquires a certain chemicals and elements to generate a cell! Amazing what God can design!

[Heuri1]

See my first response numbnut.

[DrMontague]

Go and read evolutionary biology you creationist cretin.

[Heuri1]

Proteins have been created in primordial'slime'(the only word understood by creationists in the evolution of humankind) in conditions discerned as similar to the early oceans. So the answer to your question is proteins came first. But as science always asks the right questions instead of providing the answer first, science, although doubting will eventually get the answer.

I think theosophy would be a better subject for you to study, science doesn't seem to be your bent.

[drdrtfehytf]

pizzle Google. Bull's pizzles

"Don't mind us, after all Belial day comes but once a year."

Aldous Huxley, Ape and Essence

[SefSufi]

plz google: Scientific miracles of the Quran, 1300 year old verses explaining with extreme detail: the Big Bang, human evolution, Astronomy n planetary orbits, as well as revealing superhuman mathematical codes. Also check : Mathematical miracles of the Quran!

[DrMontague]

Anyone can come out with quotes or make up quotes. It does not mean they are true. These were written by men who didn't have the benefit of advanced science. The bible is wrong all religious ancient texts about the creation are wrong. Science has shown beyond doubt the the creation as described by the bible does not correspond in any way to scientific discovery. Where does it say in the bible that there was a huge explosion?

[av1611truth]

By denying the Bible you are Fulfilling the Bible, "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts" 2nd Peter 3:3

[loyalopposition]

The beauty of religious texts is that they can be used to prove any thoery. You fullfill that statement.

Neither science nor religion succeed in their true quest, which is the to answer why and how. No matter how macrocosmic Science gets, existance will probably beat it in scale. It just gets more and more complex. And no religion even gives credence to the question "Where does God come from?"

[loyalopposition]

And yes, it does matter, as much as any of this matters. If it's possible for God to "just exist", then why isn't it possible that we "just exist"? And science only can contemplate what is observable fact, so it really only answers the "how" of what is observable. Evolution is clearly fact, but again, it only answers how, not what the signifigance of the event may be. Likely, we'll never understand, so fuggetaboutit

[DrMontague]

How do you know science wont succeed? The scientific method (still very young)has greatly contributed to our understanding of the universe.Imagine-if the human race is still here in a million years time-the tremendous leaps science will have made.

[amazingjames311]

very true, yet science is willing to not only accept the fact that it probally won't explain everything but isn't shy about admitting it.

[unsound64]

Wow, vector graphics!

[DrMontague]

Strangely enough a priest can be a vicar or vice versa according to the dictionary. They are the same thing. He is a Catholic as he follows Christianity. There are only different ways of following Christ e.g. Protestant Catholic, None Conformist, Puritan etc.

[deekeeley83]

Thank You for uploading this Doco. If you know of any others like it i would love to know.

[Lockmanship]

Science and Religion and Syncretism

Science- systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

Religion- the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Syncretism- the merging of two or more originally different inflectional forms.

[DrMontague]

1. the attempted reconciliation or union of different or opposing principles, practices, or parties, as in philosophy or religion.

2. Grammar. the merging, as by historical change in a language, of two or more categories in a specified environment into one, as, in nonstandard English, the use of was with both singular and plural subjects, while in standard English was is used with singular subjects (except for you in the second person singular) and were with plural subjects.

[DrMontague]

True science cannot merge with religious faith otherwise it ceases to become science. True science does not look for a super natural agency to explain phenomena.

[Lockmanship]

Science and Religion are Cousins and Syncretism is their Bloodline...

[DrMontague]

en.wikipediadotorg/wiki/Syncre­tism

My source wikipedia. Read or browse the whole article. It's mostly to do with religions merging. It has nothing what so ever to do with science. Simply go to wikipedia and type syncetism in the search box. I expect you now to back up your argument with a reliable source. If you do not I will simply block you for being a time waster at worst for being a creationist. I'm waiting.

[DrMontague]

Syncretism consists of the attempt to reconcile disparate or contradictory beliefs, often while melding practices of various schools of thought.

[DrMontague]

The term may refer to attempts to merge and analogize several originally discrete traditions, especially in the theology and mythology of religion, and thus assert an underlying unity.

[DrMontague]

Syncretism also occurs commonly in literature, music, the representational arts and other expressions of culture. (Compare the concept of eclecticism.) Syncretism may occur in architecture as well. There also exist syncretic politics, although in political classification the term has a somewhat different meaning.

Wikipedia

[Lockmanship]

Science= god, Religion= knowledge of god, Syncretism= The Order Of Things...

[DrMontague]

I suspect you're a creationist cretin as you will not cite a reliable source in fact you wont cite any source. You're blocked.

[Eyedunno]

Polkinghorne is the perfect ironic surname for a priest. :) He's not Catholic though, dang.

[duba3988]

BBC is great, I wish the USA had a similar program.

[markinu]

You have PBS and their series NOVA.