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  • Have You ever heard Jonas Kaufmann?

  • Very beautifull!!! but no one can match Vickers on Siegmund

  • I have to agree with Kindin. I am a professional opera singer living in Germany since 2003. "Heldens" is not a word. Perhaps it is a proper noun used as someone's surname, but what has that to do with the subject at hand? In English, one says "Heldentenors" to denote the plural, but not "Heldens".

    And, why is it not possible to have a debate without being insulting?

  • Click to visit the London Symphony Orchestra’s channel and watch Simon O’Neill tell the synopsis of Verdi’s Otello for his new recording singing the title role alongside Gerald Finley and Anne Schwanewilms.

  • Ich habe Simon O'Neill im Freischützen gehört (Theater an der Wien): unerhört - was für eine wunderbare Stimme!!! Grossartig. / Danke für dieses Video.

  • good.. but no Helden

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  • @sobatinyela

    Was für eine schwachsinnige Bemerkung!

  • @kindin10

    obviously you've never heard Vickers or Melchior or Lorenz, hunh? Listen to the true heldens, THEN comment "mein freund".

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  • @kindin10

    In ENGLISH, it is heldens.

    And Vickers doesn't sing any more.. but are you saying that because they're dead or retired we can't appreciate their greatness?

    And you've heard all the non-Germans in the world who sing Wagner and can say definitively that O'NEILL is the best??? That's crazy talk.. come to New York.

    O'Neill is great but he's like Heppner.. a big lyric singing helden rep.. listen to the low notes in this piece.. his voice has no depth.

  • @sobatinyela

    "heldens" ist definitiv in keiner Sprache der Welt ein existierendes Wort^^

    Kein Sachkundiger würde sich trauen einen solch dilettantischen Ausdruck zu verwenden.

  • @kindin10

    stuck on one word?  I assume that's because you obviously realize that you have no idea what you're talking about, so you try to NOT look stupid by changing the debate?

    That's fine.. you can look stupid and ignorant on language too.

    "Heldens" is a surname in English-speaking countries and the Netherlands as well.. a simple internet search could have saved you the embarassment of looking like a fool. It is also a plural used in the opera world in reference to singers of that fach.

  • @sobatinyela

    Weder ins Englische noch ins Niederländische wird das Wort "Held" mit "heldens" übersetzt. Auch ist mir kein Heldentenor bekannt der sich je selbst in einem Interview als "heldens" bezeichnet hat.

    Wie kann man es sich nur herausnehmen zu behaupten, der Gesang von Simon O'Neill (einer der besten Heldentenöre userer Zeit) hätte keine Tiefe wenn man nicht einmal das Wort Heldentenor kennt?

  • @kindin10

    Please man. I just told you Heldens is a surname.. look it up. And also I've had conversations where "Heldens" has been used as a plural with other singers. Whether you've heard it in an "interview" or not is irrelevant. I've heard it.

    I'm not the only person who thinks O'Neill's voice is too light for a heldentenor, so your opinion is inconsequential. You have nothing and you're reaching.

    And being one of the most well-known does NOT make one one of the best.

  • @sobatinyela

    Einen Familiennamen als Adjektiv zu verwenden macht keinen Sinn.

    Eher ist es unwichtig, dass Du es von irgendeinem Unsachkundigen gehört hast.

    Niemand kann ein erfolgreicher Wagnerinterpret werden ohne die deutsche Ausprache zu beherrschen. Diese Voraussetzung erfüllt O'Neill perfekt. Desweiteren ist er in der Lage das Ganze auch im Kontext so wiederzugeben, dass es sich nach einem natürlichen Umgang mit der Sprache anhört.

    Freilich kann man dies als Fremder nicht hören.

  • @kindin10

    It is irrelevant whether it makes sense to you or not.

    His German is very good.. I'm not a native speaker and I understand every word, so I imagine that for you, his diction is a joy.

    Nonetheless, I NEVER mentioned that. You did, in an attempt to take the debate away from my original statement. His voice is too light. ESPECIALLY for Walkure.

    Wagner himself called the tenor voice necessary for his operas a Tenorbariton. Mr. O'Neill, while he is good, is definitely not that.

  • Bloomin' marvellous! O'Neill is one of the best there is today.

  • immer noch und wieder großartig

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