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  • DAMN I MISS HOME

  • I was born and raised on Dearborn st. in Saginaw. This video breaks my heart but know this. There are some beautiful places AND beautiful people in Saginaw. Nothin but Love for ALL the people still tryin' to get it right in Saginaw!!!

  • I grew up on Brockway just off M46. Live.in Texas now, but still love Home. Why don't you show the west side?

  • Murda Mitten.

  • Saginaw Will always be my stomping grounds...hey if you can live in Saginaw you pretty much could live any where and I'm proud of that. It's the Nasty but hey we're working on that!

  • Saginaw Will always be my stomping grounds...hey if you can live in Saginaw you pretty much could live any where and I'm proud of that.

  • i kno im late but i liv in saginaw on the east side. yeah its parts that look like this everywhere in the world. this vid makes it look lik poor and dirty and we are not. there shud be an update on saginaw and c how its boomin!! I REP SAGINAW AND MI HOOD! those houses are abandin .. the vid didnt show much of the city as u can see it kept showin a few main parts wow this is how ppl look at us!!

  • this video only shows the bad parts, there are some nicer parts in saginaw although the majority is similair to this video. very nicely put together though, props to you.

  • i thik ya did a good job putting the reality of what saginaw has become on film.. a little grainy, but i recognize 90% of what you shot for this. And this IS what the city is like. plain and simple... and guess what..?..? The township is only 10 years behind this... Its called urban blight, and it spreads like cancer.

  • saginaw aint as bad as u make this video look....u only went in the ghetto....get real

  • Fuck all yall crack smokin fuck stains!!!!!! Go get a buncha crack addicted babies & pawn em off on my family!!!!! Seems to run in yo crack smokin blood fo sho bitch stain fucktards!!!!!!!

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  • I love Saginaw. This video does only show the bad parts though, but Saginaw is mainly the bad parts now.

  • almost every city has an area like this, what about the good parts of saginaw did you go there.. This city did depend on a major industry, like most cities do, when it was gone then the city went with it, shit happens

  • this is beautiful, can you re-post this with Adele's Hometown Glory Playing in the background??

  • its ironically edited perfectly to this video, you should play it while the song plays, you'd love it.

  • this is beautiful, is there any way you can re-post this to the music of Adele's Hometown Glory???

  • I am honestly embarrassed to say I live on the outskirts of Saginaw.

  • “This life seems to the flaking off the walls,” says Damon, “a cluster text and all the signs, all they do is deteriorate and peel away. The lawns have not been cut but the trains keep on running. The houses look like they have been exploded and then crudely stuck together again, the whole Street looks like some perverted modern art project and yet it is just time’s natural progression, on places that should be maintained but can no longer be cared.

  • More angry letters forming patterns on walls, they are feel like crusty stitches that should have been removed years ago.”

  • There was purpose to the video, it wasn't to just show saginaw. Like the dude in comments said, it showed how one city relied too heavily on one industry.

  • Not all of Saginaw is like this guys, but if you live here, your probably use to seeing it...admit it.......unlessssss, you refuse to cross out of the township lol..but shit..dont worry township will be like this soon enough

  • Respond to this video... is he tryin to make us look bad or what

  • @MrMultimoney14 the people that live in saginaw made it look bad...

    Its sad

    Go there alot, I love how someone can have a expensive car but when you look at there house or there lawn it looks like this

  • Man, I love Saginaw. Great vid! Another one of Michigan's cities that relied too heavily on one industry.. Although there is a prosperous side to the city as well..

  • sup dude, i live in mt pleasant, ru from detroit?

  • welcome to the gutta bitch

  • i love saginaw, my home town

  • WHAT THE FUCK, this isn't even close to what all of Saginaw is. Your a fucking dumb ass for only recording the city of Saginaw. All those broken down places and condemned houses are in the city. You should of recorded the township of Saginaw, including the gulf side, the saw mills, and everything else but the shitty parts of Saginaw. BTW, use a better camera next time, Not some shitty as quality one if your going to degrade Saginaw and write "a gritty industrial city".

  • @xsurgeonxaugsx the township is retarted and preppy the city is were its at. sagnasty CITY fo life

  • WOW!!!

    I thought i was watching 28 weeks later!!!LOL

    1 word, demons!!!LOL

  • What is wrong in America that even your small towns are over run by slums and you have so much crime??? Crap Windsor Canada overlooks Detroit and has hardly a crime rate at all and Detroit is over run with drive by shootings...

  • psh are you guys serious?? haha those are the good parts of town, thats where i feel safe when i aint got no beef you know

  • i live around and have been here woot

  • well wut side of town r u on?

  • thats not nice to say about saginaw its not even that bad

  • It is best not to be offensive towards Saginaw. This is only the East side and bad parts. Got to the West and Township areas, before judging our home badly. Thank you Immature people.

  • I came here after I got married and this is one raggedy tore up town. I thought the major city just south of here was boring. This place is like the back woods of the South. Nothing and people think Saginaw Township is nice...well Grand Blanc and Fenton are much nicer.

  • You know whats sad is I recognize 90% of these places as places we have to visit all the time for my summer job. All I have to say is the person who shot the video must have some guts going into some of those neighbor hoods around 1st and 2nd street.

  • saginaw has the third highest murder rate per capita... sadly my city is dieing... and i dont see much hope. most of our young brillant minds embrace the negitivity of the streets doomed to a life of welfare an poverty, violence and drug abuse... its one big cycle. And the saddest part about it is this city is full of talentted kids who have no guidence what so ever. Saginaw is a product of the world at large. i feel and it may hold no truth but for evey hollywood, theres a saginaw somwhere.

  • Is this place the Ghetto. I was born there and then taken away at birth. Looks sad

  • we need to set the other side of the bridge on fire and throw a party full of free bbq ribs and fried chicken on ojibwa island. then fill the water with sharks and tear down the bridge from the island to the mainland. no more problems!!!! saginaw just sucks.....

  • sunny side

    fuckk nutty

  • Raise the tax cap and maybe there would be more money for police and fire, more money to fix roads, more money to rehabiltate vacant structures, more money to attract business, etc. People just dont understand. They complain and wait for others to do the dirty. Step up!

  • Man I thank GOD i don't live there anymore..

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  • I think I called this "Saginaw," not "Saginaw Township." And if you think your schools are the best around, I'd suggest traveling a bit more.

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  • Did the township's schools lack funding for anger management? I think this video is bothering you too much. It's just a video I shot while living on the east side of Saginaw. But somehow that prompted you to say "Fuck you dude." Relax, man.

  • who does this just capture the bad of where i live? it all seems like it's just to show us all that saginaw is nothing but a run down place, like a horde of zombies just came in and took us all out. next time capture all of saginaw and not just the abandoned and trashed.

  • LOOKS LIKE GARY IN

  • LOOKS LIKE GARY, IN

  • I droped out of school because i had to get money or not eat ya dig. Saginaw is a ghost town. Wait til it get to where they kill all you rich mutha f--kers to survive.

  • Interesting video. I'm sure not all of Saginaw looks this bad. I used to live there when I was a kid in the 50's. On Warren St. and went to Martha Longstreet School. Is the school still there? I also lived on a street called Fitchu, but I heard an expressway gutted that area.

    We used to hang out on Potter St, which was the black community(I guess), but it wasn't bad..lots of thriving businesses owned by blacks. I guess like most 'rustbelt' cities, industries left, things happen....

  • 100 Miles from Detroit? I've been to Detroit once

    Does this mean Michigan is shitty for 100 Miles around Detroit??

  • hey look at me iam rich i live in the saw mill pff. go out side and look. i bet the house next door is for sale.. yours is next!

  • hay i live kinda close to tht beans building place lmao

    yea i culd see tht building on the 4th of july

  • Ok so you what about all the other parts of saginaw, not just the hood parts?

    I live in saginaw and live in a half million dollar home, trust me guys saginaw is not just what you see in this video...

  • lmao. you spoiled bitch. they made this video to show tha city of SAGINAW! not tha township. You kno where people struggle to live? You wouldn't kno much bout that would you. Obviously not since you HAD to mention "I live in a half million dollar home." No...your parents live there rich boy. You wouldn't last a day in half these niggas shoes.

  • No, Actually I own my house. Because I wasn't a idiot and drop out of school like all the people who "struggle to live"

    I live in the city of Saginaw By the way, not the TWP.

    Like I said, there are good parts of Saginaw City.

  • @krazyker1 I worked for $4.40 an hour full-time while in high school. Try that toughguy. You wouldn't survive one fukin' day little boy.

  • lol you live in the township

  • nothing is wrong with the township in saginaw the township is the best place to live

  • yes,it is! that's why i moved my kids out here so they can sleep good at night. they can play in their yard safe without an bullet passing by them,or getting hit with one. we all need to pray for saginaw because it is not safe any more!

  • thats not the hood part thats are down town everything has closed in the down town

  • Hey, some parts kinda looks like Pripyat LOL!

  • the comment below by dmharvey79 is right everyone sucks ass at spelling but me ;)

  • most parts of the east side is bad. like the northeast, east, and southeast parts. its also bad on the northwest too. carlton is bad. saginaw township near the city borders is getting bad also the dar out township is ok

  • you should do places like pontiac, and especially flint, its the 3rd worst city to live in, in the nation do to violent crimes including murder, gangs, and poverty. Also you should check out the metro area cities of detroit, like inkster, romulus, wayne, and all those, except there mostly jus the life style of ghetto and there homes are all trashy, not to much of the abandonment but there still is, especially inkster, jus sayin those would be some cool ideas,

  • excellent video you did a awesome job on maginfying the negative parts of Saginaw which people truley need to see

  • its nothing good about saginaw i live there what you see on that vid is what it is

  • not true. I live in Saginaw and it is not all bad. I live on the good side so i can't say much but i've been living here my whole life and it is not all that bad.

  • Wh0 EVER MADE THIS MADE IT L00K REAL SAD ND THE MUSIC DIDNT HELP ii LIVE IN SAGINAW!

    ND M0ST 0F THE PPL D0NT SUCK endlessruin2009 Y00h W0ULD HAVE T0 BE HERE T0 KN0!

  • saginaw blows ass

  • I too have called Saginaw home at one point in my life. It is in bad bad shape..... They are no different than any northern town in the US that was dependant on the industrial industry (Flint (Mi), Dayton (Oh) Norwood (Oh), and the list goes on. This town will rise again.

    RSAF!

    "Know That"

  • saginaw sucks im glad i dont live there the mall sucks. the people suck. the food sucks. the drugs suck. the roads suck. im not lying ive been there i live in bay city. sure bay city sucks but not as bad as much as saginaw

  • Man I luv SAginaw...aka Sagnasti...da sag...da naw...I was born Nd Raised in da nasty...I lived der for bout 17 years...I m18 jus Moved to NC... I miss Saginaw alot doe...I dnt miss da Negative stuff or people doe... erry city has tha gud nd bad to it Saginaw has its down times....but its a nice place..minus da negative stuff... dnt think da person who made dis was dumb dere jus showin da way nd life nd Saginaw....Gotta see da bad in stuff sumtimes...hope 2 cu soon Sag...4 now Im chillin in NC

  • Doesn't look like the Saginaw school system is going to be producing any national spelling bee winners in the future, hah. Sad...

  • yea dat is sad....real sad...But if u referin to me Keep ya comments ta ya self....Cuz Imma Write how nd say ha I feel regardless of wut u think...but wen I was in Da "Naw" I took 2nd Place n 4 Consecutive Spellin Bees...There for I did my share in Saginaw.....MzDeeDee....duhh Bytch

  • my hometown saginaw michigan, im familiar with all of these places..im currently attending ARTHUR HILL HIGH SCHOOL. I lived on basically everyside of town except for the east sid.(NO DISRESPECT)

  • I Attend the Hill too

    I know these places to...

    i live on the North Side.

  • Its so funny to me how people constantly focus on the negative things..yes Saginaw does have its problems...but so does every other city in the entire United States..seriously if you are going to make a video about Saginaw why not go look at the masions! There are lots of mansions in Saginaw as big as the ones in any other city..so please the next time you want to make a little video, do some research first.

  • I agree with that but ya'll gotta also realize that thats the township. every where you go as long as you are on tha outskirts of tha city there is always more money. its completely different. They dont come ova here and we dont go ova there. thats how it is. from muh area to ova there its at least a 20-25 minute drive.

  • yea thats right show the bad parts but don't show the good parts (like shs band ftw)

  • I love it...It's home to me, where I was raised..... I just wish there was more work there, would still be home til this day

  • kinda cheap how you didnt film the old train station that would have been a rich shot

  • shut ur noise hole! saginaw iz awesome =} woohoo go saginaw

  • Hm... The ugly reality of Saginaw Indeed. I was born and raised on the Eastside, Saginaw High Graduate of 08'. Alot of footage in this video are very very familiar to me, near my house actually. This chaotic disturbing barren wasteland is in fact Saginaw unfortunately... So what about the townships? Yeah, it's nice but who can afford a living there? Don't mean crap compared to this. This is the true horror that is Saginaw. But this is my home and it always will be. But don't live here. =(

  • This video shows only the depressed areas of the city. It's unfortunate that the video doesn't show any of the recent improvements. I've worked in the city for the last 13 years and I can see the good and the bad.

  • Saginaw, hitchhiking town on the road to America. The students familiar with shoe gazing pedestrians wretchedly waddling tatty streets, checkout receipts fading barcodes whipping with swaning litter at despondent dustbins. Anti-Semitic tags on dangerous walls, moss dashed silos retired, empty; an anarchist sign, facades transmitting anger statements in illiterate scrawls of paint blood. Intersections of old geometries forecast by towns planners softly peeling, as an old photo browns with time.

  • this is my hometown i miss it so much livin that strugle is what made me today but i wish i could do something to chang it besides make it a bad enviroment for my people but i like this video

  • Wow it has gotten bad there...and I think one of the houses shown I used to live in years and years ago...

  • Hey, they should have shown downtown. Last I was there, all the street corners have blinking yellow lights. They don't even bother to change from red to green. It's a shame, because in the '60s, when I hung out there all the time, downtown was a busy place! Now, it's a ghost town.

    Bay City, just a few miles away, has 100% occupancy! What'd they do different?

  • It's true that Saginaw has some nice areas. I live in Saginaw Township and it's lovely. That being said, the City of Saginaw is a distressed, economically depressed area. What does it say about us when we think the problems in the city don't matter because, "hey, at least my part of town is nice?" I want all of Saginaw to be a place to be proud of, not just the 'burbs. This footage is accurate, and though it doesn't represent all of Saginaw, we can't just pretend that it isn't real.

  • yeah moved to saginaw township too! (im 14)

    this video does show some bad areas but sadly my hometown Detroit is doing alot worst.

  • It's nice that you only showed the BAD points in Saginaw, are you that negative that you can't see the good and the bad. It's obvious that you have either lost a loved one or was rejected in some way from this city. A GOOD person can see the good and bad of something, forgive me for being JUDGMENTAL of your video. You could have shown atleast one church that shows God is aware of every good and bad situation.

  • just kidding

    saginaw is not all that bad

    but their is gangviolence and alot of people have died

  • EASTSIDE

  • yeah, i live in saginaw!

  • Born On Thee Eastside Of Sagnasty On The Corner Of Atwater St. And Soth Park.!

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  • arthur hill sux! a lot of 9th graders think their the stuff one day they'll end up and get their ass beat to a pulp!

  • theres alot of racists here to my teacher is racist and sometimes i get mad fun of because im white but i dont give a shit

  • it hasent been that bad latley and yes true the township and eeastside are like other planets theres snoody people in the township and the inner city theres gang violence and shootings last summer we got in it with our neighbors and shots was fired

  • I was born in Saginaw back in 1986, lived there off and on and now I'm in Ohio due to my father working at GM, and I must say from when I was a child living on the eastside ghetto to being a teenager young adult living on George St. in the township, they are two different worlds. But every city (St. Louis, Cleveland, Detroit, Youngstown, Ohio) is like Saginaw because it was affected by the rustbelt. So I wish people would not give the city a bad rap when the rest of the midwest is similar.

  • I'm so sorry. What a state of being. I know every square inch of this town and it makes me sad to see the next generation being brought up in such squaller.

  • its segregated by the bridges and the the blocks are zoned crazy ugly. they dont call it SAGNICE for a reason cuz its DA NASTY all day!!

  • it changes ALOT when you travel from township to city, then to the hood.. and it changes from nice to shitty very fast.

  • i was born and raised on the SUNNYSIDE of the nasty on the corner of HESS and OWEN aint no joke. you lil rich kids in the sawmill go to ASHTARS next time you need some brew. aint no joke especialy if your white aint to many around these days. i left ten years ago when i was 17! HAPPY TO BE OUT THE HOOD! RIP MILLIONAIRE!! WHAT UP DOE TO THE OLD HOOD?

  • extremely depressing.....i'm from saginaw az well. most of family left this dreadful place.....but i lived on the northside in a pretty decent area in my opinion.

  • once upon a time saginaw was the city to be in, late 70's pfunk landed the mothership ther,natile cole hung out,ray parker jr.radio.bootsy.man i remember kids playing every where,riding bikes.i was born there grew up on 27th and cherry,left in 87 and wont be back(crack killed saginaw-hip hop era destroyed it) talented people in saginaw-just never could get out(BiG DEMON over shadowing that city).

  • whoever made this video is dumb!

    Saginaw is a great city, you did a great job making it look worse than it is!

  • WTF this showed up on my "Videos Near You" section and it's about a different Saginaw in MI lol!

  • This is the exact reason why I moved. Saginaw is a death trap.I was born and raised there so dont reply me with no stupid ass comments. Stay if you want I chose to give my children the opportunity of not being shot in the head while lying in their beds at night.

  • Actually, it's quite nice where I live. Saginaw Township, in the newly built upscale Sawmill neighborhood.

    Although, I can honestly say that I've never been through Saginaw City.

  • I work for the police dept. random crime is not a problem as much as thug on thung violence. Saginaw's rep is much worst than it's reality

  • Looks like they need to cut the grass on 4th and Kirk.

  • hey i saw vets park / i stay right down the street

  • great vid man.

    I like Saginaw n all, just shit like the stuff on the video, i really dislike.

  • I moved from the eastside(Cornelias & Martha) 2 B.V.(the B streets). My father was trying 2 get his kids away from that enviroment. But now B.V. is just as unsafe as the eastside, southside & northside. And the westside is just like B.V. So my question is how far away are people going 2 move before u realize u can't run from your problems. What's happened 2 saginaw is a problem for the whole community.And until we unite(black,white mexican, etc.) as a community and address the problem it will

  • Shame on you! This is a bias view. All you are showing is the East and South East Sides of Saginaw! There are some very nice areas in Saginaw yet. Most of what is in this video has been removed, including the old Fort Saginaw mall, which is being rebuilt!

  • And the homicide rate is worse than City of Detroit!

  • Homicide rate per population 57000 people 23 homicides Detroit City 872000 344 homicides year 2008.

  • unfortunatly this is a lot of saginaw. Abandoned burned down houses. Ghetto culture and ridiculous. The crime is insane. we had a break in attempt last night at my house. they wonder why we flee from this city when the police do nothing to help people out.

  • Oh so its not just me then? Cops are worthless in Saginaw!

  • the best thing about this video, in my opinion, is that some people from Saginaw will hear Eric Satie. That is the education people of Saginaw need - humanity.

  • im getting out soon.

  • I was born here, but I live in saint paul,mn now...

  • but im on the west side now never forget where im from.

  • im still here on 11th and cherry.

  • Music Written By = Eric Sate

  • I'm hoping my father can sell the house. I will cherish my memories of Saginaw...But, I don't think I'm ever going to return!

  • I have a love hate relationship with Saginaw. I'm from Chicago but spent plenty of summers up there. As a child I enjoyed visiting my grandparents, uncle, and cousins. I loved the fact that people are always friendly...You don't really see much of that in Chicago. I still have a few relatives up there. My family is from Buena Vista and lived on 25th and Perkins. I went up there this past summer and it was horrible. Our family house has been destroyed by vandals.

  • This is where i grew up!!East side, 20th and annesly. Ill never go back. I hate that my family and friends still live there.

  • haha ...right up in my hood ...so glad i moved out 2 tha a

  • 1:49 that house is right behind mines.

  • Mannn, I live in da nasty and its bad but not as bad as it seems...i stayed there my whole life and the only thing about it is that you just have to watch who you hang around

  • really just on the east side? i saw alot of places i hang out all the time and im all about the west side

  • home sweet home.

    but really, you just picked out the worst looking spots and clumped it all together. your on the east side. The township is really nice and barely any shootings.

  • All of Saginaw aint like that!!! I got family on Bond St. and that shit look like a suburb to me.

  • really isnt that bad...i live in saginaw, i think that the brown screen really makes it look shity. You could put that anywhere with the music in the background and it would look creepy.

  • Jesus christ I cant believe I used to live there. I live in Hemlock now, and still go downtown all the time. Everythings gone to hell. I just got jumped down on hamilton street. Saginaw RIP

  • COME FIND OUT BITCH!!!!

  • Saginaw is straight-up 'hood...

  • fuck the only parts in saginaw that arent like that is hemlock, reese, st. charles, hicktowns... but downtown saginaw, bv, all that shit... fuck its bad.

  • Good Job You video just shows everything Trigga Tre' Video Saginaw MI Says. We would love to work with you and shoot or use footage for new video.

  • LOL this video is so real. Thats why I played it smart and got out. Now im making 25 an hour and in college instead of these losers working 14 an hour at gm or delphi haha yeaaaaa!!!

  • saginaw is not all bad but we do have some hard spots

  • who ever maid this trying to act like saginaw is this bad it dont look like this 4real it changed up a bit

  • This video is fine by me its not all of saginaw but look what its becoming. We are just lettin it fall apart. Most off saginaw is starting to look like this. The crime in this city is crazy. people gettin shot because they live on the other side of court, or across the bridge, if u were blue or red.

  • too bad saginaw doesnt appreciate the historic parts of their city. its never too late to clean that mess up and restore those old houses to their original beauty. however it takes effort.. food stamps anyone?

  • hahah; not all of saginaw is like that.

  • Areas around Saginaw Valley is actually quite safe,even the strip Deja Vu is quite safe. Saginaw Valley is helping the community grow and jobs are on the rise.The most dangerous thing I encountered in Saginaw were Slackers and Drunken college kids and thats about it.

  • haha bitch, you only taped the bad part, not all of saginaw is like that

  • I grew up in Sag. There are still people there that care. If people on the eastside want changes, start small.If you rent keep your places clean and fixed up.You may not own it but it's yours while you're living in it.If you have a vacant lot next to you, mow the grass. Go to these neighborhood meetings and see what you can do to help make a difference. Make sure you care enough about your kids to keep their buts out of the streets. Stress EDUCATION. Go to church. Too bad I don't have more room.

  • whoever posted this is a definently gay and has no freinds i live in saginaw and that isnt anything like where i live assbag

  • Everyone who say saginaw is not that bad yall crazy what side do you stay on... Wait hold up when was the last time you was here... O ok i get it you stay where the grass is green huh...

  • Saignaw might not be the greatest place in the world but it isnt shit like that.I have lived here all my life and i have never ever seen bullshit like that!I dont know where that is but it isnt anywhere near saginaw.Get your shit right.

  • Saginaw Michigan equals MI's Basketball City

  • HOLD ON AINT NUTTIN WRONG WIT FUKIN SAGINAW CUZ I LIV3 TH3R3 AND BABY WE DO IT BIG NIGGA JUS A LOT OV CRACK H3ADz

  • dude u video taped the ghetto saginaw is alot better. u fag

  • i grew up in the early 80s in Saginaw down by Court St. I have moved away but still consider it my home. Whenever i go back, alot has changed: crime,empty houses,dirty streets. But it is still my home. I miss the old days. That video is just negative. There is still alot of good to show about the town.

  • put that in your video

  • In my opinion, Saginaw is the best city in Michigan. There are many places to fish, like 10 parks and there are no shootings in the parks and its not a gritty industrial city, we have an awesome hockey team called the "Saginaw Spirit" and the White Pine Middle school won an award called "schools to watch". Only a hand full of schools got that award. We also have a wrestling team with a perfert season. Also its not full just ethnicity, it is a diverse city. saginaw high won many district awards

  • i live in saginaw too it is not bad at all

  • ok yeah i live in saginaw and really its not that bad this video juss made it look bad there really is some nice areas in saginaw also black people didn't mess saginaw up its just a new generation and people don't know how to act but yeah don't judge saginaw if you never been here because trust me its not all what you think!

  • well said. negativity doesn't do anything good for the city. we need to start embracing the positives.

  • This is the Saginaw I saw when I went there to visit my Dad's family. He grew up on the East side. It was sad going back with him because I could see the potential in the area. The reason why Saginaw fell apart was because of racism by whites, and economic exploitation by Dow and GM. Whites in the suburbs could move downtown and start spending money and create a shared community...but racism and pessimism won't let that happen. Blacks are not the problem...no jobs and backward thinking are.

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