This vid, more than the rest, I feel is the best of all of your vids that i've watched, at least up to this point. The prior are all great, but this one serves to bridge the illusion or the concept with the reality and for presenting it thus I just want to say thank you.
Hey Jin. I've watched most of your vids and I must honestly say that they are perhaps the best of all of them on youtube because it's served to supplement what I've learned perhaps mostly because you explain what we feel or are supposed to be feeling. There are great vids of masters that probably know what they are doing, but between what I've watched of your vids and Alan Orr's, or Fightermans I get a stronger sense of what I am supposed to be feeling, along with what I learn through direct-
Jin! Your videos are an excellent all around analysis for fighting in general, I've been practicing some of your ideas in bjj, and I'm starting to get them to work. Off hand, I can't think of a better video series online that debunks the wrong ideas about how a tool like wing chun is applied. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Jin, first off, thank you. Your videos are a blessing. I do have one thing about this video. I understand that the point of the video is bridging; however, isn't it also important to know to hit the boxer once we get in instead of just pushing him? If we push him, we either lose both contacts or we stay stuck indefinately. If we get in with sticking, but also strike after getting in, we now have a chance at victory. Do u agree, or am I missing something? Please reply.
@obscure323 I think he's going to put all the aspects of seeking the bridge, building the bridge, and striking into another video. So I think we should stay tuned.
Great video as always. I am a student in tae kwon do and kung fu and using the lessons in your videos has benefited myself and my fellow students greatly.
Its funny I sparred a guy that does all the posing about a week ago in my JKD class. All I did was wait, and he'd just sit there and I could pound on him. Kick punches what have you. That posing is such a bad habit to develop.
Jin, massive question. When your hand is on the "outside" (your palm on his forearm) and he hooks round, you can just hit straight forward. What if you end up blocking on the inside (say with tan sau) and he hits round with a hook? Another way of asking the question is... when doing chi sau and someone is on the outside gate and they hit with a boxers hook, how do you react? if you go straight forward don't you just trade blows?
@kelly980 good question, that's why you have to "take over his space" with your body structure when going in, this will jam the hook, then it's all a matter of physics, which is the fastest point from A to B is a straight line.
Thanks for answering. Unfortunately I don't think I have made the question very clear, so i'm not quite sure we're talking about the same thing :( I'm sure its either not important or you will cover it in another video.
@kelly980 If I may put forward an answer as well. In WC we have "lat sau jik chung", which basically means, "springy energy". Your body and arms become like compressing/expanding springs when there is bridge contact. If someone is in contact with my arm(bridge) on the outside of it, and they lose contact to hook around it, my spring automatically goes forward (like taking your hand away when compressing a heavy spring, it expands out), and the hit happens. I do not hit, it hits all by itself
@Johnnycomelately Thank you for your response. However, if they lift their elbow and throw a punch all in one move, without any body movement, so more of an 'arm' punch more than a proper hook (so their fist can still move in a straight line, its just their elbow is out wide) it still seems to me that hitting straight forward cannot prevent them also hitting you on the outside while you hit them.
@kelly980 First thing, in a real fight you will probably get hit, the question is are u hitting him more than he is hitting you, and how hard are the hits. If someone is using arm power alone, it won't KO u, so it doesn't matter anyways:) 2nd, WC functions in close, to jam up your opponents base/structure, so when they leave center to hit around me, my fist/spring will hit first, since they are moving in a longer route, & it just doesn't hit to KO, it hits to disturb their balance/structure 2.
If you wanna train this, than you should find a boxer and kickboxer and train these things. Cuz the one two and follow up aint good to see whats going to happen when you play chi sao with a boxer.
@chinaboxer Why do I need to practice against other martial arts? I know how to play my game, the wing chun game. Attack the centerline of the opponent. Isn't that all the same, no matter what style they may practice?
@spidey2112 yes, but you have to get to "chi sau" range safely, "closing the distance" is a skill you have to acquire by practicing against many different types of fighters.
@chinaboxer Not sure I follow. If they do JKD, TKD, BJJ or whatever, aren't I still doing the same thing? Going into chi sau range so I can attack their center? Why does it matter what they do? If I ask out a girl, what does it matter what their skin color is? A girl is a girl and I'd ask them out the same way. Just the way I see it is all. Not saying my way is the way everyone has to do it.
@spidey2112 yes, that's true, but each different martial arts method has their own "game", by training with them, you learn how to avoid their "game" while getting them to play the "wing chun game".
@chinaboxer every style of fighting has his advantages for just your body and your style of fighting. There may be things you can use that work for you so that you can create your own style.
@spidey2112 not all girls are the same. You may need to use a different way of approach. This is just the same for other martial arts. Also like girls their posture is different just like your body differs from others. Other martial arts give you the ability to create your own style and keep the things that work for you. So great advice from chinaboxer.
@minasz When students ask me "What technique do I use against a boxer, kicker, wrestler, etc...", I tell them the best way to learn how to handle these types of fighters with your VT training is to spar and train with these fighters, you will learn their timing, power, distance of execution and so forth, as there is no "magic" technique that can deal with someone as specific as that. In the end it comes down to your ability to perceive your opponents movement & handle the distance & timing.
@Johnnycomelately Yes very true. This makes very much sense as I believe this and many are against my opinion. So im happy to read your posts. Yes there is no art that can make you give you an answer. You have to go find the answer and thats train with different kinds op fighters and styles. Know your weaknesses and work on it. There is no world science on this only being true to yourself. Not lying to yourself.
You know, I love the way you teach! I would love to be taught by you. But sadly I'm living in Europe. Many thanks for uploading, please keep going, you're awesome!
@mykatharsis thanks! but i think what makes it good is the fact that for the most part, everyone understands what's involved (body structure from siu nim tau) and all the concepts required from the past videos.
@sild123 Some schools of Wing Chun let's you train several forms before perfecting the former. Other schools have a more high school-inspired curriculum, where you have to pass 1 step before moving on to the next. While the latter option gives you a slower progress in terms of techniques, it may lead to you not "overfilling the tea cup", and beginning new stuff before what you already know, has become second nature to you (muscular memory)
i love the "dont pose" phrase. I feel that is where most WC fails.
One of my instructors always steps on my foot when he closes the range, which i feel is not only very effective but it also hurts and it stops my movement backwards to retreat. What is your opinion Jin?
@xycospite I also almost always step on my partners foot but because I am left-footed. They complain that that hurts but there is nothing I can do about that.
Another excellent video Jin. I actually train this way as well, but not often i see others do so. Imo its very important, because so many WC guys dont train to build bridge contact only in chi sao already touching. plus this helps train against other styles outside wing chun. helps a lot if you got buddies who train something else to train with too.nice vid bro :)
jin you are absolutely amazing. i love your videos, you help me develop as a wing chun student so much. I feel as if i lack this kind of training so much!
@Transatlanticism04 Gary Lam is amazing as well. i often tell people that Gary Lam is a big guy that fights like a little guy and Hawkins Cheung is a little guy that fights like a big guy. =D for those that don't know, Gary Lam is very big and tall for a Chinese man and Hawkins Cheung is about 5ft tall and 110 lbs!
I'm from Germany and my Wing Chun club first was in the EWTO ( xD ) but later it changed to the system of Gary Lam and they all say that this is a very great difference.
What exactly is the difference between your Wing Chun and Gary Lams Wing Chun?
As a side note, not all can train in the more fight orientated arts like MMA/Boxing, due to injuries/disabilities, they have bad backs/shoulders/knees. WC is good for them as it's based around stability and doesn't hurt the body to perform. We learn to accept force thru body/legs, and to give it from that source too, not our arms/shoulders and smaller muscles/joints. Like Jin said, it's an old man's art, old man= not relying solely on superior physical attributes/conditioning, MMA/Boxing does
@IwantToLearnWingChun meaning that they focus too much on athleticism, such as speed and muscle power to get anything done. which completely contradicts the concepts of wing chun
The important thing is to be honest with what you want out of it. For me I just like the training/teaching aspects, met some good people as well thru my WC experience. I don't have the "fighter" personality, so that is not my thing, I already know my chances of defeating these types is low % in the ring/octagon. WC is effective, but it's hard to learn/understand, one has to study with the right people, and have patients, as there are too many bad methods being taught out there IMO.
@Johnnycomelately tbh, true "fighters" gravitate to those arts because they have an established reputation with competition and sport. And unfortunately, people use sports and competition as a measuring stick for effectiveness, leaving many arts out there (not just Chinese Martial Arts) to be considered a non-fighting art. So the fighters go to where they know they can succeed while all other martial artists (non-"fighters") are left to dominate arts like capoeira and various kungfu arts, etc
@iexcalibui2 - Just wanted to say that I'm generalizing in my post, there are some fighters that appreciate what WC and other TCMA have. I agree with your statement, MT/MMA/BOXING all have good reps for creating fighters, they get hit in training, and hit as well. Again it comes down to what you want out of it, some want that, some don't, if you don't, then be realistic in your expectations, and don't think there are magic pills out there that make you effective without the proper work put in.
@Johnnycomelately no I agree with you. Sucks that many arts don't get recognition they deserve because they often get passed up for other arts like MT/BJJ/Boxing/etc
I honsestly think WC attracts different types of personalities. True "fighters", those personalities that like to fight, get hit, hit others, etc...train in boxing, MT, MMA, which pits fghter vs fghter . WC attracts a different type, those that don't really like to get hit or have to injure themselves at every training session, non fighters. Like you demo'd in your clip, you can train and not injure your partner, it's useful up to a point. I train WC because I like it, not 4 fighting alone.
so on a more serious note (i've watched the vid around twice now)...I think a lot of these skills, especially building and maintaining a bridge, translate into just about MOST Chinese Martial Arts. All CMAs (as far as I know) have some sort of bridge, so I think this video specifically addresses something that is missing in a majority of CMA training, which is using your structure to build and use your bridge effectively. Great stuff jin
@iexcalibui2 yes, now you're getting it, now you understand my pain, now you understand that this isn't just about Wing Chun, now you understand why i created this Tutorial and my website.
show me one video, anywhere, on the internet, where a Chunner demonstrates their skills against an unwilling partner of another martial arts method, under pressure, and can make it actually look like wing chun and not some slap tastic speed fest of more speed and more muscle, that actually utilizes the wing chun concepts and principles WITHOUT contradicting themselves. if there are amazing Chunners out there that can do it, i really wish they would help the WC community out more.
Chunners preach how good WC is against other styles, but rarely ever prove it by sparring them and then use the excuse that WC is too deadly and that the MMA gloves stop us from using our most deadly skills, this is IMO such a bullcrap excuse. look at Wong Shun Leung, Hawkins Cheung and the few other "rooftop" fighters, did they use that same excuse? hell no! did they eye jab and kick the groin when they fought other fighters of other schools? hell no! did they kick everyone's ass? hell yes!
so why is it that we Chunners hide behind lame excuses to avoid sparring other fighters of other martial arts methods and prove the effectiveness of the WC concepts by competing in the ring or cage?
it's no wonder why MMA fighters and Grapplers laugh at Wing Chun and i don't blame them one bit, we've become the laughing stock and butt of jokes in the martial arts community, and that is such a sad thing
@iexcalibui2 yes, that's why it's up to our generation of Chunner's to help each other get a deeper understanding of the Wing Chun concepts, to help each other improve the training method so that we can effectively and efficiently use it against other martial arts methods under pressure, and stop bickering over "lineage" and differences in forms and the silly politics.
@chinaboxer My hands seek holes in the gates. If there is a throat or eye in that hole, it's getting hit, poked, jabbed, or whatever. An interesting question is whether or not friendly sparring begins to limit one's street effectiveness. In other words, are you training for gentleman's Beimo, or for combat?
Obviously chi sau, go sau, etc. are good for you, and we aren't maiming or killing each other every night. A lot of Wing Chun will work with rules, but it's not the natural art, IMO.
Bravo. Best Wing Chun video on Youtube. (I very very rarely compliment a Wing Chun video on Youtube). One thing I might add to this exercise is more ideas on how to finish off an opponent once you're in, especially for weaker people (like women).
@superhumansight i agree, that's why i wouldn't let my students do any type of sparring drills or even the chum kiu form until a year and a half of siu nim tau first. what i think many people don't understand is that what you see on video is what my students practiced that day, so just like everyone, it's the first time they've done the drills as well.
@chinaboxer on the flip side, i see WC schools that don't even understand the forms, learn all 3 in 6 months then race through them during practice, have very weak structures, and put on safety equipment and then spar. it becomes nothing but watered down kickboxing IMO and looks like a mess. it also builds tons of bad habits. The instructors "preach" the concepts and principles of WC but then completely contradict themselves.
Good video, I really like the last 10mins, where you talk about maintaining the bridge, which IMO is the hardest skill, as the facing/structure/footwork/balance all have to be in place combined with feeling. And I'm in total agreement, most all of the WC vids you see on utube suck big time, their using their WC like karate or boxing, which makes no sense since the set up and delivery of the tools in WC is so different from those other striking arts.
@Johnnycomelately i agree 100%, that's why "building the structure" by having a deep understanding of siu nim tau is THE most important part of wing chun and something that you must practice to improve every day.
and most WC practitioners can't maintain the bridge under pressure against other martial artists when sparring so it makes sense that they resort back to just chain punch and blitz attacks which completely contradicts the concepts of Wing Chun, it also gets them hurt since their entire WC is based on "gambling".
Great video, seeing wing chun applied against other martial arts. I believe that wing chun will rule the octagon one day, when people just realize it. Hope to see a video were they suit up in protective wear and show a real speed demo for wing chun against thai boxers and MMA fighters.
@RedOnChrome we're getting closer and closer to sparring, patience! and yes, that's one of my goals as an instructor, to help train amazing wing chun/Chinese Boxing fighters for competition.
@vasheer26 glad you're enjoying the Tutorial, sadly, to be honest, it's because many wing chun practitioners around the world lack the necessary skills and understanding to utilize it.
@ 3:53 I agree, there are countless grappling techniques that can spawn from many Wing Chun movements, plenty of breaking techniques and take-downs. People who claim that there is no grappling in Wing Chun are obviously not at a very high level.
@ForwardIntent yes, that's why i always say, that wing chun and grappling share almost the exact same concepts & principles because in both arts, closing the gap and maintaining the "touch" is the key to them both.
@sdurgefafd i've done some silat with Pak Victor de Thouars, who is an amazing martial artist, and from what i've experienced, it is very very similar to our "biu jee form"
If you are sparring do you start sometimes to get in, or you always wait for a "mistake" (punch, attack, off center etc...) specialy i'm intrested about your method
aniway I'm very grateful because you have already ansvered lot of my questions that I have been met on my martial arts journey
Very nice video. I'm a beginner at WingChun. In your uploads/blog there's different things like concept/form/movement. What you suggests practicing first? I dont want to hurt myself so your recommend is really appreciated!!
Excellent work man! I'm a beginner, and I learned a lot with your videos, thanks for sharing! keep it up :)
myip05 4 months ago
ITS HUSKY STARCRAFT!!!
TheDrugtopia 5 months ago
i need to learn how to become a grand master, so i can beat on some white pupils, lol!
Nam3l3ssOn3 5 months ago
MMA is not a fight, its a sport, win chun is for FIGHTING. stop bringing up MMA, no one brings up baseball.
CreepX 5 months ago
@CreepX mma is very close to real fighting. and mma matches are the best training you can do for real fighting.
kelly980 3 months ago
How can we defend against very fast chainpunches?
videosdatreta 6 months ago
I would absolutely love to learn from you... where are you at Jin?
yourrmajesty 6 months ago
The points in the end are all too true :)
nabapoisu 8 months ago
Jin your belly looks bigger now.. >.>
sdurgefafd 9 months ago
direct-contact.
This vid, more than the rest, I feel is the best of all of your vids that i've watched, at least up to this point. The prior are all great, but this one serves to bridge the illusion or the concept with the reality and for presenting it thus I just want to say thank you.
25Outcast 9 months ago
Hey Jin. I've watched most of your vids and I must honestly say that they are perhaps the best of all of them on youtube because it's served to supplement what I've learned perhaps mostly because you explain what we feel or are supposed to be feeling. There are great vids of masters that probably know what they are doing, but between what I've watched of your vids and Alan Orr's, or Fightermans I get a stronger sense of what I am supposed to be feeling, along with what I learn through direct-
25Outcast 9 months ago
Mike is bouncing, sifu always kicks my legs when I bounce....
rockloverdude 10 months ago
oh man, my tshirt will have the following quote:
"You have to get the other guy to play our game. What's our game? Chi sao!"
faffofratello 10 months ago
I like it. Good video Jin.
Godsmasher22 10 months ago
Jin! Your videos are an excellent all around analysis for fighting in general, I've been practicing some of your ideas in bjj, and I'm starting to get them to work. Off hand, I can't think of a better video series online that debunks the wrong ideas about how a tool like wing chun is applied. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
pandnh4 11 months ago
@ 20:09 "this is pointless....who does that?" lol. great vid dude....thank you.
mcul2112 11 months ago
u know when i c wing chun, ur right it looks like stand up grabbling but i always called it arm/forearm wrestling glad someone shares my views
AintDoneYet123 11 months ago
Jin, first off, thank you. Your videos are a blessing. I do have one thing about this video. I understand that the point of the video is bridging; however, isn't it also important to know to hit the boxer once we get in instead of just pushing him? If we push him, we either lose both contacts or we stay stuck indefinately. If we get in with sticking, but also strike after getting in, we now have a chance at victory. Do u agree, or am I missing something? Please reply.
obscure323 11 months ago
@obscure323 I think he's going to put all the aspects of seeking the bridge, building the bridge, and striking into another video. So I think we should stay tuned.
papertiger7 11 months ago
Great video as always. I am a student in tae kwon do and kung fu and using the lessons in your videos has benefited myself and my fellow students greatly.
aewilliams76 11 months ago
Its funny I sparred a guy that does all the posing about a week ago in my JKD class. All I did was wait, and he'd just sit there and I could pound on him. Kick punches what have you. That posing is such a bad habit to develop.
TheTaoofJKD 11 months ago
Do you also train Tai Chi with Hawkins?
MrSeriyokuzenyo 11 months ago
Jin, massive question. When your hand is on the "outside" (your palm on his forearm) and he hooks round, you can just hit straight forward. What if you end up blocking on the inside (say with tan sau) and he hits round with a hook? Another way of asking the question is... when doing chi sau and someone is on the outside gate and they hit with a boxers hook, how do you react? if you go straight forward don't you just trade blows?
kelly980 11 months ago
@kelly980 good question, that's why you have to "take over his space" with your body structure when going in, this will jam the hook, then it's all a matter of physics, which is the fastest point from A to B is a straight line.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Thanks for answering. Unfortunately I don't think I have made the question very clear, so i'm not quite sure we're talking about the same thing :( I'm sure its either not important or you will cover it in another video.
kelly980 11 months ago
@kelly980 If I may put forward an answer as well. In WC we have "lat sau jik chung", which basically means, "springy energy". Your body and arms become like compressing/expanding springs when there is bridge contact. If someone is in contact with my arm(bridge) on the outside of it, and they lose contact to hook around it, my spring automatically goes forward (like taking your hand away when compressing a heavy spring, it expands out), and the hit happens. I do not hit, it hits all by itself
Johnnycomelately 11 months ago
@Johnnycomelately Thank you for your response. However, if they lift their elbow and throw a punch all in one move, without any body movement, so more of an 'arm' punch more than a proper hook (so their fist can still move in a straight line, its just their elbow is out wide) it still seems to me that hitting straight forward cannot prevent them also hitting you on the outside while you hit them.
kelly980 11 months ago
@kelly980 First thing, in a real fight you will probably get hit, the question is are u hitting him more than he is hitting you, and how hard are the hits. If someone is using arm power alone, it won't KO u, so it doesn't matter anyways:) 2nd, WC functions in close, to jam up your opponents base/structure, so when they leave center to hit around me, my fist/spring will hit first, since they are moving in a longer route, & it just doesn't hit to KO, it hits to disturb their balance/structure 2.
Johnnycomelately 11 months ago
@kelly980 Whipping hand, while slapping with the asking hand? It might depend on the angles present and the distances?
GnaReffotsirk 1 month ago
Great job Jin!
Keep it up, in no time your gonna be a household name!
gnarlyphotography 11 months ago
@gnarlyphotography sweeeet! =D
chinaboxer 11 months ago
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daskoodaskoo 11 months ago
Thanks for continuing to make these videos, they are great!
kenxlee 11 months ago
@kenxlee no problemo!
chinaboxer 11 months ago
16:15 haha lmao
Divinenite 11 months ago
If you wanna train this, than you should find a boxer and kickboxer and train these things. Cuz the one two and follow up aint good to see whats going to happen when you play chi sao with a boxer.
minasz 11 months ago
@minasz i agree, you should train against many different types of fighters to get different types of feel.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@chinaboxer Why do I need to practice against other martial arts? I know how to play my game, the wing chun game. Attack the centerline of the opponent. Isn't that all the same, no matter what style they may practice?
spidey2112 11 months ago
@spidey2112 yes, but you have to get to "chi sau" range safely, "closing the distance" is a skill you have to acquire by practicing against many different types of fighters.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
as well as being able to stay in "chi sau" range against many different types of fighters.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@chinaboxer Not sure I follow. If they do JKD, TKD, BJJ or whatever, aren't I still doing the same thing? Going into chi sau range so I can attack their center? Why does it matter what they do? If I ask out a girl, what does it matter what their skin color is? A girl is a girl and I'd ask them out the same way. Just the way I see it is all. Not saying my way is the way everyone has to do it.
spidey2112 11 months ago
@spidey2112 yes, that's true, but each different martial arts method has their own "game", by training with them, you learn how to avoid their "game" while getting them to play the "wing chun game".
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@chinaboxer every style of fighting has his advantages for just your body and your style of fighting. There may be things you can use that work for you so that you can create your own style.
walter1990 11 months ago
@spidey2112 not all girls are the same. You may need to use a different way of approach. This is just the same for other martial arts. Also like girls their posture is different just like your body differs from others. Other martial arts give you the ability to create your own style and keep the things that work for you. So great advice from chinaboxer.
walter1990 11 months ago
@minasz When students ask me "What technique do I use against a boxer, kicker, wrestler, etc...", I tell them the best way to learn how to handle these types of fighters with your VT training is to spar and train with these fighters, you will learn their timing, power, distance of execution and so forth, as there is no "magic" technique that can deal with someone as specific as that. In the end it comes down to your ability to perceive your opponents movement & handle the distance & timing.
Johnnycomelately 11 months ago
@Johnnycomelately Yes very true. This makes very much sense as I believe this and many are against my opinion. So im happy to read your posts. Yes there is no art that can make you give you an answer. You have to go find the answer and thats train with different kinds op fighters and styles. Know your weaknesses and work on it. There is no world science on this only being true to yourself. Not lying to yourself.
minasz 11 months ago
This lesson was sick.
realbodizzle 11 months ago
great. jin could make a whole dvd in the end.
720logan 11 months ago
Man these videos are nice, explaining, long, and amazing :DD thanks for uploading this
jaysonr0 11 months ago
You know, I love the way you teach! I would love to be taught by you. But sadly I'm living in Europe. Many thanks for uploading, please keep going, you're awesome!
tsi2568 11 months ago
This might be your best video so far.
mykatharsis 11 months ago
@mykatharsis thanks! but i think what makes it good is the fact that for the most part, everyone understands what's involved (body structure from siu nim tau) and all the concepts required from the past videos.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
i'm currently learning siu nim tao (almost finish) and dan chi. can i practice this drill? looks very2 good drill
sild123 11 months ago
@sild123 Some schools of Wing Chun let's you train several forms before perfecting the former. Other schools have a more high school-inspired curriculum, where you have to pass 1 step before moving on to the next. While the latter option gives you a slower progress in terms of techniques, it may lead to you not "overfilling the tea cup", and beginning new stuff before what you already know, has become second nature to you (muscular memory)
berg89dk 11 months ago
i love the "dont pose" phrase. I feel that is where most WC fails.
One of my instructors always steps on my foot when he closes the range, which i feel is not only very effective but it also hurts and it stops my movement backwards to retreat. What is your opinion Jin?
xycospite 11 months ago
@xycospite if he steps on your foot you are doing something wrong
MostWantedWannaBE 11 months ago
@xycospite I also almost always step on my partners foot but because I am left-footed. They complain that that hurts but there is nothing I can do about that.
G6600 11 months ago
what about Wan Kam Leung? he seems pretty good from the stuff I've seen on youtube
iexcalibui2 11 months ago
Another excellent video Jin. I actually train this way as well, but not often i see others do so. Imo its very important, because so many WC guys dont train to build bridge contact only in chi sao already touching. plus this helps train against other styles outside wing chun. helps a lot if you got buddies who train something else to train with too.nice vid bro :)
smaldor 11 months ago
i love your video ,well keep up the good work by posting more video of wing chun .
AZTECH12533i 11 months ago
jin you are absolutely amazing. i love your videos, you help me develop as a wing chun student so much. I feel as if i lack this kind of training so much!
thank you for your enlightenment
LOLittleHero 11 months ago
I have never seen wing chun taught lke this (following in) Gary Lam teaches differently to this but still works! Good stuff!
Transatlanticism04 11 months ago
@Transatlanticism04 Gary Lam is amazing as well. i often tell people that Gary Lam is a big guy that fights like a little guy and Hawkins Cheung is a little guy that fights like a big guy. =D for those that don't know, Gary Lam is very big and tall for a Chinese man and Hawkins Cheung is about 5ft tall and 110 lbs!
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@Transatlanticism04
That sounds interesting to me.
I'm from Germany and my Wing Chun club first was in the EWTO ( xD ) but later it changed to the system of Gary Lam and they all say that this is a very great difference.
What exactly is the difference between your Wing Chun and Gary Lams Wing Chun?
IwantToLearnWingChun 11 months ago
10/10 an excellent demonstration
stonedpaw 11 months ago
As a side note, not all can train in the more fight orientated arts like MMA/Boxing, due to injuries/disabilities, they have bad backs/shoulders/knees. WC is good for them as it's based around stability and doesn't hurt the body to perform. We learn to accept force thru body/legs, and to give it from that source too, not our arms/shoulders and smaller muscles/joints. Like Jin said, it's an old man's art, old man= not relying solely on superior physical attributes/conditioning, MMA/Boxing does
Johnnycomelately 11 months ago
@Johnnycomelately That's why I like CMA's in general, you can practice them until the day you die. That doesn't apply to MMA or Boxing.
papertiger7 11 months ago
@Johnnycomelately i agree, but unfortunately, the majority of Wing Chun is not taught that way today.
chinaboxer 11 months ago 4
@chinaboxer
What do you mean? Some are teaching it in the wrong way?
IwantToLearnWingChun 11 months ago
@IwantToLearnWingChun meaning that they focus too much on athleticism, such as speed and muscle power to get anything done. which completely contradicts the concepts of wing chun
chinaboxer 11 months ago
appreciate the honest, transparent, informative wing chun! you've probably been asked a million times. but whos your sifu?
wittenhau 11 months ago
@wittenhau Jin's sifu was Hawkins Cheung.
papertiger7 11 months ago
Man you are so amazing :) so cool to see you even do super light sparring if you can even call it that :D Thanks again!
MiniMikeFTW 11 months ago
The important thing is to be honest with what you want out of it. For me I just like the training/teaching aspects, met some good people as well thru my WC experience. I don't have the "fighter" personality, so that is not my thing, I already know my chances of defeating these types is low % in the ring/octagon. WC is effective, but it's hard to learn/understand, one has to study with the right people, and have patients, as there are too many bad methods being taught out there IMO.
Johnnycomelately 11 months ago
@Johnnycomelately tbh, true "fighters" gravitate to those arts because they have an established reputation with competition and sport. And unfortunately, people use sports and competition as a measuring stick for effectiveness, leaving many arts out there (not just Chinese Martial Arts) to be considered a non-fighting art. So the fighters go to where they know they can succeed while all other martial artists (non-"fighters") are left to dominate arts like capoeira and various kungfu arts, etc
iexcalibui2 11 months ago
@iexcalibui2 - Just wanted to say that I'm generalizing in my post, there are some fighters that appreciate what WC and other TCMA have. I agree with your statement, MT/MMA/BOXING all have good reps for creating fighters, they get hit in training, and hit as well. Again it comes down to what you want out of it, some want that, some don't, if you don't, then be realistic in your expectations, and don't think there are magic pills out there that make you effective without the proper work put in.
Johnnycomelately 11 months ago
@Johnnycomelately no I agree with you. Sucks that many arts don't get recognition they deserve because they often get passed up for other arts like MT/BJJ/Boxing/etc
iexcalibui2 11 months ago
I honsestly think WC attracts different types of personalities. True "fighters", those personalities that like to fight, get hit, hit others, etc...train in boxing, MT, MMA, which pits fghter vs fghter . WC attracts a different type, those that don't really like to get hit or have to injure themselves at every training session, non fighters. Like you demo'd in your clip, you can train and not injure your partner, it's useful up to a point. I train WC because I like it, not 4 fighting alone.
Johnnycomelately 11 months ago
so on a more serious note (i've watched the vid around twice now)...I think a lot of these skills, especially building and maintaining a bridge, translate into just about MOST Chinese Martial Arts. All CMAs (as far as I know) have some sort of bridge, so I think this video specifically addresses something that is missing in a majority of CMA training, which is using your structure to build and use your bridge effectively. Great stuff jin
iexcalibui2 11 months ago
@iexcalibui2 yes, now you're getting it, now you understand my pain, now you understand that this isn't just about Wing Chun, now you understand why i created this Tutorial and my website.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
show me one video, anywhere, on the internet, where a Chunner demonstrates their skills against an unwilling partner of another martial arts method, under pressure, and can make it actually look like wing chun and not some slap tastic speed fest of more speed and more muscle, that actually utilizes the wing chun concepts and principles WITHOUT contradicting themselves. if there are amazing Chunners out there that can do it, i really wish they would help the WC community out more.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Chunners preach how good WC is against other styles, but rarely ever prove it by sparring them and then use the excuse that WC is too deadly and that the MMA gloves stop us from using our most deadly skills, this is IMO such a bullcrap excuse. look at Wong Shun Leung, Hawkins Cheung and the few other "rooftop" fighters, did they use that same excuse? hell no! did they eye jab and kick the groin when they fought other fighters of other schools? hell no! did they kick everyone's ass? hell yes!
chinaboxer 11 months ago 31
so why is it that we Chunners hide behind lame excuses to avoid sparring other fighters of other martial arts methods and prove the effectiveness of the WC concepts by competing in the ring or cage?
chinaboxer 11 months ago
it's no wonder why MMA fighters and Grapplers laugh at Wing Chun and i don't blame them one bit, we've become the laughing stock and butt of jokes in the martial arts community, and that is such a sad thing
chinaboxer 11 months ago
okay, i'm done preaching..can you tell that this subject really really pisses me off? ';..;'
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@chinaboxer I feel your pain man lol
papertiger7 11 months ago
@chinaboxer unfortunately, so has the rest of the kungfu community =\
iexcalibui2 11 months ago
@iexcalibui2 yes, that's why it's up to our generation of Chunner's to help each other get a deeper understanding of the Wing Chun concepts, to help each other improve the training method so that we can effectively and efficiently use it against other martial arts methods under pressure, and stop bickering over "lineage" and differences in forms and the silly politics.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@chinaboxer what i dont get is why non of the rooftop fighters ever go MMA or something like that?
lamasingz 10 months ago
@chinaboxer My hands seek holes in the gates. If there is a throat or eye in that hole, it's getting hit, poked, jabbed, or whatever. An interesting question is whether or not friendly sparring begins to limit one's street effectiveness. In other words, are you training for gentleman's Beimo, or for combat?
Obviously chi sau, go sau, etc. are good for you, and we aren't maiming or killing each other every night. A lot of Wing Chun will work with rules, but it's not the natural art, IMO.
1984WakeUp 9 months ago
@chinaboxer I would also like to say that your videos rock. This is one of my favs. Thank you for sharing.
1984WakeUp 9 months ago
@chinaboxer i use mma gloves when i use my wing chun an....there perfect
l2q 7 months ago
jin be getting serious at the end, just mauling and bullying Bryan and Mike lol
iexcalibui2 11 months ago
@iexcalibui2 RAWR..i'm a bully! someone get me on the show "bully beatdown"!! =D
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Bravo. Best Wing Chun video on Youtube. (I very very rarely compliment a Wing Chun video on Youtube). One thing I might add to this exercise is more ideas on how to finish off an opponent once you're in, especially for weaker people (like women).
kelly980 11 months ago
@kelly980 slowly but surely, we'll get more and more into sparring concepts and finishes!! -_o
chinaboxer 11 months ago
great drill Jin!
very realistic.
I would think that a senior and a junior should be working together on this.
I would be concerned seeing two new students trying this...
superhumansight 11 months ago
@superhumansight i agree, that's why i wouldn't let my students do any type of sparring drills or even the chum kiu form until a year and a half of siu nim tau first. what i think many people don't understand is that what you see on video is what my students practiced that day, so just like everyone, it's the first time they've done the drills as well.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@chinaboxer on the flip side, i see WC schools that don't even understand the forms, learn all 3 in 6 months then race through them during practice, have very weak structures, and put on safety equipment and then spar. it becomes nothing but watered down kickboxing IMO and looks like a mess. it also builds tons of bad habits. The instructors "preach" the concepts and principles of WC but then completely contradict themselves.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Good video, I really like the last 10mins, where you talk about maintaining the bridge, which IMO is the hardest skill, as the facing/structure/footwork/balance all have to be in place combined with feeling. And I'm in total agreement, most all of the WC vids you see on utube suck big time, their using their WC like karate or boxing, which makes no sense since the set up and delivery of the tools in WC is so different from those other striking arts.
Johnnycomelately 11 months ago
@Johnnycomelately i agree 100%, that's why "building the structure" by having a deep understanding of siu nim tau is THE most important part of wing chun and something that you must practice to improve every day.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
and most WC practitioners can't maintain the bridge under pressure against other martial artists when sparring so it makes sense that they resort back to just chain punch and blitz attacks which completely contradicts the concepts of Wing Chun, it also gets them hurt since their entire WC is based on "gambling".
chinaboxer 11 months ago
man, I dont know how old you are (you look pretty young) but you drop some serious knowledge. much thanks jin!
iexcalibui2 11 months ago
@iexcalibui2 thanks! i <3 you! =D
chinaboxer 11 months ago
They say that in WC you don't step back unless necessary.
That you must go forward when the opponent goes forward.
Is this true ?
sometimes I find it better to step back you know :/...
kirecorp 11 months ago
@kirecorp you can step any direction you want as long as you maintain the "contact" and correct pressure or what i call "Indiana Jones".
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Thanks a lot, your video not only is helpful but it's also very motivating!
谢谢！
lucaddragon 11 months ago
@lucaddragon you're welcome! =D
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Great video, seeing wing chun applied against other martial arts. I believe that wing chun will rule the octagon one day, when people just realize it. Hope to see a video were they suit up in protective wear and show a real speed demo for wing chun against thai boxers and MMA fighters.
RedOnChrome 11 months ago
@RedOnChrome we're getting closer and closer to sparring, patience! and yes, that's one of my goals as an instructor, to help train amazing wing chun/Chinese Boxing fighters for competition.
chinaboxer 11 months ago 13
Awesome detailed instructions bro. Keep up the good work.
INCENSEMASTER 11 months ago
@INCENSEMASTER thanks!
chinaboxer 11 months ago
To me, this has been the best and most practical application of Wing Chun against boxers that I have found on the net. Thank you Jin.
vasheer26 11 months ago
@vasheer26 glad you're enjoying the Tutorial, sadly, to be honest, it's because many wing chun practitioners around the world lack the necessary skills and understanding to utilize it.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@ 3:53 I agree, there are countless grappling techniques that can spawn from many Wing Chun movements, plenty of breaking techniques and take-downs. People who claim that there is no grappling in Wing Chun are obviously not at a very high level.
ForwardIntent 11 months ago
@ForwardIntent yes, that's why i always say, that wing chun and grappling share almost the exact same concepts & principles because in both arts, closing the gap and maintaining the "touch" is the key to them both.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
hey Jin have you heard of pencak silat? it's handwork is like wing chun/kali but it has kicks,weaponry , locks , kicks and takedowns
sdurgefafd 11 months ago
@sdurgefafd i've done some silat with Pak Victor de Thouars, who is an amazing martial artist, and from what i've experienced, it is very very similar to our "biu jee form"
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Bryan and Brian? hahaha
luftwaffe789456123 11 months ago
@luftwaffe789456123 =D
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Great video i learned a lot thanx!!
dogooda12 11 months ago
@dogooda12 no problemo!
chinaboxer 11 months ago
And your analogy about stand up grapling, that is my opinion too since I saw tsui sheung tin, alan orr, and your videos.... very nice ;)
Thetraveller04 11 months ago
If you are sparring do you start sometimes to get in, or you always wait for a "mistake" (punch, attack, off center etc...) specialy i'm intrested about your method
aniway I'm very grateful because you have already ansvered lot of my questions that I have been met on my martial arts journey
Thetraveller04 11 months ago
@Thetraveller04 this depends on each individuals athletic abilities, just as in any sport, there will be passive, counter or aggressive types.
chinaboxer 11 months ago
Very nice video. I'm a beginner at WingChun. In your uploads/blog there's different things like concept/form/movement. What you suggests practicing first? I dont want to hurt myself so your recommend is really appreciated!!
vampiretqa 11 months ago
@vampiretqa i get this question alot, you'll find the answer to your question in the FAQ section of my website at "thechinaboxer(dot)com"
chinaboxer 11 months ago
@chinaboxer Thanks. Very informative FAQ :)
vampiretqa 11 months ago